I started at 14mg of subs 8 months ago. Went down 2mg every 6 weeks and after 8 months was able to get down to 1mg. Stayed at 1mg for 2 weeks then went down to .5mg. Continued at .5 for about 10 days then stopped all together. That was 8 days ago.... first three days for me were the hardest. Felt very tired(lethargic), mild muscle soreness, mild restlessness and difficulty sleeping, mild on and off headaches, was sneezing and yawning 50 times a day, using the toilet(#2) 10 times a day, also had trouble focusing. On day 4 the symptoms reduced slightly(20%). Day 5, 30% reduction in symptoms compared to 1st three days. Day 6 my energy levels stared to return, was able to get full night sleep and the physical symptoms were 60% less than 1st three days. On day 7 I woke in the morning feeling relatively good. It was a very good feeling. throughout that day I only felt 20% of the severity of symptoms from 1st three days. Today, day 9, I'm feeling great most symptoms have subsided only issue is I'm feeling a bit of low energy still. Psychologically I did not experience any depression but did feel some anxiety the 1st 3-4 days. Ive never really suffered from depression or chronic anxiety in my life. I know my psychological fortitude helped me avoid the depression and anxiety and everyone is different. Some people may feel much worse with the combination of physical symptoms and psychological symptoms. Personally I felt like the anxiety for the 1st 4 days was nearly as uncomfortable as the physical symptoms. Fortunately it didn't last very long. The stress from getting off subs wasn't that difficult compared to the many other hardships Ive experienced. I'd rather go through this again than be dumped by another girlfriend. Perspective is important my friends. In conclusion, YOU CAN DO IT!!! JUST DO IT!! and IT WILL SET YOU FREE!! Strongly recommend getting down to .5mg. Five weeks ago I tried jumping off at 2mg, made to day 3 caved and jumped back on. Withdrawal symptoms at 2mg are 3 times stronger compared to.5mg. Get yourself down to .5mg or less and stay at that dose for 2 weeks, and then kiss it goodbye. Hope this helps someone.
Thats why you had withdrawl. You tapered too fast. I lowered my dose by .10 every 2 months. After 12 months i was taking .15 for 8 weeks and stopped with 0 withdrawl. The more time you take the more your body adjusts
Hey man I’m on 16 mg for the past 2 in half years I wanna come off how would I go about doing this I really don’t wanna go through horrible withdrawals cas of work what do you think i should do
How are you doing now, Vincent? I'm helping a friend while she works with her doctor on a long term taper. 2mg was just too high for her to jump off, so we basically cut 2 mg into slivers so tiny you can barely hold it (2mg is small already when you cut down an 8mg film!). She reduced one of those pieces every other day (I can't even do the math on that) but it seems to be working!
I'm on day 3 after going 8 days on .25mgs. I took 8 mg strips for 16 years. Insomnia and loss of appetite are irritating but nothing like acute WD. Suboxone saved my life. My life is completely different now thank God.
You available to chat? I’m in similar situation and wondering how things are going. I’m currently on .50 mg once a day and go 30 hrs before dosing. At 26 hrs I feel week and sneeze a lot, 5 times every time, runny nose and eyes. A bit of stomach issue 4/6 hrs sleep w slight rls. I just deal w it and dose at 30 period.
For anyone complaining about the background noise, you obviously don't have kids. Dr. B., thank you for taking time out of your day and time from your family to share your knowledge with the world. I truly wish I could come to be a patient of yours. You and your team are amazing. Thank you!
@EliGerris not shocking, really. I actually do not have children, however I do try to understand that life happens, and I try not to have silly expectations of people who are just trying to be good, help others, and still (shockingly!!) be parents. I didn't hear the TV, but perhaps it was just another noise i added to the many going on in my neuro-spicy brain at any moment. ✌️💛☀️
IT IS ALL THE DEVIL Are you at the point of having NOTHING? Did you taper OFF or just taper. That part is easy. Its the OFF that will get yah a tad. No way around it. PERIOD.
I take 4mg a day and it’s been great! I almost decided to not go the Suboxone route based on stigma. Then I found Dr. B…completely changed my outlook! Thank you! I went from junkie to senior account executive at a billion dollar software company! Thank you so much for your message of breaking stigma
First, Dr.B I respect what you are trying to do in the world of drug addiction that being said, having addiction and family history riddled with addiction and childhood trauma, western medicine and therapy in this area is crap. I’ve done so much research, have you experienced addiction? How can you guide if you haven’t lived it? Clinics are full of counselors that know nothing about addiction and the way they relate to addicts is definitely lacking. For the patients/addicts you are not the drug. Something inside went somewhat haywire and don’t give up on yourselves and stay on these meds forever! I thought it was going to save my life but since taking it I have never felt so terrible mentally, spiritually and physically. There is a fortune being made off of addictions. I pray you find the right help, get healthy as you can. Find natural ways to heal. Western medicine does not want you to figure it out! I’m trying to find my personalized treatment plan naturally. Dear God if I find it I will shout it to the roof tops!
Me too I feel so closed off and i have lupus so was told id be on suboxone for the rest of my days and Im not buying it I want to feel life again without this crap and im willing to go through any length to do it I was a spokesperson for the heal project and endorsed suboxone now i wish i hadnt
Guys I appreciate those videos. For me, I was being treated with Suboxone for pain. As time has gone by the side effects are making me feel so much worse! So I have to taper so I can have a good quality of life. I know, as I didn't have OUD, but it's scary. This video and some others on the subject has given me some measure of hope. I hope to leave a message for y'all saying I was able to taper off with minimal misery. Thanks
Nobody ever talks about the side effects of long term Subonxone use...decreased sex drive...almost non existent. Difficulty urinating and bladder pressure. Dull senses, dull emotions, like there is a bla ket over your spirit preventing you from feeling fully human. Like thatlight inside you has gone out. At least on opiates I was creative, felt human. Suboxone helps you mainyain life on autopilot. Which can be helpful to adjust to new ways of living. Also big.pharma uses names of some meds to rub it in the face of people....Sub- Ox- One...think about it
@@1known2 hey man,am down to were a 2 mg strip with last me 3 days or more but I withdraw and have to step up I got 6 months b 4 I start driving a big truck ..any advice I been on it 4 years and trying to come off about 3 months
I have two close friends who’ve done with barely anything you could call withdrawal. So I guess you’ve learned that at least for you that’s the case. That sucks and glad you’re better now .So all others don’t take as meaning much. Everyone has a different reaction.
@@jimmybright7579 I’m on day 3 of no subs. I tapered down but I’m still having withdrawal symptoms. For me it’s; runny nose, sneezing, stomach ache, lack of energy, and some irritableness. However compared to percs and oxy this is nothing! I’m not having the tremors (I feel like my body is bracing for them though) and I don’t have RLS. Oh and I can actually sleep fine, I just wake up super hot sometimes before going cold and then hot again which really sucks. Otherwise I’m good to go. I can’t wait to finally not feel anything.. but I know I have a very long road ahead of me.
Tapering isn’t working for me. Going to my first sublocade appointment today. Doubt I’ll get on the shot today but I’m excited. I already stopped going to my Suboxone doctor. I’m planning on getting the 300mg shot one month ; and 100mg shot the 2nd month and then ride off into the sunset. It’s been 13 damn years of Bupe ruining my life. It also saved my life but I should have only taken it short term in the beginning however I wasn’t educated and my dr definitely didn’t have my best interest at heart.
I’m telling you right now, withdrawals are waiting at the end of the road no matter what administration route you choose. You have to taper a long time to get your receptors thoroughly cleaned out and through the elimination phase. That’s the whole point of tapering, easing your body back into a healthy cycle of producing its own endorphins again.. sublocade is just going to stuff your receptors full of bupe and make your body MORE dependent than ever. 10 years on subutex here. Just tapered down to 2mg/day from 8
@@zacharymorris2613hey dude have you got off yet? And I agree the shot feels sus and too good to be true. I’m a .5mg into my taper. Been on 4mg for 7 years
I can’t tell you how much I wanted and needed to hear everything’s said but the background children made it super hard, sorry but I found it super frustrating
Embarrassed? Why? Who cares. It is personal disapointment. Just want away from it. Just going to do it and get some less sleep for a week or so. Oh well. Thought it woudl be easy now that .25. NOPE.
It's he'll til the very end of the withdrawal. Physical last 2 weeks. The mental part last for about 3 to 4 months. That's just me personally. The only way I did it was taper down. No other personal issues thats stressful in life. Keep everything as simple as possible. Pray. Pray. Pray. Faith. Faith. Faith. This is about impossible to quit but it's also possible and I know ow that's it do able. I've done. I just had to get back on it and again, I'm scared. There's a lot going on thats stressful in my life right now. So I am probably going to wait until after the holidays and these stress factors are over. It's too much to deal with. So best answer is to wait, til life is stress free and you've tapered. Absolutely never quit taking this until your anxiety is at bay. I know we all can do this. When the time is right. God bless
Gotta start taking magnesium potassium, caffiene free tea bc has l-theanine. At 8mg your receptors are 80 percent saturated, at 4 mg your receptors are still half saturated, I made mistake of jumping at 2mg and wd for months not realizing it's still a big dose... Also, Suboxone is a strange drug to ween off bc as you get to doses below 4 it starts acting as norbuperinorphine which is full agonist so that's why it gets rough. Plus it's half life is ridiculous, you really wanna start stretching as many hours as you can before dosing.. also there's no info about how it functions as an anti depressant but it does and long term use causes depression in a lot of ppl, although it's why it works for some and when they go off it they kill themselves. So if you start having suicidal thoughts seek help. I found taking small dose for two days then taking the previous dose the third day then dropping to smaller dose confuses your body into thinking it's gonna get bigger dose. Ugh. I'm gonna write a book. Message me with any questions
" as you get to doses below 4 it starts acting as norbuperinorphine which is full agonist so that's why it gets rough" Is that your medical opinion? What you said there is incorrect. it does NOT begin affecting you, at 4mg, as a full agonist would and you shouldnt tell people that it does. Your statement is a reflection of your interpretation of the relief you felt from adapting to a lower dose.
I’ve been on suboxone for 7 years. I got diagnosed with atrial fibrillation of the heart. Now I can’t get off without dying. I’m a single father of a little girl. I’m scared 😢😢😢 I feel like suboxone is fucking my body up. But I’m stuck between a rock in a hard place. I would need a real hospital to detox and not sure if there is such a thing
Yes it’s important I’m hoping my training and eating right and getting on top of my anxiety issues before tackling my buprenorphine issue I’m down to 3.6 and will drop again in a month but this time I’m given myself a good chance of getting clean , it took me two years of anxiety etc to getting clean of benzodiazepines so I’m hoping Iv got the tools to make the last step , good luck to everyone who is trying to make a difference in their lives x
I have had severe anxiety since a teen. I'm 37 yrs old now. I'm trying to get off of subtext. I can't sleep coming off this. Im in meetings and work a recovery program. Without this medication I have no cravings. My legs cram. I pour sweat. I feel like I'm losing my mind. I get depression. Mood swings. This is hard. I don't know how to do this. Plz help
I found when I got close to going off suboxon I did herbal liver cleansing of milk thistle to help clean out the suboxon. I think this helped lessen my withdrawal symptoms.
@@Bbknuckles idk. I mean I was so sick I took my self to 7 day rehab. Smdh they gave me Clonidine, gabapentin, stuff for stomach cramps and spasms , anti diahrrheal, teazodone for sleep and towards the end vitamin c. Just enough to stabilize. I got home and they withdrawal hit hard again. I went and got me this milk thistle. I’m still taking it. The tremors have stopped but I have the anxiety and the muscle weakness off the chain. Sick of this shit. Staying clean though. Thanks
@@karlacoria4370 wow and you’ve gone without re-dosing this entire time? It’s been what a month? Oh man I hope it doesn’t last that long fml. Although this time I can say I managed to skip the tremors and extreme weakness. I just feel overall like I have a cold. I’m on day 4 but I tapered down rapidly. Surprisingly I’ve managed to make it this far. I was hoping to hear I was almost done. I went cold off oxy several years ago and it took me 19 days before I felt “normal”. God I hope it’s not that bad again 😩
I need help I can find a answer anywere can nurses be on mat suboxone treatment while working ? It's a low dose and it's my friend and he's deathly scared of getting help or asking any of his colleagues and it's impossible to find this information please help
Without withdrawals?? I thought after tapering down to 1 gram then the withdrawal start and go for months after u from 1g to nothing a day. Am I wrong ?
1 is high, I would get to at least .5mg stable for weeks to months before trying to stop but that’s just me. Been stuck in taper off and on, had got down to .5mg stable for months and then slipped up with full agonists and when I dosed sub again I had to jump up to 2mg. I just finally got back to 1 some months ago, and now am trying to get a week + stable on .5 again. Finally almost back ugh. Subs saved my life. I will never deny that, complete miracle drug of sorts. But I am tired of having any crutch. Tired of the tooth decay. Dedicating 20-30 mins a day to max absorption of the strips. It beats the hell out of full blown opiate addiction, but it’s still its own. I understand those who stay on it though, absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just feel I am ready to go sober, truly lol. Best of luck to you, take care
15 years of Suboxone n pain pill cycles.along w severe illness, my with draw is equal to dying. Not typical withdraw , and my negative family has been anti support towards me. Slow death.... Yikes
This is such a important matter and I had a very hard time trying to focus on the conversation and I ended up with a lot o stress because of the noise in the background. Please next time be in a place where there is total silence and relaxation so we with problems concentrating can learn much easier and you never told us HOW to teper down with out withdrawals.
There's absolutely no way of tapering off without withdrawals Naloxone is an opioid antagonist that blocks off your endorphins and stays in your system for a very long time. I'm on my 3rd week of just quitting cold turkey because tapering off was still giving me withdrawals till I just had enough and decided it was time to just jump off. Started with 4mg than I went to 2mg then I went to 1mg for 6yrs. It was insanity. The acute withdrawals the 1st week was literally hell diarrhea, irritability, crying, hot/cold flashes, anxiety, chronic insomnia, fatigue, zero appetite. I couldn't do regular daily task. Now on my 3rd week it's going a little better except for the insomnia and lack of energy and occasional hot flashes. I don't know when this is going to stop but I've been so miserable 😢
Ive been on Suboxone for 10 years. How can I taper successfully? The issue for me is bad back pain. I have used this vs opoids as I was being prescribed a ridiculous amount of Opoids at that time, and needed to get off. I was taking 240 Oxy 30's per month, with fyntenal 100 micrograms per hour patches as well. So I decided to quit and get off that crap. The point is that I am tired of this medicine. I want to stop
Oh, my current dosage is 2 films 8mg/2mg per day. I just want to be clear, the pain is bad, and I get a nasty sensation up my spine if I don't have medication to help block that. That's the absolute worst! Probably the reason I've never been able to do it.
I have issues with my lower back its called degenerative disk disease, stenosis n I 4get the other name so iv been on methadone for a few yrs then got off it by switching to suboxone but now I have been on a taper for years to get off suboxone it takes me 3 weeks to use a 8mg strip I just cut it but I can't stop the lil tiny pieces. So I choose to get back on pain pills short term to get over the suboxone withdrawals. I'm on day 6 n its going good till I heard that the withdrawal from suboxone lasts more than a month for ppl that have been on it for years so I do notice still bad withdrawal symptoms with out the pain pills so I got weeks to go still.. had I known about the long time of withdrawal I would have just stayed on pain pills since that withdrawal was the lesser of the 2 evils... in my humble opinion ❤
In my case suboxone actually caused me to have really bad back pain. It crept up on me and I spent months and many doctors appointments figuring that out. That's why I want off. Suboxone has also made me very depressed and unmotivated to do even the things i used to love. You gotta taper slow, months sometimes for each step. 😢
@@shannonmichael74 try taking b4 you need to be productive i wake up a lil earlier take it fall back asleep then it will kick in when u wait to you feel bad or have to get going to take it u take more but when I take it a lil earlier then the time I wake up its already starting to kick in and I need less take and allow it to start being affective
Ive been sitting here sometimes space out thinking so much of playing out my life in my mind . After ive smoked to take some sorta edge off but still damn . Why did i do what all ive done ? This shit is batshit crazy yall , why would they put that ingredient in suboxone to do people like this though? Damnnnn . And ive gotta work like this and its actual hard work! Ill never use shit ever again
I feel like a big baby. I’ve been in 2mg for a year and scared to stop. From what ppl are telling me, I should have withdrawals from 2mg. The highest I ever got was 6mg . Down to 4mg a year later then down to 2mg a year after that. Anyone have experience going cold turkey off 2mg Buprenorphine? There isn’t anything lower to go down to
Get down lower. In prison i was doing 1 miligram and a half a day and when i didn't get it i would have really bad withdrawals. With suboxone, i dont think it matters how much u are used to. Ur gonna withdrawl. Im now on 8mg a day but im gonna start to taper off tomorrow. Also alcohol helpa the withdrawl symptoms lol
Whsts the rist and would it even to be worth tradeing methadone for suboxon...or if you take the time to get suck and go trow it wouldn't you be just hurting your self I am really confused cuz insurance is stopping rides to the methadone clinic so i went with out for a week at 120 i stoped cold trucky should i just get off to get off
Honestly the potential negative side effects of suboxone... it sucks if you're one of the people it creeps up on. In my case after 6 months I had severe back pain, major depression and anhedonia. The world was black and I was grey. If you could stay methadone i would.
I’m really glad I found this Chanel ! I work in Recovery Housing and I honestly feel Suboxone is a life saving medication and it has given people they’re lives back . That being said, there is nothing wrong with staying on the medication and living your best life !
I would love to watch this conversation/video, but damn! The background noise is driving me CRAZY. It sounds like there are kids playing in the background.
The key to get off of suboxon is taking it once a day at the same time and it's not easy but it makes it easier to go down .when going off it's going to be crazy all the old thoughts come back so go back on a small dose.the next time you go off it we'll be much easier that first real bad withdrawal only happens once .Going in a 7 to 14 detox center would be best for this transition. The next 8 month everything gets better. There is just no easy way out but worst of it really isn't that long .Good luck it's a battle.
I think you're right I noticed I can take the smallest dose like to mg three or four times a day five times a day and I'll be fine but if I took a just a big 8 dose then a couple hours later I feel like I needed more
@@grymgaming5541 that’s all physiological. It’s long half life and dose makes one not even feel multiple doses. I think anything beyond 8 mg is insane.
@@grymgaming5541takes 90 minutes to get the full effect so to say you take 80 mg and 2 hours later feel like you need more it either has not fully kicked in or it's 100% in your head and you just feel the need to use something consistently.
When you can get back to me but my question is how can I make my doctors at the suboxone clinic understand I want to tapper off I’ve mentioned it and they I feel like forcing me to stay on it and I don’t want to be i mentioned it like 3 times already and still they won’t I’ve been on it for like 10 years and need to get off I feel like it’s a crunch and my sponsor recommended me to get off
I can manage most wds, the exception being restless leg. I am taking clonidine, and some loperamide for poopies. I had to take some sub it was a tiny amount to sleep last night due to the restless leg and arms both feel like there are ants crawling in my skin. I also get strong electrical surges in my brain every time this happens. During the day I am doing pretty well other than mood swings, tearing up, and yawning a lot. I also get some aches and pains but there manageable. There is also some depression at times but its very mental possibly due to feeling all my emotions coming back. Before I would just take sub almost like a kill switch. Now I have to actually process these emotions, it can be something as simple as you need to eat something healthy, or be social, or focus on romantic relationship. Subs would mask most of these feelings.
@@Aprilann871 it’s easy all you need is to stop using 12-15 hours once you feel even a little withdrwal I took half a 8mg and it worked took the other half and all was good I have come on and off them few times now if your using fentynal at all I can’t help you there half life is long and never tried and don’t say I’m lying when I’m the one who did it many times I used oxy 80z a lot the real prude ones back in the day use to have a guy with a script 100 every month it’s not hard unless you have used other stuff street oxy has benzo and fent now just so you know I’m Canadian have a great day don’t judge someone when you don’t know his story I perfectly got takes down doses no withdrawal at all then after. While did it again. End of story sorry for the punctuation but that comment really got to me
@@geomanko4142just starting to taper myself and not sure how to cut these up and take. Are you doing well now? Saw that your comment was from a year ago
9:30a.m. video this my first time on link with you guys. However, I'm on first sublicade shot and want to know if after this shot if I don't want another shot would my withdrawals be severe or no withdrawals?
Can you do a video on vaping I used it to quit. Smoking I also think it helps me stay away from H and hard I have been clean about a year and a half thanks to vaping and Suboxone
I started vaping 9 years ago. I was at 24 MG of nicotine for 8 years. Then I decided to taper. Each time I'd go buy a new bottle of juice I'd 2 taper 2 mgs. It's was super easy. I'm now down to .5 MG of nicotine. I haven't jumped yet but I'm going to after I stay a week at .25 mgs.
The judgment is going to kill me every time I’ve tried to start Suboxone I’ve backed out painfully and gone through with drawl because people are so judge mental and they have no problem being verbal and vocal at me about it I don’t understand why when I start Suboxone people can’t be happy for me and you’re doing the right thing and scared both times I was attacked by everyone around me Kaiser professionals the worst they attacked me the worst
Self care is critical, too many off us rely on the suboxone to get us through similar to when using opiates. You , we are more important than , we. Deserve sleep , Eaton a
I'm not sure if they ever fix the echo problem but the problem is his voice is playing through doctor be computer and then Dr B computer is recording software is picking the his voice up
I would like to know, if I’ve been off the subs for a month, & then took 1 , 0.4 tablet, is that going to ruin my progress? I took a 0.4 yesterday & worried that it’s put me right back.
since you have been off 2 month and u decided to use again the biggest problem is that you have relapsed even if u only took 1 pill, it started a new routine, and the bigest danger is your second pill wich will follow a patern i doubt u will get withdrawals, but your mind allowed you to use again
It will wake up the addiction. And you will just want more and more until you're back to being actively addicted again. But if you learn from this and have no more it's not done any damage.
I believe that, that’s probably why my doctor at the Suboxone clinic said they don’t go below 2 mg and if I am going to self taper below that they’re still going to prescribe 2 mg a day till I’m off… I self tapered on the 2 mg strips all the way down to .25 MG and then jumped off withdraws not that bad the withdraws were worse when I went down from 1 mg to .75 and then .50 that was the worst granite I only spent four days at each of the levels so from 1 mg till I was off was only 12 to 13 days
@@Carv97 Likewise.Took near a yr.Went down to .25mg,though in retrospect I was in partial withdrawal I suspect for much of my taper. Longer the better in my case.Hadn't used for yrs helped greatly,and never being issued Visa for Thailand evermore.....🙄
O.M.G. I took my last 2mgs if methadone 3 weeks ago and man the RLS, the pain in my back and legs( 3 back operations) i was at my pain Dr today and will now be tapering off oxycodone 7.5 x3 a day. The sneezing, the bone pain, feeling lazy. I wish you the very best. I tapered off 3 months no nausea though. God bless .
Get down to 30mg of methadone and switch to suboxon go on 16mg and when you are Honeymoon phase of the suboxon you can drop mg fast .Much easy to ween off but still very hard at the end .once I switch to suboxon it took me 4 months to be free.
@@devin7863 I wish that's what I did but I was in "that" mindset. There's not enough help or knowledge. Thankfully our states drug program has past and current addicts involved in peer programs with some monetary compensation. It's a great idea though slowed by covid.
@@kbuhs13 Are you kidding? Because people want OFF Suboxone, it’s a hideous, soul sucking drug and they should totally be encouraged & helped to do that. This video is titled “How to taper without withdrawals” but instead is a classic example of the language doctors use to keep people on this crap. It’s not about tapering! It’s makes me furious... & now they’re shooting people up with subs to drip feed them a constant steady supply of the drug.. that ain’t no life my friend.
I didn't watch the video but the title is a complete lie 100%. Ive been on subs for 10yrs i went down to 1mg a day and every 2 days and still had a month long withdrawal after being on 1mg a day for 3 months. Kratom is how i was able to stop thats it!
@@Weather_Nerd then I went 1mg ever other day tho. And yes I did end up taking less then 1mg also. It just depends on how much u are taking and for how long that's it. It was actually easy to stop with the kratom wish I had it 15yrs ago to stop.
@@loribenintendi5843 just look it up its helping tons of people get off opiate heroin whatever. It's a plant from Asia related to the coffee tree when u eat the leads it has acoloids that make you feel like u are on opium but it's not opium. And kratom is alot easier and safer just to stop because its organic natural and just the way to go if u want to stop drugs.
I'm stuck on 1 8mg suboxone a day. Past three years or more i been taking just 1. I'll take a piece of it throughout the day. Yeah I should try to tapper off.
There were no study’s done on getting off it by the actual makers of the shot (unbelievable!), so doctors don’t really know Jack. I think the only people that can give genuine advice about it are those that have done it but they seem as easy to find as 🦄’s . My feeing is that ultimately it’s just another maintenance drug, just longer lasting, being advertised & hailed as a miracle to get people of opiates.. exactly the same as Suboxone was.
@@essenseflame6097 that's what I'm thinking. Asked Dr and he's tapering me. I also found a bunch of success stories on reddit. We're getting off this shit!
@@shannonmichael74 Hope you’re doing well hun. I’m 12 days off today & doing great! Was definitely hell but I was fully prepared for it! Never going back ✌🏼 ..my doctor didn’t support me & wanted me instead to get the bupe shot! ‘Anyone’ reading this that’s being brainwashed by a doctor, please believe in yourself, you deserve a good life..You deserve to be free! Much love & strength to all ❤️
I’ve been on suboxone for 7 years. I’ve developed atrial fibrillation of the heart. Now it’s gonna be hard to get off without possibly dying. I’m a single father and don’t know what to do 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
anyone know how to deal with depression related to suboxone? I've developed serious depression after getting on it but am afraid to come off completely.
Long term bupe causes depression but we don't realise when we're on it how badly it affects us. Now withdrawing its hard but I'm starting to get glimpses of real happiness and joy again that I haven't felt in years. Its not linear though but I'd get off that crap if I were you.
@@angusyates828 I did, switched to a low dose of methadone and I'm a new person, never felt worse on that stuff I was told by the so called professionals that it wasn't a side effect and to treat the depression with other medications. I got off them too. will be off it all completely now soon. Amazing there's not more about this we can't be the only ones who suffered like this.
I been on for 7 years. Now I got heart arrhythmia. Now I’m scared Ima die if I try to get off😢😢😢 scared. I’m a single father and can’t leave my daughter
You can do it, I am on day six off of Suboxone after being started on 16 mg for the last 2 1/2 years go down 2 milligrams at a time with doctors guidance, And then when you get down to 4 mg you go down 1 mg a month and then when I got down to 2mg i went down .5 mg for six days then down another .5 mg for another five days Then .75 .50 .25 four days at each of these… During this time. You don’t feel great but it’s not nearly as bad we overthink it and make it seem so much worse in our minds and this is not my first time coming off Suboxone last time I jumped off at 4 mg and it was the worst withdrawal I’ve had in a long time but doing it in the steps I just talked about works great have your doctor give you something for the stomach cramps and some clonidine for the restlessness and you can get off of it I believe in you!!
hi dr b i have been on methadone for 3 years now from about 6 years use of percocet prescribed by my doctor, i havent taken a pill in 3 years with no cravings i am now on 0,5ml of methadone or 5mg, my doctor wanted to switch me to suboxone once i get to 20mg but i continued till now, since im already this far what would be the best approach to finishing off my taper should i continue the taper or switch , i noticed that my plateux is 5mg i have a feeling once i get to 3mg i will lose my energy to go to work, would it be best to go cold turkey at 3 mg or just fight the withdrawals for a few month going down 1mg at a time, i just needed a second opinion thank your dr b
If you're plateauing at 5, stay there for at least another month or two. When you feel yourself being comfortable and think you're ready to taper again, wait another 2 weeks. Then go down to 4. Stay on 4 for another month or two. If you slow taper like this, you'll end up eventually on 1, and should stay there for at least a month until you try and stop the 1. It truly is the best and most comfortable way.
@@amber76OH at 19mg i felt sick but i went back up to 21 then tapered 1 mg every 2 week, to be honest i havent felt any withdrawals yet after 19 and im at 5mg, im just listening to my body and going down 1 mg every 2-3 weeks
@@danielcyr6489 yes! So happy to hear that. For sure the hardest taper is from 5 on down, so listening to your body is key. I got impatient around 4, and started tapering 1 a week from there, but that caused a bit of pain. If I did it again I'd definitely do 1 a month instead of a week. Congratulations on your achievement! It's such a badass, extremely hard accomplishment, but we are proof it's possible!
Don't switch....just kick.....subs are very tricky...it sound like a smaller amount of opiates....bit it's actually more going from 5mgs methadone to 4 mgs Suboxone would be like going back to 25 or 30 on methadone......0.1 percent of a milligram actually fills 60 to 70 percent of your opioid receptors. Suboxone is a trick to get you back up....you are doing great and 5 mgs should not be too bad....just put your faith in God and make it happen ......I am currently on day two of my cold turkey Suboxone kick from 8 mgs......I wish I never switched.....was down to 10 methadone.
Can’t rely on suboxone for anxiety, past trauma.it’s best to have talk therapy.whatever negative feelings on any particular day , it is transient, it Will pass even if you have no suboxone.
For a guy that is such a pro with Suboxone, I find his tapering guide WAY TOO EXTREME/FAST. He advised that guy that he should cut one of his 8 mg doses in half?! Do you know how hard that is? A 4 mg drop just like that? Smh I thought you knew better Dr B. Especially with a guy that admitted that he sometimes abuses (takes more than prescribed) and sometimes goes a day without using. That guy needs to handle his stress in life in other ways instead of taking more suboxone or he'll never be able to taper because any discomfort will make him take
You have to look at the overall daily dose though. Yes if he was only taking 8mg daily, then a 4mg drop would be too much. But going from 24mg daily to 20mg daily is barely noticeable.
@@briannestokes5190 did you read the entire post? The guy struggles and sometimes even takes more than his prescribed 24 mg and the Dr suggests cutting 4 mg out. That's not going to work for that patient, it's too aggressive a strategy
Being on drugs for 30 years the methodone and suboxon forced me to take the time for my brain to heal .There no fast fix take the time when your body and mind are ready you well be able to ween off .I believe the most important thing listen to your body and try to train your self only to take your meds once a day at the same time everyday.which means every morning counting the minutes to take it but eventually your body well adapte to this its gets easier.I found splitting my mg up during the day that I would end haveing more withdrawals just at different times .It took me years to heal .That's what we are doing healing .So time and mental work and we can heal .Just like you can reverse type 2 diabetes if you change your whole world and how eat .once you beat addition you are in a group that beat one of the hardest illness. The only people that really understand are other addicts. So being sober is hard the work to stay clean never ends .To help heal my mind I listed to audio book on TH-cam called the Master Key psychology book might not be for everyone. It's sure answered a lot of questions I had been thinking about .
WORSE VIDEO EVER! Yes, I'm complaining about the noise Dr. B's children were making and yes I have children. Couldn't you keep them active in another room or even outside until you completed this video. I can't believe that you actually have patients on 40mgs of Suboxone. The only person who made any sense in this video was Nicole and I thank her so much for tapering off, which I thought this entire video was about. Onto another video that can really help me.
I think these pills taste nasty and I hate them . I’ve been taking a half a pill for awhile . Getting ready to break half in half and start skipping days !!
If you guys are gonna try a TH-cam video live stream please try and get your sh*t together regarding the presentation. You don’t have to be a professional studio to put out a decent video. Kids in the room ? C’mon
I’ve been on suboxone for 3 years and started tapering 8 months ago. I went from 8-4-2 with no wd yet. So my doc wants me to go from 2-1 next then 1 to off. I feel like that’s too big of a drop from 1 mg but he’s saying that’s all they can do. I feel like he just doesn’t want me to come off so he’s gonna force me to wd and get back on. Anybody jump off at 1 mg?
@@triggerwarning2982 I didn't suffer from acute withdrawal. I had insomnia and some sneezing but nothing like being dopesick. It was challenging but not too hard. I have 105 days and am free.
I started at 14mg of subs 8 months ago. Went down 2mg every 6 weeks and after 8 months was able to get down to 1mg. Stayed at 1mg for 2 weeks then went down to .5mg. Continued at .5 for about 10 days then stopped all together. That was 8 days ago.... first three days for me were the hardest. Felt very tired(lethargic), mild muscle soreness, mild restlessness and difficulty sleeping, mild on and off headaches, was sneezing and yawning 50 times a day, using the toilet(#2) 10 times a day, also had trouble focusing. On day 4 the symptoms reduced slightly(20%). Day 5, 30% reduction in symptoms compared to 1st three days. Day 6 my energy levels stared to return, was able to get full night sleep and the physical symptoms were 60% less than 1st three days. On day 7 I woke in the morning feeling relatively good. It was a very good feeling. throughout that day I only felt 20% of the severity of symptoms from 1st three days. Today, day 9, I'm feeling great most symptoms have subsided only issue is I'm feeling a bit of low energy still. Psychologically I did not experience any depression but did feel some anxiety the 1st 3-4 days. Ive never really suffered from depression or chronic anxiety in my life. I know my psychological fortitude helped me avoid the depression and anxiety and everyone is different. Some people may feel much worse with the combination of physical symptoms and psychological symptoms. Personally I felt like the anxiety for the 1st 4 days was nearly as uncomfortable as the physical symptoms. Fortunately it didn't last very long. The stress from getting off subs wasn't that difficult compared to the many other hardships Ive experienced. I'd rather go through this again than be dumped by another girlfriend. Perspective is important my friends. In conclusion, YOU CAN DO IT!!! JUST DO IT!! and IT WILL SET YOU FREE!! Strongly recommend getting down to .5mg. Five weeks ago I tried jumping off at 2mg, made to day 3 caved and jumped back on. Withdrawal symptoms at 2mg are 3 times stronger compared to.5mg. Get yourself down to .5mg or less and stay at that dose for 2 weeks, and then kiss it goodbye. Hope this helps someone.
Im on day 3 but was taking .25 mg for few days prior but just chills and not sleep kill me
Thats why you had withdrawl. You tapered too fast. I lowered my dose by
.10 every 2 months. After 12 months i was taking .15 for 8 weeks and stopped with 0 withdrawl. The more time you take the more your body adjusts
Hey man I’m on 16 mg for the past 2 in half years I wanna come off how would I go about doing this I really don’t wanna go through horrible withdrawals cas of work what do you think i should do
How are you doing now, Vincent? I'm helping a friend while she works with her doctor on a long term taper. 2mg was just too high for her to jump off, so we basically cut 2 mg into slivers so tiny you can barely hold it (2mg is small already when you cut down an 8mg film!). She reduced one of those pieces every other day (I can't even do the math on that) but it seems to be working!
Thanks so much. Very encouraging.
I'm on day 3 after going 8 days on .25mgs. I took 8 mg strips for 16 years. Insomnia and loss of appetite are irritating but nothing like acute WD. Suboxone saved my life. My life is completely different now thank God.
How did you tapper off
Amazing bro, that’s how I came off also, but didn’t take 16 years, your awesome bro I hope your still doing well.
@@1known2 Thank you, I am doing very well.
@@gennerobootz6490 my Doc and I went from 8mg to .25mg in a couple months.
You available to chat? I’m in similar situation and wondering how things are going. I’m currently on .50 mg once a day and go 30 hrs before dosing. At 26 hrs I feel week and sneeze a lot, 5 times every time, runny nose and eyes. A bit of stomach issue 4/6 hrs sleep w slight rls. I just deal w it and dose at 30 period.
Figure withdraw and the pain are part of healing. Only way out is through.
Yeah but tapering Suboxone to an almost nonexistent dose actually works and is as near painless as it gets. Was on it 14 years.
For anyone complaining about the background noise, you obviously don't have kids.
Dr. B., thank you for taking time out of your day and time from your family to share your knowledge with the world. I truly wish I could come to be a patient of yours. You and your team are amazing. Thank you!
RIGHT...BUT IF YOU WANT YOUR VIDEO TO BE WATCH AND UNDERSTOOD/ HEARD..THEN MAKE IT WHEN YOUR KIDS AREN'T HOME! AMBER760H YOUR AN IDIOT! 🤭
@EliGerris not shocking, really. I actually do not have children, however I do try to understand that life happens, and I try not to have silly expectations of people who are just trying to be good, help others, and still (shockingly!!) be parents. I didn't hear the TV, but perhaps it was just another noise i added to the many going on in my neuro-spicy brain at any moment. ✌️💛☀️
IT IS ALL THE DEVIL Are you at the point of having NOTHING? Did you taper OFF or just taper. That part is easy. Its the OFF that will get yah a tad. No way around it. PERIOD.
@JAMN2GD whatchu talkin bout, Willis?
I take 4mg a day and it’s been great! I almost decided to not go the Suboxone route based on stigma. Then I found Dr. B…completely changed my outlook! Thank you! I went from junkie to senior account executive at a billion dollar software company! Thank you so much for your message of breaking stigma
Good job!
Have fun trying to come off sub!
@@loosgoos85 why would I ever come off? It’s awesome
@@loosgoos85 best decision I’ve made. Don’t have any reason to ever stop.
Great job
First, Dr.B I respect what you are trying to do in the world of drug addiction that being said, having addiction and family history riddled with addiction and childhood trauma, western medicine and therapy in this area is crap. I’ve done so much research, have you experienced addiction? How can you guide if you haven’t lived it? Clinics are full of counselors that know nothing about addiction and the way they relate to addicts is definitely lacking. For the patients/addicts you are not the drug. Something inside went somewhat haywire and don’t give up on yourselves and stay on these meds forever! I thought it was going to save my life but since taking it I have never felt so terrible mentally, spiritually and physically. There is a fortune being made off of addictions. I pray you find the right help, get healthy as you can. Find natural ways to heal. Western medicine does not want you to figure it out! I’m trying to find my personalized treatment plan naturally. Dear God if I find it I will shout it to the roof tops!
AGREE WITH YOU TO THE 100TH POWER!!
Me too I feel so closed off and i have lupus so was told id be on suboxone for the rest of my days and Im not buying it I want to feel life again without this crap and im willing to go through any length to do it I was a spokesperson for the heal project and endorsed suboxone now i wish i hadnt
I don’t agree with Dr B about being on Suboxone’s for the rest of your life. Like who wants that?? No one
Amazing content. Kudos! Much love to my fellow recovering addicts and to those still ripping and running. Be well!
Guys I appreciate those videos. For me, I was being treated with Suboxone for pain. As time has gone by the side effects are making me feel so much worse! So I have to taper so I can have a good quality of life. I know, as I didn't have OUD, but it's scary. This video and some others on the subject has given me some measure of hope. I hope to leave a message for y'all saying I was able to taper off with minimal misery. Thanks
Im tapering myself, i have a few full subs to to this with. How has your journey so far?
Nobody ever talks about the side effects of long term Subonxone use...decreased sex drive...almost non existent. Difficulty urinating and bladder pressure. Dull senses, dull emotions, like there is a bla ket over your spirit preventing you from feeling fully human. Like thatlight inside you has gone out. At least on opiates I was creative, felt human. Suboxone helps you mainyain life on autopilot. Which can be helpful to adjust to new ways of living.
Also big.pharma uses names of some meds to rub it in the face of people....Sub- Ox- One...think about it
Oh my God.. ive never heard of a better way to explain what ive just been going thru. God bless
I agree with all of that except the sex part. Buprenorphine actually makes me able to perform longer
Well quit doing dope and get to meeting! Don't want all those side effects? Don't take Suboxone!!!!!!
Search for bup and patents and results will chock you my friend. They are making tens of billions every year on this poison
Unfortunately there is no way to taper without withdraw. I’ve learned at least that much.
Talk to me, what are you upto ? I am 6 months free now
@@1known2 hey man,am down to were a 2 mg strip with last me 3 days or more but I withdraw and have to step up I got 6 months b 4 I start driving a big truck ..any advice I been on it 4 years and trying to come off about 3 months
I have two close friends who’ve done with barely anything you could call withdrawal. So I guess you’ve learned that at least for you that’s the case. That sucks and glad you’re better now .So all others don’t take as meaning much. Everyone has a different reaction.
@@jimmybright7579 I’m on day 3 of no subs. I tapered down but I’m still having withdrawal symptoms. For me it’s; runny nose, sneezing, stomach ache, lack of energy, and some irritableness. However compared to percs and oxy this is nothing! I’m not having the tremors (I feel like my body is bracing for them though) and I don’t have RLS. Oh and I can actually sleep fine, I just wake up super hot sometimes before going cold and then hot again which really sucks. Otherwise I’m good to go. I can’t wait to finally not feel anything.. but I know I have a very long road ahead of me.
Everyone is different. What happens to you is not universal.
Tapering isn’t working for me. Going to my first sublocade appointment today. Doubt I’ll get on the shot today but I’m excited. I already stopped going to my Suboxone doctor. I’m planning on getting the 300mg shot one month ; and 100mg shot the 2nd month and then ride off into the sunset. It’s been 13 damn years of Bupe ruining my life. It also saved my life but I should have only taken it short term in the beginning however I wasn’t educated and my dr definitely didn’t have my best interest at heart.
I’m telling you right now, withdrawals are waiting at the end of the road no matter what administration route you choose. You have to taper a long time to get your receptors thoroughly cleaned out and through the elimination phase. That’s the whole point of tapering, easing your body back into a healthy cycle of producing its own endorphins again.. sublocade is just going to stuff your receptors full of bupe and make your body MORE dependent than ever.
10 years on subutex here. Just tapered down to 2mg/day from 8
@@zacharymorris2613hey dude have you got off yet? And I agree the shot feels sus and too good to be true. I’m a .5mg into my taper. Been on 4mg for 7 years
I can’t tell you how much I wanted and needed to hear everything’s said but the background children made it super hard, sorry but I found it super frustrating
Come back next week. We will do the same topic again and the audio will be resolved :)
The children ruined it
Sorry guys but the audio...not you guys, but the children, all that background noise...just horrible
NICHOLE. no problems until done. Taper was easy. The last .25 and STOP is a different story.
Embarrassed? Why? Who cares. It is personal disapointment. Just want away from it. Just going to do it and get some less sleep for a week or so. Oh well. Thought it woudl be easy now that .25. NOPE.
It's he'll til the very end of the withdrawal. Physical last 2 weeks. The mental part last for about 3 to 4 months. That's just me personally. The only way I did it was taper down. No other personal issues thats stressful in life. Keep everything as simple as possible. Pray. Pray. Pray. Faith. Faith. Faith. This is about impossible to quit but it's also possible and I know ow that's it do able. I've done. I just had to get back on it and again, I'm scared. There's a lot going on thats stressful in my life right now. So I am probably going to wait until after the holidays and these stress factors are over. It's too much to deal with. So best answer is to wait, til life is stress free and you've tapered. Absolutely never quit taking this until your anxiety is at bay. I know we all can do this. When the time is right. God bless
Gotta start taking magnesium potassium, caffiene free tea bc has l-theanine. At 8mg your receptors are 80 percent saturated, at 4 mg your receptors are still half saturated, I made mistake of jumping at 2mg and wd for months not realizing it's still a big dose... Also, Suboxone is a strange drug to ween off bc as you get to doses below 4 it starts acting as norbuperinorphine which is full agonist so that's why it gets rough. Plus it's half life is ridiculous, you really wanna start stretching as many hours as you can before dosing.. also there's no info about how it functions as an anti depressant but it does and long term use causes depression in a lot of ppl, although it's why it works for some and when they go off it they kill themselves. So if you start having suicidal thoughts seek help. I found taking small dose for two days then taking the previous dose the third day then dropping to smaller dose confuses your body into thinking it's gonna get bigger dose. Ugh. I'm gonna write a book. Message me with any questions
" as you get to doses below 4 it starts acting as norbuperinorphine which is full agonist so that's why it gets rough" Is that your medical opinion? What you said there is incorrect. it does NOT begin affecting you, at 4mg, as a full agonist would and you shouldnt tell people that it does. Your statement is a reflection of your interpretation of the relief you felt from adapting to a lower dose.
I’ve been on suboxone for 7 years. I got diagnosed with atrial fibrillation of the heart. Now I can’t get off without dying. I’m a single father of a little girl. I’m scared 😢😢😢 I feel like suboxone is fucking my body up. But I’m stuck between a rock in a hard place. I would need a real hospital to detox and not sure if there is such a thing
If on 8mg/2mg sublingually, how did you wean off in very small doses? Are there small doses for this drug?
God be here.give us intuitive durection.give us "nanny" sanctuarys..@@ghostofneworleans4511
@@michaelcifelli7267 I think you cut your strips into tiny pieces. Im trying this now. I just dont know how many mg’s im getting by cutting it up
Yes it’s important I’m hoping my training and eating right and getting on top of my anxiety issues before tackling my buprenorphine issue I’m down to 3.6 and will drop again in a month but this time I’m given myself a good chance of getting clean , it took me two years of anxiety etc to getting clean of benzodiazepines so I’m hoping Iv got the tools to make the last step , good luck to everyone who is trying to make a difference in their lives x
Did you ever make it off Suboxone?
I have had severe anxiety since a teen. I'm 37 yrs old now. I'm trying to get off of subtext. I can't sleep coming off this. Im in meetings and work a recovery program. Without this medication I have no cravings. My legs cram. I pour sweat. I feel like I'm losing my mind. I get depression. Mood swings. This is hard. I don't know how to do this. Plz help
I found when I got close to going off suboxon I did herbal liver cleansing of milk thistle to help clean out the suboxon. I think this helped lessen my withdrawal symptoms.
Cool I have some of that in my inventory
Thank you for the tip. On my way to get this supplement.
@@karlacoria4370 did it help you?
@@Bbknuckles idk. I mean I was so sick I took my self to 7 day rehab. Smdh they gave me Clonidine, gabapentin, stuff for stomach cramps and spasms , anti diahrrheal, teazodone for sleep and towards the end vitamin c. Just enough to stabilize. I got home and they withdrawal hit hard again. I went and got me this milk thistle. I’m still taking it. The tremors have stopped but I have the anxiety and the muscle weakness off the chain. Sick of this shit. Staying clean though. Thanks
@@karlacoria4370 wow and you’ve gone without re-dosing this entire time? It’s been what a month? Oh man I hope it doesn’t last that long fml. Although this time I can say I managed to skip the tremors and extreme weakness. I just feel overall like I have a cold. I’m on day 4 but I tapered down rapidly. Surprisingly I’ve managed to make it this far. I was hoping to hear I was almost done. I went cold off oxy several years ago and it took me 19 days before I felt “normal”. God I hope it’s not that bad again 😩
I need help I can find a answer anywere can nurses be on mat suboxone treatment while working ? It's a low dose and it's my friend and he's deathly scared of getting help or asking any of his colleagues and it's impossible to find this information please help
Yes, they can. Have a conversation with their primary doctor.
You can have practically any job on Suboxone
Yes, you can.
Without withdrawals?? I thought after tapering down to 1 gram then the withdrawal start and go for months after u from 1g to nothing a day. Am I wrong ?
Works for some , i would cut to 1/4 strips till i can tolerate 1 quarter then jump , 1-2 months
1 is high, I would get to at least .5mg stable for weeks to months before trying to stop but that’s just me. Been stuck in taper off and on, had got down to .5mg stable for months and then slipped up with full agonists and when I dosed sub again I had to jump up to 2mg. I just finally got back to 1 some months ago, and now am trying to get a week + stable on .5 again. Finally almost back ugh.
Subs saved my life. I will never deny that, complete miracle drug of sorts. But I am tired of having any crutch. Tired of the tooth decay. Dedicating 20-30 mins a day to max absorption of the strips. It beats the hell out of full blown opiate addiction, but it’s still its own. I understand those who stay on it though, absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just feel I am ready to go sober, truly lol.
Best of luck to you, take care
How bad was the taper for anyone taking 1 or 2 8mg for a year and a half?
15 years of Suboxone n pain pill cycles.along w severe illness, my with draw is equal to dying. Not typical withdraw , and my negative family has been anti support towards me. Slow death.... Yikes
It was an older doctor not the current doctor. I work with just to clear that up.
This is such a important matter and I had a very hard time trying to focus on the conversation and I ended up with a lot o stress because of the noise in the background. Please next time be in a place where there is total silence and relaxation so we with problems concentrating can learn much easier and you never told us HOW to teper down with out withdrawals.
No doubt!
A doctor told my husband you can’t take the shot until your down to 2 mg or less of his 16 mg film daily . Is this true ?
I was told 8mg/day by my dr
You half to be off of it completely for I don't remember how long before you can get it
There's absolutely no way of tapering off without withdrawals Naloxone is an opioid antagonist that blocks off your endorphins and stays in your system for a very long time. I'm on my 3rd week of just quitting cold turkey because tapering off was still giving me withdrawals till I just had enough and decided it was time to just jump off. Started with 4mg than I went to 2mg then I went to 1mg for 6yrs. It was insanity. The acute withdrawals the 1st week was literally hell diarrhea, irritability, crying, hot/cold flashes, anxiety, chronic insomnia, fatigue, zero appetite. I couldn't do regular daily task. Now on my 3rd week it's going a little better except for the insomnia and lack of energy and occasional hot flashes. I don't know when this is going to stop but I've been so miserable 😢
Ive been on Suboxone for 10 years. How can I taper successfully? The issue for me is bad back pain. I have used this vs opoids as I was being prescribed a ridiculous amount of Opoids at that time, and needed to get off. I was taking 240 Oxy 30's per month, with fyntenal 100 micrograms per hour patches as well. So I decided to quit and get off that crap. The point is that I am tired of this medicine. I want to stop
Oh, my current dosage is 2 films 8mg/2mg per day. I just want to be clear, the pain is bad, and I get a nasty sensation up my spine if I don't have medication to help block that. That's the absolute worst! Probably the reason I've never been able to do it.
I have issues with my lower back its called degenerative disk disease, stenosis n I 4get the other name so iv been on methadone for a few yrs then got off it by switching to suboxone but now I have been on a taper for years to get off suboxone it takes me 3 weeks to use a 8mg strip I just cut it but I can't stop the lil tiny pieces. So I choose to get back on pain pills short term to get over the suboxone withdrawals. I'm on day 6 n its going good till I heard that the withdrawal from suboxone lasts more than a month for ppl that have been on it for years so I do notice still bad withdrawal symptoms with out the pain pills so I got weeks to go still.. had I known about the long time of withdrawal I would have just stayed on pain pills since that withdrawal was the lesser of the 2 evils... in my humble opinion ❤
In my case suboxone actually caused me to have really bad back pain. It crept up on me and I spent months and many doctors appointments figuring that out. That's why I want off. Suboxone has also made me very depressed and unmotivated to do even the things i used to love. You gotta taper slow, months sometimes for each step. 😢
I am on 0.4 mg twice a day and need to jump off but it’s still got a solid hold on me, I just need to be brave and do it
I still had bad restless leg, etc. I cut down to a tiny sliver for over 5 months. I did get off, but I got a prescription for chlonidine to help.
I'm tapering from 8mg strips. How did you taper so low?
@@shannonmichael74 try taking b4 you need to be productive i wake up a lil earlier take it fall back asleep then it will kick in when u wait to you feel bad or have to get going to take it u take more but when I take it a lil earlier then the time I wake up its already starting to kick in and I need less take and allow it to start being affective
Almost there! Keep weening! You got this!
I am now almost 5 months free and it took all of 5 months to beat the insomnia but I am finally free
Ive been sitting here sometimes space out thinking so much of playing out my life in my mind . After ive smoked to take some sorta edge off but still damn . Why did i do what all ive done ? This shit is batshit crazy yall , why would they put that ingredient in suboxone to do people like this though? Damnnnn . And ive gotta work like this and its actual hard work! Ill never use shit ever again
Suboxone question. Should i spit or swallow (haha okay) the liquid after it dissolves? I heard rumors the naloxone effects you but idk?
Spit never swallow. It can give you stomach pains and headaches badly. Because its not designed for the bloodstream.
I spit
I feel like a big baby. I’ve been in 2mg for a year and scared to stop. From what ppl are telling me, I should have withdrawals from 2mg. The highest I ever got was 6mg . Down to 4mg a year later then down to 2mg a year after that. Anyone have experience going cold turkey off 2mg Buprenorphine? There isn’t anything lower to go down to
Don't do it. Get down lower.
@@s.p.8870 I can’t. I’m on the dissolvable pill so the lowest is 2mg. To small to cut
Get down lower. In prison i was doing 1 miligram and a half a day and when i didn't get it i would have really bad withdrawals. With suboxone, i dont think it matters how much u are used to. Ur gonna withdrawl. Im now on 8mg a day but im gonna start to taper off tomorrow. Also alcohol helpa the withdrawl symptoms lol
If you can get 4mg films they come huge. You can cut them down to. 5mg. That's the lowest you can go.
Whsts the rist and would it even to be worth tradeing methadone for suboxon...or if you take the time to get suck and go trow it wouldn't you be just hurting your self I am really confused cuz insurance is stopping rides to the methadone clinic so i went with out for a week at 120 i stoped cold trucky should i just get off to get off
Honestly the potential negative side effects of suboxone... it sucks if you're one of the people it creeps up on. In my case after 6 months I had severe back pain, major depression and anhedonia. The world was black and I was grey. If you could stay methadone i would.
I’m really glad I found this Chanel ! I work in Recovery Housing and I honestly feel Suboxone is a life saving medication and it has given people they’re lives back . That being said, there is nothing wrong with staying on the medication and living your best life !
This has side affects also long term . I’ve been on it since 2006
And lowers testosterone and Sperm count as well. Today was my first day not taking it and I’m freaking out thinking about what’s coming
@@buddylicious23 well I'm sorry about that. I just know that I have personally witness zero relapse with those taking it.
@@tammyfuson2343 what are the side effects? Not heard if this ?
I’ve been on 7 years and developed atrial fibrillation of the heart. My body feels unhealthy and deteriorating
I'm on 8mg and don't feel it working for me
I would like to take buprinorphine but it is too expensive, my insurance will not cover this it’s 2022 now.
I would love to watch this conversation/video, but damn! The background noise is driving me CRAZY. It sounds like there are kids playing in the background.
The key to get off of suboxon is taking it once a day at the same time and it's not easy but it makes it easier to go down .when going off it's going to be crazy all the old thoughts come back so go back on a small dose.the next time you go off it we'll be much easier that first real bad withdrawal only happens once .Going in a 7 to 14 detox center would be best for this transition. The next 8 month everything gets better. There is just no easy way out but worst of it really isn't that long .Good luck it's a battle.
I think you're right I noticed I can take the smallest dose like to mg three or four times a day five times a day and I'll be fine but if I took a just a big 8 dose then a couple hours later I feel like I needed more
@@grymgaming5541 that’s all physiological. It’s long half life and dose makes one not even feel multiple doses.
I think anything beyond 8 mg is insane.
@@grymgaming5541takes 90 minutes to get the full effect so to say you take 80 mg and 2 hours later feel like you need more it either has not fully kicked in or it's 100% in your head and you just feel the need to use something consistently.
When you can get back to me but my question is how can I make my doctors at the suboxone clinic understand I want to tapper off I’ve mentioned it and they I feel like forcing me to stay on it and I don’t want to be i mentioned it like 3 times already and still they won’t I’ve been on it for like 10 years and need to get off I feel like it’s a crunch and my sponsor recommended me to get off
I can manage most wds, the exception being restless leg. I am taking clonidine, and some loperamide for poopies. I had to take some sub it was a tiny amount to sleep last night due to the restless leg and arms both feel like there are ants crawling in my skin. I also get strong electrical surges in my brain every time this happens. During the day I am doing pretty well other than mood swings, tearing up, and yawning a lot. I also get some aches and pains but there manageable. There is also some depression at times but its very mental possibly due to feeling all my emotions coming back. Before I would just take sub almost like a kill switch. Now I have to actually process these emotions, it can be something as simple as you need to eat something healthy, or be social, or focus on romantic relationship. Subs would mask most of these feelings.
I tapered off suboxone back in 2011 with no problem inwas doing a lot of 80mg oxy cotton
How did you taper how long was you taking it
How
Dude I’ve been on it for 3 years and I feel like I’ll never be able to get off
I'm thinking this person is lying because they won't explain how
@@Aprilann871 it’s easy all you need is to stop using 12-15 hours once you feel even a little withdrwal I took half a 8mg and it worked took the other half and all was good I have come on and off them few times now if your using fentynal at all I can’t help you there half life is long and never tried and don’t say I’m lying when I’m the one who did it many times I used oxy 80z a lot the real prude ones back in the day use to have a guy with a script 100 every month it’s not hard unless you have used other stuff street oxy has benzo and fent now just so you know I’m Canadian have a great day don’t judge someone when you don’t know his story I perfectly got takes down doses no withdrawal at all then after. While did it again. End of story sorry for the punctuation but that comment really got to me
Saben de ayuda en español? Por favor, alguien en Mesa Az
Hi I'm on 5ml subeytex I'm dropping my self 1ml every week and iv had no withdrawals wen do you think I'm going to start to get ill
How did it go when you tapered all the way down? I’m tapering from less than 1mg and not sure how to proceed.
@@geomanko4142just starting to taper myself and not sure how to cut these up and take. Are you doing well now? Saw that your comment was from a year ago
TV on in background, kids, so hard to hear over them.
9:30a.m. video this my first time on link with you guys. However, I'm on first sublicade shot and want to know if after this shot if I don't want another shot would my withdrawals be severe or no withdrawals?
The steps dont work for everyone
Please do continue the same subject next week!
Sir I have huge appreciate for your experience with your information I
Can you do a video on vaping I used it to quit. Smoking I also think it helps me stay away from H and hard I have been clean about a year and a half thanks to vaping and Suboxone
I started vaping 9 years ago. I was at 24 MG of nicotine for 8 years. Then I decided to taper. Each time I'd go buy a new bottle of juice I'd 2 taper 2 mgs. It's was super easy. I'm now down to .5 MG of nicotine. I haven't jumped yet but I'm going to after I stay a week at .25 mgs.
The judgment is going to kill me every time I’ve tried to start Suboxone I’ve backed out painfully and gone through with drawl because people are so judge mental and they have no problem being verbal and vocal at me about it I don’t understand why when I start Suboxone people can’t be happy for me and you’re doing the right thing and scared both times I was attacked by everyone around me Kaiser professionals the worst they attacked me the worst
That's crap. I went on 16 years ago and tapered off in November. Suboxone gave me a NEW life.
Dang this is rough
Self care is critical, too many off us rely on the suboxone to get us through similar to when using opiates. You , we are more important than , we. Deserve sleep , Eaton a
I'm not sure if they ever fix the echo problem but the problem is his voice is playing through doctor be computer and then Dr B computer is recording software is picking the his voice up
He needs a better mic. Plus he needs to wear headphones. He is getting feedback in the mic.
I would like to know, if I’ve been off the subs for a month, & then took 1 , 0.4 tablet, is that going to ruin my progress? I took a 0.4 yesterday & worried that it’s put me right back.
since you have been off 2 month and u decided to use again the biggest problem is that you have relapsed even if u only took 1 pill, it started a new routine, and the bigest danger is your second pill wich will follow a patern i doubt u will get withdrawals, but your mind allowed you to use again
It will wake up the addiction. And you will just want more and more until you're back to being actively addicted again. But if you learn from this and have no more it's not done any damage.
Thank God , that was the last I took
@@Peaceshiet812 So you have been good since then? How has your life changed?
Due to the uneven distribution of the components, buperenorphene/naloxone,cutting strips below 2mg becomes more inaccurate.Manufactures statement.
I believe that, that’s probably why my doctor at the Suboxone clinic said they don’t go below 2 mg and if I am going to self taper below that they’re still going to prescribe 2 mg a day till I’m off… I self tapered on the 2 mg strips all the way down to .25 MG and then jumped off withdraws not that bad the withdraws were worse when I went down from 1 mg to .75 and then .50 that was the worst granite I only spent four days at each of the levels so from 1 mg till I was off was only 12 to 13 days
@@Carv97 Likewise.Took near a yr.Went down to .25mg,though in retrospect I was in partial withdrawal I suspect for much of my taper. Longer the better in my case.Hadn't used for yrs helped greatly,and never being issued Visa for Thailand evermore.....🙄
Please repeat
How to do a successful methadone taper would be a good topic. It's so hard to come off the last little bit.
O.M.G. I took my last 2mgs if methadone 3 weeks ago and man the RLS, the pain in my back and legs( 3 back operations) i was at my pain Dr today and will now be tapering off oxycodone 7.5 x3 a day. The sneezing, the bone pain, feeling lazy. I wish you the very best. I tapered off 3 months no nausea though. God bless .
I spent a year plus tapering off 40mgs, jumped off at 1mg and spent the best part of the following year in paws.
@@boganshazz821 I believe it. That's why I had to go back up after getting down to 3mg.
Get down to 30mg of methadone and switch to suboxon go on 16mg and when you are Honeymoon phase of the suboxon you can drop mg fast .Much easy to ween off but still very hard at the end .once I switch to suboxon it took me 4 months to be free.
@@devin7863 I wish that's what I did but I was in "that" mindset. There's not enough help or knowledge. Thankfully our states drug program has past and current addicts involved in peer programs with some monetary compensation.
It's a great idea though slowed by covid.
This may a well be called “How we keep people on suboxone FOREVER”
I agree at times
Seriously!
@@kbuhs13 Are you kidding? Because people want OFF Suboxone, it’s a hideous, soul sucking drug and they should totally be encouraged & helped to do that. This video is titled “How to taper without withdrawals” but instead is a classic example of the language doctors use to keep people on this crap. It’s not about tapering! It’s makes me furious... & now they’re shooting people up with subs to drip feed them a constant steady supply of the drug.. that ain’t no life my friend.
@@essenseflame6097 Reported. Don’t need this negative stuff go troll somewhere else thanks
@@kbuhs13 LOL, what? This is my post from weeks ago. You’re the one trolling. 😂
I didn't watch the video but the title is a complete lie 100%.
Ive been on subs for 10yrs i went down to 1mg a day and every 2 days and still had a month long withdrawal after being on 1mg a day for 3 months.
Kratom is how i was able to stop thats it!
1mg a day is still high for a taper…
Very
What's kratom?
@@Weather_Nerd then I went 1mg ever other day tho.
And yes I did end up taking less then 1mg also.
It just depends on how much u are taking and for how long that's it.
It was actually easy to stop with the kratom wish I had it 15yrs ago to stop.
@@loribenintendi5843 just look it up its helping tons of people get off opiate heroin whatever.
It's a plant from Asia related to the coffee tree when u eat the leads it has acoloids that make you feel like u are on opium but it's not opium.
And kratom is alot easier and safer just to stop because its organic natural and just the way to go if u want to stop drugs.
Keep yalls mics turned down and montior vol down will solve that found yall through TH-cam from tic to
Thank. You
I'm stuck on 1 8mg suboxone a day. Past three years or more i been taking just 1. I'll take a piece of it throughout the day. Yeah I should try to tapper off.
Please do this again. I'd like to hear about the shot for getting off. I've heard others are having success with 1 shot and done?
There were no study’s done on getting off it by the actual makers of the shot (unbelievable!), so doctors don’t really know Jack. I think the only people that can give genuine advice about it are those that have done it but they seem as easy to find as 🦄’s . My feeing is that ultimately it’s just another maintenance drug, just longer lasting, being advertised & hailed as a miracle to get people of opiates.. exactly the same as Suboxone was.
@@essenseflame6097 that's what I'm thinking. Asked Dr and he's tapering me. I also found a bunch of success stories on reddit. We're getting off this shit!
@@shannonmichael74 💪🏼🙏🏻🌈
@@shannonmichael74 Hope you’re doing well hun. I’m 12 days off today & doing great! Was definitely hell but I was fully prepared for it! Never going back ✌🏼 ..my doctor didn’t support me & wanted me instead to get the bupe shot! ‘Anyone’ reading this that’s being brainwashed by a doctor, please believe in yourself, you deserve a good life..You deserve to be free! Much love & strength to all ❤️
Herion .. its the beast of drugs
Now I’m right here back in the same seat this time learned it’s all mixed with Damn benzo
I’ve been on suboxone for 7 years. I’ve developed atrial fibrillation of the heart. Now it’s gonna be hard to get off without possibly dying. I’m a single father and don’t know what to do 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Are you going okay? I have heart issues and diabetes
You're not gonna die. Taper down to .5mgs. Insomnia sucked but you can do it.
@@Nyxie_onpaws have not got off because of fear. Did you develop heart problems while on suboxone?
@@rickp3753 maybe you missed the part of having heart failure. How long we’re you on ?
@@ghostofneworleans4511 16 years i took 8mg films
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anyone know how to deal with depression related to suboxone? I've developed serious depression after getting on it but am afraid to come off completely.
Long term bupe causes depression but we don't realise when we're on it how badly it affects us.
Now withdrawing its hard but I'm starting to get glimpses of real happiness and joy again that I haven't felt in years. Its not linear though but I'd get off that crap if I were you.
@@angusyates828 I did, switched to a low dose of methadone and I'm a new person, never felt worse on that stuff I was told by the so called professionals that it wasn't a side effect and to treat the depression with other medications. I got off them too. will be off it all completely now soon. Amazing there's not more about this we can't be the only ones who suffered like this.
I Just Wanted To Say Thanks So Much For Your Help In The Last Pill Ive Gotten Away From Yay ! Thanks So Much Dr,
Taking vivitrol will send you - if your on subs! Don’t do it! I was hallucinating and blacked out
Why would you be on both? Your doctor messed up
Sound took this video before I got out of the clinic
Yeah, good luck with that
Hi sir u best
The background noise is unbearable
What a terrible sound, kids in the background, echo... I can't focus on it!
Been on sub for years what is reduction dosage ? I want off these
I been on for 7 years. Now I got heart arrhythmia. Now I’m scared Ima die if I try to get off😢😢😢 scared. I’m a single father and can’t leave my daughter
I want to come off of Suboxone so Bad!
You can do it, I am on day six off of Suboxone after being started on 16 mg for the last 2 1/2 years go down 2 milligrams at a time with doctors guidance, And then when you get down to 4 mg you go down 1 mg a month and then when I got down to 2mg i went down .5 mg for six days then down another .5 mg for another five days Then .75 .50 .25 four days at each of these… During this time. You don’t feel great but it’s not nearly as bad we overthink it and make it seem so much worse in our minds and this is not my first time coming off Suboxone last time I jumped off at 4 mg and it was the worst withdrawal I’ve had in a long time but doing it in the steps I just talked about works great have your doctor give you something for the stomach cramps and some clonidine for the restlessness and you can get off of it I believe in you!!
I tapered as much as I could and withdrawal was no where near as bad as I thought. Don't be afraid. Good luck
Taper taper taper
You can do this.
hi dr b i have been on methadone for 3 years now from about 6 years use of percocet prescribed by my doctor, i havent taken a pill in 3 years with no cravings i am now on 0,5ml of methadone or 5mg, my doctor wanted to switch me to suboxone once i get to 20mg but i continued till now, since im already this far what would be the best approach to finishing off my taper should i continue the taper or switch , i noticed that my plateux is 5mg i have a feeling once i get to 3mg i will lose my energy to go to work, would it be best to go cold turkey at 3 mg or just fight the withdrawals for a few month going down 1mg at a time, i just needed a second opinion thank your dr b
If you're plateauing at 5, stay there for at least another month or two. When you feel yourself being comfortable and think you're ready to taper again, wait another 2 weeks. Then go down to 4. Stay on 4 for another month or two. If you slow taper like this, you'll end up eventually on 1, and should stay there for at least a month until you try and stop the 1. It truly is the best and most comfortable way.
@@amber76OH at 19mg i felt sick but i went back up to 21 then tapered 1 mg every 2 week, to be honest i havent felt any withdrawals yet after 19 and im at 5mg, im just listening to my body and going down 1 mg every 2-3 weeks
@@danielcyr6489 yes! So happy to hear that. For sure the hardest taper is from 5 on down, so listening to your body is key. I got impatient around 4, and started tapering 1 a week from there, but that caused a bit of pain. If I did it again I'd definitely do 1 a month instead of a week. Congratulations on your achievement! It's such a badass, extremely hard accomplishment, but we are proof it's possible!
Don't switch....just kick.....subs are very tricky...it sound like a smaller amount of opiates....bit it's actually more going from 5mgs methadone to 4 mgs Suboxone would be like going back to 25 or 30 on methadone......0.1 percent of a milligram actually fills 60 to 70 percent of your opioid receptors. Suboxone is a trick to get you back up....you are doing great and 5 mgs should not be too bad....just put your faith in God and make it happen ......I am currently on day two of my cold turkey Suboxone kick from 8 mgs......I wish I never switched.....was down to 10 methadone.
NO SUBS....your very close I agree w the 3mg statement
His mic is picking your voice up and vice versa
Just so you know, yes, there is an ECHO! And it also sounds like yall are watching television!
So ill say goodnight
Can’t rely on suboxone for anxiety, past trauma.it’s best to have talk therapy.whatever negative feelings on any particular day , it is transient, it Will pass even if you have no suboxone.
Sounds like there’s other people talking!!!!
Distracted by the kids constant chattering in the background and the echo issue. Just address the title: "How to taper without withdrawals."
Excellent video, but honestly, the kid made it hard to concentrate on what was being said.
What is with the yelling kids in the background??!!?
Spent the first 6 min talking about feed back. By, by.
This is commen junkie knowledge on how to ween down. We all know how difficult it is.its literally if we want to or not.
You guys talked for over 7 minutes without even answering the question
For a guy that is such a pro with Suboxone, I find his tapering guide WAY TOO EXTREME/FAST. He advised that guy that he should cut one of his 8 mg doses in half?! Do you know how hard that is? A 4 mg drop just like that? Smh I thought you knew better Dr B. Especially with a guy that admitted that he sometimes abuses (takes more than prescribed) and sometimes goes a day without using. That guy needs to handle his stress in life in other ways instead of taking more suboxone or he'll never be able to taper because any discomfort will make him take
You have to look at the overall daily dose though. Yes if he was only taking 8mg daily, then a 4mg drop would be too much. But going from 24mg daily to 20mg daily is barely noticeable.
@@briannestokes5190 exactly right!! Dr.B knows what he is doing!
@@briannestokes5190 did you read the entire post? The guy struggles and sometimes even takes more than his prescribed 24 mg and the Dr suggests cutting 4 mg out. That's not going to work for that patient, it's too aggressive a strategy
I was referring to when patient is stable on dose. Did you listen to the whole conversation, bc I know it was a little hard to hear...
Being on drugs for 30 years the methodone and suboxon forced me to take the time for my brain to heal .There no fast fix take the time when your body and mind are ready you well be able to ween off .I believe the most important thing listen to your body and try to train your self only to take your meds once a day at the same time everyday.which means every morning counting the minutes to take it but eventually your body well adapte to this its gets easier.I found splitting my mg up during the day that I would end haveing more withdrawals just at different times .It took me years to heal .That's what we are doing healing .So time and mental work and we can heal .Just like you can reverse type 2 diabetes if you change your whole world and how eat .once you beat addition you are in a group that beat one of the hardest illness. The only people that really understand are other addicts. So being sober is hard the work to stay clean never ends .To help heal my mind I listed to audio book on TH-cam called the Master Key psychology book might not be for everyone. It's sure answered a lot of questions I had been thinking about .
This guy is the WORST addiction specialist I have ever seen on you tube.
How long do you have to wait before starting subxone if you are taking fentanyl
I hear other people, children and a male voice
WORSE VIDEO EVER! Yes, I'm complaining about the noise Dr. B's children were making and yes I have children. Couldn't you keep them active in another room or even outside until you completed this video. I can't believe that you actually have patients on 40mgs of Suboxone. The only person who made any sense in this video was Nicole and I thank her so much for tapering off, which I thought this entire video was about. Onto another video that can really help me.
I think these pills taste nasty and I hate them . I’ve been taking a half a pill for awhile . Getting ready to break half in half and start skipping days !!
HORRIBLE VIDEO...CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING WITH ALL THE BACKROUND NOISE!
Dr B looks very handsome. Cool ..
so darn noisy.
Dude bad feedback can’t listen to this echo chamber
Get to the point. You always yap way too much about irrelevant matters
👍 park rangers!
Get to the point already
If you guys are gonna try a TH-cam video live stream
please try and get your sh*t together regarding the presentation.
You don’t have to be a professional studio to put out a decent video.
Kids in the room ? C’mon
I’ve been on suboxone for 3 years and started tapering 8 months ago. I went from 8-4-2 with no wd yet. So my doc wants me to go from 2-1 next then 1 to off. I feel like that’s too big of a drop from 1 mg but he’s saying that’s all they can do. I feel like he just doesn’t want me to come off so he’s gonna force me to wd and get back on. Anybody jump off at 1 mg?
No. I cut strips down to one half mg. I went down to .25 mg but that was too little and I started having mild symptoms after 4 days.
@@rickp3753 How long did the wd last for you?
Following
@@triggerwarning2982 I didn't suffer from acute withdrawal. I had insomnia and some sneezing but nothing like being dopesick. It was challenging but not too hard. I have 105 days and am free.
@@rickp3753 That’s what’s up bro, glad to hear it. For me insomnia is the worst part.