You won't get sick if you take your time as advised by Dr. Starr. It's tedious but more effective. Staying physically active helps. A lot. Have a decent day!
It's ridiculous how "medicines" help with something & hurt you in another way. It makes anyone hate pharmaceuticals. The withdrawal symptoms of Suboxone are just as bad or worse than coming off from any other hard medication. So what's there to alleviate?. It's disgusting and a horrible vicious cycle, Not to mention the horrible side effects? Eye sight loss and blurred vision 😮
YES, so glad you mentioned the shots. I was on Suboxone from 2011 until 2021, beginning at 32mg eventually going down to 8mg. I had really just expected to be on it for life, but moved to Australia where you have to go to a methadone style clinic which was unbareable for me, so I finally got off it with sublocade injections. Two months of 300mg, one month of 100mg and I didn't even notice any withdrawls for the most part. Out of sight, out of mind. It's kind of like when i was using, i could be sick as a dog, eyes watering, yawning, bubble guts and muscle pains while waiting on a phone call or for my connect to show up. But as soon as they did and I had it in my hand, the symptoms almost all went away, my mind was at ease, i had my stuff and was gonna be ok, so i stopped feeling bad. My hands would even stop shaking so i could prepare my injection (other addicts ive talked to have experienced the same thing) Sublocade felt like perhaps the same phenomenon. By it not being a daily pill taking ritual, by not worring about what time it is, can i take it yet, how much can i take next time, just getting the shot that i know will keep me well, i lose the "ritualistic" aspect of suboxone addiction. I dunno if that makes any damn sense.
Dude what is with the yawning watery eyes man!?! That and restless legs were always my only real symptoms from opioid withdrawal (obviously aside from immense pain all over). But when I was on tramadol for 6 years and now suboxone for the last 5!! I take my 3/4 strip in the am then by 8 or 9pm (13-14 hrs later) I get terrible yawns and watering eyes as my withdrawal symptoms kick on. It’s after that little strip that I begin to feel better from it. I’ve always been so mind boggled by that physical withdrawal symptom 😭
@@permabulk1454 hate it so much.. I’ve gotten myself down to 1/16 of 8mg strip over the years and i have 4 tiny peices left and im gonna try to get rid of it for good. But just like you say every night and eariler every night too as I’ve tapered to such a low dose. Im just worthless. Just wanna sit on the couch and shake and yawn, eyes watering, with insane fucking racing thoughts I can’t control. People have told me the half life on suboxone is so long I shouldnt be withdrawing by 24 hours. Well idk if it because going from injecting 16mgs of suboxone to taking 1/16mg the right way over the past years but yeah by evening im dead. And if I don’t take that 1/16 dose and try to skip a day im completely worthless. Hope we can get through this shit
@@permabulk1454 I have no idea. Needing to poop after getting clean was a trigger because I subconsciously thought I was going into withdrawal. As for restless legs, man, I’ve had scabs from rubbing them in the she sheets so much. The other symptoms they never talks about is lasting about 0.3 seconds during sex after getting clean for the first year or so. That’s a fun one.
@@danklabz4204 I know it’s so hard when it comes to insurance and such (I did it after moving to Australia where cost wasn’t an issue, but stupid ass laws about going into a pharmacy every single day to get suboxone were), but Sub injections really were physically and especially psychologically so much easier. No thinking about dose or times, just a shot and off you go. Really made it easier.
This Suboxone is more troubling than they've ever let on. I kicked methadone in 2003 and it was incredibly difficult. It took a good 6 months to feel human again but this Fckn Sub is almost too much I don't know if I come off this garbage. It steals all your testosterone which means you're in a compromised state trying to withdrawal. Just a nightmare, I wish I had tapered off pills instead.
I started at 12mg buprenorphine and went down 2 every 3 months until I got to 6. Then I was doing 1/3 of a 6mg strip per day and finally 1/4 of a 6mg strip per day. I took my last buprenorphine 12 days 8 hours ago. You don't know how it affects you until you quit buprenorphine. I finally took the time to look at my life before ALL opiates and realized the lethargy that took over on the meds. In 12 days, i suddenly want to be around people. I suddenly like music again. I like driving my car. Going on walks. Enjoying horror movies. I can honestly say, after days of hell, that buprenorphine literally changed who i am.
It’s so weird you say that but literally since I started taking it 3 years ago my interest for music is gone. For the 3rd time tonight I’ve sworn it off that I’m gonna go cold turkey. My goal is 7 days. If I can make it too that point I can beat it. But having to work in between and keep my life going is the hard part
OMG that's so true. Suboxone just makes you not care about having fun. Fun felt like a lot of work on Suboxone. I literally lived in a 4 bedroom 2 storey house all by myself for years and never had visitors because Suboxone made me not fun. So glad to be off. My dog gets extra walks. I have energy. I can experience happiness again.
@@joshcrossen22 Took me a while to find this reply. Sorry for that. Make sure you taper off. Cold turkey is a real bitch with this stuff. Also, be prepared to be amazed at how long the WD effects last. Focus the feelings at anger towards the medication. Worked for me anyhow. Honestly just now starting to feel normal. I hope you have great success! If you can find someone that understands what you are going through, that will help too.
Down to 1/4 a day. It’s been very difficult. I work a very demanding job and I’m a single father of three. The overwhelming anxiety is the worst part and the insomnia.. good luck to everyone
Okay-been off and on for 10 years...switched from 4mg suboxone to 4 mg bupenorphine daily. Thankfully the Hand of Jesus Christ our God is on me, so I went from 4 mg to roughly 1 mg per 24 hours.....im 3 days into that and experiencing strong withdrawal, cant sleep more than 2-3 hours at night and 1-2 hours during day, not eating too well (but havent since suboxone period) and only been 3 days on my 4mg to 1mg jump. But I pray as I type these words that God does not let go, I want off, and even if I have to be sick like this for weeks I will get off this stuff! Will try to come back with an update on my journey. God bless you all and he is the answer to all of this, remember him!
Thanks for asking! This has been a big fight, I'm at about .4 mgs a day. Hoping to be finished with in 2 weeks, maybe less. God has been patient and loving through this, as I have undoubtedly chastised myself again and again. With Christ, anything is possible. God bless you!@@danradke98275
@@arthur-qm8qs still working at it! taking longer than I expected and hoped, as I'm still taking about .3 mg - .4 mg per day.....but life is good and I'm grateful. It doesnt weigh me down the way it was before. I have energy, get up 6 am bed at 1030ish....thank you Jesus!
I'm on day 2 of 0.125mg right now. Going to go to Day 7 (when I usually stabalize) and then do 0.0625mg for a couple more days before I stop for good. I'm so excited to be done with this months-long taper
Hey how is it going for you?? I failed over and over from going too fast. Currently down to half a milligram and plan on slowly continuing to taper until I can't cut a piece any smaller .062mg? What was your method or did you modify anything when you got down to below half a milligram? Really hope to hear back from you hard to find any good answers on this. And congratulations!
@@sniper1444 yeah I’m curious if he jumped off them too. I been on subs for 2 months at 12mg I’m down to 8mg a day I want off of these asap but like my DR said you were on pain meds for 20 Years just take your time and taper slowly I want to be off them by January my bday month. I was on methadone for 15 years. His long have you been on subs and at what MG?
I've been prescribed 16 mgs for 14 years. I've been detoxing mystery. Now, I take a 1/2 dose, 4mgs twice a week. I start to feel sick by the 4th day and so thats just how I've been doing it. I'm just kinda doing this myself and I want to surprise him. I hope he will be happy about this???
Sounds like you were doing good I hope you made it off! I'm new on subs but have been on them before. Knowing how brutal it was the first time makes me really worried. I'm just going to stabilize on it first before thinking about tapering. I usually try to go too fast and end up failing.
Nothing compared to methadone withdrawal thoe ..... ughhhh well fetenayl was worse as far as intensity but it was just the length of how long methadone withdrawal lasted
@@andrewdiolosa3861 Andrew. I don’t doubt it. Was it a month long? My next question would be, why in the hell did you jump from methadone? Of all drugs to not jump from there is Suboxone and methadone. Especially with the ability to tape from both of those I don’t understand why you did that?
I just got out of treatment and my sober living is owned by the treatment. They messed up on my order and I am without for 2 days now. I’m on 8 in the morning and 8 at night. It’s miserable. It has really made me want to taper off in case for some reason I can’t get it. Thank you for this very helpful info.
I’ve been on subs for 7 years. I’m have no access to pills anymore and have never done heroin or fentanyl. My doctor is my drug dealer now. I can’t wait to taper off. I’m almost off benzos too
I got hooked on Subs buying them off the street because at first, I could take a TINY piece and catch a strong buzz for HOURS. After 2-3 years, I can put over an entire strip under my tongue and feel NOTHING except side effects. I’m starting my taper tomorrow morning. I hope ur doing well.
Happy to report three weeks off of Suboxone and when I taper down to .25 and then cut off , it was not nearly as bad as I thought it was… The fatigue and diarrhea were the worst but I was still able to function!!(about a week of messed up stomach not any worse than it was tapering from 1MG down to .5 )The fatigue lasted about two weeks I still have some of it but I was almost in a pink cloud again like I was new to recovery emotions were strong happy and sad but I had a new found faith for my call 12step programming! Don’t let others scare you… you can do this!!
@@Carv97 Hi there. I am a senior, 75 years old, but pretty healthy, and have been on subutex for years now, but I recently cut down a great deal and I want off of this stuff. I would love to know how you are doing now because if you are still clean, it would give me such joy and enthusiasm. I am now on 5 mgs. and I am going to slowly cut down, as the doctor in the video suggested. I take subutex in pill form and I know my inept clinic will not help me change to something else or give me any good or sane advice about cutting down properly. I will probably be breaking 2 mg. tablets into four sections and jump off completely at .25, just as you did. Can you give this old lady any advice at all as how to proceed now from the 5 mgs. I am on. I once took 24 mgs. of this stuff, but cut down to 16 mgs. pretty early on. After that I just cut down here and there. Now, I am serious about getting off of it and I feel determined, but I am a bit scared. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Just wait until you're sick, take , the smallest amount to feel normal, repeat you'll notice the returning symptoms are lighter. Key is, let yourself have at least 2 or 3 withdrawal symptoms you can bare, and wait to dose again. Clonidine in between doses, then repeat until done. Or substitute every other dose with a dose of kratom, it'll go faster.
@@matthewwillis2389I think what he's saying by taking it every other day is allowing the Suboxone to leave your body... I don't know if I would take it for anything more than a week or two though just to help get through the initial
@matthewwillis2389 from what I gather and I've never tried kratom, is that there is no guidance in any way. The serving suggestions are from Clowns that don't have fda approval. People get in too deep. I feel kratom could be used if you microdosed it and never splurged. You can't stay on it either or you will screwed. There has to be a fine line somewhere
I am so interested in sublocade! My doctor said that because I am at 1.3mg the sublocade injection wouldnt help me, but I can not get any lower than 1.3mg. My life is at such a standstill and I need to completely get off suboxone.
24mg is wayyy too high of a dose. No offense but your doctor doesn’t know wtf they’re doing. It’s mostly mental above 8mg bc many studies have shown 99% opiate receptor binding at just 4mg.
I'm an ready to quit. I've been on it for years, but something over this past year has changed. It starting giving me the worst feelings ever each time I take it. Add to that it started giving me anxiety attacks, and keep in mind, I've never had them. It was 100% a chemically induced anxiety. Over the past 6 months I cut my dose from 16mg a day, down to 8mg a day, 4mg, etc. I'm now down to cutting each 8mg strip into 8 pieces. I take 1mg every other day just to keep the withdrawals away, and that's barely enough but works. It's a horrible place to be trapped. If I take it, It makes me sick, anxiety, and just feel horrible. If I don't take it, withdrawals. If I'm going to have to suffer either way, I'd rather quit.
@Tloc111 it's so strange. I honestly think it's the naloxalone, that 2nd ingredient they put in it to keep people from sh00ting it. They say it doesn't get in your system but I 100% believe over time small amounts of the naloxalone are absorbed, and that sick feeling and crazy anxiety are from precipitated withdrawals. The same thing that would happen if someone tried to sh00t it. I say this because when they gave me the white pills, the ones with no naloxalone, I never have a problem. It's only when it has that other ingredient. I literally hate having to take it. I take the 1mg and only when I absolutely have to. I fkn hate it.
Omgggg I'm feeling the same!!! Anxiety isn't bad but just that sick feeling! I used to feel so good and yes get some high but this last 4-6 months had sucked! In my opinion they aren't making the subs the same way, maybe cutting more naloxne vs bupe...either our bodies got so used to it or they're making it differently. Either way I went from 8mg to 6mg and I'm on day 5 of 3mg..yesterday was pretty bad but today had been much better. I've started taking an iron pill, working out and eating MUCH BETTER. I can't wait to get all this fucking shit out of me. I plan to be on 3mg for a couple weeks and then drop to 2mg and so on!
SAME HERE. I’ve been taking it for like 2-3 years now, and one day I just started to get SUPER anxious and developed an INSANE level of social anxiety. I HAVE to get off this stuff.
Yes! Go slow & listen to your body. You have to measure doses. I would fold the strips & cut them into doses. I tapered to a tenth of a mg then jumped and it wasn't bad. That tiny speck of suboxone would allow me to sleep at night. I think the longer you taper, that gets the long half life stuff out of you and makes it much more comfortable when you stop. It took almost a year tapering for me. I don't have paws or depression, it's just the sleep that is difficult but it's getting better. Thank you Dr Starr I saw you on Kickin Addiction's channel. 😊
@@kickinaddiction thanks Kev. Much love to you❤ Your channel has a great community and we all help each other. Your livestreams were a huge part in tapering.
@@MrAkaprimetime no. I just didn't want to take any other pharmaceuticals. I would buy THC juice at the dispensary & it would help me sleep but that's it 😊
RX Film Cutting Guide - That's the template we all use to cut our strips and wean down. Ive used it successfully for years. Buy a pack of razor blades and a magnifying glass if you need one. Also, buy a pill container to put your doses in. Then just follow the doc's advice. Wean down slowly. Precision matters when cutting your doses so take your time. Have a calendar to keep track of your progress.
its miserable coming off suboxone. my bottle got throw out on accident by my wife 2 weeks ago and obviously my doctor didn't believe or even if he did he probably couldn't do anything for me. its been 2 weeks im absolutely miserable and my appointment is tomorrow but im not gonna do it, I've come this far i might as well just do it..
@brett3165 pissed? absofuckinglutly I was but my heart of hearts wanted off them. subs made me neutral to everyone and everything around I just didn't care about shit. I didn't go get more subs I'm still fucking sick physically some days and mentally other days. I just kept listening to that lil voice in my head saying "you can do it and this is what you want" so far so good..
Glad you got off em. I was always terrified to go on meth or subs and become addicted to them and be way more stuck on them than i ever was opiates.. subs are great for rapid sub taper though, when I would jump off dope, i'd take 3 or 4 sub doses spaced 24-36 hrs apart, then jump off and you miss the short acting WDs from the dope, but aren't on subs long enough for youre body to be addicted to long lasting bupe. It's actually a hack for witrhdrawals tbh, methadone can work for this method also. Take care, and congrats on getting sober. @@arenam79
@@arenam79My stuff didn't get thrown out but I had another Dr. that moved away and this is the fourth one I've had in five years. I'm so sick of it and don't even wanna deal with getting to know another Dr. I got a month and half supply from her before she left but I'm doing a quick taper and screw dragging it out. I have comfort meds and been staying busy even when I feel like crap. I've quit opioids before and I know a brighter day comes if you can get by one day at a time. Suboxone is a ball and chain.
I was on 24mg dose tapering to 12mg I dropped to 9mgs 6mg morning 3mg at night 5 days if I’m good drop 8mg 8 mg strip then go from there 3 5-days Last time I did this my problem was with Last 4mgs 2-morning 2-night until 2mgs Suboxone is stronger the people realise 2mg.. Note: I believe if your uncomfortable with a drop just stay let your body catch up Even if it’s a longer duration. Caio
Im a year off fentanyl and meth and im now starting to taper off Suboxone im done needing a medication to feel normal and cant wait to get off it completely
I tried kicking subs cold Turkey and it got so unbearable I went back on after 5 days off. Don’t really feel horrible until the 3rd/4th day off it. Don’t know if it’s cuz of my age or what but trying to do this at home didnt work and I was really motivated and committed. Just now finding this doctor here. Seems to be no doctors with any clue how to get off this. But they know how to prescribe it. Seems any detox worth anything cost an arm and a leg $20k +!! I hope I can learn something from this Dr cuz I’m about to try again. I managed to ween down. I cut 8mg strip in half. Then half of that. Then half of that, then I consume half of that and stabilized. I was so eager to be free from this that managed to cut that into thirds and take that but I was getting too irritable around my wife so I went back to that small stabilizing piece. I hope I can learn some thing from here. Seems like this is the only doctor worth his weight in salt with knowledge on how to get free from this. Thanks to anyone with tips to help.
Hey doc can you do a once and for all proper dosing directions video? Do you avoid smoking eating or drinking before or after dosing? How long should we hold the medication in our mouth? Should we brush our teeth after? Should we drink water before? Rinse after? Should we swallow after it’s dissolved or spit? I feel like this would make a really popular video and above all very helpful to all of us trying to better our lives. Please and thank you!
There is evidence of tooth decay from this. So you are correct about brushing. It goes into the mucus membranes in your mouth so The strip needs to dissolve completely it will be 10-15 mins try not to water your mouth or swallow any
@@Carboneye7 I recently read that you shouldn’t brush immediately afterwards because it’s like scrubbing your teeth with acid and will destroy the enamel. Instead wait 30 minutes to an hour before brushing
For personal reasons I don't want to get too into it but I will say that what you're saying is the absolute best recommendation and way to go about it. It almost sounds a bit unorthodox and Wing but to be honest with you I think that's what makes this advice so perfect, it's able to be personalized to any individual wanting to truly come up with this medication rather than generalizing it
I live in Delaware, been on suboxone over 5 years, I take a 12 mg strip a day. Been trying to cut it down and get myself clean and just stopped taking it. The withdrawal is terrible. I finally got a great job and don’t wanna lose it. On my way to work now, I might’ve gotta 20 minutes of sleep and work 10 hours a day. Praying for help. I hate being a drug addict but I hate withdrawal as well. My arms and back muscles twitching throughout the day and night is driving me insane. If anyone has any advice please share I am desperate to try anything
Bro… you CANNOT just quit cold Turkey off of 12mg per day!! 😳. You have to slowly taper!! Take a strip, fold it in half, then cut down the middle. Repeat with the 2 pieces you have. Then, just eyeball and cut THOSE pieces in half again. Take one of those little pieces in the morning and let it kick in. If it’s enough to keep withdrawals away, wait as long as u can and take another TINY piece (maybe once in the morning, then once in the early afternoon). You’ll have to see how much will curb the withdrawals. You might have to start with like 6mg in the morning if u can’t handle taking a tiny piece like I said. Each week or 2, you take a smaller piece each time… then make the pieces smaller and smaller every week or 2.
Why aren’t more Drs who prescribe this stuff this educated? I am tapering now and using Quickmd. Most of the Drs are just turn and burn so when I found one that was willing to help me taper,I found it was hard to get that same Dr with regularity. I’m debating whether I need to just try a couple of 100 mg shots. I have been on this medicine for too long now and am down to 3.5-4 mgs. I am always hearing how the last 2 mgs and under are hardest. I am ready to be bupe free already!
For anybody wondering,my outlier case SO FAR has been to go from 30mg/day for years to 24 mg about 4 months ago, dropping down fairly quickly to 4mg/day lately and today I’m one full 24 hour period totally off. I’m going to see how long I can possibly stand with nothing and if I need I’ll get 1mg here or there and use it as necessary. I don’t have time. I have a life altering drug test august 1st so wish me luck.
Just so you know, people with opioid use disorders are protected under the Americans with disabilities act. If you have a valid prescription for this medication, there is no reason for you to "fail" this drug test. If your employer or whomever is administering the test isn't aware of this, make them aware.
@Nikki could be it's some sort of military or law enforcement type of job. Hell, even the ATF decided that anyone who's been prescribed suboxone, methadone, naltrexone or naloxone suffer from an addiction disorder and therefore are never allowed to own firearms. That could end a security guards career.
What matters is your health above anything else! Don’t put demands on yrself you might not be able to meet. I wish u all the luck…im going through it at the mo and it’s a living hell!! As long as you feel strong enough to get through it I’m sure u will, if not then just try and try again…never give up, we can beat this shit!! x
I’m at at 0.5mg (2 months now) and am fully ready to drop to 0.25mg, but the issue here in Niagara, Ontario is only tablets are available. No doctor has been able to give me a reliable answer, but since your taper outline resembles what I’ve done for myself, I feel maybe you could have the mind that might be able to answer this problem. I want to go 0.25 then 0.125 then every 2, 3, 4 days etc, but again can only properly do this by accurately breaking the tabs beyond 0.5mg on a 2mg tab
Try to cut the tablet with a razor. Also, it might be a lot to drop to .25 from .5 mg. I tried that & ended up on .33 mg. It made me feel more stable. Then stepped down to .25mg. I hope you are doing well ❤
@@debwoods5834 it’s funny that you say that, because after trying 0.25 for a few days, my body was telling me how hard it would be to continue that drop for days more in a row. So I’ve been doing the 0.33 (1/6 of a small tablet, and honestly feels a lot closer to taking 0.5 than it does to 0.25, even though it’s closer in dose to the 0.25. So I’m going to continue this slow gradual taper but just adding in 4 weeks at 0.33 before going to 0.25 for a month
@@debwoods5834 and damn, I just broke apart a razor to my suboxone tablet, and could cut into 1/12s a 2mg tablet (0.167mg) with precision and I can definitely foresee splitting it to 1/16s for the 0.125mg now for once! This is major game changer for my circumstances and feel so much more assured in finishing up this last part with accuracy and on schedule with my plan! (Assuming I could find a method to allow me taking consistently these low doses without much variability between each day, & that method I just did find) :)
@@debwoods5834 do you have a direct messaging outlet on some preferred app or whatever? You’re the first person who has directly synonymously explained my exact position since being under 2mg so I feel like our tapers must have been similar or at least since you’ve been where I am now I can ask you questions regarding steps and duration until finally knowing when to get off completely. I want to send you my outline and I want to compare to what your finishing outline was. It would definitely help me beyond belief seeing what someone in my position did to every last detail and give me more confidence knowing getting off it can be done completely. Thank you
Thanks for the post , I kind of went pretty hard and quick , 14-12 then straight to 6 for about a week and then 4 ,5 days later and now 3mg and now feel the need to have to adjust to it for a bit , didn't notice it for the first few days but past 3 days been waking up restless and having to take my 3mg dose right away between 6-7am and have to wait it out for 20minutes to an hour to feel normal , staying on this dose till I adjust to it , and then I think I'll try the 2.5 and then 2 after that then follow how you said it going down 1.75,1.50 1.25 to 1 , , I have strips and understand how to break it down, thanks for the post really helpful
This is still gonna be harsh. I have been going down for about 7 months now. When I was at 4 mg and switched to the 4 mg strips I definitely noticed it being weaker. I’m now just switched to the 2mg strips. I’m alternating 2 to 1.8 1.8 every other day and 2 then I’ll go down to 1.8 then alternate down to 1.5
Down in Cincinnati lol. The suboxone clinics here are a joke tho. I started my 300mg shot last Wednesday to transition from 3 years of 8mg tabs of suboxone daily. At the clinic here they won’t let you get the sublocaid shot if you plan on tapering. Little do they know I’m doing 1 more 300, then 2 100 shots and I’m done
They did this for me in rehab I was sick for 2 weeks only at night it was very strange. But I think they brought me down over a week from 6mgs then 2 weeks of no sleep . And mild wd so slowest is best when dropping off. Sublocade sounds much betterv
Hi Dr. Starr 😊 why didn’t you tell me that you have a TH-cam channel?? I Love watching TH-cam videos. Thank you for taking care of me and my situation. Blessings,Carlos ✝️🙏❤️😊🇺🇸
Everytime ive tried to get help w suboxone i never get anywhwre with it. Docs keep telling me to take paxil or abilify bc i have anxiety. Yes. Of course i do when im withdrawing. The "opiod crisis" is preferred. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if ppl had access to the things they need
****. Listen guys: listen good. If you find that you just can’t jump- even at 0.125 or whatever, don’t beat yourself up. Keep trying if u want but if it ain’t broken don’t fix it!!! All I’m saying is take it easy on yourself if it doesn’t work
I’ve been on 1mg a day for like a year and it was really easy to get there but to get to 1/2 mg a day is a lot harder, which scares me about doing it cold turkey completely. I just did 2 days without it, and realized I had a 1/2 mg in another container so I took it just to take the edge off. Idk guys I’m terrified to quit completely because last I quit the suboxone withdrawals lasted 2-3 months. I’d rather withdrawal off opiates and have a real shitty two days then feeling acute withdrawals for 3-6 months
Thanks for the informative answer. Do you or will you be making a video of (safest way to come of monthly Sublocade injections) My Dr said “you’d need nothing at all! coming off of monthly sublocade injections after being on the lowest dose injections ( 8mg daily equivalent to the strips). That wasn’t the case with me after 4 weeks of withdrawal I couldn’t handle it and asked to go back on feeling like a failure.. it took 2mg to just stop physical symptoms but no energy. 6mgs daily was needed just to feel normal after 4 weeks of detoxifying just shocked me and yes the withdrawals are mild but extremely prolonged whereas on methadone I’d quit from 0.5~0.25mg and I feel better the day i stop compared to taking 0.25mg ( 250mcg ) daily. I read scholarly articles writing it takes 14 minutes for one molecule of buprenorphine to detach from the brain whereas conventional opioids take’s milliseconds to due to its ultra long half life?
Wow that’s some crazy statistics I was one methadone for 15 years I’m on 12mg of subs going on 2 months but I’m tapering down and my Dr doesn’t know I’m at 8-9mg I told him I want to be off then my the new year or by my bday in the end of January. I don’t understand how you got so sick?
PLEASE HELP: I’ve been on suboxone for about 2 years I got myself down to .5 milligrams from 24 milligrams. I started taking .25 the past two days and it has been very hard for me. Would sublocade shots help me an my situation???
@@brian9500 I feel the exact same way man, I been on about 2 weeks on .25 I’m gonna stay at .25 for another 2 weeks than start doing every other day for a week or two an jump off! I’m at the home stretch gotta finish strong! Thanks for the advice brother
I'm seriously contemplating going back on the heroin instead of this failing sublocade while i wait for surgery that could paralyze or kill me. I'm dead if it doesn't help or happen so it's not like it really matters at this point. i'm in so much pain and it's not helping anymore and my suspected rapid metabolizer status is something that could have been established 20 years ago when i just wanted weed and all they would give me is a pill habit.
My problem is all the strips are not the same some strips don't even feel like u took it and then u get one that kicks your ass especially generic are weak
The reason I want to know is I'm on the boxing and marijuana helps me sleep so much. I would really love to be able to at least have the edibles or some form marijuana. It helps me out a lot but some reason my addiction doctor says no I cannot have no marijuana at all
Thank you for this video I’ve been at 8 mgs a day for 2 years now and I wonder what I would feel like if I completely got off of them . Sometimes I feel very robotic and machine like and can’t sit still.. I also smoke marijuana to help me sleep and help me eat because I have no appetite
Even with a slow long drawn out taper, you will cut the acute stage symptoms but it does nothing for the post acute period in my experience. That's where the rubber meets the road. Why doesn't anyone talk about this part?
I think tapering quickly can be dangerous. It may force someone to leave the program and seek opiates. You want to be successful and you made it this far, so take the necessary time to finish properly. I like your style of tapering until stable, then do it again and I think that would be most successful even if it takes 3, 6, or even 12 months.
My Psychiatrist doesn't know i take Suboxone. My current living boyfriend purposely got me use to taking this stuff by telling me something different. Anyway now I am trying to get off of this stuff ASAP so that I can go live with my dad and leave this man for good. I just don't know what to do. Oh he also brought home 3 dogs so that it'll be harder for me to leave him. SMH I want out asap
😭 I'm down to .25 and today is day 2. About 30-some hours since my last dose. I feel crappy and didn't sleep well. Are there typical comfort meds that help get through the restless nights?
I never understood why giving people this high doses, cause the small works the same. But tappering from 2mg its a nightmare. Its i think for someone living working normal life almost impossible. Its like someone is slowly killing all the energy and love to live in you. I just cant do it. I tried many times. Days are hell. Not to tell how humiliaded you feel going from doctor to doctor hoping someone will understand and help, but most they dont...Looking down on you. I am happy i came accross your videos. it gives me hope i can get rid of it one day. Just want to live my life without anything.. Sublocade...its my only hope. But dont know where to find it in Eu
I couldn’t just do ONE dose a day. It only worked for me if I took a tiny piece of a strip TWICE a day. Once in the AM, and once around 3 or 4 pm. Then I was able to taper more effectively.
Thanks DOC. How low mg can the sublocade shot go. My dr suggested belbuca micro grams as an option. I’m on 1mg but on sub for over 12 years. Started at 12mg.
Oh god I want off so badly but I’m so scared !!! I’m on suboxone now because I tried cold turkeying off methadone n honestly felt like I was dying 😩. I just want to wake up in the morning n take NOTHING!! I don’t know if I can do this 😞
You MUST taper if you want to have as little withdrawal as possible. It’s NOT easy mentally because you’re gonna want to take more, but cut your strips in half, then cut those pieces in half, and so on until you get 8 equal pieces (those are 1mg pieces). If you can slowly get down to that amount once a day, it’ll be much easier when you go to stop completely. I do NOT advise you just quit cold Turkey because it’s a nightmare. Just being honest.
So if people do it this way, they don't have no withdrawal. Is that true or no, just curious? I'm terrified to come off this medicine because of the withdrawals. No matter which way it's done thank you god bless
I’ve quit this stuff TWICE (but am currently back on it for the past 2-3 years). The first time, I quit cold Turkey after only taking like 4mg a day for a year or 2…. That was absolutely MISERABLE. I was badly sick for a straight week, followed by like 3-4 weeks of bad depression and anxiety. The 2nd time I quit, I was on it about the same amount of time taking anywhere from 4-8mg per day…. But this time, I tapered off of it over a 2 month period. Got down to like .5 mg for a week or so and jumped, and I was only a little sick over a weekend followed by a little depression for a week or 2… so it was MUCH easier. Now I’m back to square one, about to taper again. This time, though, I take like 8mgs per day and I’ve been on it like 3 years. YOU HAVE TO DO A TAPER AND BE STRICT ABOUT IT. If you can cut back a little bit every week or 2 until you’re down to taking a tiny piece of an 8mg strip, it will be manageable (depending how long you’ve been on it and your dosage). If you quit cold Turkey from where you are now, you will be absolutely MISERABLE for at least a month… I promise you that. So start a taper, and maybe start taking 2 doses a day- morning and then late afternoon (like 2 or 3pm). Experiment and see how little you can take without getting withdrawals, then taper down from there. I’m starting my taper tomorrow. Good luck!!
Dear me from the past, sorry no one answered you as I know you struggled and stressed a lot about all that. You’ll be fine with 2 injections of 300mg, 5 of 100 (could have been less, but they’ll be spaced more and more), 1 of 75 and 1 of 50. You’ll have pain, but you’ll be okay and you won’t have withdrawals. Sincerely, you from the future.
How are you going to know what a 1.5 dose is . I am ready to come off this stuff and have tried so many times but the detox is terrible I have made it 12 days that was the longest I have ever went cold turkey so I figured maybe try the taper thing but I usually use strips I don’t know how you would know the .5s .
So I was on 24 mg a day Weened down to 8mg Then down to 4 mgs But then back up to 8mgs And I’ve been stuck at 8mgs The sublocade shot seems interesting
It’s all mental man. You have to stay disciplined if you’re going to taper. It’s super hard to stay disciplined and only take as little as possible each day tho..
I want to get off but cant bare to get sick. Im gonna do my best to wean off myself with the LORDS help
Good luck
You won't get sick if you take your time as advised by Dr. Starr. It's tedious but more effective. Staying physically active helps. A lot. Have a decent day!
Would love an update on your journey. Hope you are well my friend.
How’s your journey going ? I REALLY WANT to get off subs but I’m having a lot of trouble, good luck !
It's ridiculous how "medicines" help with something & hurt you in another way. It makes anyone hate pharmaceuticals.
The withdrawal symptoms of Suboxone are just as bad or worse than coming off from any other hard medication. So what's there to alleviate?. It's disgusting and a horrible vicious cycle, Not to mention the horrible side effects? Eye sight loss and blurred vision 😮
We DO recover.
Are you addicted
@Only the Family Good question this is a safe place I need to talk to somebody.
@@onlythefamily7856 i was on suboxone for years. A very slow taper is the key
@@discdoggie dude i use to take like three whole subutex pills then went two and a half a day then two then one and now im taking half a pill a day
Damn few of us tho. A dime a dozen don’t make it
YES, so glad you mentioned the shots. I was on Suboxone from 2011 until 2021, beginning at 32mg eventually going down to 8mg. I had really just expected to be on it for life, but moved to Australia where you have to go to a methadone style clinic which was unbareable for me, so I
finally got off it with sublocade injections. Two months of 300mg, one month of 100mg and I didn't even notice any withdrawls for the most part. Out of sight, out of mind. It's kind of like when i was using, i could be sick as a dog, eyes watering, yawning, bubble guts and muscle pains while waiting on a phone call or for my connect to show up. But as soon as they did and I had it in my hand, the symptoms almost all went away, my mind was at ease, i had my stuff and was gonna be ok, so i stopped feeling bad. My hands would even stop shaking so i could prepare my injection (other addicts ive talked to have experienced the same thing)
Sublocade felt like perhaps the same phenomenon.
By it not being a daily pill taking ritual, by not worring about what time it is, can i take it yet, how much can i take next time, just getting the shot that i know will keep me well, i lose the "ritualistic" aspect of suboxone addiction. I dunno if that makes any damn sense.
Dude what is with the yawning watery eyes man!?! That and restless legs were always my only real symptoms from opioid withdrawal (obviously aside from immense pain all over). But when I was on tramadol for 6 years and now suboxone for the last 5!! I take my 3/4 strip in the am then by 8 or 9pm (13-14 hrs later) I get terrible yawns and watering eyes as my withdrawal symptoms kick on. It’s after that little strip that I begin to feel better from it. I’ve always been so mind boggled by that physical withdrawal symptom 😭
@@permabulk1454 hate it so much.. I’ve gotten myself down to 1/16 of 8mg strip over the years and i have 4 tiny peices left and im gonna try to get rid of it for good. But just like you say every night and eariler every night too as I’ve tapered to such a low dose. Im just worthless. Just wanna sit on the couch and shake and yawn, eyes watering, with insane fucking racing thoughts I can’t control. People have told me the half life on suboxone is so long I shouldnt be withdrawing by 24 hours. Well idk if it because going from injecting 16mgs of suboxone to taking 1/16mg the right way over the past years but yeah by evening im dead. And if I don’t take that 1/16 dose and try to skip a day im completely worthless. Hope we can get through this shit
@@permabulk1454 I have no idea. Needing to poop after getting clean was a trigger because I subconsciously thought I was going into withdrawal. As for restless legs, man, I’ve had scabs from rubbing them in the she sheets so much. The other symptoms they never talks about is lasting about 0.3 seconds during sex after getting clean for the first year or so. That’s a fun one.
@@danklabz4204 I know it’s so hard when it comes to insurance and such (I did it after moving to Australia where cost wasn’t an issue, but stupid ass laws about going into a pharmacy every single day to get suboxone were), but Sub injections really were physically and especially psychologically so much easier. No thinking about dose or times, just a shot and off you go. Really made it easier.
This Suboxone is more troubling than they've ever let on. I kicked methadone in 2003 and it was incredibly difficult. It took a good 6 months to feel human again but this Fckn Sub is almost too much I don't know if I come off this garbage. It steals all your testosterone which means you're in a compromised state trying to withdrawal. Just a nightmare, I wish I had tapered off pills instead.
We need more Doctors that are like him.🙏 2:14
He's my Dr and I recommend him highly.
Do I have to travel to California to see him? I'm in fl
I started at 12mg buprenorphine and went down 2 every 3 months until I got to 6. Then I was doing 1/3 of a 6mg strip per day and finally 1/4 of a 6mg strip per day. I took my last buprenorphine 12 days 8 hours ago. You don't know how it affects you until you quit buprenorphine. I finally took the time to look at my life before ALL opiates and realized the lethargy that took over on the meds. In 12 days, i suddenly want to be around people. I suddenly like music again. I like driving my car. Going on walks. Enjoying horror movies. I can honestly say, after days of hell, that buprenorphine literally changed who i am.
So great to hear. Remember how awesome you are if a yukky day or person comes along one day. Just brush it off ❤❤❤
It’s so weird you say that but literally since I started taking it 3 years ago my interest for music is gone.
For the 3rd time tonight I’ve sworn it off that I’m gonna go cold turkey. My goal is 7 days. If I can make it too that point I can beat it. But having to work in between and keep my life going is the hard part
So you jumped at 1.5mg per day? Congratulations!How are you doing now?
OMG that's so true. Suboxone just makes you not care about having fun. Fun felt like a lot of work on Suboxone. I literally lived in a 4 bedroom 2 storey house all by myself for years and never had visitors because Suboxone made me not fun. So glad to be off. My dog gets extra walks. I have energy. I can experience happiness again.
@@joshcrossen22 Took me a while to find this reply. Sorry for that. Make sure you taper off. Cold turkey is a real bitch with this stuff. Also, be prepared to be amazed at how long the WD effects last. Focus the feelings at anger towards the medication. Worked for me anyhow. Honestly just now starting to feel normal. I hope you have great success! If you can find someone that understands what you are going through, that will help too.
Down to 1/4 a day. It’s been very difficult. I work a very demanding job and I’m a single father of three. The overwhelming anxiety is the worst part and the insomnia.. good luck to everyone
Hey Dr.Starr it's Candelario I'm still clean and just wanted to thank you for your work.
Awesome!!!!! So proud of you
Okay-been off and on for 10 years...switched from 4mg suboxone to 4 mg bupenorphine daily. Thankfully the Hand of Jesus Christ our God is on me, so I went from 4 mg to roughly 1 mg per 24 hours.....im 3 days into that and experiencing strong withdrawal, cant sleep more than 2-3 hours at night and 1-2 hours during day, not eating too well (but havent since suboxone period) and only been 3 days on my 4mg to 1mg jump. But I pray as I type these words that God does not let go, I want off, and even if I have to be sick like this for weeks I will get off this stuff! Will try to come back with an update on my journey. God bless you all and he is the answer to all of this, remember him!
Amen, hope your still doing well hope you got through it
hey bud, it's been a month. hope all is well, and I wanted to bump this comment to see how you're doing and see if you have an update! Take care
Thanks for asking! This has been a big fight, I'm at about .4 mgs a day. Hoping to be finished with in 2 weeks, maybe less. God has been patient and loving through this, as I have undoubtedly chastised myself again and again. With Christ, anything is possible. God bless you!@@danradke98275
Hope all is well and you post an update.
@@arthur-qm8qs still working at it! taking longer than I expected and hoped, as I'm still taking about .3 mg - .4 mg per day.....but life is good and I'm grateful. It doesnt weigh me down the way it was before. I have energy, get up 6 am bed at 1030ish....thank you Jesus!
I'm on day 2 of 0.125mg right now. Going to go to Day 7 (when I usually stabalize) and then do 0.0625mg for a couple more days before I stop for good. I'm so excited to be done with this months-long taper
You off the subs yet!
Hey how is it going for you?? I failed over and over from going too fast. Currently down to half a milligram and plan on slowly continuing to taper until I can't cut a piece any smaller .062mg? What was your method or did you modify anything when you got down to below half a milligram? Really hope to hear back from you hard to find any good answers on this. And congratulations!
@@sniper1444 yeah I’m curious if he jumped off them too. I been on subs for 2 months at 12mg I’m down to 8mg a day I want off of these asap but like my DR said you were on pain meds for 20
Years just take your time and taper slowly I want to be off them by January my bday month. I was on methadone for 15 years. His long have you been on subs and at what MG?
You off it??? I'm 30 days, from 8mg to 1.75. I'm going faster than I should but I'm done with this shit after 7 years
@@laurenjeanvp5131please do yourself a favor and slow things once you get to 1 mg. I would always try to keep up the same pace but would always fail
I've gone from 12 to 10, 8, 6, 4, 3, getting ready to drop down again soon
How did it go?
Please keep me updated on your taper and how you are if you wouldn't mind? I'd be grateful.
I've been prescribed 16 mgs for 14 years. I've been detoxing mystery. Now, I take a 1/2 dose, 4mgs twice a week. I start to feel sick by the 4th day and so thats just how I've been doing it. I'm just kinda doing this myself and I want to surprise him. I hope he will be happy about this???
Sounds like you were doing good I hope you made it off! I'm new on subs but have been on them before. Knowing how brutal it was the first time makes me really worried. I'm just going to stabilize on it first before thinking about tapering. I usually try to go too fast and end up failing.
Most of us that have come here want to get clean but at the same time we’ve been through withdrawal so many times and we just can’t take it any more.
Yeah withdrawal blows
Nothing compared to methadone withdrawal thoe ..... ughhhh well fetenayl was worse as far as intensity but it was just the length of how long methadone withdrawal lasted
@@andrewdiolosa3861 so does Kamala
@@andrewdiolosa3861 So does Kamala!
@@andrewdiolosa3861 Andrew. I don’t doubt it. Was it a month long? My next question would be, why in the hell did you jump from methadone? Of all drugs to not jump from there is Suboxone and methadone. Especially with the ability to tape from both of those I don’t understand why you did that?
I just got out of treatment and my sober living is owned by the treatment. They messed up on my order and I am without for 2 days now. I’m on 8 in the morning and 8 at night. It’s miserable. It has really made me want to taper off in case for some reason I can’t get it. Thank you for this very helpful info.
Cut it in half, you don't need to take 16mg in total. Your body can handle 6mg . Get off it while you can
You can go to the ER and get an emergency 3 day supply but it is pricey. But when you're going through withdrawals the price doesn't matter.
Wow I didn't know it was gonna be this easy. Especially with 12 step fellowship, along with the gift of faith ❤thanks God and all
I’ve been on subs for 7 years. I’m have no access to pills anymore and have never done heroin or fentanyl. My doctor is my drug dealer now. I can’t wait to taper off. I’m almost off benzos too
I got hooked on Subs buying them off the street because at first, I could take a TINY piece and catch a strong buzz for HOURS. After 2-3 years, I can put over an entire strip under my tongue and feel NOTHING except side effects. I’m starting my taper tomorrow morning.
I hope ur doing well.
@@ce6ej I just now found this video, 12/21/24, and I would love to know if you made it off of the buprenorphine. I hope you did.
I’m glad I watch it, my clinic doesn’t do anything lower than 2 mg drops at a time they refuse to prescribe anything lower
Happy to report three weeks off of Suboxone and when I taper down to .25 and then cut off , it was not nearly as bad as I thought it was… The fatigue and diarrhea were the worst but I was still able to function!!(about a week of messed up stomach not any worse than it was tapering from 1MG down to .5 )The fatigue lasted about two weeks I still have some of it but I was almost in a pink cloud again like I was new to recovery emotions were strong happy and sad but I had a new found faith for my call 12step programming!
Don’t let others scare you… you can do this!!
@@Carv97 Hi there. I am a senior, 75 years old, but pretty healthy, and have been on subutex for years now, but I recently cut down a great deal and I want off of this stuff. I would love to know how you are doing now because if you are still clean, it would give me such joy and enthusiasm. I am now on 5 mgs. and I am going to slowly cut down, as the doctor in the video suggested. I take subutex in pill form and I know my inept clinic will not help me change to something else or give me any good or sane advice about cutting down properly. I will probably be breaking 2 mg. tablets into four sections and jump off completely at .25, just as you did. Can you give this old lady any advice at all as how to proceed now from the 5 mgs. I am on. I once took 24 mgs. of this stuff, but cut down to 16 mgs. pretty early on. After that I just cut down here and there. Now, I am serious about getting off of it and I feel determined, but I am a bit scared. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Just wait until you're sick, take , the smallest amount to feel normal, repeat you'll notice the returning symptoms are lighter. Key is, let yourself have at least 2 or 3 withdrawal symptoms you can bare, and wait to dose again. Clonidine in between doses, then repeat until done. Or substitute every other dose with a dose of kratom, it'll go faster.
How much Kratom? I’m at 1mg a day and want to get down. I’m ready to be off of this crap.
@@callspreadzero854please God don't get on Kratom!!!!!!! That shit is just as bad! Please please do your homework on Kraton withdrawals
Stay away from Kratom. Just take your medicine when you’re starting to w/d. I’ve heard nothing good from substituting with kratom.
@@matthewwillis2389I think what he's saying by taking it every other day is allowing the Suboxone to leave your body... I don't know if I would take it for anything more than a week or two though just to help get through the initial
@matthewwillis2389 from what I gather and I've never tried kratom, is that there is no guidance in any way. The serving suggestions are from Clowns that don't have fda approval. People get in too deep. I feel kratom could be used if you microdosed it and never splurged. You can't stay on it either or you will screwed. There has to be a fine line somewhere
I am so interested in sublocade! My doctor said that because I am at 1.3mg the sublocade injection wouldnt help me, but I can not get any lower than 1.3mg. My life is at such a standstill and I need to completely get off suboxone.
Totally understand that I wanna do the sublacade but it's so expensive and my insurance dont pay for it it pays for my suboxone tho😢
Im ready to stop taking Suboxone after 10 years Im on 24 mg a day, Im gonna follow your suggestions after talking to my doctor about it.
24mg is wayyy too high of a dose. No offense but your doctor doesn’t know wtf they’re doing. It’s mostly mental above 8mg bc many studies have shown 99% opiate receptor binding at just 4mg.
Down from 24mg to 2mg using this method started tapering in May, thank you
I'm an ready to quit. I've been on it for years, but something over this past year has changed. It starting giving me the worst feelings ever each time I take it. Add to that it started giving me anxiety attacks, and keep in mind, I've never had them. It was 100% a chemically induced anxiety. Over the past 6 months I cut my dose from 16mg a day, down to 8mg a day, 4mg, etc. I'm now down to cutting each 8mg strip into 8 pieces. I take 1mg every other day just to keep the withdrawals away, and that's barely enough but works. It's a horrible place to be trapped. If I take it, It makes me sick, anxiety, and just feel horrible. If I don't take it, withdrawals. If I'm going to have to suffer either way, I'd rather quit.
I've had the same issue trying to stay on subs.
@Tloc111 it's so strange. I honestly think it's the naloxalone, that 2nd ingredient they put in it to keep people from sh00ting it. They say it doesn't get in your system but I 100% believe over time small amounts of the naloxalone are absorbed, and that sick feeling and crazy anxiety are from precipitated withdrawals. The same thing that would happen if someone tried to sh00t it. I say this because when they gave me the white pills, the ones with no naloxalone, I never have a problem. It's only when it has that other ingredient. I literally hate having to take it. I take the 1mg and only when I absolutely have to. I fkn hate it.
Omgggg I'm feeling the same!!! Anxiety isn't bad but just that sick feeling! I used to feel so good and yes get some high but this last 4-6 months had sucked! In my opinion they aren't making the subs the same way, maybe cutting more naloxne vs bupe...either our bodies got so used to it or they're making it differently. Either way I went from 8mg to 6mg and I'm on day 5 of 3mg..yesterday was pretty bad but today had been much better. I've started taking an iron pill, working out and eating MUCH BETTER. I can't wait to get all this fucking shit out of me. I plan to be on 3mg for a couple weeks and then drop to 2mg and so on!
@@laurenjeanvp5131how is your taper going
SAME HERE. I’ve been taking it for like 2-3 years now, and one day I just started to get SUPER anxious and developed an INSANE level of social anxiety. I HAVE to get off this stuff.
Yes! Go slow & listen to your body. You have to measure doses. I would fold the strips & cut them into doses. I tapered to a tenth of a mg then jumped and it wasn't bad. That tiny speck of suboxone would allow me to sleep at night. I think the longer you taper, that gets the long half life stuff out of you and makes it much more comfortable when you stop.
It took almost a year tapering for me. I don't have paws or depression, it's just the sleep that is difficult but it's getting better.
Thank you Dr Starr I saw you on Kickin Addiction's channel. 😊
Hey mama Deb great to see you and we are all so proud to see you overcome this beast! ❤❤❤
@@kickinaddiction thanks Kev. Much love to you❤ Your channel has a great community and we all help each other. Your livestreams were a huge part in tapering.
Were you taking anything else
@@MrAkaprimetime no. I just didn't want to take any other pharmaceuticals. I would buy THC juice at the dispensary & it would help me sleep but that's it 😊
RX Film Cutting Guide - That's the template we all use to cut our strips and wean down. Ive used it successfully for years. Buy a pack of razor blades and a magnifying glass if you need one. Also, buy a pill container to put your doses in. Then just follow the doc's advice. Wean down slowly. Precision matters when cutting your doses so take your time. Have a calendar to keep track of your progress.
Have you completely weaned off using this ?
its miserable coming off suboxone. my bottle got throw out on accident by my wife 2 weeks ago and obviously my doctor didn't believe or even if he did he probably couldn't do anything for me. its been 2 weeks im absolutely miserable and my appointment is tomorrow but im not gonna do it, I've come this far i might as well just do it..
damn that's rough bro, I can't imagine how pissed you were...
@brett3165 pissed? absofuckinglutly I was but my heart of hearts wanted off them. subs made me neutral to everyone and everything around I just didn't care about shit. I didn't go get more subs I'm still fucking sick physically some days and mentally other days. I just kept listening to that lil voice in my head saying "you can do it and this is what you want" so far so good..
Glad you got off em. I was always terrified to go on meth or subs and become addicted to them and be way more stuck on them than i ever was opiates.. subs are great for rapid sub taper though, when I would jump off dope, i'd take 3 or 4 sub doses spaced 24-36 hrs apart, then jump off and you miss the short acting WDs from the dope, but aren't on subs long enough for youre body to be addicted to long lasting bupe. It's actually a hack for witrhdrawals tbh, methadone can work for this method also. Take care, and congrats on getting sober. @@arenam79
@@arenam79My stuff didn't get thrown out but I had another Dr. that moved away and this is the fourth one I've had in five years. I'm so sick of it and don't even wanna deal with getting to know another Dr. I got a month and half supply from her before she left but I'm doing a quick taper and screw dragging it out. I have comfort meds and been staying busy even when I feel like crap. I've quit opioids before and I know a brighter day comes if you can get by one day at a time. Suboxone is a ball and chain.
The old thrown out bottle
I’m struggling getting off this stuff so bad
I was on 24mg dose tapering to 12mg
I dropped to 9mgs
6mg morning 3mg at night 5 days if I’m good drop 8mg
8 mg strip then go from there 3 5-days
Last time I did this my problem was with
Last 4mgs 2-morning
2-night until 2mgs
Suboxone is stronger the people realise
2mg..
Note: I believe if your uncomfortable with a drop just stay let your body catch up
Even if it’s a longer duration.
Caio
Im a year off fentanyl and meth and im now starting to taper off Suboxone im done needing a medication to feel normal and cant wait to get off it completely
This is solid information.
I agree with everything that you said.
Love it!! I’m trying the NAD+ and hopefully 🤞 will help as I got my last shot of sublocade
I'm thinking of getting the sublocade shot and am curious how it's been going for ya.
Thanks for the recommendations and encouragement.
I’m splitting a 2MG strip into 3 and am taking 0.6 a day. I’m almost finished!
How did u make out??
I’m on the lowest dose strip and I’ve been for a while. Feel like I’m never going to kick
I'm off a year and a half. If I can do it, you can do it.
Finally i believe i need a sponser
I tried kicking subs cold Turkey and it got so unbearable I went back on after 5 days off. Don’t really feel horrible until the 3rd/4th day off it. Don’t know if it’s cuz of my age or what but trying to do this at home didnt work and I was really motivated and committed.
Just now finding this doctor here. Seems to be no doctors with any clue how to get off this. But they know how to prescribe it.
Seems any detox worth anything cost an arm and a leg $20k +!!
I hope I can learn something from this Dr cuz I’m about to try again. I managed to ween down. I cut 8mg strip in half. Then half of that. Then half of that, then I consume half of that and stabilized. I was so eager to be free from this that managed to cut that into thirds and take that but I was getting too irritable around my wife so I went back to that small stabilizing piece.
I hope I can learn some thing from here. Seems like this is the only doctor worth his weight in salt with knowledge on how to get free from this. Thanks to anyone with tips to help.
Wow juts curious how many MG did you take before the taper and how long? I hope your off them by now?
Hey doc can you do a once and for all proper dosing directions video? Do you avoid smoking eating or drinking before or after dosing? How long should we hold the medication in our mouth? Should we brush our teeth after? Should we drink water before? Rinse after? Should we swallow after it’s dissolved or spit? I feel like this would make a really popular video and above all very helpful to all of us trying to better our lives. Please and thank you!
Good questions....
There is evidence of tooth decay from this. So you are correct about brushing. It goes into the mucus membranes in your mouth so The strip needs to dissolve completely
it will be 10-15 mins try not to water your mouth or swallow any
@@Carboneye7 I recently read that you shouldn’t brush immediately afterwards because it’s like scrubbing your teeth with acid and will destroy the enamel. Instead wait 30 minutes to an hour before brushing
trying to weigh dust over here, yea sure as hell wish I had the strips....
I was on 8ml and went down to 6ml its been a couple months and i still feel uncomfortable skin is like crawling... I'll have to go back up to 8ml 😢
For personal reasons I don't want to get too into it but I will say that what you're saying is the absolute best recommendation and way to go about it. It almost sounds a bit unorthodox and Wing but to be honest with you I think that's what makes this advice so perfect, it's able to be personalized to any individual wanting to truly come up with this medication rather than generalizing it
The ‘in your head’ thing is the real struggle!
I live in Delaware, been on suboxone over 5 years, I take a 12 mg strip a day. Been trying to cut it down and get myself clean and just stopped taking it. The withdrawal is terrible. I finally got a great job and don’t wanna lose it. On my way to work now, I might’ve gotta 20 minutes of sleep and work 10 hours a day. Praying for help. I hate being a drug addict but I hate withdrawal as well. My arms and back muscles twitching throughout the day and night is driving me insane. If anyone has any advice please share I am desperate to try anything
Bro… you CANNOT just quit cold Turkey off of 12mg per day!! 😳. You have to slowly taper!! Take a strip, fold it in half, then cut down the middle. Repeat with the 2 pieces you have. Then, just eyeball and cut THOSE pieces in half again. Take one of those little pieces in the morning and let it kick in. If it’s enough to keep withdrawals away, wait as long as u can and take another TINY piece (maybe once in the morning, then once in the early afternoon). You’ll have to see how much will curb the withdrawals. You might have to start with like 6mg in the morning if u can’t handle taking a tiny piece like I said. Each week or 2, you take a smaller piece each time… then make the pieces smaller and smaller every week or 2.
Why aren’t more Drs who prescribe this stuff this educated? I am tapering now and using Quickmd. Most of the Drs are just turn and burn so when I found one that was willing to help me taper,I found it was hard to get that same Dr with regularity. I’m debating whether I need to just try a couple of 100 mg shots. I have been on this medicine for too long now and am down to 3.5-4 mgs. I am always hearing how the last 2 mgs and under are hardest. I am ready to be bupe free already!
Currently steady at .5. Its been uncomfortable, but totally doable. Planning on going down to .125 🤞
For anybody wondering,my outlier case SO FAR has been to go from 30mg/day for years to 24 mg about 4 months ago, dropping down fairly quickly to 4mg/day lately and today I’m one full 24 hour period totally off.
I’m going to see how long I can possibly stand with nothing and if I need I’ll get 1mg here or there and use it as necessary. I don’t have time. I have a life altering drug test august 1st so wish me luck.
Good luck buddy.
Will they test for Bupe? What if you have a prescription?
Just so you know, people with opioid use disorders are protected under the Americans with disabilities act. If you have a valid prescription for this medication, there is no reason for you to "fail" this drug test. If your employer or whomever is administering the test isn't aware of this, make them aware.
@Nikki could be it's some sort of military or law enforcement type of job. Hell, even the ATF decided that anyone who's been prescribed suboxone, methadone, naltrexone or naloxone suffer from an addiction disorder and therefore are never allowed to own firearms. That could end a security guards career.
What matters is your health above anything else! Don’t put demands on yrself you might not be able to meet. I wish u all the luck…im going through it at the mo and it’s a living hell!! As long as you feel strong enough to get through it I’m sure u will, if not then just try and try again…never give up, we can beat this shit!! x
I was taking for 1 years I rich up to 8 m but I stop on one week is 3 day now I’m not taking is hard but I’m happy
THANK YOU DOCTOR FOR YOUR ADVICE, FROM THE UK.
I’m at at 0.5mg (2 months now) and am fully ready to drop to 0.25mg, but the issue here in Niagara, Ontario is only tablets are available. No doctor has been able to give me a reliable answer, but since your taper outline resembles what I’ve done for myself, I feel maybe you could have the mind that might be able to answer this problem. I want to go 0.25 then 0.125 then every 2, 3, 4 days etc, but again can only properly do this by accurately breaking the tabs beyond 0.5mg on a 2mg tab
Try to cut the tablet with a razor. Also, it might be a lot to drop to .25 from .5 mg. I tried that & ended up on .33 mg. It made me feel more stable. Then stepped down to .25mg. I hope you are doing well ❤
@@debwoods5834 it’s funny that you say that, because after trying 0.25 for a few days, my body was telling me how hard it would be to continue that drop for days more in a row. So I’ve been doing the 0.33 (1/6 of a small tablet, and honestly feels a lot closer to taking 0.5 than it does to 0.25, even though it’s closer in dose to the 0.25. So I’m going to continue this slow gradual taper but just adding in 4 weeks at 0.33 before going to 0.25 for a month
@@debwoods5834 thank you for the reaffirmation of this extra step being the right one
@@debwoods5834 and damn, I just broke apart a razor to my suboxone tablet, and could cut into 1/12s a 2mg tablet (0.167mg) with precision and I can definitely foresee splitting it to 1/16s for the 0.125mg now for once! This is major game changer for my circumstances and feel so much more assured in finishing up this last part with accuracy and on schedule with my plan! (Assuming I could find a method to allow me taking consistently these low doses without much variability between each day, & that method I just did find) :)
@@debwoods5834 do you have a direct messaging outlet on some preferred app or whatever? You’re the first person who has directly synonymously explained my exact position since being under 2mg so I feel like our tapers must have been similar or at least since you’ve been where I am now I can ask you questions regarding steps and duration until finally knowing when to get off completely. I want to send you my outline and I want to compare to what your finishing outline was. It would definitely help me beyond belief seeing what someone in my position did to every last detail and give me more confidence knowing getting off it can be done completely. Thank you
The fact you would have withdraws from just .5 to 1 mg is scary. If its that strong why people take so much
Thanks for the post , I kind of went pretty hard and quick , 14-12 then straight to 6 for about a week and then 4 ,5 days later and now 3mg and now feel the need to have to adjust to it for a bit , didn't notice it for the first few days but past 3 days been waking up restless and having to take my 3mg dose right away between 6-7am and have to wait it out for 20minutes to an hour to feel normal , staying on this dose till I adjust to it , and then I think I'll try the 2.5 and then 2 after that then follow how you said it going down 1.75,1.50 1.25 to 1 , , I have strips and understand how to break it down, thanks for the post really helpful
If i never feel withdrawal symptoms again it will be too soon.
Doing this now. I can and will do it
The correct tapering is crucial...
I agree with the doc...
Currently on 12 MG's haven't started coming off yet tho. But I only been on the program for less than a year.
This is still gonna be harsh. I have been going down for about 7 months now. When I was at 4 mg and switched to the 4 mg strips I definitely noticed it being weaker. I’m now just switched to the 2mg strips. I’m alternating 2 to 1.8 1.8 every other day and 2 then I’ll go down to 1.8 then alternate down to 1.5
I learned when I called you office I felt more scared worse before I even called. That's what I learned
I tried Sublocade twice and it made me feel horrible for 6+ months at a time
Thank You.
Is there any natural dopamine pills after getting off for the low energy???
So glad I found this channel man. Great doctor really informative I wish you was in Ohio 😢 just subscribed thanks for the information!
I'm in Ohio too. Suburb of Dayton... Howdy neighbor!
Down in Cincinnati lol. The suboxone clinics here are a joke tho. I started my 300mg shot last Wednesday to transition from 3 years of 8mg tabs of suboxone daily. At the clinic here they won’t let you get the sublocaid shot if you plan on tapering. Little do they know I’m doing 1 more 300, then 2 100 shots and I’m done
After tapering down to 2 mg. It’s very difficult and a lot of people get stuck
What if your insurance does not pay for sublocade?
They did this for me in rehab I was sick for 2 weeks only at night it was very strange. But I think they brought me down over a week from 6mgs then 2 weeks of no sleep . And mild wd so slowest is best when dropping off. Sublocade sounds much betterv
Hi Dr. Starr 😊 why didn’t you tell me that you have a TH-cam channel?? I Love watching TH-cam videos.
Thank you for taking care of me and my situation. Blessings,Carlos ✝️🙏❤️😊🇺🇸
Dr ken starr i would LOVE to see you but im in florida....do i have to come to cali?
Damn good motivation and your right on too dude thanks
Thank you so much this is great
Everytime ive tried to get help w suboxone i never get anywhwre with it. Docs keep telling me to take paxil or abilify bc i have anxiety. Yes. Of course i do when im withdrawing. The "opiod crisis" is preferred. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if ppl had access to the things they need
I have a such a terrible time keeping the patch dry. Any tips?
It's impossible for me to measure that cause we got 8mg and 2mg tablets only...
What if your insurance dont cover sublacade
That's what I said
…then you try the taper (that he talked about in the video)…
Thats exactly how I figure it out to👍
****. Listen guys: listen good. If you find that you just can’t jump- even at 0.125 or whatever, don’t beat yourself up. Keep trying if u want but if it ain’t broken don’t fix it!!! All I’m saying is take it easy on yourself if it doesn’t work
I’ve been on 1mg a day for like a year and it was really easy to get there but to get to 1/2 mg a day is a lot harder, which scares me about doing it cold turkey completely. I just did 2 days without it, and realized I had a 1/2 mg in another container so I took it just to take the edge off. Idk guys I’m terrified to quit completely because last I quit the suboxone withdrawals lasted 2-3 months. I’d rather withdrawal off opiates and have a real shitty two days then feeling acute withdrawals for 3-6 months
Thanks for the informative answer. Do you or will you be making a video of (safest way to come of monthly Sublocade injections)
My Dr said “you’d need nothing at all! coming off of monthly sublocade injections after being on the lowest dose injections ( 8mg daily equivalent to the strips). That wasn’t the case with me after 4 weeks of withdrawal I couldn’t handle it and asked to go back on feeling like a failure.. it took 2mg to just stop physical symptoms but no energy. 6mgs daily was needed just to feel normal after 4 weeks of detoxifying just shocked me and yes the withdrawals are mild but extremely prolonged whereas on methadone I’d quit from 0.5~0.25mg and I feel better the day i stop compared to taking 0.25mg ( 250mcg ) daily.
I read scholarly articles writing it takes 14 minutes for one molecule of buprenorphine to detach from the brain whereas conventional opioids take’s milliseconds to due to its ultra long half life?
Wow that’s some crazy statistics I was one methadone for 15 years I’m on 12mg of subs going on 2 months but I’m tapering down and my Dr doesn’t know I’m at 8-9mg I told him I want to be off then my the new year or by my bday in the end of January. I don’t understand how you got so sick?
So sick when all I hear are successful stories all over ?
I had 0 withdrawal symptoms during the day, but my side affect was that i didn't sleep for 40days. It really sucked!
❤ Thank you for the taper down advice. My question is : *Get off Suboxone 100%?. How to safely do it?
PLEASE HELP: I’ve been on suboxone for about 2 years I got myself down to .5 milligrams from 24 milligrams. I started taking .25 the past two days and it has been very hard for me. Would sublocade shots help me an my situation???
@@brian9500 I feel the exact same way man, I been on about 2 weeks on .25 I’m gonna stay at .25 for another 2 weeks than start doing every other day for a week or two an jump off! I’m at the home stretch gotta finish strong! Thanks for the advice brother
Lyrica 300 al. Ve kurtul bundan. Dikkat et lyrica yı 1 kutu yeterli fazla alma .
Lyrica 300 mg al ve bundan kurtuk
I'm seriously contemplating going back on the heroin instead of this failing sublocade while i wait for surgery that could paralyze or kill me. I'm dead if it doesn't help or happen so it's not like it really matters at this point. i'm in so much pain and it's not helping anymore and my suspected rapid metabolizer status is something that could have been established 20 years ago when i just wanted weed and all they would give me is a pill habit.
Get sublocade save up it’s a lot but when you’re ready it’s the answer.
My problem is all the strips are not the same some strips don't even feel like u took it and then u get one that kicks your ass especially generic are weak
I'm at 2 1/4 for last week. I'm sleeping poorly, irritable, tearful, tired. I usually never take a day off resistance training/cardio but...
Just do as much as u can! I’m in a similar position,it’s so hard!! Just keep going…it’s got to be worth it in the end!!
1 kutu lyrica 300 al ve bundan kurtul.
Came to PRico Please help No Dr.s
The reason I want to know is I'm on the boxing and marijuana helps me sleep so much. I would really love to be able to at least have the edibles or some form marijuana. It helps me out a lot but some reason my addiction doctor says no I cannot have no marijuana at all
On 12mls please help ❤️
Thank you for this video I’ve been at 8 mgs a day for 2 years now and I wonder what I would feel like if I completely got off of them . Sometimes I feel very robotic and machine like and can’t sit still.. I also smoke marijuana to help me sleep and help me eat because I have no appetite
Even with a slow long drawn out taper, you will cut the acute stage symptoms but it does nothing for the post acute period in my experience. That's where the rubber meets the road. Why doesn't anyone talk about this part?
I think tapering quickly can be dangerous. It may force someone to leave the program and seek opiates. You want to be successful and you made it this far, so take the necessary time to finish properly. I like your style of tapering until stable, then do it again and I think that would be most successful even if it takes 3, 6, or even 12 months.
Does the vivitrol shot work for subutex withdrawal?
Why the hell don't they have lower doses than 2mg? It's too hard to cut strips.
My Psychiatrist doesn't know i take Suboxone. My current living boyfriend purposely got me use to taking this stuff by telling me something different. Anyway now I am trying to get off of this stuff ASAP so that I can go live with my dad and leave this man for good. I just don't know what to do. Oh he also brought home 3 dogs so that it'll be harder for me to leave him. SMH I want out asap
😭 I'm down to .25 and today is day 2. About 30-some hours since my last dose. I feel crappy and didn't sleep well. Are there typical comfort meds that help get through the restless nights?
Magnesium before bed helps
I never understood why giving people this high doses, cause the small works the same. But tappering from 2mg its a nightmare. Its i think for someone living working normal life almost impossible. Its like someone is slowly killing all the energy and love to live in you. I just cant do it. I tried many times. Days are hell. Not to tell how humiliaded you feel going from doctor to doctor hoping someone will understand and help, but most they dont...Looking down on you. I am happy i came accross your videos. it gives me hope i can get rid of it one day. Just want to live my life without anything.. Sublocade...its my only hope. But dont know where to find it in Eu
Lyrica 300 bir kutu al . Bundan rahat kurtulursun
1 kutu lyrica 300 mg al ve bundan kurtul
I couldn’t just do ONE dose a day. It only worked for me if I took a tiny piece of a strip TWICE a day. Once in the AM, and once around 3 or 4 pm. Then I was able to taper more effectively.
@@Umudumu.Kaybetmedim.. bana daha fazlasını anlat lütfen. günde kaç tane ve ne kadar süreyle
Thanks DOC. How low mg can the sublocade shot go. My dr suggested belbuca micro grams as an option. I’m on 1mg but on sub for over 12 years. Started at 12mg.
i’m down to a corner after 5 years. hate this so much
Oh god I want off so badly but I’m so scared !!! I’m on suboxone now because I tried cold turkeying off methadone n honestly felt like I was dying 😩. I just want to wake up in the morning n take NOTHING!! I don’t know if I can do this 😞
If you’re not familiar with it, most people can get off of suboxone with little to no withdrawal❤
You MUST taper if you want to have as little withdrawal as possible. It’s NOT easy mentally because you’re gonna want to take more, but cut your strips in half, then cut those pieces in half, and so on until you get 8 equal pieces (those are 1mg pieces). If you can slowly get down to that amount once a day, it’ll be much easier when you go to stop completely. I do NOT advise you just quit cold Turkey because it’s a nightmare. Just being honest.
Jesus i went from 16 to 8 to 4 to 2 and have been stuck around 1 forever it seems
So if people do it this way, they don't have no withdrawal. Is that true or no, just curious? I'm terrified to come off this medicine because of the withdrawals. No matter which way it's done thank you god bless
I’ve quit this stuff TWICE (but am currently back on it for the past 2-3 years). The first time, I quit cold Turkey after only taking like 4mg a day for a year or 2…. That was absolutely MISERABLE. I was badly sick for a straight week, followed by like 3-4 weeks of bad depression and anxiety.
The 2nd time I quit, I was on it about the same amount of time taking anywhere from 4-8mg per day…. But this time, I tapered off of it over a 2 month period. Got down to like .5 mg for a week or so and jumped, and I was only a little sick over a weekend followed by a little depression for a week or 2… so it was MUCH easier.
Now I’m back to square one, about to taper again. This time, though, I take like 8mgs per day and I’ve been on it like 3 years. YOU HAVE TO DO A TAPER AND BE STRICT ABOUT IT. If you can cut back a little bit every week or 2 until you’re down to taking a tiny piece of an 8mg strip, it will be manageable (depending how long you’ve been on it and your dosage). If you quit cold Turkey from where you are now, you will be absolutely MISERABLE for at least a month… I promise you that.
So start a taper, and maybe start taking 2 doses a day- morning and then late afternoon (like 2 or 3pm). Experiment and see how little you can take without getting withdrawals, then taper down from there. I’m starting my taper tomorrow. Good luck!!
What about people who take the max, like 26-28 mg?
Dear me from the past, sorry no one answered you as I know you struggled and stressed a lot about all that. You’ll be fine with 2 injections of 300mg, 5 of 100 (could have been less, but they’ll be spaced more and more), 1 of 75 and 1 of 50. You’ll have pain, but you’ll be okay and you won’t have withdrawals.
Sincerely, you from the future.
How are you going to know what a 1.5 dose is . I am ready to come off this stuff and have tried so many times but the detox is terrible I have made it 12 days that was the longest I have ever went cold turkey so I figured maybe try the taper thing but I usually use strips I don’t know how you would know the .5s .
So I was on 24 mg a day
Weened down to 8mg
Then down to 4 mgs
But then back up to 8mgs
And I’ve been stuck at 8mgs
The sublocade shot seems interesting
It’s all mental man. You have to stay disciplined if you’re going to taper. It’s super hard to stay disciplined and only take as little as possible each day tho..