Great video as always, thanks!! I would have liked you to have weighed the screens, that explains the extra pleats in the Amsoil & the weight difference, thinner metal screen. Both made by Champion Labs, although the Fram chat agent denies it, LOL. Royal Purple also a Champ product with different micron rating, so apparently the brand owner can specify media type & backing. I think the pull apart test was unfair, as oil flow will be pushing the pleats toward the inside, you applied pressure FROM the inside to get it to separate. I would like to see another Fram Titanium (only sold by Advance Auto Parts) dissected as they have eliminated the metal screen (mesh) in that line. The 10575 (Fram) is a fast mover, so you're more likely to get a more current version of it. Look inside the core with a bright LED flashlight, you will see the wire through the holes if it's there. Thanks again!! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, Bob👍Glad you liked the video, and Thanks for pointing out the seam to me I didn't realize that it may have looked bad for the oil filters. The seam pull-apart was just to show that it can be pulled apart in case anyone was wondering. Some people who have never opened up one of these filters may not know this. If it looked like I was bashing/putting down that seam, I wasn't, in all reality any oil filter seam can all be pulled apart, metal crimped/glued/etc. Take Care😊
@@WhipCityWrencherI have avoided buying these filters because of seeing you pull apart the seam. I thought you were demonstrating how the seam might fail.
@@MountainLife1 No I wasn't, like I stated above I was just showing how they can be pulled apart. It was just-so-you-know info that I put in the video, that's all.
Smart choice. Though I liked the OG media Ultra better at $9, the FE the only Fram I would choose now. And much smarter than buying the Ponzi priced but same Amsoil filter.
@@alinatamashevich3354 And? It costs money just for the annual membership. You would need to be maintaining at least two vehicles just to make the membership worth buying. Amsoil is just a MLM scheme. I just love how independent dealers go and post everywhere plugging Amsoil. 9/10 times when I see Amsoil being pushed I go look at the account and see 1-2 posts, and also that the poster created the profile the same day as the plug.
Both filters made by Champ Labs, same synthetic media and for all intents and purposes the same filters. Blinded Amsoil fanboys have claimed that Amsoil used some special (Donaldson) media, but that was just bovine excrement. The FE is readily available at WM ~$13, so it is the clear and easy winner here. No need to pay multiple level marketer (Ponzi Scheme) pricing for the Amsoil. I'd choose the FE over the current cheapened media Ultra for extended ocis. Thanks for the comparison.
I'm not a fan of Amsoil, but I haven't seen any Amsoil filters from before 2011 independently tested or cut open to know whether they did ever use the Donaldson media that allegedly could filter to 15 microns absolute, I dug back in the web archive and in 2010 they were still claiming 15 microns absolute but around 2011 they started claiming 20 microns absolute then later on they started saying 99%+ at 20 microns.
@@brandonupchurch7628 Perhaps in the far distant past (over a decade) the Amsoil filter may have used another media manufacturer, or even filter maker. However, that hasn't been true for some time, yet the myth seems to continue among Amsoil fanboys. Fyi, absolute means @98.7% but has become a rather obsolete term. Now with ISO 4548-12 being the standard testing, some % at some micron level more widely accepted. 99% @ 20um a common top rating now.
First Brands owns Fram and Champion Labs, but they seem to mostly keep them seperate, probably because legally in the early 2000s Rank Group bought out Champion Labs then in 2011 Honeywell had spun-off Fram Group and sold it to Rank Group which is an investment firm, so when Trico bought them they were probably still separate legally entities.
I just threw one of these Frams on my wife's car. I usually have a bunch of wix on the shelf, but I guess I forgot to replenish last time. I don't think I'll bother anymore. Just grab a filter while I'm buying the oil at Wally World instead. Great video!
Whip, just wanted to thank you for doing this comparison! I now feel comfortable with the decision I made to run this new FE10575 synthetic endurance filter on my truck. The Amsoil filter is almost twice the price of the Fram here in Canada, for what appears to be essentially the same filter. Even the coating on the can seems to be the same, just a different color. I am running amsoil Signature Series 5w30 in my 5.0L now, but I got some Pennzoil ultra platinum 5w30 on sale for 40% off so I'll be running that next. Love your videos, keep em coming!
Good call on the FE filter choice. No need to pay $10 more plus shipping for the same filter off the WM shelf. I also believe PUP oil will serve you well.
I always put Amsoil in my car,it is probably one the best motor oil you can buy on the market, but I always had doubts about their filters, way too expensive for my pockets. I'm glad you made this video Pete, this proof that they're not worth the extra bucks.
owner of a company I worked for used two company f-150 trucks for 5 years the engine with the pennzoil ultra platinum looked better when tore down than the Amsoil did. note both bought brand new at the same time. in the end the pennzoil ultra platinum one have about 3000ish miles more on it they was doing 7,000 mile oil changes.
@@vector150both were driven the exact same duty service, same route, same conditions, same service intervals, with the same filters and by the same person?
Very good information. I just picked up the Fram Endurance due to its unreal filtering performance and construction. The best value out there at $12.97. What a nice surprise. Made in USA too!
I’ve worked in a couple factories, mainly food processing factories. When it comes to ketchup and other condiments; the specifications are between X weight and Y weight. So one 32oz bottle may be a couple grams off from the one next to it. That is probably what happens at these oil filter factories where it could be by weight or by how many pleats.
They're within tolerances. The differences in these are so minor, that's what I think the differences are, just both within' tolerance. If you had enough of each filter, you would probably find two that matched perfectly.
There is another content creator who built a flow bench and flow tested (with debris added / cold flow tested) the FRAM. It compared really well against other filters. The creator concluded the synthetic media was superior to media used in other filters. I only use the FRAM synthetic media filters and your video re-enforces that belief. Thank you!
Not sure what "hype" you are talking about. Amsoil has and always will offer the best performing products for your vehicles. BTW, Amsoil had these filters long before any others on the market, so these are copies.
@@Funkydood First off I am NOT a "dude". Second, you can get a PC membership and pay close to dealer cost and get free shipping on over 100.00. Amsoil has had these filters for over 10 years, so all of these on the market are copy cats. And last, 20 microns is an Amsoil standard, those others, not so much.
Excellent Analysis...as thorough as possible without high tech processing equipment. Have seen the Amsoil Filter disassembled...first look at Fram's latest high endurance filter. They are the same.
I've always wondered if the Amsoil filter could really be better than any other filter. I never would have guessed they are the same as a top of the line Fram! This is some seriously good investigative reporting. Thanks for busting the case wide open. :))
@@bobt897 I've seen that time frame mentioned before, could be. That said, I've seen the fanboys continue to make the claim to the present day. So over a decade ago, a long time.
I got Fram endurance, amsoil and Royal purple oil filters and they are all the same when i open them. Same by pass valves, same anti drain back valves, , threads and base plate the same, same filter and gaskets, only difference is the logo, Brand and Colors.
I have been using the Amsoil filters, paired with their signature series oil for some 17 years. The price gap is a lot more narrow if you’re a Preferred customer. I’m able to change my oil once a year. The oil and filter ship for free to me, so i even save the trip to the store. I think I’d spend the $5 savings in gas by going to get the Fram. Good video, though!
Amsoil doesn’t even manufacture their own oil it’s all Mobil 1 that’s been mixed. Not saying it’s bad stuff but the reason it’s so much if because they only mix oils not produce them…
@@ebkbk9902 SORRY, but you know NOTHING about the AMSOIL oils! MOBIL1 is NOTHING like AMSOIL, other than it can be called a Synthetic oil, due to a lawsuit in the late 90's!
@@1gr8oil Dont be mad at the facts chevron provides the bulk oil for amsoil to blend. Unlike mobil 1 who actually manufactures their bulk oil and blends it. Shell is another company who manufactures and blends their own oil. Not many companies actually make the oil they sell they blend it.
To me, the main difference between the two is the price. I have a Fram endurance ready to go on my car the next oil change. I'm glad that I bought it. Another great video with great info. Thank you.
Same filter different color! Slight differences but not enough for me to pay double the price. I'm impressed with the fram. I wouldn't hesitate using it and im not a fan of fram!
I am going to start using Amsoil Hybrid oil for my 2024 hybrid Honda Sport, but, will save some money by using the FRAM oil filter instead of the Amsoil filter.
They sure look the same. both are nicely made and are pretty clean. I would use either one although I use Amsoil oil for all my vehicles, I use Purolator filters because I find them to be just as good as the Amsoil filter but they’re about half the price.
I believe “The Boss” is 99% at 25 microns. Throw a filter mag on the purolator and it is superior to any filter. Of course, throw the same filter mag on the Amsoil filter and it is superior just the same.
I don’t know how I missed this video, but I’m a little late to the game. I’ve been an Amsoil fanboy for decades and have had great success with their products. Normally, I change my oil and filter once per year and that has equaled 15,000 miles. These days I drive a lot less and I change my oil a bit more frequently. After watching a ton of your videos I have stopped using the Amsoil filters. I prefer the Purolator Boss filters but I would be comfortable with this Fram filter as well. For the type of driving I do I use oil filters that have higher filtration rates. That being said, if I were racing or driving for extended periods at high RPM my preference would be the factory brand filters due to their higher flow rates. It appears that factory engineers have determined that lower filtration rate is acceptable and as such there is a marginally better rate of flow. I have learned a lot about oil and filters in the past few years and this channel has been instrumental in that education. I thank you for your efforts and I always look forward to your videos every Friday. It is amazing how some of the brands have changed over the years.
I'm a Purolator Boss user & occasionally a Wix XP or Napa Platinum user if I can't find the right size in The Boss, but that Fram Endurance looks solid and I wouldn't have a problem using one, I think Fram just got a bad rap in the 90's with their "orange can of death" 😆 Thanks for the informative videos, keep up the good work!
Thanks, Pete. The similarities are uncanny. Clearly, they are made at the same place. I think the dye stain on the media may indicate which product assembly line it goes on. I guess Amsoil is outsourcing certain products. Both filters would serve well in any application.
Crazy part beyond the Fram Endurance being the same as Amsoil and Royal Purple, but it is strange that Amsoil sells WIX filters when they do not have an Amsoil model to fit and WIX is made by Mann+Hummel and not Champion labs. They sell two different brands, but the WIX XP is basically the same filter.
I wonder if the slight differences have to do with the date of manufacture? Late 22 was when the Ultra changed the filter media with no wire backing and Fram added the Titanium to the line-up. Then the Endurance came out in early 23. This is all based off memory, so my dates could be skewed. Maybe the Amsoil spec’d the filter for slightly more pleats, either way $8-$10 isn’t worth 2sq in more media when it’s the same media.
I dont think it's a big deal either as the number of pleats can vary even if they are the same size. I've opened up the exact same filters in the past that had different numbers of pleats.
Should watch performance testing by Brand Ranks. They test the Fram endurance and amsoil filters. Fram performed very well…. Amsoil outperformed the FE by filtering almost 3X better.
Right. So, we are not to follow the objective, data driven performance conclusions. We are simply supposed to take your word for it. No thank you. I’ll take data over your opinion.
@@golfshirtshooter633 and I’ll believe all the other real world tests available on this platform and others that prove the filter isn’t any better than RP or the Kand N or Fram FE. Your going by 1 test. My opinion is based on a multitude of tests on other sites. Not just one.
You are 100% correct Scotty, the topic EAO17 $22 and change and that doesn't include shipping costs. Your name for the that filter, seems appropriate here. Fram FE FTW EZ!
Pete, I really enjoy your videos. Looks like both filters came off the same line with one getting different color paint and sticker ! Both good looking filters.
Enjoyed your video. Nicely done. I first used an AMSOIL filter back in 1979. They were white, not black. And AMSOIL cautioned against using their filter with a non synthetic, or it would filter the additives out of the oil. AMSOIL recommended using a HASTINGS filter in lieu of having their filter. This was back before WIX took KRALINATOR and BALDWIN took HASTINGS. My, how things have changed. My filter of choice for years was HASTINGS. Back when they were HASTINGS, not poorly disguised BALDWINs. Anyway, where I am now the AMSOIL filter has been unobtainium. Counter guy just shrugs his shoulders. Tells me to buy a WIX. I went to the dealer and bought a couple of FL500S MOTORCRAFT. I was told they're actually PUROLATOR. I don't know, but at least I can get them. So far, so good. Thanks again for a good reveal.
just so you know. just heard something at the auto parts store about mobil 1 filter glue failing under metal end caps. so my buddy was doing his oil change and uses those filters and asked if I could have it. Cut it open and the end caps easily peeled off each end. Metal end caps are glued over plastic ones under the metal. My 10 year old could of peeled these off. He is till going to use them just figured I would post here about it.
Hi vector, Thanks for posting and Sharing👍 I've seen some other brand filters do the same thing. I show one in a video, here's a link to that video in case you missed it. th-cam.com/video/EbySqef68IM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
Both look like good-quality filters. So similar, except the price. Well, the screen on these filters is also a little different. Another great comparison! A Great Weekend to You and All the Viewers! 👍😊
Not sure if this is reassuring for Fram or disappointing for AMSOIL. Is Fram building AMSOIL's filters or are they just buying the exact same parts from the suppliers??
Good video. I went to Walmart yesterday (hate going in there) and bought a couple for my 21 Tacoma #9972 & a couple for our Subarus #7317. They were $12.97ea. Seem super high quality. The Toyota is a cartridge type & both orings are orange (silicone) which is also nice. No way in hell I’m running my oil 25k miles though. I usually do 7k on the truck & 6k in the Subarus.
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Oh don't say it so someone has a filter that's identical to amsoils 😅 . I can just imagine all the fanboys will be going nuts over this. Amsoils filters are very interesting to see who sources them. I hear everything from they make their own media. To Donaldson or Baldwin making them but to amsoils specs. Kudos to Fram for coming out with a great product and not the gimmick thing that amsoil is
I’m an Amsoil member. I run all their fluids in my vehicles. I have bought their filters and ironically, my vehicle takes this exact same filter (EAO17). I don’t pay $22+ for my filter. I get the member discount and buy the case of 12 filters ($164.75 or, $13.73 per filter). Now, being a member, I also earn a $5 credit for every $100 I spend (basically it’s a 5% discount across the board since that rebate applies to ALL Amsoil products, not just filters). In short, I pay $13.04 per filter on average. And you’re paying $12.72 for the Fram equivalent and screaming “SUCKERS!!!” to people like me because you’re paying 32 cents less per filter!!!! LOL!!! Oh, I forgot to mention….. I get my filters shipped free to my house. So the Amsoil haters like you are spending the time, and gas money, to go to Walmart to buy the Fram equivalent filter to save 32 cents. My point?….. you are definitely paying more per filter than me! Gas money alone will bust that cost not to mention, the time and inconvenience you spend whereas I don’t have to.
Best to ignore the bloviating blather from any amsoil fanboy. No need to jump through amsoil hoops like buying in bulk and paying a membership fee. Just pick up the same filter off the WM shelf for ~$13 when you need it. Simple. Fram FE FTW.
Damn nice review! Im curious about the glue up consistency of the filter media into the housing. If there is a spot where its not glued well, that a leak.
So Fram gave us a Amsoil filter with fram name on it🤔still miss those K&Ns😭they had a lot more inlet holes for oil flow and these baseplates are on the K&N HPs too
I'd say more like First Brands ( Fram and Champ owner) gave us the FE after cheapening the media on the Ultra, formerly an excellent filter for less cost. But yes, the FE an Amsoil filter by another name.
@@memesredacted No. K&N doesn't make any oil filters. They have been by Champ Labs though off shored for a while. But most recently made by Champ Labs.
Wow! No real difference at all. Not worth the extra $10.00 that the Amsoil costs. What a ripoff!!!! ANOTHER case where you are paying for the name and not the product. Shame on you Amsoil! Thanks for another fantastic video. You are the best at these!
$12.97 for the Fram and $22.55 for the Amsoil. I don't see the justification of $9.58 extra for the Amsoil filter. Fram's high end oil filters are definitely worth looking at and are not the same as their orange cans of death.
Just to be crystal clear, Amsoil "dealer" pricing is for a dealer only. PC pricing according to Amsoil site costs $20 a year. Once the 'on topic' EAO17 added to cart the price is $22.35 as @highrzr "accurately" states. And, that price does NOT include shipping costs. The $18+ shown before adding to cart is 'perhaps' for some EAO filter, but not the topic. Seems like smoke and mirrors pricing deception from Amsoil. The topic FE, ~$13 off the WM shelf, no shipping costs, no ponzi pricing.
Best to ignore the amsoil fanboy comment here. Readily available Fram FE easy choice vs amsoil with astute buyers. No need to pay Amsoil Ponzi pricing plus shipping.
I’m amsoil guy this really surprised me I have couple amsoil filters left after this no more amsoil. Now I’m looking to replace maybe Fram what do you guys use. Thank You
This comparison of products reminds me of the time I worked in a sugar refinery in Calif. After the product was made, it was sent over to the packaging department and that's where I saw that there must have been over a dozen different product bags from different brands and they were changed depending on the order. The orders were for the big name sugar brands and others were for the single use packets. The same product with different packaging. I'm sure that's the case we see here. A price differential of $10.00 for a different label. You be the judge. "Nuf said......
Your comment reminds me of years ago 1970s. When I was a teenager I used to grade potatoes, and the same thing was going on, the same potatoes went into different labeled potato bags. LOL. It probably happens with a lot of products being sold.
Mr. Wrench and youtubers in your honest opinions what is the best oil filter in the world for a 2019 F150 with the 2.7L Ecoboost engine using synthetic engine oil? Your replies are greatly appreciated. TIA
If your changing your oil at around 3000 - 5000 miles the Ford, Motorcraft filter is also a good filter to use. Walmart synthetic oil and the Motorcraft filter at Walmart will keep your engine healthy, at a low price.
I’m an Amsoil member. I run all their fluids in my vehicles. I have bought their filters and ironically, my vehicle takes this exact same filter (EAO17). I don’t pay $22+ for my filter. I get the member discount and buy the case of 12 filters ($164.75 or, $13.73 per filter). Now, being a member, I also earn a $5 credit for every $100 I spend (basically it’s a 5% discount). In short, I pay $13.04 per filter whereas you would pay $12.72 for the Fram equivalent. I get my filters shipped free to my house. My order always arrives next day (not that this matters but it is nice to order the day before I service and have all my materials). You would be spending the time, and gas money, to go to Walmart to buy the Fram equivalent to save 32 cents whereas I spend the time to order online and have all of my fluids and filters pre-saved so that I can order quickly. My point?….. you would actually be paying more per filter than i am.
!00% Spot On. No need to jump through amsoil hoops like buying in bulk, paying a membership fee, or deal with Amsoil Ponzi pricing. Just pick up the same Fram FE filter off the WM shelf for ~$13 when you need. EZ Peazy. Fram FE FTW. amsoil fanboyz can't handle facts.
For the addition of two extra pleats in the Amsoil I would not pay 10 dollars extra over Fram after seeing that in this video it clearly shows they were probably made by the same company .
All this negativity towards Amsoil lol their filters for my Acura is $10.35 and regular price is $13.30 for non members. Doesn’t matter which one you use, change your oil frequently, use Amsoil signature series engine oil or penzoil ultra platinum, and I highly recommend Amsoil ATF to go with it.
Rated at "99% @ 20 microns" and rated at "99% for particles greater than 20 microns" is essentially saying the same thing because 20.0001 microns is greater than 20 microns.
I say so too, but as I mentioned in the video, over the years I have had lots of viewers insist that there is a huge difference. Thanks for the feedback👍
@@WhipCityWrencher It's basically semantics. There isn't a huge difference between 20.00 and 20.01 microns for example, so people familiar with filter efficiency may use both terminology methods For instance, Purolator and others uses "xx% @ yy microns" while Fram uses "xx% for particles greater than yy microns". ISO 4548-12 actually says to use the terminology "for particles greater than yy microns" so that it implies that all particles above yy are included.
@ Jon O could use this explanation as he doesn't understand (or doesn't want to) that it's a distinction with no difference. But, he is an admitted Amsoil fanboy.
Great video as always, thanks!! I would have liked you to have weighed the screens, that explains the extra pleats in the Amsoil & the weight difference, thinner metal screen. Both made by Champion Labs, although the Fram chat agent denies it, LOL. Royal Purple also a Champ product with different micron rating, so apparently the brand owner can specify media type & backing. I think the pull apart test was unfair, as oil flow will be pushing the pleats toward the inside, you applied pressure FROM the inside to get it to separate.
I would like to see another Fram Titanium (only sold by Advance Auto Parts) dissected as they have eliminated the metal screen (mesh) in that line. The 10575 (Fram) is a fast mover, so you're more likely to get a more current version of it. Look inside the core with a bright LED flashlight, you will see the wire through the holes if it's there. Thanks again!! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, Bob👍Glad you liked the video, and Thanks for pointing out the seam to me I didn't realize that it may have looked bad for the oil filters.
The seam pull-apart was just to show that it can be pulled apart in case anyone was wondering. Some people who have never opened up one of these filters may not know this. If it looked like I was bashing/putting down that seam, I wasn't, in all reality any oil filter seam can all be pulled apart, metal crimped/glued/etc. Take Care😊
@@WhipCityWrencherI have avoided buying these filters because of seeing you pull apart the seam. I thought you were demonstrating how the seam might fail.
@@MountainLife1 No I wasn't, like I stated above I was just showing how they can be pulled apart.
It was just-so-you-know info that I put in the video, that's all.
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks for responding. Keep up the good work.
@@MountainLife1 You're Welcome and Thanks👍
Just got the endurance today at Walmart for the truck and car, appreciate your dedication to these oil filters inspections. You rock my man!
Thank You! I Appreciate It👍💯
Smart choice. Though I liked the OG media Ultra better at $9, the FE the only Fram I would choose now. And much smarter than buying the Ponzi priced but same Amsoil filter.
You should run your oil filter for 25,000 miles and tell us the results
FRAM $12.97
AMSOIL $22.55
FRAM the better choice
I'd agree, practically the same filter.
Good review. 👍 Interesting
Thanks drum👍
Yes sir, without a doubt. Fram FE FTW!👍👍👍
@@faxmen09 Right faxmen "..without a doubt." ...and thanks for your persistent deductive logic in the above comments.
In 10/2024, the Amsoil filter is $14.80 with a PC membership AND free shipping on $100 or more purchase.
@@alinatamashevich3354 And? It costs money just for the annual membership. You would need to be maintaining at least two vehicles just to make the membership worth buying. Amsoil is just a MLM scheme. I just love how independent dealers go and post everywhere plugging Amsoil. 9/10 times when I see Amsoil being pushed I go look at the account and see 1-2 posts, and also that the poster created the profile the same day as the plug.
Both filters made by Champ Labs, same synthetic media and for all intents and purposes the same filters. Blinded Amsoil fanboys have claimed that Amsoil used some special (Donaldson) media, but that was just bovine excrement. The FE is readily available at WM ~$13, so it is the clear and easy winner here. No need to pay multiple level marketer (Ponzi Scheme) pricing for the Amsoil. I'd choose the FE over the current cheapened media Ultra for extended ocis. Thanks for the comparison.
You're Welcome faxmen09,
I agree, I would take the New Endurance over the Ultra also.
I'm not a fan of Amsoil, but I haven't seen any Amsoil filters from before 2011 independently tested or cut open to know whether they did ever use the Donaldson media that allegedly could filter to 15 microns absolute, I dug back in the web archive and in 2010 they were still claiming 15 microns absolute but around 2011 they started claiming 20 microns absolute then later on they started saying 99%+ at 20 microns.
@@brandonupchurch7628 Perhaps in the far distant past (over a decade) the Amsoil filter may have used another media manufacturer, or even filter maker. However, that hasn't been true for some time, yet the myth seems to continue among Amsoil fanboys. Fyi, absolute means @98.7% but has become a rather obsolete term. Now with ISO 4548-12 being the standard testing, some % at some micron level more widely accepted. 99% @ 20um a common top rating now.
I’m pretty sure Fram filters are now made by first brands LLC
First Brands owns Fram and Champion Labs, but they seem to mostly keep them seperate, probably because legally in the early 2000s Rank Group bought out Champion Labs then in 2011 Honeywell had spun-off Fram Group and sold it to Rank Group which is an investment firm, so when Trico bought them they were probably still separate legally entities.
Looks like the Fram is the better deal. Both are good looking filters that will work just fine. Great job Pete.
Thanks, Robert👍
I love the investigative journalism that saves me time and money!
Glad you liked the video👍
Good no nonsense video and straight to the point. Thanks.
You're Welcome and Thanks!😊
I just threw one of these Frams on my wife's car. I usually have a bunch of wix on the shelf, but I guess I forgot to replenish last time. I don't think I'll bother anymore. Just grab a filter while I'm buying the oil at Wally World instead. Great video!
Thank You😊 and
Thanks for Sharing👍💯
Only use their ultra synthetic or extended performance ultra synthetic because the other ones are trash.
Whip, just wanted to thank you for doing this comparison! I now feel comfortable with the decision I made to run this new FE10575 synthetic endurance filter on my truck. The Amsoil filter is almost twice the price of the Fram here in Canada, for what appears to be essentially the same filter. Even the coating on the can seems to be the same, just a different color. I am running amsoil Signature Series 5w30 in my 5.0L now, but I got some Pennzoil ultra platinum 5w30 on sale for 40% off so I'll be running that next. Love your videos, keep em coming!
You're Welcome, Glad you liked the video.
IMHO the Endurance coupled with the Pennzoil Ultra is a winning combo👍
Thanks👍
Good call on the FE filter choice. No need to pay $10 more plus shipping for the same filter off the WM shelf. I also believe PUP oil will serve you well.
I always put Amsoil in my car,it is probably one the best motor oil you can buy on the market, but I always had doubts about their filters, way too expensive for my pockets. I'm glad you made this video Pete, this proof that they're not worth the extra bucks.
You're Welcome 👍
owner of a company I worked for used two company f-150 trucks for 5 years the engine with the pennzoil ultra platinum looked better when tore down than the Amsoil did. note both bought brand new at the same time. in the end the pennzoil ultra platinum one have about 3000ish miles more on it they was doing 7,000 mile oil changes.
I think it's more proof of how much Fram has stepped up their game since their dark days under Honeywell.
@@vector150both were driven the exact same duty service, same route, same conditions, same service intervals, with the same filters and by the same person?
@@AndreiDPop yes
Very good information. I just picked up the Fram Endurance due to its unreal filtering performance and construction. The best value out there at $12.97. What a nice surprise. Made in USA too!
You're Welcome and Thanks👍
I’ve worked in a couple factories, mainly food processing factories. When it comes to ketchup and other condiments; the specifications are between X weight and Y weight. So one 32oz bottle may be a couple grams off from the one next to it. That is probably what happens at these oil filter factories where it could be by weight or by how many pleats.
Hi Eric,
I think so too, there will be some minor variances from one filter to another.
They're within tolerances. The differences in these are so minor, that's what I think the differences are, just both within' tolerance. If you had enough of each filter, you would probably find two that matched perfectly.
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There is another content creator who built a flow bench and flow tested (with debris added / cold flow tested) the FRAM. It compared really well against other filters. The creator concluded the synthetic media was superior to media used in other filters.
I only use the FRAM synthetic media filters and your video re-enforces that belief. Thank you!
AMSOIL is one huge hype!!! Go with the lower-priced one!
I agree, the Fram Endurance is the same oil filter.
Yes!I would never buy it.
Not sure what "hype" you are talking about. Amsoil has and always will offer the best performing products for your vehicles. BTW, Amsoil had these filters long before any others on the market, so these are copies.
@@alinatamashevich3354 WAAAY overpriced for its performance, dude!!!
@@Funkydood First off I am NOT a "dude". Second, you can get a PC membership and pay close to dealer cost and get free shipping on over 100.00. Amsoil has had these filters for over 10 years, so all of these on the market are copy cats. And last, 20 microns is an Amsoil standard, those others, not so much.
Finally I found someone who did the blue frame endurance.. Toyota OEM or the fram endurance for me
Excellent Analysis...as thorough as possible without high tech processing equipment. Have seen the Amsoil Filter disassembled...first look at Fram's latest high endurance filter. They are the same.
Thank You,
I think they are both Champ labs made oil filters
Thank you for this video! i am a heavy amsoil guy and this really REALLY surprised me...
Earned a sub by the way! Should do a head to head for the top oil filter!!! The video will surely get tons of views!! SOOO in depth!
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I've always wondered if the Amsoil filter could really be better than any other filter. I never would have guessed they are the same as a top of the line Fram! This is some seriously good investigative reporting. Thanks for busting the case wide open. :))
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Amsoil used to be when they were using Donaldson media.
@@bobt897 If hatt was the case, it's been a long time since that was true. In any case now, same media as FE.
@@faxmen09 Ya, I think it was 2010 or 2011
@@bobt897 I've seen that time frame mentioned before, could be. That said, I've seen the fanboys continue to make the claim to the present day. So over a decade ago, a long time.
I got Fram endurance, amsoil and Royal purple oil filters and they are all the same when i open them. Same by pass valves, same anti drain back valves, , threads and base plate the same, same filter and gaskets, only difference is the logo, Brand and Colors.
Yep, all 3 made by Champ Labs.
They all may look the same, but flow, filtering performance apparently differs.
I have been using the Amsoil filters, paired with their signature series oil for some 17 years. The price gap is a lot more narrow if you’re a Preferred customer. I’m able to change my oil once a year. The oil and filter ship for free to me, so i even save the trip to the store. I think I’d spend the $5 savings in gas by going to get the Fram. Good video, though!
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Amsoil doesn’t even manufacture their own oil it’s all Mobil 1 that’s been mixed. Not saying it’s bad stuff but the reason it’s so much if because they only mix oils not produce them…
@@ebkbk9902 explain why Mobil1 does not sell 100% synthetic oil? It’s because AMSOIL is the best. Shut your mouth before I shut it for you
@@ebkbk9902 SORRY, but you know NOTHING about the AMSOIL oils! MOBIL1 is NOTHING like AMSOIL, other than it can be called a Synthetic oil, due to a lawsuit in the late 90's!
@@1gr8oil Dont be mad at the facts chevron provides the bulk oil for amsoil to blend. Unlike mobil 1 who actually manufactures their bulk oil and blends it. Shell is another company who manufactures and blends their own oil. Not many companies actually make the oil they sell they blend it.
The member price for the EA017 is $14.80 as of June 2024. Most amazing complete and comprehensive comparison I think I have ever seen!
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To me, the main difference between the two is the price. I have a Fram endurance ready to go on my car the next oil change. I'm glad that I bought it. Another great video with great info. Thank you.
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Fram for the win
Right you are. Another smart reviewer.
Same filter different color! Slight differences but not enough for me to pay double the price. I'm impressed with the fram. I wouldn't hesitate using it and im not a fan of fram!
I am going to start using Amsoil Hybrid oil for my 2024 hybrid Honda Sport, but, will save some money by using the FRAM oil filter instead of the Amsoil filter.
Good move. IMHO The Endurance is the same as the Amsoil.👍💯
They sure look the same. both are nicely made and are pretty clean. I would use either one although I use Amsoil oil for all my vehicles, I use Purolator filters because I find them to be just as good as the Amsoil filter but they’re about half the price.
You "find them" just as good? What is the filtering efficiency?
I believe “The Boss” is 99% at 25 microns. Throw a filter mag on the purolator and it is superior to any filter. Of course, throw the same filter mag on the Amsoil filter and it is superior just the same.
Both are made by Champion Labs. I would buy the Fram since they are the same Sorry Amzoil fan boyz.
Don't be sorry to the Amzoil fan boys. You are Spot On!
Great job Pete. As usual. Good filters. Theres a Fram I would use.
Thanks, Dwayne👍
I don’t know how I missed this video, but I’m a little late to the game. I’ve been an Amsoil fanboy for decades and have had great success with their products. Normally, I change my oil and filter once per year and that has equaled 15,000 miles. These days I drive a lot less and I change my oil a bit more frequently. After watching a ton of your videos I have stopped using the Amsoil filters. I prefer the Purolator Boss filters but I would be comfortable with this Fram filter as well. For the type of driving I do I use oil filters that have higher filtration rates. That being said, if I were racing or driving for extended periods at high RPM my preference would be the factory brand filters due to their higher flow rates. It appears that factory engineers have determined that lower filtration rate is acceptable and as such there is a marginally better rate of flow. I have learned a lot about oil and filters in the past few years and this channel has been instrumental in that education. I thank you for your efforts and I always look forward to your videos every Friday. It is amazing how some of the brands have changed over the years.
I'm a Purolator Boss user & occasionally a Wix XP or Napa Platinum user if I can't find the right size in The Boss, but that Fram Endurance looks solid and I wouldn't have a problem using one, I think Fram just got a bad rap in the 90's with their "orange can of death" 😆 Thanks for the informative videos, keep up the good work!
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Thanks, Pete. The similarities are uncanny. Clearly, they are made at the same place. I think the dye stain on the media may indicate which product assembly line it goes on. I guess Amsoil is outsourcing certain products. Both filters would serve well in any application.
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Yep, both were made by Champ Labs.
Crazy part beyond the Fram Endurance being the same as Amsoil and Royal Purple, but it is strange that Amsoil sells WIX filters when they do not have an Amsoil model to fit and WIX is made by Mann+Hummel and not Champion labs. They sell two different brands, but the WIX XP is basically the same filter.
I wonder if the slight differences have to do with the date of manufacture? Late 22 was when the Ultra changed the filter media with no wire backing and Fram added the Titanium to the line-up. Then the Endurance came out in early 23. This is all based off memory, so my dates could be skewed. Maybe the Amsoil spec’d the filter for slightly more pleats, either way $8-$10 isn’t worth 2sq in more media when it’s the same media.
I dont think it's a big deal either as the number of pleats can vary even if they are the same size. I've opened up the exact same filters in the past that had different numbers of pleats.
Should watch performance testing by Brand Ranks. They test the Fram endurance and amsoil filters. Fram performed very well…. Amsoil outperformed the FE by filtering almost 3X better.
No, it didn’t…
You have to watch the video first before you comment. That’s how it works.
@@golfshirtshooter633 don’t need to, no way it was 3x better. Made by champ labs, not special. At all.
Right. So, we are not to follow the objective, data driven performance conclusions. We are simply supposed to take your word for it.
No thank you. I’ll take data over your opinion.
@@golfshirtshooter633 and I’ll believe all the other real world tests available on this platform and others that prove the filter isn’t any better than RP or the Kand N or Fram FE. Your going by 1 test. My opinion is based on a multitude of tests on other sites. Not just one.
Before hyper- inflation the lowest cost amsoil oil filter was about $20 ! Now people in the know ! Know ! 👍scamzoil !
The AMSOIL filter here is $18 and change at full retail cost, and most people end up getting it for around $15. Where are you seeing “about $20?”
You are 100% correct Scotty, the topic EAO17 $22 and change and that doesn't include shipping costs. Your name for the that filter, seems appropriate here. Fram FE FTW EZ!
Pete,
I really enjoy your videos. Looks like both filters came off the same line with one getting different color paint and sticker !
Both good looking filters.
Thanks, Kevin
I like both filters also👍
Another great video. What a price difference and they’re almost the exact same filter. Your videos are proof that Fram is good quality.
Thanks, Todd👍
Enjoyed your video. Nicely done. I first used an AMSOIL filter back in 1979. They were white, not black. And AMSOIL cautioned against using their filter with a non synthetic, or it would filter the additives out of the oil. AMSOIL recommended using a HASTINGS filter in lieu of having their filter. This was back before WIX took KRALINATOR and BALDWIN took HASTINGS. My, how things have changed. My filter of choice for years was HASTINGS. Back when they were HASTINGS, not poorly disguised BALDWINs. Anyway, where I am now the AMSOIL filter has been unobtainium. Counter guy just shrugs his shoulders. Tells me to buy a WIX. I went to the dealer and bought a couple of FL500S MOTORCRAFT. I was told they're actually PUROLATOR. I don't know, but at least I can get them. So far, so good. Thanks again for a good reveal.
Hi, Victor glad you liked the video.
The Motorcrafts are Purolator made and the filters in this video are Champ Labs. made.
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Amsoil used to use Donaldson media in their filters, filtration was outstanding. Now, they are just another filter........
Thank you for a real, in-depth review
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I'm glad you liked the video, Thanks!
just so you know. just heard something at the auto parts store about mobil 1 filter glue failing under metal end caps. so my buddy was doing his oil change and uses those filters and asked if I could have it. Cut it open and the end caps easily peeled off each end. Metal end caps are glued over plastic ones under the metal. My 10 year old could of peeled these off. He is till going to use them just figured I would post here about it.
Hi vector,
Thanks for posting and Sharing👍
I've seen some other brand filters do the same thing. I show one in a video, here's a link to that video in case you missed it. th-cam.com/video/EbySqef68IM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
@@WhipCityWrencher almost looks like they are made by same company
I'm going for the $12 Fram Endurance FE10060 oil filter for my 2020 RAM 5.7 Hemi V-8 and 5W-20 Castrol Edge Full Synthetic oil.
Both look like good-quality filters. So similar, except the price. Well, the screen on these filters is also a little different. Another great comparison! A Great Weekend to You and All the Viewers! 👍😊
Hi Ella, Thanks!
Have a Great Weekend also!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks! 😊
Easy to explain the few differences. Different production runs.
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Not sure if this is reassuring for Fram or disappointing for AMSOIL. Is Fram building AMSOIL's filters or are they just buying the exact same parts from the suppliers??
Champion Labratories is making both of these oil filters.
I see they don't list one for my truck, but AMSOIL has had one forever. Wazzup with dat ?
What's the year, make, and engine on your truck?
Now can we get a fram endurance and royal purple? Unless you ready done it?
No, I haven't. I'll put it on my to-do list.
@@WhipCityWrencher thank you sir!
I love your videos keep them up. So detailed
Thanks Wrenching👍
Thanks for the info, going to try the endurance on my daughters 2019 Hyundai tuscon
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Good video. I went to Walmart yesterday (hate going in there) and bought a couple for my 21 Tacoma #9972 & a couple for our Subarus #7317. They were $12.97ea. Seem super high quality. The Toyota is a cartridge type & both orings are orange (silicone) which is also nice. No way in hell I’m running my oil 25k miles though. I usually do 7k on the truck & 6k in the Subarus.
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@chrisb94782.......................................IF you use a good HIGH QUALITY oil, you can go much further than 7,000 miles.
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I really appreciate this Chanel. Thx for all the great information 👍
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Thank you for your work!
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Close enough to the same for me...😁👍👍
Oh don't say it so someone has a filter that's identical to amsoils 😅 . I can just imagine all the fanboys will be going nuts over this. Amsoils filters are very interesting to see who sources them. I hear everything from they make their own media. To Donaldson or Baldwin making them but to amsoils specs. Kudos to Fram for coming out with a great product and not the gimmick thing that amsoil is
I’m an Amsoil member. I run all their fluids in my vehicles. I have bought their filters and ironically, my vehicle takes this exact same filter (EAO17). I don’t pay $22+ for my filter. I get the member discount and buy the case of 12 filters ($164.75 or, $13.73 per filter). Now, being a member, I also earn a $5 credit for every $100 I spend (basically it’s a 5% discount across the board since that rebate applies to ALL Amsoil products, not just filters). In short, I pay $13.04 per filter on average. And you’re paying $12.72 for the Fram equivalent and screaming “SUCKERS!!!” to people like me because you’re paying 32 cents less per filter!!!! LOL!!!
Oh, I forgot to mention….. I get my filters shipped free to my house. So the Amsoil haters like you are spending the time, and gas money, to go to Walmart to buy the Fram equivalent filter to save 32 cents.
My point?….. you are definitely paying more per filter than me! Gas money alone will bust that cost not to mention, the time and inconvenience you spend whereas I don’t have to.
Best to ignore the bloviating blather from any amsoil fanboy. No need to jump through amsoil hoops like buying in bulk and paying a membership fee. Just pick up the same filter off the WM shelf for ~$13 when you need it. Simple. Fram FE FTW.
Good job on the comparison ! Good video
Thanks Mugsy 👍
Hey whip. Happy weekend great sharing 👍
Hi Christina,
Have a Great Weekend also👍
Apparantly they are the same filter but Fram is cheaper in cost.
Both are good filters! Another great video Pete! TFS 👍 Have a nice weekend! Merri :)
Thanks Merri,
Have a Nice weekend also👍
Yep, for all intents and purposes, the same filters. Seeing as the FE is more than $10 less when shipping for the EAO, makes the FE the ez choice.
I’m stuck with Amsoil because Fram doesn’t make a premium filter for my 2022 L5P DURAMAX diesel.
Damn nice review! Im curious about the glue up consistency of the filter media into the housing. If there is a spot where its not glued well, that a leak.
Thank You👍
No, I don't think there would be any leaks.
That is the first frame filter I saw that didn't use cardboard end caps on the filter media.
Fram Ultra, Endurance, Titanium, HP, and Fram Drive, all have metal endcaps.
Thanks!
So Fram gave us a Amsoil filter with fram name on it🤔still miss those K&Ns😭they had a lot more inlet holes for oil flow and these baseplates are on the K&N HPs too
I'd say more like First Brands ( Fram and Champ owner) gave us the FE after cheapening the media on the Ultra, formerly an excellent filter for less cost. But yes, the FE an Amsoil filter by another name.
If I remember correctly, the super tech filters that walmart sells along side the fram filters are made by k&n
@@memesredacted No. K&N doesn't make any oil filters. They have been by Champ Labs though off shored for a while. But most recently made by Champ Labs.
Hey good filters but they might filter to good and actually restrict flow we got to be careful good flow is also important
Great video!
Thanks! I appreciate it👍
It's a FRAM baby! -Austin Powers
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Wow! No real difference at all. Not worth the extra $10.00 that the Amsoil costs. What a ripoff!!!! ANOTHER case where you are paying for the name and not the product. Shame on you Amsoil! Thanks for another fantastic video. You are the best at these!
Thanks, red👍
Pete for the win 👍
LOL, Thanks Ken👍
Always!
The Fram Endurance is the same as that Royal purple filter .. The manufacturers Merged together !! Cut one open and find out🎉
$12.97 for the Fram and $22.55 for the Amsoil. I don't see the justification of $9.58 extra for the Amsoil filter. Fram's high end oil filters are definitely worth looking at and are not the same as their orange cans of death.
Millions have used Fram EGs with zero problems.. I've seen far far worse than the EG.
This dissection video not something Amsoil sellers want you to see. The Ponzi scheme pricing makes the cost ridiculous. FE easily FTW here.
The EAO17 is $18 and change retail price. Dealer/pc price is about 25% lower than that (do the math). Where are you seeing $22.55?
Just to be crystal clear, Amsoil "dealer" pricing is for a dealer only. PC pricing according to Amsoil site costs $20 a year. Once the 'on topic' EAO17 added to cart the price is $22.35 as @highrzr "accurately" states. And, that price does NOT include shipping costs. The $18+ shown before adding to cart is 'perhaps' for some EAO filter, but not the topic. Seems like smoke and mirrors pricing deception from Amsoil. The topic FE, ~$13 off the WM shelf, no shipping costs, no ponzi pricing.
@@faxmen09 you really ought to look up the definition of a Ponzi scheme. Ignorance isn’t a good look on anyone.
I migh use the fram endurance on my truck 2002 f 150 now on .👍
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Why might? Ether you do or you do not. What are you using now?
I can’t speak for the OP, but I DO NOT use Fram filters. I use amsoil filters. Period.
Best to ignore the amsoil fanboy comment here. Readily available Fram FE easy choice vs amsoil with astute buyers. No need to pay Amsoil Ponzi pricing plus shipping.
Can I use a synthetic blend oil with the FE filter?!)
Yep👍
Its so hard to find them, im from uk
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I’m amsoil guy this really surprised me I have couple amsoil filters left after this no more amsoil. Now I’m looking to replace maybe Fram what do you guys use. Thank You
The Fram Endurance is a good oil filter, I'm using the Purolator Boss these days.
@@WhipCityWrencher I think it’s FE2 for 2018 F350 6.2 L thanks
@@Nick-gi6ym Here's what it looks like opened up, Thanks! th-cam.com/video/ee68Glw9_TA/w-d-xo.html
@@WhipCityWrencher thanks again
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This comparison of products reminds me of the time I worked in a sugar refinery in Calif. After the product was made, it was sent over to the packaging department and that's where I saw that there must have been over a dozen different product bags from different brands and they were changed depending on the order. The orders were for the big name sugar brands and others were for the single use packets. The same product with different packaging. I'm sure that's the case we see here. A price differential of $10.00 for a different label. You be the judge. "Nuf said......
Your comment reminds me of years ago 1970s. When I was a teenager I used to grade potatoes, and the same thing was going on, the same potatoes went into different labeled potato bags. LOL. It probably happens with a lot of products being sold.
Mr. Wrench and youtubers in your honest opinions what is the best oil filter in the world for a 2019 F150 with the 2.7L Ecoboost engine using synthetic engine oil? Your replies are greatly appreciated. TIA
I don't know of a best, but the two in this video would be pretty darn good for your Ford.
If your changing your oil at around 3000 - 5000 miles the Ford, Motorcraft filter is also a good filter to use. Walmart synthetic oil and the Motorcraft filter at Walmart will keep your engine healthy, at a low price.
Thanks for this vid! Changing my Amsoil out today and somehow don't have a spare filter... So I guess I'm gonna by the commercial equivalent
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Fram Endurance Oil Filter all the way!
Thanks for your feedback👍
For the cost difference it's Fram all the way
I’m an Amsoil member. I run all their fluids in my vehicles. I have bought their filters and ironically, my vehicle takes this exact same filter (EAO17). I don’t pay $22+ for my filter. I get the member discount and buy the case of 12 filters ($164.75 or, $13.73 per filter). Now, being a member, I also earn a $5 credit for every $100 I spend (basically it’s a 5% discount). In short, I pay $13.04 per filter whereas you would pay $12.72 for the Fram equivalent.
I get my filters shipped free to my house. My order always arrives next day (not that this matters but it is nice to order the day before I service and have all my materials). You would be spending the time, and gas money, to go to Walmart to buy the Fram equivalent to save 32 cents whereas I spend the time to order online and have all of my fluids and filters pre-saved so that I can order quickly.
My point?….. you would actually be paying more per filter than i am.
!00% Spot On. No need to jump through amsoil hoops like buying in bulk, paying a membership fee, or deal with Amsoil Ponzi pricing. Just pick up the same Fram FE filter off the WM shelf for ~$13 when you need. EZ Peazy. Fram FE FTW. amsoil fanboyz can't handle facts.
Definitely the same. 👍
I use factory filters and change my oil at 5000 miles or twice a year.
Does that green paint block the filter media? Or is it just dye and able to flow through it
I'm pretty sure its a dye.
Definitely the same filter champ labs make amsoil and royal purple and now these fram endurance filters
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Great Explaining.
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For the addition of two extra pleats in the Amsoil I would not pay 10 dollars extra over Fram after seeing that in this video it clearly shows they were probably made by the same company .
They are both made by Champ Labs. Just buy the FE off the WM shelf. EZ
They must both contract with the same manufacturer.
Yep, they look to be made by Champ Labs.
GREAT REVIEW!!!!
Thank You!👍
FRAM FOR ME ALL DAY LONG!!!
Looks like the exact same filters. Fram is probably cheaper, so I'd use it.
Good call.
Thank you!!!
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Used Fram filters for 35+ plus years, no issues. Even use same oil filter for 2 oil changes. It's all Marketing.
I use Amsoil oil but stick with Denso filter
The same but different. You need to make some difference when you make custom for another customer
The FRAM endurance, the FRAM filter that's not made by FRAM but Champ Labs .....it's probably better than a actual FRAM orange can of death FRAM
Fram is made by first brands llc.
@@dontderockmerizz3211 ,not the Endurance, it's manufactured by Champ Labs for FRAM & distributed by FRAM
@@daewooparts ahhhh, good to know.
All this negativity towards Amsoil lol their filters for my Acura is $10.35 and regular price is $13.30 for non members. Doesn’t matter which one you use, change your oil frequently, use Amsoil signature series engine oil or penzoil ultra platinum, and I highly recommend Amsoil ATF to go with it.
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Pyramid scheme nonsense
I would say they are both made by the same company
Great information!
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Rated at "99% @ 20 microns" and rated at "99% for particles greater than 20 microns" is essentially saying the same thing because 20.0001 microns is greater than 20 microns.
I say so too, but as I mentioned in the video, over the years I have had lots of viewers insist that there is a huge difference. Thanks for the feedback👍
@@WhipCityWrencher It's basically semantics. There isn't a huge difference between 20.00 and 20.01 microns for example, so people familiar with filter efficiency may use both terminology methods For instance, Purolator and others uses "xx% @ yy microns" while Fram uses "xx% for particles greater than yy microns". ISO 4548-12 actually says to use the terminology "for particles greater than yy microns" so that it implies that all particles above yy are included.
@@zeeosix Yep, Ive noticed that some are putting a + after the 99% also. LOL
@ Jon O could use this explanation as he doesn't understand (or doesn't want to) that it's a distinction with no difference. But, he is an admitted Amsoil fanboy.
Ohh boy...what to do if your an Amsoil fanboy...
"This Is Sticker" 😄
Well if you can’t tell the difference why pay the difference .unless you have sucker written on you for head 😎😎 good job 👍👍👍👍
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What do think,Amsoil guys?You’re running Fram filters!