Because they buy the cheap $5 $6 filters and try to run it 10,000 Mi and when the filter starts to come apart then blame the filter instead of their own lack of Maintenance you buy cheap stuff you get cheap stuff you buy higher end filters you get higher-end service
@@FordBossMe I change the oil on my grandmother's mazda mpv every year which has a ford 3.6/3.5 dont remember exactly. I always use the fram ultra filter because that's what's available at walmart and my only complaint is every year the damn filter crushes when I try and remove it which makes it tough because its above the exhaust in a bad spot and the gasket without fail gets stuck. I'll try the fe2 next year and see what happens. The vehicle uses the 2 size filter so it's funny you're showing the size in the video :)
Dont tighten it so much. Doesn't need to be that tight. Its not going to vibrate off. Spin till it stops then a lil twist about a half turn. Ive crushed high end filters and had to chisel filters off thanks to over tightening.
I bought a Fram endurance, Royal purple and amsoil oil filter. They all have the same filter media and all is built the same but in a different color and label. Same markings inside too!
Hello Fellow Carhaulics & Friends: Rich, thank you for your expert opinion on these 3 Fram oil filters. Have you noticed that it's us old timers that are pushing away the cloud of secrecy within the automotive industry. Yes these jiffy joints will install the cheapest filter / parts in an customer's vehicle & just send them on there way. These quick oil change places only care about 1 thing ( PROFIT ) !! For me personally I don't want to find cardboard in any filters on my vehicles. I most probably agree with you that the pink one in the middle will do nicely for a 5 k Interval. IMHO any person that purchases a filter solely on price is just asking for trouble + being totally stupid. Thank you again sir for your findings, your time, & efforts with the making of this video. May I wish you nothing but much success, good health, & my best to your family. TMP from N.J. 😊😊😊😊
thanks for letting us see this. It is appreciated. I like the middle one too. I have used fram filters for 30+ years and always do oil changes between 3 and 5 k. I had always used the low (base) price fram filters. Never had an issue with leaks or failures. The 04 f350D though, only gets the motorcraft filters due to all the horror stories I read with the fitment and seal issues. I assume its a correct choice. I did my first DIY oil change on it last week, 15 qts was a little messy on my driveway but it came out just fine. God Bless
The reason I don’t buy the top of the line filter is because they used to put the metal mesh inside the ultra filter and then about three years ago they just stop doing it. The public was pissed off and they said we just make a stronger filter element, so the metal mesh would just be overkill, then they come out with this top of the line filter using the same Metal mesh that they used to use in the frame ultra synthetic so all they did was stop using it in the ultra waited one year and started using it again calling it a different name of course i’m speaking about the endurance filter so they could charge five bucks more per filter. Meanwhile, they were giving you that already. When you bought the frame ultra, I think the endurance is just a rip off. because all the endurance is , is the old Fram ultra that we used to get three or four years ago, they think we have The attention span of a goldfish
Would have liked to see the Titanium. The Endurance is a Champion Labs made filter exclusively made for and available at Walmart, just like the Titanium is made for Advance Auto parts but on the regular Fram production line. I believe the Super Tech filters are or were made by Champion. The Titanium has the same wire backed full synthetic media as the 'old' Ultra before they went to that cellulose backing. The Endurance is a high flow filter, and advertised as such, which to go 25k it would need to be. The retail on the Endurance is $12.99. I would go with the Titanium. It has the Ultra media. One of the other things, the Champ Endurance filters have louvers instead of the holes in the center tube. I would say that the Ultra is a great filter for the money.
Yeah you're only seeing this one video I already have this information out long before this video was even posted I got other videos talking about this stuff but I appreciate you putting it here
Ultra! ... of course, I change my oil every 3000 to 5000 miles depending on how much city driving I do. I guess I'm old fashioned. I can not even comprehend a possible 20,000 mile oil change.
Price and oil change intervals depend on how long you plan to own the vehicle. You don’t get more for your used vehicle if you spend more on oil and filter. If you are keeping a vehicle long term and willing to pay for more extensive repairs then spending more on oil changes with better filters and fluids is beneficial for engine life
I have always bought the Fram Tough Guard or Synthetic depending on the oil I'm using and knock on wood have been pleased with the results. Wal-Mart offers these filters at a reasonable price.
FRAM Ultra has always treated me well. Throw a new one in with every oil change. You can get the Ultra on sale for $8-$11 depending on your vehicle. So its affordable and works great.
If I have a performance car, I will choose New 25k Filter, because it has a better circulation rate, and I will choose Ultra for daily transportation. If I change my oil every 5000 miles, do I need to change the filter every time? Is it safe to use Ultra to 10,000 miles? Thank you for letting us see what is inside those filters. God bless.
I used to use the TG when I wanted to do a cheap oil change on an import car, I now use the Super tech because inflation, oil getting changed every 6 months anyway.
What oil filter would you recommend on a Lincoln town car with the 4.6L? ST2 (SuperTech)/TG2/XG2/FE2/MicroGard ? I plan on doing 5k OCI’s with Valvoline Restore&Protect or Pennzoil Ultra Plat. Is the 4.6L an oil starve engine like 5.3 ?
It's OK but if you were going to spend that much why not just get a Titanium? It has the black grippy surface and larger inlet holes. I've seen those Endurance and that finish isn't all that grippy like that black paint. The Ultra is OK too as long as it's the old version. The new version is nice, but the old is better.
@@vincemajestyk9497 would be nice if they sold the titanium at every walmart but they don't. So it's the next best thing, ultra. My first time knowing that the fram titanium existed 😆
Just a point of information here. The Ultra cut open is not the same as the current proven cheapened media Ultra being sold by First Brands, Fram parent. The one shown is an OG Ultra original two ply full synthetic wire backed media filter. The current Ultra a significant downgrade. The New FE, a Champ Labs made full synthetic media basically same as current Amsoil filter, for less cost.
@@greghale717 You are a wise man. I said the very same thing on the vid comparing the two. The Amsoil fanboys have come at me over it, but no worries. The video is worth at least a thousand words. They are basically the same filters with the FE costing ~$10 less, not including EAO shipping. FE FTW
Hey Rich, after doing a bit of internet sleuthing, it appears the new Fram FE filters are made by Champion Labs, which are also sold as Royal Purple and Amsoil filters. One thing I like about the FE vs the XG, at least in the 10575 flavor, is that it doesn't have the thick rubberized coating on the top, so I can use a filter socket on it to loosen.
LOLOl. I just put in a Baxter Conversion in to Jeep Wrangler JK yesterday and used the FE10575 as the new filter. I come to your page and an hour ago you are reviewing the FE filter. NICE!!!!!
never had a problem when i used the mid grades.i knew they wouldnt be on long enough to take advantage high flow rates & dirt capacities.just putting a few magnets on the outsides surprised me how much metalic powder they pull out of the oil stream when cut open for observation.
Excellent comparison Rich, personally I use the Ultra, I feel the Endurance is simply overpriced! In my Camaro SS I prefer the K&N Premium, but for the Sierra and Yukon, the Fram Ultra is my go to. Thank you for taking the time to make another outstanding video. Be blessed my friend, take care, cheers!
I AGREE with RICH that the Ultra is the best bang for the buck. Ultra used to be better but they changed the filter media and took out the wire backing. With the FRAM ENDURANCE as the high flow media and still 20 microns i would have to say maybe the Endurance is better for your CAMARO while the ULTRA is good for my 2008 COROLLA. BUT I plan on SWITCHING TO THE ENDURANCE. Great Video by Rich
Seems the Ultra Synthetic is the old one we knew and trusted to be a good filter. Not sold on the new one. However, have you seen the changes to several of the Motorcraft filters? I’ve seen a different color anti drainback on the later FL-500S compared to the older units. I’m curious what other bits have changed. Might go find one to hack open.
I've seen a video where the FL1A had it's bypass location changed and it left me wondering if they were going to make changes to others. In the comments section of that video a couple of people who commented claim to be mechanics and stated there were more Motorcraft filters that had been changed. They did not give an example.
@@peskypeet I’ve heard they did change the FL-1A as well. I have not seen one as of yet but I’ll be keeping an eye out on them. I’m hopeful that the filtration spec remains unchanged as many of the later filters have loosened up filtration to increase oil flow for long oil change intervals. My 4.9 has plenty of room so I may opt for the FL-299
True. Don't know the date of manufacture, date code, of the Ultra shown, but vast majority of now the new cheapened media Ultra version. They don't hold a candle to the original OG Ultra with two ply full synthetic wire backed media filter shown here.
@@faxmen09 agreed. That particular version was top tier. Definitely light years ahead of many with great filtration and flow. Sad to see how they cheapened it.
The endurance seems to have better flow characteristics based on the inner tube. More threads on the endurance is a big plus and a thicker gasket is also a huge benefit. I wouldn’t hesitate using endurance filter on my three-quarter ton Chevrolet 6.6 L gas especially with heavy towing. More flow is a huge plus.
The cheap orange one here in Canada is around 15$ CAD. We don't have the new blue one yet, but the gold one is around 30$ CAD wich is insane money for an oil filter, same as Mobil 1's. I get the AcDelco one from Rockauto for 6$ CAD. ONly place where oil filters are priced OK.
Can’t beat the ultra for the price. The endurance looks suspiciously like royal purple and amsoil. For the price I’d get purolator boss which is what I usually use.
They just tested these in a lab setting and found that the Endurance is right up there with the Purolator Boss With flow and filtration. Both are great im glad they made a good update and not just a scam.
@@Balticblue93 Correction there. Yes the Edurance looks the same as the Royal purple Filter but but way way different performance. Look up Brand Ranks on youtube and they Endurance did way better that is close to a Purolator Boss Filter
The can of the Endurance might feel more bulky, stiff because its got the non slip on the entire thing versus the other two just for the hand area. If prices are like within pennies of each other, I'd get what evers in stock, though I highly doubt my store will ever get the Endurance. I am an avid fan and user of the Ultra Synthetic. Been using it on my vehicles now for well over 7 years.
I'm okay with the XG. I never go above 5K oil change intervals anyway. Most of my garden/tractor equipment I use the XG (about 75 hours) and the filter/synthetic oil are just fine. 25K is just insane IMO.
Interesting what Fram is doing with the lineup. Seems like the Endurance is what the Ultra used to be. If anything, if I would bet, the micron rating is inverse to what we might want to believe. You can’t have higher micron filtration and higher flow with longer filter life. It’s just not going to happen. As much as I hate the paper end caps, I have seen more residue (looks like black paint) at the bottom of the can with the Tough Guard. And shining a light from behind, the Tough Guard has more “dirt” in it then Ultra or Wix XP, Purolator Boss or any of the “long life, high capacity” filters. I’ve also seen the “black paint” on Purolator One and Baldwin as examples. These are 99% at 20 microns or better as far as I know. They are not rated as long life because they would plug. I’ve seen Baldwins start to collapse after 5000 miles. Not necessarily a bad thing as long as they don’t tear or bypass and as long as people don’t leave them on forever. I leave the “long life synthetic filters”at the store for the 20 k oil changers.
I was always told to avoid Fram filters, I either run Mobil 1 or ACDelco Filters. Great video and interesting to see the filter breakdown and overall testing products for us dude 🤙🏻
The Endurance appears to be the filter made for Amsoil. Maybe they just want to sell it under their own name, too. I just installed one of them on my car and noticed that the Endurance has a different bypass valve. No plastic plunger in the bottom of the filter. It is getting more difficult to keep up with the filter manufacturers these days!
Those are very well made filters and are really and excellent product. We have used WIX at work for years but the the Mann Hummel owners have taken to moving a lot of the small filters to China and you can tell the difference in quality overall a 57356 Honda filter made in China doesn’t even have a silicone adbv even a orange can Fram has a silicone valve
I worked for an independent auto parts store up until 6 months ago. The owner has 40+ years in the business. He stocks Wix filters. He also stocks a budget line that was supposedly made by Wix. The main warehouse that he was purchasing from changed to a different brand of budget filter. The owner was told that they were also made by Wix. The owner was not impressed with these filters and said he thought they may have been made by Champion Labs. Perhaps these filters are a Wix product made in China to a lesser quality.
@@mlieser1230 Champion labs on a lot of filters uses the E core center which is plastic that you can see fairly easy and that is a give away for sure. I thought when I heard Mann Hummel would be a step up from a holding company ownership but doesn’t look like it
Our shop uses primarily Wix and Wix XP. We’ve seen the majority made in the US. Wix air filters come from Mexico, China and Slovenia. Mann filter has factories across the globe. Although we avoided many Chinese made parts, the Wix XP line appears to be a great engine oil filter with no quality issues. 🤷🏻♂️
@@jimhaines8370 As many others would say the Mann & Hummel purchase of WIX has not been a good thing on the end product. For one I see much more of their filters air filters having material in areas that block air intake. On some of their oil filters they have gone to a cheaper bypass design and many now have excessive glue on the outside of the pleats. Sad to say these are no longer the days in the US when WIX ruled.
@@peskypeet I agree like the guy that replied to my other post they said it was due to the China virus but we are seeing many many more filters that were US made becoming China made imports with some things cheapened up at the same time prices going up and you can see the difference in the product and this includes XP products also
Years ago I had a cheap filter come loose inside. The oil was like mole asses! Lol I motor flushed. Sad it rattled and sloshed. Cheapy creepy is so chancy!
I might have given you some hardache on another post unintentionally. You posting, supported by another analysis of the basic Fram oil filter caused me to purchase the Fram ultra synthetic oil filter. Flow rate, filtration along with stout built of the Fram ultra synthetic convinced me to switch with my next oil change this month. Problem i have, what to do with my regular Fram orange can oil filter? Thanks 👌
Hard to determine the best filter by looking at the materials used. I'm sure Fram designed the filter medium to perform in a certain way to give us the life expectancy. People also use different brands of oil which could effect engine wear? I chose the Endurance this time around and will be doing a drain and fill every 5,000 miles till I get 25,000 miles out of it. I use 0W20 Extended Protection Valvoline oil on my toyota Corolla. I plan on having this car a very long time and it is worth it to me to do short interval oil changes. Oil is cheaper than a worn out engine. Toyota recommends 10,000 mile intervals on my 2021.
back when you were testing all the different oil filters which one came out be number one. I can't find final video with results. I have used K&N gold for years. Congratulations on the new job
In filtering tests the ppm numbers for the Synthetic Endurance are significantly better although the Ultra's filtering is itself excellent. The Tough Guard's performance is abysmal in contrast. I wouldn't use the Tough Guard.
Except the old Ultra isn't available anymore for most cars. The Fram Synthetic Endurance is the same as an Amsoil and Royal Purple. The Wix XP uses the nylon backing not steel.
They’re all rated for 20 microns. I have no idea why they don’t put it on the tough guard box. Btw that’s the old style ultra, the new one has a single layer of synthetic bonded to their cellulose media, not wire backed
I usually get fram because they are available mostly buy the cheapest one because I change oil every 5000 miles and use synthetic. Not sure if the synthetic filters really make a difference in protection
I don't know if it's me or this is real but it seems like after using Marvel Mystery Oil in my tank a few times I don't have as much ping. I never changed gas brands either.
i got sketched out by the internet bs and thought fram was all trash... now i only use wix xp filters... not sure what filter is actually the best for my ls application. i now the fomoco filters are quality from a previous video you made when you did an oil change on your woman's gmc.
My only concern with Fram was the moisture I have found in the bottom of the Fram filters brand new in the store and the casing started to rust on them. Just make sure to look inside before you buy! Be aware that's all I'm saying 😊
I've seen that with every single filter on the market so I understand that's your concern but because of what I do in the industry and the volume of which I do this and the amount of filters and stuff that I could open I see that in all makes not just Fram
I've had Wix filters not seal probably on the GMC Sierra and end up leaking I've had mobile filters not seal properly and have moisture and oil down on the bottom of them I've literally had this type of stuff happen with most oil filter brands out there because they're not all perfect and they all get mass produced so there's bound to be one or two or a handful in your lifetime that you're going to see not from the same company but all of them I don't understand where this mindset is old this only one company this happens with and it doesn't it happens with all of them
@Ford Boss Me ok good to know! I just make sure I open the box before I buy now, I look inside the filter and make sure it has the oring as well. Thanks man!!
@@feyrband That's not moisture guys... it's actually a thin coating of machine oil to keep the inside of the filters fresh during shipping and while sitting on store shelves. I cut open a few spare filters I had laying around one day... 👍🏽
Kinda' right there with you rich, after seeing all three I don't see the benefit of spending the extra money. That being said, with all three of my vehicles pushing 200k or more, I see more benefit in using a good quality full synthetic oil with MMO added with a good quality filter and changing it @ 4k or less. I would be interested in data on vehicles that are parked a lot and see less mileage... my gut feeling is that the quality of the oil plays a huge part and the recommended 6 month interval isn't that accurate... all comments are welcome. Be Blessed Everyone
The newer FRAM Endurance isn't even a FRAM, look at the can ,looks like a Champ Labs built filter, the baseplate has a outie bellybutton & traditional FRAM are a innie 😂
I change my oil every 5000 miles on 2017 Subaru outback. Is it safe to change these filters every 5 oil changes? At $10 a filter I cange them each oil change for peace of mind but am i wasting money? Im trying ultra platinum oil this weekend, been using Valvoline high mileage. Use to use moble 1 but Valvoline ran so much smoother and quiet so looking forward to see how platinum does. Thanks for all you info!
@@FordBossMe I know but I like using a good quality filter and I'm okay with$10 but is that okay to use that filter for three or four oil changes before you change it again? Or is it best to replace it each time? Thank you again very much rich
That is very strange, if you watch "whipcitywrench" if it says "perfect seal gasket" instead of metal screen its supposed to be the newer version, I thought the new one had a better efficiency for microns as well??
That is correct the newer one does have a tighter efficiency at the lower Micron levels by a little bit and I'm the one that actually came up with that information for the internet to share because I got that directly from Fram
I am not a FRAM guy ,but would pick the Ultra over the Endurance....he'll I'll just get a Delco Gold over the Endurance, looks like the Endurance is built by Champ Labs ,the very same factory 🏭 who builds them both
For my civic it runs the xg7317 but unfortunately they took the metal screen out of the Fram ultra so I don’t mind paying a couple extra bucks for the synthetic endurance 🤷🏻♂️ but that’s just me I don’t cheap out when it comes to my car
There's a reason why they took the screen out and I covered that on another video it's to make it even more efficient and add more filtering media to the inside
do you think the new FRAM ultra provides good enough flow for the 5.0 coyote engine, I saw a video where it had more pressure than other filters, I don't want to starve my engine. Thanks!
I like wix filters... i managed an auto parts store and our #1 selling filter is a fram filter... I always bought my wix filter at our competition auto part store... To this day i only use wix oil filters
Ehhh the filter cult thing has always been a struggle for me to deal with Wix is great indeed and we all have preference but I've delt with issues with ALL of them
Always the ultra synthetic. Makes good economic sense and is a superior quality product. Now let's talk about oils......Pennzoil ultra platinum full synthetic anyone?
It's interesting that the Endurance has a label attached to the can....while even the cheaper Tough Guard can has the Fram info painted on. I will say the blue can does look pretty cool.
It’s so weird how some of those ultras still have the old media I wish the ultra filter number XG7317 that I use for my Honda civic still had the old ultra media but it doesn’t it has the new ultra filter media 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ oh well it is what it is
Id love To see filters independant shops use. Each store has their basic commercial line that every indeoendant shop ive worked uses. Always been curious. Out of these 3 i like the gold but i chamge my fluids at recomended intervals and only put about two oil changes a year on an auto and 3 on the bike. Because i run deisel oil in my bike. The wet clutch loves it. And also the cost i cheaper and my bike is 36 yrs old. Deisel oil has better properties than motorcyxle oil imo. Im also curious if my opinion on that is correct. Thanks for your hard work doing this soending your own money to bring proof to these things you do. I appreciate it.
If you don’t care about your vehicle , go with 20 to 25 k filters. It’s immoral for these companies to make people believe that it’s a good to go extreme mileage before charging oil and filter.
I'm a 20K - 25K oil OCI guy. My 2008 F150 is closing in on 400K miles with the original 5.4 Triton motor. I get cheap 3 dollar generic oil filters on Amazon and run Mobil 1 5W/30. It burns about a quart every 1000 miles. Only problems I have had was a water pump at 225K and steering box/pitman arm recently from off road abuse. I don't buy into why anyone would waste their money on these expensive filters.
@@FordBossMe I get it. Of course I have over 35 years of anecdotal data over dozens of fleet vehicles and generators that prove frequent oil changes are a waste. As long as you are using a good synthetic and keep fuel filters changed and air filter clean (200 hour intervals) it's extremely rare to get an oil related failure. On our fleet trucks and generators we were doing 2K - 3K hr OCI's. everything from Isuzu, Volvo, Cat, etc. Company gas vehicles were going 20K - 25K OCI's as well.
Endurance is overpriced for what it is. Dollar to dollar it's not worth extra $4 for me since xg4967 is $8.97 and fe4967 is $12.97 at my Walmart. BITOG users have shown it's a rebranded amsoil/royal purple. Am excited for revamp on lower end fram filters since I've seen videos on here showing they're fram branded Supertech filters. Nylon core and metal end caps with mobil1 filter media, 99% at 20 microns
There's a interesting you tube video out there where they rig up a test station... selected 4 filters Fram ultra k&n super tech and mobile 1...Fram had 3 pounds less psi pressure after the filter... do you think that it will affect oiling the engine ? I tried to post video but won't let me. Thanks boss
Why do people hate fram so much
Because they buy the cheap $5 $6 filters and try to run it 10,000 Mi and when the filter starts to come apart then blame the filter instead of their own lack of Maintenance you buy cheap stuff you get cheap stuff you buy higher end filters you get higher-end service
@@FordBossMe I change the oil on my grandmother's mazda mpv every year which has a ford 3.6/3.5 dont remember exactly. I always use the fram ultra filter because that's what's available at walmart and my only complaint is every year the damn filter crushes when I try and remove it which makes it tough because its above the exhaust in a bad spot and the gasket without fail gets stuck. I'll try the fe2 next year and see what happens. The vehicle uses the 2 size filter so it's funny you're showing the size in the video :)
Dont tighten it so much. Doesn't need to be that tight.
Its not going to vibrate off. Spin till it stops then a lil twist about a half turn.
Ive crushed high end filters and had to chisel filters off thanks to over tightening.
Boomers gonna boom
@@anandchundi6805 You change the oil once a year? Eugh!
I bought a Fram endurance, Royal purple and amsoil oil filter. They all have the same filter media and all is built the same but in a different color and label. Same markings inside too!
Hello Fellow Carhaulics & Friends: Rich, thank you for your expert opinion on these 3 Fram oil filters. Have you noticed that it's us old timers that are pushing away the cloud of secrecy within the automotive industry. Yes these jiffy joints will install the cheapest filter / parts in an customer's vehicle & just send them on there way. These quick oil change places only care about 1 thing ( PROFIT ) !! For me personally I don't want to find cardboard in any filters on my vehicles. I most probably agree with you that the pink one in the middle will do nicely for a 5 k Interval. IMHO any person that purchases a filter solely on price is just asking for trouble + being totally stupid. Thank you again sir for your findings, your time, & efforts with the making of this video. May I wish you nothing but much success, good health, & my best to your family. TMP from N.J. 😊😊😊😊
Been using Fram for more than 25 years on trucks, cars, farm equipment, etc. Not one problem. Ever.
thanks for letting us see this. It is appreciated. I like the middle one too. I have used fram filters for 30+ years and always do oil changes between 3 and 5 k. I had always used the low (base) price fram filters. Never had an issue with leaks or failures. The 04 f350D though, only gets the motorcraft filters due to all the horror stories I read with the fitment and seal issues. I assume its a correct choice. I did my first DIY oil change on it last week, 15 qts was a little messy on my driveway but it came out just fine. God Bless
The reason I don’t buy the top of the line filter is because they used to put the metal mesh inside the ultra filter and then about three years ago they just stop doing it. The public was pissed off and they said we just make a stronger filter element, so the metal mesh would just be overkill, then they come out with this top of the line filter using the same Metal mesh that they used to use in the frame ultra synthetic so all they did was stop using it in the ultra waited one year and started using it again calling it a different name of course i’m speaking about the endurance filter so they could charge five bucks more per filter. Meanwhile, they were giving you that already. When you bought the frame ultra, I think the endurance is just a rip off. because all the endurance is , is the old Fram ultra that we used to get three or four years ago, they think we have The attention span of a goldfish
Would have liked to see the Titanium. The Endurance is a Champion Labs made filter exclusively made for and available at Walmart, just like the Titanium is made for Advance Auto parts but on the regular Fram production line. I believe the Super Tech filters are or were made by Champion. The Titanium has the same wire backed full synthetic media as the 'old' Ultra before they went to that cellulose backing. The Endurance is a high flow filter, and advertised as such, which to go 25k it would need to be. The retail on the Endurance is $12.99. I would go with the Titanium. It has the Ultra media. One of the other things, the Champ Endurance filters have louvers instead of the holes in the center tube. I would say that the Ultra is a great filter for the money.
Yeah you're only seeing this one video I already have this information out long before this video was even posted I got other videos talking about this stuff but I appreciate you putting it here
Ultra! ... of course, I change my oil every 3000 to 5000 miles depending on how much city driving I do. I guess I'm old fashioned. I can not even comprehend a possible 20,000 mile oil change.
Price and oil change intervals depend on how long you plan to own the vehicle. You don’t get more for your used vehicle if you spend more on oil and filter. If you are keeping a vehicle long term and willing to pay for more extensive repairs then spending more on oil changes with better filters and fluids is beneficial for engine life
I like the new high flow synthetic fram filter.on my truck now.
They updated the orange can filter with metal end caps and some other stuff. Would like to see that. Appreciate all the testing and experimenting.
I have always bought the Fram Tough Guard or Synthetic depending on the oil I'm using and knock on wood have been pleased with the results. Wal-Mart offers these filters at a reasonable price.
FRAM Ultra has always treated me well. Throw a new one in with every oil change. You can get the Ultra on sale for $8-$11 depending on your vehicle. So its affordable and works great.
Yup, i always change the filter every oil change even if i go 3,500 miles. Better safe than sorry!
Extra Guard and Tough Guard are junk. The Ultra is a good filter, and the Endurance, as expected, is an even better one.
Fram Ultra and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 in my '17 F150 5.0...
Great video as always Ford Boss.
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Thanks 👍
If I have a performance car, I will choose New 25k Filter, because it has a better circulation rate, and I will choose Ultra for daily transportation. If I change my oil every 5000 miles, do I need to change the filter every time? Is it safe to use Ultra to 10,000 miles? Thank you for letting us see what is inside those filters. God bless.
I used to use the TG when I wanted to do a cheap oil change on an import car, I now use the Super tech because inflation, oil getting changed every 6 months anyway.
What oil filter would you recommend on a Lincoln town car with the 4.6L?
ST2 (SuperTech)/TG2/XG2/FE2/MicroGard ? I plan on doing 5k OCI’s with Valvoline Restore&Protect or Pennzoil Ultra Plat.
Is the 4.6L an oil starve engine like 5.3 ?
Oe - fl820 motorcraft
I'm not all that impressed with that new Endurance filter. I would honestly just stick with the Ultra Synthetic and call it a day!
It's OK but if you were going to spend that much why not just get a Titanium? It has the black grippy surface and larger inlet holes. I've seen those Endurance and that finish isn't all that grippy like that black paint. The Ultra is OK too as long as it's the old version. The new version is nice, but the old is better.
@@vincemajestyk9497 would be nice if they sold the titanium at every walmart but they don't. So it's the next best thing, ultra. My first time knowing that the fram titanium existed 😆
Just a point of information here. The Ultra cut open is not the same as the current proven cheapened media Ultra being sold by First Brands, Fram parent. The one shown is an OG Ultra original two ply full synthetic wire backed media filter. The current Ultra a significant downgrade. The New FE, a Champ Labs made full synthetic media basically same as current Amsoil filter, for less cost.
@@faxmen09 Yep, there was another video comparing the FE10575 to the Amoil EAO17. Exact same filter!
@@greghale717 You are a wise man. I said the very same thing on the vid comparing the two. The Amsoil fanboys have come at me over it, but no worries. The video is worth at least a thousand words. They are basically the same filters with the FE costing ~$10 less, not including EAO shipping. FE FTW
Hey Rich, after doing a bit of internet sleuthing, it appears the new Fram FE filters are made by Champion Labs, which are also sold as Royal Purple and Amsoil filters. One thing I like about the FE vs the XG, at least in the 10575 flavor, is that it doesn't have the thick rubberized coating on the top, so I can use a filter socket on it to loosen.
LOLOl. I just put in a Baxter Conversion in to Jeep Wrangler JK yesterday and used the FE10575 as the new filter. I come to your page and an hour ago you are reviewing the FE filter. NICE!!!!!
I like the motocraft myself every 5000 miles and they inexpensive. Nice job bro
Very good in depth video. That synthetic endurance looks pretty well built.
It does!
yes, There is a lab test on youtube now and the endurance came on top. and is only 12 dollars
never had a problem when i used the mid grades.i knew they wouldnt be on long enough to take advantage high flow rates & dirt capacities.just putting a few magnets on the outsides surprised me how much metalic powder they pull out of the oil stream when cut open for observation.
Excellent comparison Rich, personally I use the Ultra, I feel the Endurance is simply overpriced! In my Camaro SS I prefer the K&N Premium, but for the Sierra and Yukon, the Fram Ultra is my go to. Thank you for taking the time to make another outstanding video. Be blessed my friend, take care, cheers!
I AGREE with RICH that the Ultra is the best bang for the buck. Ultra used to be better but they changed the filter media and took out the wire backing. With the FRAM ENDURANCE as the high flow media and still 20 microns i would have to say maybe the Endurance is better for your CAMARO while the ULTRA is good for my 2008 COROLLA. BUT I plan on SWITCHING TO THE ENDURANCE. Great Video by Rich
I’ve been using Fram ultra synthetic for years.
25,000 mile filter.
Hopefully it has a good bypass since it will be bypassed for 20,000 miles.
Seems the Ultra Synthetic is the old one we knew and trusted to be a good filter. Not sold on the new one.
However, have you seen the changes to several of the Motorcraft filters? I’ve seen a different color anti drainback on the later FL-500S compared to the older units. I’m curious what other bits have changed. Might go find one to hack open.
I've seen a video where the FL1A had it's bypass location changed and it left me wondering if they were going to make changes to others. In the comments section of that video a couple of people who commented claim to be mechanics and stated there were more Motorcraft filters that had been changed. They did not give an example.
@@peskypeet I’ve heard they did change the FL-1A as well. I have not seen one as of yet but I’ll be keeping an eye out on them. I’m hopeful that the filtration spec remains unchanged as many of the later filters have loosened up filtration to increase oil flow for long oil change intervals. My 4.9 has plenty of room so I may opt for the FL-299
True. Don't know the date of manufacture, date code, of the Ultra shown, but vast majority of now the new cheapened media Ultra version. They don't hold a candle to the original OG Ultra with two ply full synthetic wire backed media filter shown here.
@@faxmen09 agreed. That particular version was top tier. Definitely light years ahead of many with great filtration and flow. Sad to see how they cheapened it.
The endurance seems to have better flow characteristics based on the inner tube. More threads on the endurance is a big plus and a thicker gasket is also a huge benefit. I wouldn’t hesitate using endurance filter on my three-quarter ton Chevrolet 6.6 L gas especially with heavy towing. More flow is a huge plus.
The cheap orange one here in Canada is around 15$ CAD. We don't have the new blue one yet, but the gold one is around 30$ CAD wich is insane money for an oil filter, same as Mobil 1's. I get the AcDelco one from Rockauto for 6$ CAD. ONly place where oil filters are priced OK.
Can’t beat the ultra for the price. The endurance looks suspiciously like royal purple and amsoil. For the price I’d get purolator boss which is what I usually use.
They just tested these in a lab setting and found that the Endurance is right up there with the Purolator Boss With flow and filtration. Both are great im glad they made a good update and not just a scam.
@@Balticblue93 Correction there. Yes the Edurance looks the same as the Royal purple Filter but but way way different performance. Look up Brand Ranks on youtube and they Endurance did way better that is close to a Purolator Boss Filter
The can of the Endurance might feel more bulky, stiff because its got the non slip on the entire thing versus the other two just for the hand area. If prices are like within pennies of each other, I'd get what evers in stock, though I highly doubt my store will ever get the Endurance. I am an avid fan and user of the Ultra Synthetic. Been using it on my vehicles now for well over 7 years.
I'll be honest, I've walked into 3 Walmarts so far that all are carrying the Synthetic Endurance filter! Keep a look out!
Stick with the ultra synthetic, it is a good value
I'm okay with the XG. I never go above 5K oil change intervals anyway. Most of my garden/tractor equipment I use the XG (about 75 hours) and the filter/synthetic oil are just fine. 25K is just insane IMO.
It'd be interesting to see an engine that followed an extended oil change interval......for science you know.
Same here. I've been using supertech and now more recently Purolator tech filters since their $2.40 cents each.
Could just leave the filter in place for a couple oil change intervals.
@@josephphillips865 try that in yours and let us know
FRAM's come a long way from its "cheapo" quality days!
Interesting what Fram is doing with the lineup. Seems like the Endurance is what the Ultra used to be. If anything, if I would bet, the micron rating is inverse to what we might want to believe. You can’t have higher micron filtration and higher flow with longer filter life. It’s just not going to happen. As much as I hate the paper end caps, I have seen more residue (looks like black paint) at the bottom of the can with the Tough Guard. And shining a light from behind, the Tough Guard has more “dirt” in it then Ultra or Wix XP, Purolator Boss or any of the “long life, high capacity” filters. I’ve also seen the “black paint” on Purolator One and Baldwin as examples. These are 99% at 20 microns or better as far as I know. They are not rated as long life because they would plug. I’ve seen Baldwins start to collapse after 5000 miles. Not necessarily a bad thing as long as they don’t tear or bypass and as long as people don’t leave them on forever. I leave the “long life synthetic filters”at the store for the 20 k oil changers.
I was always told to avoid Fram filters, I either run Mobil 1 or ACDelco Filters. Great video and interesting to see the filter breakdown and overall testing products for us dude 🤙🏻
In the old days fram was cheaply made. Things have changed as you can see as they have to keep up or exceed competition
@@anthonyguess5528 nice 👍🏻
Love to see the efficiency report on the endurance and titanium.
Should've added the fram titanium to the comparison
From what I have read in automotive forums and groups the Fram TG, Tough Guard is basically the same as the blue OEM Subaru oil filter.
The Endurance appears to be the filter made for Amsoil. Maybe they just want to sell it under their own name, too. I just installed one of them on my car and noticed that the Endurance has a different bypass valve. No plastic plunger in the bottom of the filter. It is getting more difficult to keep up with the filter manufacturers these days!
Those are very well made filters and are really and excellent product. We have used WIX at work for years but the the Mann Hummel owners have taken to moving a lot of the small filters to China and you can tell the difference in quality overall a 57356 Honda filter made in China doesn’t even have a silicone adbv even a orange can Fram has a silicone valve
I worked for an independent auto parts store up until 6 months ago. The owner has 40+ years in the business. He stocks Wix filters. He also stocks a budget line that was supposedly made by Wix. The main warehouse that he was purchasing from changed to a different brand of budget filter. The owner was told that they were also made by Wix. The owner was not impressed with these filters and said he thought they may have been made by Champion Labs. Perhaps these filters are a Wix product made in China to a lesser quality.
@@mlieser1230 Champion labs on a lot of filters uses the E core center which is plastic that you can see fairly easy and that is a give away for sure. I thought when I heard Mann Hummel would be a step up from a holding company ownership but doesn’t look like it
Our shop uses primarily Wix and Wix XP. We’ve seen the majority made in the US. Wix air filters come from Mexico, China and Slovenia. Mann filter has factories across the globe. Although we avoided many Chinese made parts, the Wix XP line appears to be a great engine oil filter with no quality issues. 🤷🏻♂️
@@jimhaines8370 As many others would say the Mann & Hummel purchase of WIX has not been a good thing on the end product. For one I see much more of their filters air filters having material in areas that block air intake. On some of their oil filters they have gone to a cheaper bypass design and many now have excessive glue on the outside of the pleats. Sad to say these are no longer the days in the US when WIX ruled.
@@peskypeet I agree like the guy that replied to my other post they said it was due to the China virus but we are seeing many many more filters that were US made becoming China made imports with some things cheapened up at the same time prices going up and you can see the difference in the product and this includes XP products also
Years ago I had a cheap filter come loose inside. The oil was like mole asses! Lol I motor flushed. Sad it rattled and sloshed. Cheapy creepy is so chancy!
I might have given you some hardache on another post unintentionally. You posting, supported by another analysis of the basic Fram oil filter caused me to purchase the Fram ultra synthetic oil filter. Flow rate, filtration along with stout built of the Fram ultra synthetic convinced me to switch with my next oil change this month. Problem i have, what to do with my regular Fram orange can oil filter? Thanks 👌
😂😂😂. I was hoping for a little clarification. Thanks for the content
The Endurance is one of the best filters you can buy. The Ultra and Tough are better then what most people need for daily’s.
Purchased the new Fram Endurance Filter for my 2018 Expedition recently. It was about an inch taller than the compatible Fram Ultra filter 😮
I have used the Ultra with no issue. But I do prefer Wix, Baldwin, Hastings,
Hard to determine the best filter by looking at the materials used. I'm sure Fram designed the filter medium to perform in a certain way to give us the life expectancy. People also use different brands of oil which could effect engine wear? I chose the Endurance this time around and will be doing a drain and fill every 5,000 miles till I get 25,000 miles out of it. I use 0W20 Extended Protection Valvoline oil on my toyota Corolla. I plan on having this car a very long time and it is worth it to me to do short interval oil changes. Oil is cheaper than a worn out engine. Toyota recommends 10,000 mile intervals on my 2021.
Would have liked to see the filter media stretched out and sq" shown. Great test though. I like Fram filters.
I just picked up 6 fram endurance filters that were on clearance for $3.50, thats the only reason i bought them
Are the new ultras without the screen still good filters or are they too restrictive
back when you were testing all the different oil filters which one came out be number one. I can't find final video with results. I have used K&N gold for years. Congratulations on the new job
I like the oe Ford for most affordable and my top top overall filter is puralator boss
@@FordBossMe Thanks, I respect your opinion.
I thought you really liked the purolator Boss?
In filtering tests the ppm numbers for the Synthetic Endurance are significantly better although the Ultra's filtering is itself excellent. The Tough Guard's performance is abysmal in contrast. I wouldn't use the Tough Guard.
I have been using Fram filters since 1992. I see absolutely no reason to change. It is all personal choice.
I'll stick with the XG and probably not going to use another TG again.
Except the old Ultra isn't available anymore for most cars. The Fram Synthetic Endurance is the same as an Amsoil and Royal Purple. The Wix XP uses the nylon backing not steel.
Same principle you understand what I'm saying we don't have to be politically correct
They’re all rated for 20 microns. I have no idea why they don’t put it on the tough guard box. Btw that’s the old style ultra, the new one has a single layer of synthetic bonded to their cellulose media, not wire backed
Are the engine air filters just as good? I want to get the Fram Ultra Air engine filter but people say that they're not high quality.
I usually get fram because they are available mostly buy the cheapest one because I change oil every 5000 miles and use synthetic. Not sure if the synthetic filters really make a difference in protection
I've used fram for 45 years, no problems At All hand tighten per instructor my Grandfather miss him Dearly....
Could I use a synthetic blend oil with the FE filter??!
Yes
That's strange, the synthetic endurance for my truck was bigger than the mobil 1 and ultra guard filters.
Older video but I switched from wix to the fram endurance because of this video.
Honestly, you’re my fav automotive TH-camr. Stay real Rich.
For your F150 5.0, would u run the newer style ultra with the dual media, or this high flow synthetic endurance? curious on your opinion.
I appreciate that!
Honestly I'm thinking about trying it just to see what it's like
The new one
I don't know if it's me or this is real but it seems like after using Marvel Mystery Oil in my tank a few times I don't have as much ping. I never changed gas brands either.
i got sketched out by the internet bs and thought fram was all trash... now i only use wix xp filters... not sure what filter is actually the best for my ls application. i now the fomoco filters are quality from a previous video you made when you did an oil change on your woman's gmc.
Im a fan of Wix filters, whats you feeling on them, the regular and the synthetic filter. Thanks
They are good too, he does side by side comparisons of all of them, search his channel
They make good filters
My only concern with Fram was the moisture I have found in the bottom of the Fram filters brand new in the store and the casing started to rust on them. Just make sure to look inside before you buy! Be aware that's all I'm saying 😊
I've seen that with every single filter on the market so I understand that's your concern but because of what I do in the industry and the volume of which I do this and the amount of filters and stuff that I could open I see that in all makes not just Fram
I've had Wix filters not seal probably on the GMC Sierra and end up leaking I've had mobile filters not seal properly and have moisture and oil down on the bottom of them I've literally had this type of stuff happen with most oil filter brands out there because they're not all perfect and they all get mass produced so there's bound to be one or two or a handful in your lifetime that you're going to see not from the same company but all of them I don't understand where this mindset is old this only one company this happens with and it doesn't it happens with all of them
@@FordBossMedo you know if that moisture is from condensation while in storage/shipping or something else?
@Ford Boss Me ok good to know! I just make sure I open the box before I buy now, I look inside the filter and make sure it has the oring as well. Thanks man!!
@@feyrband That's not moisture guys... it's actually a thin coating of machine oil to keep the inside of the filters fresh during shipping and while sitting on store shelves.
I cut open a few spare filters I had laying around one day...
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thanks for the info have a good day brother.👍👍
Kinda' right there with you rich, after seeing all three I don't see the benefit of spending the extra money. That being said, with all three of my vehicles pushing 200k or more, I see more benefit in using a good quality full synthetic oil with MMO added with a good quality filter and changing it @ 4k or less. I would be interested in data on vehicles that are parked a lot and see less mileage... my gut feeling is that the quality of the oil plays a huge part and the recommended 6 month interval isn't that accurate... all comments are welcome. Be Blessed Everyone
cardboard endcap..avoid if possible.very good comparison.thank you again.🌚👍
I don't feel comfortable with the smaller surface area in the newer one, nix on that for me
The newer FRAM Endurance isn't even a FRAM, look at the can ,looks like a Champ Labs built filter, the baseplate has a outie bellybutton & traditional FRAM are a innie 😂
How about comparing fram xg2 vs Purolator boss? What are your thoughts on them? Thx.
I change my oil every 5000 miles on 2017 Subaru outback. Is it safe to change these filters every 5 oil changes? At $10 a filter I cange them each oil change for peace of mind but am i wasting money? Im trying ultra platinum oil this weekend, been using Valvoline high mileage. Use to use moble 1 but Valvoline ran so much smoother and quiet so looking forward to see how platinum does. Thanks for all you info!
To say you're wasting money I would say no but can you use a more economical filter and still do the same thing and spend less money yes
@@FordBossMe I know but I like using a good quality filter and I'm okay with$10 but is that okay to use that filter for three or four oil changes before you change it again? Or is it best to replace it each time? Thank you again very much rich
The engine in my frontier seems like it doesnt have to work as hard when i switched from ultra to endurance
That is very strange, if you watch "whipcitywrench" if it says "perfect seal gasket" instead of metal screen its supposed to be the newer version, I thought the new one had a better efficiency for microns as well??
That is correct the newer one does have a tighter efficiency at the lower Micron levels by a little bit and I'm the one that actually came up with that information for the internet to share because I got that directly from Fram
I am not a FRAM guy ,but would pick the Ultra over the Endurance....he'll I'll just get a Delco Gold over the Endurance, looks like the Endurance is built by Champ Labs ,the very same factory 🏭 who builds them both
Rich, I have been using a Fram High Mileage filter (HM3600) on a 2009 Flex with 200,000 miles. Have you ever investigated that series of filter?
No
You're a fool if you didn't pick the endurance, hands down the best filter out there.
Looks like the silver filter still has a decent metal lining
Ehhhh nahhh
For my civic it runs the xg7317 but unfortunately they took the metal screen out of the Fram ultra so I don’t mind paying a couple extra bucks for the synthetic endurance 🤷🏻♂️ but that’s just me I don’t cheap out when it comes to my car
There's a reason why they took the screen out and I covered that on another video it's to make it even more efficient and add more filtering media to the inside
@@FordBossMe no I know why they took it out I just like using filters that have wire backing it helps me sleep at night lol
do you think the new FRAM ultra provides good enough flow for the 5.0 coyote engine, I saw a video where it had more pressure than other filters, I don't want to starve my engine. Thanks!
It would probably be fine but I would use a Purolator boss or a Motorcraft
I like wix filters... i managed an auto parts store and our #1 selling filter is a fram filter...
I always bought my wix filter at our competition auto part store...
To this day i only use wix oil filters
Ehhh the filter cult thing has always been a struggle for me to deal with
Wix is great indeed and we all have preference but I've delt with issues with ALL of them
Great video, thanks Rich 👍😁
My pleasure!
I like the 2 upper models but would never run the tv that many miles.for that matter I wouldn't run any of them beyond 7 thousand miles.
Always the ultra synthetic. Makes good economic sense and is a superior quality product. Now let's talk about oils......Pennzoil ultra platinum full synthetic anyone?
There's a whole Channel full of oil here for you
It's interesting that the Endurance has a label attached to the can....while even the cheaper Tough Guard can has the Fram info painted on. I will say the blue can does look pretty cool.
Different production lines. Endurance is produced on the Champion Labs line which was acquired a long time ago by Fram.
You want more screen area and filtering %. None of those cans will leak or pop
It’s so weird how some of those ultras still have the old media I wish the ultra filter number XG7317 that I use for my Honda civic still had the old ultra media but it doesn’t it has the new ultra filter media 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ oh well it is what it is
How does the new fram ultra synthetic without the metal mesh compare to the old ultra synthetic you show in this video?
The video is up in previous videos - it's nice and well built
So what is the purpose of 15-25K filters if the recommended oil changes is between 3-5K miles?
To entice people to run longer
Got it. Marketing vs Reality
👍👍👍👍I might change to the Ultra
I used to use wix xp and after seeing some of these I have switched to the fram ultra synthetic - damn good filter and a decent price
Id love To see filters independant shops use.
Each store has their basic commercial line that every indeoendant shop ive worked uses. Always been curious.
Out of these 3 i like the gold but i chamge my fluids at recomended intervals and only put about two oil changes a year on an auto and 3 on the bike. Because i run deisel oil in my bike. The wet clutch loves it.
And also the cost i cheaper and my bike is 36 yrs old. Deisel oil has better properties than motorcyxle oil imo. Im also curious if my opinion on that is correct.
Thanks for your hard work doing this soending your own money to bring proof to these things you do.
I appreciate it.
We only use name brand filter so only higher end filters we don't use cheap ones where we're at our independent shop
If you don’t care about your vehicle , go with 20 to 25 k filters. It’s immoral for these companies to make people believe that it’s a good to go extreme mileage before charging oil and filter.
I'm a 20K - 25K oil OCI guy. My 2008 F150 is closing in on 400K miles with the original 5.4 Triton motor. I get cheap 3 dollar generic oil filters on Amazon and run Mobil 1 5W/30. It burns about a quart every 1000 miles. Only problems I have had was a water pump at 225K and steering box/pitman arm recently from off road abuse. I don't buy into why anyone would waste their money on these expensive filters.
What your doing is anecdotal
Most people would fail doing it that way, it's not smart by any means
@@FordBossMe I get it. Of course I have over 35 years of anecdotal data over dozens of fleet vehicles and generators that prove frequent oil changes are a waste. As long as you are using a good synthetic and keep fuel filters changed and air filter clean (200 hour intervals) it's extremely rare to get an oil related failure. On our fleet trucks and generators we were doing 2K - 3K hr OCI's. everything from Isuzu, Volvo, Cat, etc. Company gas vehicles were going 20K - 25K OCI's as well.
Endurance is overpriced for what it is. Dollar to dollar it's not worth extra $4 for me since xg4967 is $8.97 and fe4967 is $12.97 at my Walmart. BITOG users have shown it's a rebranded amsoil/royal purple. Am excited for revamp on lower end fram filters since I've seen videos on here showing they're fram branded Supertech filters. Nylon core and metal end caps with mobil1 filter media, 99% at 20 microns
What about the fram titanium?
Good filter, just filters very well so people know it doesn't flow like others that filter as good
What’s the micron rating on the FE?
Idk yet
Endurance will do for 10000 miles maybe.
There's a interesting you tube video out there where they rig up a test station... selected 4 filters Fram ultra k&n super tech and mobile 1...Fram had 3 pounds less psi pressure after the filter... do you think that it will affect oiling the engine ? I tried to post video but won't let me. Thanks boss
I've seen it and spoken to them
It's just filters alot better than the rest
Thanks rich I'll keep using Fram without worry