Lords of the Fallen - Rapid Fire Review
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Our Rapid Fire Review of Lords of the Fallen, dark fantasy action-RPG thats spectacularly beautiful, but does it live up to the hype of a next-gen dark souls like experience? Find out!
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Alex “I want you to beat me with combat not with bullsh*t”
God I love these rapidfire reviews!
theres no more or less bull than any other souls game iv ever played.
asmongold said it the same thing too.. his sketch about level design in every area is pretty accurate..
Funny how everyone is ignoring that quote with the new SpiderMan. As enjoyable as the game is, the combat is so cheap.
dude gave it a bad rating cause he sucks at it lol, funny
Nope, it's the same as S1 both are easy on max difficulty. Spiderman isn't meant to be a souls like, it's combat is faster and arcadey
I love these rapid fire reviews. I just wish they edited them more. For how detailed Alex is I want the visuals to do him justice. Sometimes what Alex is talking about isn’t being showed on screen and it really would help with the context. Either way love these!
I mean. That's kind of the point of it being a rapid fire review. It's done quick because it's not a game that's a priority.
@@plantbasedbullet i understand. I’m just stating there is no reason why they can’t build out as I believe these reviews deserve more attention, which I feel would come if they edited them more. I just want what’s best for my favorite channel and there is no reason why Rapid Fire reviews can’t get 4 times the views they currently get. Almost feel because of that viewership they don’t spotlight them as much, which is a shame because they do play a lot of games that even they would like to put the word out on.
@@isaiahdismuke1472seems perfectly fine to me, some ppl jus always gotta moan😂
@@TheRisingTide89 I did start this off by saying I love them. I just want them to be more popular. This channel is my favorite channel and believe their content should be higher. I’ll take a rapid fire review over a IGN review any day. Just viewership have been declining on these and I just fear they might slowly be phased out and you’ll find me in the Q&A days asking “what happen to the rapid fire reviews?”
100% agree on that targeting issue. I try to target someone in front. It ends up auto targeting to the furthest person away and I have to dodge roll my way out of the situation. I hope they patch that and fix it.
dude like for real, its been from day 1 and still haven’t patched yet i think
ironic they just improved it finally latest patch!@@wutais
They said that there were a lot of complaints about targeting and that they were working on a fix.
I will say, CI Games/Hex Works have been pretty quick and responsive with their patches and CS.
@@TheAtmaNex 💪🏽
Yeah I've noticed that it tends to lock onto whoever us standing in the middle of the screen, rather than whoever is closest to the player.
One quick note, you mention seeds are 2500, that was changed to 1200 in a recent patch, however there is a hard limit of 5. If you buy above 5 it will delete any extras after stealing your souls.
Stealing the souls is evil! Haha
Yes....
And another quick note for the people complaining that the seeds are very rare throughout the very first playthrough: I just want to tell them that they're full of shit. Besides being able to buy them, being given to you by certain NPCs or just finding them in the world in the form of loot simply by exploring this beautiful immersive ; one can farm them very, very easily in the very first area after the hub. Just go in Umbral real and farm the Womb of Despair enemy. Easy 🫛. She has like a fifty fifty chance to drop the seeds
Didnt they change that as well though? I remember seeing it in those same patch notes
@@sdotwallace I wouldn't be surprised if that's patch that our. Seems like an oversight.
I could see them overhauling the shop UI as well. I hope they keep supporting the game. But the performance is horrendous atm
Of course it does lol this game has so much bullshit
The enemy placement was the worst of all. 3-5 enemies at once while there’s 1-2 ranged that have flawless aim. They clearly did not play test enough or just wanted to aggravate the player endlessly.
Enemies are so abundant in this game that it actually made the enemy placement very predictable.
It got to the point 9/10 times if you thought theres an enemy hiding around the corner well there most likely was which inherently made the game easier for me at least.
they took the worst parts of DS1 and DS2 and added it here
The bosses are also laughable, maybe 2 out of your first 12 bosses are even worth mentioning
Halo 2 Legendary Jackals would love to have a word with you.
I didn't have trouble. Speak for yourself
Game isnt very hard, no idea how youre having troubles. Git good. You just suck or never played a souls like before
Even as someone whose really been enjoying this game, this is an accurate and fair review. Once I really adjusted to how the game wants you to play and settled into a Radiance build where I can just sidestep attacks and continue to swing away, it's been super fun. Flawed but fun. My main gripe is the horrendous lock on...ugh.
Except for the final score. This game is at least a 7 imho
Yeah, love the game. It did release in a sorry state though. But the developers have been cranking out updates like crazy and address lots of the issues.
Yeah this guy has had to walk back a lot of these scores in the past. I don't think he's an honest person.
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Yea, the game is a 7 if you have never played a souls-like. Around here we don't rate games based on out feelings, you rate a game on it's merits. Everything LotF did okay/well was taken straight from souls series, anything they tried to add themselves (ng+ is a sick joke) is trash.
"Inconvenience isn't the same as difficulty" haha loved it
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Have to agree with Alex here. The thing that most soulslike games miss is that X factor, that makes every swing, parry and hit feel visceral.
Yes agreed. Isn’t it interesting how some of the earliest games of a genre can get everything so right (Dark Souls)? And these modern games have the entire blueprint - but 95% of them still fail. Similarly in the Metroidvania genre - 90% of the indie MV’s are chasing Super Metroid and Symphony of the Night. Ancient games that are still more fun than most of the new games we get every single week.
@@CompleteProducer84dark souls isn’t a souls-like, when we reference souls-likes we mean offshoots, of course FromSoftware does it right.
@@italianwaffle5592 No shit. I was simply saying that every Soulslike game that borrows from Dark Souls has a huge blueprint to draw from (All of the Souls games that inspire them). Yet very few of them can achieve that X factor that the original poster mentioned. Dark Souls came out in 2011, and I would still rather play it than most of the more modern Souls-like games it has spawned. You would think that a higher percentage of games could get it right
@@CompleteProducer84 it’s probably the engine FromSoftware uses, it’s perfect for their style of game, somehow lies of P almost recreated it perfectly even though I had my issues with the game.
@@CompleteProducer84 it's more they try to be different, take a game like asterigos curse of the stars, it's a soul like but far simpler than any game from fromsoftware. or even lie of p that have soul like genre only the difficulty... no exploration, no real build to play around and such.
not every soullike must be like darksoul or we will have never get a game like sekiro, that is a soul like but litterally break the mold by removing stamina and showing it can work.
another point, fromsoftware have how many years at do mostly this? naturally they will have the code right after soo many game... but don't ask every dev to be that good.
lord of the fallen is flawed that for sure, a bad game? nope far from it, it have 2 thing to work on and if they can improve this the game will be incredible, targeting and monster spawn in some area that are bullshit.
but the dev behind are patching the game almost everyday modifying the game based on the player review then who know what the game will be in 2 month.
The character move-set and the way it constantly moves the character forward, on top of high mob density in the field suggest hack&slash type game which usually have 1 vs many combat.
On the other hand, the stamina-management combat system and lock-on/tracking system seems to be those of souls-like game which is primarily 1 vs 1 combat.
Same goes for general defensive aspect of the character (relatively low HP, lack of super armor, etc.) which is common in souls-like.
I think that is what makes the game not fun for many players because in many cases you feel like the dude who brought a knife to a gunfight.
Ranged combat classes seem to fare a bit better because then you feel like a dude who actually brought a gun to a gunfight.
Still doesn't change the fact that you are severely outnumbered, and that you are even more of a glass cannon.
The enemy placement (including mob density and variety) is that of hack&slash game. In those type of game, players are bound to get hit quite often, so a hit or two from a basic mob don't tend to be fatal. In this game, a ranged mob of your level can practically two-shots you from long distance.
To me, this game is a collection of mixed feelings. It does something really well (such as map design and exploration), but there are also a lot of things that aren't great and sometimes downright annoying that the game often doesn't let you enjoy those good stuff.
Alex been killing it with the rapid fire reviews
@@worldview3182 i wouldn't go that far, I love Joe and other Joe to. It just sucks that Angry Joe sometimes doesn't get to the games that they have Alex review. Like Lies Of P for example.
Great review Alex. I felt exactly the same way. My friend is very forgiving with games and he kept asking me to play and I just didnt feel good playing the game with its traversal feeling tedious and the bosses feeling disappointing.
Yea this game sucks ass. It’s a cheap Elden Ring knock off. Don’t be afraid to speak your opinion.
Think I’ll give this a go when it’s on sale. Hopefully by then there will be some solid updates/patches for the rougher parts of it.
Same
That's the answer. It just isn't an AAA title and never will be, even with patches - should have been $49 at launch. Lots of fun to be had, but it doesn't live up to the pricetag.
will happen very soon due to being released in oct, black friday around the corner, xmas around the corner. any game released around this window tends to fall into this pitfall even if it is a AAA game.
They've been updating the game pretty regularly
@@oplawlzHell no, this game is triple A for sure! A lot of content, great graphics and music but released to early.
This line's up with other opinions I've heard on the game though this was a bit more detailed than other reviews I've watched. I appreciate the time you took to play it and make a video. It saves me time and money. Thank you.
you should be supporting good games like this otherwise youll never see them again, but whatever everyone wants to be pampered by absolute perfection now that everyone is so traumatized by bad releases for several years.
@@SobeCrunkMonster I can understand this reaction, but I beat every souls like up to a point including the original Lords of the Fallen. And even Bloodbourne. I know what I'm looking at when I watch reviews. I need solid reviews to help me decide if I'll sink time and money into another variation of some shit I've already played. I will gladly support a good product but I'm too old to be duped out of good money for a bad game . Happens too often.
I'll let Joe buy the bad games and tell me about it. Angrily. 😄
Yo man! I finished this game after 40hours. I also played and finished all fromsoftwares games and almost all soulslikes (nioh, code vein, mortal shell, wolong, blasphemous, remnant) and been a massive fromsoftware fan since the original release of dark souls 1. And im telling you, Lords of the Fallen is really fun. The world and exploration is amazing with great rewards for many different builds. If you are a fan of dark souls and want to seek your teeth in a new game, this is it! Alot of the negative stuff he is mentioning is true, but for me this didint matter because the core gameplay loop they got going on, the rewarding rpg mechanics of lvling up and slowly progressing your build untill your dashing 1000 a hit and the massive linear but interconnected map they designed is really carrying this game beyond small stuff like laggy lockon and some bad enemy placements. Atleast for me. This is my favourite soulslike on the market (Excluding any Fromsoft games ofc) big recommend if u like dark souls.
@@SobeCrunkMonsterThis is not a good game.
I'd say the primary issue with the game is not enemies, jank, hit and miss bosses, etc but rather that you grow tired of it by the end of the game...
One thing that sort of makes me happy - devs are listening to feedback and by the time this vid came out they already done some balance changes, re-introduced part of the permanent vestiges to NG+ and reduced enemy density in NG even added option to play NG mode with same character to speed up completing quests and such.
Hopefully we'll see a DLC that further fixes issues with the game, but right now - you've heard Alex... It is what it is.
I completed this game yesterday by chance, I wrote a steam review not reccomending it. And it lines up with what you've said. I posted it on the LOTF sub-reddit and god damn I had to fight for my life in the comments. Their community is very protective of the game, and basically tried to gaslight me into thinking its just a skill issue.
Yeah they look like LOTF fanatic.
thats typical of most any reddit fandom but the souls(like)community truely take it to a new level. lets be honest beating a souls game was the most significant thing they have ever done in their pathetic lives.
Yeah, skill issue gaslighting and the souls genre are inseparable
I mean aren't they right though? They were once new to the genre as well and instead of bitching they just got better and used the tools the game gave them. The reason they defend it is cause they got use to it and got good. If you can't do that then that's on you and the game isn't for you but that doesn't make it bad.
@@ryenmoore4606 the game is objectively bad. Bad enemy combinations,terrible scaling, bad bosses, terrible coop, limited enemies. They think spam = hard. Just because some people powered through it all doesnt make it good. They probably pay a woman to kick them in the balls.
I agree, i really wanted to love this game but it had too many areas that felt off. Soulslikes are my bread and butter but this game unfortunately missed its mark.
yeah me too.
I’m totally souls-liked OUTTTT….SOULS LIKE OVERLOAD!!! I need a fun light hearted narrative to get all this out of my system
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I think 4/10 is a little low. Id go 6/10. I'm really enjoying the game. Yes, enemy placement is poor and performance isn't perfect, but it's not been game breaking for me on series x. Biggest issue I have is lack of vestige seeds to save progress I end up dying having to do large areas from the start. And when I do use a seed, I end up finding a vestige point shortly after making that seed bed useless and I end up with no seed when I actually need it. Also planting new seeds seems to get rid of previous seeds cos some i planted in past areas are gone so when I go back to already visited areas I can only use the main vestiges.
4/10 is accurate, 6/10 is too high. the entire industry rates game too highly, a game that is overrall ok but very flawed shouldn't be more than 5.
@@warpbeast69yes this game has flaws but if you think it’s a below average game then you probably just suck at it
Co-op is completely broken. Their servers are garbage. Me and my friend both re-spec'd our stats and it doubled our levels so we went from 70 to 140. However, the enemies scale with you so leveling is almost pointless. The targeting was one of the most frustrating things for me as well. Plenty of other souls like games to play that are way better than this. Go pick up Lies of P or Steel Rising
LoP is a 9.5 for me, would you recommend Steel Rising and what would you rate it?
@@GrizzlyHugz I would totally recommend Steel Rising. It's actually a great souls like for beginners. It's not too challenging at all. The bosses are really cool. Not a great deal of enemy or weapon variety, but it doesn't hurt the game for me. I'd give it a 8 out of 10
@@moozy3262 Glad to hear it and thanks for answering!
It fell off my radar, but now thx to LoP Im in the mood for more.
@@GrizzlyHugz other good Souls like games I'd recommend if you haven't tried yet. Mortal Shell, Sinner: Sacrifice for Redemption, Hellpoint and Code Vein
In a genre absolutely saturated with fantastic games, you can't afford to miss this bad as a newcomer. People can and will move on to different games and forget all about you in a couple weeks. And by the time you patch it up to be something good, no one will care because by then there will be another newcomer who did it right the first time.
True, I am also just Not a fan of the Lock-on system they use...its from the 90s...seriously... use a better system. Also usually the controls feel sluggish and not very responsive. While I understand sometimes part of this is for gameplay reasons...like more dex makes you faster...if that is not obvious fairly early...it just comes off as clunky and sloppy. I like the idea of these games but I can never play them long...stamina for both attacking and defending while ur enemies DO not have that same limitation is already creating extra challenge... for what reason? This is another area, I have to feel that the game Puts the players first...not the AI...and most of these games it favors your Demise.
Absolutely saturated with great games? Outside of Fromsoft, the only somewhat solid Soulslikes have been Nioh (1/2), The Surge (1/2), and possibly Lies of P if you dug it. To me, LotF is second only to Nioh 2 in terms of Soulslikes not made by From.
LOTF has bad combat, bad performance, the worst enemy variety/placement/density in a 3d game probably ever, abysmal lock -on, terrible and boring bosses, mediocre leveldesign and nice aesthetics at times. It is a perfect example how not to make a videogame fun, it is an objective fact. It can still be fun, if somehow you like the setting and think dying because of bs is good gamedesign, all the better for you. I envy you. LoP is the best soulslike not from FS by a mile..@@curiousardor
@@kiekiek what if i tell you i enjoyed LOTF a lot more than Lies of P. because. The combat was better, the performance was great(4k 144fps with FG on, not a single stutter), enemy density was fine, lock on is the exact same as all souls games, Bosses were mid i agree, best level design since Dark Souls 1. There was way less BS in this than Lies of P which EVERY DAMN ATTACK from enemies made me yell COME ON. I beat both games in around 25h each.
@EGH666 Maybe learn their attacks and dodge or parry, or get out from their attack zone? There's many options btw. But that's just you I guess. If you prefer Lotf over LoP, that's okay. Everyone has their own opinion anyway.
First, i do love this game. I have a lot of fun with it. But, when you a doing the quest for the Putrid Mother, your second victim is Gerlinde (the blacksmith that levels you equipment) and if you where to infect her with the umbral parasite she will disappear(die). Which means that if you progress the quest before getting the last rune tablet, you can no longer upgrade equipment.
That final boss is criminal, the game deserves a 5 just for that ending
I was one the phone at the time and was half paying attention bc it was so lame and didn’t realize I beat the game. Really embarrassing
It has three endings, different final bosses. But the first ending boss is bad, I agree
I loved being forced to go into the umbral and having to fight twice as many mobs. Exactly the kind of difficulty I wanted from a souls like game.
Love these Rapid Fire Reviews. The AJS Team must have finally had a chat about what the channel is all about--video games first. Wish we got more like this earlier in the year with lots of the big releases that were missed. Keep up the good work!
I see a TON of people saying the same thing: I want to love this game, but it won't let me. And honestly I felt the exact same way.
Good review, although 4/10 seems harsh. I loved beating the game on ps5. I agree with most of your points but I still really enjoyed this game. Having seeds to plant your own vestige is a game changer, I loved it, it gives you less stress to find the next main one if you are out of potions! Overall I had a blast and plan to go into ng+ after some quality of life changes. 7/10 for me :)
and 3/10 for me.
Pretty accurate review. The only thing you forgot to mention really is the lack of any kind of storage or inventory sorting. You end up drowning in all the weapons you pick up, and you cant even find the newest one since, well, theres no sorting or way to manage all this junk.
Personally having a blast with it and almost done. Radiance build was a blast. Going to do inferno next
same, this is better than lies of p for me
Played to NG++ - "for the reciew" cone on Alex we know you like to hate on everything but if its as bad as you imply there's no way you would have played through it over twice.
The game is awesome. Lots of this criticism is valid, but there is a ton to love.
1. The enemies are very well designed
2. The level design is immaculate and each area is a ton of fun to navigate, especially with the two world mechanic
3. The bosses are very easy for veterans of the genre, but all of them were really fun
4. The art direction is impeccable, best since Elden Ring
5. The build diversity is real and there are amazing weapons and items for very unique builds.
6. Spellcasting is incredible. Its better than any other souls game ive played.
There is some BS...the targeting is bad but is usable.
The bosses are too easy.
There could've been a touch more enemy variety, but there is a lot of unique enemies that you encounter later on.
This reviewer makes some good points but i cant emphasize how good the 6 points ive made here are. Its not just "oh these are pros of the game" its: "these are some of the best things in the genre".
If you enjoy the souls games, youll like this, just be prepared for a few rough edges
its on gamepass now and Alex is right about that score. Its a shame I was looking forward to this one.
I shelfed my 20h playthrough and picked up Lies of P instead, Im enjoying that one much more.
Lies of Pee?
I don't know about the game but this review is bloody well done. You cover everything, concisely, in less time than a tea-break. Excellent and useful, thanks.
Nailed everything about the combat and camera angles, what made me put it down was 2 corrupted saves. First one wasnt bad, was only about 2 hours in but the last one I really tried to make it and about 6 hours in, it did it to me again.
Damn that really sucks bruhh. Was the corrupted saves before or after the latest patch from a few days ago?
I can't believe the Joe team would give this 4/10 while starfield, a broken jank of a mess, a 6/10.
Starfield knows what it is, it is a bethesda game through and through flaws and all. People want that, they crave that experience.
I thought no one would like it, I hate starfield and think it is an uninspired boring mess of a game. But then I talk to my family and friends who are "I play an hour or two a day" gamers and they adore it.
LOTF is just kind of meh, it really tried to be a good dark souls clone and I think it fails in a lot of areas. Maybe in a year it will be great but it feels jank and unfun way to often atm. Maybe not a 4 though, I would have given it a 5.
You can just turn your brain off and get a solid 100 hours from it. 6/10 is rather fair
kinda agree here starfield is a shitty mess... but AJ seems biased towards bethesda so at least he didnt gave it a 8/10. i would rate starfield more like 5/10 its just average meeh and a another step back from their rpg roots (morrowind)
-I Like Starfield 🥺, For What It Is.
Four is generous for this game. It’s a fkn mess dude. Starfield is easily a better purchase and I LOVE souls like games. I hate this game
Actually wasn’t that disappointing, just felt like Elden Ring’s style with Bloodborne’s cramped but layered maps. But bugs are bugs, and Im not gonna lie, Elden Ring set the bar high, maybe a sequel can make a good mixture between linear/open areas.
Darksouls set the bar High good sir
Always looking forward to Alex reviews.
While I didn't care for this game much, it was the epitome of mediocrity for myself personally with the exception of great graphic fidelity and environments; I agree with the majority of the points touched on in the review.
I think releasing as close to Lies of P as they did probably helped a little with sales given everyone was riding high off that phenomenal game, but also a bit detrimental because it's leagues worse and is completely overshadowed. I've had quite a few people in the souls community asking like hey, I can only afford one or the other right now, which do I get? The only correct answer is LoP.
Great work as always man.
Wtf are you talking about calling lies of p phenomenal but not this game which is the only rip off to come even close to being as good as dark souls
@@manwithballsonarm6775 you're not worth arguing with. You're entitled to your opinion but you can rage at someone else. No one was talking to you.
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Alex and OJ carrying the Angryshow! Keep up the good work fellas!
2023 has been one of the best years ever for video game music. Many titles had really great soundtracks. Even mid games had great music this year.
Alex confirmed literally all my theories about the games gameplay, glad I passed on it for now. Happy folks that enjoyed it did though ofc !
It easily is the best souls like after life of Pi.
This looks like a poor mans souls game. If youre into these sort of games, then just go and play soul games theres like 4 or 5 of them by now iirc. Theyre actually well made and fights are challenging. I think origina 2014 lords of the fallen was better than this.
Umbral turns the game into a damn ARPG when theres like 10 eneimes on screen at once lol
"Souls-like" are the new "Battle Royale"... wonder how long the infatuation is going to last? I hope not as long, because I'm not a huge masochist like those who enjoy those types of games.
I really appreciate Alex going into specifics about the mechanics. It’s especially important for souls likes.
Dude, I love this game... I understand your points, but in my opinion only the lock on system (being an annoyance) and the fact that the majority of weapons seem to have similar or exactly the same attack patterns are the only negatives that I feel the same way about.
For what it's worth the devs have been very receptive of player feedback and active at putting out patches to address a lot of these issues.
Started playing a few weeks post review. And a massive number of updates later, its actually pretty solid. About 8 hours in, few bosses down, pure strength dual weilding build works out okay for staggering. Not quite DS2 feel, but im enjoying myself.
The exploration and visuals is where this game shines. A sprawling interconnected world full of paths and options is exactly why we come back to these games. The dual world system i feel is the best part of traversal. Combat is... Middling to be kind, not hard, not easy, but doable.
Stop with the enemy placement moaning jeez they give you a ton of ranged options and 2 lives it's not an issue at all if you use the tools given to you and use your brain
The only issues I had was the boss and mob imbalance and the targeting the rest was fine it's easily a 7/10 and the franchise now has potential
i'm totally with you on the targeting situation of the game that is a nightmare. about the different enemy, some was midboss that do become normal enemy then yes the number of enemy is not that much, but you still have a lot of different enemy.
a few point tough:
1) you have a few combo of weapon that unlock new combo when upgraded, some good example are the dual sword of the lightreaper, but you have a few other out.
2) the vestige seed, don't forget that originally the ng+ was removing the normal vestige and only did leave you with the vestige point you create from the seed (they did change this and each ng+ remove more and more of them) then some are where you can put seed don't make sense in the first run and become normal when you reach the ng+
3) you know that you have a few different ending and one of them make you fight another end boss than Adyr. even if i'm with you about adyr boss situation.
outside this i have the same grief about the ranged (especially since i did play a paladin, radiant damage + heavy armor + heavy shield, then not optimum for kill ranged) and i have a few grips against the spawn of the enemy in some area the spawn is weird like enemy don't spawn all at the same time leading you to think that the area is safe when actually some take more time to spawn and come bite your ankle when you don't expect them.
for me lord of the fallen is more a 7/10, for a simple reason, not every soullike must have the same difficulty or mechanic for be good. by example i dislike lie of p that i found is artificially harder and don't offer enough exploration and equipement to play around. but it don't make it bad soullike, just not for me. i think lord of the fallen is a good midcore soullike, not as hard as lie of p and some game of the soul franchise. but it's a good middle ground for player that are not super good and still want to enjoy the type of game.
even if i think they need to work on the spawn of enemy and targeting for give a smoother experience.
FINALLY for the love of all the gods an honest god damn review... Thank you Alex. You and gamespot. If i knew those things before I wouldn't have buy it and save myself 90 hrs of torture. Yeah did even Umbral ending cause I don't abandon games even if i don't like them.
Game is currently a 7/10, they've reworked a lot of systems and fixed issues but some like lagged multiplayer still affect it. Otherwise it'd get to an 8 imo. Been playing these games since og Demon's Souls, I've about 80h in this new Lords and honestly it's much better than I expected.
I felt like this was lords of the blighttown. Seems like someone thought Blighttown was a nice map in Dark Souls and did a game of it. Small or no space at all to fight and enemies pushing you off or you hitting them when they take a step back or died to your damage over time, they take them down with you. Annoying places to fight with 1-2 archers shooting with 2-4 melee enemies constantly attacking. I died so many times to camera boss and gravity boss
also doing more damage with throwable than your upgraded melee weapon is a joke. Beating bosses with throwing a Enhanced hammer at them. Also invaders met my throwing hammer, 3 hits dead.
Kinda expected to hear this.
Lords of the fallen has had a dodgy history with its status as a game compared to soulslikes.
The floaty combat has been a consistent complaint throughout.
Bought this on series S. The first game I've played this year with genuinely bad performance. But I'm still having fun though I do like the world and I enjoy the combat even though it's not as deep like elder ring
One of the myriad of issues LotF has is that it released off the back of the best souls like ever made in Lies of P, very very tough act to follow. It feels like LotF left out everything that actually makes a Souls good, level design, enemy placement and the deliberate, committed weighty feel of combat. Its like the people who made the game didnt really understand what makes a game in this genre truly exceptional and ended up falling somewhere inbetween a hack and slash and a souls satisfying neither need for me personally. One of my other main gripes is sound design, as a game designer i cannot see how they would not realise the importance of sound and how we react to it, every sound to me felt muted, sloppy and unsatisfying.
These games should be built on the satisfaction of killing, even minor mobs should be satisfying to stab in the back. This game was so unsatisfying to me personally that i started actively avoiding combat the majority of the time.
I dont see the formula being all that difficult to get right so when a studio gets it THIS wrong im just left scratching my head. Im glad the game has its fans but this just was not it for me personally.
100% agree
World building is one of the few things this game does really well.
Was literally enjoying the incredible outside ambience in Lies of P earlier, what a game ^.^
Dam 4/10 seems really low to me. I loved this game, did multiple playthroughs and it quickly became one of my favorite souls likes.
Despite a little jank there is a lot to like here. For example no one mentions that this is the first souls like where you can dye your armor which I thought was really cool. I thought the lantern added a unique additional layer to combat with stuff like yeeting big bois off cliffs by throwing their souls off.
The ammunition system felt 10/10 to me because in games like Dark Souls/Elden Ring I go through entire playthroughs without ever using a consumable because "What if I need it?!" which I think this system completely fixed.
The spell casting, while much more limited, felt a lot more intuitive than scrolling up and down through a list of prepared spells. It was nice to always have a quick way to throw out some magic.
The wither mechanic also encouraged you to be offensive, and certain builds could really focus on that.
Unlocking new classes to start with felt really rewarding to me and encouraged me to do more than one run from scratch.
The world felt interconnected and like you had an impact on it. Seeing the beacons light up (or not) as you explored the world felt meaningful. Reading the lore of the previous vestiges as you unlocked them was cool to me and added a lot to the worldbuilding by essentially letting you see the fate of the prior lamp bearers.
Overall it wasn't perfect but I liked it significantly more than Lies of P despite it being less polished. It had a feeling of you being a small being in a grand and dangerous dark fantasy world, something I really only get from Dark Souls.
I fully respect your opinion. Thats why I always watch this channel and always had been very objective, specially you Alex. (I'm an Alex too v:)
I played this game since day 1. I have 3 different characters and the main reason is because of the in game currency stacks so I was able to help donating to unlock the community vaults XD . I do feel sad though you weren't able to get through the amazing experience I went. Maybe it is because this is my second souls like game I play. The other one been Elden Ring. That been said and knowing how hard these games are I watched every corner and every place I could avoiding those traps. I agree the common ending is very anti-climatic but there are memorable bosses for me. Like Pieta (there is even a harder version I recommend you to go through. Wont spoil it for ya v: ) and mostly because of the lore behind them. Bramir is amazing and I still think there is something you can do while he is crying for Sophesia. The big giant "baby" that spits fire all over the place is also heart braking. Some of them do have a repetitive pattern and turn to be a bit predictible. Unfortunately even then, people are still complaining either for the bosses or too crowded reagrding mobs.
I understand your point but to be fair there is also a sense of danger being in Umbral. You really don't want to stay and fight. You want to run. You want to survive.
I dunno... I am trying so hard to not be fan boying here (XD) but I really wish this game was less underrated. For some reason I can not understand fully, this game has a very special place on my heart. Maybe because is my first souls like I try to beat on my own with no guides or anything as such. Maybe it was just the fact I discovered it's secrets and lore by myself.
Hope you can come back one day and have a cool experience. And if not... GGs fam c:
Regards from Mexico!
This game followed Dark Souls 2's design philosophy which was a game that didn't understand why people liked souls. Which makes since as Miyazaki was more or less hands off with the game's development. Lords of the Fallen made things hard for the sake of it being hard or made them tedious to make it hard instead of following what people wanted from souls. A game that can be difficult but at least its fair. So many souls like only copy the formula of souls but don't ask the why's and they are feel like crap for it.
Saying dark souls 2 didn't understand why people liked souls is so off base the combat is different but its still very much dark souls. What dark souls 2 approach was about was introduction. Other then that played about a 1000 hours of 2 1 and demons souls and honestly their different but all 3 are very similar in execution
I agree one trillion percent about the targeting, the amount of fair deaths it caused me almost made me give up. Aside from that, I love the aesthetic and brutality this game brings so I’d recommend it but it has its flaws for sure.
The lack of weapon skills, enemy placement, and limited ammo is what gets me the most. You telling me since i used my arrows ammo on my bow prevents me from using throwing items with my hand? How are both of those range weapons even connected? lol
I agree with alot of this, I've completely avoided starting NG+ til the fixes come in because it just isnt worth bashing my head against the combat system again in order to get a new ending, i really like the world and the lore the game has set up but I often felt i was fighting the game itself just to play, it was a bigger struggle battling the UI than the actual enemies in front of me most of the time. I eventually just found a strong ranged option and proceeded to pick off every enemy i could with target lock or free aimn so that I could engage in actual combat as little as possible. I do this game will get better as you said the company clearly wants to do well and is being receptive to feed back, but it really feels bad having pre-ordered the game for it to release in this state.
They should imbrace the sliding combat and make the combat a run and gun. using combos with the sword or lantern. Make movment flow like a grounded warframe. Make closing the distance with a swing and like a folllowup button combo on the retreat to keep our mind ocupied. Keep dark souls combat by giving enemies teligraphed, reaching attacks or teligraphed attacks on the approach. you have to dodge even multiple times and reangle your initial approach.
4? i dunno about that man, id give it a 6 at least. im at final boss and ive enjoyed the shit out of it so far, even with its flaws.
Agree with all of Alex point. Gave it 6/10
1- Enemy is a gank squad
2- Annoying ai combatants
3- NG+ has literally no checkpoint and only uses our own seeds (another frustrating point)
4- Lock on sucks
5- weapon has too much movement to the character body and just skips 5 steps ahead like what is this? A marathon game? 😂
And my most hatred mechanics is the other world switch, I like the lamp that can pass through locked gates but switching to other realm and has to adventure there? Hate it. I want to have fun not frustration
Then how is that 6/10 Isn't that 5/10 at best?
The main issue (for me at least during my roughly 2 hour gameplay) of the previous iteration of this game was the combat, targeting and hitbox issues.. I doubt that they didn't know they HAVE to be especially careful about this
_constantly patching_ is an understatement....i've never seen so many downloads pop up on steam in my fuckin life.
One of the few very good reviews for this game. People are far too forgiving for this game's shortcomings, be it enemy density, variety, combat sluggishness, confusing levedesign, lock-on system,boss design and performance. Nice aesthetics does not make a good game, it enhances , sure, but LOFT in this state is not a good game.
I really enjoyed the game and I will continue to revisit it often. That said, so much of this review is dead on and there are a lot of confusing decisions the developers made. I think close to half of my deaths came from a swing of the weapon that sent me moving forward 10ft, off of the very small platforming they decided to use in like 30% of the game.
I was doing that vigor exploit by the Bellroom and got past lvl 100 all before the 3rd boss ..and even with most points being put in Vit , Rad , and Strength I feel like I get killed waaaay too easily from certain enemies that really make some parts ..straight up a chore to play .. BUT, I’m not gonna lie tho, finally getting past certain parts that were kicking my ass before IS super satisfying
I finished the game at 85 and I guess that’s low but the game was some mid I just wanted it over with. The final boss lmao
Everyone's experience in lords of the fallen involves just rolling past all enemies then fighting a glitched boss headbutting a wall
One more regarding targeting system - parasites can't be focused on. It was very frustrating to flail my slow massive weapon around trying to hit that little annoying blue thing while surrounded by other enemies.
You can kill them with the lamp from a good distance away. It's literally in the tutorial area.
Having just recently beat it, I think the review is fair, while the score is a tad harsh. The things it does well.. it does really well. Though the things that are bad, are annoyingly so - but largely I think they're things that can be tweaked or fixed.
Overall, I enjoyed my time beating it, but feel no desire to play it again. I felt I got my monies worth.
Thanks for keeping it real. Wasn’t going to buy this anyway as the first LoF stunk, but after this year i am super skeptical of 8s and 9s that get thrown around like nothing.
Try out the 2014 Lords Of The Fallen. There are so many nuances to the combat that its far deeper. Just recently discovered it and many of my Souls friends were genuinely surprised. Not to say its perfect but it will surprise you.
Have played 2014 there is no real nuances and I mean I played a lot of it theres really nothing there not really especially compared to the competition at the time. The combat was just most the time garbage. To the point where i beat it once trying to 100% the damn thing and just went back to way better and more complex games. It was a 5/10 at best nothing really good
Not sure why Alex has an issue with the “gotcha’s” there’s plenty in each Souls game.
Love your reviews Alex, it’s such a good contrast to AJ’a reviews. Gives y’all super nice variation.
I kinda like this game, but man it has a lot of issues. I agree with Alex on almost every point made. Range weapon is indeed cool to use in this game which came to me as surprise because usually souls games don't do much with them. Probably only point that is different for me is parry, it felt good until enemies started to make attacks that explode on hit and deny you parry even if you timed it perfectly, grey health didn't bother me that much because it's easily restored if boss isn't trying to cheese you those special attack that looks parriable but actually aren't.
If I would condence opinion on Lords of the Fallen I would say it's one of best games replicating Souls formula that learned ALL bad lessons at the same time, while Lies of P in same boat but learned almost all good lessons. I swear Lords of the Fallen doubled down on so many annoying factors of souls games when they have great game on hands, it feels that game can become omega hit with just adjustments alone (aka can be moded to be amazing without actually changing game completely or in its core)
I love the spellcasting in this game, but having to switch between the lantern and cast/range is just so frustrating/bad design. Nothing quite like trying to throw a fireball when you just had to pull out your lantern.
100% agree with the targeting issues. I enjoy the game but the targeting drives me crazy.
Thanks for the rapid fire review 😅 sounds like how the old game was at day 1 to me which is quite sad.
I had a blast with the game on PS5. Easy an 8 for me and even a 9 if they fix the tech. Great game.
How would OtherJoe's Rapid Fire Review be?
I were to call this game one thing it would be a “Hack n Slash Soulslike”. With the combat pace and enemy density of a hack n slash but the exploration, punishing nature and difficulty of a soulslike. It just doesn’t meld very well
I truly believe that gave devs are creating games to eliminate speed runs/ No hit run players. Super pinpoint ranged attacks, random items turn into monsters, horrendous jump mechanic, a broken parry system are all in place to stop Speed runners/ No hit runs.
I like a lot here, but I put it down in hopes that they clean it up several patches. But the fact that normal attacking moves you so far that you end up strafed behind characters all the time leaving you exposed is almost a deal breaker.
Homing arrows from the crossbowmen and fire pins from the Peyote Soldiers were the worst 😢 smashed you through walls and track you worse than a cruise missile
They have been patching this like crazy. I actually enjoy it this far, but the targeting system is probably the worst I’ve ever seen in a game.
Playing games since 1993 , One of the best games i have ever head. Challenging, really good stuff. To me game of tthe year. Someones trash is someones treasure tho
Lords of the Fallen can be summed up as artificial difficulty. They put the "difficulty" in the wrong places Constant Ganking, sniping and some un-fleshed out combat, parry+execute should feel meaty and rewarding atm it's not even worth it. I liked the umbral mechanic my first few hrs but it became a chore later on with all the back tracking in their rats nest of a level design along with the bombardment of mobs that have an insanely long leash.
The fact the skinny slow dead creatures are more powerful then the boss was enough for me. The dead Knight with fire....ridiculous he had better fire magic then you and again more harder then the actual boss I found myself just running past them as I wanted to heals for what I thought would be a difficult boss. The game crashed 4 times in a row in this one area so I gave up. It wasn't tested at all and I find most game companies need to employe more games not just suits.
When I go into umbral, the baddies hide from me. Seriously though, a quick tip is that if in umbral you don't need to suck the "Fairies", you can just smack them once and they die. Makes some of those dumb fights much more manageable.
I love these rapid fire reviews but can you use a fixed mic? We can hear the squeak of plastic from your headset every time you move a fraction of an inch
So is Lies of P better?
True story:
Someone posted a comment on another video saying something to the effect of “Ppl hating on LOTF prolly just peace’d out after the first frame rate drop” sorta implying ppl didn’t give it ‘enough time for a fair chance.’
I told him ppl like me played vanilla Dark Souls 1 and put up with 15 FPS Blighttown. Frame rate has *_nothing_* to do with the hate.
He then tagged me back, apologized, admitted he was wrong, and listed an assload of complaints.
This is always my fear with soulslike games, they can’t do what FromSoft do, it seems like it can be copied but Miyazaki is a genius! When he directs the game is a masterpiece!
I'm glad I waited and I'll pick it up on sale. I was hoping for back to back wins for soulslike. Lies of P was nearly perfect to me.
Yeah I was disappointed by knockoff souls on ice too. Combat felt really floaty, I started with the rogue class with dual daggers and slipped all over the place :(.
After finishing Lies of P 8 times, playing this i felt the same way. I wanted this game to be good so bad but, it didn’t hit the mark unfortunately
And you're telling me this game got nominated for ulitmate game of the year in GJS award, and not Lies or P? Huh..
For me, I refunded it. I wanted my first experience with a Soulsborne game to be good, even great, but it did not feel optimized on xbox. Even on performance mode, there were times fps could drop to what seemed like single digit, or it could run stable but look like a watercolor painting. I hope with some patches it can become good one day. I used the money to buy Elden Ring, and goddamn that is phenomenal!
Having to use items for checkpoints sucks.
The PC performance is awful.
Also melee feels bad, I cheesed the whole game with a crossbow.
Let me guess: Y'all initially deleted the video because you initially put the cover art for the 2014 game and updated it with the 2023 cover art?
Yep haha