God of War: Ragnarok - Angry Review
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Angry Dad of War RETURNS to deal with density and teenage angst in the world ending sequel to God of War, Ragnarok! Does this game live up to the hype? Find out!
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Game: says Atreus’s name multiple times over the course of a 30+hour game.
Joe: “Atre-oos” 😂😂
It's how Kratos says his name in the Spanish dub lol
Joe: "I'm kinda retarded."
but he's right?? it's not an english name
@@theREALmistafu it's a south american name
@@creed22solar123 It's a greek name as far as i can remember, like in Atreus the King of mycenae? Or is it something different? Only played the old god of war games
Love the review as always. But I have to disagree with you on Odin’s voice. In this game it’s very clear they were trying to make him appear as a master manipulator, so by giving him a friendlier voice, he comes across as someone to be trusted. It works perfectly considering we already knew Odin was evil, yet the writers were still able to make you second guess yourself just based off of his dialogue, voice and general demeanour. Pretty masterful in my opinion
I disagree. I thought it was awful and it took me out of the game every time he talked.
@@soraceant facts
@@soraceant I disagree it was great.
@@soraceant you know there is no point in arguing with fanboys
@@soraceant Coz you have Syndrome of Odin from Thor Movies ? The Voice and Overall Posture and look of Odin was different - I think the Voice did Fit his Look and Overall personality - Thou it was annoing coz you know hes full of bullshit yet he trys to play this Nice Uncle with good intentions Stright into your freaking face and he knows.. you know.. and still plays the bullshit Nice Uncle Tom whanabe xD
Surprised you didn't even mention Mimir. One of the most well-written, wise, and hilarious characters in any video game.
Because he doesn’t know shit about god of war ..
Well he is the smartest man alive
Mimir sucks lol. In every way
I'm impressed how fast he finds his place when he joined the party halfway through the last game. For a series that was primarily about a sole adventurer, you would think devs would stop at including Atreus.
Yeah? Even the part where he’s telling u explicitly that u have side quests left?
I remember reading a comment somewhere comparing Odin to a Mob boss. Kinda fits when you remember how manipulative and cunning Odin is. He’s not biggest but amongst the other Aesir he was the smartest. Controlling and just heartless, only focusing on his own survival.
Yeah, I definitely got mob boss vibes. He's like the patriarch of a dysfunctional mob family. I liked the portrayal.
That was my thought of him when Atreus first opens the door and you just see him there with his jacket draped across his shoulders. Like a mafia godfather loosening up from his tux. My only gripe is Odin seems more Jewish then Norse personally and seems somewhat out of place.
i really like the depiction here its a breath of fresh air
@@patrickdoherty4527 Nah, this scrawny lil squeaky person is definitely the matriarch of a dysfunctional family.
He is also kinda like a businessman. Making deals, talking about projects, and talking to his ravens like he is in a conference call.
One minor improvement detail I appreciate is that Kratos can kick down dangling chains without automatically climbing down. Makes it much more natural.
And talk to people without recalling the axe
Same 🤣
The only thing I can say about the auto-climbing from before is... it was made as a way to get back to a previous location for when you were exploring the opened world and they made it one smooth, swift action to grab the chain and rappel down. I, too, found it a bit annoying when all I wanted was to kick the chain down and continue instead of going back. However, from having dabbled in code and programming, I can also say it makes sense that they would code one specific action, test to make sure it works flawlessly with the animations included... then just copy and paste the code where they were going to use the chain. If you go and watch "Rasing Kratos", which is free on TH-cam and is a 2hr documentary on them making the game... they only had two years to complete the rest of the game after the initial E3 showcase in 2016. So... yeah... they cut some corners, but 2018's game was super amazing regardless and such a minor thing can be ignored just because you only encounter it when you're setting things up for backtracking later and finding new shit with the tools you get to explore what you couldn't before.
@@emilrogengellschwaner3555 The recalling of the axe was a mechanic thrown in there to make sure you had the axe when you were going to proceed with the story. Probably the same idea as the chains that they copied and pasted if you were going to use the Realm Travel room because it wouldn't make sense if you could call the axe through dimensions... which is basically what we see with this version of the Bifrost. All of the realms were layered on top of one another and were different according to what realm you went to... so you were dimensionally traveling. They probably used the "story progression axe recall" code with talking to Sindri, Brok or Freya because it typically progressed the story... plus when you talked to the Huldra brothers, you'd need your axe with you to upgrade it... so... it just "makes sense"? *shrugs*
@@emilrogengellschwaner3555 You don't recall your axe when talking to people irl? :O
At first I thought Asgard was disappointing until you realize that Asgard from the point of view of the Vikings would have been like that and not the Marvel city of gold towers and wide streets. One thing to point out is that from the last game is that they were too lazy to even build their own defenses until a giant disguised as a blacksmith came and offered to build it for them.
If you want to go by the viking point of view, I'm pretty sure no viking thought Odin talked like that.
@@mohammadsaleem5990 don't they describe Odin as an old man that displays himself as trustworthy? I'm good on gigachads, I already beat gow 3 there were nothing but gigachad buff enemies there.
@@mohammadsaleem5990 Quite certain, the Nordic religious thought of Odin as the All-father, a shapeshifter of wisdom, speaking to his followers in the manner that befits them the most, so I would assume "vikings" whatever that means wouldn't fret over an accent especially given the fact he is speaking the Queen's English and not some variation of Old Norse, or North Germanic language.
I wouldn’t say I was disappointed, but I honestly was expecting a lot more for Asgard with tons of gold, big architecture, etc. Tyr’s temple really made me believe this, along with all of the statues, because those are what you’d think would also belong in Asgard. That all being said, actual Asgard is beautiful and it felt awesome to see its true state.
I realized it was meant to be more realistic and still would have preferred if it looked more like mcu asgard tbh
Brok and Sindri were the true stars of this game imo. One of the best cutscenes in the game happens after you beat the game and continue playing so stick around for a bit after the main story ends
Odin. Definitely odin
"What gets bigger the more you take away?"
Even after funeral? That’s all I did so far I’m considering it done because I have done most of the side quest during the game
@@Vallarok117 that almost made me tear up
@@Bonbonbon739 Turning a joke into one of the saddest lines in the game is just great writing.
I actually loved Odins voice and portrayal. Perfectly manipulative and he was just calm, and that makes it so much scarier when the mask slips off and he raises his voice :0
Yeah he was dangerous without being detected
A practical man who doesn't care about anyone as long as he gets what he wants. He was dominating every scene that he was in, even when he was losing at the end. He manipulated everyone and he was always one step ahead. We knew that he had a plan but we didn't know what it was and it was kinda scary. You don't need to make buffed warrior Odin to make him a good villain.
@@zzickos No but you needed to show the power he was hiding and a fight that reflected that which it really didn't. He's half the god he should be
@@alexanerose4820 you barely beat him 1v3. He had upper hand the entire time.
fun fact odin is played by sean murphy's doctor friend from the good doctor
Honestly, I really liked Odin--it was jarring at first to see what he was like, but by the end, they really subverted expectations and made him completely separate from Zeus--something that was needed for this saga.
Odins always been more of a manipulative diplomatic wizard type.
right? ho wanted a copy of Zeus no 1
I kinda felt for him. He was an asshole but he was just scared of death and thats what cost him everything
Odin was probably the worst final Boss fight in the entire GoW franchise, but okay.
Yeah, Odin felt like a mob boss and it was very fitting with Asgard was run.
Heimdall mocking all Atreus’s skills was hilarious. “Is that your ultimate move!?”
Heimdall the Gigachad . we want to play him instead of Atreus .
@@CoolSs the worst take in all of these comments-award goes to you man
@@awildmoose6541 lol
@@CoolSs atreus had amazing gameplay and heimdall was literally written to be hated
@@awildmoose6541 play more games . i don't want to sound like dick to you telling what you like is bad . regardless . i don't think he is good . in terms of character and gameplay .
play nier automata (or Replicant if 2b is too distracting) side characters can be great if done right . we should not root for the bad guy because we find the side protagonist to be obnoxious with mindless auto aim gameplay .
This game left me speechless and floored in the final act. Asgard felt underwhelming but considering Odin’s character and heimdall’s quote of how god’s shouldn’t be waving around their wealth and just focused on their power pretty sums up Odin’s obsession of power over fancy life style that a typical Greek god would probably have.
Heimdall said it best
I was dissapointed with their power 😂 even more than asgard itself
It looked liked Poseidon could solo Asgard with his water form
Ending of Ragnarok was extremely disappointing . Very lame fights, no set pieces. Nerfed kratos . Wtf was that
@@AliHamza-sv4ni How was Kratos nerfed?
Besides battles and graphics (awesome). I liked the characters voice acting and script especially Odin. They didn’t just made a villain with angry bad attitude. They made him deceptive, good with words and convincing.
I like their depiction of Angrybooa, a bubbly child (spoilers: she is Loki's wife in the classic literature and old tales), not offended with the skin color decision, not into brown skins but to me she looks more like a Native American in appearance
@@rdu239 same thing (spoiler alert) with Durin’s wife in the lord of the ring Amazon tv series. She is dark skinned but her son in the Hobbit movie is white. I don’t mind any skin color but I find it in consistent with previous movie series.
@@rdu239 I don't think you've met much natives have you?
@@rdu239 you sound like someone who never met a black person or brown skinned person in their life. The fact you think she looks native American is the weirdest thing I read all day. do you even know what a native American person looks like???
When he first appears, I was underwhelmed cause he gave off the impression of being a frail old man but when that twist came, holy shit. Richard Schiff absolutely nailed the role
Richard Schiff did an amazing job as Odin, nuff said.
No.
@@ramonandrajo6348 yes
@@ramonandrajo6348 oh right, based on your other comments in this review, you're upset Odin was black. You aren't upset Kratos is voiced by a black dude, though?
@@ramonandrajo6348 Ratio.
I liked Odin as a character, I wish he would’ve become more manic and evil when than he did when he -spoiler ahead- breaks the mask and ruins all his plans
I'm glad nothing was predictable. Everyone's perception of the mythology has been warped by popular media so it was a breath of fresh air to see characters and places portrayed differently.
Only thing that was predictable was a false Tyr or him betraying them
@@David-nq8cv I disagree, I probably wasn’t paying enough attention but it was a nice twist. Sucks that Brock’s soul is lost. 😢
I felt like the ending was predicatable in the sense that nothing surprising happened at all it was pretty underwhelming.
@@PewterZ812 you were expecting Atreus to leave? Or expecting that Odin would have his soul put into an orb? Or that Sindri would smash said orb? Did you expect that Kratos would be known as “Kratos the Rebuilder” (as the writer said)? Was any of that predictable?
"Everyone's perception of the mythology has been warped by popular media" xD what a clown. read eda or havamal. Odin is not Zeus evil like....
I loved the depiction of Odin. In the old myths he was much more of a "shadow operator" kind of god, and was typically depicted not looking like a warrior godking in gold like he is in Marvel, but instead very similar to Gandalf the Grey,... Almost like Tolkien was inspired by something...
Yeah all these fanboys are stuck on the MCU Odin look like marvel is the say-so of Norse mythos.
He reminds me so much of a Tzeentch sorcerer vs Krato's Khornate powers.
@@ryanthompson2723yeah but it doesn't automatically make this better though. From a video game point of view the battle with these gods felt like fighting a small mini boss from the older games. Very underwhelming
Richard Schiff did an amazing job as Odin. His first scene at the meet n greet with Thor and Kratos is so epic.
The tension is thicker than AJ after Thanksgiving and all of a sudden comes Odin and steals the whole scene you forget that 2 titans are inches apart ready to clash and you just focus in on him. That's the kind of "power" and presence Odin gives off, and it fits him to a tee. He wants all your focus on him even after he's done talking to you.
Odin's personality definitely not out of place lol. He's meant to be a sly lying skeemer who outplays his enemies rather than simply being the guy who does all the heavy lifting which is what he has people like Thor for. So his personality and VA was a good fit and a nice contrast to all the other Aesir we'd come across so far.
They basically wanted him to be like Odin from the marvel movies which is honestly played out I like cunning mob boss Odin
@@goku8621 tbh i prefer gow potrayal of odin, he suits the scheming and manipulative person that was portrayed and voice well by Richard Schiff, people get so caught up in the MCU that they think thats how asgard always was based on, a comic franchise
Agreed, I actually like this Odin, sneaky, scheming and manipulative. Having him as a friendly old guy really made you think is he that bad? Later you see yes, yes he is.
I guess you never have read the nordic Sagas nor the Edda. He himself conquered many lands and was superior to every God in battle. Keep your mouth shut arab if you dont know what you are talking about.
If he's so smart why did he kill thor? It didn't help him one bit. Just another reason to point and say oh he's the bad guy. His actions were poorly written. Why did he forbid thor from killing kratos in the beginning? That's not even in line with his character. Just terrible writing
Honestly this a pretty spot on depiction of Odin, some people are confused becuz they think of Odin as the Norse vertion pf Zeus, when he actually more like the Norse vertion of Hermes. Yes he is the head of the Norse gods, but most of his myths show him being a trickster archetype, being more brain than brawn.
It does feel like they gave Odin some slight "Loki from original norse mythology" traits.
i loved odin, thor and heimdall carried this game so hard for me, all amazing well written and acted characters
@@fippylol Heimdall OMG the guy playing him. Played it to perfection. I wanted no more than to end the arrogant prick more than any of them
Actually Odin is more serious
At the same time, he only presents himself as the God of Wisdom. In truth, he is an opportunitistic brute that tries to pretend he is anything but that.
I was fully expecting the actual ragnarok to have rows upon rows of soldiers charging at each other like in the Lord of the Rings films, even if just for a cutscene. That part ended too quickly imo.
You know that Ragnarok final arc would have been a great time to put lots of those log carrying trolls in the background
Uhh no
It’s because of the No-cut camera
Yea this really was one of the worst stories ever
@@MH-bw9zt Troll
I've said this a bunch already, but I'll say it again ...I'm SOOO DAMN GLAD you guys returned to the trademark AJS game review format!!! Another banger here ...these reviews are like an old friend that I'll drop everything for just to kick it with them! Keep up the great work, guys!! Cheers!!
What do you mean old format?
@@katakurifan5213 you don't watch the channel regularly I take it ....to answer your question, for the first half of this year or so they were releasing game reviews in the same discussion panel format as their movie/series reviews .....needless to say, it wasn't received well and they reverted back to this far superior original format for game reviews.
@@EvEnMoR yeah, sadly they rapid fired plague tale
@@meh8726 ya, it's always a bummer when that happens... Feel kinda bad saying that as a fan cuz they aren't bad reviews, just disappointing when put up against the quality of a full AJS Review and when that's what you're hoping for with a particular game... However, I get it, there's only 3 of them and there's only so many hours in a day. Especially since they've taken on all the additional content covering news, movies, TV, tabletop games, etc.
Don’t get your hopes up. Joe used to make 15-20 real Angry Reviews every year. Now he makes 5 if we’re lucky.
I actually didn't mind Odin and his voice. The sarcastic and charismatic feeble old man definitely made you wonder how he got the power he has. Why would so many people be afraid of this old man? You can also tell that he probably doesn't indulge in the aesir life that most of the other people seem to enjoy.
It reminds me of the anime old man who seems useless but is one of the strongest most respected people in the series.
Edit: I also think they didn't nerf Kratos's rage/fury. I think rage/fury isn't his strongest weapon anymore. He hated gods just for being gods in general. because of his past. He's slowly understanding that a god's intent determines if they are good or bad.
That's what makes Odin kind of disturbingly devious. He himself doesn't indulge in the Aesir lifestyle but he encourages everyone else, especially Thor, to indulge as much as possible because it makes them easy to manipulate
@@ramonandrajo6348 Grow up man babie
@@ramonandrajo6348 What does agenda have to do with any of this if anything this the least woke game that came out this year there was almost not a single moment where they shoved agenda stuff in a mythology based story yall have to stop calling everything woke because it didn't have a giga cool white dude like fr
The one thing they missed out one was showing him be more evil a few more times. We hear about his evil deeds more than we see them in game (kind of all crammed near the end) and that makes him being the last boss kind of..meh.
For the most part he just seems like an old man who wants that mask piece. A twist that would be ideal in my head is that Freya, Mimir and Tyr are actually the ones manipulating you and the Asgardians are violent towards you just because that is their culture, but that twist would have plenty of plot holes.
@@75353866 Odin doesn't really do anything evil directly except for the dwarf (avoiding spoilers) and the very first fight. Even his manipulation leads you to helping more people/creatures.
Honestly if he had shown his actual madness more. He could have been better. Similar to atreus's interaction with a certain grandmother.
All in all, Odin wad never given the strength to really take away from the heroes or manipulate them into a total loss.
I absolutely love the way they portrayed Thor and especially Odin. Thor being this timid physical kid around Odin, but then letting his crazy side out when he's not around. And Odin being this Mafia-esque Don, who's incredibly manipulative, sneaky, and pretty douche-y.
"Hey, it's me? Your entire economy?" Odin was such a good antag, easily well-done with this modern take.
Nope, both sucks in this game. Also, the game is WOKE.
@@ramonandrajo6348 what is woke about the game exactly?
@@mr.baldzher5193 they aren't all white. That's "WOKE" for some reason
@@mr.baldzher5193 don’t bother with the waste of space he is going in every comment thread and spewing this bs.
You know Joe likes a game or not by the moment the intro starts.
As soon as I hear “you fucked it up” I know how it’s gunna go if I don’t hear that then I know it’ll be alright 😂
I liked Odin. He was the kinda guy that, while he would lie to you, he would also tell you the truth but twist it so that you would see it his way and see that he was right. Which is a pretty understandable characterization from the source material. And his quest/need for knowledge was spot on.
I liked the politician comparison. I think it fits Odin very well he’s kinda slippery and one isn’t quite sure about his intentions and how far he’d go to achieve his goal. In general I like how the game doesn’t have too many marvel like characters and I like that a lot
@@kenb.1096 i agree but he coulda looked cooler at least. Tyr was a big flop when he showed up too, seemed more jesus than some viking god of war
I could not stop laughing! 🤣 "Well...at least it's not the end of the world or anything." RAGNAROK! LOL! 🤣🤣
He's a manipulator. There i summed it up for you.
@@badmedicine65 yea, MAJOR letdown. I rolled my eyes so fkn hard when he started whining about being a pacifist lol
These were the best portrayals of Odin and Thor in popculture. They are close to their mythological roots and grounded in the scandinavian beliefs while being intelligent, human, threatning and impressive.
NO THEY ARE NOT.
@@themagnus2919 what is a better portrayal? I get that this isn’t entirely mythologicaly accurate but what adaptation is?
Wagner’s Ring of the Nibelungen…
@@themagnus2919 butthurt bobby
@@themagnus2919give a better example then boy?
Personally I'm so glad they didn't do the whole "booming voice menacing guy" for Odin we've seen that 1000 times in things like this including Zeus from the OG trilogy. Odin was never meant to be the intimidating physical presence (that's Thor), he's the schemer, the manipulator, the information seeker & hoarder to the point of obsession which this portrayal fit perfectly.
i guess the problem would be the dialogue, it sounds too modern and not from the time period. Ex. "shit ill sweeten the deal"
@@edggge2242 gow has a time period?
Joe never played the originals so he never got to experience Kratos bashing Zeus’s face in 😂
you just discribe loki not odin
@@phasmidjelly1429 your correct, but I don’t think that’s what they were going for in the God of War games in my opinion
The only disappointment to me was the lack of upgrades with Atreus equipment. You have 3 bows to choose from and some armor which is mostly just aesthetic
Because Atreus is the main character of the game after all..........
Also this games walking simulator. 70% walking and only 30% of actual fucking combat. 10 minutes of walking or puzzles and after maybe 1 combat encounter them straight back to walking. This game ain’t a masterpiece you guys should know this. But it’s not the worst. I’d give it a 7/10
@@josephstalin5751 typical baby mode player
@@AcTiVeReLoAdZhe is right. I just started new game plus after a year... i love the game, love the story. But i know when the game has the slog of walking. But i never was bored first playthrough... just like elden ring.
I loved and ittook me 60 hrs to beat.
Now on new game plus 7 or 8 or9 idk.. im lvl 350 and can walk into boss rooms and speed run in under 5 hrs.
For any game or story if one/player doesnt feel for characters than it will feel like a chore.
So in the end dont hate one anyone who doesnt like th games.
My best friend hates cut scenes. Always skips them. He is the meme i dont know what im doing, but i must kill.
@@michaelfiori6700 I am like your friend. I play GoW 2018 not for the story, but how bad ass Kratos and the runic attacks are at end game (Zeus armor set and others). I only do not skip the EPIC moments. Then back to killing more. And yes, there is too much "parkour" in this game (2018)
The main thing with Odin is nothing frazzled him...which made me worry when with him when he was gonna turn. Obviously expected him to the bad guy but good twists there!
S P O I L E R S
He was clearly rattled in Groa's shrine.
I mean do people truly believe Odin is a good god 💀
Odin was a major disappointment. He looked like a guy with max testo levels, who banged over 300 women, and suddenly, he gets chemically castrated with lupron (the thing 9yo sad boys get, along puberty blockers, in order to become sterile, with a micro penis, to try to become something that they will never be), he also gets female estrogen shots... and he becomes a docile bitch that anyone can bully or spank, without any kind of reaction... when instead, he should be that powerful destroyer of galaxies, that would make everybody shit on their pants, just by hearing his ground- shaking voice !
I was able to beat him, at normal difficulty level, without even dying once... when the dude should have killed me at least 50 times, even before I was able to hit him and steal a bit of health.
@@noteminemsburneraccount324 I played Valkyrie Profile on PS1 and Odin was initially depicted as a might, majestic and noble god in Asgard...only to discover he is very sly, conniving and evil, I believe he stole valuable treasure each from the Jotuum and Vanirs that is why the events in the game was set in motion
@@only4posting you have the most backwards interpretation of odin. Odin in mythology is not like the mcu or zues. He's not a very powerful god. He's basically the god of wisdom, a shape shifter, he sits in the back lines and commands people to do what he wants. So it only makes sense that Odin would be like this. And just because you beat Odin first try doesn't mean it wasn't a good fight. The final baldur fight was awesome but most people did it on their first try. Plus if you played on a harder difficulty you would have a harder time.
Whether this game wins the GOTY or not, it's still a damn great game.
It's great yes.. But ya gotta know elden ring will take the cake. And it deserves it tbh.
God of war will win
Eh, both games are more than deserving of it. I'd be happy with either or winning.
@@Resin311 I like Elden Ring
But we need to stop pretending it's anything but a glorified open world dark souls
That mainly claimed attention because people heard George RR Martin helped write it.
@@jacobmcmahan109 Well god of war has been the same game for 5 or so games.
I did notice, one of the only things I feel I should complain about in this game, is that the spartan rage doesn’t feel like a power up, it just feels like I’m punching the enemy a bunch of times.
This is true
Yeah but it never felt that great in the 2018 title either. It's a ghost of what it was in the OG GoW saga which I guess kind of goes with the theme of it. I didn't use the standard spartan rage at all in this one, only the 3rd version you get where you do a finisher. That version was perfect for this gameplay where you have to manage status ailments and stuns. It's basically a get out of jail free card that also awards you some health and a heavy finisher
Lol it's a heal mechanic now it feels like
@@malazan6004 its exactly the same as it was in 2018, nerfed little bit bcs you now can change it up with other rage bar abilities. Wrath etc. so where is the downside here? Its just a pointless nitpick. If you played 2018 you get tired of the standard ability anyway after a short time.
It’s the same as 2018. It’s not supposed to be like an iwin button. It’s there so you can stunlock enemies, get health back and be really hard to kill.
They actually addressed why Kratos is slightly weaker in game. There is a small conversation with Mimir and Freya where Mimir asks Kratos about Gods wielding insane abilities in Greek lore. Kratos saying he once wielded them too, Freya asks if he can still access those powers, Kratos saids he has has tried but he cannot, then mimir concludes with the theory that it has to do with the destruction of his homeland.
Probably not being in his homeland means he's weaker. Can't draw power......
I love the portrayals of the Gods. Odin and Thor especially. They really felt like flawed and real characters. I enjoyed every scene they were in. I was so intrigued to get to understand them more because they are more than their Godhood, they are people with insecurities, emotions, and weaknesses. I compare these characters to what we had in the first two Thor movies. Thor was over the top, and cringe at moments, where in God of War he feels like a person with deep flaws like massive Daddy issues. Almost from the beginning of meeting Thor you can feel a deep resentment he has for his father Odin who favored Baldur over Thor and Thor's children. Then, (SPOILERS) when Atreus and Thor are given a job by Odin, you can feel the tension between Thor and Atreus. Almost like Thor has hatred for him, not because he helped kill his Sons, but because he sees how Odin is favoring Atreus. The writers really knocked it outta the park when developing these characters and their identity.
Tbh they just followed what the Norse mythology is like
Norse gods are not as theatrical as the Greek ones, they are down to earth
Which is why I don’t get when people say Odin felt out of place? This is exactly how they described him in gow2018
And all the characters do act more human not just Odin.
I’ll pass on that “ it was described” on the previous game, they’re Gods. I prefer they’re portrayed as more other worldly not anywhere near “relatable” in any human way.
The scene with other Joe getting pelted with color dust had me laughing out loud for a minute
Although Kratos does feel nerfed. He actually explains how he lost all his previous weapons and magic since it was tied to his realm. With the death of his world he said he tried some of his magic but it didnt work, Love that they answered the question
@@scottneil1187 His blades are imbued with the power of Khaos. The 1st primordial being after the birth of the universe. The power is far older than the gods or titans themselves.
@@shinkounova8485 well this explains why the blade's fire still works but what about the fact that the blades returns or goes back to Kratos whenever he tries to get rid of them? What kind of magic is that returning part?
@@Dante999000 They were cursed to be bound him if im not mistaken.
@@shinkounova8485 so I'm guessing that the blades would get destroyed if Kratos dies or would it gets pass on???
@@Dante999000 Yea thats my best guess as well.
I just finished the game today (after 40 hours) and I did enjoy it, though I had problems with the pacing of the narrative more than in GOW 4. I for one did not hate the segment with Angrboda, but I did find myself saying "wait, I thought we were done here" and went onto facing her grandmother which I felt was unnecessary with how things turned out. And while I did feel like Rangarok itself felt weak in terms of the scale of the war, I did let it slide after all was said and done.
The snake at the grandmothers that Atreus put the giant soul into was Jormungandr that we saw fighting Thor in Asgard. Remember he “looked different” because he was the younger version and then Thor hit him so hard he blipped back in time to eventually become the world serpent we know from Midgard.
@@BuddyChy Oh I know of that one. I was referring to how kind of inconsequential the boss fight against the grandma was way after that moment.
@@ramiking745 it’s more background character building especially for Angrboda. Also they simply thought animals having their souls taken was fucked up and wanted to do something about it.
@@BuddyChy I do get it was done for character building. I just thought it was kind of shoehorned in or that the narrative needed some fat trimming to get to that moment. Its hard for me to explain or justify what I think of it while avoiding the harsh criticism the segment got from others.
@@ramiking745 I get it. I can imagine someone only having a couple hours one day being really in the mood to play as Kratos, but all they have time for us to get through that section. I don’t blame someone for being unable to enjoy it under certain circumstances and headspace.
Thought the voice work for odin and thor was really good, thors portrayal is more in line with the actual myths. Also Odins actor is just doing his own voice, it doesnt sound mobster like at all
The fact Odin was as human looking as anybody was dope, he seemed trustworthy and friendly, Of course it was all manupilation. As opposed to a huge character that rules by fear.
Wrong. Odin was done dirty. He isnt evil in the original mythology. Can you tell me what Odin did wrong that he deserves all this hate and death? In the past he did wrong yes, but all these people forget what Kratos did. Or freya or Mimir. This game is about redemption, yet nobody gives him a chance. Straight out he offers peace to Kratos. Even at Asgard he is kind to little bitch atrejus. It's not manipulation.
He only kills brok when they actually are plotting to kill him.
This game is absolute trash. Nonsensical story, awful pacing ( for 15 hours you're trying to do? What? Nobody knows. Avoid war, fate only to accept it at 20 hours and go to war), pointless black washing ( angroboda is NOT BLACK ), pointless scenes, characters are idiotic, Kratos turned from a killing machine to a bitch. Gameplay is lackluster, repetitive enemies. Bosses are good but too few. This is trash compared to old gow games. I don't get it. All these people forget the past so fast. Or is it that they are too young to remember it? It's a shame. Joe and the rest have no idea how great gow 2 and 3 was. They butchered the series. Absolute trash.
I didn't like his outfit, I would have liked to see his big hat and staff more.
@@captainp.2721 It's called evolution.
Kratos wasn't a bitch, he has a fuckin kid you dunse.
If you were a fan of the original trilogy, you'd know how important family is to Kratos considering the entire reason he slaughters the Greek pantheon is to get revenge for his family.
I'm sorry you expected some 2 dimensional caveman Kratos to come through and just murder everyone again- this is the reason fans don't make the games lol
Fear? A character that let's Kratos and Atreus do whatever the F they want to in the entire game. Even at the Sutr part where Kratos says this is too easy, Odin knows this is our only hope and still Odin did nothing! No this story was really bad!
@@captainp.2721 He killed his own son you absolute freak. What have you been smoking? Go back and play the old games if you don’t like it why are you here? I loved the game. You didn’t like it. Sucks to be you I guess. Gutted mate 😂
For me, Odin’s voice was amazing, he really sounded like a manipulative, egotistical bastard. He constantly sounds passive agressive, and belittles the people beneath him, yet is sweet to Atreus because he wants something from him. We know he is the villain, yet i atleast, started to question if the main characters were in the wrong.
@@ramonandrajo6348 what are you even talking about. Lmao, that's sounding like incel basement dwelling internet addict talk.
I like his voice and mannerisms even though its not menacing at all, which i feel he needed at least a bit. What i cant get down with tho is alot of the dialogue and the way its delivered.
@@ramonandrajo6348 what modern project doesnt tbh. Ive learned to phase out the political pandering in modern entertainment to at least get a little enjoyment out of it. Once in a while tho we get a true passion project like Northman, Top Gun etc.
@@standardreplicantKD6-3.7 you didn't think top Gun was political pandering?
@@standardreplicantKD6-3.7 True.
The hardest part about this game is we generally look at the Marvel Asgard for what to expect from the cities, characters, etc. from what I understand this was much more “accurate”
Its not hard at all. Disassociate things and its not a problem at all.
This game has absolutely zero accuracy with the source material.
It is all over the place. None of it is the same.
@@bobdylan1968 I’m not the most mythology minded person but I’d say it was more accurate than Marvel right? At least the movies
@@DadsCigaretteRun there's more characters from the lore, and some nice little call backs here and there. But it's mostly totally made up. Which is fine. It's not supposed to be super accurate.
But there's a great video here on TH-cam of someone who studied mythology all his life, that goes over god of wars depictions. And he definitely was very far from impressed with the accuracy of it.
Again though, it doesn't make it bad.
@@bobdylan1968 fair enough, maybe the real lore wasn’t as cool looking as they wanted to make them 😂
All the extra puzzle hints from the companions are there because the developers watched so many first-time players of the previous game struggle with what to many of us seemed obvious solutions. And even with all these hints I still see people struggling to get them right.
While I didnt get the character of Odin at first, over time I grew to like him (as a villian) more and more, and now I thought it was a great choice they made in portraying Odin that way.
Well he is a villain, you are not supposed to like him…
@@marksantiago9841 Sure you are. You can like a villain AS a villain. Look at Darth Vader.
Odin's voice gave off a nice deception vibe. Like he was a smooth talker, seemingly friendly. But his intentions were different.
That's kind of the point. Odin isn't supposed to sound menacing. He is trying to look like a chill guy, especially towards loki, so he is intentionally avoiding to come across as a commanding dominant type like kratos or thor.
I think the performance was absolutely perfect for odin.
My problem with is that im okey with him being all manipulative and deceiving but what was kinda disappointing was the final boss fight like tyr it would have been cool to see him turn onto his true warrior form where he seems some what more threatening and serious instead of the old man fighting you with a stick fight
They also skipped over his nine legged horse slepnir it would have been so cool to have him attack you from the horse like the huntress boss fight but cooler and epic, IMO i was totally oke with this depiction but i just wish we got better final boss fight shit even thors boss fight was better than this
@@marcianomorisson Im guessing you played the old gow games. And yes i agree with you about odin's appearance in the final battle. It would've been cool if he had this final form or something. But at the same time im fine with it. Still was an awesome boss IMO. But i guess I got used to final forms with final bosses. 😅
100% agree. joe missed that obvious story trait.
Yeah but.... He KNOWS who "the ghost of sparta" is..... And you didn't mean to tell me he didn't prepare for this....? Like dude didn't even pick up a weapon till like.... The last part of the game...?
I love the game but two things could have happened to make the story ascend.
1. Have Kratos fight with Thor against Odin rather than Atreus. Have Thor die after the first part of the fight.
2. Have Kratos become his old self before controlling it again. And when that happens, have Rage of Sparta playing in the background. They had a great chance to do this against Heimdall but didn't.
Dialogue was good on Odin. I liked hearing everyone talk. Makes them feel like actual people in their world as always. I liked the way they told the story. Really felt the weight
Spoiler alert: If there is something I want to add, that is an alternate ending. Atreus was given an option to use the mask or not. I would love to see what will happen if he listened to Odin.
I would have something bad happen to Atreus, I like the idea that Odin was hesitant to put the mask on because what if it just sucked out your energy and killed you, he was using Atreus as a test subject then maybe he would.kill.him and take the mask if it worked out.
The problem with the Angroboda section is that it's like 2 hours of mainline questing with her and just Atreus. If it was split into 2/3 sections it would pick up the pace for sure.
Yeah, absolutely hated that section. Luckily it picked up immediately after.
@@kentzhodiono6938 Same. It just felt like that whole section was DRAGGING. Didn't mind it at first, but it definitely overstayed its welcome.
Gonna suck going through it again in NG+. Maybe they'll find a way to streamline it somehow.
Oh, god i hated that part. It seemed as it would never end.
I hated pretty much every single Atreus gameplay part. Too long and most of his story bits just draaaaaaaaaagged on.
The part in Ironwood was the worst. Angrboda herself wasn't really the problem. It was the awful pacing. Closely followed by climbing the wall in Asgard.
Take a shot every time Joe says "AtrayOOS" 🤣
It’s crazy that the “mural of Atreus holding kratos” was actually Atreus holding Odin with his soul coming out of odins mouth
Damn! I didn’t think of that 😅
Well no it was suppose to be kratos the whole premise was that they changed destiny
honestly Odin was one of my favorite parts of this game. yeah his voice was unexpected, but that just added to the experience for me. I loved everything about this game. the scene in the beginning where you think you die and thor brings you back... I was so stunned I had to take a break before I could continue 🤣
Alex as Mimir has to be the best intro of a game review I have seen in this channel
Seeing Alex as Mimir is the greatest thing I've ever seen 💀
He looked like Mimir but spoke like Brok.
Sounds like a pretty boring and uneventful life
That Odin part was hilarious lol….good job fellas 😂
This game didn't work for me. Absolutely hated it. Character controller is like moving a Tank. You can't fight in 360 at the same time. Kratos character is none-existent. He just follow without adding any direction. Spoilers: Portion of the game where you control the Son with a girl in a forest like environment and collect fruits, was extremely boring and doesn't add anything. Loki plot thread lead to nowhere. Some dramatic scenes at the end didn't make any sense. Characters towards the end collectively had a change of heart, how convenient. I gave it 6/10
Man Atreus being Loki was just a waste of a potentially cool villain we could have had instead, him being Loki literally meant nothing. I remember in an interview where Cory was talking about how cool the idea was and how he wish he came up with himself only for it to end up like this.
Can't remember a year where I got to play two games (ragnarok and elden ring) that are honestly some of the best games I have played. Maybe we're coming out of the dark age of gaming finally and developers will realize why these games were so successful
How about 2018?. GOW, RDR2, Spiderman ps4
@@meetparmar4494 never played Spiderman not really into super heroes but yeah your right guess 2020 makes that seem forever ago
All these people giving the game top scores forget what god of war is. Joe and most never played the old gow games. You've no idea how lackluster, and boring this game is compared to them.
The story makes 0 sense, Odin did and does NOTHING wrong. How is he the villain again? Straight out he offers Kratos peace of they stop searching for Tyr. And he only kills brok because they plan to kill him.
Everybody was done wrong here. Kratos turned to a bitch. Check out gow 2 or 3 and see how brutal and unforgiving he is. Atrejus is annoying and stupid as always, the mythology the real mythology is thrown out the window.
First off, angroboda IS NOT BLACK. black washing bullshit. A black Viking? More over a black Viking woman, wife to a god? Yeah. Fuck off.
Story takes ages to find itself. The character including yourself have no idea what to do or what they looking for for at least 6-7 hours into the game. First let's go find some paintings then let's find Tyr oh Tyr didn't work out let's find Freya oh Freya didn't work out let's find angroboda oh she didn't work out let's find Odin oh Odin didn't work out let's go back to father oh wait Odin did work out let's go back to Odin. For 15 hours the whole story is " it's destiny, we can't break it, we will die, you will hold me in your hands son and we will French kiss. And we don't want war. At all cost it must be avoided!
Then, all of a sudden " general Kratos! Are you ready for war?" Bull fucking shit.
Most of the gods were portrayed good, heimdallr was overly evil tho, and Odin was done very dirty. He isn't evil in the original mythology.
Then at the ending they just kill Odin and all these nonsense custcenes 20 hours you spend for what? Nothing happened, you did nothing good, if you didn't go to war, everything would have been fine , atrejus didn't find any redemption, he just figured to go find more giants which could have been done without any killing.
Gameplay and combat is very lackluster compared to old gow games. I expect a lot more variety in moves, weapons, and enemies. The few bosses there are are good, but again, nothing compared to say gow 3. Repetitive, nonsensical story, lackluster combat, idiotic characters, black washing, and the music???? What happened? 2018 was decent this is ? I can't remember a single song from this.
I can still remember all the songs from old gow games because they're were badass. But all of you forget that. All of you forget what real god of war is. Shame
you wont find that kind of quality with microsoft games
witcher 3 had the best side quests i have ever played.. gameplay yea sucked a little bit but if gow had side quests like witcher 3 it would be awesome
CoryxKenshin put it perfectly when he said “Odin sounds like a used car salesman.”
I only just started watching this review but I had to pause and laugh at the casting. Despite Alex being the tallest and most muscular of the group, Joe ended up playing Kratos and Alex was Mimir's severed head. It's good to be the boss, right Joe? 🤣
Wasn't Alex Kratos for the 2018 game?
OJ is pretty muscular himself, but def alex wouldve had height compared to both lol.
How can there be a trilogy when it's the end of the world? o_O (23:47)
I found this story just as enticing as the last one if not a little better. The story in my opinion faced some pacing issues due to the sheer amount of content in between missions that are story wise happening immediately after the first.
I thought ragnarok was fine as there were reasons it wasnt spectacular. The realms are in disarray first after being oppressed by asgard and second due to ragnarok ravaging everywhere but asgard putting odin at a huge advantage. It was suppose to be a rag tag rebellion not a full fledged war between nations.
Nowhere near as good as the last one. They were checking too many boxes with this one
For me Odin was an absolutely phenomenal villain. Manipulative, cunning, despicable, never felt like he was uninmidating nor underutilized in the slighest bit.
Agreed man Odin was used masterfully
"Uninmidating"?
I get what joe meant for the feeling of impending doom. Mass Effect 3 and the original halo trilogy really gave those "We're at war" vibes.
good god mass effect definitely did dont get me started on the suicide mission in mass effect 2 shit had me sweating like hell
It's weird, I felt the writing was terrible and cringey, the characters unlikable. People just have different tastes, I guess, but I loathed the game. Someone said it was like something written by an elementary school student and I agree, that's about the level of maturity and cohesion in the story.
Odin kinda makes sense given how he is talked about in the previous game. Odin in an opportunistic brute that thinks himself a mentor and teacher. He call pour on the charm, but will betray and destroy you once he had what he wants or you're no longer worthwhile. Odin has this mob boss act because we've already seen the big boistrous King of Gods act from Zeus in the OG GOW Trilogy.
I like the fact that the Gods here act more like ageing mob bosses than what they've been previously portrayed as. It's like something out of The Sopranos or Boardwalk Empire.
Gods don't age
Odin was always depicted as a master manipulator/tactician in these games not an all powerful Beefcake God, he even says that he is the brains and Thor is the muscle so to have him done in this way is perfect as he is a talker not a fighter in general
I kinda disagree with your take on odin, this portrayal of him is amazing. I love how he talks as if everything he says is to manipulate you and how he has little bits where he goes mad trying to find a way to survive ragnarok or know what comes after death. I really like this over having him an all powerful menacing force like zues was
It just felt off from how a norse viking god would approach a literal godslayer. Thors felt much more natural
I love that everyone is making Atreus puberty jokes
The voice actor for Odin was a perfect fit, it makes him sound and seem genuine tbh there are some parts in the game when you play as atreus where you're like, heey, he may not be THAT bad, for a splot second.
agreed like some people says that Odin aspect di not works, he´s not Zeus for god sake.....He is manipulative and deceiver and Richard Schiff(voice actor for Odin)delivers that so well.Sorry for my english still learning greetings from portugal
I know that this is WAY more work, but this is what we come here for, and this is what made your channel what it is. You should do more of these. I miss these. One for the dumpster fire that was Gotham Knights would be super awesome.
Exactly. I’m tired of the non review content
Gaming news are interesting too though
@@morriganrenfield8240 the movie reviews are very low effort and probably generate a lot of revenue. I agree tho, I miss these reviews.
@@chuckdude514 I appreciate the gaming news, as well.
@@hashholla It's the mobile gaming of channels. I feel like if his content were video games, he would be treating the movie/trailer/tv reviews as mobile games and yelling about them.
All that time playing the game and he still messes up Atreus name 🤣
I think Odin is supposed to be more of a wolf in sheeps clothing
Alex as Mimir made me chuckle so much
When I got to Asgard my thoughts were : They probably left Asgard for the last realm to be created, and when it was time to make it, they ran outta budget.
Nah, they intentionally wanted to subvert the big glamorous structures gods were known for having in the Greek games, as well as pay homage to Death Stranding/Iceland.
@@Alex_Logan22 I can understand that, but, at the same time, Asgard looked so empty to me for a place that’s supposed to have the “fiercest warriors” out there.
It definently felt like they rushed things. I mean, you fight both Thor and Odin back to back in the same tiny, bland arena.. compare that to the incredibly climactic boss fight with Baldur in the last game with several phases and grand cinematic sequences. Whereas in this game, the most "exciting" part is when Odin divides his little arena circle into pizza slices. Like, the introduction fight with Thor was more impressive than what we ended up with at the end.
Not to mention that the entire event of ragnarok is way shorter than the Angrboda "sidemission" section where you just aimlessly wander from point A to B and doing boring tasks like.. picking fruit..
The phasing is all over the place. You go from super-slow phasing into full-on ragnarok in 5 seconds. We go from having no army to suddenly having the entire elven population fighting for us in one day (the same elves that has been at war with each other for thousands of years), just because they "like" freyr so much
Sad that you learned norse mythology from marvel.
@@grandadoboman1995 sad that you have no clue what you are talking about. Marvel's portrayel of Asgard is thematically far closer to how Asgard is described in the sagas than GoW's.
It's always fascinating how you people can claim such things so confidently when you are completely wrong. Like, how does this even work. You clearly haven't read the sources or sagas, yet you are still 100% convinced of your opinion.
I actually loved the story mainly because of the character development, the twists were all unpredictable (main thing I hate is when I can see twists coming from a mile away movies or games ) and the combat was challenging and knowing the full story of Kratos game got me chalked up a few times especially near the end . also the PS5 performance with a 4k 120hz Vrr TV is probably the best I have played on console it runs 1440p 70-100 fps and maybe its my TVs upscaling to 4k but I didn't really notice the quality drop much from resolution mode
Joe is the kind of guy who does quality content and never gives in to the whole ''gotta be the first'' and that is what i love about him, he is consistent, knows that even if late, his family and well being comes first and owes his army a good episode, others would just make a half baked ep and call it a day, Joe just let's it slow cook and releases a banger, good job Joe, that is why ur still relevant unlike ur other friends ever since the days of KICKASIA if anyone even remember that.
Cant say atreus correctly though ,even though he played the game for 60 plus hours.
Get off your knees
Haha Kickassia! Good times.
I love the story in this game, too (especially the ending)
Had 0 issues on my PS4 Pro throughout my 40-hour playthrough
I loved this game! Just beat the main story not to long ago but still have a lot of other in game things to do before fully completing it. I really like seeing this side of Kratos compared to the older games, it a nice change seeing Kratos more soft spoken even compared to God of War but can still go full God of War when someone is threatening his son. Loved your review Joe! I don't think it would happen but I would love to see in the next game where it's just Kratos and Freyja, I would like to see where their story goes.
Omg the Peter pan hook thing was my first thought! Angry joe I live an hour and a half from Austin. Come to Fredericksburg and let me buy you a beer!
I did miss some of the healing mechanics the 2018 had. It's like they thought O well this is too useful, but they should have replaced it with something. I played on PS4 and if I have a boss battle in which I can only tank 3 hits til I'm dead but I don't do much damage as you mentioned I am only constantly dodging and blocking and waiting for an opportunity to get 3 hits in as many of the bosses are quite immune to stuns as well. I just feel like I'm underusing many of the abilities and skills you can unlock because they leave me way too vulnerable to damage which I can't recover. Some kind of health steal mechanic would be nice to have earlier on in the game so that aggresive playstyles become more of a thing. Defense is a good thing but it's far too present in especially some of the boss fights too really make it fun to use any of your offensive capabilities. Maybe some defensive abilities would be good to have as option.
Same problem dude. My armour feels like butter! LOL. I get it's Fimbulwinter, but Sindri and Brok are great blacksmiths. Surely they can work around that.
Following the Birgirs side quest in Vanaheim pretty much extends your play through for about 8hrs, the area is massive and I couldn’t believe how much there was to do!
The end felt a bit rushed and I do wish there was a bigger sense of scale in the Norse saga.. There is a good amount of boss variety in Ragnarök but I was hoping for a Cronos scale boss fight, they could've done it with Ragnarök at the end
25 minutes joe, I was expecting a 45 minutes one. Good review as always joe
Thanks for a very fair review! I felt same that Spartan rage was too nerfed in 4&5. It should be a battle skipper and takes more time to fill regardless the difficulty so that we can built some strategies which battle we skip or not, especially in the hardest difficulty, as we did in GOW 1-3. At the very end of the game, Rage only works to make some invincibility frames ...(the last two hidden bosses after the story).
Loved all the weird little mushroom , lizard and elf creatures throughout the world , so cool
Never give up, never surrender. Keep up the good work, AJ and crew!
Grefg! Never surrender.
Given how big of a part Giants played in Greek mythology, I’d like to see them explore that. Like, on his journey to find more giants, Loki travels to Greece, and we see what state it is in after Kratos’ actions. Plus, there are a few Olympians that Kratos didn’t kill. Artemis, Apollo, Tityos (who is not only Loki’s uncle, but also half Olympian, half giant), and several others.
@@scottneil1187 Given that Artemis and Apollo are the only two main members of the pantheon not killed, it would make sense that both of them see the throne of Olympus as theirs. A potential plot could be that Loki arrives in Greece and stumbles into the middle of a civil war between the two siblings, who are fighting for control. Loki is caught up in the fight and must choose a side. And, unlike past GoW games, they could add in a choice system where what you do, affects what type of enemies you fight and places you travel to. So, if you side with Apollo, you’d be fighting Artemis’ huntresses and the wild beasts she controls. Side with Artemis, and you’d fight Apollo’s warriors and the mythical beasts he lords over.
Or my idea that the Roman Persona's of the pantheon had taken over and reshaped the world/realm... Maybe they have a bit of a grudge against Kratos. And suddenly his son shows up in their lands.
@@doomy_mcdoomerson They'd have to deal with Nyx first as she hasn't been killed.
I liked where they were going with Angrboda using her painting as her powers but I think they could have been more creative with it. She could make her paint form into different animals, come to life and fight for her as a sort of summoner. Which would have complimented Atreus' animorph powers really well.
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I loved Odin too. We don't get great bad guys very often
So go make a game with a better character. No? Then who cares
Just got back on this channel for catch up, I have to say; Joe and the gang are awesome as always. This sequel is solid game, one of the few games so far you definitely need in your library collection if you have a playstation console
I loved everything in the game EXCEPT the convuluted UI and ODIN'S BOSS FIGHT. Odin is supposed to be a master manipulator, the dark hand in the background but his boss fight does not reflect that personality. I had hoped that he would trap us in illusions of our ideal, happy worlds: Kratos having Feye and Freya having her son back, Atreus free from the burden of preventing ragnarok. Or perhaps, transporting us to different dimensions/worlds. Or perhaps throwing us back in time (as an illusion) in a way that forces us to kill our loved ones to escape (perhaps connecting Feye's death to our return to the original timeline) - ODIN'S favorite machinations. Anything besides the Brawler-like boss fight we were given. Odin has been built as this master strategist since GOD OF WAR 2018 but his boss fight was bland. ALL OTHER boss fights reflected the personality of the bosses we were fighting and THOSE ARE AWESOME! 9/10. Still, my game of the year/generation because it is also enriches the prequel (2018 and the previous ones tad too)!
How can it be game of the year or generation... Every man and his dog done a youtube video or series on elden ring not gow.. That's the sole reason elden ring needs to be game of the year
@@peter-pw5zr It is but a personal opinion, sir/ma'am. God of War's story speaks to me on intensely deep levels, its combat keeps me entertained (without limitations of a mortal such as stamina bars, regardless of the stragical thinking it enforces), and its world and lore keep me fascinated. Kratos and Arteus story is the best one and speaks a universal language of father and son, to me, even if to no one else. Of course, this does not diminish Elden Ring's achievements but only that I piviot towards God of war.
Thats called, assassins creed Valhalla.
It came out a couple years ago.
Great game.
@@Raytheus movies can speak to you.
Video game award are for those that were too busy playing to even realize a games trying to speak to them.
Like red dead redemption and elden ring.
@@peter-pw5zr
God of War came out LESS than a MONTH ago. Elden Ring came out NEARLY a YEAR ago.
Of course Elden Ring is going to have more videos and people discussing it.
What I really like in GOW is how they portray Loki. Not as mischievous, but someone who makes mistakes by having a big heart and caring to much. That is also always how I envisioned him, at least when he is young.
And from the perspective of the Aesir, he WAS mischievous. They all thought he was out to get them (and he was, but we see it from his perspective and know he’s in the right). From their perspective, he’s still a mischievous little bugger
yeah they sort of ditched the whole “trickster butthead” thing in his portrayal since he’s so young
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 but it still works. he still causes mischief, but by accident. and if you think about it. most original stories get twisted over the years. so what started out as him being a kid who fucks up a lot. over the course of history as the mythology grows. it morphs into him doing things on purpose and being the god of mischief.
Ironically, this game's version of Odin behaved more like how Loki is supposed to behave.
Was bummed out that we didn’t get to use Mjolnir.
Was a good game, way too many cutscenes and some boring sections that kill the replay battle
Odin voice actor is the guy who plays Eddy in the Lost World Jurassic Park,he saves them from the trailer going off the cliff & gets eaten by the R-rex...Joes italian joke couldn't be more far off lol
Also the neursurgeon from the good doctor
I still think the first one dominated in storytelling, this one doesn't really compare especially with a lot of the more interesting story paths that just get deleted by cutscenes. They could've made this game a 10/10 if they had just followed the same play-by-play style of the 2018 version. Instead I felt this was more akin to AC Odyssey with it's lack of meaningful encounters because they wanted to give us a bunch of content. (Not complaining about a bunch of content, just could be about 25% more focused on the fact that the every realm is about to perish) It wouldve aided the story had we skipped the Thor and Odin fights to postpone them later as a duo fight because of the fact that Odin has put a bind curse on Thor's literal brain to assist him in battle until death. We could've had Thruds arc come full circle, we could've had a beautifully touching death scene with thrud/sif/Thor only for Thor to make Kratos promise to "end his madness" like we eventually accomplished. So many things could've been done to turn this into a 10 but they lacked proper focus.
That would have been badass!
Agreed, id add in that the ending in asgard felt a bit too rushed, I would've loved to roam around asgard talking to npcs like other games with city designs.
@@marklo6283 I agree, we saw so little of Asgard. They teased us going there for so long only to lock us to a linear path the whole time.
I found the storytelling to be a step down in general. I don't think there was much uniqueness to this game, either. It felt too close to 2018 in terms of settings. We went to mostly the same places, dealt with the same people, covered a lot of the same ground character-wise.
Some of the mechanics were improved, but nothing too crazy. I still think the variety of enemies kinda sucks in terms of how we are meant to deal with them. They pretty much do the same things over and over and there's still the issue of having only a small handful of enemies going at a time so you don't get a sense of really kicking ass since you're taking on only a couple things at a time.
It's not a bad game at all, still really enjoyable overall, but I don't really get the affinity for it.
This game has a ton of great moment that are unfortunately tied together with too many macguffins and elements that go absolutely nowhere and only serve to have characters either end up some place inorganically or quickly moved to a place so they can experience something they otherwise cannot where they exist at certain moments in time.
Pacing in general is a huge issue about half way in and it never really recovers once it starts having these issues bringing all its elements together
The big moments are all there, it’s connecting them together that they seemed to struggle with here.
[Spoiler] The ragnarok invasion was the only let down for me. We had spent 2 games with Mimir drilling our ears about the end of times, the war to end all wars, and they foreshadowed how Kratos would have to pick up his general's banner in the end but did so little with it.
I would have had Kratos take charge of the Raganrok army at the start of the final act and then have the player do the tour of the relms to rally everyone and then have a huge war room meeting planning the assault only for the final mission to play out kindof like medeval strategy warfare but without actual troops management on the player's part.
Maybe even have Kratos not be on the front line right away but instead you play as Atreus carrying out the general's orders along with everyone else. Only for Ktratos to jump in as the much needed reinforcment showing Odin "the god he once was".
So utimatly the ending was rushed a litttle after having such a slow pace. Another option would've been to have this game be called something else and end with a failed invasion where Surtr doesn't show up. And then have a third game that's all about the Ragnarok war which could be a long term battle split accross the realms (kinda like Mass Effect 3)
"Oh my god, I hate you dad, go get some sun" 😂
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The whole, Kratos being a side character in his own game statement has some weight to it, but you have to remember this is a game about a father watching his son grow and be able to make his own decisions, that’s why when Atreus is doing his own thing, Kratos is shown to be worried and waiting for his son which is what a good father would do. All in all it was a great game and as a father I got to experience both this game and the previous in a whole different perspective as compared to if I wasn’t a father.
I don't have any stats to support this but I'm sure you pkay as Kratos the great majority of the time. I don't see how he was sidelined at all.
Sad Kratos is hard to watch and be taken seriously. Is it just me? or the recent years characters like Sad Kratos, Joel Miller, Ethan Winters and Ethan Mars are now being typecasted as the "sad/best father archetype" in the videogame scene?
@@rdu239 I think Kratos is a great character. Even if someone has never played the older games you know that he's a man with a past and him trying to bond with his son was handled really well IMO. I think he had a better story arc in GOW 2018 than most characters in mainstream movies/shows over the past 10 years.
@@rdu239yeah, they just want to constantly depict strong male characters as weak and emotional. I hate it .
@@AliHamza-sv4ni I think you just need to go to therapy. Being able to identify and confront one's emotions does not make anyone weak. It's quite the opposite.
15:35 thank you for mentioning this. In my community we called Atreus "the god of backseating" lol. Hopefully in the next game, they tone down in-game hints for puzzles because it takes away the fun of solving it.
You do realize there’s a bunch of accessibility settings for that in the menus right..?
@@BryMakesArt are there? last i checked there arent
@@MrEssexRay there are. You can extend the time that they give you suggestions
@@JacobyMc ah excuse me
@@JacobyMc You're talking about the "puzzle timing" option? No, that doesn't affect the companion's banter. Tried it myself on a new game. That option only affects Nornir puzzles.
I love how Kratos and Atreus feel like a father and son here. In the first game they felt like almost literal strangers to each other. They didn’t know how to talk to each other. Here they do. Kratos is ting trying to know his son. He already does this time he wants to protect his son. And you can feel the burning love he has for this boy. He’d slaughter anything they ever dared the harm him. But has also learned to be gentle
I don't agree. I completely feel like they were strangers but over the course of the story slowly became the father Son duo.
"The grand daddy of sock babies, is the best line in this video." I have just started watching it to.
For me i loved the game, but it lacked the large set pieces and epic boss battles gow are known for. I wanted these large set piece puzzles that change the landscape to open paths. The whale island in svartelfeim is as close as it gets. Boss battles just kind of stay in one place side from the opening thor fight. It never reaches that level again. And yes i agree asgard needed to be grander. Not necessarily like the mcu but more fitting to all the legends weve been hearing from mimir.
I actually loved odin, it portrayed his innate deceptive nature, he sounds reasonable, but also subtlety deceptive.. hes able to sway people with a silver tongue and speak to you like hes a friend, but also has this like twisted side when his mask slips.. It never felt out of place to me at all.. But then again i havent seen odin very much in any other content, so i dont have a defined image or sound in my mind when it comes to odin.
Odin was deceptive he made me believe he was right
@@Pricelessking14 yeah the writers did an amazing job with odin
@@ramonandrajo6348 Care to specify how they were spreading "the message"?
I'm against what is commonly referred to as "being woke" myself, but come on man. When you are paranoid about it, and hyper fixated on it, you will literally start looking for it in everything, which makes you eventually see it in everything even if it really isn't there.
So what "woke" messaging is in Ragnarok? Were there Mary Sues? Was race made a big deal? Were men portrayed as weak and dumb? Everything typical of "woke" messaging is not present in Ragnarok from what I saw. So please, give examples.
@@leetlc441 ignore the dude he is spamming on every comment here feels like he is that I DUNT WANT POLITICS IN MUH VIDYA GAMZ kinda guy
@@ramonandrajo6348 You mean portraying Odin as he's described in Norse mythology? As a god that frequently disguised himself as an old man to interact with and aid mortals? Because Norse gods were very different from Greek ones.
Yeah Odin definitely isn't Zeus but I think that's a good thing a good distinction with attitudes , demeanor and boss fight
If you free the flying jellyfish thing with Freya, they say how much Atreus would've loved to see this. And I felt like I missed out, but now I know what happens when you do it with Atreus. So thank you :) very heartfelt moment