Blame the manufacturers and UK laws for either offering 125cc or 300-400cc with nothing in between. The ideal power for a small bike/scooter is around 175-200cc. That would guarantee 70 mph true on Dual Carriage Ways. But bike makers are only interested in either the UK CBT/youth market or the A2/A licence market. So there are no bikes between 125cc and 300+ cc, apart from the old Suzuki Burgman 200cc which was discontinued. I went all round Europe on that scooter and the extra 75 cc enabled an easy 70 mph+. It made a HUGE difference compared with 125 cc. In the US and Europe you can find 150+cc scooters as they do not have UK 125cc restrictions.
I had a CB125 twin in 1974 SRA 885 K and it would do 65 flat out on the flat and 60 uphill and 72 downhill , it would stay at 65 all day long and not even cough .
But it's probably very dependent on the rider's weight when it comes to top speed on 125s? I have no experience with motorcycles yet, but i think it's necessary to mention rider's weight with these tests.
Thanks Mark, I just think 125’s shouldn’t be available. It makes no sense in my mind. Sure, different country, different taxes & different costs but if it can’t do the minimum highway speed limit, it’s a tragedy waiting to happen.
The answer is that it isn't. An indicated 65mph on an SH Mode is actually around 58-60 mph. Try it with a GPS and you'll see that almost all scooters over-read speeds by a large margin. The Honda Forza is probably one of the very few 125cc scooters capable of just about reaching a genuine 70mph. Even then the conditions have to be favourable.
Hey! Im thinking about Buying a Hyosung GT 125R 2007 for 1k or a 2010 for 1.5k with even lower mileage, or a Yamaha r125 2010 but with 55k miles for 1.7k. Which one do you think that’s best? I thought the 2010 because I’m also 6’3 and it’s bigger
Being tall, I would say the Hyosung is a better fit and when they work properly, run great, 80mph MAX However, there were issues with fuelling and as they never made it to Euro 4, they are rare to find parts now. Yam YZF125 are everywhere. However, A LOT of them have been thrashed, binned, plastics held on with cable ties, so inspect it well and a lot have aftermarket exhausts which were bodged on. As long as it doesn't smoke, been serviced regularly and well, it should be ok but 55k IS high mileage for a 125. YZF's are tall enough but thin. Hard to tell which is better. If it was me, I would hold out for a lower mileage, nice YZF. Such a shame Hyosung never made a fuel injection bike, it would have been excellent.
If there was a fatality and the crash was caused by a dangerous driver the scene is regarded as a murder scene and so it has to be full documented before they let traffic through as car or motorbike tyres can destroy evidence .
As others have indicated, whilst Chinese bikes are improving, the Yamaha MT and XSR 125, Honda Cb125R and others easily do 70+. You have decide whether the extra performance is worth 2k extra. To me yes. To others, understandably no.
My GSXR125 would happily sit at an indicated 80 all day long, it was a lovely thing. Perfect for long commutes on a CBT, although overtaking could be a bit... laboured.
I hate w⚓️s who say “it’s not a target” you have no idea whether people need to get somewhere or what time pressure their under, they could be a delivery drive who has a tight schedule while you just potter along like a three toed sloth on mogodon. If you not happy doing the speed limit on roads then give up driving.
Well, as a biker....hmmm lol. When on a 125, it certainly is a target. Also re: vans, it is a grey area because car-derived vans can do 60 as stated, but also car derived vans dual purpose limit is 50. Depends on the vans use, hence grey area.
@@sergentcolon1 So true about delivery drivers/driving for a living jobs. I've done plenty since the late 80's, experienced the pressure, seen things get worse due to greedy bosses, insane health and safety rules etc. I pity anyone who has to drive for a living now.
Well, a grey area because car-derived vans can do 60 as stated, but also car derived vans dual purpose limit is 50. Depends on the vans use, hence grey area.
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Blame the manufacturers and UK laws for either offering 125cc or 300-400cc with nothing in between. The ideal power for a small bike/scooter is around 175-200cc. That would guarantee 70 mph true on Dual Carriage Ways. But bike makers are only interested in either the UK CBT/youth market or the A2/A licence market. So there are no bikes between 125cc and 300+ cc, apart from the old Suzuki Burgman 200cc which was discontinued. I went all round Europe on that scooter and the extra 75 cc enabled an easy 70 mph+. It made a HUGE difference compared with 125 cc. In the US and Europe you can find 150+cc scooters as they do not have UK 125cc restrictions.
I have a Bergman125 on a 70plate, done 25k miles, stil sits at 60-65 comphy.
very tempted to buy one thats on offer for £2250 brand new from a motor bike dealer just not sure how reliable they are
I had a CB125 twin in 1974 SRA 885 K and it would do 65 flat out on the flat and 60 uphill and 72 downhill , it would stay at 65 all day long and not even cough .
The Honda Forza 125 could cruise at an indicated 70 mph. Great commuter!
Epic video
But it's probably very dependent on the rider's weight when it comes to top speed on 125s? I have no experience with motorcycles yet, but i think it's necessary to mention rider's weight with these tests.
Saw a vid where the Suzuki gsx-s 125 did 127kph (78mph) on the speedo and real life gps 117kph(72mph)
Thanks Mark, I just think 125’s shouldn’t be available. It makes no sense in my mind. Sure, different country, different taxes & different costs but if it can’t do the minimum highway speed limit, it’s a tragedy waiting to happen.
Not everyone needs to do highways plenty of city bikes, delivery pizza guys etc.
@@boeos with that in mind, I agree🤙
Why is my 2015 Honda SH Mode 125 quite happy to max at 65 all the time then!
The answer is that it isn't. An indicated 65mph on an SH Mode is actually around 58-60 mph. Try it with a GPS and you'll see that almost all scooters over-read speeds by a large margin. The Honda Forza is probably one of the very few 125cc scooters capable of just about reaching a genuine 70mph. Even then the conditions have to be favourable.
@@fingerhorn4 Yes, 99.99% of riders use the dial in front of them!
Hey! Im thinking about Buying a Hyosung GT 125R 2007 for 1k or a 2010 for 1.5k with even lower mileage, or a Yamaha r125 2010 but with 55k miles for 1.7k. Which one do you think that’s best? I thought the 2010 because I’m also 6’3 and it’s bigger
Being tall, I would say the Hyosung is a better fit and when they work properly, run great, 80mph MAX However, there were issues with fuelling and as they never made it to Euro 4, they are rare to find parts now. Yam YZF125 are everywhere. However, A LOT of them have been thrashed, binned, plastics held on with cable ties, so inspect it well and a lot have aftermarket exhausts which were bodged on. As long as it doesn't smoke, been serviced regularly and well, it should be ok but 55k IS high mileage for a 125. YZF's are tall enough but thin. Hard to tell which is better. If it was me, I would hold out for a lower mileage, nice YZF. Such a shame Hyosung never made a fuel injection bike, it would have been excellent.
i had a Hartford VR 125 Z and got 75 out of it
Do we pay for badge or does it deserve its money? add some more money and svartpilen 125 can be more attractive in this range.
It is a very well made bike
If there was a fatality and the crash was caused by a dangerous driver the scene is regarded as a murder scene and so it has to be full documented before they let traffic through as car or motorbike tyres can destroy evidence .
The van probably has a tracker in it feeding average speed back to his company.
As others have indicated, whilst Chinese bikes are improving, the Yamaha MT and XSR 125, Honda Cb125R and others easily do 70+. You have decide whether the extra performance is worth 2k extra. To me yes. To others, understandably no.
Exactly that
My GSXR125 would happily sit at an indicated 80 all day long, it was a lovely thing. Perfect for long commutes on a CBT, although overtaking could be a bit... laboured.
My Honda SH125i scooter will easily do 65 on the flat and I’ve seen 72 down hill.
That's 65mph INDICATED. It won't be a true 65.
@@fingerhorn4 no shit Sherlock
65 on the clock. Not gps😂 sh are slow 😂
@@JDMz I’ve owned 150mph bikes and own a bigger bike as well as the SH, it’s fast enough for my needs and does 125-140 mpg
The dodgy roundabout lol welcome to the NDR 2 lanes into 3 on the roundabout doesn't go and has caused HUNDREDS of accidents since its been open
I hate those 360 cameras
why?
They make me feel sick
@@motorsforthemasses
@@Bigalref1 I'll have to try touching my socks in the next video, can't say the cameras have made me grab my socks before lol
but 50mph is the LIMIT, ............NOT a target, you should know that with your experience................chill.
Not for a biker ..... Only for a boring car driver .....
I hate w⚓️s who say “it’s not a target” you have no idea whether people need to get somewhere or what time pressure their under, they could be a delivery drive who has a tight schedule while you just potter along like a three toed sloth on mogodon. If you not happy doing the speed limit on roads then give up driving.
Well, as a biker....hmmm lol. When on a 125, it certainly is a target. Also re: vans, it is a grey area because car-derived vans can do 60 as stated, but also car derived vans dual purpose limit is 50. Depends on the vans use, hence grey area.
@@sergentcolon1 So true about delivery drivers/driving for a living jobs. I've done plenty since the late 80's, experienced the pressure, seen things get worse due to greedy bosses, insane health and safety rules etc.
I pity anyone who has to drive for a living now.
50 is the limit in a van
Not necessarily...see other comment replies
😢speedos have always been inaccurate
Van is light goods vehicle with commercial registration so max legal speed is 50mph, 😢
Well, a grey area because car-derived vans can do 60 as stated, but also car derived vans dual purpose limit is 50. Depends on the vans use, hence grey area.
If you have a full license, for the cost of this Peugeot you could get a Royal Enfield 350 Hunter which are way nicer to ride
I never knew Peugeot made bikes! 😂
Peugeot have made bikes for years!
First actual bike in 26 years, see my previous review on this bike