@@novacounciloutsdrs4770 Yeap. I just turned 43 y/o. But still playing video games and breaking the speed limits in my corvette and s1k. Still feel like I'm 30 y/o. I'm thinking 50 is when I start going down hill.
@@Bailey-k2j age is your state of mind, not how long you have been alive. Some people throw in the towel at 30 and let themselves go. Others live young til they're in their 80s.
Dude on Friday i purchased a brand new 2024 husqvarna svartpilion 401 right off the show room floor for £4300. Its perfectly acceptable price. You honestly can't complain about that.
Higher prices on bikes 600 and up. It makes sense to me being 33... The next generation is interested in bike they're just too stupid to learn how to drive anything let alone ride a motorcycle... Someone can't do it for them...
I have an electric bike. I can tell you, hands down, gas is still king. They don't even compare. It's cold as hell here in Canada. Noticeable drop in speed and range.
...and second hand value. And battery capacity. And desirability. And government subsidies. And electrical costs. And dealership support. And charging infrastructure.
@@OutlawCaliber13 Said everyone, every year. And yet, it's based in hopes and dreams, not science. I'd love to build a winter cabin on the surface of Neptune, but the technology just isn't there yet.
@@exothermal.sprocket Well, I own one, and I'm saying it. Many people say it. It's mostly corps and gov trying to force this crap with tech that isn't ready and aging infrastructure that can't sustain it. Not even getting into the mines, energy, etc. Not sure why you're barking at me because it seems we're in agreement. Unless I'm misreading your comments. Electric is NOT the thing right now. Gas is still king. Carbon fuels provide more energy that "green" energies do, and batteries are at the stage of tech ability to actually make it the thing right now. My bike is fun, and cheap as hell for commuting. That's about it.
It’s not just that, 1000+ cc bikes simply don’t make sense for most riders. Most people don’t buy bikes to ride at 150+ mph. They want to feel the open air, connect with their surroundings, and watch the world go by. Bikes are also ideal for exploring off-road routes that are difficult or impossible on 4 wheels. You don’t need 150 hp to go off-road. The point is that all that extra power is useless in almost all situations. It only makes the bike heavier and increases the potential for dangerous mistakes. Any experienced rider will tell you that a bike with sufficient power that you can manhandle, is the best weapon for an adventure. Manufacturers are starting to realize this, they’re moving away from large, heavy, cumbersome bikes and are making more bikes that are light, nimble and rugged, that can be used in a variety of situations.
@joeplem5329: Nobody has to have at least 200 hp. But 50hp is about the minimum to be able to have fun and keep up with traffic in the U.S. The problem with a lot of cheap Asian bikes is they have way less. They are designed for putting around congested roads with a family of seven or a box full of live chickens on the back. Not experiencing the thrill of the wide open roads like we have here.
Hey Kawasaki. Put same sized solid cast rims and tubeless street tires on a KLR650 and set it up like a Motard bike. Add in dual front discs and steel lines while you are at it. And install a display worthy looking at on it. You can keep all the ride modes. Commuter heaven.
9:49 I don't think $20k electric motorcycles can even really compete with $10k normal bikes, never mind the similarly priced ones. I hope to see an end to subscription fees for turning on your heated grips
In my opinion, k t m did this to themselves. If they stood behind their products, this wouldn't have happened. But as it stands, they charge too much for their motorcycles. And then when there's a warranty claim, they either don't have a fix for it, or they just don't honor their warranty in general. (Foggy TFT display, cam shaft) You reap what you sow. They did it to themselves.
@@rythm6593 an Indian company owns 49.9% of the ktm stock. So this could be a big opportunity for then to basically get ownership of the company by making a deal ktm to bail them out for some more stock.
Wow you are really throwing them under the bus 8:24. Just because you don't like the way KTM's look doesn't mean that your opinion is shared by everyone else. I personally think they look awesome and I had a Duke 390 which was a great looking machine and my GF loved it too. They also charge a premium for their dirt bikes and road bikes because they are premium. I have seen many group tests where the KTM is at or near the top of the pack. I do agree that the way that KTM handled the cam shaft debacle was terrible and reduced confidence in them significantly. Also the subscription thing is an absolute joke. Same as BMW trying to charge a subscription for heated seats. It's corporate greed and whoever approved that should be fired immediately. I do however hope that KTM survives because they make awesome motorcycles. The Duke 990 R, 1290 Super Duke are two of the coolest and meanest naked bikes on the market. It's a real shame. I hope VW Audi group (VAG) or some big player like that comes along and buys them out so that they can get back on their feet and keep making great bikes. Also if VAG buy them, then they will sort out the reliability etc as they have been doing since they bought Ducati back in 2012. C'mon KTM! Fight for your life!!!
Great summary! For me, satisfied with my two bike stable. As I get overwhelmed by the vast number of new and ever changing bikes, kind of forces me to focus on what I own, and work to improve my skills and plan new adventures! Rhanks Yamm!
I hope electrical compressors are the new hotness and forces all the categories to be redefined. An MT 07 SP with an EC keeping 40mpgs but gaining 40 HP and giving NA 900-1000cc bikes a run for their money would be sublime
@Automatic313 electrical compressor, not electric motor. The compressor may add this much weight as an extra part, but it shouldn't need batteries in addition. Can't wait for actual specs to be released, I was guessing with the 40 HP gain. Might actually offer more torque instead
I really love the fact that small displacements are coming back in motorcycling. Debates on electric vehicles aside, it's a fact that we need a new perspective on engines in which we can "buy the power that we need".
Im actually hoping for a zx7.. because they made it in the past.. way before I got into motorcycles. That's what I like right now.. I'm LOVING the bikes from the 90s...
A small crossplane twin that can make 47 ponys, mounted on a small adventure bike frame that weighs in at 182 kg wet, with a 19 liter gas tank would be a bike I would buy tomorrow.
I looked at the KTM, then found out that the KTM charges a subscription for their software packages, as BMW does. I went literally across the street to purchase the Yamaha Tenere 700. I feel like I am one of many potential customers lost. Stupid decision by the manufacturer.
I'm not a rider, nor do I own a bike, but I had to subscribe today. This channel is realistic. May be when I had saved enough to buy a bike, I'll be well suited for a choice🙏🏿
Just never forget that the old original ADV Riders 50-70 yr old dudes over at ADV Rider forums hate you, hate that you think that your baby adventure bike can go anywhere that their highly modified DR650 can and will gatekeep the shit out of you.
I'm very much so in the "back-to-basic" clan. Motorcycle should be simple and serviceable by the owner without advanced specialised tools. There is too much electronics in modern machine and I don't care for it. I don't want my bike to be a computer on wheels.
3:05 - 3:57 Can someone explain this to me? Because all I heard, was what has been going on since the 1990's....... Where companies for thirty years have been building powerful bikes that have, "...a lot of track performance, but a little bit of on-road capabilities as well." Thank you.
KTM should have just stuck to their bread and butter - 690cc and down dirt bikes and dual sports. Though these smaller displacement bikes always flew out the door, they put our KTM dealership completely out of business a few years back by insisting that he stock all sorts of brutally expensive, extra-large displacement adventure and road bikes that he couldn't sell nor afford to keep. As a matter of fact, I can count the number of 800cc and larger KTM's I have ever seen in my area on two hands, and most of those were just passing through.
890's sell like crazy where I live. Dealer couldn't get enough of them. Even the 890 Rally, they had people begging for them, and one owner sold his almost new one for $15,000 more than retail.
@@jayd3931 Then it absolutely makes zero sense that KTM would put my dealer out of business over it when they could sell all the stinking things they could make somewhere else.
8:25 Isn’t the svartpilen 401 motor made by KTM, which you heavily advocated for as one of the best beginner motorcycles? And u put the Duke 390 up pretty high on your tier list.
I bought a brand new 2021 Duke 390. I had problems with the fuel filter, computer, and corrosion. The bike is a great little bike. Strong peppy engine.
KTM gave us some great bikes and hopefully will give us more great bikes. Most of keyboard warriors screaming about cams do not even own KTM. In reality, some 0.5% of them had issues, which KTM will cover by goodwill. I owned plenty of bikes, KTM included and they are not less reliable then any other brand. Pitty that is just popular to shit over brand that brought so much good to motorcycle world. Different bikes, unique bikes. I strongly think that we as bikers, have better options with KTM then without KTM.
I’ve owned 4 KTM’s over the years and they all had issues. Some minor, some serious safety issues and one, a MAJOR catastrophic engine failure. But here’s the thing, every one of them had problems. In between owning the KTMs, I owned numerous Honda CR 2 strokes and every one of those were flawless. No unusual failures, no DNFs, no catastrophic motor failures, no brake failures, nothing. KTM is getting exactly what it deserves, due to decades of producing poor quality bikes.
I have 4 KTMs now and they are all great. Super fun and so far super reliable. Bummer that there are folks that have had bad experiences with them; I would feel the same way if I had the same experiences. I hope they get it together because I think they make some of the best trail and adv bikes in existence.
@ I think that the loudest bashing is coming from non KTM owners. It’s like they are so happy to have something bad to write about KTM since some reviewers said that KTM is more fun then the bike they own. I currently also own 2 KTMs, one of them is 790 Duke, both with no issues at all. In this time for KTM, I think that is good also to hear voices of people that own and are happy with KTM. And that is a lots of people.
Rubbish. KTMs are a lot more unreliable as anything that comes out of Japan. Same with any European or American marque. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they were reliable.....but they're not.
@@Jungleland33 sorry if I am wrong, but this looks just as an opinion of someone who never owned a KTM. And you are perfectly entitled to have one and to purchase only bikes that are from Japan. But if you do not own a KTM you can’t just go arround and call them unreliable. Makes no sense.
Speaking of the dual sport and baby adventure boom (as well as the unfortunate ktm situation): I would love an update to the ktm690/husqvarna701/gasgas700 enduro. For example LED lights and maybe a display that isn't an LCD watch from 1992 would be nice. Kind of wild that they charge over 12k for the current version, and yes I know "unicorn" and all...
Great "state of the moto" update. I would say you overlook with KTM what you mentioned earlier on, that they started the whole baby ADV trend with the (awesome, fun, well-priced) 390A. They are trying new things. I think reliability must have been a key issue in their financial outlook, people don't want to stare at unpredictable maintenance costs investing in a new bike right now
I'm kinda looking forward to baby adventure bikes to be honest :D Assuming their size is somewhat represented in their MSRP's it woud be ideal for shorter riders (I'm only 5'7) that live in places where adventure opportunities are limited (the Netherlands simply doesn't have a lot of nature that is available to ride through) and require quite the long drive to get somewhere remotely challenging. Until now I was considering a Scram 411 (even though it'll take another 5-6 months before I'll be able to start lessons for my license 😂) so having more choice is only a good thing imo.
The baby adventure bike segment is much larger than a few bikes. Honda cb500x, kawasaki versys x300, royal enfield himalayan 411 and now the 450, and the bmw g310gs can all be added to the list. I will say that only a few of those bikes can measure up to the 390 adventure. The Versys x 300 is just as light but doesn't have very good torque. The honda has been great ever since they fitted a 19inch front although a bit on the heavy side. I will say for myself lightness is way better than power, especially for off road work. You can break traction with 20hp so a 500lb adventure bike with 100hp isn't any better than a 385 lbs bike with 40hp. Or maybe I am just an old man who doesn't want to lift a heavy bike if I have a mishap on the trail.
GSX-R750 - There is a reason all the dealers around me sell out of em early every year. Great platform, good power with that "great analog feel". Now they might change to fly-by-wire to race in Supersport out of the box. Too much bloat on new bikes. Feels like the truck market and adding all this stuff to justify higher prices.
I know it's an Asia Pacific model, but there's the Suzuki V-strom 250SX as well not really a new model for 2025, but they've dropped the orange and replaced it with red... Yellow and black still in production from the model release in 2023. it is kind of slow on the open road, and the ABS can't be turned off. the MRF tyre fitted from factory are the worst tyres ever produced and are quite literally DANGEROUS and need replacing with something else before the bike leaves the dealership (even the Shinko 705 makes these things feel terrible) But it's still a reasonably good bike if you can overlook what's missing
last summer I did test drive this "adventure bike"... Now, I have driven Gold Wing couple of times.. which is meant for the road. And is excellent, if you do not want to drive a car. But yeah... the said "adventure bike" really did not make me feel like testing it fast on gravel and with the "adventure" tires, not so much fun on the road either. And.. if you driving an adventure bike, why do you need so much luggage? Because if you can afford a ~30k € bike, drive light.
There are many reasons why KTM’s are not selling. One of them is that potential customers are starting to realise that they are being asked to pay European Prices for Indian and Chinese products.
Good vid so i subscribed.I am 62 and own a Beta 300rr and a Africa Twin.The AT will be sold this spring and going to a DS bike.I hope KTM makes it as i have owned 4 of there 2 strokes and all were good bikes.I switched to Beta because of there totally awesome warranty.
It saddens me that my r1 and the r9 are tossed in the same category. I loved the r6 and haven't seen what the r9 is capable of, but it feels strange to claim it's a supersport. I'm cool with it if you drop the "super."
The bike I want doesn't exist. But I can build it pretty easy. I didn't do ANY research before I bought my first bike. Big mistake. Got an 03 Katana 750. Way too heavy. Too much power. I did a TON of research before I bought my second bike- and loved it. Rode my klx250 sf everyday for 5 years straight. Always planned on going back to a sport, but had back surgery and knee surgery between when I sold the klx and now. So... I'm in the market for a sport(y)bike. Not necessarily a "sport-bike." My biggest complaint about the klx was highway driving SUCKED. It could do it... I used it commute and hour to- and an hour home from work everyday for 5 years. But the wind was annoying AF, and I got blown around way too much. So I want a fully faired bike with a windscreen. And with my back and knee problems, a more relaxed upright riding position. All this to say, I want an MT-07, BUT I want it fully faired with a windscreen. Which is an R7. BUT with risers, a handlebar, and a less aggressive foot peg position. Either bike can be used as the base for this project, but I feel like swapping out the clip-ons and footpegs on the r7 would be easier than trying to attach all the fairings and headlights from an r7 on an MT. Now I know I'm gonna piss a lot of people off putting straight bars, risers, and mt foot pegs on my R7, because those are all "dad bike" qualities that I'm putting on a "sport bike." But I'd argue the r7 is really an everyday street bike (an MT-07) COSPLAYING as a sport bike to begin with. So really, I'm just taking the mask off a bit, and letting it be who it really is- an MT-07 with plastics and a visor. Tell me why I'm crazy, or that I should just get a ninja650 and call it a day. 👇
To be fair I think all motorcycle makers are gonna be having trouble moving forward unless they start making smaller and cheaper bikes. You really can't use the power of anything bigger than a 600cc on roads.
The problem with ALL 300 to 500cc bikes of ALL manufactures, adhere to the stupid A2 license that makes them heavy and underweight. Caps = we forget that somehow 10% of buyers define the whole category.
I love the color scheme on the KTMs but I would never own one as I've heard nothing but bad stories about their reliability... I own three Suzukis and a Honda... I'm big into reliability 😂
Dear Yam, while I do agree with most of what you said, I think the electric motorcycles future is just beginning. When the first cars came out, no one thought they would replace the horse or the steam driven trains. Electric motorcycles are in their "Model T' Ford stage of development, and are just waiting for that new technology that will make them cheaper and more efficient. Remember, when cars first came out, they were considered "Rich Men's Toys" . Now everyone has one.
KTM has great chassis and design. The only thing that stands between me ever buying a KTM is their colors. I just don't want such bright orange. I means I haven't seen any other manufacturer that makes motorcycles with such high power to weight ratios.
Dual sport and adventure is a way back for us old people. Love my sport bikes but it is like a suicide mission now days. Even riding within the legal limits everyone calls the cops and complains. Neighbors moved here to little town in the middle of nowhere from California so now I can’t even start it in the garage without cops doing a wellness visit. So I bought a kx 450f to make some real noise with. I have really enjoyed going back to the dirt. Easy to pickup when I drop it. Gives me a great workout and the adrenaline is awesome. Feel like a kid agin and no cops on the farm!! Back in the day I would just ride it from town to the track or the farm but those days are over. Thanks to all the Karen’s.
And even still, some KTM owners will spend DAYYYYYYYYYS arguing over social media about the fact the camshaft issue is minimal or non existent, and KTM is a great brand, no trouble happening.
Very much agree about the small adventure bikes. They are not, nor are they for, babies however. I'm a returning rider (from a beloved 1982 UJM) who wanted a 'bike that can do everything, but needn't be high powered, heavy or expensive. My 2023 KTM Adventure is all that.
For sure the mini Tenere would be sick. Honda maybe will want to answer to that and the new Kawasaki bike by using their 500 twin that they ALREADY HAVE THE MOTOR FOR and make a smaller displacement Africa Twin with that motor
Smaller, fewer cylinders, forced induction is exactly what car manufacturers did before giving in to EV pressure from governments. This is a rearguard action, stalling for time, hoping that recent US politics can kill regulations here, Canada, Japan, and maybe even Europe.
The world is changing. KTM and Nissan are likely heading to the wall. Stellantis could sink unless something drastic happens which includes Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep. For the big 4 from Japan only Honda is in a solid position now that they are balancing up to date tech/performance for bargain pricing : hornets & transalp for instance. Otherwise I wonder if VAG will snap up KTM which may be there only hope now? Wonder what is in store for HD too?
What a lot of people keep forgetting (or not wanting to hear) is that these electric bikes at the moment are still a very specific thing. Mostly commuters or limited range fun bikes. They are amazing to ride and especially with second hand prices coming down they make great economic sense as a commuter. They are not a replacement for your long range bike. Or if you want just one "do it all" bike. Stop freaking out about these bikes like they are coming to steal your ICE bike or your grandmother.
Doubt, doesnt have enough oil capacity or long enough oil change intervals for high mileage. They should put the cb500x engine in the chassis and add a windshield 😅
@@Threedogsinatrenchcoatdude been saying this for so long was glad to read this comment. They have had that motor! Would be perfect for that long distance low service interval bike we’ve been waiting for from Honda. I really don’t get it
Cane themselves while riding with nothing more than an orange Speedo on. Insisting that the oil blowing out the pipes is normal. KTM owners believe a rebuild every 25-50 hours is reasonable. When the Yamaha has its first valve lash check, and it's fine. The KTM owner finds out his engine is Fubar'd.
Putting your electronics packages behind a paywall is the dumbest thing ever.
This
Yep. I remember when zero did that. That’s as far as I looked into one! Lol
Don't forget you've already bought the hardware.
Agreed, but better than not having cruise controll with throttle by wire like new T7 thats just dumb
You know what’s even more dumb? Thinking that they keep their electronics behind a paywall and not understanding how the process actually works.
Careful youngster, mid-40’s sneaks up on you REAL quick. 😂
33 like oh shit 40 is around the corner. 😢
@@novacounciloutsdrs4770 - sooner than you think
@@novacounciloutsdrs4770 Yeap. I just turned 43 y/o. But still playing video games and breaking the speed limits in my corvette and s1k. Still feel like I'm 30 y/o. I'm thinking 50 is when I start going down hill.
@@Bailey-k2j age is your state of mind, not how long you have been alive. Some people throw in the towel at 30 and let themselves go. Others live young til they're in their 80s.
He's already wearing a hat ALL THE TIME to cover his receding hairline
Subscription fees are evil, people need to stop buying them to change the tide of manufacturers. Car makers are doing this same crap.
Very few people can afford the new higher prices of motorcycles in general. In addition, the only one who wants an electric motorcycle is Trudeau.
There needs to be consolidation in the motorcycle market - there are too many brands
fewer manufacturers, higher volume, lower prices
Dude on Friday i purchased a brand new 2024 husqvarna svartpilion 401 right off the show room floor for £4300. Its perfectly acceptable price. You honestly can't complain about that.
Higher prices on bikes 600 and up. It makes sense to me being 33... The next generation is interested in bike they're just too stupid to learn how to drive anything let alone ride a motorcycle... Someone can't do it for them...
I hate to say it that way too.
@@deeper1345you do realise competition is what lowers prices if there’s only one guy selling something he decides the price
I have an electric bike. I can tell you, hands down, gas is still king. They don't even compare. It's cold as hell here in Canada. Noticeable drop in speed and range.
...and second hand value. And battery capacity. And desirability. And government subsidies. And electrical costs. And dealership support. And charging infrastructure.
@@exothermal.sprocket Tech just ain't there yet. We're headed there, but not yet.
@@OutlawCaliber13 Said everyone, every year. And yet, it's based in hopes and dreams, not science.
I'd love to build a winter cabin on the surface of Neptune, but the technology just isn't there yet.
@@exothermal.sprocket Well, I own one, and I'm saying it. Many people say it. It's mostly corps and gov trying to force this crap with tech that isn't ready and aging infrastructure that can't sustain it. Not even getting into the mines, energy, etc. Not sure why you're barking at me because it seems we're in agreement. Unless I'm misreading your comments. Electric is NOT the thing right now. Gas is still king. Carbon fuels provide more energy that "green" energies do, and batteries are at the stage of tech ability to actually make it the thing right now. My bike is fun, and cheap as hell for commuting. That's about it.
Small displacement is becoming popular because the Asian market has more disposable income than ever before
Only here in the states everyone has to have 200hp or it's not worth riding. Personally my 125hp 2020 z900 is plenty for me!!!
It’s not just that, 1000+ cc bikes simply don’t make sense for most riders. Most people don’t buy bikes to ride at 150+ mph. They want to feel the open air, connect with their surroundings, and watch the world go by. Bikes are also ideal for exploring off-road routes that are difficult or impossible on 4 wheels. You don’t need 150 hp to go off-road.
The point is that all that extra power is useless in almost all situations. It only makes the bike heavier and increases the potential for dangerous mistakes. Any experienced rider will tell you that a bike with sufficient power that you can manhandle, is the best weapon for an adventure. Manufacturers are starting to realize this, they’re moving away from large, heavy, cumbersome bikes and are making more bikes that are light, nimble and rugged, that can be used in a variety of situations.
@@joeplem5329 900 is way too big.
You're still being influenced by Americans it seems.
no not disposable income. we spend exactly for what we want. it should be value for money. small displacement around 400cc fits in
@joeplem5329: Nobody has to have at least 200 hp. But 50hp is about the minimum to be able to have fun and keep up with traffic in the U.S. The problem with a lot of cheap Asian bikes is they have way less. They are designed for putting around congested roads with a family of seven or a box full of live chickens on the back. Not experiencing the thrill of the wide open roads like we have here.
Hey Kawasaki. Put same sized solid cast rims and tubeless street tires on a KLR650 and set it up like a Motard bike. Add in dual front discs and steel lines while you are at it. And install a display worthy looking at on it. You can keep all the ride modes. Commuter heaven.
😅,, why don't you just build one yourself.. You know for a fact Kawi isn't.
Be the innovator🤌.
Yoooo, you may be onto something here… stiffer springs and a smaller tank while they’re at it too!
9:49 I don't think $20k electric motorcycles can even really compete with $10k normal bikes, never mind the similarly priced ones. I hope to see an end to subscription fees for turning on your heated grips
In my opinion, k t m did this to themselves. If they stood behind their products, this wouldn't have happened. But as it stands, they charge too much for their motorcycles. And then when there's a warranty claim, they either don't have a fix for it, or they just don't honor their warranty in general. (Foggy TFT display, cam shaft) You reap what you sow. They did it to themselves.
You forgot some Yammie: Yamaha's CP2 engine & other components are shared by 5 bikes--> 🏍
R7, MT07, Tenere 700, Tracer 700, & XSR700.
Love the cp2
I doubt KTM is gonna go out of business because bajaj will bail them out for majority ownership
What's bajaj
Highly likely that will happen
@@rythm6593 an Indian company owns 49.9% of the ktm stock. So this could be a big opportunity for then to basically get ownership of the company by making a deal ktm to bail them out for some more stock.
@@rythm6593 They manufacture more bikes than Honda !
And have a small share in KTM, but manufacture all of entry level KTM's for Asian Market.
Bajaj manufactures 390 lineup for KTM, 401 for Husky, Triumph 400s
Still waiting for Yamaha to put forward a bike in the "baby adventure" category or an updated WR. Come on Yamaha...
A 400, 450 or twin cylinder 500 should do the trick. KEEP the weight down. (I am shopping right now)
Yeap, me too bro..😅
nx 500 from Honda. it's a Honda
Wow you are really throwing them under the bus 8:24. Just because you don't like the way KTM's look doesn't mean that your opinion is shared by everyone else. I personally think they look awesome and I had a Duke 390 which was a great looking machine and my GF loved it too. They also charge a premium for their dirt bikes and road bikes because they are premium. I have seen many group tests where the KTM is at or near the top of the pack. I do agree that the way that KTM handled the cam shaft debacle was terrible and reduced confidence in them significantly. Also the subscription thing is an absolute joke. Same as BMW trying to charge a subscription for heated seats. It's corporate greed and whoever approved that should be fired immediately. I do however hope that KTM survives because they make awesome motorcycles. The Duke 990 R, 1290 Super Duke are two of the coolest and meanest naked bikes on the market. It's a real shame. I hope VW Audi group (VAG) or some big player like that comes along and buys them out so that they can get back on their feet and keep making great bikes. Also if VAG buy them, then they will sort out the reliability etc as they have been doing since they bought Ducati back in 2012. C'mon KTM! Fight for your life!!!
Great summary! For me, satisfied with my two bike stable. As I get overwhelmed by the vast number of new and ever changing bikes, kind of forces me to focus on what I own, and work to improve my skills and plan new adventures! Rhanks Yamm!
On top of the motorcycles, the closing of these reviews..😂Yammie my good sir, these endings man! Thank you for your work bossman.
That psychedelic ending was weird, Yammy. Like, it was transporting, and I was scared and wanted my mom. Luckily it didn’t last long… .
I'll stick to 90s bikes with no rider aids.
Also less weathering.
The rider aids 😳
I hope electrical compressors are the new hotness and forces all the categories to be redefined. An MT 07 SP with an EC keeping 40mpgs but gaining 40 HP and giving NA 900-1000cc bikes a run for their money would be sublime
It is also plus 40 lb for the batteries
@Automatic313 electrical compressor, not electric motor. The compressor may add this much weight as an extra part, but it shouldn't need batteries in addition. Can't wait for actual specs to be released, I was guessing with the 40 HP gain. Might actually offer more torque instead
I really love the fact that small displacements are coming back in motorcycling. Debates on electric vehicles aside, it's a fact that we need a new perspective on engines in which we can "buy the power that we need".
I wish yamaha would make a modern XT 600.
The 700 lol
@@PrivatePrivate-sw2qk the 700 is 60kg heavier
me & you both
Im actually hoping for a zx7.. because they made it in the past.. way before I got into motorcycles. That's what I like right now.. I'm LOVING the bikes from the 90s...
A small crossplane twin that can make 47 ponys, mounted on a small adventure bike frame that weighs in at 182 kg wet, with a 19 liter gas tank would be a bike I would buy tomorrow.
Sounds like the returning kle500
what was so outrageous about a 2 cylinder motor firing every 180 degrees? Yamaha RD's ? Honda Hawk 647 ? BMWs? awesome bikes, loved the sound.
Yamaha TT 500? TT 350?
There must be a lot of people late 30s who just want something small to have fun on
I am 68 and would love to have my Yamaha RT 360 Enduro back. Like having a street legal Husqvarna, with lights
You got your point across but the DRC is more known for artisanal mining of cobalt, not lithium. I can't really weigh in on motorcycles though.
I looked at the KTM, then found out that the KTM charges a subscription for their software packages, as BMW does. I went literally across the street to purchase the Yamaha Tenere 700. I feel like I am one of many potential customers lost. Stupid decision by the manufacturer.
I'm not a rider, nor do I own a bike, but I had to subscribe today. This channel is realistic. May be when I had saved enough to buy a bike, I'll be well suited for a choice🙏🏿
Just never forget that the old original ADV Riders 50-70 yr old dudes over at ADV Rider forums hate you, hate that you think that your baby adventure bike can go anywhere that their highly modified DR650 can and will gatekeep the shit out of you.
Nonsense, as the owner of a real adventure bike, I'm thrilled that they're now making adventure bikes for ladies and will welcome them to the trails.
I'm very much so in the "back-to-basic" clan. Motorcycle should be simple and serviceable by the owner without advanced specialised tools. There is too much electronics in modern machine and I don't care for it. I don't want my bike to be a computer on wheels.
I really don’t like the fact that you didn’t mention the himi 411, though not the best she was the actual reason this segment of baby adv exploded
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Can someone explain this to me? Because all I heard, was what has been going on since the 1990's....... Where companies for thirty years have been building powerful bikes that have, "...a lot of track performance, but a little bit of on-road capabilities as well." Thank you.
KTM should have just stuck to their bread and butter - 690cc and down dirt bikes and dual sports. Though these smaller displacement bikes always flew out the door, they put our KTM dealership completely out of business a few years back by insisting that he stock all sorts of brutally expensive, extra-large displacement adventure and road bikes that he couldn't sell nor afford to keep. As a matter of fact, I can count the number of 800cc and larger KTM's I have ever seen in my area on two hands, and most of those were just passing through.
890's sell like crazy where I live. Dealer couldn't get enough of them. Even the 890 Rally, they had people begging for them, and one owner sold his almost new one for $15,000 more than retail.
@@jayd3931 Then it absolutely makes zero sense that KTM would put my dealer out of business over it when they could sell all the stinking things they could make somewhere else.
So should I not start on a KTM 390 Duke anymore?
8:25 Isn’t the svartpilen 401 motor made by KTM, which you heavily advocated for as one of the best beginner motorcycles? And u put the Duke 390 up pretty high on your tier list.
thanks Captain hindsight... your perspective is invaluable 🧐
I bought a brand new 2021 Duke 390. I had problems with the fuel filter, computer, and corrosion.
The bike is a great little bike. Strong peppy engine.
Another video where you are spot on Papa Yam 🎉
9:00 V3 with an electrically driven turbo...
I literally just spit on my desk in shock.
the turbo is just for low RPMs to, increase power. A 750, as narrow as a twin? I love it
KTM gave us some great bikes and hopefully will give us more great bikes.
Most of keyboard warriors screaming about cams do not even own KTM. In reality, some 0.5% of them had issues, which KTM will cover by goodwill.
I owned plenty of bikes, KTM included and they are not less reliable then any other brand.
Pitty that is just popular to shit over brand that brought so much good to motorcycle world. Different bikes, unique bikes.
I strongly think that we as bikers, have better options with KTM then without KTM.
I’ve owned 4 KTM’s over the years and they all had issues. Some minor, some serious safety issues and one, a MAJOR catastrophic engine failure. But here’s the thing, every one of them had problems. In between owning the KTMs, I owned numerous Honda CR 2 strokes and every one of those were flawless. No unusual failures, no DNFs, no catastrophic motor failures, no brake failures, nothing.
KTM is getting exactly what it deserves, due to decades of producing poor quality bikes.
I have 4 KTMs now and they are all great. Super fun and so far super reliable. Bummer that there are folks that have had bad experiences with them; I would feel the same way if I had the same experiences. I hope they get it together because I think they make some of the best trail and adv bikes in existence.
@ I think that the loudest bashing is coming from non KTM owners.
It’s like they are so happy to have something bad to write about KTM since some reviewers said that KTM is more fun then the bike they own.
I currently also own 2 KTMs, one of them is 790 Duke, both with no issues at all.
In this time for KTM, I think that is good also to hear voices of people that own and are happy with KTM. And that is a lots of people.
Rubbish. KTMs are a lot more unreliable as anything that comes out of Japan. Same with any European or American marque. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they were reliable.....but they're not.
@@Jungleland33 sorry if I am wrong, but this looks just as an opinion of someone who never owned a KTM.
And you are perfectly entitled to have one and to purchase only bikes that are from Japan.
But if you do not own a KTM you can’t just go arround and call them unreliable. Makes no sense.
Speaking of the dual sport and baby adventure boom (as well as the unfortunate ktm situation): I would love an update to the ktm690/husqvarna701/gasgas700 enduro. For example LED lights and maybe a display that isn't an LCD watch from 1992 would be nice. Kind of wild that they charge over 12k for the current version, and yes I know "unicorn" and all...
Great "state of the moto" update. I would say you overlook with KTM what you mentioned earlier on, that they started the whole baby ADV trend with the (awesome, fun, well-priced) 390A. They are trying new things. I think reliability must have been a key issue in their financial outlook, people don't want to stare at unpredictable maintenance costs investing in a new bike right now
I'm kinda looking forward to baby adventure bikes to be honest :D Assuming their size is somewhat represented in their MSRP's it woud be ideal for shorter riders (I'm only 5'7) that live in places where adventure opportunities are limited (the Netherlands simply doesn't have a lot of nature that is available to ride through) and require quite the long drive to get somewhere remotely challenging. Until now I was considering a Scram 411 (even though it'll take another 5-6 months before I'll be able to start lessons for my license 😂) so having more choice is only a good thing imo.
The baby adventure bike segment is much larger than a few bikes. Honda cb500x, kawasaki versys x300, royal enfield himalayan 411 and now the 450, and the bmw g310gs can all be added to the list. I will say that only a few of those bikes can measure up to the 390 adventure. The Versys x 300 is just as light but doesn't have very good torque. The honda has been great ever since they fitted a 19inch front although a bit on the heavy side. I will say for myself lightness is way better than power, especially for off road work. You can break traction with 20hp so a 500lb adventure bike with 100hp isn't any better than a 385 lbs bike with 40hp. Or maybe I am just an old man who doesn't want to lift a heavy bike if I have a mishap on the trail.
Battery chemistry is not ready for bikes yet, give it another 5-8y, boils down to power density per Kg to $$. Torque is insane though.
GSX-R750 - There is a reason all the dealers around me sell out of em early every year. Great platform, good power with that "great analog feel". Now they might change to fly-by-wire to race in Supersport out of the box.
Too much bloat on new bikes. Feels like the truck market and adding all this stuff to justify higher prices.
My nearest dealer already has 2 2025 gsxr 750's. $13k plus fees.
That’s the next bike I’m thinking about getting, that or a zx6, or r9
Simplicity is beauty. Kawasaki W800, Royal Enfield Int650, Moto Guzzi V7. How about a small belt drive supercharger instead of the turbo?
I know it's an Asia Pacific model, but there's the Suzuki V-strom 250SX as well not really a new model for 2025, but they've dropped the orange and replaced it with red... Yellow and black still in production from the model release in 2023. it is kind of slow on the open road, and the ABS can't be turned off. the MRF tyre fitted from factory are the worst tyres ever produced and are quite literally DANGEROUS and need replacing with something else before the bike leaves the dealership (even the Shinko 705 makes these things feel terrible)
But it's still a reasonably good bike if you can overlook what's missing
9:03 you just broke my heart. I’d buy it if it used a real turbo or supercharger
I hope that the supercharged V3 gets released to production!
So do I need to hurry and buy a 125 Sting, a 640 Duke, and a 1290 Superduke before the prices explode?
I’m really excited about the Kawasaki 500 adv bike coming. Seems like a great size for someone like myself.
last summer I did test drive this "adventure bike"... Now, I have driven Gold Wing couple of times.. which is meant for the road. And is excellent, if you do not want to drive a car. But yeah... the said "adventure bike" really did not make me feel like testing it fast on gravel and with the "adventure" tires, not so much fun on the road either. And.. if you driving an adventure bike, why do you need so much luggage? Because if you can afford a ~30k € bike, drive light.
5:44 uhh sub 10,000 lbs, yammie are you br’ish now
He's referencing the European pricing for the Hornet 1000.
You really hit the reality nail on the head with your description of KTM and it's followers 😊
There are many reasons why KTM’s are not selling. One of them is that potential customers are starting to realise that they are being asked to pay European Prices for Indian and Chinese products.
I’m 6’ bout 250 pounds and grew up riding four wheelers and dirt bikes. What bike would you recommend considering i think a 400 would be too small
I love the Triumph Tiger Rally pro but it has so much tech on it that I'm a bit put off.
Entire motorcycle market is dying, I donno how RE is doing soo great!
Simple cheap bikes!
Amen, back to basics ! 100%. I don’t much care about the extras other than abs maybe.
Good vid so i subscribed.I am 62 and own a Beta 300rr and a Africa Twin.The AT will be sold this spring and going to a DS bike.I hope KTM makes it as i have owned 4 of there 2 strokes and all were good bikes.I switched to Beta because of there totally awesome warranty.
Love the vids man
As a BMW GS 1200 owner, I’m pretty excited about the new F450 GS. Looks awesome. A smaller and lighter GS? I’m all in!
You guys complain about KTMs being expensive. Wait until the Ducati MSRP is released.
It saddens me that my r1 and the r9 are tossed in the same category. I loved the r6 and haven't seen what the r9 is capable of, but it feels strange to claim it's a supersport. I'm cool with it if you drop the "super."
2:12 bring back the 2 strokes.
The bike I want doesn't exist. But I can build it pretty easy.
I didn't do ANY research before I bought my first bike. Big mistake. Got an 03 Katana 750. Way too heavy. Too much power. I did a TON of research before I bought my second bike- and loved it. Rode my klx250 sf everyday for 5 years straight. Always planned on going back to a sport, but had back surgery and knee surgery between when I sold the klx and now. So...
I'm in the market for a sport(y)bike. Not necessarily a "sport-bike." My biggest complaint about the klx was highway driving SUCKED. It could do it... I used it commute and hour to- and an hour home from work everyday for 5 years. But the wind was annoying AF, and I got blown around way too much. So I want a fully faired bike with a windscreen. And with my back and knee problems, a more relaxed upright riding position.
All this to say, I want an MT-07, BUT I want it fully faired with a windscreen. Which is an R7. BUT with risers, a handlebar, and a less aggressive foot peg position. Either bike can be used as the base for this project, but I feel like swapping out the clip-ons and footpegs on the r7 would be easier than trying to attach all the fairings and headlights from an r7 on an MT.
Now I know I'm gonna piss a lot of people off putting straight bars, risers, and mt foot pegs on my R7, because those are all "dad bike" qualities that I'm putting on a "sport bike." But I'd argue the r7 is really an everyday street bike (an MT-07) COSPLAYING as a sport bike to begin with. So really, I'm just taking the mask off a bit, and letting it be who it really is- an MT-07 with plastics and a visor. Tell me why I'm crazy, or that I should just get a ninja650 and call it a day. 👇
To be fair I think all motorcycle makers are gonna be having trouble moving forward unless they start making smaller and cheaper bikes. You really can't use the power of anything bigger than a 600cc on roads.
The problem with ALL 300 to 500cc bikes of ALL manufactures, adhere to the stupid A2 license that makes them heavy and underweight. Caps = we forget that somehow 10% of buyers define the whole category.
ps. all non race oriented, with logical.service intervals.
I made the final payment on my 2022 RSV4 today. I won't get another bike a long long while lol.
I love the color scheme on the KTMs but I would never own one as I've heard nothing but bad stories about their reliability... I own three Suzukis and a Honda... I'm big into reliability 😂
Don't forget to add the NX500 in you baby ADV list.
What’s your take on KTM 990 RC R? And when will you do a track ride review on that?
Dear Yam, while I do agree with most of what you said, I think the electric motorcycles future is just beginning. When the first cars came out, no one thought they would replace the horse or the steam driven trains. Electric motorcycles are in their "Model T' Ford stage of development, and are just waiting for that new technology that will make them cheaper and more efficient. Remember, when cars first came out, they were considered "Rich Men's Toys" . Now everyone has one.
I just want all the power and all the speed
I still want a 1290 Superduke R Evo... Doesn't help KTM though - I was never going to buy a new one!
KTM has great chassis and design. The only thing that stands between me ever buying a KTM is their colors. I just don't want such bright orange.
I means I haven't seen any other manufacturer that makes motorcycles with such high power to weight ratios.
Dual sport and adventure is a way back for us old people.
Love my sport bikes but it is like a suicide mission now days. Even riding within the legal limits everyone calls the cops and complains. Neighbors moved here to little town in the middle of nowhere from California so now I can’t even start it in the garage without cops doing a wellness visit. So I bought a kx 450f to make some real noise with.
I have really enjoyed going back to the dirt. Easy to pickup when I drop it. Gives me a great workout and the adrenaline is awesome.
Feel like a kid agin and no cops on the farm!!
Back in the day I would just ride it from town to the track or the farm but those days are over. Thanks to all the Karen’s.
And even still, some KTM owners will spend DAYYYYYYYYYS arguing over social media about the fact the camshaft issue is minimal or non existent, and KTM is a great brand, no trouble happening.
Thy are the ones who did not get a poor quality cam.
Loving my 450 Himalayan right now.
Id rather walk then ride that garbage
@@michaelch6536 LOL, mmmmmmk
Ywah you should really walk, it is good for mental health I heard. Hope you'll be better soon
As an engineer of a JOEM, all I could say about the ride-by-wire from every makers is because of EU regulation of OBD 2.
My KTM is going to be worth dirt if they go bankrupt, getting stock parts will be a nightmare
I agree with most of your thoughts. KTM is reportedly 1.5 Billion Euro in debt. Bajaj owns 48% share in the company.
Very much agree about the small adventure bikes. They are not, nor are they for, babies however. I'm a returning rider (from a beloved 1982 UJM) who wanted a 'bike that can do everything, but needn't be high powered, heavy or expensive. My 2023 KTM Adventure is all that.
Other notable mentions for:
Point #1= Suzuki V-Strom 250SX
Point #2= Suzuki GSX-8R
I hold the biggest hope for Baby Aprilia Tuareg being made same way as the father.
I would love to see the CB750 Hornet in the US. What is the hold up?
Forgot the Himalayan 450 and the new scram 440
You've failed to recognize the Kove 450 which is the new king of adventure bikes, after winning the Baja 1000 this year in the adventure class.
Riders win races, not bikes.
Let's leave the great WR250R in the past and talk some other things into existence like a T3 or a new R4, T4, MT04!!
XT 500 XT 600
with dual starting
For sure the mini Tenere would be sick. Honda maybe will want to answer to that and the new Kawasaki bike by using their 500 twin that they ALREADY HAVE THE MOTOR FOR and make a smaller displacement Africa Twin with that motor
Awesome vid
Smaller, fewer cylinders, forced induction is exactly what car manufacturers did before giving in to EV pressure from governments. This is a rearguard action, stalling for time, hoping that recent US politics can kill regulations here, Canada, Japan, and maybe even Europe.
How did you leave out the new 390 Adventure R just debuted at EICMA in early November?
That being said they might have been a day late and a dollar short on that bike if the company seriously goes under. What a shame
What does this KTM situation mean for the Husqy street bikes? Eek!
The world is changing.
KTM and Nissan are likely heading to the wall. Stellantis could sink unless something drastic happens which includes Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep. For the big 4 from
Japan only Honda is in a solid position now that they are balancing up to date tech/performance for bargain pricing : hornets & transalp for instance. Otherwise I wonder if VAG will snap up KTM which may be there only hope now? Wonder what is in store for HD too?
Can’t wait for that V3 Honda engine !
I am spoiled with the new tech. Every bike should have cruise control.
cruise control is new technology?
Mosta Adventure bike owners dont go off road - its an expensive style thing
What a lot of people keep forgetting (or not wanting to hear) is that these electric bikes at the moment are still a very specific thing. Mostly commuters or limited range fun bikes. They are amazing to ride and especially with second hand prices coming down they make great economic sense as a commuter. They are not a replacement for your long range bike. Or if you want just one "do it all" bike. Stop freaking out about these bikes like they are coming to steal your ICE bike or your grandmother.
Will Honda ever make the 450l in a rally form? I would think that would be a huge seller.
Doubt, doesnt have enough oil capacity or long enough oil change intervals for high mileage. They should put the cb500x engine in the chassis and add a windshield 😅
@@Threedogsinatrenchcoatdude been saying this for so long was glad to read this comment. They have had that motor! Would be perfect for that long distance low service interval bike we’ve been waiting for from Honda. I really don’t get it
Does the Triumph scrambler 400x count as a baby adventure bike?
I watched a video with comments full of hate about you yammy. Didn’t realize that many people disliked you
opinions are like.......... everybody has one
Cane themselves while riding with nothing more than an orange Speedo on. Insisting that the oil blowing out the pipes is normal. KTM owners believe a rebuild every 25-50 hours is reasonable. When the Yamaha has its first valve lash check, and it's fine. The KTM owner finds out his engine is Fubar'd.
I was in the market for a 2024 Husqvarna Vitpillen…. but I’m wondering what will happen to the Husky 401s now 🤷🏻♂️