SIM-3D Pedal Rumble Motors Review | LONG term
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
- When I posted my first impressions video a few weeks ago, you all lost your mind and placed so many orders, that SIM-3D needed to buy more equipment just to keep up with the orders. They STILL have a 4 week wait time right now, despite countless community members already having received their orders.
Now that I've had a chance to do a long term review, do I still feel the same? Are they still worth the £100 / €120 / $130 USD price tag, and do I still feel that no rig is complete without them?
Start: 0:00
1. Introduction: 0:58
2. First impressions: 2:18
3. Price: 3:42
4. Installation - Hardware: 5:07
5. Installation - Software: 7:08
6. How it feels: 8:32
7. Rumble vs Bass: 11:26
8. Final thought: 12:39
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Ordered mine and can't wait to receive them. Calvin of sim 3D has been an absolute pleasure to deal with.
Yeah he takes the time for people which is part of the great service you get for the price
It's nice knowing people out there put in this kind of effort in making hardware for the sim community! Grape review as always!
Thanks man :) cheers for taking the time to comment
I thought it was more of a banana review if am to be honest 😂😂
I purchased this kit right after seeing your initial review. As you say the price to pay is not much compared to other simulator products.
I'm in love since the first experience. In the first few laps it feels a bit strange and it takes a while for the brain to adapt to the feedback we get from the rumble motors, but once we connect... It's amazing how much information we got and was missing before. I've only tried it on the iRacing Porsche CUP yet and what impressed most was the feedback of the lack of traction when exiting corners that is felt in the accelerator pedal... Now I'm more connected to the car than ever and I can control the car with more accuracy and be more consistent in races.
Without a doubt it's a MUST buy!... Thank you :)
Exactly like my experiences. Thanks for sharing!
Great review as always. I really like the point you made how this is basically something you can DIY with some time and skills, but if you don't have those, this is a ready package to install and use, they do say time is money after all, a lot of money in fact.
Thanks man! Yeah it’s important to call out the unique selling points of this product. Plus the service and community that comes with it, which I didn’t mention 😅😅😅
Great review LD! Crazy how such a small product can feed so much info while in sim.
Haha yeah man it’s amazing. Totally worth the price
i love that you do long term review on the product you review it great to see if they hold up to time
Yeah it needs to be done. If I spent just a few hours with a product I wouldn’t get to know it and use it the way a consumer does
Actually been looking to buy these and here you come making a 15 min review. God send!
Hahaha every product, cheaper or more expensive, gets the same review treatment around here :)
Great vid like always Laurence. I hope that they support the Simagic P2000 pedals soon 🤞
Very nice review. I'm definitely going to buy these at some point, because the personal feedback I've heard from you and others I trust is insane. It's the 'smaller' upgrades like this that can make a HUGE difference in your immersion and experience, but without spending too much money.
Yeah I'm glad that there are others who share my views and are vocal, because otherwise everyone might look at me as if i'm completely crazy :p It's a great little upgrade and easy to install :) I'm delighted with it
Went and purchased my own after initial review now just waiting for them to be shipped to Aus thank you for your reviews :)
You’re very welcome mate :) you’ll love them!
Used your link for the power supply thanks for the video. Cant wait to feel the rumble.
Nice ❤️
Really stellar review. You deserve more subscribers. Best review of this prouct.
Cheers! I'm happy with the subs I have. Very high quality subscribers. More subs looks great on paper, but unless they're the type or people who want to learn about hardware, this probably isn't the channel for them :)
I love mine!! True game-changer!! Worth every penny, and worth the wait.
yeah really clever and high impact product
I have these and they're amazing. A very substantial upgrade to a sim rig for the cost.
yep! So difficult to get that message across in a video, but comments like yours give my words some weight! Thanks for commenting. Those who know, know :p
Looks like a great product! Great review!!
Thanks Eric! Yeah I’m delighted with them. They will have a home on my “dream rig” spec list :)
Great review and good perspective from it. Its hard to tell what you feel and express it in words. Sim3d did a great work and a good small design too
Yeah this was a super difficult review. It was difficult to find any flaws with it, really! Thanks for the comment!
thank you for this vid, they are now on my list of things to come... :D
haha yeah they're that type of product. They're totally worth it though but even if you are a doubter, the price isn't too crazy for most sim racing enthusiasts to justify.
Thanks for the review. I am really interested in these. Recently switching from console to PC little things such as adding an e-brake, enabling mods, button boxes and now this, are really awesome. I hope you get the ones for the seat and please get one for the clutch and let us know how they work. Thanks again
Nice! You’ll love them!!! :)
Great review. You're right about the DIY market. It cost me about £25 to make my own and print the parts. But for someone that wants it ready made it's a good kit.
that's awesome! For me the parts would sit in a box forever more :p But it's great to know that the parts are available. Feel free to join my discord and give people a list of parts, they might be interested. discord.gg/PotatoNation
"I'd like to see some nicer packaging"
This is the functional equivalent of saying, "I want to throw away nicer stuff."
Packaging is important. It would be naive to say that it’s not.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I'd rather be naive and pay less than pretentious, and pay more.
One weakness that I can see is where and how the wires connect to the motors. With them being bent back and forth maybe hundreds of times per lap as the pedals are depressed and released, how long will it be until metal fatigue causes the copper wires inside to crack and go intermittent? You might want to consider mitigating strategies like installing shrink tubing near those kink points.
Aside from that it looks to be a great idea.
only time will tell :) It's a good observation but I'm not that worried about it right now
More companies need to use this and better tech on the pedals, shifters and handbrakes...
Love these on my V3i's and definitely will have to get some for my OBP's is they ever arrive🥺
Awww man 🤕 hope they arrive soon.
First off this look like a great upgrade.
But I would like to see better cable mounting on the motors. I would like to see the cable mounted on the sheathed part cable before the connector and the connector fixed to the motor mount body.
So the connection dose not move every time the user pushes the pedal.
Great feedback for the company!
Hi Laurence, would you say these would be a great addition if I already have a Dayton BST-1 mounted in the front of my rig? Is there any difference in feel on the pedal between ABS and lets say wheel slip? I am looking at adding these to my Invicta pedals, and looking to probably simulate ABS and TCS, and perhaps additional feeling for wheel slip up front. I've also got a buttkicker 2 under my seat and another BST-1 for the rear wheels.
Thanks
Ordered a kit for my VRS pedals, hope it will improve my breaking especially.
Nice one!
I found out about this product just recently and to my surprise you have made the review of this product already :) I really like all of your reviews and this one is no exception. Out of curiosity - do you still keep using the kit of for some reason you stopped using it (and if so - what was the reason)?
I wish I could use this kit on all my review pedals but I can't because the rumble motors are so good that they change my perception of how good a brake pedal is
I just got these pedals a d I'm gonna try making these on my own before I decide to buy. I didn't know rumble motors could add so much to immersion
Thanks for the review. Can I also use Sim Commander 4.5 when I already use 4 Bass shaker in my cockpit?
Excellent content as always. My son wants to make a set of these as he is taking robotics in HS, so ordered a bunch of the motors and will hack together a set of something comparable.
Oh awesome! Great project :) can’t wait to see pics in our discord!
I have these and they're amazing
So so good
Thanks Man, at least I have a somewhat idea what's going on now.
Eventhough this video was made a year ago I want to share my experiences with such rumble motors.
I bought a similar product with my DC Simracing Pedals (from Spain). They come only with a single motor per pedal (the ones presented here have 2 per pedal). The feeling of wheel lock on the brake pedal or gear shift on throttle felt really amazing and increased immersion massively. SimHub really offers a lot but you need to select the displayed effects carefully. Too many signals in parallel make it feel blurry.
I finally send the rumble kit back as it disturbed me while driving. Concentration was shifted towards the amazing feel of the effects but my feeling for the brake to rotate the car decreased. As a result my lap times where slower which was for me the killing factor. Maybe I was not patient enough and should have tried it longer to get used to it.
Regarding quality I have a little concern with these very simple (and cheap) rumble motors that are used for such kits (they all use basically the same imported base motor). In my DC rumble kit one of the two motors failed already after 2 days (of intense testing). They don't seem to be very durable.
wow great comment and insight
Driving a rowdy 95 Impreza with a 400whp EJ engine in it. No power anything 2700lbs. I feel things in the pedals. This is why I am here contemplating doing this with my current sim pedals to get a more "rowdy" feel. Engine vibrations from the gas pedal, abs vibration from the brake and a little something something in the clutch will be nice for shift engagements as I love to play some BeamNG.
So nervous watching this :|
Hahaha there’s little to worry about. Thanks for a great product
Great review. In fact I follow at least 10 channels related to sim racing. And you have the best reviews.
These are not compatible with simforge pedals from India? It doesn’t look like it.
The wind adapter add on seems like a great value.
Wow thanks so much ❤️
They’re not compatible yet, no :) but if the demand is there, the brackets will be made :)
The wind adapter does look like a good product. I have had wind in the past (different system) and although it’s novel, I ended up only using it occasionally.
Hi! Thx for the video!! Csn you tell me, how loud these things are? Is it something for the bedroom 🤔?
Thx!!
The harder you run them, the louder they get. Luckily you don’t need to run them hard to get benefit from them as they’re so close to your feet’s contact patch.
Hello, nice vid. quick question though, can it be purpose to clutch? I mean can you configure it that if you reach the biting point then the motor will rumble?..
unfortunately not. no sims (that I know of) report that information
Hi, where did you get the box mounting plate?
Hey there, nice video. How well do the motors work on acc? it’s my main sim.
Yes they do! They work well
Your video Lawrence has really got me thinking?
You mentioned the rumble motors not working with the Porsche Cup Car in iRacing? Is it just that car or do all cars not provide the information for the motors to work? Thanks
The rumble motors work, they're just not perfectly in sync. I can't explain it but it seems iRacing is not reporting the data on time for simhub to be perfectly in sync.
@@LaurenceDusoswa maybe because it’s a audio signal. I had the same with the buttkicker. There is a setting to stop Audio delay, don’t know where to find it
Good review, why not use abs active and TC active in sim hub?
Not sure what you mean. I was using tv and abs output where availavle
I feel like I answered this comment before 😅 I did use them
I could see the clutch motor being cool and helpful if it could slightly rumble at the clutch bite point like feeling the clutch first starting to grab.
Yeah no sim titles report that clutch bite point though, to the best of my knowledge
@@LaurenceDusoswa they don’t but you could set it up yourself just like you setup bite point on on analog paddle shifters.
Only if simhub reports it and allows that configuration
Hi Laurence, nice Review. Do I look right? Do you have put your Avatar in your Race car? In wich Simulation is this possible and how is the doing for this. Best regards Jürgen
Hahah yeah that’s Assetto corsa. A subscriber did that for me
question is since you run them at like 25% is there any point to lets say upgrade fanatec v3s to these.. i ordered better 3d plastic mount for my v3s will see if that gives them a boost.
yes. even at 25% these are 5 times as powerful and accurate as the fanatec ones
Thinking about getting this for my Fanatec CSL Elite V2 pedals.. anyone have any thoughts?
answered you on the other comment. sorry for the delay commenting :D
Hi sir,,is this will fit on simforge mark1 pedals? I just check their website but cannot find the simforge on their option menu,,thanks
No they don’t do a bracket for the simforge pedals yet
@@LaurenceDusoswa i already talk to sim-3d sir,,,they where surprise cause the time i ask them they already just put the simforge on the list😅,,anyways thank you very much sir😊
Hahaha Nice!
@@LaurenceDusoswa by the way sir have you tried the seat rumble?you mention it on your video,considering that also,,already have shakers underneath my seat,,i want ro put it at the back,,is the vibration good?
Guess I’m going ordering these so 🤷🏻♂️
Im sure they are a great add on, and probably one that i Will get or make, but lets not be simplistic and compare it with motion Simulator, only depending in personal preferences!
One thing is your opinion, other is to say to the comunity that this is a better choice... there are a huge range of motion options, that take expertize to project, make, install and configure...and the lack of one of those steps, make some a nota so good Experience, but other a trully Great One, that cant be surpassed by any Sim gadget!
Yes, i am a builder of Sim equipment and also included motion kits, and u think for a question of respect, one should ONLY advise people and refere those are personal views, and not make simple statements with such a final judgment load, when things are much more holistic and complete!
But, apart from that, nice review!
I take your point, but i said that it's a better investment than motion. the same way a good set of pedals is a better investment than motion. Motion is fun and immersive and I've used many many setups. I also own an NLR V3 seat mover and an NJMotion Compact-R.
My point is that these rumble motors are a FAR better value investment than a motion simulator. You get more for your money. That is all. You can say that that's my opinion, but the same way a plastic bag is better value than a gucci handbag, these rumble motors are a better investment than any motion system I know of. Hope that answers your question.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I understood since the begining mate...no base disagreement with what you said, but more in the way that was said that might open the door for misunderstanding. Anyway, diferent products, total diferent segment, i would say that a good motion setup, can also be as good an investment, if one will use it in it's greater potential, and makes the right choice of models/kits, so that the actual Experience is in line with the investment, and if in future decide to sell it, still mantain a high value market. Let's say that sometimes, you can get the practibility of a plastic bag, the looks of a great handbag, without paying the price of a Gucci! I am sure that the future of Simulation is indeed the perfect mix of Visual Immersion (through Aumented or Virtual Reality), with Motion and Haptic systems/kits...so each one in it's place! Cheers and all the best
@@simology-virtualreality1739 yeah I don’t think they’re that far apart form a sim upgrade path point of view. They perform different functions for sure. People want motion for immersion. As far as immersive products go, it would be a complete waste of money, in my opinion, to buy motion before buying haptic feedback. That’s just my opinion for sure, and I mean no disrespect to good motion systems and honestly, I’d love to learn more about the motion systems that you provide and build. Fancy joining my discord?
@@LaurenceDusoswa I would say that in terms of logical upgrade path, they can have 2 diferent positions in the scale...a more primary and more essential to the ones who will never have the means for a full motion rig, or as very good complement for the ones who already own them and want to have all the other essential elements, like haptic elements. For sure, the "normal" path for a "regular" simmer, would be investing in a good set of pedals, a competent wheel base, a good cockpit rig to have them as base, followed by elements like this presented rumble haptic motors and bass/transducers, and Toping with a good motion system...not forgeting in the middle a good visual setup. I will gladly join your discord for some good Sim talking, and will be my pleasure to talk about my personal experience in the last decade, both as a user and a builder of SIm projects, particulary motion systems...Thanks
@@simology-virtualreality1739 nice one: discord.gg/PotatoNation
Imo throttle doesn't need any feedback - there is no vibration through throttle pedal(s) aside from chassis vibration(s).
Brake can use some for ABS, but realistically - the thing that needs to be replicated the MOST is brake-lockup, which does not come in the form of a rumble - unless ABS is enabled.
Clutch could use some feel for bite-point/slip etc... doesn't need much though
throttle vibration is great (and accurate) on slip/understeer for sure. especially on fwd cars. You're right about it being mainly chassis vibrations and stuff but your front wheels do communicate a lot in a car and on a static rig you need all the aids you can get to get that immersion. Remember that the role of tactile transducers and rumble motors is not necessarily to feel 1:1 like the real thing. The main benefit is to communicate that identifiable things are happening to your car.
Do these come with instructions?, watched the unboxing and they dont seem to come with any.
Nope, no instructions but they have a good active discord community. I did an unboxing (first impressions) video where I showed my install process
Better Investment than a motion simulator? I placed an order purely based on that last final thought comment 😅
hahaha you wont regret it :)
Not quite, but the two working together are magic
I mainly play iRacing, so as iRacing doesn't send out the ABS or TC signals to SimHub I guess this isn't worth getting?
ABS is sent I think, from memory. I'm not 100% sure though
@@LaurenceDusoswa Yes I've been told now ABS is sent. iRacing stopped TC telemetry being sent out as it was being exploited.
lol, I hope that Mini clip was with AI. Totally the opposite of your typical iRacing tendencies of being a very respectful driver!
Hahaha ❤️ thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt :)
Anyone tried this with a F1 game? I'm really missing the feeling of vibration when locking up@losing traction from my controller since I switched to wheel. This looks like a great replacement for nice price getting similar results (as far as I know exactly the same design is inside the gamepad). And since my primary game is f1 I would like to know if these works there. Would be great if they did but cannot find answer on this question anywhere. Thanks
I've not tried F1. I'm not into the F1 titles. I've driven F1 cars in AC but I'm guessing that's not what you're talking about :)
I use it with F1 2021 and it is awesome
@@netlawman2001 okay, thanks for the info
Are there any products like this for Logitech pedals?
They support the logitech pedals on there website just have to select that pedal style :)
Yep as @AverageJoe mentioned, you can simply select logitech pedals. enjoy!
Are you still using them LD?
nope. they're so good that I don't run them on pedals that I review :D I'd love a little break in pedal reviews so I could run them again :D
@@LaurenceDusoswa So still something you would recommend i feel 😎
@@LaurenceDusoswaThat sounds like a reason to do a K2X + These review.
Together the two kits are still cheaper than CSL Elites V2. Could do a “DIY vs Premade” review or something!
if you choose a third motor for the clutch its only 10 euros more no big deal might as well get it
yep but i'd attach a third or fourth to the seat instead of the clutch
@@LaurenceDusoswa oh yea? well i bought 6 for myself lol, 3 for the pedals, 1 for the handbrake and 2 more for my hosas setup
@@mirshia5248What vibration information do you want from your HOSAS? Aren’t you worried about it interfering with precise input?
While I'm sure pedal vibrations are an upgrade, and a fairly inexpensive option. Transducers are the real deal. Even 4 small pucks blow the doors off pedal rumble motors. My Fanatec pedals had rumble motors, they barely provided useful information. I removed them once I got my full transducer setup going. The amount of useful information coming through the transducers that is both directional and complex is a hard to describe. In my opinion it's worth looking into.
Except that Fanatec's rumble motors were never anything more than a small gimmick. I do agree that transducers are the way to go but for pedals it's not that important (unless noise bothers u)
The fanatec motors simply aren’t comparable to a mains powered motor system with 10+ times the power. I have a transducer here too and the differences (for my uneducated mind) are minimal. For my pedals I simply can’t imagine transducers giving me ‘more’
@MikeG... Fanatec rumble motors are a joke compare to these. The review is 100%. These are one of the best sim upgrade on the market.
You could have turn the pedal on their side to fit the screw . . .
Unless it was perfectly on its side it’s very difficult still. Blu-tac did the trick ;)
I'm getting a bit worried here. I ordered 3 months ago and he keeps pushing the date + the discord link is gone.
Has he gone rogue or something? I already paid for the product :(
Don’t worry. He’s not gone anywhere and the discord link may have expired. Here’s another link: discord.gg/JTChCxCWBh
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks
Ugh here i go to open my wallet thanks laurence
Hahahaha sorry not sorry! You won’t regret it!
F..cking Arduino Chinese copy chip , impossible to use it