Spraying Dark Colours Over Mdf | Using Interior Household Paints | Airless Sprayer | EP#54
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- Alright all?
I'm spraying a Farrow and Ball colour called Railings, and colour matched by Johnstones.
Using my Graco 695 Electric Airless Sprayer and a fine finish tip.
Going straight in with Eggshell, no primers or undercoat, giving me a fantastic durable finish.
Enjoy
Ryan
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Another great video and I just love watching them. I also agree I have been using the Johnstone’s acrylic eggshell brilliant white on all my builds but with I roller. Hence why I am seriously considering going airless.
Good video! Would be nice to see a video of you clean down process of the machine, thanks Sam
Good idea! Something I'll get done on Monday as I am changing over paints for another job 👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop do you love the paint in the machine over night or do you clean down every day?
If I'm.honest I leave the paint in and done it for a few days too
I know I shouldn't but its never seemed to have caused any known problems
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop good to know.
Hey there! I noticed you mentioned the challenge of MDF grain rising up when spray painting. A trick I've found helpful is applying a light spray coat of primer, followed by a second coat within minutes. Let it dry until it's ready to sand, and you'll be able to knock down those pesky grain textures.
After that, apply another coat of primer generously. When you sand the final layer, you should achieve a super smooth surface without any noticeable grain. This sets the perfect base for a top coat. Two coats of your preferred top coat, especially if it's a satin finish, should give you that sleek and smooth buttery look you're aiming for. Happy painting! , From Blue Spray Painting .
Amazing thanks for the great tips 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for sharing your knowledge - great stuff! How do these different paints stand up to scratch test, or items being dragged on them? Silk, vinyl, durable acrylic, aquaguard etc. Would make for a good video comparing their durability, and do you get diminishing returns beyond acrylic etc.
Appreciate any insight, cheers.
Hi Thank you!
Dark colours like all paints will show up scratches and scuffs more so than light colours.
It isnt too bad...its not like 2K paint but it is still very good.
Thanks for the ideas too!!
Cheers Ryan
You might try a waterborne vinyl sealer/ sanding sealer first. They take care of the grain raise first coat and they dry to sand in 30 mins. Some companies even offer pre-colored.
Thank you! I've seen morrells pre cat mdf sealer and tempted to give a go 😁
Great Video mate ! Bought my graco inspired by you . was using agner before but it wasnt giving me good finish so i stopped spraying. now your tutorials plus new graco convinced me i can build some great wardrobes for my place :)
Keep up the great channel
Thank you.
Airless, especially with a graco, gives you a great finish I find, it's also ridiculously fast.
I'd never go without one now!
I'm glad your enjoying the vids 😁👍👍👍
I don’t have a problem with top coat only , primer is great if you have a rough surface that needs a lot of sanding down .
Seal the mdf with bins shellac based paint, for you edges,. Rub down smooth with the fine grit then seal with French polish or knotting, rub down and repeat then a coat bins. Over 30 years as a sprayer working with mdf.
Looks good to me ! 👍😎
Cracking vid really interesting. I’d love a go at that.new cameras amazing. Keep um coming.
Great vid. In previous videos I'm sure you have used 3.16 tips, why the change? A guide on what tips to use when would be useful including general spraying e.g. walls, skirting, door frames etc. Something I hadn't realised until recently is Johnstones stores have the license to make up F&B, Dulux etc colours obviously in the Johnstones manufactured paint. I've read elsewhere that F&B manufactured paint can be a real pain to work with.
I may of used a 310 tip, basically a slightly smaller fan. There are a few websites on tip sizes, but I mainly use a 10 (310/410).
Yes I always colour match most big brand names.
There's an online company called the paint shed, it has the cheapest branded paint I can find anywhere and also colour matches. I used them recently for a few Johnstones paints😁
Thank you for a great video, love your channel. I was surprised to see that you paint MDF with emulsion tbh.
Cheers Steve appreciate the feedback 👍
95% of the time I spray eggshell, but every now and then I'll spray silk emulsion. Silk , when sprayed via airless is an extremely tough finish, you wouldn't have thought it but I can't really fault it.
I sometimes spray mdf with hard wearing matt too when a customer want a matt finish, again tougher than you think when sprayed on one very durable 👍
Dulux diamond eggshell actually says on the tin no need for primer undercoat 👍
Man, you should invest in a hopper, you can spray with smaller amounts of paint
Can a graco 390 do the job for a lifhter user ? Also what spray gun and tip do you use thanks
Have you tried morrells mate? They will mix their waterborne to colours. Much cheaper than the paint shed aswell. Just got a 5 litre tin of waterbased mixed to farrow and ball plummet for under £40, and its very good paint.
I didnt know that. What kind of paint is it, eggshell, satin? Or is this paint your talking about for hvlp sprayers? I might be being a bit dumb here haha
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop i always go for a 30% sheen, I'd call it satin, although you can choose what u want. And I use it in my graco handheld airless, mainly with a 310 tip. Ive used the white topcoat loads aswell. Ill send u some of the codes on Instagram
I have bought an Grace airless sprayer on the back of your videos Ryan, keep up the good work and the superb content!! although I am nervous about spraying furniture for the first time, your advice & knowledge has given me the courage to give it a go, one question though, how long can you keep paint in the sprayer for without having to clean the machine through? Do you do one coat and clean the machine? Or can you spray all your panels with the first coat and let it dry, leaving the paint still in the sprayer for an hour or two until the panels are dry enough for another coat?
PS I have designed and built the wardrobes based on your videos and they are looking great so far!! Just don’t want to mess it up with the paint finish! 😂
Nice video. I just started painting and still learning. I did a dark navy for a table top, and I almost lost it. No matter how many layers I applied, the grain was still showing. I used HPLV and applied at least 7 layers and still had problems. Do you think primer may solve the problem?
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Yes no matter how many layers you apply, it'll probably be the same!
I'd definitely use more primer coats, and high build primer of possible. Sand back flat after each layer. Once flay then apply 2 top coats.
I use airless sprayers but it should be the same method with your sprayer, just go heavy with the primer and more layers
Have you tried solvent based paint. I’m using a Graco GX21. I’ve used Dulux paints which turned out really well, but I have found Tikkurula paint to be easier to spray and it gives a great finish. I’m trying a solvent based gloss, just wondered if you have tried a gloss finish and how you or any one else using airless got on. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks for all the tips
I've used solvent a few times ( when the customer bought be the wrong paint lol)
Sprayed absolutely fine and definitely gives perfectly flat finish, mainly as there is no water to raise the grain.
But it takes at least a day to dry each coat and when spraying doors 3 - 4 coats both sides, you can see why i dont use solvent.
I've not tried gloss, I think this will show up even the smallest of imperfection but have only tried eggshell. Overall finish is flatter than the water based for sure 👍
I wouldn't recommend solvent based if your gonna put water based through again. I've tried all them brands and the difference if you switch to a more industrial paint. Sayerlack.renner. you will achieve a much better finish with durability being far greater. I always use primer as whatever your board looks like before top coat it will show through. The Sayerlack primer is about £140 for 25kg and top coat is more like £250 for 25kg. You can buy 5ltr tins also. Medite MDF is ok if it's moisture resistant. But hidrofugo is much better. Hardly any grain residing at all. That's why priming is best to do to eliminate that first before top coat. I use the gx21 with a 210 or 310 tip. Paintable edge band is a great way to get perfect edges without so the sanding and sealing etc.
@@sicpac66tI have run solvent based paint followed by water based and visa versa. I change the filters wash out thoroughly with with spirit then washing up liquid then warm water. I’ve not had a problem. I will try some different brands, I agree with you regarding undercoat I always undercoat. Medite gives a better Finnish than regular moisture resistant MDF. I haven’t tried any other board.
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop you are right about the time it takes for drying. I’m doing some wardrobe doors in a gloss finish!! Let you know how it goes.
@@sicpac66t this comment is top± thanks for that info
Do You protect somehow the other side of the painted element from catching paint dust?
Great video . It will be interesting to see the results on the finsa Hidrofugo looking at the raising of the grain compared to other mdf manufacturers. What mdf do you usually use?
Cheers that's my plan, to compare the medite mdf, standard and MR, compared to hidro
I always use medite, both types and still get a very good finish, so will be interesting to see the differences 😁
Another useful video, thanks Ryan 👍, in a previous video you stacked doors up and your guy rollers the edges with primer, but I noticed your door fronts have a very slight rounded edge, how do you prime these to get a smooth finish, also does medite not fluff up/lift particles so much when cut ?, thanks for all the content mate, I've learnt a lot.
Thank you!
Mostly panels used to get stacked, sanded, painted then split the plie apart.
We would 5hen go around with the radius cutter 1.6mm, on everything, dust down then give the panel 1 coat of paint ( both faces if needed ,like a door)
Once dry we'd bring back in workshop, sanded all faces with 240 lightly, also hand sand inside any shaker paneling again with 240.
We've tried a few ways of sanding the radius edge. We've tried 240 which works well and we've also tried finer paper like 320 or higher.
The corners do sometimes slightly fluff up and found sanding arrises with finer paper better.
In a few weeks or so I'll have a video comparing all materials... standard mdf, Mr mdf, hidro, and how they paint etc.
I've never tried hidro but need to the the samples to try it out
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop thanks for reply mate really helpful 👍
Hi, I learned a lot from your youtube channel. Thank you very very much for your sharing.
I just have a question why do you recommend GRACO 695 more than GRACO 390?
Actually what is the different between that two machine?
Hi, the 390 is very good it's just the 695 is the best. It's a bigger pump that doesn't have to work as hard as the 390 and can spray at a faster rate
Great video really enjoyable and informative,have you tried the rotating door rack painter for smaller pieces?it allows you to paint both sides at same time and store when wet
Thank you!
I haven't tbh, the problem is I have so many jobs/components at any one time and need tons of space for storage, ive never seen these racks so I will Google them, thank you!
Hi mate, what's the drying time like with the wickes silk?
Enjoying your videos 👍🏻
Obviously subscribed too 😂
Hi mate thanks!
Easily in one day but if I have my diesel heater on then between an hour or 2 👍👍
@thelondoncraftsman2026 Sounds good, have you had any feedback about it being tacky for a while till it fully hardens?
Not really, once it's hard and fully dry in the spray room then it's good to go to the customers house 👍
@thelondoncraftsman2026 that's brilliant & thanks for the quick reply. Looks like a very cost-effective method of spraying - I'd wouldn't have ever thought of this type of paint. Enjoy the rest of your weekend 👍🏻
Cheers.
Yes I'm probably the only person that does it lol but it works, and works very well 👍👍
Have a good one too
Found this video as having issues with the gxff and a black!
When I spray it looks like the spray is fluttering and the wet film.looking almost patchy before it dries..not sure if it's my technique or the machine
Hi Yes it sounds like a machine isse, or blockage, or dirty filters?
maybe even pressure needs to be turned up?
You can always call spray direct for advice :-)
ryan
Good video thanks, may I ask how long you can leave paint in the gun and system without cleaning it out (if you were working on a project over several days, for instance)?
Hi. Do you ever water the eggshell down and do you ever spray vertical panels/doors?
Kind regards
Marko.
Hi no I've never watered down any paint and only sprayed vertical once or twice for wierd shaped things 👍
Hi mate, how long do you leave them before you deliver them back to the customer? I have problems with Johnstones taking an age to cure? Cheers mate.
Just took ownership if a Q-TECH QT 290. What pressure do you recommend for spraying MDF? Do you water down your paints? Ta as ever!
Hi, brilliant you bought an airless!
If I'm spraying primers and eggshells then I'm between 1200 and 1600. Start low and work your way up until you don't get tails any more ( line either side of the spray pattern ).
Stir paint or shake to mix and thats it, I don't thin down.
Recently I've been having problems where I've been spraying tails so I have my pressure around 1600 - 1800 with a 310 tip.
Never really had these problems before and have always sprayed at the lower pressure with no probs.
Just test low and see what happens and go from there 👌👌
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Cheers buddy! If I ever see you in a pub, I owe you a pint or 10🍺
@@Glentp75 haha I'll take you up on a free pint 😁that's no worries, any other questions mate feel free to ask 👍👍👍
Do you use any sealer at the end or just leave it eggshell? I had a customer where the builder done just eggshell sprayed on old varnished kitchen, they used primer too and the paint chips everywhere.
Hi no just the eggshell is tough enough no need for anything on top👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop thanks for the reply, and great videos, keep up the good work 👍🏻
@@rnarno thank you 👍
Great video, I'm looking to get the Graco gxff in the near future, what are the poles you use for your drying racks?
I great investment any graco!
My mobile racks are from the cheapest 3m x 3m gazebo on ebay or amazon, £18 quid I think.
It comes with tons of poles.
I just though its the best way to buy poles in bulk without buying them singularly 👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop that is genius would never have thought of that, thanks for your reply 👍
Good job mate nice finish,Is it possible to paint with a hvlp gun?Like an auto body spray gun?ive some kitchen units to paint ive got a hvlp
Thanks mate, yeah hvlp is definitely possible and most people paint mdf panels with hvlp. Contact morrells paint supplier, they are great at giving advise on what paint to use etc.
I just don't use hvlp myself and have never tried it before so can't give you much more advise.
If your asking about the paint I use, I'm sure you can thin it down but it may need too much thinning for it to spray nicely so.youay need pu paint or something like that
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop yeah the thinning part is the one all right,my cousin has got a graco magnum x5 I might get it of him,there’s a red and green tip/nozzle with it
If you use the x5 airless just spray at as low pressure as poss, and are sure the tip is a fine finish tip and possibly around a 310 or 410.
Go to spray direct and type in ff310 or ff410 and that's what I'd recommend with that sprayer
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop cheers mate thanks for the help appreciate it and great content on your channel
Another great video mate, Have you ever tried warming the paints up?
I havmt mate, I always warm the room up and ultimately the paint would warm up slightly but never tried the actual tin. Have you?
No mate, I’m new to the finishing side of spraying, I’ve got a gxff and only normally spray eggshell sheen levels, but tried some gloss on some doors and like you said it shows up any slight orange peel which you wouldn’t notice on your lower sheen levels. Heard a few people say they prewarm the paint which will help make the paint flow through the gun and lay out better.
I may give it a go then 😁😁
Do you ever spray mdf with 2k polyurethane?
No I'm not set up for it 👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop I spray 2k polyurethane at least 4 days a week and have so for last 6 months but watching your videos still give me massive tips! Most of our work is in London even though we are based in Chester. Maybe if ok with you when I deliver down there next I can pop in?
Hello mate, thats good I'm glad they are helping 👍. Yeah I can't see why not mate. Just give me a heads up when you think you are coming down 👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop it will either be this week if not definitely next week, is there any other way if communication than this? I just feel I could just pick a few tips up if that’s ok?
I'm happy to help via Instagram messages 👍