Change your HVLP or ROLLER for an AIRLESS SPRAYER & spray WOODWORK 3x FASTER - GUARANTEED! | EP#25
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I always paint with airless sprayers ( Minimum 10 years) & id say they are at least 4 times faster than the conventional roller and brush, and a FAR FAR superior finish too!
This video is me trying to persuade you to give it a go, go for it, buy one! you will NEVER go back, trust me.
I spray Mdf ALL THE TIME with these sprayers and they give a GREAT finish, and honestly dont know why more people are not using them.
There is one thing is this setup that makes it all possible... the Green fine finish tips!
Watch the whole video, hopefully you will be inspired and take some useful tips away with you.
Thanks for watching
Ryan
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Superb best British workshop Joinery chanel. Thanks. I learn allot from you.
That's really kind, thank you !!!
I'm really glad its helping people and next weeks video should be quite helpful too 😁👍👍
You are a legend man!, you're Commitment, Heart and Generosity is helping me anyway for sure and I can't be the only one. I feel your solutions allow committed Cabinet Makers get going with producing wonderful work for clients without getting into crazy bank debit and the associated worry. Wishing continued success to you all. 👍👍
What an amazing comment, thank you!!
It makes me really happy to hear oof things like this so its really appreciated!
I hope to hear from you again!
Thank you Ryan
Thanks Brian for the excellent video, you should be very proud of what you have achieved with your whole workshop set up an business, I have learnt so much from your videos I really appreciate the effort and time you put in to help fellow tradesmen who are trying to grow there business. 👊👍
I really appreciate this David, thank you!
Really glad they are helping people and ill keep making them whenever I get spare time 👍👍👍
Thats an excellent video and the results look superb and thanks for sharing ryan,you make it look easy but as all painters know its not easy unless you have the right set up,the filters sucking out the paint are really handy and essential in stopping overspray spreading throughout the room,your spray technique is excellent continued succes to you
Wish this was uploaded yesterday, just sprayed a tv unit and wordrobe doors with a Johnstone primer and the durable acrylic. You normally use the primer coz it’s cheaper. But now thinking about the time spent washing the machine though for each paint. It’s worth just spending the little extra on using just the top coat. Great video again mate!
Ha that is a shame, but you should still would of got good results.
I'm always experimenting of finishes, and this 2x top coats really does work, and with no down sides compared to primer first coat.
The first coat dries so tough so I love doing 2 top coats now
You should turn your Sprayer into an air assisted airless Sprayer, all you need is a compressor I would get the gentlin silent compressor, get the aaa gun again iwould go durr gun you can dial those guns in great for the size of fan and 5he shape of the fan , and the the aaa lines and you've got the perfect spraying system for your workshop. It's nearly as fast as an conventional airless and it's just as good as a hvlp honesty the finish is flawless , once you get that set you'll think why did I use an airless all this time
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Ryan, not many would! I’m seriously thinking about spraying my own work so much labour intensive to roll and brush and never 100% happy with my finish.
Not sure what your issue is with HVLP really, are you using a hvlp gun with an air compressor or a proper turbine? HVLP connected to a professional 5-6 fan turbine beats airless day and night. The whole point of HVLP is that you have around 85% efficiency with regards to overspray, even using PU paints.. Graco airless is ok for some processes but to say it’s better than a properly setup HVLP turbine for cabinetry spraying is a stretch. Also why do you claim HVLP is so slow? My setup with a 1.5mm nozzle spraying clear coat, PU or AC is as fast if not faster than airless. Do you ever use catalyst paints or always off the shelf tins? This could be part of the issue. The problem with the paints you use is the hardening time’s (not drying) whereas a proper 2 part Pu with an anti yellow and anti scratch catalyst will give you a 100% better finish that’s way tougher and all you need is a tinted primer and 2 top coats.
No need to thin the paint. No need to fill the cup. Stick the hose in a 5 gallon pail and keep spraying until it's done. Also the gun is lighter. Try to paint the ceiling with HVLP.
I use a Graco finish 9.5 with pressure pot. I am using either waterborne ML Campbell or General finishes Hi build poly in color or 2K poly for finish, With our new finish to be coming from Centurion coatings. I am sanding in 30mins from coating. These are water based cabinet grade finishes. Sayerlak has the same type in water over there. Two coat finishes are rock hard. I believer the reason for primer is not just a bonding issue over time, but for sealing of the materials you are coating- I believe the materials being sprayed onto (i.e. MDF) do not pull the water out of the coating and let it evaporate properly into the air.
These are assumptions, since I am not a chemist.
@@dougwang9211 who is talking about spraying a ceiling? The thread is about cabinetry spraying so your comments not relevant to this conversation. Also a ton of paint from a diy store is not a suitable finish for high end cabinetry. Fact
great painting tips and excellent explanations , Thank you
Thank you 👍👍👍
To be fair you can just paint mdf, it’s other types of wood you really need a primer. Or using oil based top coats, your working with an all round paint and no knots or anything so it's fine, you've sealed the edges. As long as you know when were or why u need a primer, it's fine. t's just working smarter not harder.
Apologies for the late reply, youtube holds back some messages.
Thank you for the message and input, sorry it took so long to reply!
Ryan 😊👍
I don't think many people talk about downsides of hvlp such as the low pressure meaning you have to thin water based paints
I found I was thinning tikkurila beyond 50 percent to atomize correctly
Yes exactly, I never water don with an airless sprayer :-)
Finally someone else who finds primers useless!! I've been using high end trim paint for a long time now on cabinets, trim, and doors, and trim conversions from bare wood. I always prefer to put several nice thick layers of topcoat on instead of relying on a primer to prep the surface. Never had an issue, primers don't have magical ingredients, if you're already using high quality paint that can go directly on bare wood and metal, why add a useless step.
I totally agree with you. The top coat is tough as old boots and no reason a primer is any better 👍👍👍
HVLP is widely used in the furniture industry, the set up your using is for decorators spraying volume, hvlp is fast if you have the right set up and compressor.. water based paints are still not hard wearing enough. ac lacquer is what we use on all the furniture we spray, we have tested over the past five years all the main paint manufacturers water based products, and there are still issues, it will be water based in the future, it has to be !! environment!!!
Have tried helmi 80 from tikkurilla , absolutely amazing waterbase gloss paint
I've not tried it, can I use my airless sprayer?
I don't use gloss either, if they had a lower sheen version I'd possibly try it.
Tikkurila have an awesome selection of finishes and primers, well suited for airless and colour match to farrow and ball is about 99% accurate even on dark colours.
Awesome video, what tip would use for fine finish on large areas in situ 👍
Mincing well there
I love your enthusiasm in these video's and willingness to share your expert knowledge. Thank you
Thank you !
What a extremely useful video. Thanks
You're welcome and thank you!
Great video, that machine is an absolute beast! If you had several smaller jobs each in a different colour is the time cleaning/loss of paint in the lines quite significant?
Hi Ryan. Excellent stuff mate. Really appreciate your honest and straightforward approach. Just wondering Ryan are you using MR MDF for 2 coat method or normal MDF works aswell? Many thanks. Sean
Hi. Great video. Which Graco would you recommend to do a 3 bed house renovation… emulation walls/ceilings, woodwork, doors/skirtings etc and maybe exterior walls with masonry paint maybe
A graco 390 pc is the lowest model I'd go for in my opinion 👍. Anything bigger would be better. I love my 695
For a carpenter ur 1 of the better sprayers ive seen for 1 u got balls to use an airless sprayer...i spray built in new cabinets with an airless sprayer in a home...with a graco or titan 44 with a 211 fine tip...an hvlp i only use for sprayin metal or spraying poly...airless is to much for that type of thin thin paint...but i can actually appreciate the way u work theres some wild painters on utube fukn airless sprayn in someones home and not wrappin shit its fukn wild like there isnt crazy overspray fukn serious hackers
Many thanks for informative videos, very thorough. Can't wait to get started on my little utility room project 🤗
Thank you and I'm glad it helps 👍
As a painter and decorator I would normally admonish you for not using a primer because the primer bonds with surface, but you've got my noggin joggin, being its airless and it fires the paint out like little needles it probably penetrates the surface giving the bond that you would not normally get. You probably should have pointed out though for inexperienced users of airless NOT to test spray across their hand because it can have fatal consequences. Great video though, will have to give it a try myself......
Brilliant video & really well explained. Would love to see a video on the cleanup of the machine after using. With those moves when spraying you will be getting a call from Strictly Come Dancing 😁
Further to my previous comment Sayerlack is no dearer than dulux etc. Lot cheaper than Helmi. £60 for5lts. Plus you can still brush onsite with their addative. Elmbridge are always helpful. Hope this is useful.
Solid advice ..And very generous with your tips ..thanks
Wonderful presentation. Thanks for confirming my thoughts on airless system.
Thank you!
tritech tips ff ultra tips spray at 800 psi , blue graco are contractor tips for wall and stuff ff lp are for cabinets and trim , furniture
No. I talking about the hose on the pump 25 feet and how does it work! I was told to used a 50 hose on the pump
I wish there was a way for me to accurately express how much you have changed my cabinet making experience. Is the average cost for cabinets in my kitchen was $16000 dollars so I decided to build them myself and I've been stressing about how to paint mdf.
Amazing!
Interesting stuff Ryan. All up for the experimentation, the “proper” way isn’t always the best (pocketholes are a good example). Will definitely look into the airless sprayer but would man an upgrade of my workspace.......
Yes, I agree. Pocketholes are a cool way of getting you out of trouble on certain jobs.
I think if you paint quite frequently and have many components then its definitely worth designating some space to your sprayer.
If I had to give up my spray space and start hollering and brushing again I'd give up doing what I'm doing.
I have a dulux centre near me (watford) and they sell Sprayers. They also have a demo sprayer to give one a go, maybe worth trying one?
Hey man, I have basically the same setup, tips/sprayer/dry racks. I have issues where when I flip the doors to do the other side, I'll get marks from the arms holding the door on my finished side. Even after waiting 24hrs. I don't really have the time to wait longer (as in sure you can appreciate), what's your experience with paint getting hard enough to "stack" the doors and how many coats do you do in a day and then how long do you wait to flip and do the other side?
Great video thanks! Was wondering what type of Fans you use and any filters that are used in front of them?
Hi if you goto my newer spraying vids, there will be links to the fans and filter material. Also check out my spray filter video, it's episode/video#59 and shows you how to them 👍
you need a fine whip hose for beter control 3/16th id
Hi, Great video...you mention 8 hole 10m18s? which tip is that?
Asides for panels would airless be suitable for more complex details, say for example could you spray an assembled chair? (Considering the Graco GXFF)
Thanks, I cant remember tbh.
Yes I sprayed a little mud kitchen with my cordless ultra max so a gxff will definitely do the job nicely.
Check out that video in my spraying play list 👍
great videos mate , Thank you
Awesome upload! Which airless sprayer would you say is the best for the weekend warrior? Looking for something to paint interior and exterior home walls with.
Thank you, id say a graco for sure. Definitely worth the investment. A graco gx21 for a weekend warrior 😁😁😁
Great advice of paints x2 coats of same type .
Can you do a video on how you "clean the Airless sprayer for example a oil based or primer .
Is it a long process or 10 minute job ha 😆
Always watch yr vlog / vids.
Thank you 👍
Thanks👍👍
I dont use oil based if I can help it, cleaning the machine takes a while and you need white spirit to do it. Also drying time is to slow for my liking, to be able to spin the components over and paint both faces.
I can definitely do a video on how to clean out the sprayer, I'll stick that on the list 😁
Thanks for watching my vids too 👍👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Thank you L.C 👏👍
Great video and very informative thanks. I have the same airless sprayer 695 but mine doesn’t come with a analogue pressure gauge that you have on the front of your airless, as mine is digital, the one on the front of your sprayer did you add it on after purchasing it, if so could you let me know where you purchased your gauge from pls? I would like to add a analogue gauge to mine as they are more accurate than the digital one that comes with it.
Sorry for the late reply
Thanks appreciate it.
Tbh it came like that but I'm sure you could retro fit an ebay job on yours and make it analogue?
Great videos whats the drying time between coats ?I've been using morrels pc paint but having complaints from units either side of me because of the smell so need to use something different
Thanks, I only use water based paints. If I have the space heater on or its hot outside or summer then it dries fast. Between 20 mins to an hour I guess. If its cold and ho heat then a few hours, but not recommended on mdf doing this way as the grain will raise
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop why what way do u do it on mdf id mostly use mr mdf
I've tried Mr mdf lots of times and found no difference in the finishes so I just stick to standard. I just dry the paint as fast as poss in between coats
What sizes Holes do you got on the 695 pump
What do you mean? TIP sizes?
I've tried all them paints using airless and they are not very durable at all. I discovered Sayerlack and it's much better. Spraying cabinets with airless is not the best as it's very easy to hit it to heavy with the paint coming out so fast. And not having the option of using a 2 part paint for even better durability is a bummer. Overspray is pretty high to.
Cracking Vid cheers
Very good demonstration Ryan congratulations :) I would like to get a GX21 but i don't know if it can work with 2k polyurethane wood paints
Thank you, I dont think its wise to use 2k paints on these machines, a place called spray direct will help with any questions you have 👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Thanks!
Love this. I am going to get a gx21 direct feed. Wanted one for a long time and this has made my mind up
Wicked there are lots of links on my description if you need anything. But good to know someone else is going airless👍👍
I may be a little late on the comment, but are you diluting the paint at all?
I’m using the same paint, but getting absolutely terrible runs when spraying anything vertically.
Hi no I have never diluted.
Just spray with a small tip and lowest pressure, don't put too.much on ans work fast
What paint are you using, what you spraying? What pressure? What tip are you using
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop 310 tip, same as you, with Johnstone’s Acrylic Eggshell, same as you, and a Graco GX21 at 1200psi. And doing two top coats of the paint, same as you. Apart from the smaller machine I’ve been copying everything you’ve been doing in your videos to get the same finish as you, except I’m getting massive paint runs. I’m wondering if it’s because I’m thinning the paint by 10%.
@@MartyKemp in that case, the only thing it can be is diluting the paint.
When I clean out my machines, and flush through with water to get remaining paint out, some of the water goes back into the paint tin.
When it does this I notice the paint is quite watery and I personally wouldn't spray at that consistency.
I'd go back to not thinning the paint, start at 1200 like you are and a quick burst spray on some scrap to make sure it's a nice part with no tails either side of the spray pattern.
If there are tails still, Up the pressure bit by bit.
I belive you want to be using the black filter in gun and machine for eggshell at around 1200 1400 psi. If you get a good pattern without changing its not critical to change but keep eye on filters every now and then.
You'll get the hang of it, and when you do it's plane sailing and a pleasure to use and very quick!
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop awesome! Thanks for the swift reply! I didn’t even think you’d see my first question. I’ve watched nearly all of your videos and they’ve been excellent and really really helpful.
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Good video, is the GX 21 better than the gxff?
I'd say they have different uses, the ff is for people spraying less & and sticking to spraying small amounts of paint for trims/architraves, skirts etc.
Apparently it has a smaller hose diameter too so it takes up less paint.
This way you can buy a litre tin of something and put it in the hopper.
I personally would still use the gx21, I've very rarely needed to spray that little and usually my minimal spray amount is around 2.5L
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop that's great thanks for the quick reply, I would love to get into spraying and saw when the gx21 came out but I would use it once every 6 months and apprehensive about it drying up and becoming unusable if stored for so long
Your welcome!
Leaving your sprayer unused for long periods is absolutely fine.
Just make sure you store it with pump guard in and it should be fine.
The good thing about these gx21 Sprayers is that you can change over the pumps in a matter of seconds all by your self and for relatively low cost( around £100).
Not saying you will have to as you should get years of use from your sprayer, but it's good to know it's a quick cheap fix if it ever went wrong.
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Hi mate, have you ever sprayed the Johnstones acrylic satin?
Hi mate, I have and it sprays exactly the same, just different sheen level but the finish you get comes out the same as eggshell
Richard, were you using the standard Johnstone's Acrylic Satin, or the Aqua version?
I'm surprised at the paint you use. I use w/b sayerlack with crosslinked topcoat. You won't be disappointed trust me
I get perfect results so no need to change 😁👍
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I only ever used 2k poly until i had to use w/b for a job. Ok you cant do gloss but i try to avoid them jobs.
Or talk them out of it!
Now i would never use a/c again and try to stick to S Williams stuff. You ought to try a sample. You may get converted.
Regards Mark