Magic The Gathering's Many Scandals
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Magic the Gathering is genuinely a trading card game, and I would never lie to you about that. Over its 27 year tenure, it has accrued a wide variety of wacky and hilarious scandals and stories, several of which I have conveniently collated for you and your amazing family to enjoy. Some of these many scandals include the tale of Alex Bertonicini, a player who could not stop cheating at Magic the Gathering to save himself, as well as a series of entertaining disqualification stories, that show Magic the Gathering players are at least creative when it comes to getting kicked out of tournaments. There's also a tale of intense rules lawyering, where player Bradley Carpenter found himself losing a game because he didn't say the right name when he played the card Pithing Needle, and finally, the tale of Goyfgate, where Pascal Maynard found himself having to choose between making a better deck, or scoring an easy $2000.
0:00 - Untap, Draw (Intro)
1:11 - The Cheating Addict
5:25 - Ad Time
7:08 - A Series of Unfortunate Disqualifications
11:01 - Don't Get the Card Name Wrong
13:28 - Taking An L For $2000 - เกม
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Wtf 17 hours ago?
Watching this ad as a female is a very interesting experience lol
@@M1cr0wave 0lh John 8
In Yu-Gi-Oh, there is a spell card, "Yu-Jo Friendship", where you have to offer your opponent a handshake. And your opponent can choose to accept or decline the handshake, and the proper effect will resolve accordingly. However, if you activate "Yu-Jo Friendship" while having the spell card "Unity" in your hand, your opponent MUST accept the handshake. This made some players theorise the infamous "Yu-Jo / Unity" strat, where you put your entire hand up your arse before offering the handshake. Your opponent will forfeit the game, rather than accepting the compulsory nasty handshake, and you win.
So there is an official ruling, which states that the opponent does not physically have to shake your hand; he merely has to accept the idea and intention of a handshake.
this is the funniest comment ive ever gotten holy shit
@@ManyKudos
Yep. The funny thing, it's not like MtG Unglued, either.
From what I heard this actually happened
Fucking hilarious
Chocolate covered pretzel?
HE ASKED HIM TO CUT HIS WHAT
GHOST I SWEAR IT'S JUST THE WAYS I SAYS ME WORDS PROMISE!!!
I could not help but giggle like a middle schooler throughout this entire video
Quote "a fraction of his "deck" "
Deck. In fact, it's not that stupid of an idea. Once the opponent hypothetically would've, the opponent accepts the deck as legal.
Man, accents sure are crazy, huh?
Every single neckbeard crying about taking that Tarmogoyf would have taken that Tarmogoyf without a second thought. Bet.
And good on him for donating most of the proceeds to charity.
Shit I woulda done it and I don't even play!
Everyone besides Reid Ruke.
@@poling1990 I am a simple man, I see shiny card, I take shiny card
If he knew he didn't have what he needed to win, then taking the expensive card is the next best thing. I really don't have a problem with that, but the "fix" would be to destroy the market value of the draft cards like a casino does with its cards -- cut a notch in the side or shave off a corner, meaning they can never be used in tournament play again. Or, as already pointed out, make the prizes sufficient that taking the card is no longer seen as an acceptable cash-out option.
@@mal2ksc Or you know, not be a baby and simply don't care.
Many pros came out and supported his decision to take the foily tarmogoyf. I don't blame him either. That pays for the travel, food, and hotel for the tournament, in a pro scene where most pros were working another job to sustain themselves
Plus most of the “negative” tweets were just his friends giving him shit.
Along with that, it's a fucking one of a kind card, I'd totally cop that instead of one card that worked with my deck.
Plus it's also just a good card to try and block opponents from getting
Hate draft is a thing
@thecamper127 Yet the backlash responses didnt address them just being friends, but genuinely apologizing or still being a fucking dick about it.
I dont think theyre actual friends. Either the player thinks they are and theyre just toying with him, or hes being nice trying to spare them from the backlash to the backlash
Probably my favourite saying, ever, is "Get your kids playing Magic: The Gathering. That way, they won't have any money to afford being a drug addict".
I'd much rather my kid is a cardboard crack addict than a real one
Or let em buy warhammer 40k miniatures and books... 😐
Won't have time to be drug dealers either
Except for really motivated and criminally minded children who find time to deal drugs to fund their Magic habit
@@emulation2369 easiest way to secure your child's extreme debt in the future
I used to buy weed from a dude who only sold it to fund his MTG habit. Whenever you'd go in there there were like 4 stoners playing and he never interrupted his game to handle business first so you'd just be sitting there, waiting for these smelly, uninteresting virgins to find an acceptable gap in their gameplay to handle money. Good times, I miss being 20.
“Solitaire for the sexually impaired”
Beautiful
its basically is if your playing a Storm Deck
@@naktamunarchives lol you beat me to it - I felt attack being a Gifts Storm pkayer
Accurate
Kek
One of my favorite card game cheating stories is from Yugioh. A player had made it fairly far into either a Regional, or YCS (YCS are 2 day long, high level tournaments) and decided to purposely DAMAGE his opponents cards while shuffling them, in order to try and get them disqualified for having marked cards.
Do you have the name of the guy who did that? I want to do a Yu Gi Oh Many Scandals one day so that'd be a great story to cover!
@@ManyKudos Not off the top of my head. Yugioh player bans aren't nearly as well documented as Magic bans, especially bans from back in the day.
@@ManyKudos look up trif gaming's "I got banned" video it's comedy gold
@@ManyKudos I’d argue it’s easier to cheat in yugioh because the rules of ygo are convoluted
@@mundanesalad It's really not. High level competitive players understand the games mechanics, and most importantly, iblee how their cards interact with others, just like Magic players.
Also, how you described cheating isn't really cheating. Making an illegal play because you don't understand game mechanics or interactions isn't cheating, it's a misplay. Cheating implies intention.
I want a part two so bad! We at least need an honorable mention of that guy who took all the pictures of him standing next to people’s buttcracks at tournaments and put them on the internet
Fun fact; his ban ended in early 2020
Crackstyle! That almost made it into this one but I decided it might be better in part 2
Crackstyle is legend
Ran into that guy at a restaurant once, and again when he was doing merch for a band at warped tour lol
a god among men
Wait a card game named Magic doesn’t allow you to use wizard tricks to win? Bullshit
Right???
As a matter of fact, if you're playing Unchained, you absolutely 100% legally can!
Imagine not thinking the four horsemen wasn't just an overly long and complex wizard trick.
@@ditterbug8597 you from the future? When does Unchained come outm
Counterpoint: Cheatyface
Best card ever made. I sneak him into card game matches that aren't even M:tG.
cheats blatantly on camera, looses anyway, proceeds to get temp banned, waits for the ban to expire and returns to cheating
If that's not the definition of a loser i don't know what it is
>cheats on camera
>loses anyway
>refuses to elaborate
alex bertoncini chad confirmed
@@ManyKudos based
As someone who has played TCGs for a LONG time, but not Magic, seeing people mad for drafting a money card is the most ludicrous thing ever.
Yeah, but it's a pro player in the top 8 of a grand prix with an invitation to worlds on the line. A ton of people would have killed to be in that seat, and it's a giant middle finger to the entire community to not draft to win. If you're not drafting and playing to win, then why are you even at that table?
@@LucianDevine But on the other hand, it's not like he got to top 8 by cheating. He won that seat fair and square. He had all the right to forfeit. Was it a good thing to do? Debatable. Was he allowed to do it? Yes
@@LucianDevine Because that's why he WAS there. He clearly friggin didn't go after rare/valuable cards only. But a one of its kind foil happened to come in a pack he opened, so he nabbed it.
It's pretty fucking disrespectful to insinuate he wasnt there to win. Just reeks of saltiness imo.
@@dddgaming885 Exactly, its drafting one card that doesn't synergise. That's a far cry from throwing the entire thing.
@@LucianDevine On the other hand, not drafting a card that could easily go for over 1k dollars is a thing only someone well off would even consider doing.
On the first example for Alex: The commentators are not allowed to call out cheating since that usually halts the game. They clearly noticed due to how blatant it was, and the guy was suspended after. They dudnt assume then ignore it, they caught themselves from breaking the rules and making things worse for the judges.
Otherwise, good ass video yo
Interesting, good to know! Thanks mate
I'm not disputing this but why on earth is that a rule? If they see him cheating and it's on camera the game should be paused and the footage reviewed. Sure it will halt the game but isn't that preferable to having the rest of the game basically be a sham since the cheater will be disqualified regardless of who wins?
idiot rules. if its caugh cheating then stop and banned this guy then move next game
Okay so, this is how it was explained to me, and if I can find sources I will add them after the fact, but can't rn due to being at work. Long story short
1. There's a time limit for each person playing, both enforced for the whole best of 3 set and each game for turn length (a holdover from competitive chess). Most players are playing at the same time, even if matches are recorded. To this end, timing people out is a valid start (again, like in Chess).
2. Stopping a match to get a ruling requires more than just a few seconds of book keeping, costing minutes of everyone's time. This is compounded with calling out foul play and finding nothing, which is why they let things play out in the event the accusation is false. Despite how blatant this was in hindsight, it's fair to playets to let the game continue so the footage can be gone over proper while the ayers are going through their side decks.
3. The important part of this is that Alex was ejected directly after the match, not the best of 3 set. They didn't toss him directly after the play, but they did after the match ended and they could corroborate what the announcers clearly saw. With human error removed from the equation, Alex was essentially caught DTR, and since he was ready caught cheating before the procedure to DQ was escalated to a multimonth ban.
Commentators can and have called out cheating in the past
okay getting a manscaped ad for this is kinda genius
Glad someone noticed lmao
“Pubonic Plague” was comedy gold in all honesty. 😂
Manscaped is dope
In the city where I got my judge certification, I was able to determine what round it was by smell. It became my party trick I performed in front of other judges, since I was put in charge of side games as a level one instead of the main event. Thus, despite having no man to scape, I appreciate this ad greatly
Something tells me they got at him cus that's just good fuckin marketing
I really enjoy Magic but I can't imagine being so up my own ass about it that someone copping the money card in a tourney pack offends me as a player. I've cracked open a round of draft packs or a sealed event box, scooped the goods and just forfeited a few times.
Pay like 35 bucks, get 500 in value without having to play? Fuck it, we'll kick up some table matches back at the crib with a few Benjamins in the pocket.
They are full of shit too. Hundred percent woulda taken it they are just jealous.
Yeah, this is pretty much the point of the people saying tournaments should pay more money. If you don't want drafting for rares in your drafting tournament, you have to do the work and pay well enough. Otherwise you will eventually have this very normal part of a draft in your draft.
In 2014 you could pull a pack from Theros with all gods in it. At the time there was controversy and inconsistent rulings about what you could do; either call a judge and see if you can ahve the pack replaced with a more draftable pack or keep the pack in the pool, or ask to drop from the event and keep the pack. I'm still not sure if there was a specific ruling to alleviate the feel-bads either way, but with 2XM you could pick two cards first in the draft since the shtick was double the rares and, if you pulled double Force of Will or something similar, you would prefer to drop and essentially gain $100-150 in value from the draft so they just allowed you to double pick first.
For real, we drafting 5 color $$$ picks.
@@ryanjohnstone9097 When I was drafting, my local shop would've let us keep it and draft a different pack if it happened.
The Foil Tarmagoyf pick wasn't controversial to me. Its a crazy good card and hate picking one powerful card thats also rare, expensive and useful to your opponents is smart.
I was one of the judges that dqed Olivier. He literally slid down almost under the table at one stage to catch the reflection. Was pretty funny.
I was one of the other ones
@@IliadDreyfus-js9oe I highly doubt that.
11:28 reminds me of a yugioh feature match where one of the players wrote "Shaddoll Construct" instead of "El Shaddoll Construct" - not only did he get a game loss penalty, but he also had to play the entire rest of the tournament with the wrong card in his extra deck.
I heard about this while I was researching! I'll do a Yu-Gi-Oh Many Scandals vid one day, don't you worry
@@ManyKudos I was wondering if you would go after that one. Can't wait to see you perform that autopsy.
FYI, for those curious, unlike with the Borborygmos incident, there literally isn’t a card called “Shaddoll Construct” and this situation is just the organizers kind of being assholes especially as it’s a well known card ever since it got printed. It was even banned at one point.
@@MrZer093 there literally is a Shaddoll Construct. It's a Link Monster that no Shaddoll player ever uses.
@@MrZer093 Shaddoll Construct was made in the link era. It might as well be a Subterror card for how useful it is in Shaddolls.
Damn, this needs a part two where the collectible side of the game is covered, not just gameplay. The Reserved List’s origin, bans of racist cards, Walking Dead Secret Lair Drop, the Nalathni Dragon Promo, the fall of Noah Bradley, Urza and Mirrodin blocks nearly destroying the game… Too many juicy scandals.
EDIT: Wizards’ spectacular IT failures when releasing the ill-conceived Masterpiece boxes = deep scandal lore
EDIT 2: The banning of Splinter Twin is another good one between collectibles and gameplay - probably the most controversial banning in the game (explanation: it probably didn’t need to be banned, Wizards likely just wanted to shake up an upcoming tourney for fun)
EDIT 3: The Satanic Panic era art changes are another one coming to mind from early Magic - it took them a long time to print any explicit Demon cards because of that episode
Amazing suggestions, I had some notes on a few of those but I'll add the rest to my list! Thanks mate!
@@ManyKudos hell yeah! Thanks for the great videos!
Was one of these the pedophilia one?
also the dryad arbor debacle. i think gabriel nassif was in that game.
Sick Dopesmoker avatar, let's hang. We got a band practice cabin in the woods.
That whole "calling the shorter name" reminds me of a story in Yugioh where a guy called Black Luster Soldier instead of Black Luster Soldier, Envoy of the Beginning
A few things:
1. If someone is going to wear what is effectively a mirror that exposes their hand to me, I have a wide range of vision and can't act like I'm not seeing their cards... resisting the urge to act on that knowledge would be difficult at best, notifying the other person that they're essentially playing open handed would be something I'd think about but probably wouldn't do if it's something I noticed mid-match due to concerns that other might implicate me in something beforehand that I wouldn't have done. Granted, I'd also straight up admit it to the judges so there's that.
2. In terms of that rare shiny... no shame, would take and force it to work. Point blank, don't give two damns on if it's "honorable" or not.
Agreed on 2. It might be frowned apon in a casual setting if one person just takes all the rares. They are at a premier tournament and he's drafting one card. Nowhere near equivalent.
@@scottwallbank4794 Yup.
The irony in 2. was that he lost his match to the very same burst lightning that he chose to not pick. (was covered on Nikachu's MTG channel on YT.
Simply seeing your opponent's hand really shouldn't be an offense. It's the player's job to protect their cards from view.
@@trequor that's what I was getting at. Agreed.
This is super inspiring to me as someone who has managed to play MTG for 25 years without ever getting any better at it.
I remember growing up and only playing against my brother and we were evenly matched. So we signed up for a tournament together and both were beaten swiftly in every round we stayed for before realizing we both generally sucked and were the only balanced match the other would probably ever have.
As a casual mtg player who has had only tangential experience with other players, I am prepared to know none of these stories yet be surprised by none as well. Any community that would use an infinite Part the Waterveil combo on a casual player just trying to learn how to play must be truly fetid to its core.
“One mana short of a brainstorm”
“The version of him that checks twitter daily”
god i love your analogies
You know there’s a problem when the man with a susanoo avatar is telling you your playerbase is toxic.
(Jk I love susanoo, Tagers’ who timer scam me in 2020 when I’m playing anime games for the first time are the real villains)
@@Hawko1313 removing his locks for BBTAG was a thing of true horror/beauty.
Now if only I wasn’t dogshit at 2d fighters lol
I was accepted into my fraternity in College and we had this camping event. Some of the brothers were playing Magic. I asked them if they could teach me how to play sometime. All of them told me "If you don't know already, I can't teach you". It was off putting and kinda killed my desire to learn.
Lmao if thats the worst your playgroup did to you you got off easy
I haze all the noobs at my playgroup with an edh stax deck
Unlike an infinite combo, this lasts far longer and you just dont get to play
@@bradwolf07 they must have been extraordinarily lazy because it takes about 10 minutes to explain how the universals/fundamentals of mtg work, and after a handful of matches most of it becomes natural. I remember at a summer camp teaching high schoolers while I was in middle school without issue.
15:00 Since the only reason you're probably saying this is for the people who don't know about the game, I've gotta chime in that nobody cares what you pick unless its a huge tournament like this. Maynard was in probably the only position possible where that call wasn't correct, you'd be out of your mind not to take the multi-hundred-dollar card any time else and people do understand that.
I've thrown a few small drafts for cards worth much less than that. Mostly because I knew I wasn't going to win that sweet $50 in store credit prize.
IH really stepped up his collaborators ad game. I love it.
Legit jumped a mile at the laughs after the Hokey Pokey joke. Had my headphones in and thought that a crowd must have snuck up behind me and cackled loudly. So… great audio mixing my dude, first time I’ve been jumpscared by a laugh track🤷🏼♂️
Dude I scared myself like 5 times while editing it hahaha I kept forgetting I put it there
well think about it in this way: at least they came from the video, and not from inside your head.
-They always follow me. They laught at my small penis. It's sickening. It's unholy.-
Crowds sneaking up on you is a massive issue worldwide, we just don’t hear about it because they usually kill you after laughing at what they’re about to do.
We are very lucky that this was a false alarm and should be thanking ManyKudos for keeping us on our toes.
I bet a lot of magic players would like their "decks" "tampered with"
Holy shit
Dayyuuuuuuummmmm!!!!!
Man, that Bourborygnos (Idk how to spell it) was actually kinda wholesome. I was expecting the guy against him to be full gamer rage, but it's kinda cool that it was a charity event that led to clearer ruling.
I'm so thankful for that rule change too. I played a similar card one time that allowed me to remove copies of a card from my opponents hand and deck. I couldn't remember the name of the card but knew exactly what it did. Yet because I couldn't name it, my opponent said that it wouldn't work, and the judge sided with him. They wouldn't even let me use my phone because it was a tournament match.
@@OlympusPublicAffairs Because of the fact that these "name a card" effects exist, decklists should be readily available for use in game.
I love me some Magic cheaters lore!
I would have never guessed in a million years that you'd be a fan of this channel Izzy! Such a fun cameo!
I don't much care about it but I support the channel so I watch to the end anyway.
same
Kd os br
@@HasXXXInCrocs I'm a huge MTG nerd!
15:39 imagine typing this unironically in regards to the first pay to win money pit.
Ngl respect to the dude who chose the targa...ma...whatever. I'm broke, and would a absolutely choose the 2k goddamn dollar card over a higher chance to win an MtG tournament and frankly, so would most of his critics. Surviving is expensive.
Also, that dude getting mad "because his peer sold out for so little." 2k dollars is "a little?"
It's honestly one of the stupidest debacles I've ever seen in magic, that's called cashpicking and it always happens in draft matches
Even if it isn't a 2000 dollar card, cracking a 50 dollar rare is still good enough to just say "I wanna trade it for something" and pick it up
Yeah the people whining about that were ridiculous. He's within his right to choose any card that comes his way for whatever reason. Absolutely no one would've complained if it was a non-foil version that he took because, idk, he really liked the art (just using an example btw).
It's also hilarious that probably most of the people complaining would've jumped on it the second they saw it come to them lmao.
And "sold out"? Bro, it's one card. Probably not going to make or break his deck regardless, plus it's a $2000 card. Of course you money draft it.
It was literally the only right decision lol.
"One mana short of a brainstorm" - Classic
For the record I was DQ'd for an illegal deck in a side event of GP 'Cheatlanta'
Cut his deck, mass debate, your accent tho 😭😂😭
😅 It's just how I says me words!
Fuckin love it ha!
@@ManyKudos Please cut my Deck
You’re lucky your opponents have only smelled like roast beef and not rotten garlic
I'm so sorry
My favourite part about the Tarmogoyf story is that the guy who picked it got knocked out by the copy of Burst Lightning that he didn't pick.
I can't hold Maynard in contempt, everyone loves saying what's right not being in that seat, I would have snap picked the foil Goyf without hesitation, said to myself "LSV and Kibler forgive me..." and been done with it. :)
Absolutely. It’s a no brainer of a decision.
There's a reason I don't play Magic or 40k anywhere except with friends, my local game store has a regular that smells like burger King 😑
If your LGS has good ventilation it's not bad, but I've definitely been to a few shops that have had smells bowl me over when I walk in the door
My LGS actually uses the best air freshener and it makes it cozy. However, there’s always that one person there who smells like raw sewage that pierces through the freshener.
I can't even emagin what a sgdq or agdq event would smell like??
@@djtoxicdhg The real stinkers are the Smash players who occupy a corner in the attic of my LGS
I mean, that's getting off lightly. They could be smelling like vinegar and old cheese.
As a big MTG and Gwent fan, this vid and the opening music on the cheat addict was excellent!
I felt a bit cheeky using music from another card game in this, but most of the music from official Magic games are these epic bombastic fantasy ballads and I wanted something a bit more chill and fun
@@ManyKudos I dont know shit about MTG, but I am a straight up hoe for Gwent, so the music choice was greatly appreciated.
Entertaining video and a sick advert as well!
I went to Whitman College in Wallaby’s Wallaby’s Washington, where Richard Garfield, Magic’s Creator, was a math Professor. We met at the local comics, and game shop just off campus. He suggested a game of “Zen Magic” with a wrapped deck and one Booster pack. Richard was under the belief that any Zen Deck could beat another Zen Deck. We played a total of 66 games, came to a draw 53 times, I was victorious 13 times. After our 66th game that year, he asked for “ANOTHER!” I said. “You know Richard (Richard call me by my last name, Richards, so we were Richard & Richards) 66 is a real memorable number to stop on.” His mouth dropped open. “ONE MORE!?” he asked. I stood up, put on my jacket and told Richard “You’ll be able to console yourself by going home and crying on your huge bed of money.”
I did learn about making games in my time with Richard.
Aside from this stellar video (absolute banger my man, don't want to undersell that!) I gotta say your writing is fantastic, the sheer volume of genuinely funny one liners/throw aways, "wizard poker" and the like, is just incredible. KEEP UP THE QUALITY, kudos to you ;)
Enjoying the Gwent music. Lost many hours to the greatest game within a game.
Same. I made a rule that I can't play Gwent until I progress the story and level up
Theres another game in Gwent?
Beating hookers in GTA?
@@dissraps I dont get it.
The greatest game within the greatest game.
I don't know if it's a "Scandal" but the dude who got banned for doing the squat and prayer next to all the ass cracks is worth a mention
That's what the internet was made for. A joke that is so stupid that repetition makes it funnier
looking through your old videos to your new ones, it's crazy to see how much you've improved :] really inspirational stuff
At a lot of lower level events "rare drafting" is really common they almost never do well in actual play, but they're not really looked down upon, just drafting with a different purpose. Winning at a different game if you will. It can also be good for just building a personal collection and there's nothing wrong with that.
My play group has the perfect solution to rare drafting. It's called I bought the box this time so all the cards are going to me at the end anyways.
ManyKudos to start the day? I’m alright with this.
A fresh glass of ManyKudos is the FDA approved way to start every day
Loved the Gwent music in the background, fantastic video as always mate!
I absolutely love your cutaway ads. You always go above and beyond on your sponsorships.
Love the topics you're choosing my friend, always very interesting and so consistent! You're like a version of Internet Historian that actually posts!
Manykudos is now one of the few TH-camrs I drop whatever I'm doing to watch when he releases a new video
You'd let that fresh bowl of bran flakes shatter on the ground? For me? I'm honored
@@ManyKudos who needs fibre for regular bowel movements when I have you
I can’t count how many times I’ve walked into a comic shop with a magic the gathering tournament happening, and as I soon as I walk in it’s dead silent so everyone just glares at me as I slowly slink back out of the store in sheer terror.
In some ways, that sounds like a good setting for prank comedy (a la Impractical Jokers). Send in someone with the gall to intentionally try and piss those people off by doing increasingly socially awkward or bizarre things.
The downside is I don't know what they would do to the outsider.
@@janeeyre1990 I always wondered what would happen if a big boobed, full-skimpy-cosplay waifu, with all the "I'm just an innocent girl. Pweeese, hewp mee!"-mannerisms would walk into a scene like that.
3:48 its this kinda slight editing that makes me go "huh, weird eye." great job
Had many laughs, out loud, watching this video. Subbed, loved the line reads and added sounds. Cheers.
Hats off to the guy selling the card. You'd think WotC would relize that being able to own those cards would diminish the integrity of the game. My man pointed out the flaws of the system and made bank.
WotC has the official policy of not recognizing that the secondary market exists. They do that because knowingly selling cards that gave differing values in randomized packs could get them within the ire of gambling laws, particularly with the lootbox hysteria the last few years.
Now you might wonder why they maintain the Reserve List or have disparate pricing on Secret Lairs, and I would respond "Exactly"
@JayofLegend They can't openly acknowledge it, but they definitely still play into it.
Most Modern Masters Sets are full of bulk that no one cares about with maybe 3 or 4 reprints that coincidentally have very high value on the secondary market.
Optimists will say that it helps drive down prices on the market, which is good, but most agree that it's done mainly to incentivize people to crack packs.
It's also why the masterpiece series was done in Zendikar, Khaladesh, and Amonkhet and why WotC has shifted to printing borderless and alternate art cards.
@@OlympusPublicAffairs 1. They openly acknowledged the secondary market when they announced the RL, in the very first line even.
2. It's not just optimism, it's provable fact. The fetchland reprint drove prices down the lowest in years, some below $20
@JayofLegend They openly acknowledged it back in the 90s when it wouldn't have been seen as a big deal. It'd be much different if they did so today.
That said, putting your comment in a list format makes it seem condescending. Idk if that was your intent, but I just want to iterate that I'm not debating, being combative, or dismissing any of the points you're making. Just adding to the discussion.
@@LegendLeaguer Thats because "knowingly selling cards that gave differing values in randomized packs" Is and has always been gambling. Its just not being regulated because the people making the laws are 80+ years old.
It's a great day when Many Kudos posts a new video.
Please keep this series going!
Got a ton of great Many Scandals in the pipeline, can't wait for you to see them mate!
It looks, in the first clip, like Alex's card got returned to his hand with Jace's -1 ability.
Curious how that worked out, if true. Kira auto counters the first ability that targets it. Would need to see the full game I guess.
@@CKarasu13 oh my gosh, thank you. Finally someone explains it. Didnt realize it was spells and abilities. That was my bad.
@@armyofmeh Yeah. There was a reddit thread about the cheating incident. A cursed scroll was used to kill kira. The jace was bait.
8:55 so my dad is a magician and is completely able to still get the cards where he wants them even with cutting the deck it’s really insane
I don’t know why but I’m addicted to watching cheaters in games.
They were caught
Its the sheer fascination of: Bro, why? Why are you doing this?
Digging some filth here and there 😉
I think it's interesting for honest people, because we get to see all the sneaky shit that we would never think of
I can't wait for league of legends' many scandals next month!
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I'd like to thank you for the Gwent music in the background of the video! Very nice touch and reminded me I need to get back into Gwent!
"Fun" fact from the rulesharking world of Yu-Gi-Oh, back when I played: In Yu-Gi-Oh you have specific zones to place your different types of cards in. As long as you place a monster in a approriate Monster zone, in the appropriate Battle Position, it doesn't matter exactly which of the monster zones you place it in. It's therefor quite common for players to move their cards around between correct zones, in the fiddly type of way to make it "feel" better, for symmetry or similar reasons, most people doing this without thinking.
Now, there are however a few cards in Yu-Gi-Oh which cares about WHICH of the correct zones your place the cards in, the one I mainly heard people using for this being Sennet Switch. Sennet Switch reads "Once per turn, during your Main Phase, you can move 1 monster on your side of the field to an adjacent (horizontal) unoccupied Monster Card Zone." As soon as you play this card, or any other card that actually cares about zones in this fashion, the rule kicks in that moving cards for any other reason is direct cheating. Thus, people would sideboard cards like Sennet Switch, play them against an opponent after they'd moved their cards around, and call a judge on them for cheating. The judge had to give the opponent a game loss, since it was a very clear rules violation.
I have no idea if this has been fixed since then, buuuut... Yeah, shitty rules-sharking is shitty. :P
Moving a monster from one monster zone to another has always been outside or against the rules. You have 5 main monster zones and when you summon a monster you *pick* a zone to summon it to. Once it's there it's summoned to that zone. It used to not be super important but it was still a rule. As a house rule between friends I wouldn't care if my opponent wanted to change where their cards were but even before they added extra monster zones you couldn't just move your monsters around legally in tourney.
Love that this is scored by the gwent music
The BEST card game music, hands down
Not a scandal, but still something goofy about the game I love.
There is a creature in Magic the Gathering named "Abyssal Persecutor" which has incredibly good stats for its mama cost. However, it has the downside effect of "You can't win the game, and your opponent can't lose the game" for as long as it's on the field.
The funny part is that official rulings for the card states "your opponent can still concede the game". Which I find quite humorous with imagining what it'd be like if that rilling wasn't there.
Imagine being stuck in a perpetual game of Magic because you somehow get in a position where your opponent can't remove it at all
Great video glad I found this channel and ooh just looked at more vids and i like gonna be a easy day at work today
That's a seriously great ad roll. Props for making it so entertaining!
The “I spent 5,000 usd on a budget card deck” virgin vs The “I printed it out on paper” chad
Haven't watched yet but I'm super excited already there are some shit shows in Magic's history
Update: great video as expected I'd love to see a crack gate and the dude who won a tournament on shrooms included in the next video.
Great suggestions, I stumbled upon both of those while researching and would love to talk about them in the next one
@@ManyKudos dude from Crackgate is pretty chill and you could probably manage to get him in love somehow
Many, many years ago WotC offered a Gaming Summer Camp type of thing and two of my best friends attended. Mark Justice had been retained by WotC as a coach for the attendees. His classic advice included things like: Lie about your life total to your opponent and draw more cards than you're supposed to.
So him buying a fourth Muscle Sliver is absolutely par for the course.
I have never in my life moved back to a commercial after meaning to fast forward through it on a TH-cam video…. You do what you do very well and efficiently. Subbbbbbbbed
On that last one, can't really blame him - paying your rent is objectively more important than winning a card game
We only had one kid in school that cheated regularly. We ultimately would just pick up our cards and play someone else without any explanation to him. Instead of not cheating, he just stopped bringing his cards to school and never said anything about it.
As someone who won a junior super series and then got stomped in two adult grand prix at the adult level, I am so excited for this episode. I still take part in booster drafts (I give my cards to kids at the draft after we are done), and I still have a ton of fun in the process. Also, MTG made me a great poker player, due to the "4 of a kind cards in a deck" and having to run percentages in game
This video was so well done I subbed, please please make more magic content. Also the Ad was absolutely top tier.
I side boarded before a game knowing the matchup. Honestly didn’t know you couldn’t do that, but it was completely on me to look up. I was a very new player and thought it was clever, should have known it was illegal. I admitted to it, apologized and took the loss and never did it again
Lmao I didn’t know that was against the rules either
7:09 Mark Justice's story is actually really sad. Mark was originally just a talented player who caught Wizard's attention. In order to promote the game, Wizards built mark up as a champion, hoping to attract players who wanted similar prestige.
Naturally, Mark was happy to be the mini-celebrity, but the pressure got to him almost immediately. The stress of maintaining the reputation that Wizards forced upon him led Mark down a slippery slope including substance abuse and the cheating incident. The sad part was that Wizards dropped Mark like a hot potato. Fortunately, Mark's successor, John Finkel turned out fine.
Bertoncini has a pretty interesting meta-history with a couple cards that have been printed since he started playing; bear with me here
Arguably his most well known cheat is the "two explores" incident caught on camera (you can find footage on YT if you just search two explores). Explore is a card that lets you draw a card, and play an extra land in a turn. Alex took this to mean "if I cast one, but tell my opponent I actually cast two, I can just do this effect twice." Alex was also quite well known for his affinity for playing a Merfolk deck, which you can see in this vid during the Kira cheat. In MtG, players can receive their likeness immortalized on a card if they win special tournaments, colloquially referred to as that players invitational card (Dark Confidant, for example, is Bob Maher's invitational card, the original printing features his face, and the card is even referred to as Bob by many players).
Bertoncini is the only player that I know of to have the honor of having two unofficial "invitational cards." Kiora, the Crashing Wave, is a planeswalker card with an ability that lets you draw a card and play an extra land for the turn, just like Explore, and you can activate that ability twice before the card dies. On top of this, in the lore, she's a merfolk, leading some people to refer to this as the Bertoncici Invitational Card. 4 years after Kiora was printed, and before Alex's final ban, WotC printed Jadelight Ranger, a card that is literally a merfolk, and has an ability named Explore that happens twice when it enters play.
Did you catch the easter egg at 1:13?
As a former WOTC employee and magic player since 94
I enjoyed this video soooooo much
Cheers 🍻!!
"Unlike the version of him that checks Twitter daily, Borborygmus Enraged" goddammit
The Borborygmos one is just a really well executed angle, but it's honestly baffling that he decided to do that AFTER already deciding to split.
Winning the tournament would have secured him spots in higher level tournaments.
This video needs a remaster every year
Every week actually lmao
3:52 dude the way you subtly warped alex's face made me feel like I had accidentally eaten some shrooms. way to go lol
I think it’s super easy for those guys to get on Twitter to pretend they would have passed on a free 2k and a another to see them actually do it in that situation.
That technicality one is a hard one... I don't think either of them were malicious, but it did leave a bad taste in my mouth. I do, however, respect that they shared their winnings.
One of my friends is constantly playing magic in class and I always ask him to get red eyes black dragon
You are pretty darn hilarious - even when doing videos that I have no idea what they're about. Subscribed.
I fucking love this channel.
Your like a quality TH-camr that actually uploads xd
Me lad has returned! Thank you for the bloody amazing content as always
Hey - that guy playing the teacher/tournament head/whatever is a pretty damn good actor. Good job, guy!
Definitely need a sequel mate! Good stuff
I remember back when I was first getting into competitive yugioh, I was using a gouki deck (it was meta but I was not using a build that was at all competitive), I then go against this guy that was apparently quite infamous for cheating, he got basically the same starting hand and every game, 3 copies of the same card with only 1 search each turn, as I'm heading out I say to one of the regulars about it and they said "yeah he's really scummy, stay away from him, did you cut his deck?" and I'm fairly certain I didn't because I was too scared to ask and everyone else would push it towards me to let me know I needed to.
Also had a recent tournament where a judge just straight up told someone what to do, to be fair it WAS a kid but if I'd lost the game cause of that I'd have been mad
I'd love to see you report on Crack Guy. The jokes would write themselves.
Nice video. Solid production and good fresh content
Alex Bertoncini putting the 2nd copy of Kira Great Glass-Spinner back in his hand instead of in his graveyard sounds like Yu-Gi-Oh Infernity players placing their cards in the Spell & Trap Zone instead of in the Graveyard. The archetype after that, funnily enough, were the Artifacts, who utilized being placed in the Spell & Trap Zone.
Ah this needs an update.
I don't quite know why but I get a sudden urge to play Gwent...
The stories are fun, but your 21st Century showmanship takes it to the next level. Always funny, always informative, deeply entertaining. Love your stuff, man!
Those last two I don't blame them at all. The first because that rule hadn't been accounted for yet, and the second because that's part of Drafting's appeal. The cards you choose are yours. You're drafting primarily for this draft, but the greed you have for cards either valuable or strong for your other decks still exists and can pull the player's desires away from the game.
Traumatizing story time...
I was playing my very first Dominaria draft back in 2018.
I will never forget my second game of that draft.. I was warm, and I told my opponent that I was new to the game and drafting scene.
An opponent had a Darigaaz, Reignited. That creature had trample right?
Everytime he blocks with it, any excess damage Darigaaz did was dealt to my face "because that's how trample works, trust me".
Needless to say I lost that game because I was too scared to attack.
I then lost game 3 too.. but I cant forget that guy who lied to my face. He won the special prize (7 boosters) while I had to settle for my consolation prize of a single, dinkly booster.
...scummy people, these lot.
I didn't think anyone was going to beat Internet Historians ads, but you've done it you crazy s.o.b
These are my favorite history lessons. Love the scandal videos, would love to see a part 2 of terrible banned subreddits