The Game Dev Who Stole From His Players
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Jed Sanderson, also known as Mod Jed, almost got away with the heist of a lifetime. Employed by Jagex, the company that makes Runescape, he was able to access back-end developer tools to hack into players accounts, and make off with their hard-earned gold. Given the liquidity of Runescape gold, he could have easily flipped this for over $250,000 - but that isn't all. Many people in the Runescape community believe he also helped leak info to his clan, Reign of Terror, to help them lock down the highly-lucrative revenant caves, as well as he providing information that could well have lead to their victory in multiple official Deadman mode tournaments. In this video, we explore the allegations made against him - and the misbehavior that led to his firing.
00:00 - Intro
03:04 - Leaking Information
06:26 - DDoSing
08:33 - Stealing $250,000 Worth of Gold - เกม
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This jed dude looks like an AI generated the ‘world’s best mmo player’ and then got insulted for doing so.
All i'm saying after looking at his mug...i wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to sell me snake oil.
He looks like a guy who wanted to be emo but his mom didn't allow him to dye his hair black
@@BigBoyga real.
He kinda looks like if you ordered Drew Gooden on wish
@@tfg_grizzly that's surprisingly accurate
i think he looks like every result from the search "skinny white guy stock image" spliced together like a horrific amalgamation
As a Venezuelan who loves tales of MMORPG drama, I'm very interested in the whole, "Venezuelan mercenaries revolting against their masters" story
So good lol
Look up the history of the revenant caves in Runescape to understand that story.
Oh buddy this is just the tip of the iceberg
Viva Venezuela
I doubt any venny says anything more than “hola”
Erasing anything untradable on the account you're hacking to steal from is like a burglar setting your home on fire on the way out, just to fuck you over *completely.*
It's even worse tbh. You have insurance on your house
I can't believe a reasonable, rational judge allowed Jed to change his name to avoid the consequences of his long history of malfeasance. He should justly be blacklisted from any job involved with computers, gaming, technology, or any level of trust.
He abused his position as a video game moderator. People do far worse and change names, but don't worry, any real job will do reference and right to work checks that will require him to disclose former names, so it won't do him much good for any reputable employers.
well its not as bad as vrchat devs we cant even get them to court the FBI is corrupt and involved CIA and NSA have been protecting me from them under the guise of godly miracles
ok but do you have 99 woodcutting though
I do. I spent almost an entire year doing nothing but cutting magic trees, used the gold to pay for the subscription, all other levels were below 3
You missed the part where mod jed coded a secret mechanic into the revenant caves which not even other jmods knew about. If you killed monsters in there while skulled they dropped better loot. The only people mod jed told about this was RoT. This was not discovered by the player base until much later.
That was Mod Reach no?
@@itsryanski2355 no it was jed
Didn't we always know that? I mean that skulling made the loot better, not that he did it nefariously.
@@ThisWillNotBeMyName I believe it was hidden until a few streamers found out and started asking questions then jagex released it
That wasn't a secret. Rev caves existed in RS2 and the same mechanic was present their. On release most players assumed this mechanic existed in the OSRS rev caves as well.
I worked with several ex Jagex staff members and god, I should get them to write up their wild tales
Absolutely you should young man
There is an entire demographic of people on YT who love that kind of lore. Do it!
Please do! Would love to hear more!
@@CommieApe Where
Methinks NDA agreements would put a kibosh on this
He appears in the video a few times but Mod Mat K was a real one when he was with the company. He now has his own channel where he creates some of the most unique and entertaining Old School RuneScape content on TH-cam in which he exploits mechanics to do some of the most ridiculous stuff I've seen in the game.
Edit; the channel I'm referencing is actually Mod Ronan's channel, I got mixed up and I can honestly say I'll never live this down. Matt K is still a real one though.
What is his channel name?
@@mukyuuhikuu the channel is called "Guide" Might I recommend the "RuneScape nuke" videos? They're actually amazing. Trying to kill Corporeal Beast with a bunch of level 3s hahaha
Shoutout to Mat K! Seemed like a good bloke from the interviews I saw while researching this
@@leon6777 Thx m8, gonna check him out now cause he seems like a lad
@@leon6777 thats mod ronan
Ex Mod Mat K said Jed was one of the only people he ever met where he saw evil in his eyes. Disturbing coming from such a grounded guy.
He didn't met Felipe Calderon
@@solouno2280 exactly, so the original point stands.
This felt like a documentary version of the many scandals vids and I loved it
ManyDocs
This is gunna be the format going forwards!
@@ManyKudos So just one focused, or connective scandal per episode?
@@ManyKudos ooh
@@ManyKudos fuuuuuuck yes
His actions are borderline illegal, he should be thankful that he avoided jail time, but he has audacity to sued jagex 🤯
oh well
Someone brazen and petty enough to go to such lengths to cheat in a video game probably has no qualms about doing the same thing irl
@@guy-sl3kr It's a big difference imo. Irl comes with much more severe consequences. Gamers are pusilanimous, and are usually poorly disciplined and rarely ever trained in any combat sports, cheat someone in irl and you're hoping that the person you cheat is also none of those things, but there's a much high chance than cheating gamers online.
The worst thing a gamer will do to you is dox you lmao.
What a rat.
They are absolutely illegal, tf you talking about
I don't even play these kind of games but kudos makes everything interesting thanks for the amazing videos
My goal is to appeal to everyone from hardcore players to people like you so I'm stoked its working 💕
@@ManyKudos You could make a video about the history of toilet paper and I would watch it at the edge of my seat lol
@@Kwauhn. The many SCANDALS of toilet paper!
@@ManyKudos You're doing a good job of it. I play Runescape casually and am not part of any clans so I never heard of this drama and it never affected me. Still interesting.
Why did "Jagex, the company that secretes runescape" get to me so hard
It's just pretty funny but I'm laughing like it's godfuck hilarious
The UK justice system gets a lot of rightful shit thrown at it, but forcing a company to pay a guy who stole 250,000 dollars worth of data from that company's clients and placing the blame onto other employees for wrongful termination is a deep low.
An employment tribunal is a very involved process with access to information you or I will never see. £1000 is a pathetic amount of money to be awarded in tribunal, so it's safe to assume it was a token payment for some minor oversight by Jagex during the dismissal.
Remember, it's possible to be the bad guy and still get treated illegally. If we don't follow process for everyone, eventually innocent people will fall foul of it
@@mattd6085 haven't got to the relevant part yet but curious, here if a wrong termination suit is won even if for a cent, with it comes the duty to rehire the person in perpetuity with no ifs or whats.
Good or bad the only choice for companies is to carefully make life hell so they resign on their own.
Can't imagine the hell it would be to retaliate against an employee that actively damaged your company, no charges stuck to them, forced to take them back and walk on eggshells to not get a retaliation lawsuit thrown your way again.
Unless legal can figure out it is easier to fight a hit allegation.
@@Mordecrox He didn't win a wrongful dismissal claim. The judge rightly said he was getting the sack no matter what. The £1000 was very likely due to some minor error Jagex made throughout the entire suspension and investigation, for which he was awarded a small sum.
Successful dismissal claims can run into the tens of thousands, i've even seen hundreds of thousands in a former place of work. He got a token sum and told to swivel.
In the UK, employees have incredibly strong rights and protections, but that means when an employer chooses to dismiss, you can be damn sure they have a good reason. Employers can't intentionally make life hell until someone quits, even a sniff of that and an employment tribunal will tear the employer a new one.
@@mattd6085 yeah finished it now, and kinda like the idea. Not very savvy about it but aware of a few landmark cases that guide managers to avoid a bad situation getting worse.
Hopefully I'm wrong here but one such case in the end results in "two wrongs makes a right" - tldr employee should be fired but interpretation of the contract go "they should have no access to this information so they shouldn't be aware of this fireable offense, therefore you can't act on it".
Lesson learned, all contract clauses should be spelled in excruciating detail. (It was successfully argued that gps tracking of vehicle and cargo didn't include the driver himself or something like that)
I don't see how he wasn't criminally charged. What he did was fraud.
One of your best videos ever IMO, love the new style of just focusing in on one scandal, good shit king
I LOVE YOU JAMES MILLER LETS START A PODCAST TOGETHER
Gay.
Well, I definitely want to hear about the apparent socialist revolt by those Venezuelan players.
I love me some Runescape history. It was a cornerstone of gaming in my childhood
Yeah..this came up on TH-cam and I was like damn...there's a name I haven't heard in a long time ...Runescape that is. Started playing it the year after it first went online, and sunk several years into it... most of my friends quit when WoW came out and they played that instead. I preferred Runescape's crappy graphics and - very cheap - membership price (£3 a month it was then). But I gave up too when I realised I was wasting my life, spent all night just mining rocks (yeah - no software used, i used to sit there and click on it MANUALLY!!)
The funny thing is if Runescape was invented today it would probably be some sort of "play to earn" crypto scam game. Yes literally (or virtually) mining to mine coins, aggghhhh I hate the internet
What was it like being autistic with a gay childhood?
4:11 cant wait to see how deep the venezuelans in runescape lore goes
Farming gold in OSRS is more profitable than an actual job in their country. It is unfortunate, but it’s what they have to do just to survive.
One of the neatest parts about clans controlling rev caves was the protection racket
They would take like 10mil or something for a specified timeframe (e.g. a week) and they would allow you to farm the cave and kill anyone who wasn’t paying for a spot; you’d more than make your money back because of the lack of competition
They charged either gold or real world money for protection and it's estimated that they made at least six figures
Very good content 👍
Shouldn't be a thing
There actually was a hidden mechanic which gave you mroe loot from the rev caves if you were skulled. Nobody knew about this except RoT and the other devs never actually planned on adding this mechanic so Jed was the only one who knew about it
0:30
“Abusing my access to the backend”
I had a date like that once
Runescape (both RS3 and OSRS) are basically an infinite well of content for the Many Scandals series. Love it, hope to see more in the future
also "double name change in real life" is a beautiful deep cut joke and I thank you for it
This is like franchise #3 that I've never engaged with, but watched and greatly enjoyed your videos about. Your vids are so much fun, and very well researched and produced.
Cheers Isaac, ya love to see it
what are the other 2?
Jed is the Drew Gooden we have at home
Real
"Jagex, the company that secretes Runescape"
Your sense of humor is amazing
5:10 ManyKudos predicting the future up in here.
1:23 Thank you for keeping this in. How is Runescape so full of drama with how it looks. I'm surprised and just kind of in awe... thanks for the video again!
BTW heard you and Historian kissin' in DnD... closer to that wedding, eh??
Despite the way it looks it's genuinely one of the best MMOs ever made and has maintained an active player base for over 20 years. The mechanics and graphics are super shitty and simple but because of a lot of technical limitations when making a fully fledged MMO based in Java and made to run in a browser the engine has a lot of quirks (bugs) that people have basically turned into game mechanics to the point that end game PvE content is basically based around what is essentially bug abuse. The skill ceiling on virtually every aspect of the game, from training skills, to PvP and PvE is actually extremely high contrary to what you'd expect. If you're a fan of MMOs and games with integrity and character I can't recommend trying it enough. All of this pertains to the "Old School" version of RuneScape. The modern version "RuneScape 3" is a mediocre soulless pay to win dumpster fire
Evil Drew Gooden:
I was a frequent rev cave farmer back in the golden era. Shit was so fun trying to bag as much as you could and get away alive with it.
Cheers for the informative and fun video mate! It amazes me that a company with a game as huge and popular as Runescape continued to run in such a shoddy and ramshackle way. It's a miracle they haven't been sued out of existence yet!
I saw the thumbnail and thought you'd made a video about an evil Drew Gooden clone
Imagine loosing your job and your reputation for fake game gold.
Some context behind this is that Jagex is located in one of the richest regions of the UK (Cambridge) but pays below industry standard. Most of Jagex's newer staff either live out of the area where the housing is cheaper (meaning hours long commutes to work, because you probably don't own a car) or are struggling super hard to make ends meet, or both. Add onto that RuneScape's laughable account security (passwords aren't case sensitive, both bank pins and 2FA is optional), and GP having a very real and stable real world value, and it's only a matter of time until something like this happened. Jed's main mistake was being high profile enough with PvP community that people already sussed him out, and taking waaaay to much in way too short a time. I have no doubt in my mind that more staff than Jed have done the same thing, just with more prowess. Peak a wealthy account's login with no 2FA or bank pin, write the information down somewhere, then come back months later and RWT that account's riches away and pocket at least a couple grand. Not saying I like the guy, and I think it's great karmic justice that his name is so soiled in the industry he had to get a name change, but... Jed was making £33,000 a year according to court documents and got away with an alleged £217,000. I don't know, getting nearly 6.5x my yearly salary, with the only risk being getting dismissed from this 20 year old British Java-based point-and-click adventure game that pays peanuts despite being on the rich side of town, doesn't seem like the worst risk if I was a Jmod.
Also, Jed never got prosecuted for taking an alleged $250,000 in real world dollaridoos because Jagex would have had to claim that OSRS GP has real world value, which Jagex had a lot more to lose from by making that a precedent in an official court document. For example, if Jagex claimed OSRS GP has real world value, then the Duel Arena would be considered gambling under law, which Jagex tried their best to avoid until this year when they were finally pressured by news sources and UK law to remove the Duel Arena.
Also also, there are rumors that Jed moved to Argentina to escape the law. This is false because Jed, as we just established, never broke a law, because changing OSRS pixels isn't illegal. Jed didn't even move out of the UK.
Had he not shat in other players' porridge with his own pet bully clan, his track record could be an uplifting tale about sticking it to the man in the environment of ruthless labor overexploitation.
This is the most important comment here.
Account security in this comment is now a moot point.
I've always been told that whilst in the UK if you win an Employment Tribunal with an instruction from the judge saying the company has to give you your job back there's actually nothing in the law saying the company actually has to act on that instruction so even if the Judge had agreed he should get his job back I don't think Jagex would have been forced to do so. Moot point though given even the judge was like "....yeah no on that part".
Depends entirely on the Judge, and employment Tribunals will only mandate re-employment if they believe there is a possibility it could actually work. Seeing as he had done exactly what the company accused him of there was no way he was getting the job back. The award was to all intents and purposes a slap on the wrist fine for the company not following proper procedure.
When heist stories used to be about guns and banks, now it's about members of online communities abusing company privileges.
I remember when thus happened.. alot of trust was lost between players/mods
I hope those ex employees who were wrongfully terminated also got, you know, compensated and rehired?
Keep the many scandals coming, love hearing about all the dodgy shit that goes on in games I've never played.
seriously, the production quality on this video is ridiculously high for this kind of thing and I'm already excited to see your other videos
Gnome child silhouette transition at the very beginning of the video is criminally underrated.
longtime RS player, current OSRS player. Knowing full well everything that happened I still enjoyed this. I laughed way too hard at "drizzle of scares" that had me rolling.
i've heard this one many time being a long time oldschool player, but you told it in a fun and engaging way and kept me entertained, nice one
i have never once played WoW, Run Escape, or WH40K, but you keep me interetsed in these Many Scandals™, keep it up! Many kudos to you, ManyKudos.
love this new format!! the deep dives are so fun
To be fair to Jagex re: Falador Massacre, compensating the players involved would've been a task virtually impossible to fairly and accurately accomplish.
And violates the golden rule of moderating. "If I can bend the game mechanics for a good reason, eventually they'll be bent for a bad one"
you are playing with so many effects, I keep expecting it to get distracting but you implement them well and don't linger on them; this feels well made, thanks for effort that goes into that
I can’t believe Drew Gooden would do something like this😢
Jagex is the story that never ends.
Woox just eating the fog damage lmao hahahaha 5:23
Awesome vid as always mate. The deep dives are great!
i've been binging your videos on and off for the past couple of days. great editing, great humour, and actually learning a lot
it's actually crazy that he impersonated other employees. that's a whole bag of worms on its own 👀
Your channel and Internet Historian are my favourite on TH-cam, I can binge watch your content for hours
I can't believe Drew Gooden would do this while maintaining a facade of friendly youtube rapscallion!
Gonna need a part 3 when the drama surrounding Mod Trident simping for a female scammer finally ends.
Love the RuneScape content man. Please keep it coming!
Out of topic but im really glad that you’re okay. I was really worried that you were Australian :(((( but when you mentioned that you were from new zealand (: i cried tears of joy. Im genuinely glad and happy for you
it was a near miss, but he's gonna pull through
Rather be Australian than from New Zealand or America.
@@aarons6935yikes spoken like an unwanted prisoner
Another great video about something I care little about, but your signature wit and intonation make it interesting.
I'm lying... I loved Runescape 😭
loving the runescape videos lately
Good vid! Really liking the many scandals!
A great look into these weird, brilliant and scandalous subcultures!
Dude your content is more exciting than waking up on Christmas as a kid and jumping onto 4chan to see how many more bottles that guy had filled with jizz over the year.
Holy shit that's a core memory I repressed.
Thanks? I guess lol
@@leon6777 Anytime.
@@Taragoola next thing you'll start talking about Mr hands/meatspin
It was so funny I had some really rare items, my account was banned after someone removed everything and then randomly my account was back but basically wiped to fresh start when I was pure archer mage. I had an original party hat cracker and all party hats and a pile of other stuff.
Love all these! Keep it up man!
That was a great video, mr. Kudos. I never even played RuneScape, but the vid got me hooked the entire time.
Aaand ive just binged nearly every vid from this guy and just found it this morning. GG
I am glad I never played runescape and avoided this situation.
Please do more of these RuneScape videos! They're really fun and there's a ton of RuneScape scandals to talk about
ngl bro you have quickly become my favourite content creator after i went to check you out from an internet historian video
Drew Gooden’s evil twin, Drew Baden
Sea shanty at the end was a beautiful touch 😂
100% of the blame falls on the company for not making sure the employees can be trusted with the power they are given, its basic shit to do, its the same with running a discord server, only give mod and admin to people who wont abuse it. it isnt that difficult
Regarding the intro: *Video games are serious buisness and deserve to be treated WITH RESPECT*
Real serious business?
Extremely serious business, so muvh that it could be featured in the award winning video "Serious business" by the internet historian.
@@jxw457 REAL SERIOUS BUISNESS!
That's some serious business.
Sounds like serious business
I was hoping this was another compilation of stories
So he was recovering accounts whilst admin logged as other employees, I'm guessing that's no longer something you can do, but the fact you ever could is crazy, guess that was a throwback to the early days.
"Jegex, the company that secretes runescape" 😆
I wasn't going to subscribe until the little animation where the click distorts his face. That sold me
I remember when this guy was first suspected by players I blew them of like 'Nah, no one would be that stupid to throw away what is essentially the DREAM JOB of any hard core Runescaper for clan clout!' Boy howdy was I wrong!
05:12 I think this was just a hiccup on Google because Forza Horizon 4 and 5 actually do have a battle royale mode called The Eliminator. It's a lot of fun and a clever implementation of the concept inside of a racing game.
These stories are gold
I played for years didn't know it was this guy but definitely felt like there was some unfair play for a while
"The investigation was biased against me because they had already figured out I was the one doing the crime and just needed evidence" is a hell of a defense can't believe it worked.
UK law has proven over and over again to be extremely unjust in its laws and its implementation just look at the bs sun lawsuit versus JD where JD sued the sun for defamation in the UK, the judge, whose son and possibly his wife too works for the newspaper, found in favour of the expensive toilet paper rag and because cronyism is rife amongst that legal system any attempt to appeal was automatically denied, so I'm not surprised that yet another judge involved in that legal system supports a criminal
Well shit I need to know about those Venezuelans taking over that cave
That sounds like a news article
I’ve seen a detailed video on it. Probably search and it will come up
Green dragons aren't even viable now because of them.
I'm not blaming the gold farmers, they're literally making a living from this because their country's currency is in such a dire state due to a corrupt dictator being in charge.
When I still played the game Venezuela had a nationwide power outage and the price for everything on the Grand Exchange(Old school RuneScape's stock exchange) nearly doubled as there was nobody farming the raw materials constantly. Was crazy stuff.
this video is really good and fun to watch and the edits crack me up XD
Idk why but Jed looks exactly like what an untrustworthy person would look like to me
Another interesting video, thanks for your hard work!
I thought that was Drew Gooden and was worried he was being cancelled
"usually" ha that man is a legend for the unnoting food and out healing the fog damage
Watched a bunch of your videos in a row. You're one of the funniest youtubers ive seen. Im shocked i hadnt come across your channel before!
Benn waiting for this one! Keep it up MK.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR MORE UPLOADS YOU BEAUTIFUL KIWI LEGEND
I love how he fights with Jagex about him getting fired when he was stealing and not following the rules of the game and his job lmao "I don't like how I was fired so I'm gonna sue" what a specimen he is
I mean, the first Deadman thing could be argued that anyone with an ounce of combat familiarity knows that a good choke point is invaluable. They could have just been holing up, not wearing themselves out, then move en masse and slaughter as the circle closed. As soon as I saw it looked like it was on a hill AND you mentioned a chokepoint, that's an excellent place to defend for a while and, if I were a dev, a really fun place to siege down as the walls close in.
Or they were cheating mofos.
lol "on a hill"
It’s very possible they had clan members staking out multiple choke points as the fog was closing in and just happen to get lucky when the final area ended up where it did. Tho I still fully believe Jed gave his clan a heads up, regardless or not it was just a poor spot to make the fog close in on. Im sure as the fog closed in any powerful clan left would have brute forced themselves in and taken advantage of the choke point.
2:40 "Jagex, the company that secretes Runescape" lol. You're my favorite Australian
**New Zealander* & I agree lol
@@favoritemustard3542 I know, i keep calling him that on purpose just to fuck with him lol. He seems like the kind if guy who'd get a chuckle out of it lol
"dripping with suspicion sauce and wrapped in char broiled coincidenc" wow u went mega mind with that one chief
now we got the whole Mod Trident + Stella debacle.
At 1st glance I thought it was Austin Evans on your thumbnail lmao.
I would have added in some code that if a character wears a certain combination of items, it changes the rev drop rate to 100%
Love the long-haired look, Kudos!!
Also, heck yea RoT had a hand in Jed’s scummy dealings. He bribed them with insider info into the survival mode and a key loot farm - how could they not be in his pocket, after that? But, as with anything else that happens like this (in the real world), they could disavow him as a rogue element, if caught in the spotlight. A few of them might have even seen how far he was going with it and made moves to get him noticed/turned in. Whether they, themselves, saw any benefit from these “transactions” would be interesting to know, if for no other reason than to formulate potential motives..
From what I understand RoT and Jed kind of needed each other - Jed obviously can't be winning DMM tournaments himself under suspicious circumstances, so instead he'd set up a member of RoT to take the victory and he would get a cut. When it came to hacking accounts he didn't have the ability to sell off such vast amounts of gp in a short period of time, so he'd use people in RoT who are already involved in the gold selling scene to do that for him and take a cut of the profits. Stuff like the revenant caves I think he hadn't gone full corrupt yet - I believe he made that content as an honest attempt to revitalize the clan pking scene which was largely dead at that point, and then I suspect his RoT friends convinced him to share information about the update for free.
This was one of the greatest times for drama in the osrs community
"Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"