Porsche 911 Carrera GTS 991.2 drive and drag race vs Carrera 4S
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- Let's take a spin in the new 991.2 911 GTS and compare it with the performance of my Carrera 4S
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Are you sure they were giving you thumbs up and not showing a middle finger saying "stop driving like you own the road bellend!"?
Either way... a middle finger is 'you are number 1"
As Seinfeld says, it's one finger away from a thumbs up
Lean punctuation before you mouth off Numpty.
Feel better now, boo boo?
The ONE - "learn" is the word you were looking for not "lean". You made yourself look like a right tit, didn't you.
Nick Murray - " The GTS is a package of everything unnecessary offered on the 911"
also Nick Murray - " I have a collection of casio calculator watches"
I am the way, the truth, the light.
After watching this, I agree, the GTS would be a pass for me. I'd save the money and buy his car, speced with a PDK and an aftermarket tune.
Looks like he was making a sandwich between every shift
Alex Chavez lmao
Turkey on rye
Alex Chavez that's how the Kiwis shift it's the cultural difference
Alex Chavez you made me happy today thanks
Legit made me laugh
A GTS has a bunch of unnecessary add ons? Says the guy with the seatbelt outlet trim in leather for $550, steering column casing in leather for another $500 and model designation stamped into the armrest for $350. Personal taste is ALWAYS considered unnecessary by other people.
AmericanPsycho73 well said
Not to mention AWD and a cream leather interior 🤦♂️
True dat
@@jstoli996c4s that cream leather is hideous
Westy yes I agree
The GTS guy just cannot shift
He literally had the car for a week. Give that poor guy a break.
Ok, GTS is much faster anyways ;-)
And he doesn't watch Nicks videos :) Alcantara steering wheel + miami blue!
I don't mind Alcantara but I'm with Nick on the subject of Miami blue. lol
I think he’s right about the Alcantara, looks so so when it’s new, when it’s a few years old can look horrible.
I would however order the PDK and sport PASM with full leather interior.
Nick, what I love about your reviews is that you always provide a detailed & very honest take on all cars. So even though you 're a Porsche and a BMW guy, you're not afraid to admit when something is wrong with them or when a competitor does it better. But yet you're still positive about the whole experience...
Nick in my country the center lock wheels would be and advantage in my country because it will avoid wheel thiefs
You just gotta worry about the rest of the car being stolen haha
Basically you are explaining how much you hate on the 911 Carrera GTS in a polite way 😂
I was trying to explain that the GTS is clearly the fastest Carrera but at the cost of being the least fun Carrera to own and drive
haha does he know how to Drive manual this guy ???? haha plus expectedly Nick was bashing the GTS ;), in the right hands the GTS will walk the 4s
You know it! :)
luimarco lmao i am subscribed to both of you. never thought id see you here. slaute both of you :p
Yazan A. Luimarco knows what's good
Yazan A. me too, feeling weird
I salute this opinion
Hello Nick!
As an M4 owner, i had come across a few of your M4 videos before. Now that i've placed my GTS order, more of your videos came up on my 911 GTS searches.
Since, apparently, we tend to like the same cars, i just subscribed to your channel.
Personally, i like the GTS, not only for the once more prestigious series name badge, but also for all the sports oriented extras it gives me at a cheaper price, with the wider body (i don't like 4wd).
By the way, i like the fact you also went with the manual transmission. All my fun cars have to be manual!
The GTS is by far the best "normal" 911.
The new T is,this guy should have got one..
The GTS is the fastest normal 911, it is not the most fun to drive or the easiest to live with.
I think the best would be a base 911 RWD manual. I really don't think you wan't to drive cars that are super stiff on public roads.
Jeff K I agree
Only because it’s the one I’ve got 😄
Isn't a regular c4s with the sportkit upgrade to 450hp the same speed?
THANK YOU Nick for mentioning what others seem to be scared to mention - the turbo LAG is a big problem with the higher HP engines.
I love how Nick compares the cars side by side. He's saving me a lot of money on my builds by dropping to a lower model and going for the 4 way seats over the 18 way seats.
It's funny how Nick always catches up with the GTS in the gearshifts! I wonder why?
Oh man...I always forget you only have around 120k subs....This channel deserves a lot more than that because the quality of your videos are amazing! Keep up the good work and I can't wait to see your channel grow!
Excellent and really interesting review. Very helpful to see the real difference between the acceleration of these two, thanks
Nick won a drag race! omg.
Thanks, this helps with my research on which to buy
Talk about a knee jerk reaction... Went out and bought it that week?? At least I waited over a month!!🤣
Interesting video Nick. I also had to make the choice of 2S or GTS. Went with the 2S and am loving it. PASM -10 still needs some care, a further -10, plus longer overhang would definitely require a lot of caution and the $A6k front lift option in Sydney. That doesn't make for a relaxed daily driver. I was also a little sceptical about the alcantara and the dull look of the satin black centre locks. The RS Spyder wheels take a little more effort to clean but look great when you do. Overall, although you get a discount with the options in GTS pack, in my case it offered a number of options I was not fussed about. The S with PDK and sport chrono is way fast enough for my licence. Love your channel!
Great video Nick, those who have struggled between the C4S & GTS (first world problems I know) will find this video helpful.
+1 for the C4S front active vents / aero. Radiator doesn't become a giant leaf collector during the fall / winter seasons. I had to put in customer made grill for my Cayman to stop debris from collecting there.
Nick's channel has basically just become an ever-so-slightly classier version of 1320 video.
Awesome job, Nick! Watching you row through those gears makes me wanna go out and buy a manual car.
Just got my all black 991.2 GTS RWD Coupe PDK. Love it :-)
Only thing i am thinking in these videos is those people behind you when driving on the motorway side to side.
Great job Nick!
Lots of great 911 info there. Thank you.
You can get standard 5 lug wheels on the GTS as a no cost option.
Just picked up a 2018 GTS CPO in E. Hartford CT and I’m already obsessed! 🤪😍🔥🤙🏻
I LOVE that you're using classical music in your Vlogs
I love that color!
NIck! Much better shifting than last time, I'm proud of you!
Pretty much my dream GTS spec, only thing I would add is the carbon ceramic brakes
The thing I like most about these videos are how ppl spec or just buy an existing 911. It amazes me how one car can be so many different ways. I don’t think Nick would like the options I’d pick at all.😂
Nick you make a great point on the size of the turbos and responsiveness vs power. As enthusiasts, we’d like both....but as you’ve mentioned elsewhere, the output of the 911s (up and down the range) is enough-to-more-than-enough. So, I’d wager the base motor would be my favorite too.....if only it came in a manual!
Keep up the good work!
I really love how you remind people that your opinions are just that your opinions and everyone’s vary! I love the GTS but as you said it’s not for everyone. Great review thanks!
Rick
Great comments and pov - thanks Nick
Excellent and enjoyable review
Agree with your comments on the GTS!
Another excellent and helpful video... thanks! I do wonder why you chose the "S" model and 18-way seats when you are so positive about the base engine and the 4-way seats here.
18 way are the best, 4 way sport + are close second. S model comes with options you can not get on the base
That GTS is absolutely beautiful. 😍
Another good review Nick, I am a fan of the GTS after having the 991.1 4 GTS and the 991.2 Targa GTS but I can understand your comments on the power is marginally noticeable. I currently own the 991.2 Turbo S which is incredible
Ok Nick, you did it again! You can't hide your hate about the GTS... By the way, Euro delivery is back! I'm just coming from Europe where I did 6k road trip on a GTS and JES, never cross my mind having less power and less handling capacity. On the Nurburgring, it's was totally impressive and on the ALPS, never get tired because of the suspension, always super comfy even after full day driving. Did the German autobahn (where you MUST put the firm suspension setting at very high speed), Austrian, Italian, French and Swiss ALPS. Also the Mediterranean coastal roads and nothing to complain about the GTS. I was waking up at night and thinking: "Are we morning yet, are we morning yet"
Here some FACTS:
1. You CANNOT order a Carrera S with the wide body like the GT3 (4wd out of the question when you know how to drive and Porsche proved it by not putting the AWD on the GT3 and the GT2). This is enough argument to order a GTS right there.
2. On the Nurburgring (The absolute reference for sports cars), the GTS do it in 7m24s and the Carrera S in 7.34. 10 second faster, than the S and even faster than the Ferrari ENZO! This is great performance for just little more money than the S.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
3. The front lip RARELY touch the ground, only when I was doing the Stelvio pass because the turn was so tight and it was fun anyway to hear the front lip touching the alsphat because you take the curve too fast! By the way, the front lip is made of cheap black plastic and it's designed to be changed without spending big $.
4. On the autobahn, the GTS manual 7 speeds can do 200mph, not the S!
th-cam.com/video/k-nym4O7wt8/w-d-xo.html
5. About the Centerlock wheels, when you have a flat tire, you call Porsche assitance because you don't want a grease monkey touching your car anyway. Also, never heard you complaining about the Turbo S, GT3 or GT2 wheels (Centerlock also)... Finally, the rims are larger than the ones you can get on the Carrera S (.5 inches) so that's another things that is not possible to upgrade on a S.
6. The sound insulation is different on a GTS providing more engine noise inside the car. Also another option not available on the S...
7. About the black theme, I was prepared to add all those option on the S before the announced the GTS so it's a huge $ saving to have it all on the GTS. If you don't like it, you can change it to std config as well as the Alcantara interior for 0$
8. The GTS represent the most desirable 911 to drive on roads for performance/confort and you can also take it on the track, it will perform pretty good. The GT3 is really tough to get and a lot more expensive. Turbo and Turbo S are 4wd and PDK only so only for baby boomers (no offense).
Keep making videos Nick so I can correct you when you talked about the 911 GTS :)
Regards.
The GTS is the Jar Jar Binks of the 911 range. You know it, I know it, we all know it : )
AWD are for PORGS :)
To give you a more complete answer... I totally agree with all your points (well aside from 3 and 8) of course the GTS is faster as I said in the video, my point is that to get the small amount of extra performance you sacrifice some of the fun, joy and convenance of owning and driving a 911. A GTS is faster but back to back the base Carrera is more fun to drive every time.
Fact #3, I think the front lip might hit the road in city driving (speed hump, etc) but didn't experience it in GTS driving (Grand Touring Sport). That might explain our different experience between Nick & I. By the way, Nick 911 front lip looks more damaged than the GTS one... Probably because the GTS is new, I know. Finally, Porsche offer the front axle lift option so not a real problem since there is a solution when you ordered. GT3 and GT2 are way worse and Nick do not bitch about them, why is that possible? (see my explanation at end of Fact #8)
Fact #8, the GTS is a Grand Touring Sport, if that's your kind of usage, it's the car for you. You do racetracks, buy a GT3 or a GT2. You do city driving most of the time, bought a Carrera. If you bought a Carrera S before the GTS was available, do like Nick, bitch about the GTS...
@@claudeauclair4771 damn you're aggressive aren't you ?
The Carrera is wide enough for the 991 and you're actually saying Porsche Assistance will help with the annoying centre locks which cost a lot to replace. It is faster because of the power kit engine like a simple tune, not a specific engine like the GT3. GTS is extra harsh and if you like the front lip scrapping dont expect others to agree too. Sure the GTS is the sportiest Carrera but its in no way a special specific built Carrera like the GT3, when you can option out the same thing in a S. It's a package model simple as, a sporty package model with so called race options.
Great video, I love Miami Blue. Surprised to here the owner traded in his AMG GTS. I recently reviewed the AMG GT R and that car was a beast on the track
Good video nick , currently have a gts on order and would appreciate you're opinion on the difference between 20mm/10mm suspensions ride quality?
Thanks in advance
Nick, you didn't "loose", you won!
Love Tui sleeping right through the whole thing. Thanks Nick!
pfft no problem with the center lock. Mine came with an adapter and the center lock is sexy
These two cars with manual transmissions & non professional drivers
almost invalidate the experiment, The GTS was clearly the faster, you
can see it pull ahead between gear changes, the GTS driver seemingly
messed up every gear change. I'd expect the more commonly supplied PDK
semi auto gearbox cars to produce a different outcome and in favor of
the GTS.
see what you mean
Why does anyone have a manual box when the PDK is so good,
Yes I think he even started in a lower gear than me each time so he would pull ahead and then have to change. I think the interesting part is that when both in 4th gear side by side the GTS did not pull ahead.
I also should have said well done for making the effort to do this, another pointer to my slight bias is that my GTS is on order and I've optioned the PDK,
The manual box is just more fun, and once you master it nothing else compares. There is nothing like banging through the first few gears and nailing every shift. Takes practice though.
Though the power difference is only about 7 percent between the GTS and S, there would be more to be gained with a software tune (On the GTS) due to the larger turbos being able to flow more on the top end.
Very interesting outcome Nick!! I tried doing the same kind of video here in the Uk between my lightweight 964 and a 997S.. they were close but no way I can put it on youtube..would probably be arrested.. we just don't have traffic-less dual carriageways here.. it's a nightmare of cars everywhere. You think theres a tiny gap and then a Polo pops up to spoil it. Great vid, really interesting result..
Gotta love miami blue! You must be quite an extrovert to get it though, there is a turbo s in my area with this colour and it turns heads like nothing else
I'm totally into the color, looks good
Love Miami blue, one of my favorites! Is this the '17 that was at Towne Porsche in NJ? I looked at that one hard for a few months before getting my 991 Turbo (which I no longer have). Anyway, beautiful car, that color really makes it great.
Nick, do you think the glass roof works with lighter colors like Miami Blue? I’m not sure I like the contrast as it distracts from the basic 911 shape.
I swear you are the man! You always come through. It was disappointing to see the end result though. You helped save me money on buying a gts.
I reckon the owner is not acclimated to the car yet (traction off), it should definately be faster or it's just more for the track.
Nick when are fitting an aftermarket exhaust your car needs it
Great review nick
Great Video Nick. Miami Blue in photos looks either light blue or even a shade of green in others. Does the video represent the colour accurately? Thinking about a Carrera T in Miami Blue but cant find a 911 in the colour to see in person.
Nick great vid thank you! This is the decision I'm thinking right now except I'd be looking at 991's - I tend to think the outcome would be the same with the n/a engine after seeing this - what would you say? I know it's guessing but...?
Love the color on that car, looks really good. Maybe one day I'll add a Porsche to my stable, currently the Type R is my best car!
love the Miami blue!!!
Great vid nick!
"..ketchup all over a sirloin steak" - Best line ever lol!
I know an orange orangutan in a big white house that likes ketchup on his sirloin lol
Can’t wait to see you review the 911T, Nick. With buckets and brakes, it’s probably the second best car Porsche make.
Why didn't you get the Carrera 4 Nick? With that base engine.
I know one thing for sure. The GTS will hold its value much better than the C4S.
Nick always tells the ladies "We will go over the stats when we get back to my place."
I very much like your rear wiper.
Nick, just subscribed after stumbling across your channel a few weeks ago. Really enjoy the P car stuff when I am not wasting away my life on the configurator. How about a comparison of your friends tuned C4S and the GTS? In your test of a C4S vs tuned C4S video there was a huge difference but here you say the GTS hp increase is not very noticeable.
The tuned C4S wipes the floor with the GTS as well. The really interesting thing is the tuned C4S against the tuned GTS where there is also so little difference it comes down to driver skill
I have a 997 4s please if you can do a comparison of your car and the 997 4s would be amazing .
İn the 2nd drag race im pretty sure the gts started in 1st gear whereas nick was in 2nd utilizing the tork downlow and avoiding an extra shift ;)
Does wheels curb rash comes standard with a new GTS or is your friend a really great driver?
Nice job in this one. I'm about to purchase a new 911 GTS Cabriolet , in Miami blue. Love the car.
John G hows the ground clearance compare to a base Carrera
John G also I'm thinking of a AMG gtr but is it really a gas guzzler like they say want to do a vacation take off need to know if to bring gas with me just in case no gas station
It could also be possible that your C4S just has a "healthier" engine than most other C4S's? How many miles has that GTS done? Could still be a bit tight.. Great review though! keep em coming!
Scott Cowan I think the driver was a bit tight.
Hey Nick, what is the ride quality and road noise of the GTS v the 997.1 like. Thanks Man.
Hurray! Nick won one!
Hi Nick, there is one thing, that should be kept in mind. There have been dyno-tested several stock GTS and Carerra S in germany and the Carrera S had a range from 423 hp to about 440 hp. The GTS had a range from 451-476 hp. All cars were completely stock! So if you compared a good Carrera S at the top of the range with a GTS at lower range, it is no suprise at all what happened. So this only makes sense if you dyno-check the cars before testing. My GTS - also a manual -for ex. had measured 469 hp stock. And by the way after some little adjustments (exhaust + air filter) it now has 492 PS. :-)
Love the Miami Blue 👌
Great review. I’m still a bit confused on which 991.2 models have wider rear ends. GTS yes. Not the C2S or 4S? Finally, for the money, I’m interested in missing the largest turbo swap possible in stock location. Does this mean the Carrera T is the car for me? Minus the wide rear end? But then need AP Racing brakes. Sooo..maybe GTS or C2S after all?
Miami blue is just gorgeous!
Nick Porsche has a center lock torque wrench that can fit in the front trunk
Lmao I listen to the same classical music in Nick’s intros to study for IT certs
Nice video Nick! Was the GTS broken in? (I hope). Nice driving, you were clearly the winner.
BTW, I heard the Highway Patrol put out a NOTAM on you guys!
Hey Nick, we should meet up when spring comes and race our cars :) If you got spanked by the GTS (Merc) then it should be closer with my car
You are on. : )
Deal
fuck yeah people will love to see these 2 youtubers collide :D
Where is that race?
Did this ever happen?
Nick, nice job with pointing out the differences between the S/4S and GTS models. If you were in the market for a 911 Turbo/Turbo S, which one would you recommend? Thanks
I personally prefer the Turbo over the Turbo S, just because it is more fun to drive, on US road, if I lived where it could be opened up then the S is the one.
Looked like dude in the GTS was over there double clutchin like the movie told him to....lol.
I was hoping you could share the difference between this and performante.
Do you have any exterior or interior detailing done on your 911?
Hit a few curbs looks like with those wheels
I am absolutely delighted with my 10 week old GTS in GT silver. With a GTS you still need to order a custom build though and I find the long wait really tries my patience. I use mine every day so I have PASM -10mm rather than S-PASM -20mm. I have black leather with 18-way seats in place of the 4-way alcantara that come as standard. I have a torque wrench and break bar kit in a nice neat case that fits perfectly in the trunk; I bought it on Amazon. My options added 21 percent to the price and include adaptive cruise and blind spot monitoring, front axle left, glass sunroof, PDK, multi function steering wheel, keyless entry and drive and rear wheel steering. I also have power steering plus, folding mirrors (I set them to turn in when the car is locked so I can tell at a glance if it's locked) rear wiper and comfort lighting. I also added some purely cosmetic bits including brushed aluminium trim, silver belts, aluminium PDK shifter, crests on the seat backs and stainless door sills because the standard ones are too short. I left the GTS logo on the doors and the rear end but it does look a little busy and had I ordered a 4 GTS I would likely have trimmed it back to just 911. If I was ordering it today I would add ventilated seats.
Vented seats are priceless during the summer months, especially on dark colored cars with dark interior.
Hi Nick. Love your videos👌🏻
Have a question for you. What options do you have to check off, to get all the buttons in the center consol? Your bying a 100 k+ car and i think it just looks cheap with the plastic buttons with no function. Sorry for my english, Im from Denmark😁
There is not way to fill the buttons in any of the 911 models. The max is about 1/2 the buttons
You should do only Porsche videos I love it!
Great fun! I have never considered that my 4S would be faster than a Gts. I wonder if the 4S with the double clutch woul does better because it would eliminate the “time lost” in switching gears. I also agree with Nick-the base 12:53 Carrera. the most fun in sudden acceleration is the base. Nick give us a review of the hybrid 911. Can wait to drive test one of them.
It's the Sweet Spot of the 911 Line-Up
Hi Nick, there appears to be quite a few manuals in the 911 line up now. I think it would be really interesting to do a comparison between the 911 T, 911 GTS and 911 GT3 Touring. They later two are not so dissimilar in price and the 911 T uses the base 911 engine which as you say is really good and powerful enough in the real world.
I think the GTS and GT3 are quite dissimilar, the T and the GTS are closer.
*_My favorite road focused supercar Porsche_*
Hey Nick, I love your conclusion about the carrera being more fun to drive than the carrera S, do you think this is valid for the 997.2 911?
No I think the 997.2 S is the one!
Thanks!
I would get a ticket everytime I drive like Nick does!