What are the Ups and Downs of Being a Goth?
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- A special Professor M video on the positives and negatives of being in the Goth Subculture. A very special thank you to Lauren who inspired this video based on a comment that was the inspiration. Come learn the 15 plus and 6 minuses of the culture today and how awesome being a Goth in Gothdom really is.
Dear Professor M., thank you for this video. These last few years I find myself hesitating sometimes to go on the internet because I know I'm going to see a lot of angry people. You made an effort to count our blessings for us. The facts are: yes, people will stare; and yes some darlings get carried away when they feel something they value is being threatened. At 56 I shrug my shoulders and leave the bickering to people who have the time and energy to spare. But sometimes I just don't want to be a witness because it's a show I've seen so many times before. The circus may be dark but, come on, folks, please do make it boring. So thank you for being a wise and positive influence.
Samuel~ " You made an effort to count our blessings for us" Golly, thank you. I'm 52, and so you know the 80s well. This "At 56 I shrug my shoulders and leave the bickering to people who have the time and energy to spare" is so where I am not in my 50s. I have left so much behind, time is so valuable. After losing a parent this last year, and other stuffs, its like 'why argue/debate anything, if it doesn't do anything uplifting' my motto for the last 30 years has been 'why suffer?' which just means, if you are hungry- eat. If you are tired- sleep. If you don't like something- change it. And I do. Also, " So thank you for being a wise and positive influence" You're welcome. Just doing what professors do, research and talk about stuffs, and for us, the Goth-i-er the better. Good to hear from you Samuel. Happy Valoween.
my goth wardrobe is pretty solid. it consists of a long black leather trench coat, some pairs of tripp pants, and a BIG goth/dark alternative tshirt collection. i've got so many, and it's still growing.
Tripp pants, I have always wanted to own a pair. I envy you. Where did you buy them?
Happy Valentines Day, Professor M. 🖤 I love watching your channel, and this video is excellent. I have a story pertaining to your point about parents. I'm one of the lucky ones whose mom allowed me to express myself as a teenager. I wish every young person had such a loving, accepting parent as mine. She was always judged for being a single mom in a red state during the late 70s, and I think that only caused her to challenge societal norms and stigmas and appreciate everyone, no matter where they came from or how they dressed. I had a teacher who called her one day out of "concern" when young me, who had just discovered the goth subculture, for wearing so much black and reading Victorian literature: "I think your daughter has taken an interest in the occult! I strongly suggest you not allow this to continue!" I was a quiet, bookish young lady, who might have daydreamed a little too much but stayed out of trouble and enjoyed learning. "Mr. Blorb (not his real name), my daughter is a good student, and she shows me everything she reads, and I know what she wears when she goes to school, and there is nothing in the school dress code prohibiting students from wearing all black to school.
I would appreciate it if you would keep your judgment of my daughter's wardrobe and focus on teaching instead of attempting to be a fashion critic. If you have any concerns regarding her performance in class or conduct on campus, please feel free to reach out to me again. Until then, please do not call me with any more of your ridiculous concerns". That was the last phone call she ever received from him. When I told her I had returned to the goth subculture after many years, she was delighted for me and said, "well, didn't Morticia Addams say 'darling, black is the happiest color'?" My mom isn't a goth, but I would say she might be goth adjacent. She'll be visiting me for her 81st birthday in a few months, and when I casually asked her if she might like to go to a goth night, she was so excited and told me that although she's never been to a goth club, she would love to see what it's like and that it looked fun. Having my mom in my life is such a blessing. For those of you whose parents don't love and accept you, for being gay, or being trans, or being goth, I love and accept you. I'll be your goth mom, if you want one. 🖤🦇🐦⬛
LauraCordes, that was one of the best comments I have read in a long time! I really wanted to say something very special about that. First of all, congratulations on having a loving mom. Yes, you are very lucky to have had the background that you've had. And on top of that, I was laughing and smiling at the same time while reading your comment. You write so beautifully, and I wanted to encourage you ,if you have not ever thought about doing so, to write and publish something. I'm a professor, I read tons of material, but your story was so concise and easy to follow, and the explanation was perfect. So it had a beginning, a middle, and an end. I got to the point where you said," "I think your daughter has taken an interest in the occult! " and that's when I really started laughing out loud. I want to wish you a very Happy Valoween. And thank you for a very special message. I'm glad that you enjoyed the video too..
Yet again, another wonderful video 🦇 Happy Valentine’s Day 🖤
Janiebrossman~ Happy Valoween. 🖤
Great video , I enjoyed watching 🖤🦇
Thehealthanarchist- thank you! I was happy to read that. And welcome to the channel! Hope more of my videos you will come to enjoy in the future.
Thankyou Professor M for this video. I found it so fasinating. I always love your videos, and i'm looking forward in your next video 🖤💜🖤
Lynn- Thank you. One viewer told me she watches the new videos on a huge mega HDTV in her living room, so I joked " its like being Prof. M, on the big screen"
Dear Professor M, I resonate so heavily with everything that you said, & I think that I may have BEEN a Goth since my teenage years (with my fascination for Vampires, Vampirism, the Addams family, the Munsters, Elvira, the Occult, Sorcery, Divination etc) but just never realised it! As I rapidly approach my 50th birthday, I now do realise it! I'm not sure about musical tastes, as mine are VERY old (classical guitar, harpsichord, choral music, church organ) My biggest fear is NOT being accepted by, dare I say, Other Goths. In truth, I have never encountered any "in the flesh." I hope to, though.
"(with my fascination for Vampires, Vampirism, the Addams family, the Munsters, Elvira, the Occult, Sorcery, Divination etc) but just never realised it!"-- thats the moment we say "what is all this?" and "Why do I love it?'' and lastly, "Who do I belong to?" You should drop the fear, of NOT being accepted and know you will be, and the fear and worry is not necessary. 85% of what we worry about- never happens. The other 15% we can deal with.
@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 belonging is something I have never felt. I attributed that largely to being gay, & I didn't even "fit in" there, though I tried. You're right, the fear shall be dropped.
Number 13 made me laugh. Unfortunately, I have seen three Goths all dressed the same... and I was one of them. Myself and two friends went to a Goth night and when we took our coats off, we were all wearing the same outfit. The only difference being boots, hair and make up. We're all plus size so were quite limited to where we could shop, it got the point that we had to call each other to make sure we weren't planning the same outfit again. After this, I started to learn basic dress making and customising techniques.
Devastatia ~ What you have there is three Goths who all have excellent taste. :)
Thank You Professor M. for the video. Love your skull with crown.!!
Nigredo- There is a great story with that skull and crown. First, I love the whole Royalty thing, and I love skulls, but that skull and crown were used in a photoshoot for a very cool artist photo of me done by an artist from Europe. I made the crown. And after the shoot was over and all the stuffs were being taken down, I kept the skull and crown intact. That was like 2012 I believe. That skull has been in my office at the university since then. That video was shot in my uni office also!
Nigredo- While I got you online, I have to ask a question. A young person left a comment on my Men's Corp Goth Sharp Office Dark Style video, he wrote two words " Honestly cold" I am wondering if that is young generation approval? So new to me. Professor is getting old.. Haha if you know let me know.
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 it sounds good, but this year I will be 50. I don't get younger generation myself too. 😄
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 i have a purple velvet skull that I keep. It's a Halloween decoration.💀
You always know just what to say to brighten my day. Thank you Professor M for your words of kindness and wisdom 🖤🖤
TheDarklingGellybean- Thank you! Big smiles here. That brightened my day as well to read.
I looked at your channel to see what videos you had, and scrolled to the bottom of the channel-. Wow, 9 years worth of videos! And the very first one got me "6 facts about me" from 2014. I just watched it. A few things- Myself should do a video introducing myself as well, and give a few Prof. M facts. I was inspired by yours.
Since you have a lot of videos up, (I love the cute electric ghosts) But, to get more subscribers to see your vids, go back, and re-create thumbnails for each of them. Goth Folks want to see a picture 100% of the time before they click. A Picture speak volumes.
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And also, you mentioned anxiety, guess who else struggles with that? .... Yes, yours truly.
And sometimes I still do- that unpredictable roller-coaster of emotions and always prayer quiets that.
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And lastly I have worked with people in all kinds of fields of work. And you must know this by now, but ‘Angelica’ is an herb that is plant rich in properties and has many, many uses in field of medicine. If you knew that- tell me.
Happy Valoween or Happy Gothitines Day!
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I’m not feeling well today, so I’ll be back in a day or so with a response. Just a small one for now, due to loneliness and insecurity, I spent a very long time trying Not to be Goth, but I wasn’t happy. Anyhow, love your thoughts and I will further respond shortly 💜
my self esteem just went ⬆
Odothedoll- I read the comment and smiled because you used a symbol instead of a word. "up" as an arrow. Cute. Thank you!! Happy Valoween!
I get asked If goths are satanists. My reply is personally I am a LeVayen Satanist but goths in general have different religious beliefs. I am Very fortunate to have work place that allows people to wear what They like. I work with people that have mental illnesses: depression, anxiety, BPD, bi-polar, etc. We encourage them to be themselves. The place I work is a place where people can come and feel a sense of community and being needed. Everything is run by the members: Cookin, cleaning, administrive work, hospitality with 10-11 staff members. My point is that We want others to be themselves, so the staff also get to be themselves. Fridays I usually go all out goth.
I am also part of the biker community in Sweden. You mentioned How goths have respect for each other; I find the same in the biker commnity.
I am so glad I found your youtube. I hope you have a good rest of your day.
Carrienichols- Thats awesome to read. Yes, I have a wonderful friend who was in the biker community- Harley Davidsons and he would share about bikers often share about respect for one another, confession time- my dad was also a Harley Davidson man, 1971 model orange color with full sadlebags and everything he even wore leather. My dad is gone, but I have inherited his 1960s leather jacket- wow is that heavy. Thank you for sharing- and welcome to the channel!
Ah music and the “dark arts”. What more is there!? Feeling much better-alive since finding my music again. Rita The Punk Diva. Great video as always and Goths the nicest group of people you will find
Diva~ I am so wondering if this time again, I was in your living room on high definition TV. On the mega-TV screen, theatre mode. ~ Dark arts, after I said that- and left it in the video, Dark Arts? Harry Potter? for the plural of art- arts. And we like the spooky stuffs. So add the adjective 'dark', and it sounds like Hogwarts. I have met some really really cool Goths over the years. And to this day, connect with many back home. Message to you- Happy Valoween!!
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 well this time you were on the small screen but I will definitely watch you on the big screen. Love the Hogwarts reference. Happy Gothentines Day.
Happy Gothic Valentines Day Professor M 🩸🦇🖤🖤🌹🖤🖤🦇🩸
Very intresting points in this video.
I do love my crafting and I do love the Darkness.
One thing that could be added to the negative side...
So many think they can do whatever they want with you. For an example grab your hair when you got hair extensions, to see if it's attached to your head! Don't know how many times that happened to me when I was younger.
Or when the staff in shops follow you, cause they think you gonna steal. And it ends up you buy that expensive item (that you saved up to).
Thanks again and have a wonderful week. 🦇🖤🖤🖤🖤🦇
Sanniz- Happy Valoween!! ''One thing that could be added to the negative side..." I was so hoping someone would add to this list. I read both of your negs, and YES, those could of been added!! As Number 7, and 8. Number 7: Abuse by others because they see us as alone, and vulnerable to be in a place where others can mock or hurt us. And Number 8: , mistrust because of our look. ~~ Black Friday was thrown out of a cemetery in France, and police came because the police said, they were there to 'cause trouble' - She was thrown out of the Louve in Paris also. Yes, watched, and who knows, because they look like they can be someone trying to steal something. ~~ I have a story to share with you before ending this note, what Number 8 is....is the whole judging the book by its cover deal. James, a friend of mine from college has a mother who is a millionaire. James told me, they went to buy a diamond ring in a jewelry shop, but the day they went his mother was wearing her gym clothes sweatpants and a sweatshirt. No one in the shop would help her, nevertheless, take any of the rings out of the case to show her. She said "Ok, that's it I'm leaving. James let's go home" but before she did, she stood in the middle of the store, opened her purse and held up high a huge pile of $100 bills and said " Here, you wouldn't help me- you lost out" and left the store. So that is another judge the book by the cover deal. Thank you for Number 7 & 8! Excellent addition, Professor Sanniz!
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 Awww... it's so terrible. They never know who you are and what you can do. Still they judge. This World is still not moving in right direction. The Sophie Lancaster Foundation posted recently about a new attack on a young boy in UK... People never learn sadly.
Thank you Professor M for sharing these pros and cons (although in all my years being a Goth, the only cons I'd have to say are the stereotypical negative comments that sadly, tend to come with this vast subculture). Aside from that, I liked the positive #9, "think outside the box " I'd refer to this as "Think outside of the ⚰️ coffin," hehe... 😂
You made an excellent point about being able to afford your goth wardrobe one piece at a time and build it up and also pointing out, "Is Goth expensive?" Actually, it depends on the Goth. Personally, I absolutely love ❤️ Tripp, nyc coats and jackets. Although I couldn't have bought these when brand new back in the day, I was in a position to scoop up several trench coats at a bargain on eBay. This is before the Tripp, nyc clothing from the 90's into the Y2K 2000's era tripled, in some cases, even quadrupled in price as of lately. Now a Tripp, nyc coat will set a person back anywhere from $200-$400 plus +++ depending on the seller and general demand, I'm guessing.
My only guess as to why that happened is the younger generation wants these articles so badly, and yet when their strapped-for-cash parents cave and buy them the extremely expensive vintage Tripp, nyc clothing, the younger folks tear it up and destroy it. (Kinda of like what I'd do to a brand new pair of school jeans growing up. I used to cut holes in them so they'd fray and give a unique rock n' roll edge that not all kids wanted back in my day). It set me apart as a little trend setter and trail blazer, but I also got made fun of all throughout my school years. Eh, I had fun being me and wearing what I liked. 🤷😊
And there was somebody on the comments here, I believe Swedish Goth that added about the negative of being Goth and constantly being followed around in stores like a common criminal. Sadly, due to the unprecedented spike in shoplifting, everyone is subject to being followed in stores by employees and loss prevention, regardless of how anyone appears or by what they wear, and it's disheartening to read that Goths are still being targeted like this. True, we stand out like sore thumbs and draw unwanted suspicious looks our way when shopping. But if I were to see another Goth out shopping like me, I'd think, "Awesome! Finally, another Goth emerging to run typical errands."
You were spot on about your friend's mother. I had that same experience happen to me several years ago when i stepped foot into a Muarice's store with some disposable income leftover, surprise, surprise, they told me to leave because I was a meager housekeeper wearing my used work shoes. I knew how it felt to be discriminated against, but it was all good. The other stores in the mall happily took my money and let me shop at my leisure. 🦇 As always, I truly enjoyed this video, and with an even more expanded Goth "add ons" like bubble gum Goth, Glitter Goth, it boggles me. I was new to the Goth scene around the Industrial Goth era of the 2000's, although I wasn't fond of the Industrial fashion, per se, I just described myself as "goth" in my younger days. 😊
Someone needs to create and publish a Goth compendium book to help outsiders better understand the various fashions and subgeneres of our fascinating goth subculture. Time consuming? Yes, absolutely since everything changes at breakneck speed Nowadays. Totally worth it though as it would help those new to the subculture, help educate us elder Goths so we can help out the younger Goths find those unique fashions that the modern fast fashion Goth retailers might not design or essentially have.
P.S.- Happy Valentine's day, Professor M. 🖤🤍🩶🖤🦇🧛♀️ 👋
EB!~ Hello, good to hear from you. I wanted to comment, good read. Also this " Someone needs to create and publish a Goth compendium book to help outsiders better understand the various fashions and subgeneres of our fascinating goth subculture." Have you seen one of my first videos ever on the Goth Family Tree? If not, I will send an link here: th-cam.com/video/wG2wrtDfjME/w-d-xo.html
There need to be a new one created- Grunge Goth was added. So we have 46 branches. AND- I want to do it all with AI graphics showing each look.
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222Thank you, Professor M. 😊 I believe I might have watched it briefly (likely on a work day) and I will definitely re-watch it. I mentioned creating a book since I'm a bookworm and I love to read 📚 when I find the time. Finding books out there on the Goth subculture is difficult. I've since acquired two copies of Jillian Venters book, Gothic Charm School, but as of recently, haven't had any luck finding anything more up-to-date in the physical book realm but I keep searching. I have a nephew who is just getting into vintage grunge fashion, and they sure stumped me since I was originally a metal head in my youth, not grunge. I knew what they were explaining to me since I witnessed the scene when it first emerged, I wasn't a part of that scene though I had to admit. But now, my nephew is really digging the trench coats and wants a fedora and matching sunglasses and that'll be up to his parents to decide. My nephew was asking me where I bought all of my Goth wardrobe, and I happily told him, "Thrift stores. You get more for your money in those places." 😊
@@EB1878 '' and wants a fedora''- Believe it or not, my second fav hat after the top, is a fedora. And I have one that is from the 1950s made in Canada. Who knows I might add that to a video! Fedoras never go out of style.
@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 very true. I bought a black fedora in an antique store locally. I paid about $8 for it. It's definitely a lady's fedora and fits great! I'm unsure who made it or even what year. My assumption based on the design, at best, I'd say "Union made", although no actual tag states it was by a union made manufacturer back in the day. Very true, fedoras are stylish and they'll never go out of fashion. 😊🦇 And yes, a video showing different goth hats would be awesome. 👍🙂
At minute 18, exactly what I was thinking :)) you can make the clothes but you still have to buy the boots
Ariadnadumitru- I smiled when you wrote "but you still have to buy the boots" - Absolutely.
I became Goth after watching Gothic King Cobra JFS in 2020 when the COVID virus hit us but I ended up with Goth Cough and had to quit it 😱🧛🏻♂️
Jasemac- I read your comment, and I actually looked to see whom was this guy was who was mentioned. When I saw the channel, watched a few clips to see if he was actually a goth, or just using 'goth' as his title in his name. The channel he sports is quite diverse on topics. Most Goths will stick to Goth topics, like music, bands and fashion. "Goth cough" i just smiled reading that.
Oh, I have met a few 'gatekeepers', I let them do it, and I tell my friends not to jump in. This would be really funny if I wasn't a gate guard for Deathguild SF since 96'. But please, tell me all about how great you think you are!
I 'wish' I had the Goth Elder bit my age would call, but I bet I've done a total 1 total year of Goth culture. That still makes me a Baby Bat, technically. I enjoy everyone assuming otherwise.
as a baby bat this video really helped
Lina- You are welcome and thank you. Welcome to the channel. 🎩
Some years I forget the walks in the park on Goth Day. Pity!
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Happy Valoween 🦇🎩
I regret that things were so bad between Chicanos and Blacks in the 80s. How is this relevant? I'd walk into Goth clubs (to work, for pleasure) and I'd roll across goth cars worth of Chicanos 'powering up' before they joined me. Some mocked, some sniffed, some whipped some insults. I noticed they were somewhat dressed in rockabilly clothes. They had the spruced up cars....so they were actually 'mine'. I'd ignore them and nod, and their leaders would nod back and tell them to calm down.
I've learned several relatives are chicanos since, making the entire affair even more ridiculous. Lets say I prefer the 'Prayers' era much more.
Antdevamp~ I read all the comments, I will reply in one here. '' I noticed they were somewhat dressed in rockabilly clothes" This interested me a lot, can you tell me more? We have a section of Goth/ Goth branch called Rockabilly, so were these Chicanos, Goth-Goth or just dressed like Rockabillies or - tell me more, interested. Happy Valoween!
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 These were a little black...boots or pants, one vest. The others were south america themed color shirts, heavy pinks, yellows, etc, with the arms cut at the shoulders. This was summer back then. Hairs were pompadors, goatees variants, dutch beards, their leader with a french fork. Again, this was a shame on all sides.
the malaise gotta be a negative
FrithonaHrududu- I don't know how I didn't see this comment earlier- What are the ups and downs- yes I can understand what you mentioned. Happy World Goth Day.
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 you too😊