How has the Goth Subculture Survived and Thrived for over 40 Years?
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- The Three Waves of Goth History explained in a nutshell by Professor M in one of the most dustiest lectures ever. Dust or Spirits visiting? You decide.
#Goth #Eldergoth #Threewaves #musichistory #DarkPsyche
Bands from different waves worth checking out:
(First Wave)
The Cure:
/ @thecure
Siouxsie and the Banshees
• Siouxsie And The Bansh...
Joy Division
• Joy Division - Love Wi...
Bauhaus' Bela Lugosi's Dead
• Bela Lugosi's Dead (Of...
( Second Wave)
Cocteau Twins
/ cocteau twins - topic
Faith & The Muse "Sparks"
• Sparks
(Third Wave)
Male Tears
/ @maletears
Males Tears "Hit Me"
• MALE TEARS - HIT ME (V...
Vandal Moon " Robot Lover"
• Vandal Moon - Robot Lo...
Twin Tribes "Tower of Glass"
• Twin Tribes - Tower of...
Another very educational video about our beautiful subculture. Recalling the early days of M- tv, the stop motion claymation was done by another Elder Goth brother, Aurelio Voltaire.
Sharon! Hello- great to hear from you! What? Aurelio Mr Goth Home-decor did claymation? Wowzers-- tell me more you have the professor's full attention. And thank you for the comment thank you thank you-- MTV what a great time we had in the beginning!
Fuk I wish I could have seen that it sounds awesome
What was it like though?
@@boi7079 Welcome to the channel~ You're in good company, for many of us here love to share about that music time period, it's history and all that laid within it. Also Elders like myself specially care about the younger baby bats who embrace the Subculture its music and style.- If you ever have any questions about anything from the early age of the sound to MTV, anything-- just ask- you'll get a great answers and feedback here. What was it like?- Intense. I was 13 years old when I was first surrounded by this new explosion of rich sound, that make the 70s look dull, by the mid 80s the culture and scene was exploding, as new bands emerged, and style we never saw before just started happening and we craved what was coming next. There was too much to explore at the time. Fashion and music became one.
I have a, sadly out of print, book by him titled "What Is Goth?". It's largely biographical and he talks about how he was fascinated with animation and stop motion claymation when he was in his late teens and early 20s. He had done a few commercials and apparently an executive at MTV thought it would be good for this new network to have something new and fresh to promote the channel. They contacted him to do the claymation shorts. From there he went on to write several graphic novels and of course, there is his music and the Gothic Homemaking channel.
This video made me feel acceped. I remember always being "darkly inclined" so to speak. Obsessed with vampires and other gothic literature. When i was in middle school I started liking the more alternative music but wasn't allowed to really express it. Now at 26 I'm free to do whatever I want. All 3 waves of goth music and the subgenres heal my soul in a way i never thought I'd ever get to experience 🖤🖤🖤🖤
Blackgothgoddess~ Here you are among others who understand the 'darkly inclined" part. I am glad you enjoyed the video. Your memo was exactly what I wanted to hear. Welcome to the channel!
Omg I love this. Im glad how you mixed literature, music, dress and everything. I love it. You need to talk about the Dead Can Dance and that multicultural influence, even if you only talk about middle eastern influence aka Aazam Ali covering the Coctea Twins Shallow Then Halo
K.A.~ Thank you! I read that comment at work and it really made my day! I will look at doing more band videos in the future!
I will proudly stand by my cringe HIM phase 😂 I wish I had access to gothic subculture before that, but that was when both MTV and Internet arrived to this part of the world.
Kaworu Nagisa~ We will all stand with you with the HIM cringe! What is nice is, that even though it wasn't there, you know about it. It international Gothdom now- you are well connected!
Excellent lecture 🦇🦇🦇🦇 and thanks for the recommendations
Rickon Nye, however did this comment escape me! Its 3 weeks late for me to reply. But always there is a 99.99% chance I will see it- Thank you always!!
I'm going to take a guess as to the how and why. The how we survived for 40 years, the community, in general. Knowing Goths and those that returned to the subculture. To those that stayed true to themselves, I believe that's how we survived. The why part is because Goth is eternal. Essentially, it will hopefully live on and on throughout the generations to come. And what we encapsulate, what we write (physical journals, autobiographies, pictures, videos) will also solidify the Goth subculture I believe. Loved your video Professor M. As always very informative, educational, and enlightening. I'd highly recommend this to baby bats 🦇 and for us Elder Goths who might get asked these questions even while running errands. 😉
Very interesting video! Thanks for the lesson Professor!
SilverDagger - You're very welcome!
Back then we saw ourselves as alternative. Its amazing how much goth music i listened to and didnt know it. Ahh 120 minutes was amazing !❤
Timcsmedic~ Yes! 120 Minutes was soooooo worth staying up for, while I was in highschool, they aired it at 12:30AM to 2:30AM and I had to go to school the next day. However, we had a VHC that recorded pre-set time into it. And I watched it later in the day after school. MTV, when the said "turn it on, leave it on" I obeyed.
It’s 45 Grave!!! With Diana OCancer lol lead vocals
Thank you so much. I was born in 1974. I remember all this. I was just to young to understand what was going on like most people.
My own case is...complex. I was ->
Goth on Ice ~ First off, I took a moment to find out what "Goth-on-Ice" was- and I was surprised. I watched a few of your videos, and it was awesome to see your dress style specially in the Damask vest area. I wanted to say, as you have already have done, we are never too old to goth, and I made a great video on this channel which many also chimed in about. Englandi in the 80s, Yes! you were there at the beginning of the beginning. The "inappropriate" comment, from say a church elder, is common, and yet, they forget how Goth religion's history was. The true self you mention is great, as we now should be at the time to seriously enjoy ourselves, for myself, the wearing of black, has become enjoyable again, and I too, went deeper into finding the sound that resonated, that made me feel good. Welcome Ice.
@coldservings,
It's ironic that for years I heard the same claptrap about the music I loved and listened to growing up as "inappropriate". Thank you for sharing your story. New sub to your channel, by the way. All the best! -the Victrola Lady 👋🦇❤🧛♀️
Welcome back!! Shame you were put off by interest in girls then as there were and still are plenty of beautiful gothic girls to quote Jyrki69 out there. As for the religious aspect not all the goth bands are Devil worshipers but there was a time that was an assumption. But the Gothic architecture comes right from Middle Ages churches Well glad you’re back and found Professor M who is really a wealth of knowledge and talented video maker!!
I🖤ur videos explaining all aspects of goth…being 51 myself I remember the beginning when I became addicted to The Cure.
Janie are you 1972 or 1971? The Cure addiction, I was on a train and I was going to an airport this guy and his wife and I got into a talk for 1 hour, and the wife asked me "What bands do you listen to?" And I said " Do you know The Cure?" and she said, " Can I get your business cards - let's stay in touch" That one mention cemented a friendship.
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 I’m 1971…that story is 👏 proof that music can be at the root of friendships that probably wouldn’t have developed otherwise…especially at a random place like on a train headed to the airport 🖤
Hey Professor! I can't help but wonder if there isn't a fourth segment of goth history, though I'm sure I would call it a wave... the early 2000's were definitely a different era than we're experiencing now, and I feel like our time of slumber and rebuilding should be noted. The 2000s contributed to what a strong scene we have today.
Also thought I'd be pedantic and mention that Black Tape for a Blue Girl is first wave, though there may be an argument that different eras of the band reflected the sound of the wave they were in our something.
Have a great day!
Hey Gothic Homemaker, Yes, I was waiting for someone to mention that- Isn't there at 4th and even 5th Wave? Ok, so this is what I had discovered, after researching timelines and spin offs of bands, who followed whos influence, one could easily say, "Ah, we are in the 4th wave". However, the 2000's are as from what I talked over with a few Goth music folks will say the 3rd era. The 3rd era has a lot of 80s influences in it, like the eletro-pop sound. Black Tape for a Blue Girl, Yes, absolutely, 80s and I was told they are still playing in some venues.
Gothic Homemaker, extremely good point. I was part of the late 90's Goth (1998) through 2006. Then returned to my roots after a long hiatus not long after my fiance sadly passed away in 2019. Within those years, yes, I missed out on the "evolution Goth phase" as I call it. Therefore, I felt like I really had to cram my head with all current Goth music (although even the 80's Goth music I'm just now discovering like Bauhaus, for example, Sisters of Mercy, Witching Hour, Paralyzed Age). I can recommend scaring up some back issues of Gothic Beauty magazines which, for their day, were featuring Cyber Goth, industrial Goth peppered with homage to Anne Rice "Interview with the Vampire", Father Sebastain, famous fang Smith for the Sabertooth clan, LARP (of which never appealed to me even as a baby bat Goth). Hope this helps. 🦇👍
Greetings Professor M. I was born in 1967, so I think I can assume to be 'first wave' enthousiast. When someone played me 'Bela Lugosi', two or three years after it had been released, I remember thinking: 'mmm... reggae is going interesting places. Let's investigate.' As one would expect, I'm a big fan of the original 4 Pilars, as you call them. And I would add Nico as the godmother that came before them.
O, and your remark about certain people residing in the Okefenokee Swamp made me laugh out loud.
Samuel!! I have a big smile on my face- Thank you as always- and this time you as I have always seen are my first shout-out. Okefenokee -I will confess I couldn't think of another word that fast, my absinthe memory loss jet-lag mind trying to give a clue as to where NIN fits in. I thought later " Ah Genre"...Silly me. But awesome as always. Regage is going places!! And I love Nico. Neeeee-coooo as she once said her name in a video. Warhol loved her.
First Wave. Great VIDEO! Bauhaus Tones on Tail Love and Rockets both offshoots of Bauhaus and Pete Murphy solo!! BYW I scored tix to the Sisters in NY Great overall
Rita I was so hoping you would see this one. As I know you are music specialist, I hope in July we can do a Goth Graveyard talk on these and make a vid, I have been thinking about it for a long time. Just pack a lunch and finds some good stones to talk on..
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 Hi that would be great. You can interview me on my June 2 TSOM concert experience too!!
Watching this again. Still awesome. Summer is coming!!.
@@rscuris im going to upload a new Professor M video very very soon. Been mega busy this month!
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 You should upload for World Goth Day coming up May 22nd!!! I will be doing the whole month of May w Goth You have given me an excellent idea. I will do one show all Trad Goth Old Skool and the second will be for the young generation
Loved the way you did this video :) I love all the originals and have heard about half of the second wave. I have some of their music. The third wave, I have only heard of a few of them. I mainly like ethereal, dark wave, cabaret and some of the others. I like Night Wish which some people don't think are Goth, but it is debatable. I also like Switchblade Symphony, Emily Autumn (who is also controversial), Fawn, Rasputina, She Passed Away, Two Witches, Exces Nocturne, Opera de Nuit, Asylum Party, Aurelio Voltaire and so many more.
MoonFlowerFaerie ~ you named a lot and I am very happy you knew a great number of names in the second wave. I believe with the bands you have mentioned I have a lot of material to do more videos. She Passed Away - excellent notion.
My comment was deleted twice, by YT, because it's too long and looks like flodding I guess.
I am going to republish it in installments.
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Thank you again for teaching the masses about Gothic nature, rituals and customs, history and the future! 👏
I entirelly agree that Goth has been evolving and branching all along since its origin. This is what living organisms do, even organizazions of living organisms like colonies and societies. And Goth is alive and kicking! 🤟
But then I wondered how could I fit this fact with an apparently contradicting one, that Goth has by a large extent hold fast to its roots and that it draws intensely from classical styles of the past, like the Victorian and the Romantic eras.
This recent video from the Random Goth Couple, "Goths React To MORE 90s Goths", immediately came to mind:
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After a segment of a TV production about goths in the US in the '90s that shows an anchorwoman dressing up in Goth attire, Conor comments:
"This is why Goth is so timeless! Because this was recorded *26* years ago and that outfit, that look would not be out of place now!"
To me, this is the result of Goth being born as an anticonformist movement out of an extremely anticonformist one, ie Punk. It did develop a spectrum of different styles and feelings in music, dress and esthetics, feeling free to experience styles that society found uneasy if not straight abhorrent, but id did so seeking freedom and a feeling of community, not seeking to engage the norms with a militant spirit. Goths were for a community of people who shared common feelings and interests, they were not set to fight society to cure its ills.
Goths are welcoming to like people, leave ample room to both innovation and nostalgia, are not offended if a group starts a new branch of Futuristic Goth or the opposite, Baroque, Medieval Goth. They add to the culture, they take away nothing to those who stick to the old fashions and styles.
Evolving and diversifying does come with some pain and struggle, but it's ok so long as people react with a positive attitude and avoid reacting in ways that increase the pain. As far as I can tell, Goths are much better than most at keeping away from violence or ill will towards those who dare to transgress. It seems to me that Goths are more likely to approach something new that popped out in Gothland with interest and curiosity rather than condemnation and scorn. I know, there are self proclaimed gatekeepers, but whatever damage they produced to the community was overwhelmed by the creativity and openmindedness of the vast majority.
I liked this video a lot, every Goth should have clear in mind the basic milestones that marked Goth history and evolution. They are a constant reminders not just to what we were and come from, but to how different we can be from each other and yet have so much in common to still identify ourselves as Goths, of some kind and branch. Members of a big family.
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@@Blatro_Ceneidrago You are so special to me- I am so sorry YT removed all the above and you had to retype it all. But I your words are very welcomed. The Random Goth Couple I love them so much I subscribe as well- and YES you are absolutely correct Goth is now timeless- 26 years ago and seeing we still dress like this today and I may make a video sharing this really really good point you made!!
surely there was the pre-goth period where people scored ten on your test but didn't know it.EAP etc.
Just had another individual text me on another social media venue and they wrote I took your quiz, I'm not a goth, but now I'm questioning myself. (you can see where they were searching to find out if they were, or not) a lot of individuals carry a Gothic way of seeing things, and yet they don't even know. I only put that quiz on a few days ago, and I'm amazed at the amount of replies it has received. I feel like in the future they'll be a second one. The pre-goth stage I would say, is something like you're in high school, and you can't fully express yourself but you know you like dark things. Wishing you a very happy New Year and welcome to the channel🎩
Elder Goth only in the technical terms, I'm a baby bat goth who doesn't get all the growth, but I love Absinthe! I make room for pastel goths and others who don't know or like the Goth scene music. I live in clubs, so we can't meet otherwise. Come listen, find out I love horror movies and nu-metal too, and punk and ebm and noisepunk and old U2, and ska, and rap. We aren't one thing, but we do find most of this really, darkly funny.
Dear Prodessor M, could you recommend some Victorian Goth bands, please?
Cocteau Twins, Twin Tribes, And One, Pitchfork Project, The Frozen Autumn
@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 excellent, thank you. I've checked out Bauhaus, I rather like them. One of my favourite singers is Tarja Turunen. Her solo album "My winter storm" is deliciously creepy!
I am sorry Im a little drunk. AZAM ALI is her name and I meant to spell Cocteau Twins. I am sorry. There is a heavy middle eastern component and I hope you address it.
K.A. ~ I totally knew who you were mentioning! Its very ok- Have you ever tried Absinthe?
I'm second generation goth my parents were goths now I am I was born 2007 September 11th so correct me if I'm wrong but my parents weren't together but dad showed up when I was 7 and he said I became a baby bat idk what that means but he says I'm a full goth now I am currently 15 years old
They are goths I fucked the comment up but ye
Mask- You have entered Gothdom, some baby bat spread their wings earlier, and get into the sound and sights of the Subculture.
@@boi7079 I totally followed.
what a wonderfully informative video!! i love watching and learning new information about this subculture. when i get a chance, i will definitely check out the two books listed (:
question; do u have any videos on deathrock? i find myself more drawn to that, and i know there’s a history of deathrock kind of being it’s own thing separate from the goth subculture (or at least that’s what some people like to think) even though i feel like it’s a part of it as a subgenre
Callmek~ hello and welcome to the channel. Deathrockers were a great group in the mid 80s. The deathrock mohawks and black jeans with chains had significant impact on fashion core for the subculture. I would like to suggest one book that shares a bit about that it called A chronical of a tribe: Worldwide Gothic by Natasha Scharf lots about the music scene in there. ~ also thank you for finding the video information pleasing. Check out the other 28 videos starting with Goth Family Tree about 2 years ago. Tells you where Deathrocker Goths are located on the family tree and what branch. 🎩
@@gothicallyyoursprofessorm.7222 thank you so much!!!