The New Civic "Hatch" Is Really An Audi-esque Sportback That's Affordable | 2022 Civic Hatchback
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Not gonna lie, restricting blind spot monitoring to the EX-L (which is $28,460 after destination!) is crazy... That should be standard equipment nowadays.
Active safety features is one area where nearly all OEMs make you go up in trims/options to get.
In Canada, the base model (LX) has all the safety features except rear cross traffic monitor: blind spot monitor, forward collision warning + collision mitigation braking, lane departure warning + road departure mitigation. It also comes with adaptive cruise control with lane keep assist.
@@FeverBonus that’s good it’s all standard but all those features raised the Civics base price compared to the competitors
Thank you for typing "not gonna lie" instead of "NGL" like tiktokkers.
That's a standard feature in every single car that has ever been constructed, it's called eyes :P
The length of the cargo area matters more than the height when I'm loading my 2019 Civic Hatchback Type R. Huge interior, comfy rear seating, a great package. Bikes, guitars, amps, mother-in-law, all fit so easily. Alex is a super-human! The new Civic design is very handsome on the road.
Not me. I prefer a short overall length. Mother-in-law will have to deal with the rear seats in my coupe.
I can sympathize with you both, I have to parallel park all the time and wish Civics were as short as they used to be. But also, fitting a bike in the back is mandatory. And my mother-in-law is thankfully pretty compact.
The previous Civic had some of the comfiest rear seats I’ve ever sat in
@@DctorSkillz1 Coupe is cool!
you need an SUV not a sedan..
Great very thorough review. I recently bought the EX-L hatch after having the previous generation. Upgrades to this generation are significant and still a value, given all compact cars have gone up in price over the past couple of years. Best option available in this category.
I want to thank you for the video. This review is very focused and relevant for the would-be buyer. The direct comparison over other models is helpful in relating how it stacks up over the competition.
In other youtube videos, it feels like you've been overloaded with information but without really learning anything. This vid is good! Liked and subscribed.
I’m currently waiting on the market to turn for something with a lot of power, but if I wanted a compact, I’d grab that Civic. I saw the sedan for the first time last summer at night and although I can usually identify head- and taillights at night, I thought it was an Audi from behind with the slim lights; the title is spot-on. LOL Ever since then I was impressed by the revision, especially because I NEVER liked the last gen outside of the Type-R. - Great review as always, Alex!
Once the new Accord design (2023-24) is released I will know what direction to buy. The Civic is way less radical than that predecessor, less features than the current 2022 Accord. This new Civic interests me with the new look.
Yet we are running out of time with cars with traditional HP and looks. By 2030 cars will be all online eco clone cars
@@ericscottstevens Are you considering the Integra ....I am also in your dilemma and waiting to see next gen Accord
@@stereomtl9001 IRecently I have been shifting back to considering the GR86 again after a ton of reading reviews and posts from owners. That Honda motor with the turbo oil gas dilution situation worries me. No word if the motor has been updated or they are pushing the old motor onto the market some more and not worrying about the consumer complaints. It is probably cheaper for Honda right now to go forward with the old motor. With the GR86 an affordable MT RWD will be a dinosaur probably in 7 years. It will have resale no matter what with that layout to the tuner community. I will keep reading.
@@ericscottstevens I thought they had that oil problem worked out by 2019?
@@Bondovw All I read about is Honda dealers doing a software update, extending the warranty, and telling owners to change their oil at 3,000 intervals. Still in a year maybe someone will be posting if they are having this gas/oil issue with the 2022 and onward models. Right now I am leaning back to the GR86 if I start reading Honda is coy about it. Too much money to destroy an engine over, or sell once it hits 60,000 miles. My main hang up on the GR86 is high octane gas on a non asperated engine (why?), but I would rather not have gas in the oil issues which is way way worse.
Your reviews really are the best automotive reviews on TH-cam--thanks, Alex!
Alex, i like how you show the size of the vehicle as it relates to its competitors. Nice touch. Very informative.
Excellent Alex as always... you cover all ends and comparisons... thank you...
While I didn't mind the look of the outgoing hatch, I prefer the look of this gen more. The outgoing got a little busy in the looks department at times for me. This one has a premium, understated look to it.
I agree I think an Si drive train with a automatic would have been an easy option to offer hatch enthusiasts.
The best review of the hatchback I’ve seen.
Especially like that you show the center console controls and steering wheel controls in detail and that you mentioned the center dash speaker on the touring trim. That center speaker makes it breaks a cars sound system.
I got a grey 2022 Civic Sport Touring with the 6 spd manual used with only 4500 miles. Got a great deal on it back in May and don’t have any complaints and many compliments about this car. Plenty of room, nice leather seats, great stereo, nice sunroof, beautiful interior. The engine is great as welll as the shifter and clutch, handles great, love the adaptive cruise control, and no less than 35-40 mpg! No complaints at all.
New to Alex. It's nice to see him driving on what looks like the Santa Cruz Mountains roads. I drive there!
Very nice hybrid review/comparo video. Liked and subscribed!
Best review so far.
From France, a Big Merci !
Alex I love your work! Really good work, just pure quality information, not trying to be funny or cool. Love it.
Journalists keep saying the Civic is one of the best things you can get under $30,000... but you can't actually get one under $30k. Dealers are adding $3,000 and $4,000 mark ups meaning that Sport Tourings are going $38k with taxes and fees! Obscene!
don't forget non negotiable options you don't need for another 2k, because "they can"
Thanks for the review. it was informative.
Alex, I took a few moments to transcribe your thoughtful comments about Mazda's Torture Beam Rear Suspension® 21:38 "Mazda kinda cheaped out there and they did not give it a full independent rear suspension. I think that's a real bummer in the Mazda 3 and it is noticeable when you're driving out on regular roads."
The best review I’ve been waiting for. So detailed and honest. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🔥
Your 0-60mph time of 6.6 seconds is about a second quicker than just about everybody else (Car&Driver, Motortrend, Edmunds, Redline Reviews, etc). 🤷🏻♀🤔🤷🏼
I think Alex 0-60 test all his cars downhill with a strong wind at his back. Every car is faster than other reviews.
He has this regular Civic Hatchback hitting 60mph faster than the Si, for which Car&Driver got 6.8s. 📚
I think it looks great - reserved, classy, low stance. A nice looking car 👍
Honda knows how to make a fun driving car
I like that Honda still have a spare wheel.... even though it is a 'spacesaver' restricted to 50mph.
IMO, this is how the 10th gen Accord should have been styled from the beginning. They missed an opportunity to do it with the lift back esque design they did in 2018. It would have been the most practical in its segment. Or the only one.
You mentioned the HR-V in the beginning. It's now common knowledge that the 2023 model (for North America) will be based on this civic and not the Fit like the last generation. So there's a possibility that the new HR-V will get the same engines as the Civic, but with CVT only. The HR-V will also become more practical as a result.
They'll probably integrate the styling to this with the accord eventually, when that gets a refresh.
It’s so frustrating when reviewers complain about rear seat space but do not mention how tall they are. It’s a very relevant piece of information.
I’m pretty sure Alex is 6’-0” tall.
It's good to have Alex on Autos Classis (TM) back.
I got a 6 speed sport and definitely enjoy it for everyday driving
I saw a blog where someone removed those air vents and Put clear Polymer in those holes in the vents to keep the Dirt out. You couldnt tell that he did it. was good idea those for long term ownership.
I see one thing that I like on the spot touring model is the homelink garage door opener. Something that vw doesn't have on the gti. I like the homelink because you can easily program it to open more than one door and i don't like having a garage door opener clipped on to the viser. Also, think about it, that garage door opener is practically a key to your house. With the homelink, it's inactive without the car being on. My nissan altima has a homelink and I have it programmed for my garage and when I go to my mom's apartment building I have the homelink programmed for her building to. Park in one of the empty spots, visit mom and I don't even have to step outside. I would need to have another garage door opener clipped to my visor too.
Homelink, Alex should be pointing that out.
Excellent review not crazy about the hatch back look, but like the 1.5 turbo motor
Great review
Awesome car Awesome review again
nice review broo
This new shape is truly the best and the engine is better i want one because its mileage is not far away from a prius
Very nice! I wish the seats were better. Good for Honda for sticking with sedans. Another great AoA review!
Was pretty set on this but might wait to see what the new HRV is like. More cargo practicality would be a nice to have along with AWD. Not a huge fan of the styling of the new HRV, but if it gets the 1.5T, I may overlook the design. Great video!
Good thinking
The problem is that if Honda gave the HRV more oomph then they would lose a huge % of their Civic market..Honda will NEVER let that happen.
WHY WOULD you ever EVER need AWD?
@@ThunderWindz Never said I need it, just a nice to have. Would be nice for the snow, even though I'd have a good set of winters.
@@joelh3637 the new hrvs…oof those things are so slow and under powered it’s kinda hard to get over. Good looking interior though.
Wish this had a hybrid option
I have been looking for a hatch touring model with a manual and they are hard to find. (I would have considered the sedan Civic SI but they don't offer heated seats anymore in the US (but do in Canada)). I may wait for the Integra since I understand the majority of them will be offered with a manual.
i cant wait to see you do a honda civic hatchback vs acura integra video
Vlogs I watched yesterday define 2nd Gen 2023 HR-V as a replacement for 2022 Civic Hatchback, same dimensions, independent rear suspension & engine(s)
You do quite simply the most detailed, balanced and objective reviews of anyone.
Well done and thank you!
Real buttons and knobs on the dash (and steering wheel). Yea!
This makes me even more excited for thr Integra.
@AAutoBuyersGuide Civic Hatch EXL vs Forte GT what's your pick? Handling/fun wise...
Drove a fully loaded hatch at the dealership. Liked the styling, but found the engine to be noisy when accelerating and the seat without lumbar support is a show stopper for me. Also looked at the Mazda 3 hatch…. It was very impressive and I liked it so much more than the Civic.
I am looking at Mazda 3 hatch myself cuz I am not a fan of CVT and styling of Mazda 3 hatch is very nice
@@Astroinmotion Ended up going with a Mazda 3 myself. Was coming from having luxury cars in the past and got tired of the high maintenance costs. The Mazda ended up working out great, its 75% of the luxury with 25% of the running costs. Struck a perfect balance for me.
Well done video covering the new Civic Hatch. I was looking at the Touring Hatch, as my wife drives the 2021 CRV EX-L this would be different, but similar to the CRV. One Big Disappointment with the Civic Touring is the lack of a memory drivers seat. Since we both would drive the vehicles this is honestly a deal breaker on the Civic. Lumbar adjustment would also be nice on top line trim, but not a deal breaker. Also 6.6 in your 0-60 run is considerably faster then in other reviews. All the best from Wisconsin.
the new acura integra is pretty much the same car but does come with those features left out in the civic
@@jjoehler is Acura reliable as the civic ??
@@Darknmessis it’s the same engine as the Civic SI.
@@Darknmessis I mean it’s not out yet but it should be considering acura is owned by honda
@@Darknmessis Dude it's the same Company same car. Acura is owned by Honda.
This generation of Civic is fantastic. RIP Gundam robot styling department.
Civic front still looks like Gundam eyes, while Corolla front looks like the face of certain Neo Zeon mobile suits.
@@ricksays7133 glad you point that out big Gundam fan
I don't know why Americans won't buy station wagons. I found this car as a wagon and it looks great. I'd much rather have the wagon as I could put more stuff into it.
Cause they look hideous Clark.
how many gear ratio does the honda cvt has and do you get that droning feel
You have to get this car in stick shift. F all that automatic transmission BS.
Looking forward to your take the CHR(Civic High Rider) HR-V
Great review. Still don't understand why Honda didn't provide lumbar support on the '23 Touring trim, not a deal breaker, but a miss.
That would make this the perfect Si 2.0 - with a few upgrades (power/stability and a Genuine Honda differential) this could be the Si for most people. And yes I know it’s a sport model with 1.5T making 180 but with mods we can get upwards of 230hp/190 torque. Sounds like I should keep my mouth Shut sounds like a Great build to me 😂😁🤙🏿
Lovely car, lovely garden, lovely review
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Alex, can you touch on driver visibility? Modern cars tend to have slit -like windows. Not to mention rear blind spots.
I love the Mazda dial control.
Me too !
LOL
I've owned this car for 3 months now, sport touring, and I love it. Took it from CA to Utah and back, and it was a completely luxurious drive, no issues there. The ONLY issue I have with the car is that I feel like I have to reset the infotainment system every 3 weeks because my carplay wont connect anymore, blue tooth will die, and it will refuse wired connection to my phone. I probably just need to get that fixed because other people just don't seem to have this issue
Hopefully an over the air update will fix that.
@@disco.lemonade I'm having same issues with my toyota corolla mapping wise, everything works as it should, but mine came without android auto at the time, so I'm gonna upgrade to the apple phone that way I can use Google maps or waze..
I have a ‘22 Sport Touring as well and have had the same issues. My wireless CarPlay connection has been good after a couple resets but still have lagginess, Bluetooth audio randomly drops sometimes, and CarPlay screen can get pixely after startup then goes away after a while.
This car is slam dunk everywhere else but after owning three Civics a ‘16, ‘19, and my current ‘22, I’m learning infotainment is Honda Achilles heel and only thing holding it back imo.
What mpg are you getting? How are the seats on long trips?
@@Bondovw 28 in the city and 30~31 on the highway, small gas tank of only about 11 gallons tho. Seats are super nice, you really feel locked in and I never felt uncomfortable sitting on the 10-hour drive
It looks like a great car. Fortunately it will come in Europe next autumn! Thanks Honda.
Took them long enough
How did you get such a fast 0-60 time? All the magazines are getting mid to high 7 seconds.
Pros> The engine is adequate, the cargo space is the sell ++, inside Nice.
Negatives> (for me) the digital gauges, the center "headrest" on the rear seat, "NO" Deep Blue Sea paint option.
Price is very good for the features, but of course I want the manual "if" I can find one? 🏹🤠👍
Great review. But you completely brushed over the benefits of the 2.0 over the 1.5T and that being long term reliability. All direct injection engines are inherently more complicated and designed that way solely for emissions and they all have carbon buildup issues to some degree. The addition of a turbo will also increase your odds of problems in the long term.
The Civic LX with the 2.0, 6MT is my choice for the long term. It has less worry some 16" wheels and is 200lbs lighter than the Civic Touring CVT and with the 6MT will be more fun and engaging to drive.
Alex’s pronunciation of “touring” is reaching new heights of “two-ring”!
I wish these were the actual prices. The Sport Touring are $35,500 here. I wish i could get the Bose radio without having to get the top trim. I don’t care about all the extra tech cuz I’ll probably never use it. I’d love another VW but my last was too expensive to work on and needed work too often. I’m at a lose right now of what to get. If i could afford it I’d get the new Integra as it’s basically a sexier Civic hatch with a better stereo
How didn't Alex mention the upcoming luxury version of this Civic, the Acura Integra? With a starting price around the same as a loaded civic... it's definitely a consideration for those looking at the civic.
Good point. It didn’t occur to me until you mentioned it.
Acura “Integra” is a joke.
@@DJPleasureSeekingMissle I get that people who expected something different are disappointed by the Integra, but it is a logical competitor for a loaded Civic, as that's basically what it is. Indeed, that was what the base Integra always was, and expecting it to be something else was foolish. The higher-performance Integras will be coming later. They were always a minority of Integras sold, but for weird reasons they're the only ones people remember, not the ordinary ones.
I hope when chip shortage or global supply chain issues are resolved in the future, the prices will get lowered and features like blind spot monitoring will be standard across all trims.
You guys always get shafted on features compared to Canadian specs for every brand.
Mr Alex, curious as to actual seat comfort…. We have a 10th gen and a big complaint is how hard and uncomfortable the seats can be on a lengthy drive.
I test drove it. It is hard and very uncomfortable if you're gonna commute more than 30min. This is the only reason why I did not buy it. I plan to check the corolla next year, which is gonna be Hybrid AWD.
I love the video title
Alex, How do you get 6.6 sec 0 to 60?
Most reviewers get around 7.5, even with the SI....
I was wondering about that! Never seen less than 7.2
Can’t wait to get mine. I’ve been using a 2012 Prius for years and this has a similar cargo layout but deeper floor, much classier interior, mountains of tech and fun to drive. Winner!
It doesn't have the Priuses gas mileage, but around 35 mpg is good enough. I dislike the styling of the current Prius. This Civic hatchback is so much better.
Most Prius owners go to EVs or PHEVs. But this Civic is just way nicer.
@@markmiller3279 yea the trade off of MPG was worth it to me
@@EdwardTheMonkey I was looking at a Camry hybrid but I love my hatch and this civic is similar to the Prius but with even more space
Hey Alex, Does the coming 2023 HR-V for North America have the potential to be a true "Civic Cross"?
Could you update some of your dimension figures with the new hrv that was announced yesterday? Thx
Too bad the HR-V looks like a marshmallow with a grille that looks nothing like any other Honda. I guess it looks better than the old one, but that was seriously ugly. Sigh. I was hoping for a lot better.
I just wish Honda would put more protection over the lower grille that feeds the radiators.... On several Honda cars I have had the Aircon condenser has suffered punctures from stone damage, so now I routinely fit 6mm square stainless steel mesh ( sprayed matt black ) over the lower grille... can save you a lot of money in the long run.
Honda thinks they are BMW, MERC, AUDIO, but only with their Prices XD.
Love it! Looks more expensive than the older ones, like a much better vehicle.
How about 2023 HR-V which base on the 11th Gen Civic platform?
I had a 20 si and sold it, big mistake so I got a 23 hatch sport 6mt ,the styling is alot more conservative and the interior and drive quality are amazing realitive to the 20 I won't comment on power because I didn't get a si
looks great
It doesn't look like a space invader anymore. That is a good thing.
I'd need the Insight to offer a hatchback version looking similar to this for me to get on board.. Honda in general isn't too exciting in styling overall.
Hi Alex my seat sucks on my Civic 2022 also can it be replaced 4:50
I was quoted $32K for a hatch sport 6-sp manual. I will wait for Integra
Integra $ay$ hi.
Do the paddle shifters work in normal mode, or do you first have to select sport mode?
In my '21, which has the same engine and drivetrain, they work, but the car won't stay in the gear the same way it does in sport mode. Sport mode allows the paddles to be more the "last word" whereas in regular drive mode, you can downshift or upshift with the paddles but the computer will quickly take back over from your decision. It's sort of odd. I don't use the paddles much, but I like having them. I would have bought the manual except I have a new driver in the family (my daughter) and she's not quite ready to learn a manual and I wanted to be sure that anybody in the house will drive any of the cars without hesitation.
I had considered this Honda Civic hatchback, unfortunately the all new Acura Integra just stole my heart. The A Spec 6 sp manual Integra just out classes the Civic making the Civic looks like just another econobox.
It's also more expensive. I like the Integra, but maybe not for the extra money. The Civic is quite nice, too.
I have exactly the same vehicle. I’m generally happy with it, but I’m disappointed with the amount of squeaks and rattles from the dashboard and infotainment area. Also the infotainment systems wireless Apple CarPlay integration is sketchy and I have to do a full factory reset every 3-4 weeks to keep it working. Honda have done a great job with the Civic on the surface, but I can’t help but feel they’ve severely cut costs in the not so visible areas.
I have the same issue with having to reset the infotainment every few weeks for wireless CarPlay to work, and also the squeaks from the touchscreen.
@@whatsthedileo There’s a technical service bulletin for the squeaking infotainment/dash, just ask your dealer. I’ve had the work done, basically they take the screen area apart and stick wool tape to certain areas. It’s made very little difference to be honest.
Since Accord also has wireless carplay, does anyone know if accord has the same issue? I’m interested in buying either accord or civic, I’m probably buying whichever has less issues/problems.
Hatchbacks are just better, period.
I’m a GTI enthusiast and have a 2016 Golf R right now. I’m thinking about my next car and I’m turned off by the terrible electronics in the new models. The 3 Turbo Premium looks great but I hate that no touch screen system. The civic hatch is better in that area-much better-and looks great on the inside, but I’m not sure I can live with 150 hp less. Not sure what to do.
Get a Corolla GR 🤩
150 is just the 2.0 litre, get the turbo!
I have a Mazda3 hatch and have to weigh in that I think the electronics interface is fantastic. It has hard buttons for easy swapping between functions (including within Car Play) and after an hour of use you won’t miss a touch screen at all. When I rent cars with touch screens now, I wonder why people like them. Using a touch screen on a road with bumps is far too distracting compared to Mazda’s solution. In other words, if you like the Mazda, don’t let the touch screen situation dissuade you.
You can get lumbar support from a small cushion - many people do not need or want lumbar support.
The exl trim in nyc is currently almost $32K, inclusive of taxes and fees. Not paying over 30k for a civic…
The problem is every review is of the highest trim and the lower trims are very different (and not as impressive)
It’s a longstanding and ongoing problem. It sets the consumer up to purchase more car than she needs or be disappointed.
You still get the best driving compact mainstream car on the market regardless of what trim you choose. They put their money in the driving dynamics and not technology
They aren't that different. The basic dashboard design is the same. Yes, there are fewer premium materials, but that's what you should expect in a base trim. The audio system is more basic and there are fewer electronic extras, but that's also normal. Mechanically there is very little difference aside from the engine. The transmission and suspension are the same.
@@markmiller3279 A Civic Touring sedan 1.5T CVT will drive significantly different than a base trim hatchback 2.0L with the 6MT which also weighs 200 lbs less.
It’s the new integra!!!
Does anyone know when the hybrid version will come to the American market?
Will this be the body of the type R?
Alex, I had to stop and rewind the video 6:00 to confirm the Civic actually has less rear headroom that the pitiful quantity we find in the Corolla hatch. Once again, fashionable, swoopy lines severely compromise function. In Honda's case, the relatively generous rear seat legroom is negated by the ridiculous deficiency in headroom.
I rarely, if ever have adults in backseats. I think most people that do will buy a larger car. Head room just isn't that important to the average small car shopper.
It's borderline to me. I do put adults in the back, but arranging things so the tallest passenger is in front is usually possible. It looks like a six-footer could fit if he was in a more normal, relaxed position. Alex was sitting bolt upright when he was against the roof. The Mazda3 has poor rear legroom and about the same headroom. The Corolla and GTI have less legroom and only a little more headroom. Only the Mazda strikes me as a problem for adults.
@@markmiller3279 Form is supposed to follow function not impede it. The exaggerated slope in the roofline is a design indulgence that will force many people who would prefer to drive a car to get a less efficient CUV instead. For nearly a decade we have had a trend of slicing rooflines of sedans and hatches. The sales trajectory across the industry has been downward for cars as they become more and more stylish. Practical people are forced into CUVs whether they really want them or not. I cannot specify numbers for Hondas but if you compare today's Corolla hatch to a Matrix from less than a decade ago, the roofline is 6 inches lower!
@@rightlanehog3151 I feel like it's the other way around. Shoppers went to "practical" vehicles first and then the sedans focused on style and carrying people, not stuff. Most people don't notice rear seat headroom because they aren't in the rear seat for extended periods, or they slouch more. I'm very appreciative of style forward sedans but they don't have to be for everybody and there are still several that are not.
@@falkin42 Please name one sedan with decent rear headroom compared to its predecessor from a decade ago.
I recently rode in a couple year old Civic through Lyft. I was shocked how rough the ride was and how much noise was coming through the floor.
"A bit ...too grown up" ?? Hello? Honda has never been about shouting, "Hey.... look at me". I enjoy Honda's sub-duded and clean styling
Excellent design much better than last Gen which was runt of the litter. Give it a HUD and 360 degree camera system and a redo of the turbo to eliminate fears of oil dilution and carbon build up on intake valves. Great review!
It sucks that they stick a CVT in this gem 👎
I’ve now seen many of these Civics on the road, and it is one of the few cars that look better in videos and pics, than in person.
But still, is more attractive than the more expensive Accord.
The 2022 civic looks definitely looks better in person. the accord definitely still has the advantage in looks, especially in the front
The 2022 civic looks definitely looks better in person. the accord definitely still has the advantage in looks, especially in the front
Is the CVT in this Civic, the same CVT that's in my 21 Accord Sport SE?
If it's a 1.5t engine, then Yes.