Hatchback, always! Although I'd say the hatch is raked enough on the Civic to call it a "liftback", which is the perfect compromise between a hatcbach and sedan rendering the sedan superfluous.
Rear on the hatch is also more nicely designed. Looks + functional + available MT = win. Prices have gone bonkers though. My '11 Accord coupe I4 5AT had a $29K CAD MSRP. Sure, it doesn't have Honda Sensing but VSA is all the safety tech I really need. Also, issues with AEB on newer Honda's I am sure not missing
@@xp50player There are two separate definitions for the shape and the function. A sloping roofline is traditionally a fastback, which becomes a Kammback if the tail is cut vertically (Sportback is just Audi's marketing). Liftback is if the window opens up together with the trunk lid, no matter what the shape of the car. In the past there were liftback sedans or also non-liftback fastbacks (very impractical). This Civic is a fastback, cut enough to be considered a Kammback, and also happens to be a liftback.
Recently got a 6spd Manual Sport Touring and love it. Great all rounder car for fun to drive factor, luxury features, practical with the hatchback door and excellent gas mileage. Worth the over 30K price. Nice job Honda!
@@robme3660 I’ve only put 800ish miles on mine so can’t really say I guess but the clutch is super light and feels very smooth in this car. Very different experience than the rougher more grinding clutch experience I had in my previous ‘09 Legacy Subaru manual. Probably comparing apples to oranges though.
The shithead Honda dealers near me are jacking the price up $3,000 over MSRP, just because they can. This car is awesome, I'd be happy to own one. But that kind of gauging is a non-starter and places it outside of my budget. If I find a place that sells it to me for MSRP, I may very well trade in my Mustang for one. Looking for more practicality, with reliability and handling still intact. Want the Sport Touring Hatchback
@@weesnaww the dealership I bought mine from wanted 5K over MSRP for a 6spd manual Sonic Grey Sport Touring. I negotiated it to $3,700 over MSRP, more than I wanted to pay for sure but I’m happy with the car 😀
That's true, but I think the point, here, is that the new Civic is more than just compact, reliable, and economical; it is also *fun* to drive, while the Hatchback offers additional utility.
I've seen so many reviews. All you car critics Reee when you mention cvt and can't say why. Just REE its a cvt "frowny face" let me tell you something. after years of working on Hondas at the dealership level i can tell how many times I've replace a cvt trans. as many times as I've been to the moon. If the sticker label didn't have cvt trans written on it nobody would know the difference. they are so smooth. such light packaging and less moving parts. its a marvel of engineering and other brands failures in the cvt playing field is not honda's problem. they nailed it the first try.
I have 2019 hatch back, bought it new...6MT...I have seen 44MPG on the highway....and the stock Contential tires are actually really good....they handle the snow quit well, no complaints, even compared to the Nokian WG4 All Weather tires that I now have on there. I would actually stick with the stock tires over the Nokian for all around performance
So many of these comments are hung up on the price. This is the touring model, which is the most expensive. You can still get the base trim for about 22. Of course you can buy an AWD car, or an accord for 33k... But it will be a much lower trim. Compare apples to apples, not apples to horse apples.
There's no doubt about it that the 11th generation has a more upscale look and an improved interior. The Hatchback has more advantages with more cargo space and better handling. I also believe that the Hatchback has a better look. When you drop down to a lower trim like the regular sport you are getting a 2.0 engine that has alot less power. I currently have a 21 Civic sport hatchback that I am leasing. When my lease comes up, I will look to purchase the hatchback touring so I get all the bells 🔔 and whistles! The Civic still remains one of the best if not the best in the compact segment. I really enjoyed the 21 Civic hatchback sport as it's always enjoyable to drive 🚗! Kudos to Honda for finding ways to refine the Civic!
@@slowgoat6089 the sporthatch has 18 inch rims with lower profile tires, a stiffer suspension and sits a bit lower to the ground to enhance the handling. The cornering is quite good with very minimal if any body roll. It's a great car! It's not a choppy ride and quite comfortable. Highly recommended.
In the interest of reliability I would pick the entry level non turbo engine vs the 1.5T which here in USA never got recalled with the oil dilution problem (details available at Consumer reports). However if you ignore that the 1.5T with CVT is not bad if you turn off traction control. I do like the old 5 speed or may be Honda will use the newer 10 speed on the Civic. Haven't driven the manual I bet it would be by far better than the CVT.
The oil dilution problem stems from 2 things. 1. Engine (during break in) didn't get hot enough to properly seat piston rings, mostly due to people driving less than a few miles so the engine never got warm. 2. predominantly in colder states (due to issue 1). I own a CRV and traded in my 2020 civic sport, both with 1.5t's and live in the PCNW, never had an issue due to properly "driving" my cars enough for the engine to heat / cool. Honda also issued a software update early 2017 that supposed to help warm the engine quicker. I had 2 people talk to me about the issue with oil dillution, both literally drove their cars less then 3 miles before turning off the engine. One friend took my advice and drive her CRV 1200 miles to CA and after she came back, no more issues. However, the other did the same thing, and didn't solve it.. My advice, if you want the 1.5t, make sure you drive it until warmed up before turning off the engine. I am doing so with my new 2022 civic T, just to make sure.
@@ac3shi6h A car should be able to drive a short distance without having oil dilution problems. You seem to be proposing that a driver with a short commute to work should travel a couple miles then drive around in circles until the engine has gotten hot enough before the car can be parked. Then at the end of the day the driver goes home and has to drive in circles again before parking the car. If that's what it takes, the only driver error was the initial mistake of buying a flawed car.
My friend had a 1997 2 door civic coupe in high school and he never changed the oil. Tires were bald, and it had a fartcan exhaust. But it’d drive forever on 5 bucks of gas. Really great car for a kid. These new Civics have changed so much over the years from what they were. I sat in a new Civic at the auto show last month and I’d never call the seats comfortable. They definitely were designed to sculpt to the body and hold it in place. But I find the seats extremely firm with no plushness or give to them. I’d much rather have a plush, pillow top seat for all day soft comfortable driving.
Excellent video as always! I'd like to see someone try out the naturally aspirated Sport hatch with the stick, I would definitely want the hatch but I'm not sure if the extra 5 grand is worth it for a not-Si (the added luxury bits notwithstanding).
I owned a 2021 Hatchback Sport and now have a ‘23 Sport. While I love the car, I’m disappointed how Honda increased the price while taking away so many features my old one had: dual exhaust, walk away lock, higher quality sound system, extra USB ports, etc. And still no blind spot monitoring.
Sad that its very hard to get any honda at msrp nowadays (especially si). You'll be lucky to get one for 35k honestly. Markups nowadays are common for any car but especially for Honda its wild.
I currently have a 2015 Honda Civic Si sedan. I’m looking for more room(hatchback), better gas mileage, and AWD. The new civics are very nice but don’t have any opinions for AWD. For that reason I’m mostly going to get a crosstrek. It checks out all my boxes and is relatively cheap. I’m looking into moving to a place where it snows and has rough roads(not all pavement).
I have a 2013 Mazda 3 with a 6 sp manual. EPA mpg is 27 city, 39 highway, and 32 combined. During the warmer months I average around 34-35 combined. On a strictly highway trip, I have gotten as high as 45 mpg.
As Honda gets ready to replace the 3rd gen Insight with a 4th gen Insight, or a Civic Hybrid, whichever path they choose, the main thing Honda should do with their next compact hybrid is make it a liftback. They did this with the Integra, they should do it again with the Insight. Sure, the Integra wasn't received well, but if the Integra was a sedan and not a liftback, I'm certain that that would've been worse.
@@mr.grumps3544 They confirmed that they will axe the Insight amd replace it with a Civic hybrid. Question is whether the new Civic hybrid will be based of Civic sedan or Civic hatch?
@@xp50player but then again, hatch hybrid amd sedan hybrid are equally likely for the US market. The hybrid is hatch only in Europe, but the hybrid is sedan only in Asia
I really want the hatchback sport in Manual but with the 2.0 non turbo. The only problem is,...... finding one especially if you want a certain color.....😢
Great Video, would have been even better if you had one of them as an ex or sport, to show a contrast between the touring and the version that most people will buy.
This was cool to see that the 1.5Ts were no slouch compared to their 2.0T counterparts. I checked all through your channel it seems like you guys never got to making a video for the 11th gen Civic Si
Hi! Yeah, the Civic Si is lame when you compare it to the Civic Type R. The Si is a simple no-thrill manual trans-stick shift and not much fun to drive. The 2022 Accord was the last year to get the nice 2.0 Turbo Touring, before that was the Accord V6 which was awesome. The Civic choices are limited to Touring sedan and the very nice Type R. I was not able to obtain a 2022 Accord 2.0T Touring since only could find dealers out of state and refused to sell as only sold to those in the state. I require more headroom than the Civic could provide but bought a 2022 Civic Touring for my wife. I got myself a 2023 Toyota XSE V6 fully loaded and have no regrets. Honda vehicles have the aggravating and worthless Idle-Stop and very glad not to deal with it. Also, Toyota Camry handles, drives, and is comfortable like the 2022 Accord but the Camry cabin is much quieter. I get many compliments with the 2 tone Supersonic Red/Midnight Black. I tell people it's just a Camry with a flashy and sporty paint job but they say it is still impressive.
@richscott2483 doubt your camry will give anything close to the Si's excitement and packed ton of features which the camry lacks. There's also no lineage or following on your camry whether an XSE or not, you didn't even buy the TRD that could be manageable. - The Si has its community & dedicated following. Next time get the car that ticks all the real boxes for a real car guy
Some consideration of the differences tell me that civic sedan should be quieter than the civic hatch because of the softer suspension, less aggressive wheels, and separation (by rear seats) of the main cabin and trunk but is it noticeably different?
I had that integra, fun to drive stick, had 17" konig with 40 profile summer skinnies. Until I traded it in for Hyundai Tiburon, which at the time looked spectacular.
Basically no reason to get a sedan over a hatchback except for extra noise in the rear seat from the hatch at speed. The hatch back is huge, and only has marginally less flat cargo area than our Acura MDX. An incredible package for a family.
Good video with a good personality. I like that you have an opinion not just all positive on everything. I also like you talk in a normal voice without all that fake excited voice as other Ytubers do it in. Why do the mirrors look drooooopy? looks strange. Si is the way to go but even that isn't that fast either.
Nah, the sedan looks way better, but I would probably still go with the hatch only because of the extra cargo capacity. Oh and the wheels also look better on the sedan.
@@Truthseeker71 different tastes, for different audiences. They don't sell sedans in Europe... Sedans are dead here for most brands. I think because SUVs have taken over practically the whole market place, sedans just look awkward in comparison now... Like a car with a trunk seems almost unnatural in design. I think it depends on your conditioning. But I find the sedan here has a very bland rear design, some kind of boring early 2000s architecture.
I wanted a standard soooooo bad when I bought my new civic. But I was in a time crunch and really needed a vehicle or I was stuck with an expensive rental for who knows how long. I ended up in a CVT sport touring. I’m actually really impressed with it. I honestly can’t tell it’s CVT, unless I really push it and it holds the rpm’s in such a weird way haha
Would have liked to hear some impressions and comparisons to other similarly priced/sized vehicles with similar functionality/design. Kia Forte, Hyundai Elantra, Subaru Impreza, Toyota Corolla, Nissan Sentra, Mazda3.
With the Civic, night&day diffrence with Manual vs CVT. Dynamically, my 10th Gen is better then the 11th Gen, but interior of 11th is a home run. Other then utility for Hatchback, biggest factor (vs Sedan) is Alliston assembly plant, which makes the most reliable cars in the world (I'd put the Canadian assembly plant above the Japanese). For track performance, I'd pit my base GenX 6MT Sedan over current Si, which is why i'm not going to upgrade for a long while (and Type-R is too expensive).
Why do you think the 10th is more dynamic? I'm not arguing... I have a 10th gen 6mt hatchback which I love....I'm just curious because I haven't driven an 11th gen, but the auto media seems to think that it drives better than the 10th gen.
@@UKEntomology Only have a brief drive with 11th CVT Sedan and it drover perfect for its mission. My 10th 6MT Sedan should have the same mission, but perhaps out of fluke, its noticeably better. It doesn't feel as refined as 11th, but it makes better use of the available rubber and more willing to change direction. Given they both share the same global chassis, I'm attributing it to 300lb lighter 10th Gen base Sedan and 1.4inch shorter wheelbase. Your hatchback doesn't have the weight advantage when compared to 11th, but shorter wheelbase (vs 11th) should give it better turn-ins. However, longer wheelbase of 11th may be more agreeable to heavier engine up front (like Type-Rs).
Hatchback!!! I switched from sedan to hatchback! Very easy to load things in the trunk. It's cheap version of SUV with better handling. The only downside is you will get blind by other SUV's crappy shitt ass LED at night!
Great review, I really enjoyed it. Did you ever get around to reviewing the SI? I can't find it on your video list. I'm in BC, Canada and I think that might make a nice summer car to relieve my TRD pro 4Runner's year round duties.
Love this vehicle. Been trying to find a dealer who'll sell me one at MSRP. No luck so far. I'm afraid this is the new business model for dealerships. Keep inventory as low as possible and charge whatever you want for the car.
The Sudan just about nicks it for me . I love the color and its got a touch more class . I’ve been looking at the Kia A3 but then Honda brought this on the market , a little bit more money but I think it’s worth it .
What is the cargo area of the sedan with the seats folded flat, and does it allow for longer items like skis which the shorter hatchback may not take. Are the hatchback number under the cover or measured covering the back window?
@@drivingsports thanks I am guessing the sedan has more cargo feet all things being equal with the back seats folded, assuming you keep it from blocking the rear window. Because it is longer. But it cannot take bulky items like a hatch opening can get.
It's funny how it seems that no one ever notices on Honda's that the plastic bumpers and the body of the car don't match. Every time I see one, the first thing I see is the color shade difference between the plastic and the metal parts of the car. It seems really odd for such a great brand, especially when I don't see it anywhere else.
Other reviews have recorded notably quicker 0-60 mph times (up to 1-sec quicker). There can be differences between individual units off a production line, or maybe they were brake-torquing at the start, probably not advisable with a CVT.
Other media outlets have been known to use trickery in providing 0-60 times. Such as subtracting the initial launch time, or starting the timer after the speedometer begins moving.
Its the wet road and he's launching it in sport I bet which is actually slower cuz it keeps the revs higher which is actually bad when most of your torque is at the lower end.
12:43 I guess I'm one of the few out there that's perfectly fine with driving a manual in traffic. I regularly drive around in NY and never felt myself wishing I had an automatic instead in those situations.
A sedan will always have a more rigid body frame compared to its hatchback equivalent, so the sedan simply does not need a stiffer suspension setup at the rear.
My Scion TC has a sun roof in the front and back and I wish that the civic did as well. I'm still getting the hatch when my Scion is no longer worth putting money into.
I am getting one next month after trading in my 2020 mazda3 sport gt. Honda said i dont need undercoat or any rust proof protection. Would you recommend one?
I keep reading that the 1.5 Turbo is just a problem waiting to happen.. Much truth to this? I want to buy the 22 Civic Sport Touring and it only comes with the 1.5 (would have loved a 2;0 Normally Aspirated) .. :-(
idle stop is a pain in the @$$. i forgot to turn it off one time and was at a stop to merge onto a high speed congested highway. the idle stop turned off the engine and turned it on while i floored it and the car jerked unexpectedly including the steering wheel. i keep forgetting to turn it off. it's on by default. the steering paddles sometimes are on the way when steering. i paid $3k dealer markup. total was $38k... boost blue was an extra cost.
The video was GREAT! The Civil and Accord are the most boring things I can't stop seeing and hearing about, I don't get it. So Boring omg... but I drive a Mini Cooper so most cars are boring after that but man what's the appeal?
Hatch 24/7.. And you can get a manual Transmission? Pshh.. Sign me up.. If the hatch ever got an AWD? Even with a 1.5T engine? Would be a great alternative if you miss the Subaru Hatch.
My problem with the hatchback is the dramatically shorter final drive ratio, 4.81 vs 3.24 for the sedan. That might improve performance but will definitely hit the highway economy.
Ryan, I laughed until I cried when you said, "Technically I do fit, I just can't move," at 2:58 . Why has it become accepted by virtually all sedan/hatch makers that adequate rear seat headroom is no longer a design fundamental in 4 doors?
@@blueryxfalls7949 well, there is a reason why most of the automobiles sold are small, people like small cars cause is just what they need, there are lots of people who will be comfortable in a civic or in an even smaller car like the corolla
We just got a 22 hatchback ST and the remote start and sunroof don’t always work. Its got 100 miles! Went to Honda and they can’t even look at it because when we got there it worked. Duh, the issue is in 2 hours it stops working. Anyone else have this issue?
Honda needs to hire some REAL car guys.... Someone at Honda needs to lookup "SLEEPER"... Id like a Honda Civic sedan, SLEEPER "R"... Imagine 300 plus HP, with none of the 'glue on' nonsense... No wings, or hokie spoilers, and 'brake dusted' black wheels. Not even a single "R" badge anywhere... Make it white, black or silver only. 300+ HP, DCT, exhaust cutout switch... I can hear the punk lets in the VW Golf tube as I blast by... 'dude, that looked like my mom's Civic, and he just SLAMMED THE DOOR ON YOUR FACE".... as I DCT away, hitting the exhaust switch again going from the crackle to STEALTH SILENCE.. looking for my NEXT VICTIM...
Hatchback, always! Although I'd say the hatch is raked enough on the Civic to call it a "liftback", which is the perfect compromise between a hatcbach and sedan rendering the sedan superfluous.
Why compromise when they could have made a real sedan and a real, boxy hatchback?
Rear on the hatch is also more nicely designed. Looks + functional + available MT = win. Prices have gone bonkers though. My '11 Accord coupe I4 5AT had a $29K CAD MSRP. Sure, it doesn't have Honda Sensing but VSA is all the safety tech I really need. Also, issues with AEB on newer Honda's I am sure not missing
Sportback. A liftback doesn’t traditionally include the rear portion down to the bumper.
@@xp50player There are two separate definitions for the shape and the function.
A sloping roofline is traditionally a fastback, which becomes a Kammback if the tail is cut vertically (Sportback is just Audi's marketing).
Liftback is if the window opens up together with the trunk lid, no matter what the shape of the car.
In the past there were liftback sedans or also non-liftback fastbacks (very impractical).
This Civic is a fastback, cut enough to be considered a Kammback, and also happens to be a liftback.
@@rightlanehog3151 is perfect for me I hate boxy hatch... I'm loving this one
Recently got a 6spd Manual Sport Touring and love it. Great all rounder car for fun to drive factor, luxury features, practical with the hatchback door and excellent gas mileage. Worth the over 30K price. Nice job Honda!
@@robme3660 I’ve only put 800ish miles on mine so can’t really say I guess but the clutch is super light and feels very smooth in this car. Very different experience than the rougher more grinding clutch experience I had in my previous ‘09 Legacy Subaru manual. Probably comparing apples to oranges though.
The shithead Honda dealers near me are jacking the price up $3,000 over MSRP, just because they can. This car is awesome, I'd be happy to own one. But that kind of gauging is a non-starter and places it outside of my budget. If I find a place that sells it to me for MSRP, I may very well trade in my Mustang for one. Looking for more practicality, with reliability and handling still intact. Want the Sport Touring Hatchback
@@weesnaww the dealership I bought mine from wanted 5K over MSRP for a 6spd manual Sonic Grey Sport Touring. I negotiated it to $3,700 over MSRP, more than I wanted to pay for sure but I’m happy with the car 😀
I got the new one with 850 over MASRP. Does anyone notice that the reverse gear is a bit shaky?
Honda has done really well with this gen of civic. its compact, reliable, and a gas saver
That's true, but I think the point, here, is that the new Civic is more than just compact, reliable, and economical; it is also *fun* to drive, while the Hatchback offers additional utility.
@@kenhoward3512 yes. That’s also a big factor. I drove a stock civic even tho it’s crazy slow, it’s still crazy fun
THANK YOU for covering the spare tire. So many reviews don't mention this, especially for electrified cars at various levels.
I've seen so many reviews. All you car critics Reee when you mention cvt and can't say why. Just REE its a cvt "frowny face" let me tell you something. after years of working on Hondas at the dealership level i can tell how many times I've replace a cvt trans. as many times as I've been to the moon. If the sticker label didn't have cvt trans written on it nobody would know the difference. they are so smooth. such light packaging and less moving parts. its a marvel of engineering and other brands failures in the cvt playing field is not honda's problem. they nailed it the first try.
I built a 2022 Civic Touring hatchback with the HPD appearance package on their online configurator, and it's definitely a good looking car.
I have a hatch touring with the hpd package, and I gotta say, is amazing and really nice
I have 2019 hatch back, bought it new...6MT...I have seen 44MPG on the highway....and the stock Contential tires are actually really good....they handle the snow quit well, no complaints, even compared to the Nokian WG4 All Weather tires that I now have on there. I would actually stick with the stock tires over the Nokian for all around performance
General Altimax RT43’s are way better on the Civic
I'd choose the sedan. Just looks better imo and I like to help keep the sedan alive.
So many of these comments are hung up on the price. This is the touring model, which is the most expensive. You can still get the base trim for about 22. Of course you can buy an AWD car, or an accord for 33k... But it will be a much lower trim. Compare apples to apples, not apples to horse apples.
Those people hung up on prices don’t understand logic and common sense. Let’s not started on inflation
That has to be the best review I have ever seen. This guy really knows what he's doing. Great job.
Lol
"Savage Geese" and "Alex on Autos" are also noteworthy.
Honda sure makes a lot of good moves when it comes to making automobiles.
I think the most interesting thing about the design are those interior vent knobs.
There's no doubt about it that the 11th generation has a more upscale look and an improved interior. The Hatchback has more advantages with more cargo space and better handling. I also believe that the Hatchback has a better look. When you drop down to a lower trim like the regular sport you are getting a 2.0 engine that has alot less power. I currently have a 21 Civic sport hatchback that I am leasing. When my lease comes up, I will look to purchase the hatchback touring so I get all the bells 🔔 and whistles! The Civic still remains one of the best if not the best in the compact segment. I really enjoyed the 21 Civic hatchback sport as it's always enjoyable to drive 🚗! Kudos to Honda for finding ways to refine the Civic!
How does the hatchback have better handling? Just curious.
@@slowgoat6089 the sporthatch has 18 inch rims with lower profile tires, a stiffer suspension and sits a bit lower to the ground to enhance the handling. The cornering is quite good with very minimal if any body roll. It's a great car! It's not a choppy ride and quite comfortable. Highly recommended.
I am hoping the hybrid comes to the hatchback one day. But the turbo would be amazing as well!
You can already get it with a turbo .
I love my 2023 sport touring hatchback. I had to haul two furniture and it didn’t disappoint me at all💯
I want a pull able emergency brake! Biggest failure on my ‘17 hatch is the electric parking brake and the glitchy touchscreen on the dash.
In the interest of reliability I would pick the entry level non turbo engine vs the 1.5T which here in USA never got recalled with the oil dilution problem (details available at Consumer reports). However if you ignore that the 1.5T with CVT is not bad if you turn off traction control. I do like the old 5 speed or may be Honda will use the newer 10 speed on the Civic. Haven't driven the manual I bet it would be by far better than the CVT.
The oil dilution problem stems from 2 things. 1. Engine (during break in) didn't get hot enough to properly seat piston rings, mostly due to people driving less than a few miles so the engine never got warm. 2. predominantly in colder states (due to issue 1). I own a CRV and traded in my 2020 civic sport, both with 1.5t's and live in the PCNW, never had an issue due to properly "driving" my cars enough for the engine to heat / cool. Honda also issued a software update early 2017 that supposed to help warm the engine quicker. I had 2 people talk to me about the issue with oil dillution, both literally drove their cars less then 3 miles before turning off the engine. One friend took my advice and drive her CRV 1200 miles to CA and after she came back, no more issues. However, the other did the same thing, and didn't solve it.. My advice, if you want the 1.5t, make sure you drive it until warmed up before turning off the engine. I am doing so with my new 2022 civic T, just to make sure.
@@ac3shi6h Finally someone with common sense.
@@ac3shi6h A car should be able to drive a short distance without having oil dilution problems. You seem to be proposing that a driver with a short commute to work should travel a couple miles then drive around in circles until the engine has gotten hot enough before the car can be parked. Then at the end of the day the driver goes home and has to drive in circles again before parking the car. If that's what it takes, the only driver error was the initial mistake of buying a flawed car.
@@MartianColony77 exactly send that car back to the lot lol.
My friend had a 1997 2 door civic coupe in high school and he never changed the oil. Tires were bald, and it had a fartcan exhaust. But it’d drive forever on 5 bucks of gas. Really great car for a kid. These new Civics have changed so much over the years from what they were. I sat in a new Civic at the auto show last month and I’d never call the seats comfortable. They definitely were designed to sculpt to the body and hold it in place. But I find the seats extremely firm with no plushness or give to them. I’d much rather have a plush, pillow top seat for all day soft comfortable driving.
@@TCharlieA I feel everyone has a different experience. If I had to sit on firm seats for several hours I’d be a paraplegic.
On point review…no repeat of boring stuff
Just bought an 8th gen SI. Love my civic, nothin like it
That interior is definitely luxurious like a European car, I’m definitely considering getting one in the near future
Great review !! As always ! I’m going to place my order for the Civic hatchback in the boost blue pearl color with the HPD package
Excellent video as always! I'd like to see someone try out the naturally aspirated Sport hatch with the stick, I would definitely want the hatch but I'm not sure if the extra 5 grand is worth it for a not-Si (the added luxury bits notwithstanding).
The hatchback with the manual 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I love the Civic but I've been looking at the Insight. It looks like an accord but gets great mpg and start price.
I owned a 2021 Hatchback Sport and now have a ‘23 Sport. While I love the car, I’m disappointed how Honda increased the price while taking away so many features my old one had: dual exhaust, walk away lock, higher quality sound system, extra USB ports, etc. And still no blind spot monitoring.
Sad that its very hard to get any honda at msrp nowadays (especially si). You'll be lucky to get one for 35k honestly. Markups nowadays are common for any car but especially for Honda its wild.
look at the base model Jetta with manual trans. Should still be able to get it below MSRP
I currently have a 2015 Honda Civic Si sedan. I’m looking for more room(hatchback), better gas mileage, and AWD. The new civics are very nice but don’t have any opinions for AWD. For that reason I’m mostly going to get a crosstrek. It checks out all my boxes and is relatively cheap. I’m looking into moving to a place where it snows and has rough roads(not all pavement).
As a Crosstrek owner I can tell you a Subaru always costs more to maintain than a Honda or Toyota. Great AWD system though.
Honda Hatchback for me it looks great & has superbe versatility!!
I have a 2013 Mazda 3 with a 6 sp manual. EPA mpg is 27 city, 39 highway, and 32 combined. During the warmer months I average around 34-35 combined. On a strictly highway trip, I have gotten as high as 45 mpg.
As Honda gets ready to replace the 3rd gen Insight with a 4th gen Insight, or a Civic Hybrid, whichever path they choose, the main thing Honda should do with their next compact hybrid is make it a liftback. They did this with the Integra, they should do it again with the Insight. Sure, the Integra wasn't received well, but if the Integra was a sedan and not a liftback, I'm certain that that would've been worse.
I hear they are axing the insight. They are just going to have the civic hybrid take that role.
@@mr.grumps3544 They confirmed that they will axe the Insight amd replace it with a Civic hybrid. Question is whether the new Civic hybrid will be based of Civic sedan or Civic hatch?
@@Blank00 hoping hatch personally.
They already have the hatch hybrid as only option in Europe.
@@xp50player but then again, hatch hybrid amd sedan hybrid are equally likely for the US market. The hybrid is hatch only in Europe, but the hybrid is sedan only in Asia
I really want the hatchback sport in Manual but with the 2.0 non turbo. The only problem is,...... finding one especially if you want a certain color.....😢
Great Video, would have been even better if you had one of them as an ex or sport, to show a contrast between the touring and the version that most people will buy.
If I'm getting an economy car, there's no way I'll spend $30K. I'll probably stick with one of the lower trims.
This was cool to see that the 1.5Ts were no slouch compared to their 2.0T counterparts.
I checked all through your channel it seems like you guys never got to making a video for the 11th gen Civic Si
Hi! Yeah, the Civic Si is lame when you compare it to the Civic Type R. The Si is a simple no-thrill manual trans-stick shift and not much fun to drive.
The 2022 Accord was the last year to get the nice 2.0 Turbo Touring, before that was the Accord V6 which was awesome.
The Civic choices are limited to Touring sedan and the very nice Type R.
I was not able to obtain a 2022 Accord 2.0T Touring since only could find dealers out of state and refused to sell as only sold to those in the state. I require more headroom than the Civic could provide but bought a 2022 Civic Touring for my wife. I got myself a 2023 Toyota XSE V6 fully loaded and have no regrets. Honda vehicles have the aggravating and worthless Idle-Stop and very glad not to deal with it. Also, Toyota Camry handles, drives, and is comfortable like the 2022 Accord but the Camry cabin is much quieter. I get many compliments with the 2 tone Supersonic Red/Midnight Black. I tell people it's just a Camry with a flashy and sporty paint job but they say it is still impressive.
@richscott2483 doubt your camry will give anything close to the Si's excitement and packed ton of features which the camry lacks.
There's also no lineage or following on your camry whether an XSE or not, you didn't even buy the TRD that could be manageable. - The Si has its community & dedicated following. Next time get the car that ticks all the real boxes for a real car guy
How was the road noise difference? Tire and wind noise difference?
Some consideration of the differences tell me that civic sedan should be quieter than the civic hatch because of the softer suspension, less aggressive wheels, and separation (by rear seats) of the main cabin and trunk but is it noticeably different?
Good review Ryan. Agree it is a good commuter car. I have a 2015 Civic. But $30k, I think a AWD vehicle is better.
I had that integra, fun to drive stick, had 17" konig with 40 profile summer skinnies. Until I traded it in for Hyundai Tiburon, which at the time looked spectacular.
Basically no reason to get a sedan over a hatchback except for extra noise in the rear seat from the hatch at speed. The hatch back is huge, and only has marginally less flat cargo area than our Acura MDX. An incredible package for a family.
Good video with a good personality. I like that you have an opinion not just all positive on everything. I also like you talk in a normal voice without all that fake excited voice as other Ytubers do it in.
Why do the mirrors look drooooopy? looks strange. Si is the way to go but even that isn't that fast either.
Hatchback looks so much better from the rear and side it has Tesla vibes. Love it in red with black alloys too.
Nah, the sedan looks way better, but I would probably still go with the hatch only because of the extra cargo capacity. Oh and the wheels also look better on the sedan.
@@Truthseeker71 different tastes, for different audiences. They don't sell sedans in Europe... Sedans are dead here for most brands. I think because SUVs have taken over practically the whole market place, sedans just look awkward in comparison now... Like a car with a trunk seems almost unnatural in design. I think it depends on your conditioning. But I find the sedan here has a very bland rear design, some kind of boring early 2000s architecture.
@@andrewbarbarash3116 👌
Hatchback for me but they are both good.
I went with the sedan for my daily. I got a performance car for weekends. I'm tired of the stiffness lol
i have the hatchback absolutely love it
I wanted a standard soooooo bad when I bought my new civic. But I was in a time crunch and really needed a vehicle or I was stuck with an expensive rental for who knows how long. I ended up in a CVT sport touring. I’m actually really impressed with it. I honestly can’t tell it’s CVT, unless I really push it and it holds the rpm’s in such a weird way haha
Would have liked to hear some impressions and comparisons to other similarly priced/sized vehicles with similar functionality/design. Kia Forte, Hyundai Elantra, Subaru Impreza, Toyota Corolla, Nissan Sentra, Mazda3.
With the Civic, night&day diffrence with Manual vs CVT. Dynamically, my 10th Gen is better then the 11th Gen, but interior of 11th is a home run. Other then utility for Hatchback, biggest factor (vs Sedan) is Alliston assembly plant, which makes the most reliable cars in the world (I'd put the Canadian assembly plant above the Japanese). For track performance, I'd pit my base GenX 6MT Sedan over current Si, which is why i'm not going to upgrade for a long while (and Type-R is too expensive).
Why do you think the 10th is more dynamic? I'm not arguing... I have a 10th gen 6mt hatchback which I love....I'm just curious because I haven't driven an 11th gen, but the auto media seems to think that it drives better than the 10th gen.
@@UKEntomology Only have a brief drive with 11th CVT Sedan and it drover perfect for its mission. My 10th 6MT Sedan should have the same mission, but perhaps out of fluke, its noticeably better. It doesn't feel as refined as 11th, but it makes better use of the available rubber and more willing to change direction. Given they both share the same global chassis, I'm attributing it to 300lb lighter 10th Gen base Sedan and 1.4inch shorter wheelbase. Your hatchback doesn't have the weight advantage when compared to 11th, but shorter wheelbase (vs 11th) should give it better turn-ins. However, longer wheelbase of 11th may be more agreeable to heavier engine up front (like Type-Rs).
thanks for the recomendations i have 2020 hatchback and is the best car i had ever ..... thats the most beautiful and Whity thats i call it ........
Touring is the only way to get a personalized infotainment system and SiriusXM.
The older civic 1991-1995 vx hatchback gets epic mpg
Hatchback!!!
I switched from sedan to hatchback!
Very easy to load things in the trunk.
It's cheap version of SUV with better handling.
The only downside is you will get blind by other SUV's crappy shitt ass LED at night!
Thanks for letting me know it’s hard for me decide but I may get the hatchback
The only downside is you're driving a hatchback.
Auto dimming mirror in the Sport Touring.
I surly love the 2022 Honda Civic sedan hatchback
Great review, I really enjoyed it. Did you ever get around to reviewing the SI? I can't find it on your video list. I'm in BC, Canada and I think that might make a nice summer car to relieve my TRD pro 4Runner's year round duties.
Great review!
Great review. In the PNW I would definitely want AWD, though
Would be a nice option, but my wife's Focus ST and Blizzaks have yet to struggle in anything we've seen driving from between Oregon and Washington.
@@ALMX5DP love Blizzaks. I drove them in deep snow with a Mustang GT. Did great.
Love this vehicle. Been trying to find a dealer who'll sell me one at MSRP. No luck so far. I'm afraid this is the new business model for dealerships. Keep inventory as low as possible and charge whatever you want for the car.
I bought the Civic Sport 2022 at MSRP.The dealer was so nice.They even gave us low interest rate as Frontliners
Hatch is also quite a bit shorter considering it's the same car.
I like the civic hatchback more than the sedan version
The Sudan just about nicks it for me . I love the color and its got a touch more class . I’ve been looking at the Kia A3 but then Honda brought this on the market , a little bit more money but I think it’s worth it .
As long as its a stick shift, that's the most important!
It is a great vehicle but Honda doesn’t need Accord any more. This is big enough.
I really liked the hatch but in Canada it’s up to $5000 more over sedan. Ridiculous so I got the touring sedan
looking at Civics now and find the strangely odd as well!!!
In this scenario I would pick the hatch with the manual transmission. My real choice would be the new Integra :)
Civic much better buy than integra
i like how Honda Hatchbacks are so practical
Doesn't anyone else see how ugly the hatchback looks from behind?
What is the cargo area of the sedan with the seats folded flat, and does it allow for longer items like skis which the shorter hatchback may not take.
Are the hatchback number under the cover or measured covering the back window?
It was annoying but Honda doesn’t have that figure.
@@drivingsports thanks
I am guessing the sedan has more cargo feet all things being equal with the back seats folded, assuming you keep it from blocking the rear window.
Because it is longer.
But it cannot take bulky items like a hatch opening can get.
It's funny how it seems that no one ever notices on Honda's that the plastic bumpers and the body of the car don't match.
Every time I see one, the first thing I see is the color shade difference between the plastic and the metal parts of the car.
It seems really odd for such a great brand, especially when I don't see it anywhere else.
Other reviews have recorded notably quicker 0-60 mph times (up to 1-sec quicker). There can be differences between individual units off a production line, or maybe they were brake-torquing at the start, probably not advisable with a CVT.
It's possible that the slickness of the wet road caused a slower 0-60 time.
Other media outlets have been known to use trickery in providing 0-60 times. Such as subtracting the initial launch time, or starting the timer after the speedometer begins moving.
Its the wet road and he's launching it in sport I bet which is actually slower cuz it keeps the revs higher which is actually bad when most of your torque is at the lower end.
Has Honda solved the oil dilution problem?
12:43 I guess I'm one of the few out there that's perfectly fine with driving a manual in traffic. I regularly drive around in NY and never felt myself wishing I had an automatic instead in those situations.
“Driving around” is different than bumper to bumper city traffic 11 miles every day to work. If you ever want to drink a cup of coffee, that gets old.
A sedan will always have a more rigid body frame compared to its hatchback equivalent, so the sedan simply does not need a stiffer suspension setup at the rear.
Hello. Are you planning to do a review of the current 2023 Honda Civic? Thanks!
My Scion TC has a sun roof in the front and back and I wish that the civic did as well. I'm still getting the hatch when my Scion is no longer worth putting money into.
Would have been nice to compare the base engine to the turbo. 30k for a Civic though??? Seems too expensive.
That's the touring. You can still get the same car with a lot of features for 22
It’s worse in Canada. Base model with taxes is $30,000 Canadian
@@kevinW826 2022 Civic si is a bargain in Canada , fully loaded, if, that’s if, you can get one
It's worth it.
Economical sedan: 31k! The times we are living!
BTW, you have two chapters called "hatchback driving impressions" when the last chapter should be "sedan driving impressions".
Thanks!
I want the civic touring sedan but with a 6 speed manual, I don't want the SI and its over bolstered non power seats, likely stiffer ride as well!
I am getting one next month after trading in my 2020 mazda3 sport gt. Honda said i dont need undercoat or any rust proof protection. Would you recommend one?
Got the 2023 sedan although I really wanted the touring, I just couldn’t get myself to pay over 30 grand for a Civic
How do you like it? I’m trying to decide whether to get the sedan or the Hatchback.
I keep reading that the 1.5 Turbo is just a problem waiting to happen.. Much truth to this?
I want to buy the 22 Civic Sport Touring and it only comes with the 1.5
(would have loved a 2;0 Normally Aspirated) .. :-(
Can you do a video on the Prius awd?
idle stop is a pain in the @$$. i forgot to turn it off one time and was at a stop to merge onto a high speed congested highway. the idle stop turned off the engine and turned it on while i floored it and the car jerked unexpectedly including the steering wheel. i keep forgetting to turn it off. it's on by default. the steering paddles sometimes are on the way when steering. i paid $3k dealer markup. total was $38k... boost blue was an extra cost.
That boost blue looks so good. I have the hatch sport touring in sonic grey.
The video was GREAT! The Civil and Accord are the most boring things I can't stop seeing and hearing about, I don't get it. So Boring omg... but I drive a Mini Cooper so most cars are boring after that but man what's the appeal?
Unlike the Mini Cooper, the appeal is that it doesn’t need regular repairs…
waiting for the civic type r to come out to buy into the new generation.
Hatch 24/7.. And you can get a manual Transmission? Pshh.. Sign me up.. If the hatch ever got an AWD? Even with a 1.5T engine? Would be a great alternative if you miss the Subaru Hatch.
IF you can actually GET a manual. They make it so hard to get one, you'll have to settle for a CVT.
@@joeyyung911 "Settle." And that sir, is the million dollar word.
Facts
Hi is this the Honda Civic ex interested in buying one. Thanks
The best car in class.
I really can't stand how that CVT sounds. It sounds like a vacuum cleaner struggling in thick rug.
My problem with the hatchback is the dramatically shorter final drive ratio, 4.81 vs 3.24 for the sedan. That might improve performance but will definitely hit the highway economy.
The new si is geared very short also and Its at 3100 rpm in 6th gear at 75mpg but I still average 40 mpg on the highway.
I,ve had both, hatch drives better
I think hatchback with the 2.0 is the way to go!
That motor is great, loves to rev, but lacks a little oomph.
Ryan, I laughed until I cried when you said, "Technically I do fit, I just can't move," at 2:58 . Why has it become accepted by virtually all sedan/hatch makers that adequate rear seat headroom is no longer a design fundamental in 4 doors?
I believe It is acceptable cause this cars are designed for people under about 180 lbs, 5 ft 10 inches
@@alvilla701 not even short people want to buy things that are not spacious, it's a miss
@@blueryxfalls7949 well, there is a reason why most of the automobiles sold are small, people like small cars cause is just what they need, there are lots of people who will be comfortable in a civic or in an even smaller car like the corolla
Take off the baseball cap and you won’t have a problem. Sombreros also not compatible.
@@blueryxfalls7949 it is more spacious than corolla and mazda
We just got a 22 hatchback ST and the remote start and sunroof don’t always work. Its got 100 miles! Went to Honda and they can’t even look at it because when we got there it worked. Duh, the issue is in 2 hours it stops working. Anyone else have this issue?
Folks if u don't buy manuals, Honda in a yr or so will drop the option. Yes mine a stick.
Дали седан версията има повече място за главите на пътуващите отзад от хечбек версията на модела?
Honda needs to hire some REAL car guys.... Someone at Honda needs to lookup "SLEEPER"... Id like a Honda Civic sedan, SLEEPER "R"... Imagine 300 plus HP, with none of the 'glue on' nonsense... No wings, or hokie spoilers, and 'brake dusted' black wheels. Not even a single "R" badge anywhere... Make it white, black or silver only. 300+ HP, DCT, exhaust cutout switch... I can hear the punk lets in the VW Golf tube as I blast by... 'dude, that looked like my mom's Civic, and he just SLAMMED THE DOOR ON YOUR FACE".... as I DCT away, hitting the exhaust switch again going from the crackle to STEALTH SILENCE.. looking for my NEXT VICTIM...
look amazing car
Did he ever review the si?
I can't find a Touring in the U.S. only EX-L. Is this only for outside of U.S.? EX-L doesn't have all the same high end features.
It’s too bad they don’t offer the SI as a hatchback, so much more practical.
They do get a type r
@@fahadwaqar631 type r a totally different beast