YUP. Found that out a little while ago. Really weird. I still get it though if I reset the computer than toggling it off or on fixes it. Its been ok in the 24.2.1 driver from the little I have tested it. I've been mostly using the 4090 but you are right. I wonder what causes it because others say they have no issues. I did a whole different build with brand new parts and a different cpu and still experienced the same thing.
@@TerraWare Worth mentioning i was using a 6900 xt back then. Meanwhile upgraded to a 7900 XTX and never had the issue there but if i encounter some random stuttering one day i know what to try.
Haven''t commented on your videos lately, busy live, haha. 😀Thanks for taking the time to do this. I see your channel is growing. Well deserved. Now about the video - that is actually very impressive performance boost that I did not expect. Around 10% in most games and I expected less than 5. Can you do the same video for the 6800XT to see what kind of performance we can squeeze out of that old fella, hehe?
Honestly, it's kinda sad that overclocking has been less and less effective, due to frequency boost technologies. I missed the old days with Kepler/Maxwell
Yup. You used to be able to overclock CPU's and GPU's to a whole other upper tier of products and these days the manufacturers have refined their boost algorithms and binning processes CPU's and GPU's run at close to peak out of the box. Which is not all bad. Bad for use who like to tweak things and good for people who dont that can get their money's worth from their purchase.
I mean, instead of the rated frequency of 2560 mhz you get dynamic boost to 2700~... Back then the cards simply capped in their max frequency, or stayed at base frequency when the load was low. Dynamic saves power on lighter loads and automatically pushes clocks on higher loads... OC is less effective because things are already well tuned. :)
Resizable BAR increases traffic on PCIE... Its a industry standard. Depends on the game if itd actually used (request different memory pool allocation). Games traditionally only had 256MB so they maybe opted not to. If its stutter, could be platform defect (eg: marginal gen4) due to vertical mount riser. 9:25
Right I know how it works and what it does. I also do use a PCIE riser but it is 4.0 and I've tested it and know it runs at 4.0 X16. No lane switching or anything messing with the PCIe lanes. My bulk of the issues with it are related to recording gameplay footage using Adrenalin anyway. Something I dont experience on my Ryzen 5900X AM4 rig. I've tried to get to the bottom of this, tried disabling the iGPU on the cpu through bios tried it all lol. I dont have any other RX 7000 GPU's to try, I have a Ryzen 7700X and tried it with that, tried on a B650 board, brand new build, no vertical riser, different kit of ram, same thing.
Great video, 10%average was always the increase I got on all my cards when Overclocking which imo is great. As for the driver, I've no issues with SAM yet but my OC profile reverts back to default every time I shut down (and to those wondering all my OC profiles are stable, always do really extensive testing and this also happens with my ''soft'' OC profile which is not nearly as aggressive, in fact it's an undervolt with + 100 mhz to frequency clock and fast mem timings with +112 mhz which is fairly less than what my card can handle). Hope they patch it up soon, granted my issue is small since I just reload the profile and have zero issues while my pc is running+playing games but others get stutters etc which is big. Great work man!
I havent had any issues with SAM on my 6800XT or my 7900XTX when paired with my AM4 (Ryzen 5900X/3700X/2600) It's only with the 7900XTX and AM5 (Ryzen 7800X 3D/Ryzen 7700X) Your OC profile resetting does happen with some driver version but can also be influenced by the model of you GPU sometimes. I got a message from someone with a 6800XT in another vide recently saying their custom fan profile kept resetting everytime they restart their PC on the 24.1.1 driver.
@@TerraWare Yup makes perfect sense that his fan is resetting since it counts as a custom profile so the driver probably just resets the whole thing OC or not. I'm using the Asus Tuf version in my case and yea I've only ever had this issue with this driver or in the past when I had a power outage which makes sense, AMD software tracks that and reverts to default for protection which is good.
@@TerraWare Damn and that's easily one of the top models one can get, I'd expect these kind of issues from an ASRock model or powerwolf. Anyways really hope they take care of the SAM issue regarding am5 platforms since that's a decent chunk of performance left on the table, like another 10% more or less if I'm not mistaken..
Actually some pretty decent gains in Avatar and RE4.... Ive not had any problems with SAM yet but i did find a stuttering issue in Fortnite and a surprising amount of people told me to disable SAM, it turned out to be the Nanite setting instead.
Nitro+ was built to be overclocked lol. It's the only vapor chamber cooling designed 7900XTX I think. The TUF 7900XTX may be as well am not sure. My TUF 4090 is.
Always worth Overclocking if stable, it's free performance. First thing I did when got my 7900XTX Nitro+. The only pain was making sure it was stable in all my games, lots of testing before I found the best most stable overclock. Now it's been super stable ever since
@@TerraWare th-cam.com/video/Mbz3RF_PDqo/w-d-xo.html I did this video a while back. I watched a video from Ancient Gameplays & learned a lot from him. Anything lower than 1130 and I'd get crashes in certain games and not many others. Super Stable now however and i'm getting an extra 10-15 fps in most games
@@TerraWare Oh and the fast timings were not working well for my card, noticed some stutters and weird stuff in some games. The thing is no GPU is the same
@@TerraWare th-cam.com/video/Mbz3RF_PDqo/w-d-xo.html This is my profile, not sure if my first post went through, something happening lately with my posts not showing after i Submit
I was crouched on the left side and closer to the grass unknowingly. I even went back to look at the raw unedited footage because I show my settings before each recording. It was the same settings. Never changed them, didn't have to reinstall drivers or anything. Sometimes that will reset settings in game.
I have been testing games with sam enabled and disabled, when enabled I get bad performance, big stutters, no more crashes like before (maybe due to the new RAM fixes with the bios update) maybe doing all this fixes crashes and blue screens, but the games still feel bad until I uninstall the wallpaper engine, now everything is fine, I don't know how the wallpaper engine mess performance so much, I won't use it again.
Wallpaper engine probably occupies some resources but the SAM thing is weird. I have even experienced some stutter even with SAM disabled (it's rare) and than I enable it and things run fine until I restart computer than have to disable SAM again. Its so strange because none of this shit happens when I use my 7900XTX with my Ryzen 5900X PC. For me it's like AM5 and the 7900XTX don't get along very will at times and it should be the opposite.
@terranigma4027 Hi again, It seems that wallpaper engine wasn't the problem, when I uninstalled wallpaper engine and restarted the PC I got bad performance again, so i try disabling something called hdcp on screen settings and now everything is 100% fixed. no stutters, no tearing, low input lag, smooth, I'm really happy.
It's also the same story with the 7900XT, overclocked to 2900/2600-3000/2600 gets about the same performance of a stock XTX on most games, maybe in best/worst case scenarios a 1-4fps difference, but the gain is quite substantial, especially if you get a better binned one and are able to pull those clocks while drawing less than 400W, and costing 300usd less
4K isn't worth it men. You need such a good GPU and 1440p is a nice sweet spot. I will upgrade to 4K only in a few years when 60-90 fps is normal for this resolution.
@@TerraWare @stabilozz 1440p is the sweet spot now but only up to 32" displays. Beyond that is where 4K shines for gaming, especially in racing/flight sims and strategy, RPG games. Shooters and such games are better on 24-27" displays, but i rarely ever play FPS games this days.
No its been something I've dealt with since I've had the 7900XTX. It mostly happens when I am recording footage using Adrenalin Software for me but sometimes it happens on gameplay too. I have a spare Ryzen 7700X I have tried too with a different new motherboard same thing. Works fine on my AM4 CPU's though
@@TerraWare Oh right I see. It defo must be these driver updates then because i've noticed a fair few things since I got the GPU with Adrenalin software after an update. Had freeze ups but been a lot better the past 4 months
O rly? I've gone as low as 1060mv but had a crash once so I keep it 1070mv as a minimum. The way I understand it is undervolting doesn't necessarily make the card consume less power as much as it allows the clocks to boost higher which is probably why the power consumption remains the same.
@@TerraWare You are correct for the most part. My gpu is pegged at 462w ,even 1120v will make it unstable. Generally it will max the clocks before reaching power or thermal limit 110c junction. I have seen in some games with heavy RT that it gets lower clocks without reaching any of those limits and not cpu bottlenecked either,but uncommon. Whats ur hotspot temps?
@@vyathaen Right I've noticed the clocks drop below 2.8ghz in some titles. Especially with 24.1.1 where clocks seem to be 50 to 100mhz less than previously, I made a video about it recently. My Hotspot's around 15 to 20C delta. I don't actively monitor it but I don't recall ever seeing it above 95. Often times when I run these benchmarks my case is open so that helps I'm sure.
So looking at Avatar i'm getting about 60fps at Ultra Quality FSR 3 on my 7900XTX. Defo playable and goes up in less intensive moments. I get some drops to 50s but doesnt go below 50fps then I turn on Frame gen for it and it feels good. I could easily however just play it without Frame gen because it doesn't have any drops for it to show, feels really smooth FSR Quality mode i'll obviously get more 75fps - 80fps plus I'd really recommend trying out the FSR 3 Mod however because it blows my mind the image quality and performance gains
@@jeffreyrodriguez9009 Well not everyone seems to experience issues with SAM and as far as myself it happens when I record gameplay footage. Just gaming it's fine.
It's just the sun angle is slightly different and I think I may have been crouched because starting the recording is CTRL+SHIFT+E but its the same exact settings. Didnt even relaunch the game, just loaded the OC profile fast traveled to the same spot and ran. But you know what, it is unusually different in performance. I am willing to check it out again at some point.
Overclocking the GPU is next to pointless. It reroutes voltage from the memory to maintain stability if it gets scared (because AMD is overly conservative) and the VRAM ECC kicks in to compensate. You might get a whopping 5% more FPS from the GPU, but then -30% because the RAM is busy fixing errors every cycle leading to a net drop in performance. It's best to not even touch the GPU, but instead find your highest stable VRAM overclock with fast timings using memtest with Vulcan, max your power slider and call it a day. Overclocking is dead.
You do get a bump in average and 1% lows though, could be 5 all the way to 15% in some cases. Now is that worth it at the expense of higher power consumption. For me probably not. I've tried overclocking the 4090 too and for that one its not really worth it. Very little gains. I'd rather lower the power limit.
On Alan Wake 2 you'll be able to max everything on ray tracing with the FSR 3 Mod. Same with Cyberpunk and get FSR 3 Quality th-cam.com/video/03X-3JMZJmo/w-d-xo.html
This is an old issue i had when updating to 24.1.1. Actually you can disable SAM and then reenable it, and it will stop the stuttering.
YUP. Found that out a little while ago. Really weird. I still get it though if I reset the computer than toggling it off or on fixes it. Its been ok in the 24.2.1 driver from the little I have tested it. I've been mostly using the 4090 but you are right.
I wonder what causes it because others say they have no issues. I did a whole different build with brand new parts and a different cpu and still experienced the same thing.
@@TerraWare Worth mentioning i was using a 6900 xt back then. Meanwhile upgraded to a 7900 XTX and never had the issue there but if i encounter some random stuttering one day i know what to try.
Haven''t commented on your videos lately, busy live, haha. 😀Thanks for taking the time to do this. I see your channel is growing. Well deserved. Now about the video - that is actually very impressive performance boost that I did not expect. Around 10% in most games and I expected less than 5. Can you do the same video for the 6800XT to see what kind of performance we can squeeze out of that old fella, hehe?
Good to see you and yeah I'll probably take a look at the 6800XT at some point.
Honestly, it's kinda sad that overclocking has been less and less effective, due to frequency boost technologies. I missed the old days with Kepler/Maxwell
Yup. You used to be able to overclock CPU's and GPU's to a whole other upper tier of products and these days the manufacturers have refined their boost algorithms and binning processes CPU's and GPU's run at close to peak out of the box. Which is not all bad. Bad for use who like to tweak things and good for people who dont that can get their money's worth from their purchase.
I mean, instead of the rated frequency of 2560 mhz you get dynamic boost to 2700~... Back then the cards simply capped in their max frequency, or stayed at base frequency when the load was low. Dynamic saves power on lighter loads and automatically pushes clocks on higher loads... OC is less effective because things are already well tuned. :)
Resizable BAR increases traffic on PCIE... Its a industry standard. Depends on the game if itd actually used (request different memory pool allocation). Games traditionally only had 256MB so they maybe opted not to.
If its stutter, could be platform defect (eg: marginal gen4) due to vertical mount riser. 9:25
Right I know how it works and what it does. I also do use a PCIE riser but it is 4.0 and I've tested it and know it runs at 4.0 X16. No lane switching or anything messing with the PCIe lanes. My bulk of the issues with it are related to recording gameplay footage using Adrenalin anyway. Something I dont experience on my Ryzen 5900X AM4 rig.
I've tried to get to the bottom of this, tried disabling the iGPU on the cpu through bios tried it all lol. I dont have any other RX 7000 GPU's to try, I have a Ryzen 7700X and tried it with that, tried on a B650 board, brand new build, no vertical riser, different kit of ram, same thing.
Great video, 10%average was always the increase I got on all my cards when Overclocking which imo is great. As for the driver, I've no issues with SAM yet but my OC profile reverts back to default every time I shut down (and to those wondering all my OC profiles are stable, always do really extensive testing and this also happens with my ''soft'' OC profile which is not nearly as aggressive, in fact it's an undervolt with + 100 mhz to frequency clock and fast mem timings with +112 mhz which is fairly less than what my card can handle).
Hope they patch it up soon, granted my issue is small since I just reload the profile and have zero issues while my pc is running+playing games but others get stutters etc which is big. Great work man!
I havent had any issues with SAM on my 6800XT or my 7900XTX when paired with my AM4 (Ryzen 5900X/3700X/2600)
It's only with the 7900XTX and AM5 (Ryzen 7800X 3D/Ryzen 7700X)
Your OC profile resetting does happen with some driver version but can also be influenced by the model of you GPU sometimes. I got a message from someone with a 6800XT in another vide recently saying their custom fan profile kept resetting everytime they restart their PC on the 24.1.1 driver.
@@TerraWare Yup makes perfect sense that his fan is resetting since it counts as a custom profile so the driver probably just resets the whole thing OC or not.
I'm using the Asus Tuf version in my case and yea I've only ever had this issue with this driver or in the past when I had a power outage which makes sense, AMD software tracks that and reverts to default for protection which is good.
@@constantinesoldatos I used to have a Sapphire Nitro+ 5700XT and that thing would always reset my custom profile.
@@TerraWare Damn and that's easily one of the top models one can get, I'd expect these kind of issues from an ASRock model or powerwolf. Anyways really hope they take care of the SAM issue regarding am5 platforms since that's a decent chunk of performance left on the table, like another 10% more or less if I'm not mistaken..
Correction, Hellhound not powerwolf, I'm confusing metal bands with gaming again LOL
Actually some pretty decent gains in Avatar and RE4....
Ive not had any problems with SAM yet but i did find a stuttering issue in Fortnite and a surprising amount of people told me to disable SAM, it turned out to be the Nanite setting instead.
Nitro+ was built to be overclocked lol. It's the only vapor chamber cooling designed 7900XTX I think. The TUF 7900XTX may be as well am not sure. My TUF 4090 is.
@@TerraWare I Love sapphire, I bought mine from Overclockers and got the Last of us Part 1 with it. 👍
I've had it freeze like that too and I believe it has been happening the past couple of drivers.
Always worth Overclocking if stable, it's free performance. First thing I did when got my 7900XTX Nitro+. The only pain was making sure it was stable in all my games, lots of testing before I found the best most stable overclock. Now it's been super stable ever since
Nice. What's your profile like. Will be interesting to compare notes haha
@@TerraWare th-cam.com/video/Mbz3RF_PDqo/w-d-xo.html I did this video a while back. I watched a video from Ancient Gameplays & learned a lot from him. Anything lower than 1130 and I'd get crashes in certain games and not many others. Super Stable now however and i'm getting an extra 10-15 fps in most games
@@TerraWare Oh and the fast timings were not working well for my card, noticed some stutters and weird stuff in some games. The thing is no GPU is the same
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@@RJTHEGAME I got it cool. Good stuff. I lucked out on the silicon quality on mine. It can undervolt quite well
At 3:30 its quite obvious the graphics settings are not the same, not to be an ass.
I was crouched on the left side and closer to the grass unknowingly. I even went back to look at the raw unedited footage because I show my settings before each recording. It was the same settings.
Never changed them, didn't have to reinstall drivers or anything. Sometimes that will reset settings in game.
I have been testing games with sam enabled and disabled, when enabled I get bad performance, big stutters, no more crashes like before (maybe due to the new RAM fixes with the bios update) maybe doing all this fixes crashes and blue screens, but the games still feel bad until I uninstall the wallpaper engine, now everything is fine, I don't know how the wallpaper engine mess performance so much, I won't use it again.
Wallpaper engine probably occupies some resources but the SAM thing is weird. I have even experienced some stutter even with SAM disabled (it's rare) and than I enable it and things run fine until I restart computer than have to disable SAM again.
Its so strange because none of this shit happens when I use my 7900XTX with my Ryzen 5900X PC. For me it's like AM5 and the 7900XTX don't get along very will at times and it should be the opposite.
@terranigma4027 Hi again, It seems that wallpaper engine wasn't the problem, when I uninstalled wallpaper engine and restarted the PC I got bad performance again, so i try disabling something called hdcp on screen settings and now everything is 100% fixed. no stutters, no tearing, low input lag, smooth, I'm really happy.
@@astorgaz9487 OK cool. Good to know and glad you figure it out.
It's also the same story with the 7900XT, overclocked to 2900/2600-3000/2600 gets about the same performance of a stock XTX on most games, maybe in best/worst case scenarios a 1-4fps difference, but the gain is quite substantial, especially if you get a better binned one and are able to pull those clocks while drawing less than 400W, and costing 300usd less
great profile but your leaving a lot of performance on the table not setting up a fan curve to handle that profile.
I have been on 1440p monitors since 2013, i really want to move up to 4K. But that power draw is insane 400+ Watts :/
Pushing it to the limits.
4K isn't worth it men. You need such a good GPU and 1440p is a nice sweet spot. I will upgrade to 4K only in a few years when 60-90 fps is normal for this resolution.
@@stabilozz 1440P's the sweet spot
@@TerraWare @stabilozz 1440p is the sweet spot now but only up to 32" displays. Beyond that is where 4K shines for gaming, especially in racing/flight sims and strategy, RPG games. Shooters and such games are better on 24-27" displays, but i rarely ever play FPS games this days.
Did the stuttering issues start after the chipset update ?
SAM seems fine on mine but maybe AMD need to fix it for the 7800x3d
No its been something I've dealt with since I've had the 7900XTX. It mostly happens when I am recording footage using Adrenalin Software for me but sometimes it happens on gameplay too.
I have a spare Ryzen 7700X I have tried too with a different new motherboard same thing. Works fine on my AM4 CPU's though
@@TerraWare Oh right I see. It defo must be these driver updates then because i've noticed a fair few things since I got the GPU with Adrenalin software after an update. Had freeze ups but been a lot better the past 4 months
I can only get 1130mv stable and no less,frequency 500-2925 same model too ,462W. You just got the lottery with your card :)
O rly? I've gone as low as 1060mv but had a crash once so I keep it 1070mv as a minimum. The way I understand it is undervolting doesn't necessarily make the card consume less power as much as it allows the clocks to boost higher which is probably why the power consumption remains the same.
@@TerraWare You are correct for the most part. My gpu is pegged at 462w ,even 1120v will make it unstable. Generally it will max the clocks before reaching power or thermal limit 110c junction. I have seen in some games with heavy RT that it gets lower clocks without reaching any of those limits and not cpu bottlenecked either,but uncommon. Whats ur hotspot temps?
@@vyathaen Right I've noticed the clocks drop below 2.8ghz in some titles. Especially with 24.1.1 where clocks seem to be 50 to 100mhz less than previously, I made a video about it recently.
My Hotspot's around 15 to 20C delta. I don't actively monitor it but I don't recall ever seeing it above 95. Often times when I run these benchmarks my case is open so that helps I'm sure.
So looking at Avatar i'm getting about 60fps at Ultra Quality FSR 3 on my 7900XTX. Defo playable and goes up in less intensive moments. I get some drops to 50s but doesnt go below 50fps then I turn on Frame gen for it and it feels good. I could easily however just play it without Frame gen because it doesn't have any drops for it to show, feels really smooth
FSR Quality mode i'll obviously get more 75fps - 80fps plus
I'd really recommend trying out the FSR 3 Mod however because it blows my mind the image quality and performance gains
Is it worth oc'ing a reference model?
Yeah sure why not. You're somewhat limited by the 2 8pin connectors but should be able to fet some extra performance if you wanted to.
@@TerraWare I'm also going pair with the 7800x3d. Hopefully the SAM issues get sorted out. Thanks for videos like this!
@@jeffreyrodriguez9009 Well not everyone seems to experience issues with SAM and as far as myself it happens when I record gameplay footage. Just gaming it's fine.
the avatar test is wrong for sure, check how different the shadowing of the grass is
thx for the testing tho
It's just the sun angle is slightly different and I think I may have been crouched because starting the recording is CTRL+SHIFT+E but its the same exact settings.
Didnt even relaunch the game, just loaded the OC profile fast traveled to the same spot and ran.
But you know what, it is unusually different in performance. I am willing to check it out again at some point.
Swapped me amdip 7900xtx with a 4080 and I am so happy
More fps in enshrouded do not matter because it has a hard locked camera and animation to 60 fps. No matter what you do. I hope the devs will fix that
Overclocking the GPU is next to pointless. It reroutes voltage from the memory to maintain stability if it gets scared (because AMD is overly conservative) and the VRAM ECC kicks in to compensate. You might get a whopping 5% more FPS from the GPU, but then -30% because the RAM is busy fixing errors every cycle leading to a net drop in performance. It's best to not even touch the GPU, but instead find your highest stable VRAM overclock with fast timings using memtest with Vulcan, max your power slider and call it a day.
Overclocking is dead.
You do get a bump in average and 1% lows though, could be 5 all the way to 15% in some cases. Now is that worth it at the expense of higher power consumption. For me probably not.
I've tried overclocking the 4090 too and for that one its not really worth it. Very little gains. I'd rather lower the power limit.
Ah the infamous AMDip
Juffes sub? Lol
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On air: PL +15%, Undervolt.
On Alan Wake 2 you'll be able to max everything on ray tracing with the FSR 3 Mod. Same with Cyberpunk and get FSR 3 Quality th-cam.com/video/03X-3JMZJmo/w-d-xo.html