Watching the CPU struggle and buckle when running NPC AI routines, it makes you wonder how devs even managed to ship games before the current console generation! It didn't take long for devs to forget how to optimise for the PS4, when moving on to the PS5!
Yes I wonder about that too. Thought a lot about this when playing Dragons Dogma 2 and how it compared to DD1 NPC AI and that game ran on an Xbox 360, it maintains 60 FPS on my Steam Deck but DD2 barely can in Vernworth on a 7800X 3D?
@@TerraWare I would understand if the devs were doing something exotic with AI or physics, but they are just using the CPU for the same things they've already been doing for fifteen years - only now the performance sucks!
Nice. I almost bought one a couple of weeks ago for the channel. Truth be told though the 3700X did a bit better than I thought. Sure it can't hold a locked 60 in every game with maxed out settings but it's still fairly capable.
I went with the Zen 2 in this video for a few reasons. 1. These were affordable and popular CPU's that a lot of people still probably use. 2. I can use these results on a future video to compare against other CPU's like a 7800X3D or 9800X3D. 3. I genuinely found it interesting.
Yeah I see comments like this which is why I wanted to explore this a bit more. People upgrade their GPU and with DLSS and FSR being so popular it's easy to run into CPU bottlenecks with newer games, or to not see as big of a jump in FPS as you may have expected to.
What makes me sad about most of these games - CPU usage barely crosses 50% value and only briefly goes to 60-70%. This means that they can not take advantage of CPUs with more than 6 cores/12 threads. Game devs could at least improve multithreading performance.
Yeah as you mentioned its interesting that these older game engines such as UE4 and frostbite cope with new raytracing effects extremely badly, burdening CPU performance to the extreme. I mean RT reflections alone in DA Veilguard basically nukes cpu performance by 50%, which is insane, i dont remember any other game which deals with RT reflections so badly. The only way to improve gaming performance on 3700x is to tune the ram, i reckon with ram running at 3800mt/s at cl16 and with tuned secondary and tertiary timings you should claw back about 20-25% of performance in cpu limited areas on average, which should bring very close to that 60fps in many of these tittles. Still, its a bit annoying that even most recent UE5 games does not utilize cpu multithreading well. Another interesting tidbit that basically all UE5 games performs better without SMT, or HT in intel's case, despite this tech being super old games and game engines still has issues with it, so disabling that might improve the gaming performance by a bit.
Good video. When I use the Krypyex cpu & gpu miner (It's like NiceHash) I can still play Far Cry 5 at 120fps while it's mining on my 5800x3d & 4090, no frame drops, smooth as butter (the miner mines less). If I try mining on my Ryzen 3600 & 3080 10gb and play Far Cry 5 at the same time, it's a slide show that will freeze then unfreeze, completely unplayable. I think that is the difference between the 5800x3d and 3600 cpus. If I had a 3600 as the cpu in my main pc, I would upgrade to a 5600(X) or 5700X or a 5700x3d if you have the budget. There are some great Black Friday sales right now.
That comes down to preference. I prefer PC personally but I don't think it's the best time to build a PC now with new graphics cards looming over the horizon. I wouldn't recommend building a gaming PC with the CPU I'm using in this video though. There's really no reason to since you could go with a 5700X 3D for a good price or Intel 13th or 14th gen can be had for pretty good prices.
@@dikkie1120 PC will have a bit of a higher cost of entry but I think it's well worth it. Not only do you have a much bigger library of games, better prices, free online, cloud saves and more but you can play the games the way you want. Thats not even mentioning the many other things you could do like create YT channel like this or stream etc.
Because today's developers are lazy pigs and leave everything to DLSS and FSR and then we don't get the performance we should get. Most new games run on RTX 4080 just like games in 2020 on RTX 2080 / 3070, but they look the same or worse graphically.
Yeah should be fine although you could run into some limitations using DLSS/FSR depending on the game. As long as you're happy with how it works for you it's what's important.
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Appreciate the Zen2 content with modern games. I had this CPU, and eventually upgraded to a 5700X
I made a similar upgrade to a 5900X.
@@Tech2C abd the 5800x3d is s
Fast enough for the coming 2 years do you think because games like Monster Hunter Wilds destroy a cpu
@@dikkie1120 Certainly! Great chip.
Watching the CPU struggle and buckle when running NPC AI routines, it makes you wonder how devs even managed to ship games before the current console generation!
It didn't take long for devs to forget how to optimise for the PS4, when moving on to the PS5!
Yes I wonder about that too. Thought a lot about this when playing Dragons Dogma 2 and how it compared to DD1 NPC AI and that game ran on an Xbox 360, it maintains 60 FPS on my Steam Deck but DD2 barely can in Vernworth on a 7800X 3D?
@@TerraWare I would understand if the devs were doing something exotic with AI or physics, but they are just using the CPU for the same things they've already been doing for fifteen years - only now the performance sucks!
3700x is my current CPU, it has been a warrior, waiting for 5700x3D delivery though :)
Nice. I almost bought one a couple of weeks ago for the channel. Truth be told though the 3700X did a bit better than I thought. Sure it can't hold a locked 60 in every game with maxed out settings but it's still fairly capable.
I went with the Zen 2 in this video for a few reasons.
1. These were affordable and popular CPU's that a lot of people still probably use.
2. I can use these results on a future video to compare against other CPU's like a 7800X3D or 9800X3D.
3. I genuinely found it interesting.
@@TerraWare 4. And most importantly it's directly comparable to all consoles.
@@JackJohnson-br4qr Yes that too. It was definitely a factor.
Thanks, this is an amazing point of view
I upgraded from 10th gen less than 2 years ago to 12th gen 12400f thinking that i don't need to upgrade for 5 years at least, and boy was i wrong..
Yeah I see comments like this which is why I wanted to explore this a bit more. People upgrade their GPU and with DLSS and FSR being so popular it's easy to run into CPU bottlenecks with newer games, or to not see as big of a jump in FPS as you may have expected to.
Great vid!
I was investigating this myself, RT does lower performance of a CPU in Spider-man Remastered also
What makes me sad about most of these games - CPU usage barely crosses 50% value and only briefly goes to 60-70%. This means that they can not take advantage of CPUs with more than 6 cores/12 threads.
Game devs could at least improve multithreading performance.
I would love to see better use of multi core/thread CPU's.
Yeah as you mentioned its interesting that these older game engines such as UE4 and frostbite cope with new raytracing effects extremely badly, burdening CPU performance to the extreme. I mean RT reflections alone in DA Veilguard basically nukes cpu performance by 50%, which is insane, i dont remember any other game which deals with RT reflections so badly.
The only way to improve gaming performance on 3700x is to tune the ram, i reckon with ram running at 3800mt/s at cl16 and with tuned secondary and tertiary timings you should claw back about 20-25% of performance in cpu limited areas on average, which should bring very close to that 60fps in many of these tittles.
Still, its a bit annoying that even most recent UE5 games does not utilize cpu multithreading well.
Another interesting tidbit that basically all UE5 games performs better without SMT, or HT in intel's case, despite this tech being super old games and game engines still has issues with it, so disabling that might improve the gaming performance by a bit.
Good video. When I use the Krypyex cpu & gpu miner (It's like NiceHash) I can still play Far Cry 5 at 120fps while it's mining on my 5800x3d & 4090, no frame drops, smooth as butter (the miner mines less). If I try mining on my Ryzen 3600 & 3080 10gb and play Far Cry 5 at the same time, it's a slide show that will freeze then unfreeze, completely unplayable. I think that is the difference between the 5800x3d and 3600 cpus. If I had a 3600 as the cpu in my main pc, I would upgrade to a 5600(X) or 5700X or a 5700x3d if you have the budget. There are some great Black Friday sales right now.
Agreed. 5700X 3D is a really good deal and best upgrade path if you're already on AM4 and don't want to spend a lot of money changing platform.
DAV is such a beautiful game. The latest patch has made it a bit weird, though.
Oh yah? What's changed? Is this console or PC? I haven't played it much lately being busy with other games.
@@TerraWare There is a higher graphics option than Ultra now
Watching 5700x3d/5800x3d cant get 60fps stable in dragon dogma 2 is very sad
So would you advice play on console or pc after these tests and what kinda syarem specc atleast?
That comes down to preference. I prefer PC personally but I don't think it's the best time to build a PC now with new graphics cards looming over the horizon. I wouldn't recommend building a gaming PC with the CPU I'm using in this video though. There's really no reason to since you could go with a 5700X 3D for a good price or Intel 13th or 14th gen can be had for pretty good prices.
@TerraWare ok thnx
@@dikkie1120 PC will have a bit of a higher cost of entry but I think it's well worth it. Not only do you have a much bigger library of games, better prices, free online, cloud saves and more but you can play the games the way you want.
Thats not even mentioning the many other things you could do like create YT channel like this or stream etc.
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Because today's developers are lazy pigs and leave everything to DLSS and FSR and then we don't get the performance we should get.
Most new games run on RTX 4080 just like games in 2020 on RTX 2080 / 3070, but they look the same or worse graphically.
Some games do launch in a poor state state unfortunately.
Terra is a i7 12700f still good ??
Im 4k gaming
Yeah should be fine although you could run into some limitations using DLSS/FSR depending on the game. As long as you're happy with how it works for you it's what's important.