Mizuno JPX921 JPX919 JPX900 Forged Forgiveness Comparison
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- Mizuno JPX921 JPX919 JPX900 Forgiveness/Compare Testing is the aim of this video. I have created the first possible way to indicate the Forgiveness of an iron and potentially the improvement in design as the models are refined.
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900 Forged forever! Best sole in the series. Leading edge and trailing edge relief - perfect.
I liked the graphic at the end. Definite improvement in forgiveness over time. Thanks so much.
Great, work here! I really enjoy your reviews. I’m building a combo set of the HMP & Forged irons, this really helped make up mind. Much appreciated!
Excellent! Have been eagerly awaiting this. Great vid Jay
Looking forward to the day when you will be able to custom fit me 👍👍
I’ve been playing the 900 Forged for 3 years now, and its been a good club. I tend to add loft, so the lower ball flight didn’t bother me, most of the time. Last week I went for a fitting, and ended up going with the 921 HM Pro. More consistent distance and spin, better height, and even with it not being forged, to me, it feels much better. I am excited to get them in the bag for 2021.
Great comparison
I’ve ordered my custom fitted JPX 921 Forged can’t wait until they arrive
Love the face efficiency comparison graphic at the end of the video. Would love to see this on all of your videos, e.g. comparing efficiency of the iron you're testing against the average of irons in that category (players, GI, etc) or against standout models from that category. Great video!
Think you are on something big here ! Knowing how forgiving a club is will help a lot of people make a informative purchase instead of the famous guessing game ! Would really love to see how some of the Mizuno stacks us against the Wilson Staff model ( my personal clubs ) Maybe even the Wilson V6 vs the Mizuno compact model they have . Keep up the great work !!
Good series of videos on all the jpx irons.
That last graphic which shows performance retention by region of the club face is outstanding!!! Please include that information in your future vids.
You’ve done it again. Congratulations on featuring on the Mizuno.com website. Nice to see you getting recognition the the detail and depth of your reviews. Simply the best.
Btw I the MP20 blades in 7I today. The least offset of any club that I’ve ever hit. I was surprised how well they went and further than my current JPX850 forged.
Will have the MMC and HMB next for the 6-5 and 2-4 irons.
I’m curious how the the 850 forged stand up to the 921 forged?
Thanks for all the work
Great work as always Jay. I play the JPX900 forged and must say my 6 iron for 27 degrees of loft does visually come out low compared to other clubs I've hit.
Love the percentage graph
I am playing the 921 Hot Metal. What a great set of iron and very long even on miss hits. Thanks for the video. Great job
Do you mind me asking your handicap? Have 919 forged im a 15 handicapper and not playing as much so am looking to 921hot metal pro/hot metal combo....
Great video! I’ve ordered my Forged irons, but it’s up to 5 weeks for production😩. I was surprised just at how well they performed compared to some other brands “distance irons”. More height, better decent/spin and slightly better distance (3 yards).
Wow! This video explains why my 900’s go so low! I hit the MP-20 higher and I couldn’t figure out why. Great video!
Happy to help Neville, fingers crossed you subscribed and clicked the bell for next time 🤞😂
This is a great way to display forgiveness. Would definetly like to see more like this. Any chance of doing the JPX Tour?
Interesting review especially as I was thinking of upgrading my 900’s whilst they are in good condition
Is it 900 F and Do you still have it?
Great review Jay, I initially watched this when it first was released but know that I have Titleist T-200’s this video has sparked my interest again
I had the JPX 900 forged in 2017. Ironically the grooves on the 8 iron collapsed just 1 month after the 1 year warranty expired. I bought a replacement iron and sold the set on eBay.
I’m a Mizuno fan, in 2010 I was custom fit for MP 58’s and kept those for nearly 8 years. Love the feel but forgiveness was lacking.
Last spring I was custom fit for Titleist T-200’s which have a forged face with a cast body. I’m not happy with the off-center hits because from what I found out they’re hollow body without polymer filled in which results in a loud clacking noise. These things are super forgiving which is why I’m keeping them for now but the off-center hits sound ridiculous and feel like crap.
At one point I’m going to compare them to the JPX 921 forged which I’m sure I’ll fall in love with Since there a solid forging. not sure if they’re as forgiving as the titanium filled T 200? Have you ever compared them in terms of feel sound and forgiveness?
I'm very curious to hit the 921 forged. I've been a Mp 30 player for years and am losing my ball striking capability with age. Need a more forgiving club for sure.... Great content Jay as always
Can you do a video comparison between the JPX 921 Forged & MP20 MMC please???
Awesome 👏. Love that format with face %'s easy to follow ! I’ve had the 900 Forged for 1 season in 2017 and didn’t get used to the Boron infused feel. Felt too hard. And the finish wore off and they looked stained. How would you compare the JPX 921 Forged to the Ping i210’s in terms of feel and forgiveness? Obviously the 921’s being 2 deg stronger in the 7 iron will hit it longer than the i210’s.. so not a direct comparison since the 921’s are a players distance iron and the i210’s are more of a “players” iron.
I played JPX900 forged for years and was never really happy because they flew lower than I wanted (and much lower than my previous JPX825 Pros) and only felt good on really centred shots. I am now playing MP225s and am so much happier and scoring much better. I wish I had seen your original review and realised that it wasn't me that was making it fly low, it was the club - I would have changed long ago!
I'm glad you didn't see my original video as it was terrible quality. Back in the early early days where I was recording on my phone 🤦
This is the kind of comparison we all like, very well done! Would you do the same with the 919 forged vs the 923 forged vs the 223's? I know lofts are different but it would be interesting to see how they compare forgiveness and spin wise. I also know 921 forged and 225 should be in the mix too, but as a leftie they're not an option for me. Also if you could slow down your to swing to around 82mph with a 7iron it would be even better! Thanks!
interesting idea. would be nice to see sample size for each and perhaps some other parameters like, carry and ball speed and efficiency plotted in addition to total distance %. Seem like a very good way to objectively test 'forgiveness'.
Appreciate the feedback 👍 Only problem with making it more detailed is that effectively it would make it even harder for the average person to grasp what is being explained and how that applies to them. The best way to narrow it down to the easiest way to understand would be to measure effective distance drop off from miss-strikes. Of course you could go even further in measuring offline dispersion caused by off centre strikes and conversely in clubs with roll and bulge the actual gearing performance. But I think you'd agree that for the most part it would send everyone to sleep and only person's of a very specific nature would find it useful.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Very nice graphic. Maybe useful to then show delta of percents between a>b, b>c, a>c with radial gradients readjusted to scale to max delta
Wowsers I'm not sure even I'd understand that let alone the normal golfing public 😊
Happy on a serious note though for you to explain in dumb language what it would look like... Happy to receive drawn pictures on the back of a piece of paper 👍
@@AskGolfNut Sorry for the geek-speak. Just suggesting you take the infographic you made a few steps further to improve the ability to see where and how much improvements were made between generations. The graphics you presented are useful and interesting, but I think we’d also benefit from a visualization of the comparative change between generations. Compare (a) 921 to (b) 919, (b) 919 to (c) 900, and (a) 921 to (c) 900 point-by-point to compute the percent changes for each. Either as a true % change or as a simple Xn-Yn (E.g. 921 sector 1 - 919 sector 1). Between a-b, b-c, a-c, determine the maximum difference so that you can scale the color gradient across all three images based on this maximum value. Presumably the difference between A-C is the most so the color strength should be brightest there and likely more subdued on A-B and B-C graphics. Outcome is instead of looking at 921-point1, 919-point1, 900-point1 for the numbers and doing the mental math, we’d see a graphic depicting that 921-point1 improved by 2 over 919-point1, etc. Basically doing the mental math for us between each club sector-by-sector.
Hope that helps. If not, let me know and I’ll mock it up and post a link.
Thanks for great review. Definitely going to upgrade my JPX 900. Keep up the good work👌
Did you sell your 900 F?
Interesting review as always. I actually have the 900 forged and despite looking quite hard , can't find a better iron (for me). They go 10+ yards further per iron than anything else I've found and the flights are just perfect. Lovely towering Pw and 9i and easy to get the 4-5-6 into the air.
I must be doing something 'wrong' to get this result and would love to find another set that reproduces this performance (especially now I've lost the 8 iron!), but it is proving very difficult.
As with everything in life, if it's not broke don't fix it 😊 although I'm guessing ebay etc may be the only avenue for you to recover the missing 8 iron in the bag... 😢
Great concept to demonstrate forgiveness. Currently playing the 850 Forged. How do they compare to the 900 Forged?
forgiveness efficiency graphic is a phenomenal idea. liked video too !
Thanks David, more to come in 2022. Currently working hard on a project that will transform the channel going forward 👍
@@AskGolfNut I've subscribed, and booked a fitting for 921 forged this weekend coming.
Hi David, bear in mind that the 921's are going to be renewed in the next few months. Not sure on the name yet let's assume 923. They'll be some minor improvements over 921 for sure, however there will also be a price increase that goes with it. My advice at present would be that as long as you are aware of this and don't mind having end of line product that will be let's say without knowing £15 per club cheaper than the new model, then go for it. The 921 series are a brilliant set of clubs 👍
@@AskGolfNut I know, I've thought about that, but rumours on the web are that it won't be until October, and if I don't buy now then I'll probably waste my money on a family holiday or something like ;-)
Who cares about family holidays 😂😂 great that you are making a, positive choice for your golf, let me know how you get on 👍
Can you compare the Forged 921 and the MP-20 HMBs? I'm wondering the differences between the two and why would anyone pick JPX over MP-20s on looks alone? Thank you bin advance!
Love the new efficiency graphic! Do you have one for the MP20 HMBs? Thanks!
I like the video! I've played the 850 forged for 5 years. Since you didn't like the 900 I'm assuming the 850 is similar. I like the forged feel. Do you think the 921 forged would be similar in feel and better results?
I've was playing the 900 forged for 2 years and thought they were awesome. I've been playing 919 hot metal pros for 3 months and the forgiveness is undeniably better but I miss the forged feel.
You have convinced me that the 921 forged are definitely getting tested!
Thanks for posting this. I’ve wondered if moving from the Hot Metal Pro to the Forged model would be a big loss of forgiveness. I love the HMP 919, maybe I should just enjoy them.
I’m curious how much of a jump it is from the Hot Metal Pro to the Forged.
Are the older MX23, MX25 a good choice for forgiveness? I've always wanted a set of Mizuno irons, but can't afford the JPX series. I've seen a few sets of pre-owned MX23 and MX25 irons that are at a price point I could handle.
Huh? So you put two 7 irons up against a JPX900 6 and then go on about it going lower? Makes sense.
It's fairly easy to make the loft adjustment with understanding relative distance gapping etc. Is it ideal? No for sure but still there is a, common sense capture of how it performs relative to the others.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Looking at the lofts, the 900 is essentially a 6 iron, whilst the 919 is a 7 iron. From a higher h/c perspective, who may struggle to hit a 5 or even 6 iron with reasonable height, it seems unfair to compare the two. It does look like it would be worth upgrading from 900 to 921 - although probably mucking up the gapping with existing wedges.
Please Can you compare 921 against I210 👍🏴
Have you noticed that the 921 Forged only has the 4120 HD Forged Chromoly in the 3-7 irons and from 8 iron on down it goes back to the 1025E Grain Flow Forged HD.
Curious what the difference is? Can you really feel or tell the difference?
No not necessarily, the only thing I can see so far is that on a couple of gapping sessions there is a slightly larger gapping between the 8 and 7.... Well worth thinking to maybe add a degree of loft to the 7 iron to retain gapping distances....
Very interesting video Jay, I loved the analysis on forgiveness. One small gripe - you were very repetitive on your assessment of the 900..... I am about to test replacements for my 850 forged and the 921 forged is the hot favourite
That's because I didn't like it much 😊 you know what people say, when you are happy with something you tell 1 person, when you're not, you tell 10 😊
It was in fairness a criticism that many reviewers had of that 900 model. Thankfully redesigned in the 919 👍
this is like a paul scheer review!
Is that good or bad?
But.... the 900 is a 6 iron; can't fault it as it was behaving like a 6i - in every way.
😭😭😭😭I play the 900 and I’ve always been a player who had a low ball flight, looks like I need a new set of Mizuno irons
So were the 921 and 919 7irons and the 900 a 6 iron?
Exactly right 👍
@@AskGolfNut why though? that kind of kills the comparison when the 900 forged 7 iron would have been a better comparison
Because trying to get hold of a 7i considering how old it is was darn near impossible. Could have hoped to have got a standard one off ebay, but then unless you got it in the exact shaft the others were then people would then discount it due to that.
Any comparison can be loft adjusted with a little bit of logic and common sense. If not every test would have to be done with all irons being exactly the same loft and since not all are forged and thus not able to be bent, essentially nullifies any test.
Obviously for the vast majority of people they want to see how irons compare even with inescapable differences.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍 Keep with challenging questions as it promotes discussion and therefore learning 👍👍👍
They all come out low....
Come out low?.....