The mindset of “who wants to make the game harder than it already is” is absolutely why so many people do not get better. They want tech, clubs, balls, fill in the blank make up for lack of skill. You play something like a 221 or jpx tour for consistency. If you can’t hit them SWING BETTER. A forgiving club is a crutch for a bad golf swing. Modern blades and cavity backs are plenty forgiving. I’d much rather play something consistent than something that may go 10 yards further than normal with a good swing.
Interesting! The first time I tested clubs after 20 years away from golf I could immediately feel the difference with Mizuno irons and I had no idea what their tag line was. I was fitted into the Forged and went to the 221 the following season. Love the feel. I couldn't disagree more that golf is just a number in a box. I love both the look and feel of their irons and that gives me pleasure every time I swing them. And I play well with them as well even though they're supposed to be for a better golfer than I.
I love my 923 Forged irons. I’m around a 12 handicap but I have no trouble at all with these irons. What impressed me most about them is how well the ball launches on thinly struck shots. Very little carry drop off as well. They are aesthetically the nicest irons I’ve ever gamed. There’s definitely a slight difference in sound and feel between the chromoly slotted 4-7 irons and the 1025E short irons, but perfectly struck shots definitely give me that Mizuno feel. I doubt I’ll be swapping these out anytime soon.
I switch clubs constantly I go from anything anything from a players distance iron into a blade!!currently playing mizuno 221s in my opinion there's not a huge difference in forgiveness in most club categories a poor golf swing is going to result in a very similar result no matter what golf club you hit it with!!with that being said play what looks and feels the best to you
I went into my fitting thinking I’d need the help of the forged but walked away with the Tour model. Wow what a difference and the forgiveness scores were actually much better with the Tour model! The most amazing club I’ve ever hit and best since my MP-60 years ago
I’m a mid handicapper and actually fit into the tour. They aren’t that hard to hit. The only issue I had was distance but I would club up. The lofts are weaker than use to. But they SHOCKED me and I’m a 14 handicap. They were very easy to hit!
I just got fit for the 923 forged. I honestly never thought I woulda liked Mizuno but I tried the T-100, 150,200’s, Taylormade P770, 790, Ping 230, Callaway and other Mizuno clubs. I never thought I’d prefer the feel and consistency of Mizuno. I believe every golfer is different and has a certain feel they prefer
I agree with Lewis. Just bought new irons. Was very excited by all the hype to try Mizuno. I tried multiple models and couldn't tell the difference between them and everything else. If I was striking the ball really well then every club hit the sweet spot and felt fantastic. If I was hitting the ball thin, or on the toe or heel then everything jangled up the handle. After multiple rounds of testing (to make sure I didn't have a fluke day) I ended up buying something else because the dispersion circles were better for me.
The Tour is the first JPX to have the Copper Underlay. I think the JPX have got firmer since the 800/825 series. Love the honesty that Lewis provides. Keep up the good work
I played Mizuno MX23 for 10 years. When it was time to change I thought I’d end up with Mizuno again, however I ended up with Srixon z745 at the fitting. I much preferred the feel of those.
I really liked the honesty in the back and forth discussions between the two of you. It brought out some important details that the data aspects just can’t.
I love when Lewis part of Andy’s videos due to unabashed honesty. Too many YT channels focused on equipment are concerned with alienating the OEMs and as a result, everything is great. As good a player as Lewis is, he’s not afraid to say “Do I have to hit them?” He has more talent and feel than I’ll ever have (I’m an average golfer), but he wants to make the game easier too!
Your comment is spot on! I carry the JPX900s (bought a few years ago) for one reason.. feel. But those are not as soft feeling of my other Mizunos (MX-20s). I might switch this year to Ping i230s. Not sure if the feel will be as good? I agree when other youtubers will not say anything bad when they are getting paid by them (ie goodgood or Grant and Micah).
I play the 923 Tours and tested them side by side with the forged when I was fit and just hit them better, and could shape shots better. I came from playing blades and like that the heads are no visually different than blades, with a tiny bit of forgiveness. I just feel more confident looking down at a thin topline. I actually cant hit game improvement irons worth a crap because the size just gets in my head. It's just funny that everyone gets scared looking down at a blade and I feel completely the opposite. If you want to really get a thrill, grab the Cobra MB 4 iron, its about half an inch shorter than the mizuno :)
Love the way Lewis just says what he thinks and is not stereotyped like most who just follow the flock you've put some cracking videos out lately Andy keep them coming 👍
I started golfing in the early 70’s with a set of 1960’s vintage Spaulding blades 2 - PW. The driver and 3 wood were real woods. Looking back now, I realize just how atrociously difficult those clubs were to play. I do have to say, there is no better feeling than to hit a forged iron, and Mizuno in my opinion is tops in that category.
Played Mizuno for a lot of years but the forging process of other OEMs have caught up to them. I think Srixon is making severely underrated irons right now.
You r spot on with your opinion on these Andy I pulled the trigger on the 225s but they were too clicky off the face for me ordered the JPX tour and they are so much better feel wise...👍🏻
I have gamed irons from every major brand except Callaway. Got the Mizuno Pro 223's a couple months back and the Mizuno feel is just different. I was fitted for and hit everything imaginable, including forged offerings of all that had them. My previous irons were the first gen Titleist T200's. Whether one iron is better for you than another is debatable, especially if you're shopping in the same category of club. So all things being equal, I pick the iron that makes me want to practice more and helps me enjoy the game more. I'm absolutely loving the 223's even if my scoring and ball striking isn't appreciably better after a couple months than it was with the T200's.
Thanks for the video. I have tried the 923 Tour against the Titleist T100 multiple times and with many different shafts to try and get it right. Ultimately, I love the look of the T100 better however, the 923 Tour was softer by a good amount. When using the same shaft (Modus 120 S) I had results that were so close you wouldn't be able to tell one apart from the other. I am still to make a decision on what to go with, but can vouch for anyone looking at the 923 Tours that they are very soft on the feel and more forgiving than you'd think.
@@Economical_Overeem to be quite honest, they were very similar, I don't think either was more forgiving than the other. On the Titleist you'll feel the off-center hits more. Mizunos have a super soft feel where you question whether you even hit the ball, and the Titleist has a soft but firm feel to it, I know it doesn't make much sense but I don't know how to better describe the feeling!
@@Economical_Overeem I ended up going with the Mizunos. I haven't had the greatest experience with them though, and I'm not talking about club performance, so I'm thinking of grabbing the new T100 in the fall when they get released.
I tried the 923 forged and thought they were very nice. Ultimately ended up choosing the mizuno pro 225s instead. Tight call, but the looks of the 225s are just immaculate
For me it is the feeling off the face. I played the JPX900 Tours and moved up to the 221s. I waited to test clubs until this Jan because the JPX Tours have the copper underlay as well. But, when I tested, the 221s were freaking awesome!!!
Pure forgings have somewhat limited capabilities distance wise for average swing speeds. Clubs like the P770, PXG irons or even the Mizuno Forged are offering more speed with a slightly less “true forged feel”. In the JPX Forged iron the 8 to Gap offering are made from 1025e carbon steel, so softer. Still a cavity back, but soft. I think Mizuno found something this year with the JPX line because the entire line up has better feel then the prior generation. As far as the comment about Mizuno feel being hype. Nope, it’s not hype. The cooper underlay in the blade or in the tour model combined with the “GF Forging” process is what “all” other irons are trying to achieve. Even other Mizuno irons that offer more ball speed using different metals or iron build are trying to achieve that. It’s about compromise unless you’re an elite golfer. Personally, I think the Forged is an outstanding iron.
I'm in the camp of loving the look of a thin top line. to me it enforces the confidence of accuracy, while a thick top line is a feeling of hit it as far as I can & make the most of what's left. JPX do not feel like a Mizuno of old.
I'm no way near the level needed to use these irons I currently use ping I irons but I've ordered the jpx 923 hot metals, I really did feel the difference compared to mine and also the g430s the TM stealths aswell, the mizunos definitely had a nicer feel and went further than the others aswell
You both hit the tour better. And I had AP1’s. Recently switched to JPX923’s and my game changed enough to break 80 constantly now. Making better shot dispersion on all my irons😉. This was the first time I went into my fitting not letting my EGO get involved for the first time EVER 😂. And let the numbers make my decision. I feel that’s A LOT of golfers problems when choosing the right set of clubs for their game. I HIGHLY recommend trying this. Look both of them said they didn’t even want to a swing it. But both of them hit the one they didn’t like just by ego and looks🤦🏻♂️
Just got the 923 Tours today. They feel amazing and they are more forgiving than I expected. The 4-iron is shockingly small to my eye. I doubt I will ever use it.
up until 2 years, I played the Mizuno T-Zoid blades. With those, when you hit the sweet spot they felt incredible and butter soft. I have since gone to PXG 0311 P irons (thanks to Andy for turning me into a PXG fanboy!). My new PXG irons, when you hit the sweet spot, they feel really good and the ball just JUMPS off the club face. I did try the JPX line up but for some reason I did not get on with them.
Felt like they did a disservice to Mizuno in this review. They failed to mention or were unaware there’s a difference in the 4-7 (chromoly forged) vs. 8-GW (pured carbon steel forged). Basically just compared the 4 and 7 iron forged vs. tour review, and gave their opinions as representation of the entire set. Assuming these were media or fitting samples (only provided 4 and 7 iron), but should state so before making statements such as ‘forged is harder to me’.
Andy. I have to agree with him about the feeling of a Mizuno. I have played Mizuno MP5 forged, and I now play Honma Forged irons and they feel the same! Of course they are both Japanese Forged metal. I think the quality of the metal is what matters. And I think alot of the Forged irons depending on metals used are all feeling soft and "buttery" I Also feel that Cavity backs and 3 peice irons feel more "dull" and non responsive. Of course that is my thought and feelings. And may be different from other players out there. Great video though! Really honest and truthful. Love it!
@@TheAverageGolfer I agree with you 10000% and I will only play forged irons. I need that feeling. So I know if I hit a perfect shot or a crap shot. Forged irons tell you the story of every hit.
I haven't play Mizuno in years, used to play the MP-32s and to this day I have never found another iron that felt so good to me. I guess to each their own.
Lewis is a great addition to the channel. His opinions are very much valued and appreciated. It's great to hear someone's unbiased opinion. Don't have to agree, though I don't know these clubs at all, but it's refreshing to hear something other than "these are the greatest etc" regardless of the club. This is what reviews are for.
just my 2 cents, I am currently playing with TM P7TW blades and also have srixon z forged blade. I put the same shaft in both and they feel exactly the same. the feel out of an iron depends more on your swing. i have two diff swings where one makes the impact feel super light (like hitting a ping pong ball with a paddle) vs. one that feels heavy like the ball is getting compressed more (feels more like hitting a tennis ball with a racquet). strangely they both yield the same distance. my point is, you can get diff feels from a blade even when hitting the sweet spot based on what swing you put on it. the thing I like about blades is it exposes your swing flaws. And it's like a swing trainer while playing golf. sure its much harder to hit but after 20 years, I finally "got it" and now I get those quarter size wear marks on my club faces. I never took golf lessons whereas my buddy's only been playing for 2 years and he has as good of a swing as me. he spent about 5k dollars on golf lessons and we analyze pro's swing and try to figure out the "secret move" and we finally got it. The point is, getting proper lesson from a good local pro (not some quack), is the key to really saving money and enjoying this game for a long time. I wish I had learned how to swing the club properly sooner. it wouldve saved my back from so much pain and damage all these years.
Are the forged comparable to the MP 223's? I'm a mid handicap player and will be pulling the trigger on one of the two in the next couple weeks. Feel like I can't go wrong with either one right?
Hi And, I'm with you here. Must be the same generation as when I first played, the clubs were paper thin and small. Love a Mizuno iron though. Haven't hit a bad club
What controversy? I hit the hotmetal , the corresponding Titleist, Callaway, Taylor Made, and the Ping in the "player improvement' range. The Mizuno where by far the best feeling, best sounding, and I was able to hit them higher and farther. I don't buy hype, I buy what works, but they are gorgeous. If I was a scratch golfer I would probably go with Titleist, but then this channel IS called "The Average Golfer'... so, what's your point here?
Just ordered JPX 923 Tours , feel like a complete imposter!! playing off 18hcp but after many tests and comparisons with the forged I found them easier it too hit .
Nearly bought Mizuno irons twice, MP18 MMC in 2018 and 921 Forged in 2021. MP18s were lovely feeling but I just couldn't control the ball flight, 921 Forged were OK but just a bit too big for my eye so the fact that in the 923 the forged model has slimmed down would be a bonus. But I also tried a while back the 919 Tours, absolutely wonderful feeling, one of the best I have ever tried, I could easily have played the 7i maybe even 6i to PW in that set but the 5i scared me with how small it was. I play i210s which are cast clubs, but they still feel nice when I catch it out of the middle and have a a surprising amount of forgiveness. If I win the lottery the 223s would be high up the list to replace the i210s
Those are the clubs that I play and totally agree. I picked up a set of MP 64's to practice with and I've hit some shots that were so soft I thought I missed the ball. True butter soft.
Mizuno irons are the best imo and I have the JPX 922 forged and they are awesome! I do have a similar opinion about Vokey wedges and think they are nothing special and don’t feel any better than any other wedges
Great review...first time I have every hear any golf say He Don't Get the Hipe on Mizuno....Very Honest and the Man hits a lot of differernt irons..Me I still want to test the Mizuno 225 Pro and see for myselt...Thanks Bro...
It's all in your head Andy! Being traditional lofted they won't go as far as a 29 degree 7 iron with a springy face but modern bladed clubs are much more forgiving than they used to be. If you're happy taking an extra club then modern blades are definitely an option for the low -mid- handicap player. I urge you to have a look at Jay smith's channel, ask golf nut where he does a comparison of the 221 pro and 223 forged and shows how forgiving they are. 10m low, 10m toe strikes are not unduly punished. I think we have been brainwashed to believe that we need game improvement irons if we are above a 10 handicap. You have to be objective about it and hit loads of shots on a simulator to find out if they really work for you. A subjective "these are not for me" won't cut it!
@@TheAverageGolfer I'd never accuse you of being negative! Worth a video though I think. People's perception of blades and blade type clubs vs the reality.
Bought my Taylormade Speedblade irons about 10 years ago. Liked them. Then, bought a set of Ping G30's. OK but just didn't "feel" right. Went back to Speedblades ahhhh, that's it. Then bought Mizuno JPX 919's. OK but didn't "feel" right. And the long irons had a wheezing sound in the swish, like a horse with breathing problems. Think it's from the little vanes in the cavity. Back to the Speedblades, ahhhh! That's it! With me it how the clubs felt during the swings. Not necessarily sound, impact and all that. Results were about the same but the Speedblades are like an old shoe.I think they have a little heavier swing weight. Maybe that's it.
I strongly disagree with almost everything Lewis said. I got down to 12 hcp playing MP32s, off the shelf with DG S300 shafts in them. Then I drank the kool-aid of golf pros and club fitters who spread the myths like he does (thank God, that has changed in the past five years or so) and switched to Ping G-series irons, custom fitted with lighter, high launching shafts, and my hcp rose to 18 within two years, because my swing went south quickly, and I had no consistency in terms of length . It is astonishing, how some people talk about blades, like they could get killed by them. They are not swords or daggers pointed at your heart, they are only golf clubs, and as long as your livelyhood doesn't depend on earning money in tournaments, what does it matter? For me personally, I think that I play better with smaller iron heads, because you won't miss the ball completely once you have reached a certain level, and "anywhere on the face" is inevitably very close to the sweet spot with very small iron heads. The only thing Lewis is right about is the fact that "Nothing feels like a Mizuno" isn't 100% correct. Forged Wilson Staff blades (which brought me back close to my best golf again after the GI experiment) and forged Srixon irons feel just as good as Mizuno irons.
1 was 18 hc game improve irons . Feel like I'm looking at a brick and need to grip tight . Went to Honda blade over tour at fitting . Distance less consistency out of this world . Hold club looser and more relaxed now on a 12 hc still going lower
I've not got a ton of different clubs like you guys have but any club out the middle feels great. The rest of it is in our heads and preconceptions. I can't look at lots of offset, it just looks weird but I can't look at a tiny blade with no offset either. I only play short irons but if I was changing anytime soon I'd be looking at zx5's or maybe the 223 forged, I think.
I played the JPX 917 hot metals for three years nicest irons I ever played. However, I now play the srixon ZX fours they feel just as nice and I find them much more forgiving.
I guess the forged is competing now with the Hot metal pro. The hot metal pro is similar in shape but more players distance design. Hard to figure where the Forged sits if you are not getting the feel element.
When people refer to Mizuno feel, they're talking abut their one piece Grain flow forged irons. The JPX 923 Forged are not in that category as they are multi material, multi piece irons. The JPX 923 Tour doesn't have boron and is the classic 1025e with a copper underlay which is more traditonal but still not the MP series. With all that being said, and as much as I love Mizuno's feel, I've hit other irons which feel every bit as good. This includes WIlson Staff model forgings which use the according to some, uses inferior 8620 carbon construction. Bottom line is that sound=feel. Get the sound right with any material and the club will feel great.
Lewis is spot on. Mizuno Chasing performance had to give up that Mizuno feel. I’m from the time of MP 29 where feel was premium. No longer the case unfortunately. And like you Andy, I much prefer the JPX Tour.
This is the mistake of comparing these irons side by side when they’re really for different players. You could get seduced into an iron that might not best fit your game. Feel and sound is nice, but after a while of playing this game, performance is the best feedback I can get. The forged are my pick. They also don’t make the tour for LH like they do the forged.
Thanks Andy Great videos Having reviewed all these clubs I would like to know /see some videos on full bag recommendations / mixes for 10 - 15 and 15 to 20 handicappers. Especially the 14 club mix with things like the ChipR and the 7/9 woods etc I have changed a couple of clubs in my set up from watching your videos and they seem a better balanced solution than previously 👍⛳️
The sound even came through clearly in the video. A distinct clicky sound from the Forged. Could be the cold weather etc of course but it was interesting.
I think if you like forged clubs, the Mizuno and Ben Hogans are different in feel. The Srixon are good too. I think a lot of players will play clubs for distance or forgiviness etc... Those who are looking for that small difference in feel these clubs offer that.
ARE Offset woods and irons a good thing for the average golfer. Have an old set of Cobra woods seem easier to hit than the new ones. Do you think its the same in irons.
My experience from a fitting a few years back: the 921 forged didn’t feel good in my opinion. Bad actually. The 921 tours, I loved them and play them now. BUT! They do not feel better than my previous irons: ‘98s Taylormade Burner LCG irons. They felt and performed exactly the same. I just upgraded because I wanted to after a few decades. Hitting the middle of a club will make anything sound/feel good. Fan that they’ve got the copper layer now, but that’s cancelled out by them making the tours smaller.
Recently moved away from Mizuno 919 forged to TM P770's loved mizuno feel and look but the new 923 forged have gone stronger lofted compared to 919s. ( I not sure why manufactures are making alot of these players clubs strong lofted as I have my yardages for each iron and when i look at changing i want something that has the same loft) The P770 are a lovely looking iron, slightly weaker lofted than my 919s but i didnt loose any distance that i can see so far but only have them a month Im sure my shotscope stats wont be that different
I really don't understand how people gain or lose confidence over the ball when looking at the top line of irons. I would much rather have a small top line. The fact game improvement irons are thicker/bigger is one of the reason i don't like hitting them. I miss the feel of my mizuno blades, mp-33's are just so buttery soft. I tried moving to game improvement irons and kept going back to the blades. I never hit them any better, and it seemed like played worse most the time. I'm currently playing 620cb's because the heads look much closer to the blade profile, but they don't have the feel the mizuno blades had.
Mine is more a sole thing. If it has a thick sole I just don't have confidence I can go down after it while still getting out of the ground with a clean strike. It's 100% in my head but darn if it doesn't bleed into my results.
@@jacobmccain8082 it could be this for me as well. Since i play on cheaper courses most of the time and the ground is much harder than an expensive course. The wider soles seem to be much more inclined to bounce or just stick in the ground more, instead of taking a clean divot like a players iron would.
@@TheAverageGolfer It seem like it is a bit of a marketing ploy as well. I cant remember anyone ever talking about confidence and top line until game improvement irons became more of a thing and thicker top lines being one of the distinctions of game improvement irons.
I own & play the 919 Hot Metal Pro, bent mostly 2 degrees weaker & I've said this now for 3 yrs, I don't understand the Forged model - I think they should get rid of it because the Hot Metal Pro, especially the new 923 version, sounds just as good and is more forgiving. The new Tour version is no doubt a real Mizuno sounding & feeling club & honestly is a better club than the 221 Pro Blade. For me, Mizuno's best clubs are the Pro 225, 923 Tour & 923 Hot Metal Pro
@@geraldhemming I can give a really long-winded answer to this but this was a slow and progressive journey, after taking 15+ years off the game with injury, coming back to new technology and new balls that fly way further than wound balata balls, and then starting with TXG in Toronto to bend them weaker to hit certain carries (I live around the corner from them), but then with more information I learned with my ice-hockey slapshot background, I'm a VERY forward handle deliverer of the club, so without knowing this when I bent them initially, actually bending them much weaker actually helped my through turf delivery. My specs are (48,42,37,32, 28, 24) - so the 5-iron at 24 I think is the same but the 48-degree PW is 3-degrees weaker - the 32-degree 7-iron is 2 degrees weaker (I ultimately replaced my 6&5 with 919 HMB 6&5 at same loft as I like the thinner soles and not seeing the back of the clubs) - but my 32-degree 7-iron, which I stock carry 173-yards, I LOVE. With my comeback to the game, and more modern toe-down to toe-down delivery with stronger face control and less club rotation through impact - I think addind 2-degrees (30 to 32 degrees 7-iron) is PERFECT - spin is in an excellent window and turf interaction is excellent for MY delivery - all of this was done at TXG and they liked the numbers for ME. No two golfers are similar but it worked for me.
It’s about why you play golf . . . . if it’s just for score - why watch football - just catch the result from Internet . . . . it’s the pleasure and emotion the game brings, a sweetly struck 5i blade is as good a treat as you will get, but if your swing ain’t right, they won’t forgive you for it!
Mizunos feel incredible...when you compress them and hit them out of the middle. Any shot off middle gives you the feedback that you didn't hit it dead nuts. As a Mizuno player you are always chasing that center strike to get that feel. I have hit most other brands of irons out of the middle and they all feel very good, but they don't feel like a Mizuno imo.
I startet with blades so i would love to get the Tour model... But the economy for new set aint there yet... specially after i pnly played since aprill 22
Andy, what irons does your guest play. Has he tried Takomo irons. If it doesn't really matter then why spend a thousand more pounds if it doesn't matter. I agree with him. I hit a Wilson D9 7 iron and then a Taylormade P790 7 iron. I hit the Wilson just a bit further but the numbers were very close. So if feel and looks isn't a real big issue then I save myself 800.00 by going with the Wilson
These clubs must be custom fit. I got fitted for forged with the 950 gh neo shaft. It was so much easier to hit than my Taylor made speed blades or the P790s
I agree that their is hype on Mizuno feel. I've hit different forgings out the middle and softer cast irons. Can't feel a big difference. However, I think the psychology of clubheads discussed here is overemphasized. The tours are not horribly unforgiving anyway. These days, pick something you like the look of and suits your game. Don't worry too much about "inspiring confidence." Having a hybrid, a long player's iron, or a long forgiving iron won't make you more confident hitting a 200 yard shot over water.
I have to disagree on the confidence factor, if a 20 HCp golfer has the option of a 3 iron or 3 hybrid in almost every instance they will have more confidence in the hybrid
Really enjoy your videos when you include the Pro in them. I bought a single JPX900 Tour 6i demo club, blade profile but could still hit a ball well. What Mizuno can’t do that? 🤔
Hi pal I played the forged at the range last night and they were fire Andy so good 😮 Lewis being conversational 😂 the amount of Mizuno irons I have had and let go 😅 nothing better in blades than them …… but need extra help now 😮keep up the good work boys
Mizuno make great clubs and you can feel the difference,but you do feel great when you hit forged clubs , all the Japanese clubs seem to be more softer ,thanks
Mizuno reputation was founded on solid forged (1025) irons with no or minimal cavity. Of the current line up, on 221 and JPX Tour eally fit that bill. Everything else is not true Mizuno. That's basically what the pro concludes, forget chromoly and other stuff if you want feel.
If you have headphones on you can hit a Top Flite with any club and it will "feel" exactly like hitting a balata with a Mizuno blade. No such thing as feel. It's sound. You will feel that blade on a cold morning with a mis hit though!
@@TheAverageGolfer they are not. One is a center strike. You won’t feel that you hear it. The other is vibration from a miss hit. You will feel that. Golf digest a long time ago had golfers hit balls with ear muffs. They absolutely could not tell the difference between a balata and a top flite. It’s a good idea for you to do on your channel. I bet you won’t feel a difference on center strikes between blade and game improvements. Feel is sound.
My current gamer is the JPX 921 Tour and I'm actually looking at going the other way. I'm a decent player but I would like to have a bit more forgiveness if I'm honest.
Feel the opposite - thick topline and wide sole doesn’t give me confidence at all, feels like I will fat the shot every time. Almost like hitting driver off the deck. Thin topline and thin sole gives me confidence and I visualise hitting precisely ball first then divot after the ball
It’s an odd one because you bash the forged here but are usually quite complimentary about the P790s… if you hit them back to back P790 feels like you’ve hit the ball with a brick 🧱
I have stated in every review since the first launch that P790 have a clicky sound, a word I use in every video when testing those irons and I didn’t bash any club 🤷♂️
I'm not that good and i play mizuno tour 919's. I crush'em and they're rockets.. I like the lite weight and sleek smaller head.. I find it easier to strike and cut into the turf.. also easier to control and manipulate the head. I can't hit big forgiving irons at all..
The mindset of “who wants to make the game harder than it already is” is absolutely why so many people do not get better. They want tech, clubs, balls, fill in the blank make up for lack of skill. You play something like a 221 or jpx tour for consistency. If you can’t hit them SWING BETTER. A forgiving club is a crutch for a bad golf swing. Modern blades and cavity backs are plenty forgiving. I’d much rather play something consistent than something that may go 10 yards further than normal with a good swing.
Interesting! The first time I tested clubs after 20 years away from golf I could immediately feel the difference with Mizuno irons and I had no idea what their tag line was. I was fitted into the Forged and went to the 221 the following season. Love the feel. I couldn't disagree more that golf is just a number in a box. I love both the look and feel of their irons and that gives me pleasure every time I swing them. And I play well with them as well even though they're supposed to be for a better golfer than I.
I love my 923 Forged irons. I’m around a 12 handicap but I have no trouble at all with these irons. What impressed me most about them is how well the ball launches on thinly struck shots. Very little carry drop off as well. They are aesthetically the nicest irons I’ve ever gamed. There’s definitely a slight difference in sound and feel between the chromoly slotted 4-7 irons and the 1025E short irons, but perfectly struck shots definitely give me that Mizuno feel. I doubt I’ll be swapping these out anytime soon.
I switch clubs constantly I go from anything anything from a players distance iron into a blade!!currently playing mizuno 221s in my opinion there's not a huge difference in forgiveness in most club categories a poor golf swing is going to result in a very similar result no matter what golf club you hit it with!!with that being said play what looks and feels the best to you
I agree and I have the complete range of iron types from 1970’s up to today
I went into my fitting thinking I’d need the help of the forged but walked away with the Tour model. Wow what a difference and the forgiveness scores were actually much better with the Tour model! The most amazing club I’ve ever hit and best since my MP-60 years ago
Exactly the same ! 😂
I love this dialogue. and I really appreciate his honesty. great channel. thumbs up!
I’m a mid handicapper and actually fit into the tour. They aren’t that hard to hit. The only issue I had was distance but I would club up. The lofts are weaker than use to. But they SHOCKED me and I’m a 14 handicap. They were very easy to hit!
I just got fit for the 923 forged. I honestly never thought I woulda liked Mizuno but I tried the T-100, 150,200’s, Taylormade P770, 790, Ping 230, Callaway and other Mizuno clubs. I never thought I’d prefer the feel and consistency of Mizuno. I believe every golfer is different and has a certain feel they prefer
How did the T200s look & feel compared to the 923 Forged? Were they close? Those are the 2 irons that have caught my eye the most this past year.
I agree with Lewis. Just bought new irons. Was very excited by all the hype to try Mizuno. I tried multiple models and couldn't tell the difference between them and everything else. If I was striking the ball really well then every club hit the sweet spot and felt fantastic. If I was hitting the ball thin, or on the toe or heel then everything jangled up the handle. After multiple rounds of testing (to make sure I didn't have a fluke day) I ended up buying something else because the dispersion circles were better for me.
The Tour is the first JPX to have the Copper Underlay. I think the JPX have got firmer since the 800/825 series. Love the honesty that Lewis provides. Keep up the good work
I played Mizuno MX23 for 10 years. When it was time to change I thought I’d end up with Mizuno again, however I ended up with Srixon z745 at the fitting. I much preferred the feel of those.
I really liked the honesty in the back and forth discussions between the two of you. It brought out some important details that the data aspects just can’t.
I am glad you enjoyed the format 👍
I love when Lewis part of Andy’s videos due to unabashed honesty. Too many YT channels focused on equipment are concerned with alienating the OEMs and as a result, everything is great. As good a player as Lewis is, he’s not afraid to say “Do I have to hit them?” He has more talent and feel than I’ll ever have (I’m an average golfer), but he wants to make the game easier too!
A breathe of fresh air!
Your comment is spot on! I carry the JPX900s (bought a few years ago) for one reason.. feel. But those are not as soft feeling of my other Mizunos (MX-20s). I might switch this year to Ping i230s. Not sure if the feel will be as good? I agree when other youtubers will not say anything bad when they are getting paid by them (ie goodgood or Grant and Micah).
I play the 923 Tours and tested them side by side with the forged when I was fit and just hit them better, and could shape shots better. I came from playing blades and like that the heads are no visually different than blades, with a tiny bit of forgiveness. I just feel more confident looking down at a thin topline. I actually cant hit game improvement irons worth a crap because the size just gets in my head. It's just funny that everyone gets scared looking down at a blade and I feel completely the opposite. If you want to really get a thrill, grab the Cobra MB 4 iron, its about half an inch shorter than the mizuno :)
Same same, just got a set and love them
Love the way Lewis just says what he thinks and is not stereotyped like most who just follow the flock you've put some cracking videos out lately Andy keep them coming 👍
Absolutely and thxs
I started golfing in the early 70’s with a set of 1960’s vintage Spaulding blades 2 - PW. The driver and 3 wood were real woods. Looking back now, I realize just how atrociously difficult those clubs were to play. I do have to say, there is no better feeling than to hit a forged iron, and Mizuno in my opinion is tops in that category.
A Spaulding 2 iron!! Wow
I just replaced my Spaulding Executive irons with a set of Tour Edge. My favorite iron in the Spaulding set was my 2 iron.
Played Mizuno for a lot of years but the forging process of other OEMs have caught up to them. I think Srixon is making severely underrated irons right now.
Srixon z765s! Boom!
zx5s are very nice.
You r spot on with your opinion on these Andy I pulled the trigger on the 225s but they were too clicky off the face for me ordered the JPX tour and they are so much better feel wise...👍🏻
I have gamed irons from every major brand except Callaway. Got the Mizuno Pro 223's a couple months back and the Mizuno feel is just different. I was fitted for and hit everything imaginable, including forged offerings of all that had them. My previous irons were the first gen Titleist T200's. Whether one iron is better for you than another is debatable, especially if you're shopping in the same category of club. So all things being equal, I pick the iron that makes me want to practice more and helps me enjoy the game more. I'm absolutely loving the 223's even if my scoring and ball striking isn't appreciably better after a couple months than it was with the T200's.
Thanks for the video. I have tried the 923 Tour against the Titleist T100 multiple times and with many different shafts to try and get it right. Ultimately, I love the look of the T100 better however, the 923 Tour was softer by a good amount. When using the same shaft (Modus 120 S) I had results that were so close you wouldn't be able to tell one apart from the other. I am still to make a decision on what to go with, but can vouch for anyone looking at the 923 Tours that they are very soft on the feel and more forgiving than you'd think.
Which was more forgiving?
@@Economical_Overeem to be quite honest, they were very similar, I don't think either was more forgiving than the other. On the Titleist you'll feel the off-center hits more. Mizunos have a super soft feel where you question whether you even hit the ball, and the Titleist has a soft but firm feel to it, I know it doesn't make much sense but I don't know how to better describe the feeling!
@@mujo199 which club did you end up going with?
@@Economical_Overeem I ended up going with the Mizunos. I haven't had the greatest experience with them though, and I'm not talking about club performance, so I'm thinking of grabbing the new T100 in the fall when they get released.
@@mujo199 what was your negative experience?
I tried the 923 forged and thought they were very nice. Ultimately ended up choosing the mizuno pro 225s instead. Tight call, but the looks of the 225s are just immaculate
I did exactly the same. Mizuno’s have excellent feel that few clubs have…
@@saintcruzin agreed. They are so buttery
For me it is the feeling off the face. I played the JPX900 Tours and moved up to the 221s. I waited to test clubs until this Jan because the JPX Tours have the copper underlay as well. But, when I tested, the 221s were freaking awesome!!!
I agree the 221s are very nice
Pure forgings have somewhat limited capabilities distance wise for average swing speeds. Clubs like the P770, PXG irons or even the Mizuno Forged are offering more speed with a slightly less “true forged feel”. In the JPX Forged iron the 8 to Gap offering are made from 1025e carbon steel, so softer. Still a cavity back, but soft. I think Mizuno found something this year with the JPX line because the entire line up has better feel then the prior generation. As far as the comment about Mizuno feel being hype. Nope, it’s not hype. The cooper underlay in the blade or in the tour model combined with the “GF Forging” process is what “all” other irons are trying to achieve. Even other Mizuno irons that offer more ball speed using different metals or iron build are trying to achieve that. It’s about compromise unless you’re an elite golfer. Personally, I think the Forged is an outstanding iron.
I'm in the camp of loving the look of a thin top line. to me it enforces the confidence of accuracy, while a thick top line is a feeling of hit it as far as I can & make the most of what's left. JPX do not feel like a Mizuno of old.
I'm no way near the level needed to use these irons I currently use ping I irons but I've ordered the jpx 923 hot metals, I really did feel the difference compared to mine and also the g430s the TM stealths aswell, the mizunos definitely had a nicer feel and went further than the others aswell
You both hit the tour better. And I had AP1’s. Recently switched to JPX923’s and my game changed enough to break 80 constantly now. Making better shot dispersion on all my irons😉. This was the first time I went into my fitting not letting my EGO get involved for the first time EVER 😂. And let the numbers make my decision. I feel that’s A LOT of golfers problems when choosing the right set of clubs for their game. I HIGHLY recommend trying this. Look both of them said they didn’t even want to a swing it. But both of them hit the one they didn’t like just by ego and looks🤦🏻♂️
Just got the 923 Tours today. They feel amazing and they are more forgiving than I expected. The 4-iron is shockingly small to my eye. I doubt I will ever use it.
up until 2 years, I played the Mizuno T-Zoid blades. With those, when you hit the sweet spot they felt incredible and butter soft. I have since gone to PXG 0311 P irons (thanks to Andy for turning me into a PXG fanboy!). My new PXG irons, when you hit the sweet spot, they feel really good and the ball just JUMPS off the club face. I did try the JPX line up but for some reason I did not get on with them.
😂😂 sorry
The 923F is forged from a single billet of 4120 Chromoly in the 4-7 irons. Probably the 8-G would have felt better.
Felt like they did a disservice to Mizuno in this review. They failed to mention or were unaware there’s a difference in the 4-7 (chromoly forged) vs. 8-GW (pured carbon steel forged). Basically just compared the 4 and 7 iron forged vs. tour review, and gave their opinions as representation of the entire set. Assuming these were media or fitting samples (only provided 4 and 7 iron), but should state so before making statements such as ‘forged is harder to me’.
100% agree , was just away to comment the exact observation, good spot , I think the same make up is in the 223's ?
Andy.
I have to agree with him about the feeling of a Mizuno. I have played Mizuno MP5 forged, and I now play Honma Forged irons and they feel the same! Of course they are both Japanese Forged metal. I think the quality of the metal is what matters. And I think alot of the Forged irons depending on metals used are all feeling soft and "buttery" I Also feel that Cavity backs and 3 peice irons feel more "dull" and non responsive. Of course that is my thought and feelings. And may be different from other players out there. Great video though! Really honest and truthful. Love it!
Oh yeah I agree all ‘forged’ irons feel the same but forged irons are definitely very different from cast and hollow etc.
@@TheAverageGolfer I agree with you 10000% and I will only play forged irons. I need that feeling. So I know if I hit a perfect shot or a crap shot. Forged irons tell you the story of every hit.
I haven't play Mizuno in years, used to play the MP-32s and to this day I have never found another iron that felt so good to me. I guess to each their own.
Great analysis. Love the thoroughness where both perforrmance and the psychology (due to the sound of the strike) should both be considered.
Lewis is a great addition to the channel. His opinions are very much valued and appreciated. It's great to hear someone's unbiased opinion. Don't have to agree, though I don't know these clubs at all, but it's refreshing to hear something other than "these are the greatest etc" regardless of the club. This is what reviews are for.
Absolutely 👍
Still love my PING i230.. Power spec loft..irons and 4.0 Glide wedges..
just my 2 cents, I am currently playing with TM P7TW blades and also have srixon z forged blade. I put the same shaft in both and they feel exactly the same. the feel out of an iron depends more on your swing. i have two diff swings where one makes the impact feel super light (like hitting a ping pong ball with a paddle) vs. one that feels heavy like the ball is getting compressed more (feels more like hitting a tennis ball with a racquet).
strangely they both yield the same distance. my point is, you can get diff feels from a blade even when hitting the sweet spot based on what swing you put on it. the thing I like about blades is it exposes your swing flaws. And it's like a swing trainer while playing golf. sure its much harder to hit but after 20 years, I finally "got it" and now I get those quarter size wear marks on my club faces. I never took golf lessons whereas my buddy's only been playing for 2 years and he has as good of a swing as me. he spent about 5k dollars on golf lessons and we analyze pro's swing and try to figure out the "secret move" and we finally got it. The point is, getting proper lesson from a good local pro (not some quack), is the key to really saving money and enjoying this game for a long time. I wish I had learned how to swing the club properly sooner. it wouldve saved my back from so much pain and damage all these years.
Are the forged comparable to the MP 223's? I'm a mid handicap player and will be pulling the trigger on one of the two in the next couple weeks. Feel like I can't go wrong with either one right?
223s are a bit smaller but yeah pretty close.
Hi And, I'm with you here. Must be the same generation as when I first played, the clubs were paper thin and small. Love a Mizuno iron though. Haven't hit a bad club
Absolutely David I am a big fan of Mizuno
What controversy? I hit the hotmetal , the corresponding Titleist, Callaway, Taylor Made, and the Ping in the "player improvement' range. The Mizuno where by far the best feeling, best sounding, and I was able to hit them higher and farther. I don't buy hype, I buy what works, but they are gorgeous. If I was a scratch golfer I would probably go with Titleist, but then this channel IS called "The Average Golfer'... so, what's your point here?
I’ll have a chicken balti, fish and chips and a spring roll mate
you are so humble. your swing is good enough to play blades. great swing!
Just ordered JPX 923 Tours , feel like a complete imposter!! playing off 18hcp but after many tests and comparisons with the forged I found them easier it too hit .
Nearly bought Mizuno irons twice, MP18 MMC in 2018 and 921 Forged in 2021. MP18s were lovely feeling but I just couldn't control the ball flight, 921 Forged were OK but just a bit too big for my eye so the fact that in the 923 the forged model has slimmed down would be a bonus. But I also tried a while back the 919 Tours, absolutely wonderful feeling, one of the best I have ever tried, I could easily have played the 7i maybe even 6i to PW in that set but the 5i scared me with how small it was.
I play i210s which are cast clubs, but they still feel nice when I catch it out of the middle and have a a surprising amount of forgiveness. If I win the lottery the 223s would be high up the list to replace the i210s
Amen Andy, the Tour model isn't scary at all!
I have the 919 forged and love them, however I find that my Ping’s have good feel and sound too.
The JPX900 forged were also a bit harder because of the boron. But it was a very good feel, my opinion, and they seem to get less chatter.
Those are the clubs that I play and totally agree. I picked up a set of MP 64's to practice with and I've hit some shots that were so soft I thought I missed the ball. True butter soft.
I think I strike the ball better using smaller headed irons, mainly because I concentrate harder and I don't try to over swing.
I’ve always wondered if that is a thing
Mizuno irons are the best imo and I have the JPX 922 forged and they are awesome! I do have a similar opinion about Vokey wedges and think they are nothing special and don’t feel any better than any other wedges
Great review...first time I have every hear any golf say He Don't Get the Hipe on Mizuno....Very Honest and the Man hits a lot of differernt irons..Me I still want to test the Mizuno 225 Pro and see for myselt...Thanks Bro...
It's all in your head Andy! Being traditional lofted they won't go as far as a 29 degree 7 iron with a springy face but modern bladed clubs are much more forgiving than they used to be. If you're happy taking an extra club then modern blades are definitely an option for the low -mid- handicap player. I urge you to have a look at Jay smith's channel, ask golf nut where he does a comparison of the 221 pro and 223 forged and shows how forgiving they are. 10m low, 10m toe strikes are not unduly punished. I think we have been brainwashed to believe that we need game improvement irons if we are above a 10 handicap. You have to be objective about it and hit loads of shots on a simulator to find out if they really work for you. A subjective "these are not for me" won't cut it!
To be fair Jim I’ve said this in many videos, I am far from negative towards blades 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer I'd never accuse you of being negative! Worth a video though I think. People's perception of blades and blade type clubs vs the reality.
Nothing feels like a MIZUNO!!! Love my 919 tours
Bought my Taylormade Speedblade irons about 10 years ago. Liked them. Then, bought a set of Ping G30's. OK but just didn't "feel" right. Went back to Speedblades ahhhh, that's it. Then bought Mizuno JPX 919's. OK but didn't "feel" right. And the long irons had a wheezing sound in the swish, like a horse with breathing problems. Think it's from the little vanes in the cavity. Back to the Speedblades, ahhhh! That's it! With me it how the clubs felt during the swings. Not necessarily sound, impact and all that. Results were about the same but the Speedblades are like an old shoe.I think they have a little heavier swing weight. Maybe that's it.
I would just go for the Mizuno Pro line over the JPX line…better feel, more “prestigious” and really not any more expensive.
I strongly disagree with almost everything Lewis said. I got down to 12 hcp playing MP32s, off the shelf with DG S300 shafts in them. Then I drank the kool-aid of golf pros and club fitters who spread the myths like he does (thank God, that has changed in the past five years or so) and switched to Ping G-series irons, custom fitted with lighter, high launching shafts, and my hcp rose to 18 within two years, because my swing went south quickly, and I had no consistency in terms of length . It is astonishing, how some people talk about blades, like they could get killed by them. They are not swords or daggers pointed at your heart, they are only golf clubs, and as long as your livelyhood doesn't depend on earning money in tournaments, what does it matter? For me personally, I think that I play better with smaller iron heads, because you won't miss the ball completely once you have reached a certain level, and "anywhere on the face" is inevitably very close to the sweet spot with very small iron heads.
The only thing Lewis is right about is the fact that "Nothing feels like a Mizuno" isn't 100% correct. Forged Wilson Staff blades (which brought me back close to my best golf again after the GI experiment) and forged Srixon irons feel just as good as Mizuno irons.
1 was 18 hc game improve irons . Feel like I'm looking at a brick and need to grip tight . Went to Honda blade over tour at fitting . Distance less consistency out of this world . Hold club looser and more relaxed now on a 12 hc still going lower
I've not got a ton of different clubs like you guys have but any club out the middle feels great. The rest of it is in our heads and preconceptions. I can't look at lots of offset, it just looks weird but I can't look at a tiny blade with no offset either. I only play short irons but if I was changing anytime soon I'd be looking at zx5's or maybe the 223 forged, I think.
With the JPX 850 forged they added boron. Was not the same pure feel. Still have this set but play Hot metal pro now. Miss pure forged feel.
I played the JPX 917 hot metals for three years nicest irons I ever played. However, I now play the srixon ZX fours they feel just as nice and I find them much more forgiving.
I guess the forged is competing now with the Hot metal pro. The hot metal pro is similar in shape but more players distance design. Hard to figure where the Forged sits if you are not getting the feel element.
I mentioned in my initial review of the 923 line up that it seems there could be almost too many options right now from Mizuno
I’d say it’s a middle ground between someone wanting to get out of a GI iron but not quite ready for the tour. It’s about where my game is at.
When people refer to Mizuno feel, they're talking abut their one piece Grain flow forged irons. The JPX 923 Forged are not in that category as they are multi material, multi piece irons. The JPX 923 Tour doesn't have boron and is the classic 1025e with a copper underlay which is more traditonal but still not the MP series. With all that being said, and as much as I love Mizuno's feel, I've hit other irons which feel every bit as good. This includes WIlson Staff model forgings which use the according to some, uses inferior 8620 carbon construction. Bottom line is that sound=feel. Get the sound right with any material and the club will feel great.
Lewis is spot on. Mizuno Chasing performance had to give up that Mizuno feel. I’m from the time of MP 29 where feel was premium. No longer the case unfortunately. And like you Andy, I much prefer the JPX Tour.
This is the mistake of comparing these irons side by side when they’re really for different players. You could get seduced into an iron that might not best fit your game. Feel and sound is nice, but after a while of playing this game, performance is the best feedback I can get. The forged are my pick.
They also don’t make the tour for LH like they do the forged.
Oh thx, good hint as i was thinking of a LH Combo 923Tour/Forged ....so the Srixxon ZX5/7 might be right pick
Thanks Andy
Great videos
Having reviewed all these clubs I would like to know /see some videos on full bag recommendations / mixes for 10 - 15 and 15 to 20 handicappers. Especially the 14 club mix with things like the ChipR and the 7/9 woods etc
I have changed a couple of clubs in my set up from watching your videos and they seem a better balanced solution than previously 👍⛳️
The sound even came through clearly in the video. A distinct clicky sound from the Forged. Could be the cold weather etc of course but it was interesting.
Noticeably different from the tour
Can you compare the JPX Forged/Tour’s with the Mizuno Pro 225’s I’m curious why you would choose one or the other besides looks and lofts…
Love the review video without the silly data
I think if you like forged clubs, the Mizuno and Ben Hogans are different in feel. The Srixon are good too. I think a lot of players will play clubs for distance or forgiviness etc... Those who are looking for that small difference in feel these clubs offer that.
ARE Offset woods and irons a good thing for the average golfer. Have an old set of Cobra woods seem easier to hit than the new ones. Do you think its the same in irons.
My experience from a fitting a few years back: the 921 forged didn’t feel good in my opinion. Bad actually. The 921 tours, I loved them and play them now. BUT! They do not feel better than my previous irons: ‘98s Taylormade Burner LCG irons. They felt and performed exactly the same. I just upgraded because I wanted to after a few decades. Hitting the middle of a club will make anything sound/feel good.
Fan that they’ve got the copper layer now, but that’s cancelled out by them making the tours smaller.
Recently moved away from Mizuno 919 forged to TM P770's loved mizuno feel and look but the new 923 forged have gone stronger lofted compared to 919s. ( I not sure why manufactures are making alot of these players clubs strong lofted as I have my yardages for each iron and when i look at changing i want something that has the same loft) The P770 are a lovely looking iron, slightly weaker lofted than my 919s but i didnt loose any distance that i can see so far but only have them a month Im sure my shotscope stats wont be that different
I really don't understand how people gain or lose confidence over the ball when looking at the top line of irons. I would much rather have a small top line. The fact game improvement irons are thicker/bigger is one of the reason i don't like hitting them. I miss the feel of my mizuno blades, mp-33's are just so buttery soft. I tried moving to game improvement irons and kept going back to the blades. I never hit them any better, and it seemed like played worse most the time. I'm currently playing 620cb's because the heads look much closer to the blade profile, but they don't have the feel the mizuno blades had.
That’s why there are so many options, each to there own, there’s no right or wrong 👍
Mine is more a sole thing. If it has a thick sole I just don't have confidence I can go down after it while still getting out of the ground with a clean strike. It's 100% in my head but darn if it doesn't bleed into my results.
@@jacobmccain8082 it could be this for me as well. Since i play on cheaper courses most of the time and the ground is much harder than an expensive course. The wider soles seem to be much more inclined to bounce or just stick in the ground more, instead of taking a clean divot like a players iron would.
@@TheAverageGolfer It seem like it is a bit of a marketing ploy as well. I cant remember anyone ever talking about confidence and top line until game improvement irons became more of a thing and thicker top lines being one of the distinctions of game improvement irons.
I own & play the 919 Hot Metal Pro, bent mostly 2 degrees weaker & I've said this now for 3 yrs, I don't understand the Forged model - I think they should get rid of it because the Hot Metal Pro, especially the new 923 version, sounds just as good and is more forgiving. The new Tour version is no doubt a real Mizuno sounding & feeling club & honestly is a better club than the 221 Pro Blade. For me, Mizuno's best clubs are the Pro 225, 923 Tour & 923 Hot Metal Pro
It’s a very good point
I have the 919 HMP too. Interesting that you have bent them weaker, as that would increase the bounce do you think the turf interaction is improved?
@@geraldhemming I can give a really long-winded answer to this but this was a slow and progressive journey, after taking 15+ years off the game with injury, coming back to new technology and new balls that fly way further than wound balata balls, and then starting with TXG in Toronto to bend them weaker to hit certain carries (I live around the corner from them), but then with more information I learned with my ice-hockey slapshot background, I'm a VERY forward handle deliverer of the club, so without knowing this when I bent them initially, actually bending them much weaker actually helped my through turf delivery. My specs are (48,42,37,32, 28, 24) - so the 5-iron at 24 I think is the same but the 48-degree PW is 3-degrees weaker - the 32-degree 7-iron is 2 degrees weaker (I ultimately replaced my 6&5 with 919 HMB 6&5 at same loft as I like the thinner soles and not seeing the back of the clubs) - but my 32-degree 7-iron, which I stock carry 173-yards, I LOVE. With my comeback to the game, and more modern toe-down to toe-down delivery with stronger face control and less club rotation through impact - I think addind 2-degrees (30 to 32 degrees 7-iron) is PERFECT - spin is in an excellent window and turf interaction is excellent for MY delivery - all of this was done at TXG and they liked the numbers for ME. No two golfers are similar but it worked for me.
@@wallstreetoneil Excellent, thank you for taking the time to explain this 👍
MP 32
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It’s about why you play golf . . . . if it’s just for score - why watch football - just catch the result from Internet . . . . it’s the pleasure and emotion the game brings, a sweetly struck 5i blade is as good a treat as you will get, but if your swing ain’t right, they won’t forgive you for it!
I agree, I like some of the mizuno irons and have owned some. The “ nothing feels like a mizuno” is a bit much
Mizunos feel incredible...when you compress them and hit them out of the middle. Any shot off middle gives you the feedback that you didn't hit it dead nuts. As a Mizuno player you are always chasing that center strike to get that feel. I have hit most other brands of irons out of the middle and they all feel very good, but they don't feel like a Mizuno imo.
I startet with blades so i would love to get the Tour model... But the economy for new set aint there yet... specially after i pnly played since aprill 22
Yes I understand
Andy, what irons does your guest play. Has he tried Takomo irons. If it doesn't really matter then why spend a thousand more pounds if it doesn't matter. I agree with him. I hit a Wilson D9 7 iron and then a Taylormade P790 7 iron. I hit the Wilson just a bit further but the numbers were very close. So if feel and looks isn't a real big issue then I save myself 800.00 by going with the Wilson
I think he said Lewis plays P770s which is a Taylor Made product
These clubs must be custom fit. I got fitted for forged with the 950 gh neo shaft. It was so much easier to hit than my Taylor made speed blades or the P790s
I agree that their is hype on Mizuno feel. I've hit different forgings out the middle and softer cast irons. Can't feel a big difference. However, I think the psychology of clubheads discussed here is overemphasized. The tours are not horribly unforgiving anyway. These days, pick something you like the look of and suits your game. Don't worry too much about "inspiring confidence." Having a hybrid, a long player's iron, or a long forgiving iron won't make you more confident hitting a 200 yard shot over water.
I have to disagree on the confidence factor, if a 20 HCp golfer has the option of a 3 iron or 3 hybrid in almost every instance they will have more confidence in the hybrid
Love Lewis's honesty. I have the JPX 900 Forged and love them but may take a look at the HMB's. I'm not getting any younger. LOL
I 100% respect the man’s opinion, but I also disagree. For me there is definitely a difference in feel of a Mizuno.
Yep he’s lost the plot 😂
I agree with Lewis have tried them many times and can’t tell the difference! But I am an 11
Really enjoy your videos when you include the Pro in them. I bought a single JPX900 Tour 6i demo club, blade profile but could still hit a ball well. What Mizuno can’t do that? 🤔
Agree with Lewis 👍🏻
He’s a convert 😂
Hi pal I played the forged at the range last night and they were fire Andy so good 😮
Lewis being conversational 😂 the amount of Mizuno irons I have had and let go 😅 nothing better in blades than them …… but need extra help now 😮keep up the good work boys
Yeah I know what you mean, nice but more help needed!
Great video by the way👍
I have played many Mizuno's. I have to agree that I do not get the quote "nothing feels like a Mizuno". I have hit many others that feel just as good.
More controversy 😂
Mizuno make great clubs and you can feel the difference,but you do feel great when you hit forged clubs , all the Japanese clubs seem to be more softer ,thanks
Yep I would agree
It's time to hear what's in your bag......every week there's the greatest clubs.....WHAT is in your ban Lewis......Looking forward to hearing.
I've hit a lot of irons and Mizuno is the softest most butter feel
Mizuno reputation was founded on solid forged (1025) irons with no or minimal cavity. Of the current line up, on 221 and JPX Tour eally fit that bill. Everything else is not true Mizuno. That's basically what the pro concludes, forget chromoly and other stuff if you want feel.
Interesting the pro thinks there is no difference in feel. Having tried the P790 vs the 225 there was a clear difference to me
Appreciate his comments, but they do feel diffferent to me in a good way but each to their own right.
Got a fitting next week - looking forward to trying both of these…
And Lewis needs to try the 221 and say they don’t feel the same
Good luck bud
Cheers pal - another banger vid 💪👍
If you have headphones on you can hit a Top Flite with any club and it will "feel" exactly like hitting a balata with a Mizuno blade. No such thing as feel. It's sound. You will feel that blade on a cold morning with a mis hit though!
Your last two sentences are total contradictions 😂 ‘no such thing as feel’ ‘you will feel that blade’ 🤷♂️
@@TheAverageGolfer they are not. One is a center strike. You won’t feel that you hear it. The other is vibration from a miss hit. You will feel that. Golf digest a long time ago had golfers hit balls with ear muffs. They absolutely could not tell the difference between a balata and a top flite. It’s a good idea for you to do on your channel. I bet you won’t feel a difference on center strikes between blade and game improvements. Feel is sound.
How do you not feel the difference? Are your hands made of steel
My current gamer is the JPX 921 Tour and I'm actually looking at going the other way. I'm a decent player but I would like to have a bit more forgiveness if I'm honest.
Feel the opposite - thick topline and wide sole doesn’t give me confidence at all, feels like I will fat the shot every time. Almost like hitting driver off the deck. Thin topline and thin sole gives me confidence and I visualise hitting precisely ball first then divot after the ball
It’s an odd one because you bash the forged here but are usually quite complimentary about the P790s… if you hit them back to back P790 feels like you’ve hit the ball with a brick 🧱
I have stated in every review since the first launch that P790 have a clicky sound, a word I use in every video when testing those irons and I didn’t bash any club 🤷♂️
You made reference to your handicap. Curious........What is your handicap? I really enjoy your presentation of your content.
I don’t play in comps or submit cards, last club HCP was 9 👍
I'm not that good and i play mizuno tour 919's. I crush'em and they're rockets.. I like the lite weight and sleek smaller head.. I find it easier to strike and cut into the turf.. also easier to control and manipulate the head. I can't hit big forgiving irons at all..