FX3 vs FX6 vs FX9 Comparison. Who Reigns Supreme?
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0:00 INTRO
0:32 A7SIII Public Service Announcement
01:09 Initial Thoughts
03:00 COLOUR BALANCE/ MATCH
03:34 Instagram Contest
04:06 Timecode - The Biggest Issue
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06:54 Sensor & Low Light
09:30 Slow Motion
12:49 Conclusions
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Honestly one of the most unbiased and packed with knowledge cinema camera reviews I've ever saw, thank you very much. I'm a designer crossing over to content creation.
Mark, I have to say that you are, without a doubt, my favourite YT follow when it comes to cinematography/camera stuff. "Specs don't matter, what you're shooting matters." 100% bang on! This goes right in line with one of my other favourite quotes from you; "don't shoot to find stuff, find stuff to shoot". Keep up the great work!
Mark. I’m a massive fan. I’ve been doing video Production for companies for 6 years now, but it only became a passion in the last year. I’ve watched every video of yours (on this channel). I love your work and I learn everything I can from your videos.
Legit. Thank you.
It’s a truly brilliant camera!
It’s incredible how much of a package it is in such a compact form factor.
Powerful and reliable for professional video work, Sony really nailed it on this one!
Great review Mark, best one on TH-cam by far as usual. Your short film really shows how good the FX3 is, outstanding job!
Cheers
In November, I shot during one month a documentary for Vice News aboard a rescue boat that saves people in the Mediterranean Sea. I was the sole shooter and I used a7sIII 95% of the time. I also had a Canon 200 but I only used it for sit down interviews.
The a7sIII was really better than the c200 (for me at least) for this kind of run and gun situations (extreme low light, fast rubber boats with big waves, chaotic rescue situations...). The AF was even usable despite the Metabones and Canon glass.
That all said, I wish the a7sIII was more video oriented, and I am now therefore considering buying the FX3 for myself.
I like the design better and of course the included XLR module, although I can't explain why they did not make it detachable to give the option to use directly on the camera without the handle. Also, something you did not mention Mark, is that the FX3 has a mini jack input in case you want to strip down the camera to it's bare minimum. ( This mini jack, is strangely not available on the FX6 if I'm not wrong.... ) When I was on the speed rescue boat for example, I used the Seinnheiser MK-400 which could eventually be considered as "not professional".. (whatever that means) but hey, this was almost a war situation, with people in distress, drowning etc,... This hasn't hindered me to make a film that has now almost 900K views on the Vice News TH-cam channel.
Lack of ND's is indeed always drawback, but because of the harsh conditions aboard the ship, I valued more the form factor of the a7sIII and the image stabilisation over the commodity of the ND's on the c200. I became a master of adjusting the circular VND with the top of my finger while shooting and I ended up missing more waveforms or false color than internal ND's.
Ironically, much older and cheaper cameras like the GH5 or the more recent S5 have better ergonomics for video. Why no waveform / vectorscope displays nor shutter angle on the FX3?? Something already implemented on the GH4! It's so frustrating to see a 2021 camera marketed as "cine line" without these basic features that only depends from software… False color would also be super handy. Hopefully, it will come in a firmware upgrade.
Long story short, this camera is definitely not only about image quality but mainly about ergonomics. I love your channel and content, but just now, as potential FX3 buyer, I wish you had focused a bit on the usability of the camera as it's been quite clear for everyone that the image quality is basically equal to the a7sIII.
Would love to know more about your set up / rig with the SmallHD monitor attached to the top handle, as this is a definitely another differentiating point of this camera (lack of EVF, but handle included and build in mounting points.).
It looks really handy with the screen is centered / in line with the lens, and doesn't seem to hinder the use of the handle itself. Would be great to see how the camera feels when you shoot with it, with this form factor.. how you can quickly switch to slo mo compared to the -apparently awkward- experience of the FX9,… How do you compensate the absence of C1, c2 c3 buttons of the a7sIII.
Anyway... I thought I could share my experience here after a long and harsh shoot on a a7sIII and as potential buyer of the FX3. Because, yes, despite my feeling of being ripped off by Sony that did not include Waveform / True color / Shutter angle and 24p.. I still consider buying it over the a7siii... :)
Keep up the great content as always.
Thanks for the input!
@Superjeanmarc Great work on the vice piece man. I'm curious what you ended up going with? I shoot a lot of run and gun doc as well and I was looking at the fx3, a7siii or c70 since the fx6 is no where to be found haha
@LT - Video. Thank you much for your words! For some reason I only see this comment now… :/ Happy to have inspired you!
@@lukecatena7567 Thanks for your comment Luke. I ended up with the FX3, and I have to say that I do not regret it at all. It might seems like nothing but the video specific features of the body, like the second record button in the front, tally lights, and of course the XLR handle makes a huge difference. There is one accessory you HAVE to buy though which is the Smallrig handle extension ( MD3490 ) that improves infinitely the grip and functionally of the system, adding a NATO rail at the top where I attach my monitor. I personally wouldn't go for the C70, despite it being an excellent camera, because I'm not a fan of the current lens ecosystem of Canon that mixes EF and RF.. I hate adapters and find it just adds confusion when buying lenses. The E-mount lens choice is just amazing. Also, I bought the a7IV as still camera, that can also serve as b-cam for interviews. For me, the really big downside of the FX3 remains the lack of internal ND's.. And in that area, the variable progressive ND of the FX6 is unbeatable ... Maybe one day .. :) Hope it helps!
@@Superjeanmarc Thanks for the detailed response! Do you find yourself missing the EVF of the a7siii? I want to stay away from the A7IV because of everything I've heard from overheating problems. Also, do you have any more doc work online shot on the fx3? would love to check it out!
A Good Ol' Quality test, I love it! Thank you for putting all of this footage together. You're work is insanely good!
It's also worth mentioning that the FX9 can still shoot in s35 in 4K, so your lens choices are much more abundant than the FX6/3
This is the best review so far out there. Thank you!
Thanks for this comparison, Mark! Super helpful as always! Love your work.
Hey Mark. Thank you so much for this video I was already waiting for from you ;-)
Hope to see you in the new round of the Art of documentary.
Thank You Mark for your in-depth review. I was looking at either the FX-3 or the FX-6; however, since I shoot more video than stills (I need the SDI connection), the size, ND filters, and Timecode option, makes the FX-6 the camera I will purchase in the near future.😃
Thank you!!!! For pointing out the difference between the cine line and the DSLR line.
Always good as pale in the winter 😅 with valuable insight. Great effort Mark! 👍
Great video. Am considering an upgrade from the 6600 to either an Fx3 or an Fx6 and this is so helpful. Thanks man!
Exactly! The FX3 is an absolute beast of a camera for indie filmmakers.
XLR inputs, active cooling system, mounting points, top handle included, 10-bit internal and 16-bit RAW video output.
Much more suitable and reliable for professional video work than the a7S III that’s for sure.
Great review Mark, always a pleasure! 👌🏽
Greetings
Phillip Bloom has a very insightful (lengthy) video on this exact subject.
th-cam.com/video/MDGuqzVEWcY/w-d-xo.html
ur comedy bits and pieces are just the best :) haha love it..and offcourse thx for the review man :D
Thanks bro 👍👍👍
Great honest review Mark... thanks!!
Thanks Mark! Great review!
That was entertaining and educational and showed some nice craft. I appreciate the detailed info as I am still learning.
Hi Mark
Love your films… I use the FX3 with a tentacle sync box plugged into one of the 4 audio inputs which means ingesting files through the tentacle studio software but given the size advantages over other 10bit cameras I am loving it… VariND and black 1/8th promist rounds off my setup … I mostly shoot veritè so I pretty much use the G 24-105 F4 and sometimes a 35 50 or 85 prime for setup interviews etc….
Right and on point on every topic!
thank you for sharing! love our fx9+a7s3 combo.
Depends on what camera the LUT is based on. If the LUT was created from the Fx-9 then the fx-6 and fx-3 will look magenta as the fx-9 has a noticeable green tint to it’s original image out of the box. I suspect this is what has happened in this example. If you create the LUT from the image output of the fx-3 then the other two cameras would both look green with the fx-9 the worst.
It’s not just the color, the texture is different. The FX3 definitely looks much sharper
fully agree. but anyways loved the detailed comparison
@@kazlepek6552 the FX-9 has the best resolution of all these cameras even if they are all set to the same settings. The FX-9’s sensors resolution is almost twice that of the Fx-6 and if you weren’t looking at a compressed TH-cam version of this observation you could instantly tell which footage was shot on what camera just from the extra details in the FX-9 footage. FYI, I believe that in the latest firmware update for the Fx-9 some colour adjustments have been done to reduce the green mentioned in my original post.
Never have truer words been spoken than "Specs don't matter, what you're shooting matters." AMEN
I'm a New Culinary Filmmaker and this was very helpful can't wait to get our FX3. We appreciate you. Aloha
Mark! You are amazing knowledgeable and fun! Thank you!
The fact that the FX3 looked practically identical to the FX9 once you color graded and matched them up is crazy to me. This should go to show that “cheap” cameras aren’t much more different compared to the higher-end ones when you put them in the right hands.
If someone wants to solve the sharpness issue, you can simply slap on a diffusion filter and you’ve got a softer look similar to the FX9.
If I had the budget, I would get the FX6 just because it’s not too big and not too small and I like how “big budget” the body feels + ND filters. However, I have the FX3 and I LOVE this thing. This has an image quality way above its league and the size + features are just icing on the cake. It’s a cinematic, tiny masterpiece with really great photography capabilities that I use for professional, paid work.
You may not be able to see it on youtube, but the FX9 sensor definitely produces the best image ( I shoot on the FX6) - the FX6/3 sensor is very good, but the FX6 processing looks a tad better .. that accounts for the digital sharpening happening in the 3. It’s nuanced but the difference is there, and if you can’t tell the difference after working with all three and you don’t need the ND or form factor save some money by going with the FX3
thanks for video. in one word witch one should I buy FX3 or RED Komodo or Ursa 12k. for film making
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Great film Mark 👍🏻 since two weeks i have the fx6 and i am still testing & training with it 😉 best cinematic greetings from germany
This is the test I was looking for.
in this video i learned its the subtleties that makes the FX9's color beautiful.
Hey Mark, you footage is stunning. Great stuff. Do you think the Canon C70 can compete with these three Sony beasts?
Dude I love your video. Great review super entertaining.
just bought an fx3 and loving it. paired it up with the 24-105mm sony lens.
Venice and Venice2 has been getting a lot of love in the film world. My experience with it has been positive , studios love the color science of the Sony CineAlta line
Won't be getting any of these cameras more than likely anytime soon but enjoyed seeing all the comparisons! Eventually by the time I upgrade my a7iii, i'll either go with a7siii or maybe the fx3 if I see myself making more proper "cinema" films to use all the extra features.
For professional video work go all the way to the FX3 hands down!
Hi thanks for the great video. Have just found out the same results as you that FX3 squeezes more in black than FX6 with the same lut (why?). Tried to adjust the s-log 3 settings in FX3 where we adjust Black gamma to medium +4 then the curves on the two cameras look more similar. Has anyone else done such tests? And you say that FX3 and FX6 have the same sensor but I have heard that it is not true, and it’s seems strange when one lut behaves different… so what is it that is correct?
Nice video mate
I'm loving everything on this update, except for if you shoot in any of the log formats (flexible, cine ie, cine quick) you can't do 4k hdmi output, only 1080. So if you want to shoot in a quality higher than 4KAVC-I externally on a Ninja recorder, you have to disable log, and just choose slog 3 in the picture profiles.
It's becoming more evident to me that Sony positioned the FX9 as a broadcast workhorse with a bunch of features that I'll most likely never use like genlock and the ability to shoot interlaced. It's also the only of the three which can shoot s35. From the side-by-side comparisons (love those) it looks like saturation decreases left to right from the FX3 having the most to the FX9. I still think the FX9 looks the best 😊
The FX6 can shoot s35.
@@vincepeeters4455 Clear image zoom isn't the same thing.
@@benellis9866 I've been shooting on the FX6 for almost 2 months and the menu says 'scan mode' with 2 options, Full Frame or S35. I don't know what else that could mean. Switching to S35 makes you lose the option of shooting in 4K tho
@@benellis9866 The FX6 and FX3 most certainly do have an S35 shooting mode, but only for 1080p. I'm sure what you meant to say was that the FX9 was the only one that could record 4k in S35, which is true.
Did you do anything to minimize flickering from the fluorescent lights in the slowmo footage in the boxing video? Cause it looks so much better then when I’ve tried filming slowmo with my a7iii.
If the FX6 has the same sensor as the FX3, I assume the low light performance is the same? You didn't mention the FX6 at all in the low light performance section. Just wondering.
Do you think it would make a smart decision as an all-be-all content creation camera and gateway drug into the cinema camera system? I've got an a7 III and was waiting for the a7s III for so long... now this comes along and throws a spanner in the works...
Thanks for your thoughts! I'm looking to get a few for my church. Any suggestions on what would be the best option? I'm guessing the FX6?
@Mark Bone, is there a difference between the FX3's XAVC- S i and the FX6 XAVC-i?
Both seem to be 600Mbs
Have you tested RAW on either the FX3 or FX6 and compared the two?
Hey mark,
Is it possible to get the same look in the fx3 to the fx6 by just lowering the detail to -7 and saturation like -3?
yeah, but it's more so about if you're shooting s-cinetone on both and matching the gamma settings.
Mark could’ve been the extra sharpness of the FX3 related to the lens you use? Did you use the same lens on the three tests?
I have the FX6 and A7SIII I find the footage almost the same but I noticed in your FX9 that thr image has more blue in the mid tones. Again this could be only part of the grading.
You haven’t noticed the a7siii sharpens footage more than the fx6? I have heard this, I wish it were not true. Do you like the a7siii footage as much?
I'm pretty sure it's artificial detail/sharpness
@@nickdubesa8068 a7siii does more correction in camera like NR. The FX6 allows you to turn it off. Probably the a7siii applies more sharpening in camera. Both sensors are equal so the image capture should be the same before internal processing happens.
Buy a pro mist filter 👌🏼
@@GastonShutters thank you for the reply. I really prefer the natural look without sharpening and noise reduction. The fx3/ a7sIII look so good it doesn’t seem like a big deal though
In the intro i thought you are starting off Beat Boxing!
😂
Sony is always releasing hey. Anyways, I like the music videos you shoot. What do you think about the Blackmagic Pocket 6k? How is the Sony A7S 3 ... Dope or Nah?
Mark do you know or does anyone know if the Fx3 internal footage works well in Premiere Pro? I watched the whole video and at around 12 minutues you talk about the Fx3 video files needed to be transcoded. Any input on this would be great. Thank you. - Paul
loved the set Gahdaamn
Hey man, great video. What lenses are you shooting on to get some of these shots? And what shooting codec are you using? Mainly asking about the fx6.
I feel like a kid entering a candy shop! form the 3 images at the beginning I prefer the fx9 one! Amazing camera. My favourite tough is the fx6, the more time passes the more I love it even though I just got the bmpcc 6k pro cause I couldn't afford the fx6, but they, one day in the new future! Thanks Mark and I will definitely check your IG thing! Cheers
Really enjoy ur channel. Do all of them have low pass filter or just 6 and 9?
Hi Mark, could you explain how to properly use the CINE EI mode of Sony cinema cameras?
Tks
Hello Mark, Nowadays every camera can shoot good images now with these Sonys there is no question. How about the CODECS among these three cameras? Are they the same or any of it is easy on editing or all the same? I went for Z-cam for its prores and it is good and now its time to get sony again so looking for easy to edit codec. Any suggestion or feedback on your experience?
@11:20 Just a little FYI. Sony`s image stabilization will not work when you are using a lens with stabilization. You have to turn the IS on the lens off for it to work... At least thats how it is with the FX9.
This makes my choice no easier! 😭 BMD vs. Canon vs. Sony.....
luv your luts mark. hey maybe you can update your lut for it to work with fx3 and a7siii. tweaked down the saturation or shifting the colours a little bit
Using your own LUT adds a variable to this that kinda defeats the purpose of the initial comparison. If ANYTHING, not including the initial conversion to a normal gamma curve and colour space, is being adjusted on a curve than anything that is different from the camera you designed the LUT for will then be pushed even farther away from the "baseline". The best way to compare is shooting SLog-3 in all of them and using a colour space transform in Resolve, ACES, or the official LUTs from Sony.
Your name matches this comment well
Can the FX3 sync to a timecode generator plugged into the 3.5mm connector?
The fx3 has detail shapening applied which cannot be turned off, that's why it looks sharper.
RAW dogg it and it goes away
Hi Mark what shotgun mic are you using with the FX3? Thanks
Would anyone have any comment on a collection of the fx6 as your main cam and And A7SIII and FX3 as your two b CAMS? Thoughts?
Really appreciate these vids.. but man.. that light flickering at 10:08 is super distracting. I know there are a number of ways to remove it. Wondering why u didn’t try and remove?
I am looking at the Alpha 7S III BUT neither the FX3 / Alpha 7S III are Netflix accepted. Where do I port my completed (low budget) films? I love filmmaking but I need to make money to buy more, more gear.
When you mentioned Lens stabilization with gyro meta data stabilization at 11:25 from my understanding you can’t use both. It’s one of the other. I at least know this is true on the FX9 paired with the Sony 28-135. But, I’m not sure if it’s true for the FX3 and FX6. I would assume it’s the same.
That's correct. None of the cameras cause shooting with optical stabilization and also then have the gyro data used later.
I can't wait till I can get my first cinema camera
I see this video is older but I used it in deciding between fx3 and fx6 I went with 3 just for cost and other reasons. My question though is you say fx3 doesn’t have time code but as I was going through my menu I saw options for it. Is this updated or is it different then timecode on fx6
You can add timecode with the Ninja V + Connect or SDI module.
7:23 “Cinnamon line” 😂
8:40. Hey Mark, quick question: Are you sure? A7S III and FX3 are the same camera with same sensor, with same low-light and ISO Performance. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thank you!
Hey Mark, thanks for the video. But apparently the Sony Catalyst program recommends you shoot with a shutter speed of at least 1/125th 1/250th to use the stabilization which is kind of a bummer if you shoot 24fps... Have you noticed the same thing? Apparently it does not work well if not. Can you comment? Thanks!!
Also, I had trouble exporting 10 bit 4:2:2 stabilised footage from Catalyst and using it in Premiere Pro. Premiere Pro only liked 10 bit 4:2:0 export from Catalyst, for me. 🤔
Looks like literally you brought the FX6 and FX9 up to the FX3. So the FX3 could be less work in Post?
Mark why does your face look longer on the FX3 and Fx6? VS FX9? Did you use different lenses and distances? Does anyone else noticed that?
For a more baseline test, why didn't you just use the slog3 to rec.709 lut in DaVinci Resolve or downloaded that lut from Sony?🤔
4:30 Time Code was added to the FX3 in firmware update 2.00 a year ago 😅 now I guess it doesn't matter to get the others 😅
I would've thought shooting in s-cinetone with all 3 would have been an easier test for you to show differences in image quality.
I concur! would have been a good test
Bro
Which is new camera
Fx3 or fx 6 or fx 9
And
We can use both still and video..
Please gave clarity
Hey Mark. Ive got the FX3, and Ive had trouble using the top handle with a ninja v. What is that ballhead piece you're using?
Ultra light arm
The FX9 was slightly more punched in on those side by side comparisons, too
if, as all the influencers claim, the fx3 is just an a7siii in disguise then why are they so adamant that i should stick with the a7s3 if i still take stills (insert italics here)?
price? viewfinder? why isn't anyone elaborating here?
(if I recall well) Patato Jet said using lens stabilization exclude recording gyro data. Can someone clarify please
for film making what's your suggestion
FX3. RED KOMODO. URSA 12K. THANKS FOR VIDEO
question, so it looks like right now the FX6 is about $6,000. can you tell me about the estimate cost of the other needed gear - mics, mounts, lenses that one would need to buy in addition to operate this camera? not the extra things, but just the other things that is necessary. would it be an additional $3K - $5K? Thanks
FX9 has much more Teal in the background... seems there is a color balance shift, white balance obviously wasn‘t the same, although you dialed in the same numbers.
The FX3 isn't the obvious choice over the A7SIII if you're a filmmaker. That's a bit lazy of you to say that. With the A7SIII, you can buy the K3M module and have the same audio as the FX3. A7SIII has a viewfinder and some Filmmakers use it. It's a great way to get stable shots as well i.e. putting the camera up to your face. FX3 has tally lights, that might be significant if you're in front of the camera. The holes in the body of the FX3 is no substitute for a cage, which gives you far more versatility. In summary, it depends on what features you value more as a filmmaker and offcourse there's price.
So… If I was ever on the fence, you moved the needle. The FX3 is for me. At least until I can afford the FX6. The n that will take over as my A-Camera.
Just discovered your channel… Never saw you before… You pushed me over to buying the FX3… I’d still rather have the Komodo X… But that’s above my price range. What cage and what monitor would you recommend for the FX 3.
And I like how you get right to the point… We don’t have to watch you get coffee and we don’t have to listen to rock music in the background. Thanks
FX3 with internal ND + Prores = perfect camera
I use timecode with the fx3. You have to change a USB setting. as long as you don't power the camera down it will keep it.
I will say you can use time code if you’re syncing it using trans/receivers I’ve used the dietys to sync it with time code.
Yo Mark, correct me if Im wrong. But the lut you are using wasnt that "developed" on the base of the FX 9? It would be nice to see the comparison with no lut, but the same basic edit.
If that's the case than the initial comparison is completely useless. If anything in his LUT is adjusting based on a curve than the things that are different on the FX3 and FX6 get exponentially farther from the FX9's image.
where can I find the lots you used on yourself for the comparison test?
pleas put up a link with your fx3 camera settings for Download. I'll go rent one to try it out
please if you have to give an ideal short answer what would it be ?!
which is best for filmmaking and documentaries fx6 or fx9 ?
Fx6
So what did you go to for memory card. Im a little confused.
I do not know how sony doing it. But I watch some video. The A1 has better shadow noise than a7sIII and the high ISO is just equally good as a7sIII.
By the way, can you lower the sharpness or detail in the FX3 so it will match the FX6 better??
Great vide, have watched of a number of them now. Question for Mark, or anyone with thoughts. As a one man band who needs two cameras. Can I work with FX6 as main and FX3 as my bcam on most projects. FX6 would be 80% tripod and and fx3 handheld. I use tentacle sync on my other cameras now to sync two cameras and my field recorder now. Would love to hear feedback on this as well as what else I haven't thought of?
Yeah that would be a solid combo. Exact same sensor so they would match easily and they use the same media. The tentacle will solve your timecode issues with fx3 not having jam sync
@@markbone Great work. Also can I combine A7S iii and Fx 6? Which should be an A camera and which should be B cam?
Or should Sony 300 Markii be A cam and A7s iii be a B cam? Please advice an amazing combination for me.
Any help much appreciated.
Would the FX6 be a suitable for sports.
I live in Australia and I’m looking at a camera to film amateur Aussie Rules. It’s played on a massive field and at a fast pace Dom I’m thinking something with real good AF and the ability to be able to zoom in considerably.
I’m only starting out but happier to spend a few extra dollars on something I’ll be happy with for many years over looking for an upgrade in only a season or two.
Would love at some point to incorporate fixed cameras (perhaps like a GoPro) to cut in different shots in an edit.
Like I said any help will be much appreciated.
Absolutely the fx6 would be amazing for that