just got a package with a FX3, GM 70 - 200 2.8, Sigma 24-70 2.8, 3 Tough 160 CF, Rode wireless mini- mic set up with Lavs, Two 1tb SSD's, XLR Handle, Sony Mic, 4 Sony batteries, Cage, and a camera bag for $4500. Stoked to see this Vid!
How much should I be planning to pay for a new Sony FX three? Also, which lens would you recommend for an all-around cinematic? I’m shooting cars, car, commercials, exotic muscle cars and I need low light, loving and dynamic range cameras for This and lens.
Hey, great video! Some great observations here. I just had one little thing that struck me while watching it that I wanted to mention in case anyone was confused. At 8:55 you mention that FX30 and other crop sensor camera users are "limited to APS-C lenses of which there's a much worse selection. Only 57 compared to the 142 full frame lenses or you'll have to deal with the 1.5x crop factor." I'm not sure if you just got a bit confused during your explanation or you misunderstand how crop factor works, but here it goes... Both full frame and APS-C lenses will look the same on an APS-C (or other "cropped") sensor camera assuming everything else is equal (aperture, focal length, distance from the subject, etc.). They will have the same field of view and the same depth of field on that same camera. The crop in terms of field of view will always occur when compared with a full frame sensor regardless of which type of lens you choose. For example, a 50mm lens of any sort will show the same field of view on a given camera as any other 50mm with any size image circle provided that both lenses have large enough image circles to cover the sensor. Full frame lenses cover an APS-C sensor so they don't experience any additional "crop" when compared with an APS-C lens of the same focal length. In fact, the whole reason why larger sensor sizes allow for more control over depth of field than smaller ones is that you use a longer lens to achieve the same field of view on a full frame and longer lenses mean a shallower depth of field (one of the three main factors along with aperture and focal distance). Since a 75mm lens on a full frame camera will show the same field of view as a 50mm on a 1.5x crop factor camera your depth of field will be more shallow with the same focal distance (distance from the subject) and aperture. This means that to match depth of field you must shoot at a more open aperture on the 1.5x crop camera. People sometimes get this confused and believe that larger sensors produce an inherently shallower depth of field. It's the longer lens at a given field of view which actually produces this result. Anyway, the real difference in terms of lens selection is that if you put a "cropped" lens on a full frame camera it will have a port-holing effect where you can see the edges of the cropped sensor lens' image circle. There are reasons to choose an APS-C lens over a full frame lens for an APS-C camera. They are often cheaper and lighter, for example. And some good ones (the Sigma Art 18-25mm f/1.8 DC HSM zoom is a good example) are just straight up not available in full frame versions. If anything choosing a full frame camera means that you lose access to APS-C lenses because they don't have image circles large enough to cover your larger sensor. Choosing an FX30 means you gain access to those lenses. Just the nature of having a smaller sensor that is covered by a larger range of lens image circles.
I bought my fx30 in 2022 and got fx3 just this month. Both are fantastic cameras. I love my fx30 for its crop when shooting sports. I love my fx3 for low lights. I intentionally did not buy APSC lens because I knew I would buy a FF later on and it worked out great.
Man, I had the FX3 when it first came out, Had to sell in the pandemic unfortunately and got an A7IV which I actually love but it over heats like crazy, Since a year I have been back to doing 99% video and contemplating getting the FX30 or Fx3 if I can scrape the funds together.. Not sure if I can get by with the FX30 which is way cheaper and wait until the FX3II which might come out really "soon". One of my concerns also is with my A7IV I shoot 16:9 and have no problems cropping to vertical and it is really good quality and sharp but it is a downsampled 6K sensor. Would the FX3 have the same quality since it is only a 4.6K sensor? I never got a chance to use 16:9 and crop to vertical when I had it. Apparently the FX30 is also from a 6-7K sensor and I am wondering if it is going to crop better for that purpose..? I also do not shoot much super low light. Any suggestions from any professionals that may have a user experience with this? Thanks!!
I don’t think it sucks for photos at all. In a pinch it gets the job done and does a phenomenal job at getting amazing images even in its current form factor. Out of convenance if I need to shoot both video and photos I just bring the FX3 and it does both well.
I just purchased the FX3. It’s going to be a great option for years to come. As someone who has used the a7iv for video for a while. This is a great option for me.
@@zayrobbs It's pretty incredible how much better the quality is. I'm still somewhat fumbling around to get my settings customized to my liking. One thing I am glad of is not having to worry about over heating.
@@rokkstar8129 I already had the Sigma 24-70 and purchased the Sony 16-25/F2.8 G Lens. I plan on purchasing the 70-200 next and possibly the Sony 16-55/F2.8 G lens.
Thanks for the interesting video! I have the feeling that we have plateaued a little when it comes to camera tech, which is a luxury problem. And where it does develop, it is tech that the far majority of users does not need, but where camera companies try really hard to convince us we do. Does the average video shooter need a global sensor, 4K240, 8K60 or 8K120 fps? We don't see any real progress in dynamic range for the past years, which tops out at 15-16 stops for full frame, and 16 bit colour. Raw video is there, but only used by a handful as the file sizes are prohibitively large. We mainly see processor upgrades, but what do most people need beyond sticky autofocus on a stationary or gently moving subject? For those who need superfast, there are specialised cameras (A9III, A1 etc.) I think the A7S3 and FX3 mark the beginning of where the tech currently plateaus, where cameras got really great, and they will be good cameras at least for another 5 years. I don't see 8K taking over anytime soon, especially considering that 95% of all TH-cam videos is watched in HD or lower resolutions, and not even 4K. People like to say these days a product is 'long in the tooth', but that is a judgement of age and not performance. And the performance of all these cameras is absolutely still there, even 3 to 4 years later!
Very well rounded and practical comment, appreciate it! 1) Could you throw some light on APSC vs Full-Frame? In which scenario should one consider APSC over a FF and vice-versa? I mainly shoot videos - travel videos, time lapses, product unboxing, or cooking videos indoors. 2) I've waited too long for the Canon R5 II, Sony A7 SIV or a FX3 II and can't wait any more. I've shortlisted Sony ZVE1, Sony A6700, Sony FX3, Canon R5 and Canon R6 II. I love the Sony's Auto Focus but my eyes love the Canon Colors. I love the Canon's Body (Ergonomics) and Menu system but don't know how good or bad is the Auto Focus compared to Sony. How good or bad is Canon's low light performance over the Sony models I've shortlisted? Long lasting battery when shooting 4K is important to me too.
@@TravAlligator 1) There are 2 main differentiators between Full-frame (FF) and APS-C, low light capabilities and lenses. In FF, if you take the Sony A7Siii and FX3, they have excellent performance in low light, due to their high second native ISO of 12,800 if you were to chose those specific cameras. That is not a major difference though, and that difference can be somewhat negated by fact that some sensors are capable of shooting higher resolutions, and sample this down to 4K. This creates additional sharpness, and reduces some of the pixellation/grain caused by high ISO’s. So for a dedicated lowlight camera like an A7Siii and FX3, there is a real difference in low light, but between a FF Sony A7iv and an APS-C FX30 or A6700 which all shoot oversampled 4K that difference is really small. Secondly, many of the dedicated APS-C are much smaller, while there are now options available that certainly give you a nice shallow depth of field. Think of the Viltrox 75mm f1.2 the Sigma 56mm 1.4, which are really excellent APS-C lenses. All day in a backpack, that will certainly make a difference. Do realise that the far majority of R&D of camera companies is with FF and that most products brought out are intended for FF. So FF is where the main future growth is. 2) With respect to your second question. Personally, I find R-mount problematic. The lens choice is limited, and the lenses are really expensive. The Canon R5 is an excellent photo camera, but despite its firmware updates still overheat, and still has a 30 minute recording limit. I would consider this camera unsuitable for your purpose. The Canon R6 II is a much more compelling option, but still with a limited choice of very pricy lenses (not seldom more expensive than the body). Between the ZVE1, A6700 and FX3, my first question would be whether you like to shoot with a viewfinder. If the answer is “yes”, the A7Siii has by far the best viewfinder with 9.4 million dots. A6700 is the best hybrid camera. It has the same sensor as the FX30, and shoots great video, but would also be good at taking photos with the EVF. The ZVE1 is a more consumer level camera with an EVF, with a very good sensor that is also used in the A7Siii and the FX3. The body is a bit plastic, it has a single card slot, but it has really nice vlogging features if that is what you are into. This camera will be great in low light, but the 12 megapixel sensor is low resolution for photos (the photos will look great though). In warm weather and during long recording, this camera may overheat. So it’s intended for shorter video clips, like under 30 minutes. The FX3 is an entirely different beast and twice the price. That is a prosumer video camera, with the audio top handle, and a fan, built for all day use. It’s a workhorse camera. If you want to shoot video all day, this the camera to choose. The A7Siii and FX3 set the standard for good AF, and the A6700 and ZVE1 have picked up with that. Be careful that the A7Siii and FX3 do not have Eye-AF for animals in video, which the A7iv and the A6700 do have. So if that’s important to you, chose those. Battery life is not that much of a consideration. Most Sony cameras do about 2 hours on a single charge, but the FX3 and FX30 are certainly a bit more power hungry than the other cameras. To sum up; If you need an EVF: choose the Sony A7iv, A7Siii, A6700 or the Canon R6 II (or (not) the R5). If you shoot a lot of low light; Sony A7Siii, FX3, or ZVE1 If you want to shoot photos next to video; Sony A7iv or A6700 or Canon R6 II If you want unlimited record times and a body to match that; Sony FX3, FX30 and A7Siii For your application, I would actually recommend you the Sony A7iv, with the new Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 Mark II (or Sony 20-70mm f4) lens, and then add a fast prime of your choosing later for lower light shooting. Has an EVF. Gives you great 33 megapixel photos. Is fairly lightweight. Shoots oversampled 4K30, with great sharpness in the images. Low light performance is decent because of the oversampling. Huge lens selection in all price categories. Has the nice connectivity with the mic in the hotshoe (Multi Interface Shoe) Only downside is the 1.5x crop when you shoot 4K60, but then gives same sharpness as FX3 and A7Siii which is still a great image. Furthermore the sensor is a little slower, so for fast action you may see a little bit of rolling shutter. This is not an issue though for static shots, which likely are the main shots in travel videos. For the A6700 the same considerations apply, but body is smaller (a benefit) but less nice in the hand (a bit of a brick). The Sony A7iv is the most versatile camera, and the FF lenses you will buy hold their value well and can be used on other future Sony bodies you may desire. Buying APS-C lenses are less good of an investment, as not all can be used well on FF bodies (the mount is the same, but the image may not cover the full sensor). Hope this helps and please don't bite me if it doesn't 🐊😊
@@Edwin-- First of all I want to thank you so much for an elaborate response. I learnt a lot from it :-) To answer a few of your questions - My use case is mainly videos about 90% of the times. Rarely do I take pictures or print them so an EVF or high megapixel is not important to me but if it comes as a bonus like the (Sony A6700) I don't mind. I do travel to remote places sometimes and so battery life is important for me. I do carry additional batteries on my current point-and-shoot. So I'm guessing I'll have to do the same no matter if I buy a Sony or a Canon. You see I currently have a Canon G7X II amazing point and shoot. But I badly need a 4K capable camera now for my upcoming travel in the next two weeks. Generally people move to an APSC like the Sony A6700 and then upgrade to a FF later. I could do the same but on second thoughts I'm of the opinion now that why not go for the FF directly since I can afford to buy it. It will save me money later trying to move from APSC body to a FF. Do you agree? I had high hopes from the Canon R5 but if it still over heating and shutting down when shooting a 4K then that's a deal breaker for me. Thanks for raising this flag! And that's another reason I was eagerly waiting for the Canon R5 Mark II since last year but there is no concrete launch date for it yet.
Your point about Canon lenses being limited and expensive is correct. But let's say if I buy just 2 lenses like a 24-105mm f/4L and a 50mm f/1.8 will it be sufficient to cover all scenarios that I'm working in? I love Canon's color science, weather sealing, menu system and ergonomics (Sony's tiny body doesn't grip well in my hands). How is the Canon R6 II in terms of 4K videos, in body stabilization, auto-focus and low light performance vs A6700 or an FX3? If Sony had launched an Sony A7S IV or a Sony FX3 II, I would have immediately bought it. The reason I'm skepticle to buy an A7SIII or an FX3 today is because they lack all the goodness of an AI chip which the ZV-E1 or an A6700 have today. This happened to me with the DJI Drone, I bought the DJI Mini 3 Pro and after 2 months they launched the Mini 4 Pro and although Mini 3 Pro is great, I missed the side obstacle avoidance sensors that Mini 4 Pro has. In this scenario sometimes I think of buying the FF ZVE1 for now and start my FF journey. And later whenever FX3 II launches I can sell the ZVE1 body and swtich to FX3 while reusing the FF lenses So to summarize Option 1) FF: Get a Canon R6 Mark II body + 24-105mm f/4L and a 50mm f/1.8 and be done. Option 2) FF: Get a Sony ZVE1 Body (+ a couple of G Master lenses) and later move to a FX3 II Body. Option 3) FF: Buy a Sony A7CII + a couple of G Master lenses and be done. Option 4) Rent or Buy a Sony RX100 VII for my upcoming travel and wait for either Canon R5 Mark II or a Sony FX3 II to launch. Dilemma Dilemma Dilemma! :D
@@TravAlligator You’re welcome. In your messages, I still see a lot of different camera models come by, which vary greatly in handling and price. Perhaps it is worthwhile to visit a store and have a look at the actual cameras, because the handling really matters. Perhaps also set yourself a bit of a budget on what you like to spend for the body and lenses combined. The models and lenses you state vary from a USD 3,000 to USD 9,000 investment, and at every price tier I think may have different expectations. You could also rent one, and see whether you like the camera before making the investment. If you have a Canon G7X II now, any of the suggested cameras will give you a substantial step up from a 1” sensor, at the price of being less pocketable. Most R&D is in full-frame, and there are the most developments, and the lenses hold their value best, so full-frame is in my opinion the best investment longterm. But it would be wrong to dismiss APS-C for its image quality, it’s great, and the lenses are certainly smaller which is an important factor for some. You cannot shoot on what might come out in the future. So I chose cameras on the specs that are available now, and the specs I think I may need in the next years. Shooting up to 4K60p is for most application more than sufficient, and for the top tier bump to 4K120 with full image quality you pay a significant premium in most cameras. Petapixel made a comparison video between the Canon R6 II and the Sony A7iv (and thus A7Cii as well). Suggest to have a look at that one, they do a better job comparing than I ever could in a message. The Sony ZVE1 is a camera that didn’t really win my heart. I think it is intended for people who want to purchase a serious camera, but not take the time to learn how to handle a camera. That to me is typically a camera you’re happy with in the first weeks, and then grow over a bit. I don’t like the small plastic body either, the others are much more solid. I know that quite a few TH-camrs like this camera, but it’s not for me. You can’t beat the price to performance though, as it’s basically the A7Siii-internals at 2/3 of the price. With respect to your options; 1) Besides my comment regarding RF-mount in general, I think the Canon R6 II and the 2 lenses suggested are a really solid and future-proof choice you will get great results with. Very good choice for your application, with a good price to performance ratio. 2) The ZVE1 has on paper higher video specs than the Canon R6 II, but is a very different camera in the hand, and if you like larger bodies you will like the Canon R6 II way more. Of course if you invest in E-mount lenses, you could always switch bodies later, but you can better on focus on what you would enjoy now and in the next few years (and not a fictive camera of the future, as there will always be a next one) 3) The A7CII is small but more solid body than the ZVE1. In specifications, it’s basically an A7iv. Personally I prefer the A7iv, it’s a bit better balanced with the full frame lenses (as the Canon R6 II would be), but many like the A7Cii for it’s smaller size. I like shooting with an EVF, so that’s a factor for me on these type of bodies. 4) I think the Sony RX100 VII does not give you the step up in quality you are looking for, and phone cameras are getting closer to this quality level. So renting one for a holiday could be an option, but I think purchasing one would not be a right choice, if at the same time you’re looking at the much higher end options. It’s a great pocket camera though, but incomparable to the other options in performance and handling.
@@Edwin-- Another great and detailed response. You are right, I have shortlisted a wide variety and need to bucket them based on the total price I'm willing to spend. Thanks for that approach. I'll also take a look at the comparison videos you have suggested and it will help me narrow down further. Your point about not buying the RX100 VII for an insignificant visual experience is accurate, and I respect that. Thank you so much for all the inputs it's very rare that I come across experts like yourself. Once I arrive at a decision I will let you know soon. Until then see you later Alligator 🐊😁
Can you explain why you say that the FX30 is limited to APS-C lenses? I understand that it's an APS-C sensor, but you should be able to use FF lenses on it just fine, it's the other way around that doesn't work, at least not without having to crop in
The FX30 works well with both APS-C and fullframe lenses, but for fullframe lenses the focal length has to be multiplied by 1.5, and the depth of field equals the aperture times 1.5. But if you use fast lenses, like the Viltrox 27mm and 75mm f1.2, you get the equivalent of a 40mm or 110mm f1.8, and you absolutely can get shallow depth of field. I think the main limitations are with really wide angle lenses, which give more distortion, and the sensor performs a little less good in very low light. But for half the price of an FX3 or A7S3, the FX30 is an absolutely stellar camera.
@@Edwin-- The crop doesn't work that way. A 50mm APS-C lens will have a crop of 1.5x on any APS-C sensor (when compared to a full frame sensor), same as a full frame 50mm lens. Lenses are labelled APS-C or FF because of the size of the image circle they can cover.
9:06 what are you talking about here? The sensor is smaller and that doesn’t affect your lenses at all! You just have to do a little bit of math to find the FF equivalent focal length when using APSC sensor. The way you’re framing it making it look like your lenses are being downgraded or something bad happening to your lenses! Man take a deep breath and stop the FF BS talking point. All Cinema camera no matter which one you’ll pick from any brand RED, Arri, Sony, … are for some aspect ratio cropping in the sensor. Even your 16:9 or 17:9 aspect ratio on your FX3 is cropping in the sensor! If you want full sensor readout you then need open gate which seems to be only available on the Venice from Sony side. Real filmmakers have been using crop factor to their advantages for ages doing a little bit of math instead of seeing it as a limitation.
How do you shoot? Are you in S-log3 full time, or S-Cinetone, or does it just depend on the project? What LUTs do you grade with? I've heard good things about the Phantom LUTs!
I bought the ZV-E1 and I love it for photos, but it overheats CONSTANTLY. Try getting through a 30 min zoom with it in 4k as you webcam or even just shooting video for longer periods- GOOOD LUCK. Ended up buying the FX3 anyway.
Finally got one, had to go new cause everyone wanted almost new pricing for used. One thing I noticed you said Dual base ISO 640/12800. It is 800/12800 if I am not mistaken. Thanks for the video, it was part of my decision on getting one in 2024.
Great video! How would you recommend shooting long outdoor fitness videos on the fx3 when there is no one behind the camera? Would you shoot in LOG (which might require a lot of work in post) or would you suggest an automatic setting. Thanks so much!
Great Video! I'm currently using the GH5 and looking to upgrade to a new full-frame camera. I'm torn between the S5iix and the FX3. Do you think the extra cost for the FX3 is worth it? I’ve watched several footage videos from both cameras on TH-cam, especially in the music video genre, and I find Sony’s look much more modern and cinematic.
It is the GTX1080ti of cameras. Built way too well and with enough longevity to seriously impact long term profit for Sony because people buy the and keep them much longer than expected. The FX3 will still be in many hands a decade from now, I expect. I also suspect the next lineup of FX bodies will not be as well rounded or long-term useful.
Man, I had the FX3 when it first came out, Had to sell in the pandemic unfortunately and got an A7IV which I actually love but it over heats like crazy, Since a year I have been back to doing 99% video and contemplating getting the FX30 or Fx3 if I can scrape the funds together.. Not sure if I can get by with the FX30 which is way cheaper and wait until the FX3II which might come out really "soon". One of my concerns also is with my A7IV I shoot 16:9 and have no problems cropping to vertical and it is really good quality and sharp but it is a downsampled 6K sensor. Would the FX3 have the same quality since it is only a 4.6K sensor? I never got a chance to use 16:9 and crop to vertical when I had it. Apparently the FX30 is also from a 6-7K sensor and I am wondering if it is going to crop better for that purpose..? I also do not shoot much super low light. Any suggestions from any professionals that may have a user experience with this? Thanks!!
My ZV-E1 is new and I am getting iver heat warnings within 20 minutes or recording at 24 frames recording despite the battery door open, despite the flippy screen open, despite having it in airplane mode, despite the site doors open. The only power hungry thing I do is use an HDMI connected camera monitor. Is my camera a dud and nees to be exchanged? Or is it that I an using a Neewer NPF plate with a dummy battery with both camera and monitor connected
@@kylemeshna oh course, My Fujifilm X-S20 and my older Sony ZV-1 would have all overheated if I didn't so it's what I expect to do. My room temp was around 28c though. I decided I am returning this tonight for the A7C II
I prefer the FX3, but I also use the A1 as my primary camera for photos. the FX3's photos are effectively the same, but it's not the best form factor and user experience, so if you're a hybrid shooter and this will be your only camera, I might consider the A7SIII. The FX3 is much better suited for pure video shooting due to the ergonomics and "rig-ability". So it just depends on what you need more!
@@kylemeshna Thanks for the response, that will help me a lot 🙏🏼 Probably gonna go for the A7Siii then as it would be my main (and only) camera with me shooting hybrid most of the time :)
To me there are 2 real differences; 1) the A7SIII has an awesome viewfinder, which the FX3 does not have. 2) The FX3 is equipped with a fan and is unlikely to overheat in warm climates. The A7SIII doesn't overheat easily either, but will in warm climates when used in the open sun. Whether that is relevant to you, depends on where you live. The FX3 is a bit more workhorse, but the A7S3 no slouch. The button layout of the FX3 is better suited for video, e.g. the zoom rocker for powerzoom lenses. But the buttons on the A7S3 can be customised such that it will work very smoothly too. The rigging is not a big argument for me, neither is the audio handle. Sure, the FX3 has the buit-in cage, but there are plenty of half and full cages available for the A7S3 which you can make work. And the audio handle can also be used on the A7S3 if purchased separately, Smallrig makes an adapter plate which allows you to mount the handle on their cage (SmallRig part 4019). So if you prefer a camera with a viewfinder and the audio handle, that is possible too. Both cameras will give you great results, as the sensor performance and codecs are mainly identical
@@Edwin-- thank you for the detailed response 🙏🏼 I‘ll likely go with the A7S3 as a better fit for hybrid shooting. While my focus is on videos, I think it suits the purpose better than the FX3 😄
@@gamebreakerfnI think it is a good choice. And if you value a viewfinder, there is no better one than on the A7S3, it's truly great. I personally like to use it with a half cage (Smallrig 3639), which allows for full access to the camera's controls, has a Arca Swiss bottom so you can fit it directly on a tripod / gimbal, while allowing you to add a monitor, mic, and extra handle whenever you like. Best of both worlds; clean compact camera, or rigged out in under a minute.
Rumblings on the reliable Sony rumor site suggests we will see an FX9 category announcement, possibly as soon as mid-August (2024), with no other FX announcements looming, so the FX3 will probably be with us for a while yet. And yes if you cherry pick features then the FX3 can be made to look like it has fallen behind. But unless you desperately need 6k or 8k for post production cropping and complex image manipulation (or 12k for VFX plates), then it’s still hard to beat the complete package when compared with most hybrids. I toyed around with a Z6III for a few weeks but the DR is not great and shadow recovery even from RAW is inferior to the FX3 sensor, not to mention the 8.3 file naming limit and the lack of slating info, no tally lights, fewer custom buttons to work with, no dual-slot recording, no balanced audio option, no hardwired timecode option, no power zoom options, etc. The FX3 is a pocket sized entry level full frame cine camera that should not be taken lightly even this far into its product cycle.
I was thinking the same thing - astonishing that a camera like this wouldn't have, given it's intended use. I looked it up though, and apparently it now does, via a firmware update.
@@24_f_p_s apparently the firmware update has wrecked a fair few cameras though. I think there's maybe an updated update, but I'd perhaps be wary, given what the first one did.
Hlo bro, How do you compare image quality of fx 3 and fx30? I am a fx30 owner and never used fx 3, how bad is fx30 compared to fx3 in your terms. Please share thoughts
I work on both footage before. FX30 is not bad it's just much more grainier require u to expose properly. Fx3 is a cheat code when comes to exposing ur image. But fx3 is a old camera missing feature like variable shutter which FX30 has.
@@iDealMedley thank you bro for replying. What do you think is the proper way to expose the image in fx30 as opposed to fx 3. Also bro someone wants to trade their zv-e1 with my fx30, I am on a cusp to make a decision. Less reliable with better image quality vs super reliable with less superior quality. Please share thoughts
A full frame camera will (typically) always maintain a lead when it comes to noise. You can apply the crop factor to work out that essentially that difference is about 1stop (compared to APS-C) If you shoot in studio or have lights, simply keep your ISO at it's native and adjust your lights instead. The image will be just as clean. The FoV and DoF will look different though, but people are way to overly invested in trying to make their crop sensor cams look like full frame came. Focus on lighting, staging camera movement.
@@raman139 in good lighting condition and also if you have fast lenses(f1. 2- 1.4) FX30 works too. Fx30 image quality is good don't think otherwise. But it's way easier to shoot with the fx3 sensor in unpredictable lighting situations but in a controlled environment FX30 performs as good Is there a specific feature that makes u leaning on one over another??
@@iDealMedley Man, I had the FX3 when it first came out, Had to sell in the pandemic unfortunately and got an A7IV which I actually love but it over heats like crazy, Since a year I have been back to doing 99% video and contemplating getting the FX30 or Fx3 if I can scrape the funds together.. Not sure if I can get by with the FX30 which is way cheaper and wait until the FX3II which might come out really "soon". One of my concerns also is with my A7IV I shoot 16:9 and have no problems cropping to vertical and it is really good quality and sharp but it is a downsampled 6K sensor. Would the FX3 have the same quality since it is only a 4.6K sensor? I never got a chance to use 16:9 and crop to vertical when I had it. Apparently the FX30 is also from a 6-7K sensor and I am wondering if it is going to crop better for that purpose..? I also do not shoot much super low light. Any suggestions from any professionals that may have a user experience with this? Thanks!!
I hear people getting good deals on threads on uses ones but don't see it, a friend of a friend is selling an a7siii for 2k that im thinking about buying , but I really want an fx3 !!!
I definitely think the FX3 is worth it in 2024. Like so many other cameras on the market, the FX3 is a tremendous piece of tech and you can pretty much cut between any of these cameras and fool even the trained eye. I feel like a slew of amazing cameras got released since 2020 and camera tech has almost plateaued. It really just comes down to personal preferences and use cases. It will only diminish in relevancy when 4k ceases to be the standard which might be 4-6 years.
I think the new FX cam thats rumored to come this year is likely an FX9 successor of some sort. Its due for an update, and it was notably left out of the firmware updates announced last month for the FX3,30, and 6.
You look at the price of Canon R5, R5c, it drops so much That as Sony user I am really jealous. a7sIII and fx3 still sale at original price 3-4 years ago.
I can say, while recording a variety of multi-cam podcasts in a temperature controlled room, both with and without external power, as soon as it's above 70 degrees Fahrenheit in the studio, I've had one or both of the ZVe1's auto shutoff on me around the 45-60 minute mark of recording. And that was with temperature sensitivity switched to high. Using my FX3 as the main has never been an issue though, no surprise there. Planning to upgrade to fx30's in the future, to fill a supplementary multiuse roll along with podcast recording.
You’re so obviously straining to find something to say. As wonderful as our cameras are, they’re only tools for what you can do with them. You don’t need to buy a new camera every year.
you, ummm you lack the ability to comprehend information....even so legit cinema cameras dont even have ibis. So clearly this might not be a thing for you to want to dive into. But also ignorance is bliss...
just got a package with a FX3, GM 70 - 200 2.8, Sigma 24-70 2.8, 3 Tough 160 CF, Rode wireless mini- mic set up with Lavs, Two 1tb SSD's, XLR Handle, Sony Mic, 4 Sony batteries, Cage, and a camera bag for $4500. Stoked to see this Vid!
holy heck. what a haul!
Where in the world you got that pack!
yeah Im gonna need a link pls!
Where did you get that package from? 🔥
Bump
I got my fx3 in 2022 for $3200 and it’s still my favorite camera!!
That’s a killer deal too
How much should I be planning to pay for a new Sony FX three? Also, which lens would you recommend for an all-around cinematic? I’m shooting cars, car, commercials, exotic muscle cars and I need low light, loving and dynamic range cameras for This and lens.
5k here in Australia
5000$ in Sweden
Hey, great video! Some great observations here. I just had one little thing that struck me while watching it that I wanted to mention in case anyone was confused.
At 8:55 you mention that FX30 and other crop sensor camera users are "limited to APS-C lenses of which there's a much worse selection. Only 57 compared to the 142 full frame lenses or you'll have to deal with the 1.5x crop factor." I'm not sure if you just got a bit confused during your explanation or you misunderstand how crop factor works, but here it goes...
Both full frame and APS-C lenses will look the same on an APS-C (or other "cropped") sensor camera assuming everything else is equal (aperture, focal length, distance from the subject, etc.). They will have the same field of view and the same depth of field on that same camera. The crop in terms of field of view will always occur when compared with a full frame sensor regardless of which type of lens you choose.
For example, a 50mm lens of any sort will show the same field of view on a given camera as any other 50mm with any size image circle provided that both lenses have large enough image circles to cover the sensor. Full frame lenses cover an APS-C sensor so they don't experience any additional "crop" when compared with an APS-C lens of the same focal length. In fact, the whole reason why larger sensor sizes allow for more control over depth of field than smaller ones is that you use a longer lens to achieve the same field of view on a full frame and longer lenses mean a shallower depth of field (one of the three main factors along with aperture and focal distance).
Since a 75mm lens on a full frame camera will show the same field of view as a 50mm on a 1.5x crop factor camera your depth of field will be more shallow with the same focal distance (distance from the subject) and aperture. This means that to match depth of field you must shoot at a more open aperture on the 1.5x crop camera. People sometimes get this confused and believe that larger sensors produce an inherently shallower depth of field. It's the longer lens at a given field of view which actually produces this result.
Anyway, the real difference in terms of lens selection is that if you put a "cropped" lens on a full frame camera it will have a port-holing effect where you can see the edges of the cropped sensor lens' image circle. There are reasons to choose an APS-C lens over a full frame lens for an APS-C camera. They are often cheaper and lighter, for example. And some good ones (the Sigma Art 18-25mm f/1.8 DC HSM zoom is a good example) are just straight up not available in full frame versions.
If anything choosing a full frame camera means that you lose access to APS-C lenses because they don't have image circles large enough to cover your larger sensor. Choosing an FX30 means you gain access to those lenses. Just the nature of having a smaller sensor that is covered by a larger range of lens image circles.
The Eric Hartman cutaway had me rolling. I’m so glad I stumbled upon you man. Your content is 👌
Hahaha cheers fam. Glad you enjoyed that one
I bought my fx30 in 2022 and got fx3 just this month. Both are fantastic cameras. I love my fx30 for its crop when shooting sports. I love my fx3 for low lights. I intentionally did not buy APSC lens because I knew I would buy a FF later on and it worked out great.
Man, I had the FX3 when it first came out, Had to sell in the pandemic unfortunately and got an A7IV which I actually love but it over heats like crazy, Since a year I have been back to doing 99% video and contemplating getting the FX30 or Fx3 if I can scrape the funds together.. Not sure if I can get by with the FX30 which is way cheaper and wait until the FX3II which might come out really "soon". One of my concerns also is with my A7IV I shoot 16:9 and have no problems cropping to vertical and it is really good quality and sharp but it is a downsampled 6K sensor. Would the FX3 have the same quality since it is only a 4.6K sensor? I never got a chance to use 16:9 and crop to vertical when I had it. Apparently the FX30 is also from a 6-7K sensor and I am wondering if it is going to crop better for that purpose..? I also do not shoot much super low light. Any suggestions from any professionals that may have a user experience with this? Thanks!!
I don’t think it sucks for photos at all. In a pinch it gets the job done and does a phenomenal job at getting amazing images even in its current form factor. Out of convenance if I need to shoot both video and photos I just bring the FX3 and it does both well.
Thanks! I’m just starting out to make content for my music. Super helpful!
Lol why would the form factor alter your IQ? He just meant it's a crap factor for taking photos lol
I just purchased the FX3. It’s going to be a great option for years to come. As someone who has used the a7iv for video for a while. This is a great option for me.
I just did the same lol a7iv is great but the fx3 video is just levels above when I look at it
@@zayrobbs It's pretty incredible how much better the quality is. I'm still somewhat fumbling around to get my settings customized to my liking. One thing I am glad of is not having to worry about over heating.
What Lens did you buy/use withe the fx3?
@@rokkstar8129 I already had the Sigma 24-70 and purchased the Sony 16-25/F2.8 G Lens. I plan on purchasing the 70-200 next and possibly the Sony 16-55/F2.8 G lens.
Thanks for the interesting video! I have the feeling that we have plateaued a little when it comes to camera tech, which is a luxury problem. And where it does develop, it is tech that the far majority of users does not need, but where camera companies try really hard to convince us we do. Does the average video shooter need a global sensor, 4K240, 8K60 or 8K120 fps? We don't see any real progress in dynamic range for the past years, which tops out at 15-16 stops for full frame, and 16 bit colour. Raw video is there, but only used by a handful as the file sizes are prohibitively large. We mainly see processor upgrades, but what do most people need beyond sticky autofocus on a stationary or gently moving subject? For those who need superfast, there are specialised cameras (A9III, A1 etc.)
I think the A7S3 and FX3 mark the beginning of where the tech currently plateaus, where cameras got really great, and they will be good cameras at least for another 5 years. I don't see 8K taking over anytime soon, especially considering that 95% of all TH-cam videos is watched in HD or lower resolutions, and not even 4K. People like to say these days a product is 'long in the tooth', but that is a judgement of age and not performance. And the performance of all these cameras is absolutely still there, even 3 to 4 years later!
Very well rounded and practical comment, appreciate it!
1) Could you throw some light on APSC vs Full-Frame? In which scenario should one consider APSC over a FF and vice-versa? I mainly shoot videos - travel videos, time lapses, product unboxing, or cooking videos indoors.
2) I've waited too long for the Canon R5 II, Sony A7 SIV or a FX3 II and can't wait any more.
I've shortlisted Sony ZVE1, Sony A6700, Sony FX3, Canon R5 and Canon R6 II. I love the Sony's Auto Focus but my eyes love the Canon Colors. I love the Canon's Body (Ergonomics) and Menu system but don't know how good or bad is the Auto Focus compared to Sony. How good or bad is Canon's low light performance over the Sony models I've shortlisted? Long lasting battery when shooting 4K is important to me too.
@@TravAlligator
1) There are 2 main differentiators between Full-frame (FF) and APS-C, low light capabilities and lenses. In FF, if you take the Sony A7Siii and FX3, they have excellent performance in low light, due to their high second native ISO of 12,800 if you were to chose those specific cameras. That is not a major difference though, and that difference can be somewhat negated by fact that some sensors are capable of shooting higher resolutions, and sample this down to 4K. This creates additional sharpness, and reduces some of the pixellation/grain caused by high ISO’s. So for a dedicated lowlight camera like an A7Siii and FX3, there is a real difference in low light, but between a FF Sony A7iv and an APS-C FX30 or A6700 which all shoot oversampled 4K that difference is really small. Secondly, many of the dedicated APS-C are much smaller, while there are now options available that certainly give you a nice shallow depth of field. Think of the Viltrox 75mm f1.2 the Sigma 56mm 1.4, which are really excellent APS-C lenses. All day in a backpack, that will certainly make a difference. Do realise that the far majority of R&D of camera companies is with FF and that most products brought out are intended for FF. So FF is where the main future growth is.
2) With respect to your second question. Personally, I find R-mount problematic. The lens choice is limited, and the lenses are really expensive. The Canon R5 is an excellent photo camera, but despite its firmware updates still overheat, and still has a 30 minute recording limit. I would consider this camera unsuitable for your purpose. The Canon R6 II is a much more compelling option, but still with a limited choice of very pricy lenses (not seldom more expensive than the body).
Between the ZVE1, A6700 and FX3, my first question would be whether you like to shoot with a viewfinder. If the answer is “yes”, the A7Siii has by far the best viewfinder with 9.4 million dots.
A6700 is the best hybrid camera. It has the same sensor as the FX30, and shoots great video, but would also be good at taking photos with the EVF.
The ZVE1 is a more consumer level camera with an EVF, with a very good sensor that is also used in the A7Siii and the FX3. The body is a bit plastic, it has a single card slot, but it has really nice vlogging features if that is what you are into. This camera will be great in low light, but the 12 megapixel sensor is low resolution for photos (the photos will look great though).
In warm weather and during long recording, this camera may overheat. So it’s intended for shorter video clips, like under 30 minutes.
The FX3 is an entirely different beast and twice the price. That is a prosumer video camera, with the audio top handle, and a fan, built for all day use. It’s a workhorse camera.
If you want to shoot video all day, this the camera to choose.
The A7Siii and FX3 set the standard for good AF, and the A6700 and ZVE1 have picked up with that. Be careful that the A7Siii and FX3 do not have Eye-AF for animals in video, which the A7iv and the A6700 do have. So if that’s important to you, chose those.
Battery life is not that much of a consideration. Most Sony cameras do about 2 hours on a single charge, but the FX3 and FX30 are certainly a bit more power hungry than the other cameras.
To sum up;
If you need an EVF: choose the Sony A7iv, A7Siii, A6700 or the Canon R6 II (or (not) the R5).
If you shoot a lot of low light; Sony A7Siii, FX3, or ZVE1
If you want to shoot photos next to video; Sony A7iv or A6700 or Canon R6 II
If you want unlimited record times and a body to match that; Sony FX3, FX30 and A7Siii
For your application, I would actually recommend you the Sony A7iv, with the new Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 Mark II (or Sony 20-70mm f4) lens, and then add a fast prime of your choosing later for lower light shooting.
Has an EVF. Gives you great 33 megapixel photos. Is fairly lightweight. Shoots oversampled 4K30, with great sharpness in the images. Low light performance is decent because of the oversampling. Huge lens selection in all price categories. Has the nice connectivity with the mic in the hotshoe (Multi Interface Shoe)
Only downside is the 1.5x crop when you shoot 4K60, but then gives same sharpness as FX3 and A7Siii which is still a great image. Furthermore the sensor is a little slower, so for fast action you may see a little bit of rolling shutter. This is not an issue though for static shots, which likely are the main shots in travel videos.
For the A6700 the same considerations apply, but body is smaller (a benefit) but less nice in the hand (a bit of a brick).
The Sony A7iv is the most versatile camera, and the FF lenses you will buy hold their value well and can be used on other future Sony bodies you may desire.
Buying APS-C lenses are less good of an investment, as not all can be used well on FF bodies (the mount is the same, but the image may not cover the full sensor).
Hope this helps and please don't bite me if it doesn't 🐊😊
@@Edwin-- First of all I want to thank you so much for an elaborate response. I learnt a lot from it :-)
To answer a few of your questions - My use case is mainly videos about 90% of the times. Rarely do I take pictures or print them so an EVF or high megapixel is not important to me but if it comes as a bonus like the (Sony A6700) I don't mind. I do travel to remote places sometimes and so battery life is important for me. I do carry additional batteries on my current point-and-shoot. So I'm guessing I'll have to do the same no matter if I buy a Sony or a Canon.
You see I currently have a Canon G7X II amazing point and shoot. But I badly need a 4K capable camera now for my upcoming travel in the next two weeks. Generally people move to an APSC like the Sony A6700 and then upgrade to a FF later. I could do the same but on second thoughts I'm of the opinion now that why not go for the FF directly since I can afford to buy it. It will save me money later trying to move from APSC body to a FF. Do you agree?
I had high hopes from the Canon R5 but if it still over heating and shutting down when shooting a 4K then that's a deal breaker for me. Thanks for raising this flag! And that's another reason I was eagerly waiting for the Canon R5 Mark II since last year but there is no concrete launch date for it yet.
Your point about Canon lenses being limited and expensive is correct. But let's say if I buy just 2 lenses like a 24-105mm f/4L and a 50mm f/1.8 will it be sufficient to cover all scenarios that I'm working in?
I love Canon's color science, weather sealing, menu system and ergonomics (Sony's tiny body doesn't grip well in my hands). How is the Canon R6 II in terms of 4K videos, in body stabilization, auto-focus and low light performance vs A6700 or an FX3?
If Sony had launched an Sony A7S IV or a Sony FX3 II, I would have immediately bought it. The reason I'm skepticle to buy an A7SIII or an FX3 today is because they lack all the goodness of an AI chip which the ZV-E1 or an A6700 have today. This happened to me with the DJI Drone, I bought the DJI Mini 3 Pro and after 2 months they launched the Mini 4 Pro and although Mini 3 Pro is great, I missed the side obstacle avoidance sensors that Mini 4 Pro has.
In this scenario sometimes I think of buying the FF ZVE1 for now and start my FF journey. And later whenever FX3 II launches I can sell the ZVE1 body and swtich to FX3 while reusing the FF lenses
So to summarize
Option 1) FF: Get a Canon R6 Mark II body + 24-105mm f/4L and a 50mm f/1.8 and be done.
Option 2) FF: Get a Sony ZVE1 Body (+ a couple of G Master lenses) and later move to a FX3 II Body.
Option 3) FF: Buy a Sony A7CII + a couple of G Master lenses and be done.
Option 4) Rent or Buy a Sony RX100 VII for my upcoming travel and wait for either Canon R5 Mark II or a Sony FX3 II to launch.
Dilemma Dilemma Dilemma! :D
@@TravAlligator You’re welcome.
In your messages, I still see a lot of different camera models come by, which vary greatly in handling and price. Perhaps it is worthwhile to visit a store and have a look at the actual cameras, because the handling really matters.
Perhaps also set yourself a bit of a budget on what you like to spend for the body and lenses combined. The models and lenses you state vary from a USD 3,000 to USD 9,000 investment, and at every price tier I think may have different expectations.
You could also rent one, and see whether you like the camera before making the investment.
If you have a Canon G7X II now, any of the suggested cameras will give you a substantial step up from a 1” sensor, at the price of being less pocketable.
Most R&D is in full-frame, and there are the most developments, and the lenses hold their value best, so full-frame is in my opinion the best investment longterm.
But it would be wrong to dismiss APS-C for its image quality, it’s great, and the lenses are certainly smaller which is an important factor for some.
You cannot shoot on what might come out in the future. So I chose cameras on the specs that are available now, and the specs I think I may need in the next years. Shooting up to 4K60p is for most application more than sufficient, and for the top tier bump to 4K120 with full image quality you pay a significant premium in most cameras.
Petapixel made a comparison video between the Canon R6 II and the Sony A7iv (and thus A7Cii as well). Suggest to have a look at that one, they do a better job comparing than I ever could in a message.
The Sony ZVE1 is a camera that didn’t really win my heart. I think it is intended for people who want to purchase a serious camera, but not take the time to learn how to handle a camera. That to me is typically a camera you’re happy with in the first weeks, and then grow over a bit. I don’t like the small plastic body either, the others are much more solid.
I know that quite a few TH-camrs like this camera, but it’s not for me. You can’t beat the price to performance though, as it’s basically the A7Siii-internals at 2/3 of the price.
With respect to your options;
1) Besides my comment regarding RF-mount in general, I think the Canon R6 II and the 2 lenses suggested are a really solid and future-proof choice you will get great results with. Very good choice for your application, with a good price to performance ratio.
2) The ZVE1 has on paper higher video specs than the Canon R6 II, but is a very different camera in the hand, and if you like larger bodies you will like the Canon R6 II way more. Of course if you invest in E-mount lenses, you could always switch bodies later, but you can better on focus on what you would enjoy now and in the next few years (and not a fictive camera of the future, as there will always be a next one)
3) The A7CII is small but more solid body than the ZVE1. In specifications, it’s basically an A7iv. Personally I prefer the A7iv, it’s a bit better balanced with the full frame lenses (as the Canon R6 II would be), but many like the A7Cii for it’s smaller size.
I like shooting with an EVF, so that’s a factor for me on these type of bodies.
4) I think the Sony RX100 VII does not give you the step up in quality you are looking for, and phone cameras are getting closer to this quality level. So renting one for a holiday could be an option, but I think purchasing one would not be a right choice, if at the same time you’re looking at the much higher end options. It’s a great pocket camera though, but incomparable to the other options in performance and handling.
@@Edwin-- Another great and detailed response. You are right, I have shortlisted a wide variety and need to bucket them based on the total price I'm willing to spend. Thanks for that approach. I'll also take a look at the comparison videos you have suggested and it will help me narrow down further. Your point about not buying the RX100 VII for an insignificant visual experience is accurate, and I respect that. Thank you so much for all the inputs it's very rare that I come across experts like yourself. Once I arrive at a decision I will let you know soon. Until then see you later Alligator 🐊😁
Can you explain why you say that the FX30 is limited to APS-C lenses? I understand that it's an APS-C sensor, but you should be able to use FF lenses on it just fine, it's the other way around that doesn't work, at least not without having to crop in
Nevermind, you mention the crop
The FX30 works well with both APS-C and fullframe lenses, but for fullframe lenses the focal length has to be multiplied by 1.5, and the depth of field equals the aperture times 1.5. But if you use fast lenses, like the Viltrox 27mm and 75mm f1.2, you get the equivalent of a 40mm or 110mm f1.8, and you absolutely can get shallow depth of field.
I think the main limitations are with really wide angle lenses, which give more distortion, and the sensor performs a little less good in very low light. But for half the price of an FX3 or A7S3, the FX30 is an absolutely stellar camera.
@@Edwin-- The crop doesn't work that way. A 50mm APS-C lens will have a crop of 1.5x on any APS-C sensor (when compared to a full frame sensor), same as a full frame 50mm lens. Lenses are labelled APS-C or FF because of the size of the image circle they can cover.
He got this part totally wrong. The FX30 can use more lenses than the FX3.
9:06 what are you talking about here? The sensor is smaller and that doesn’t affect your lenses at all! You just have to do a little bit of math to find the FF equivalent focal length when using APSC sensor.
The way you’re framing it making it look like your lenses are being downgraded or something bad happening to your lenses!
Man take a deep breath and stop the FF BS talking point. All Cinema camera no matter which one you’ll pick from any brand RED, Arri, Sony, … are for some aspect ratio cropping in the sensor. Even your 16:9 or 17:9 aspect ratio on your FX3 is cropping in the sensor! If you want full sensor readout you then need open gate which seems to be only available on the Venice from Sony side.
Real filmmakers have been using crop factor to their advantages for ages doing a little bit of math instead of seeing it as a limitation.
How do you shoot? Are you in S-log3 full time, or S-Cinetone, or does it just depend on the project? What LUTs do you grade with? I've heard good things about the Phantom LUTs!
Impressive performance at 3:29 where’s that footage from? Do you have a link to it ?
These are all clips that i filmed myself or friends filmed of me
@@kylemeshna they are really good shots. I asked cos i was hoping a longer form was elsewhere on your channel. Thanks
Do you know the base ISO or ISOs for HLG2 / H:LG3? thanks.
I bought the ZV-E1 and I love it for photos, but it overheats CONSTANTLY. Try getting through a 30 min zoom with it in 4k as you webcam or even just shooting video for longer periods- GOOOD LUCK. Ended up buying the FX3 anyway.
Finally got one, had to go new cause everyone wanted almost new pricing for used. One thing I noticed you said Dual base ISO 640/12800. It is 800/12800 if I am not mistaken. Thanks for the video, it was part of my decision on getting one in 2024.
Great video!
How would you recommend shooting long outdoor fitness videos on the fx3 when there is no one behind the camera? Would you shoot in LOG (which might require a lot of work in post) or would you suggest an automatic setting.
Thanks so much!
Find a LUT & slap it on ya LOG footage
Great Video! I'm currently using the GH5 and looking to upgrade to a new full-frame camera. I'm torn between the S5iix and the FX3. Do you think the extra cost for the FX3 is worth it? I’ve watched several footage videos from both cameras on TH-cam, especially in the music video genre, and I find Sony’s look much more modern and cinematic.
I’m curious do you need a lens attachment or can you simply just use the camera?
Cant shoot without a lens if that's what ur asking
@@lukeknight4621 thanks 👌
Bro 😂
It is the GTX1080ti of cameras. Built way too well and with enough longevity to seriously impact long term profit for Sony because people buy the and keep them much longer than expected. The FX3 will still be in many hands a decade from now, I expect. I also suspect the next lineup of FX bodies will not be as well rounded or long-term useful.
Good analogy. Similarly, the a7sii had quite a long lifespan, so I could see the next iteration taking over as well
What about if you shoot sports? Would you recommend the FX3?
Sports video? Yes. Not sports photos though
Maybe check out the channel "Beyond the Game" here on TH-cam, he is a dedicated sports videographer who uses the FX3 as main camera.
Indeed, amazing product even those days but for a low budget, let's say around 1000$, what are the recommendations?
Used a7iii
Man, I had the FX3 when it first came out, Had to sell in the pandemic unfortunately and got an A7IV which I actually love but it over heats like crazy, Since a year I have been back to doing 99% video and contemplating getting the FX30 or Fx3 if I can scrape the funds together.. Not sure if I can get by with the FX30 which is way cheaper and wait until the FX3II which might come out really "soon". One of my concerns also is with my A7IV I shoot 16:9 and have no problems cropping to vertical and it is really good quality and sharp but it is a downsampled 6K sensor. Would the FX3 have the same quality since it is only a 4.6K sensor? I never got a chance to use 16:9 and crop to vertical when I had it. Apparently the FX30 is also from a 6-7K sensor and I am wondering if it is going to crop better for that purpose..? I also do not shoot much super low light. Any suggestions from any professionals that may have a user experience with this? Thanks!!
My ZV-E1 is new and I am getting iver heat warnings within 20 minutes or recording at 24 frames recording despite the battery door open, despite the flippy screen open, despite having it in airplane mode, despite the site doors open. The only power hungry thing I do is use an HDMI connected camera monitor.
Is my camera a dud and nees to be exchanged? Or is it that I an using a Neewer NPF plate with a dummy battery with both camera and monitor connected
Do you have the Power Temp setting set to High?
@@kylemeshna oh course, My Fujifilm X-S20 and my older Sony ZV-1 would have all overheated if I didn't so it's what I expect to do. My room temp was around 28c though. I decided I am returning this tonight for the A7C II
Yes. Not outdated. But I’ll watch anyway
Do you think it's possible to expect a sony fx3 II by the end of this year?
Do you think it's possible to expect him to cover this topic by the end of this video?
My only complain is that it's optimise for only 10bit. Missing features from the cheaper FX30 like variable shutter. Wish it's more flexible
I’m getting all my kids FX3’s for Christmas.
What is a good hybrid camera that has FX3 features?
zv e1
A7CII?
Im waiting 😮 very helpfull🎉
great vid!
How would you compare the FX3 to the A7Siii? I can't really decide between the two.. :)
I prefer the FX3, but I also use the A1 as my primary camera for photos.
the FX3's photos are effectively the same, but it's not the best form factor and user experience, so if you're a hybrid shooter and this will be your only camera, I might consider the A7SIII. The FX3 is much better suited for pure video shooting due to the ergonomics and "rig-ability". So it just depends on what you need more!
@@kylemeshna Thanks for the response, that will help me a lot 🙏🏼
Probably gonna go for the A7Siii then as it would be my main (and only) camera with me shooting hybrid most of the time :)
To me there are 2 real differences; 1) the A7SIII has an awesome viewfinder, which the FX3 does not have. 2) The FX3 is equipped with a fan and is unlikely to overheat in warm climates. The A7SIII doesn't overheat easily either, but will in warm climates when used in the open sun. Whether that is relevant to you, depends on where you live. The FX3 is a bit more workhorse, but the A7S3 no slouch.
The button layout of the FX3 is better suited for video, e.g. the zoom rocker for powerzoom lenses. But the buttons on the A7S3 can be customised such that it will work very smoothly too.
The rigging is not a big argument for me, neither is the audio handle. Sure, the FX3 has the buit-in cage, but there are plenty of half and full cages available for the A7S3 which you can make work. And the audio handle can also be used on the A7S3 if purchased separately, Smallrig makes an adapter plate which allows you to mount the handle on their cage (SmallRig part 4019). So if you prefer a camera with a viewfinder and the audio handle, that is possible too.
Both cameras will give you great results, as the sensor performance and codecs are mainly identical
@@Edwin-- thank you for the detailed response 🙏🏼
I‘ll likely go with the A7S3 as a better fit for hybrid shooting. While my focus is on videos, I think it suits the purpose better than the FX3 😄
@@gamebreakerfnI think it is a good choice. And if you value a viewfinder, there is no better one than on the A7S3, it's truly great.
I personally like to use it with a half cage (Smallrig 3639), which allows for full access to the camera's controls, has a Arca Swiss bottom so you can fit it directly on a tripod / gimbal, while allowing you to add a monitor, mic, and extra handle whenever you like. Best of both worlds; clean compact camera, or rigged out in under a minute.
1:14 AYOO THATS BIG COTTONWOOD
sorry got excited.... great video btw
Fire 🔥
Rumblings on the reliable Sony rumor site suggests we will see an FX9 category announcement, possibly as soon as mid-August (2024), with no other FX announcements looming, so the FX3 will probably be with us for a while yet. And yes if you cherry pick features then the FX3 can be made to look like it has fallen behind. But unless you desperately need 6k or 8k for post production cropping and complex image manipulation (or 12k for VFX plates), then it’s still hard to beat the complete package when compared with most hybrids. I toyed around with a Z6III for a few weeks but the DR is not great and shadow recovery even from RAW is inferior to the FX3 sensor, not to mention the 8.3 file naming limit and the lack of slating info, no tally lights, fewer custom buttons to work with, no dual-slot recording, no balanced audio option, no hardwired timecode option, no power zoom options, etc. The FX3 is a pocket sized entry level full frame cine camera that should not be taken lightly even this far into its product cycle.
Dead at the cartman voice over part
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Wait, FX3 doesn't have a shutter angle?
I was thinking the same thing - astonishing that a camera like this wouldn't have, given it's intended use. I looked it up though, and apparently it now does, via a firmware update.
It does now
@@24_f_p_s apparently the firmware update has wrecked a fair few cameras though. I think there's maybe an updated update, but I'd perhaps be wary, given what the first one did.
@@NessNayii I updated and am using it with no issues, YMMV
You understand that there is no difference between a 50mm "full frame lens" and a "cropped" 50mm lens on an APS-C sensor, right?
What?
Hlo bro, How do you compare image quality of fx 3 and fx30?
I am a fx30 owner and never used fx 3, how bad is fx30 compared to fx3 in your terms. Please share thoughts
I work on both footage before. FX30 is not bad it's just much more grainier require u to expose properly.
Fx3 is a cheat code when comes to exposing ur image.
But fx3 is a old camera missing feature like variable shutter which FX30 has.
@@iDealMedley thank you bro for replying. What do you think is the proper way to expose the image in fx30 as opposed to fx 3.
Also bro someone wants to trade their zv-e1 with my fx30, I am on a cusp to make a decision. Less reliable with better image quality vs super reliable with less superior quality. Please share thoughts
A full frame camera will (typically) always maintain a lead when it comes to noise. You can apply the crop factor to work out that essentially that difference is about 1stop (compared to APS-C) If you shoot in studio or have lights, simply keep your ISO at it's native and adjust your lights instead. The image will be just as clean. The FoV and DoF will look different though, but people are way to overly invested in trying to make their crop sensor cams look like full frame came. Focus on lighting, staging camera movement.
@@raman139 in good lighting condition and also if you have fast lenses(f1. 2- 1.4) FX30 works too.
Fx30 image quality is good don't think otherwise. But it's way easier to shoot with the fx3 sensor in unpredictable lighting situations but in a controlled environment FX30 performs as good
Is there a specific feature that makes u leaning on one over another??
@@iDealMedley Man, I had the FX3 when it first came out, Had to sell in the pandemic unfortunately and got an A7IV which I actually love but it over heats like crazy, Since a year I have been back to doing 99% video and contemplating getting the FX30 or Fx3 if I can scrape the funds together.. Not sure if I can get by with the FX30 which is way cheaper and wait until the FX3II which might come out really "soon". One of my concerns also is with my A7IV I shoot 16:9 and have no problems cropping to vertical and it is really good quality and sharp but it is a downsampled 6K sensor. Would the FX3 have the same quality since it is only a 4.6K sensor? I never got a chance to use 16:9 and crop to vertical when I had it. Apparently the FX30 is also from a 6-7K sensor and I am wondering if it is going to crop better for that purpose..? I also do not shoot much super low light. Any suggestions from any professionals that may have a user experience with this? Thanks!!
Great video as I'm entertaining either this or the Black magic P6pro. Randomly, I've worked with that same person at the 6 minute mark. haha
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING LIKE FX3 OR A7R V WHICH IS YOUR PREFER?
That’s comparing an apple to a cucumber. One is for photos. One is for videos. Take your pick
If you put something on screen than put it for few more seconds so people can read it also 😅
It will be better to save your money and wait a few months for the FX3II or A7SIV
Probably won’t see anything until earliest mid 2025…
I want to buy fx3 in next 3 months , should i buy or wait 😢???? Or should i buy something else better ? Im new please let me know
Invest in ur future bro
I hear people getting good deals on threads on uses ones but don't see it, a friend of a friend is selling an a7siii for 2k that im thinking about buying , but I really want an fx3 !!!
Get the fx3 the siii is just a way better set up overall for the future
Sold my FX3 to buy a red and hands down the FX3 is the best sony I ever owned
Do you miss it?
@@kylemeshna I still have a a74 so don’t really miss it but it is definitely the fx3 is a great camera
@@JosueEscogidoHow does that RED compare?
02:18 min - what is she doing?
EDIT: Okay, its not the fx3 in her hands. 😀
I definitely think the FX3 is worth it in 2024. Like so many other cameras on the market, the FX3 is a tremendous piece of tech and you can pretty much cut between any of these cameras and fool even the trained eye. I feel like a slew of amazing cameras got released since 2020 and camera tech has almost plateaued. It really just comes down to personal preferences and use cases. It will only diminish in relevancy when 4k ceases to be the standard which might be 4-6 years.
I think the new FX cam thats rumored to come this year is likely an FX9 successor of some sort. Its due for an update, and it was notably left out of the firmware updates announced last month for the FX3,30, and 6.
Agreed!
You look at the price of Canon R5, R5c, it drops so much That as Sony user I am really jealous. a7sIII and fx3 still sale at original price 3-4 years ago.
I just want the FX6 ii to have global shutter and lens lock. That’s it. Not higher resolution. Give me my low light.
Thx!
subbed thank you !
I can say, while recording a variety of multi-cam podcasts in a temperature controlled room, both with and without external power, as soon as it's above 70 degrees Fahrenheit in the studio, I've had one or both of the ZVe1's auto shutoff on me around the 45-60 minute mark of recording. And that was with temperature sensitivity switched to high. Using my FX3 as the main has never been an issue though, no surprise there.
Planning to upgrade to fx30's in the future, to fill a supplementary multiuse roll along with podcast recording.
Active cooling on the FX3 is OP
Dual iso is not 640 and 12800 anymore. It's 800 and 12800.
Why the totally inappropriate music ?
Agreed. Do less and have less annoying results. Overedited and distracting
Sounds like a bone. So stoked for the MKII of the FX3
yooooo I was watching this till he made the joke about where the fingers suppose to be hahahahahaha I'm dying
I have to admit that sony released too many camera that they started to compete with each other even when they all in the same brand ( Sony )
Please Nikon Z9 shits on everything spec for spec look it up
Canon EF lenses: 229
its 2024 and yall act like most people have 3k+ to spend on a camera body. Its fucking sad bro
Love what you had to say bro 🤙🏼
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Just got an fx3 local for $2100.. pretty crazy deal and I’m super stoked with it
That is an INSANE deal bro.
bro sounds like zuck but in camera world
The dual base iso is 800 and 12800 not 640
I’m loving my fx30 ( #brokeboysgang ) maybe when fx3 mkii releases, maybe then i’ll be able to afford the fx3
Amazing video I recently just got my Sony FX3 and I made an unboxing video. It’s up on my TH-cam channel.
You’re so obviously straining to find something to say. As wonderful as our cameras are, they’re only tools for what you can do with them. You don’t need to buy a new camera every year.
its fullframe
huhh waiting for a7siv and fx 3 mk II
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R5c is way much better
5:49 completely unnecessary and hideous AI generated crap
No IBIS in 2024 means hard pass. Digital stabilization is 2006 tech.
What are you talking about? Fx3 has IBIS
you, ummm you lack the ability to comprehend information....even so legit cinema cameras dont even have ibis. So clearly this might not be a thing for you to want to dive into. But also ignorance is bliss...
Well, the Burano has Ibis...so...@@yusei151
Wut
Most cinema cams dont have IBIS!
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