My Thoughts on the Sony FX9…
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- Testing the new features of the Sony PXW-FX9 like the automatic variable ND, the face detection autofocus, and the post stabilization.
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Table of Contents:
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0:00 - Intro
0:42 - The Automatic Variable ND Is Incredible
2:05 - Face Detection Autofocus Is Mostly Great
2:55 - Overexposure Issue with Face Detection
4:39 - S-Log3 vs S-Cinetone
5:12 - FX9 Audio Preamp Test
6:07 - Post Stabilization Using Catalyst Browse
8:15 - Stabilization Comparison to IBIS & Gimbal
9:13 - Issues with Custom White Balance Capture
9:40 - The Viewfinder Loupe Buckle Is Terrible
9:51 - Concerns about 4K60 & Frame Rate Switching
10:41 - Raw Output Is Not Practical
11:54 - The FX9's Image Quality Is Outstanding
12:31 - FX9 vs a7 III for Banding & Color Resolution
13:36 - Final Thoughts
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Excellent camera review. The more reviews I see of five figure cinema cameras, the more happy I am with my four figure BMPCC4K. Being able to shoot 12-bit raw footage with file sizes averaging one third of ProRes files just makes me giggle with joy. Which happens a lot when I watch your videos, because you're so informative. Cheers.
This is exactly how I feel as well.
Watching this on my 4k TV is a completely different experience when you are showing the banding examples. You can really see the difference!
You mean 4k raw with black magic is much smaller file sizes than what these bad boys carry?
LOL! The creepy face reveal coming up from the tabletop is priceless. Always great stuff. Excellent coverage.
Dude, your reviews blow me away. So clear, concise, in-depth and at 1.5 speed.... love it. Thanks.!
I truly appreciate your in-depth reviews of video products! I would never buy a big ticket item without first waiting to hear what you have to say about it.
Your reviews are absolutely incredible. So precise and thought-out. Keep this up man!
Always a pleasure getting introduced to new tech by you, Gerald! Great review, I learned a lot. :)
Those observations about the gyroscopic stabilizing are keen; object blur without the context of an unstable frame - so important and aptly observed! This is why you are an excellent source for technological commentary. Thank you, Gerald!
Great video! One quick comment: I know everyone loves the thought of having a RAW output, but the uncompressed 10bit 4:2:2 signal has a lot of advantages as well. For instance, there's no noise reduction added to the RAW output. Everyone already knows that good noise reduction takes FOREVER in post. Having it done well in camera is a big deal. Secondly, there are no lens distortion corrections when using a RAW output. I've been shooting 12bit RAW on the FS700 and I immediately noticed the awful mustache distortion of the 18-200mm kit lens. This is all digitally corrected when shooting internally or using the uncompressed HDMI signal. So if you use the RAW signal, I would suggest using cinema grade zoom lenses because you'll most likely have to fix the nasty distortion of Sony's cheaper zoom lenses (especially at the wide end). I'm just going to go ahead and assume that there are corrections being made in camera for the 28-135mm f/4 lens.
That's a fantastic review Gerald, really precise and informative with no bull. Loved it.
Another Great in-depth review. Love it.
Gerald, you are one of the FEW true reviews, I trust your work and can’t thank you enough for keeping it real. 🙏🏼
I'm not much of a gear head, but you explain it in such a way to make a better tech person. Thank you.
Watching this camera closely for awhile now thanks for the informative video and speaking to some different points then Phillip Bloom.
Another excellent review. Great video ! Thanks for all your efforts.
Epic, my day just got brighter thanks to your video
You warned us. And yes. You are crazy. Great vid bud
💜🤓🙏
Props for the pre-amp comparison.
Love the review brother! And I hear you, I’m dying to use my Fx9 with all the lockdowns
It's a testament to your abilities that although i have no interest in this camera i watched just because you're interesting. Love the channel...
Another amazing video! Love ya Gerald
Phenomenal review 👌. I'm not a videographer but found this to be very interesting and easy to understand.
The FX9 is crazy close to the Sony Venice. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that when I started playing with footage. insane.
What a brilliant to the point review again. The best camera reviewer on TH-cam
love your channel man! Next level
Great review as always!
Thanks Gerald for a great video!!
I love my sony fx9 and have been amazed by the quality it produces. I have not compared the resolve stabilizer to sony’s, I will have to test that. Thank you so much for pointing that out !
Have you experienced this loss of face detection when over exposing? I've been considering this camera, but this one thing really called my attention as it is a very normal practice when shooting log
JuanReasonToSmile to be honest I felt as if my fx9 is better with the overexposed face detection than when underexposing.
Bro, so technical and I didn't grasp some of that stuff but I found it most interesting.
I have no plans on ever getting this camera not only cause its way to much for me but also cause I currently shoot the EF-M system. LOL. But I still find it very entertaining and informative. Thanks Gerald for yet another great video.
Great review! Answered a lot of my questions especially about stabilization. Would have loved to see IBS on this sensor. Maybe the FX9 mk2...?
Soo good Gerald! It's not even fair for all the other reviewers!
yep!
Excellent review. Thanks.
Your channel is TIGHT Gerald - great work 👍🏽
Another great review. Even though I am not a Sony user, I do get a large amount of useful information that I can apply when working with what I have. This is why your videos are so good and are the platinum standard, (better than gold), when doing reviews. Though you are reviewing a specific item, the information can be applied to any other brand on what to look for as well exploit features that I may have not thought of doing before. Great job. (BTW the 1dX MK III is in house. While in lock down,getting familiar with it so when things get back to semi-normal, it will feel natural.).
Thanks so much, Phil. How are you liking your new camera?
Very nice presentation. Thank you.
Amazing video and amazing camera! we're waiting the successor of the FS5 :D
With Sony and Canon introducing their solutions to fill the niche of mid-priced full-frame cameras, I'm really really looking forward to Blackmagic entering this field. Imagine an Ursa with all it's capabilities, but featuring a full-frame sensor! Ah, sweet dreams...
Nice Review and nice camera, was at a Sony Event, where I could play a little bit with it:)
It seems pretty perfectly priced for what you get. Sony cameras are incredible, I loved my A7iii until the day I sold it.
4:25 did the face detection when over exposing issue get resolved with firmware updates since this video was published?
Thanks for the video! Took me a while to figure out the exposure index and what it was and what it wasn’t. Glad we did a bunch of tests before we took it into the field. We were on our 6 month of filming A Documentary. We were getting crazy grain in the tests at first not realizing the exposure index was hiding the true exposure and it took a while to figure it out. Now we only shoot s-log 3 and the image is amazing. I really want to do a test with it and an Amira. We were so close to finishing to film and now everything is changed and we will have to film more to incorporate the change of the world in the story.
NIce. I'll be shooting a job with it. What was your exposure steps for s-log 3? I rarely use sony. What tools are you using for in camera exposure assessment? 41/42% on the wave?
You actually compared the pre-amps! My Hero!!
Thanks for this Gerald and for the tip about Resolve stabilisation. I had no idea about that. I love my FX9: it’s a big step up from my FS5ii and A7iii. I do think Sony should have done a bit more with the firmware so far. I always knew it was going to be ‘summer’ (whatever that means) for some of the features and fixes. My biggest annoyance with it is the clunky frame rate switching, which hopefully will be improved; but for just over £9000, this is a major piece of kit that is, as you say, dangerously close to the Venice which is four times the price. Pity I only got mine just before lockdown!
Nice video as always.
Question.
I'm videographer and i owned sony a7iii and i need 2nd cam to record continuously for 3 hours.
What camcorder do you recommend to me?
Not to break the bank
Great video, will you be doing a video on the Canon C500 Mark ii?
How does the gyroscope stabilization hold up for footage where you're handheld but stationary/not walking around?
I’ve been watching Mark Bones channel and from his videos it looks a solid camera
What are your other two "Top-3 Rec-709 Profile" camers?
Thanks!
Full frame 4K60 is one of my requirements for my next camera, and I’m definitely not planning on buying something as expensive and big as the FX9, so I’d definitely expect it there
Does the ENG build-up kit they made for the FS7 compatible with this?
Not that I'm remotely in the market, but I could see that being a useful for some people.
I've just discovered this channel. I subscribed JUST for the funny twitter intro's... also the reviews are great...
Curious Gerald, what are your top rec 709 profiles? and log while we're at it?
Nice! Can you also review the zcam camera? Thanks!
That automatic ND sounds crazy awesome!
please gerald which camers should to buy for youtube video black magic 6K or sony a7riv
That's our next camera. We can't wait !Thanks
Hi Gerald. I really, really like S-Cinetone and I wish it was available on my A7R IV for great SOOC footage. Since you have experience with both systems, could you maybe check into trying to make a Picture Profile that comes close to the colors of S-Cinetone?
Thank you for addressing the frame rate issues, making S&Q so very useless. Also yes, Sony already stated on their website that there will be an 83% crop when shooting "Full Frame" 60p. It's not a full scan, it's a crop. Listed right on the homepage.
The AF face tracking in CineEl mode has been improved in newer firmware right? I think we are running 2.10. Been out for two days with it on doc work and i think it’s working really well now. Anyone else got thoughts on this??
How do you rec and edit your audio?? It's AMAZING!!
Good review! I’ve purchased both new C500 and FX9s! The fill different needs and C500s out do Arri Mini LF in some skin tone challenging situations.
How does the FX9 perform in skintones compared to those camera's
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if you shoot 1080p with ff 6k sensor on the fx9 will the footage still look good? my clients dont want 4k video as they cant handle the size and want me to shoot 1080p but i still have the ability to shoot full frame with the 6k sensor. Is that a bad idea ?
Great video as always! This camera coming in at that price completely kills my hopes for new video features on Sony's next mirrorless body.
Great review thanks. Four months on, the FX9 is already starting to look like a curiosity. Aside from the fantastic eND, it seems difficult to justify the additional cost from an image, codec and usability perspective now that the A7siii has been unveiled. Yes, I know it is comparing apples and oranges but for a large number of uses, if you don't require the form factor of an FX9 you might as well save 7k-8k and get the A7siii, or at least wait to see what Sony is going to release next because for many the A7siii is going to be an FX9 killer.
Great as always
How'd the dynamic range compare to the a7siii? 15 advertised, 13 workable?
Great video, Gerald!
In 10:30 what BM camera they told you about the FPS slider? Or they spoiled about the FX9?
Thanks! I meant my Pocket 4K allows me to change the frame rate easily with just a slider and that has made me want that on every camera now.
Thanks, Gerald! Yes, I`m with the 6K and really enjoy this! Keep up with the great work!
Eagerly awaiting the FX6!
Is it better value than c300mkiii? Is it easier to use? Does it take Canon lenses?
Hello. What are your thoughts of the kit lens the FX9 comes with? It is the same as the FS7. For me the 28mm was just not enough for some situations. So I was pretty happy when they released the 18-110 lens the FS7 M2 comes with. How big are the effects of the full format on the 28mm? Is it now enough for most situations? Or would you recommend to buy the body and then the 18-110mm lens instead?
Ahh I already saw, that the 18-110mm is just for s35 and apsc...Still the question. How big is the differnce between the 28mm s35 and 28mm full frame?
Where can we get the free Sony SLOG3 lut? I want to use it with my A7Siii
Gets motivated by the excellent review, clicks on link, sees price, learns to live with my Sony AX700.
I was going to get an fx9 and an a7siii but this video makes me question if I need the fx9... can you do an fx9 vs a7siii video?
I liked the video at 2:50 thanks Gerald
Brandon Li mentioned in one of his recent videos that, if you wan to use Sony's Catalyst Software properly, you will have to drastically increase your shutter speed. Which obviously is not an alternative for most people but I still find the results you can achieve quite stunning.
Wow, great train of thoughts
I love when you recommend something and then I’m like...well...now I got to buy it...and when I go it’s sold out or not available lol (your last video on the godox lights lol )
Appreciate the a7iii comparison. is the dynamic range significantly better than the a7iii as well?
Great job!
finaly! i have been waiting for this video
[video geek mic drop] hehe. That was awesome. good info. And the video geek in me has been humbled.
Hey Gerald, what do you think is the difference between Venice and FX9. Image wise.
Sony's color is still looking rough.... I'm glad I purchased a Pocket4k. The first footage I shot on a BMPCC4K blew my mind coming from the A7SII. Great review though!! Well done.
Do you uses Final Cut X for you color work?
Can you please do a dynamic range test? Like in the A73 picture profile video. A good scientific DR test with 1EV steps, video-scope, with popular cameras and cinema cameras too. Like A73, S1H, GH5, 1DXmk3, Alexa, Red, Pocket cinema. Thank you for the great content :)
Ironi is that on my iPad (2019 @1080p) with youtube compression, banding is all there at 12:20...when stating there is no banding, how unlucky
Would you say this is a good starter camera for a stills shooter? Mainly for instagram selfies
Hi I'm Gerald Undone and I take mise en scene to a new level.
Like seriously bro wow!
Not even considering this camera and I still love this video. It actually brings up a question, when should we shoot RAW? For what types of content is it necessary? I’m currently shooting on the black magic pocket cinema camera 4K and I have yet to touch RAW, I’ve just been shooting on the film profile in ProRes. Is this completely foolish of me, or does it not matter if you’re getting a great image? I would love to hear your opinion on this.
Thanks, God bless! - Winter!
Hopefully Gerald will chime in, but I always shoot Blackmagic raw on my pocket 4k. The file encoding is more efficient than prores, and if your workflow is compatible why not have the extra room for grading? It's true the higher compression options can be a bit soft, but it's more than enough for TH-cam/Vimeo and I don't see any benefits to prores other than workflow compatibility.
What are your thoughts on this VS the URSA or BMPCC6K?
It would be really cool if the camera would store the gyro info for the stabilization instead of doing the stabilization itself. A 4x4x32bit matrix per frame should be just fine. That way one could use the data for better stabilization in post.
Hey Gerald, awesome video! I just had a quick question about Sony's video autofocus. I have an A7RIII, (latest firmware,) and I primarily use it for photo, but still frequently use it for video and have had consistent issues with the camera's autofocus being inconsistent. Sometimes it works really really well, and others, it doesn't. Usually what I it will grab the subjects face, or where the focus point is set, but then will loose it and won't get it back. This happens even when the subject and camera are at a standstill, and I am thus forced to keep it that way, and use manual focus. I have tried every combination for Video AF speed and responsiveness between normal/fast and standard/responsive. I have issues any way.
I have a Samyang 85mm f/1.4 AF, and I am wondering if this lens is the issue. I know that it has been known to have issues, but I have never seen them like this. I would test it with another lens, but have not yet been able to purchase one.
Do you think this is the issue, or do you think it is something else?
That definitely doesn't sound like normal behaviour. The best way to be sure would be to see if you could rent or borrow any Sony-brand lens, the newer the better to test. I haven't used that Samyang personally, so i can't speak to it. Sorry for not being more help.
@@geraldundone Don't worry about it. I appreciate the advice that you were able to offer. Thank you!
What was your shutter speed when you did the stabilization test? Aren't you suppose to shoot at a higher shutter speed if you're going to use gyro data. That should eliminate those artificial motion blurs for the most part unless you're really shaking all over the place.
does the AF work for high frame rates?
That AF issue while 1 stop over exposed is a pretty big issue, I always over expose my Sony Cameras for the reasons you listed, so for it to not work is kind of disappointing.
Thanks!
I think the face detection while overexposed can be fixed with a firmware update. Love the Electronic Variable ND, this should be added to every camera, also the post stabilization data which should work with Abobes warp stabilizer. An IBIS on this camera would be great to work together with post stabilization and remove those steps. Full Frame 60p should be there from the start that is just sad.
So, off from the more-expensive-than-an-affordable-car-cameras - with what camera (camcorder) do I get the BEST image quality possible for about 2500-3000 USD?
-Needs at least 20x optical zoom, a 1" sensor and preferably 4K 50P/60P.
My main subject is filming fighter jets and air planes in general.
The Outro is the best
GU - same feel feel now knowing the ver 2 firmware update? oct maybe?