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While the VGU initiative in League of Legends has been successful for the most part, there are still a relevant amount of reworks that have aged poorly over the years, leaving them in either a frustrating or unsatisfactory state. Today we'll be discussing some of the "bad" reworks of League of Legends, and go through why they didn't do so well.
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i mean, irelia mains love the rework
i just miss the old Q sound
and its sasd that the balance team has no brain cells
Come on Vars did we really need a 15 minute video on why you think Skarner was more submissive before his rework.
What.
😂 what?
I don't understand 😅
Ayo?
I did understand his argument about the wait we've had to endure to finally see Oiled Up Skarner, got the rework before it was delivered
I badly miss Asol's balls. I wouldn't say I was great with Asol, but I did enjoy his play style, and I do not like the playstyle of his new Q.
Where are my balls, RIOT?
I miss his balls too uwu
same here! now Asol is a grounded stats checker with an execute.
New A sol is not engaging to play. Because of his new passive your whole gameplan is to farm until you're ultra tanky and deal 25% max hp per second with a 33% execute. Old A sol was so damn fun and demanded actual skill to handle his balls correctly
@@milothan-poirier570 Yeah it’s really a shame, I loved how his R used to line people up with his W too, and the minimum Q range made it so he had to be very aware of his positioning, now he just flies away mid-combat with Rylai’s and you can never touch him
Lmao, i literally just had a conversation with a friend about how they tried to fix yoricks uninteractive design... by reworking him. Yet he's still as (if not a little more) uninteractive than before. He's less of a lane bully i suppose, but it barely matters when you win lane against yorick anyways since he will just end up splitpushing all game.
90% top do that to be fair he is just a little bit more efficient.
Less of a lane bully? HAH
Every Yorick player, no matter mastery, just farms up ghouls and chucks E at you, chunking your HP if you’re not able to shield or heal.
And you’re 100% right when you say he’s less interactive. All Yorick players either sit under turret and chuck E at you, or they free farm and chuck E at you. He always outsustains you. Unless you’re Nasus.
@@sortilien2099 true, but for me this is a special case. Since they reworked him and he still has the same problems.
@@nicklasveva don't know man, old yorick just spammed his ghouls and you couldn't do anything. This new (current variation i should say) yorick has to actually hit an ability. As much as i love the old yorick (the damn bastard) he didn't have to hit anything on you.
@@TheMikeTrumpet to be honest, I don't think I ever played against a single Yorick pre rework in over 1300 hrs. So maybe I'm biased having only watched videos of him laning.
There are over 150 champions, and for some reason Riot thinks that if a champion has less than 1% pick rate that means they have to "fix" it
It is natural to have popular and unpopular champions,
There is no inherit reason to force a champion to be more popular.
Reworks should aim to fix problems in champion's kit, it shouldn't always aim for high pick rate
Yorick dealing too much damage with his slow E and ghouls => Riot solution = Nerf til unplayable. Meanwhile Yone and Ksante handshaking banging everything. LMAO
@@E_D___ for Riot it is all about SKINS. low pick rate means low skin sales!
It is normal for champions to have a popularity rating of less than 1% when Cait alone has 20% and Ahri alone has 20%. and Aatrox 10%
But 10 get picked every game
Man I miss my boy ASol so much. Haven't played him more than a handful of times ever since they reworked him.
He was so unique and was one of the only champions in the game that actually HAD to pay attention to his positioning.
Well, he still has to worry about positioning. Probably more so now than before.
@@zoramarslink5788 No way. He can be melee range now and still do damage. Old ASol absolutely HAD to make sure he was hitting enemies with his stars or he'd be useless.
Riot punished asol mains for their champ having a high skill ceiling and floor
@EddyConejo most ranged champions have to pay attention to their positioning in order to not die. Not to mention all the skills in the game where it matters on how you land them, like Darius/Lillia, Camille/Aatrox, Azir, etc.
@@zoramarslink5788 Yeah but unlike them his damage is a little more effective anyway, they have actual workings of positining, all he has to do now is hold a button and hope it does more damage.
Rather add burn inbetween positioning to add it overtime while keeping safety.
aurelion sol to me became a completely new champion, he doesn't feel like his old self anymore, even with the flight, that's the only thing left of him and even that doesn't feel the same because it's not a roaming tool anymore. overall they sacrificed his whole personality and Pretty passionate small group of a sol mains, for general audience so everyone can play him, but now he's so boring that i feel like nobody plays him
Imagine punishing the people for liking a champ YOU DESIGNED to have a high skill ceiling and then nerfing him every time players showed it
Idk I tried playing original Asol and his gameplay was just so annoying to me. It really did not live up to what a space dragon is to me just like what riot said they had an issue with. New asol does have a new ide ntity and it did sacrifice his original fanbase but I think it was for the better. His abilities are awesome now. Broken? Maybe but awesome and id rather fun and broken then boring and unintuitive
I feel like there’s actually a reason to play him now. Before he was clunky and unappealing, now he’s badass.
He is one of my favorite champs now. In fact his rework got me back into league
@@Murlocsluvmeat why not then fix the champion instead of sacrificing it's identity?
Asol on arena, when you get the star augment , and it becomes old asol Stars, combining with his new e and r, is so satisfying to play ! Like cant they do that, like you suggested? It genuinely feels nice to play, and they all synergise so well
my hope is they make a new champ with an ability simmiler to his balls,they dont even have to make them a midlane mage.
they could make them a lethality AD assassin jungler,i just want a champ to have his balls.
It would make the champ fucking broken, it would force him to be nerfed even further than he already has been since his launch and would force more of his power budget to be put into something people won’t like
Or they could take a look at IO and make him work like that, but no, we have to be clunky
Maybe I missed it, but have you looked into Soraka's rework? I still miss old Starfall and giving mana to teammates 😭
have you tried playing old soraka in the jungle back then ?
friends calling for a gank : Nurse ? I need mana and health please :D
t'was not very effective but it was fun x)
Her new one is better overall but I far preferred the old one, star fall all day for the win
I really miss old Starfall. It gives Soraka that fun battle mage feel while being a Support, which is rare to nonexistent for Supports nowadays. Now every Enchanter has to play in the backline or they risk getting blown up by damage creep.
A friend of mine always played soraka mid/top as his pocket pick. I was always dumbfounded when I saw the message he killed the enemy laner.
One for all Soraka was amazing back then. Good times...
Swain should be on here. He is in fact getting reworked again, due to his kit being very incoherent, and his E being a very bad spell
Totally agree about the mention of mordekaiser. The one we have now is no longer mordekaiser, is a new champion with a mordekaiser skin
Aatrox is the worst case of this. I miss my boy
Nah, I used to like old morde too (the one before the dragon bs), but new morde is simply a better version of him.
@@austinbrusenhan4068 Aatrox was really cool, I think it’s nice to have more top laners that rely on attack speed other than Kayle and Yone. The whole blood well mechanic was really cool, having to earn your revive, and the W toggle to sacrifice healing for damage is a really neat feature. Now champions one shot you anyway while healing and being invulnerable (Gwen) or have a whole bunch of other overloaded bs you don’t need hands for, that has little to no counterplay, making it frustrating to play against
@@ruschev2 modern mordkaiser is AP Darius
@dankmemes8254 Yep, except they made him even more boring and less cool somehow. They gutted my boy good. You know it's bad when the used-to-be number 1 Morde main quit the game after the rework. Shits tragic.
I miss old league so so sooooo much. All those old champions are just so nostalgic to me and I am still sad that they reworked Swain and Yorick, Kayle, Sion and especially Aatrox, like that. There isn't anything of their old identity left in modern league.
I also miss the old runes and masteries and stacking the same items twice or even thrice on some champions
I also love the old item icons. I wish we could play old League once more even if just for a day or two
you would love it until the nostalgia fades and you will then see how unbalanced it was. it was only so fun back then because everyone was so shit and nothing was figured out yet.
Talk about Malz? His rework got hyped but it just ended up being a huge damage nerf and a token defensive passive.
hyped how? also rip AD malz
Old Malz was so much better. Also, you weren't forced to only build AP, since the malz minions had AD scaling
I love new yorick, and I’ve gotten used to his jank. I think his primary problem is that bruiser just sucks on him. Ghouls get one shotted by everything, even if you go bruiser, so lethality is the only option
this is not true at all. bruiser is good in some scrappy matchup that invalidate your ghouls and kill you too fast like wukong and irelia.
I sure do miss Aatrox. I'd be rocking that dude in Arena on the daily, but now he sits, gathering dust in my collection
Vars talking about merging the new asol with his old stars is exactly what I think should’ve happened. His old kit’s main problem was the lack of control over people getting close to him, I think if they want to keep the dragon breath they could make it a flight only ability
Another reason, just to mention, Ryze was a nightmare was his durability back then combined with Spellvamp existing. It made his effective health really high just because of the spamming of spells getting him so much health back really quick.
I don’t think Kayle is bad I just think the game around her does fit her design. She is a champ that wants to farm and level up but late game now is 25 minutes. By the time she’s finally coming online the game is over. I also miss old Yorick he was fun to play. New Yorick feels like his ghouls were an after thought.
i dont think thats true most of my games are going above 30 mins and i ve had a few 1 hour ones . compared to season 13 in my experience games tend to last a bit longer
@@kano101435 Lots and lots and lots of FF15.
I'd trade some lategame power for early ranged attacks
She wasn't really ranged top scum when her range came in at level 11 unconditionally. Now that it's level 6, her players are scum
After thought? Bro most of the time I play against Yorick the Miaden and Ghouls are doing 90% of the damage, their the whole character basically.
as an old yorick player, he was significantly funner before the rework, each ability had a use and a purpose, new yorick is pretty boring...now you either A. Get stomped in lane so you split all game OR B. you stomp lane and teamfight AND splitpush
old yorick was fun to play but extremely frustrating to play against.
riot NEEDS to add ao shin to the game and just make it release asols kit. he was not super unpopular at launch and they deleted what was imo the most fun battle mage in the game. i honestly dont think his og kit would even be op in todays age
old Yorick has something most champions dont have. A truly unique and different experience every game, whilst being fun as hell
I absolutely despise the new Kayle design. She went from a menacing angel of justice to another generic Hot Girl™ who plays more like an annoying mosquito that evolves over the game.
I miss old Mord for having all his abilities referencing metal songs
I still dont understand the argument that reworks and vgus dont make the company money, as if Irelia, Fiora, Karma, Evelynn, Ahri, Akali, and Ezreal arent at least 10x more profitable now they look and feel incredible to play.
Survey the existing playerbase just before the rework. Look at the champs you mentioned, before they were reworked they already had sizeable playerbases so when you give them a glowup you're guaranteed a sizeable return on investment if you get it right.
Now look at Skarner, in what universe do you turn a profit with Skarner? Now look at Lee Sin and Teemo, you can smell the mint printing RP.
@@Hellothere-ss4jq Evelynn rework is dog shit. Removed everything fun from her kit.
Half of those characters were already popular before the reword
I loved old asol. He was never baned or heavily nerfed because of his pick rate. I could always play him and most players underestimated the roams and the dmg he had.
Landing a huge Q was even more epic than the new ult.
The rework is so boring, but I still play him out of the love I have for the Champion. It does not have anything that made him fun before.
I remember landing a 4 man giga Q in a baron pit and that felt so insane, sure he was shit early as well back then, but his gameplay didnt consist of just watching someone die while disintegrating their healthbar just with Q....
really ?i thought the old Q was pretty overwhelming because it only scaled up the radius. so the damage was always so shit for the effort.
@@idirbouchdoug1567 his main damage never was his Q back then. It was a stun to help hit your W on enemies. Q > W > ult > W was something you'd do for example.
His main damage laid in his W, and I think that was what people didn't get about him. He had a kiting playstyle where you'd max Q last and do short trades while you scaled up.
@@bramt2000 i meant underwhelming 😅
@@bramt2000 yeah , his Q barely did any damage.
I absolutely loved Ryze the moment I touched the champion, coming from an Aphelios main. He was fun, powerful, consistent and skill expressive - except for his ult having nothing to do with the rest of his kit and is dogshit in anywhere but highest pro, and the reward for full-iteming being blown up by a yasuo/adc with just half of your money. It's absolutely disgusting how little Ryze does compared to current Asol despite being arguably much harder to play, even Brand - who punishes enemies for piling on top of him - even Cass, who has much better kiting and single target damage. I just wish he could do anything else on ult - get a massive shield, spell vamp, even constant mana regen for a short time, move speed/burn after each spell flux - but he just doesn't do enough at all and feels so underwhelming. Riot should really do something about such an iconic champion being low pick rate despite having the potential to be the Garen of Mages
He must be reverted to his 8.9 version with 6 rank Q, 2 rank R and shields with single-target stacking E. This is the only way we save our blue Jesus from oblivion
@@ЯйцеславПаровозgood lord, he even remembers the exact patch 😭
yeah yoricks rework was a pretty tragic failure, its an extremely cool design, but they changed him from a lane bully that essentially never dies, to a splitpushing monster that statchecks anyone in the game if he has ult up, and his ult doesnt even have that long of a cooldown compared to other champs that are SUPPOSED to have more powerful ults, but in reality dont (like for real my boi has that 160/130/100 cooldown and he often builds a lot of cdr, so its usually at like a 70-60 sec cooldown when you have 4 items, whereas shen literally has to take ultimate hunter to get any value out of his ult more than once per game, which does less than yoricks ult
but also just a lil personal opinion on asol, they could literally just swap asol w and smolder e, then apply the stars on new asol flight (smolder e), it makes sense, it makes him more reliable to play, it doesnt force him to go one direction only and be countered by walking to the side, where on the other hand smolders e is only really needed for him to either make an escape or catch up to someone while he weaves in q's and w's while auto attacking, meaning he would still benefit pretty massively even if the flights were swapped
the difference is that yorick is massively weaker withoit R while shen R doesnt affect his fighting if he doesnt have it . and it's also a guaranteed save /potential bait in any early /mid game skirmish. It is one of the few abilities from a toplaner that could actually influence bot and mid lane .
Also maiden could be very easily shut down provided the enemy players are not dumb. The jungler could gank you and then they could just focus the maiden as you are retreating and even smite her and kill her pretty easily if they have any cc. and now you are reduced toa canon minion for 2 mins.
11:22 I totally agree. When i started playing league about 2 years ago i loved old asol, but i was still a noob so i played other champs to get the hang of the game. I started to main a more difficult and underperforming champ because i liked her design and playstyle (just like old asols) this was when Taliyah got reworked. It was known back then already that an asol rework was coming so i didnt feel there was any point in learning him just for it to be useless later.
I love his voice lines, his model is amazing and his character concept is stellar. He is just soo boring to play and imo has kayle syndrome
A friend bet that I wouldn’t main Asol when I first played, got him m7 like the day before or day after the rework and never touched him again due to how much I hated it.
The Irelia rework has to be one of the dumbest things Riot has done.
Old Irelia was in a near perfect spot where she was beginner friendly but also had enough going on in her kit to draw in higher level players. Then Riot decided to make the "better nerf Irleia" meme an actual reality as her rework is a hot mess that's either completely unfair or completely useless depending on the patch... They literally removed one of the best bridge characters for learning the game to create a balance nightmare for themselves, it's so dumb.
I would increase Irelia's q cooldown. Just give her a window where if she messes her q resets you can counterattack. Now if she misses it's like it doesnt matter with her 5 s cooldown, she's about to jump on you or heal back up through spamming q in no time after she messed up the resets, it makes canceling her q through well timed cc and predictions feel so bad because it just doesnt matter.
No disrespect but if you complain about Irelia youre either low low elo or Play against Irelking in KR challenger
@@Ireliairan Low emerald, i wouldn't say that's high elo but wouldn't say it's low low elo either lol. I don't think giving her windows when she is at a disadvantage is anything crazy. You can zone her out and deny her passive, but you expose yourself to ganks and the second that happens your advantage goes out the window and irelia has a monstruos advantage state. And when she gets vampiric scepter and mr or ad boots crashing the wave on her tower your advantage also flies away because she gets passive and healed back up, you can't zone her out anymore. I think she should be more punishable if played correctly against her, not anything crazy. She's not really an issue in TF but her laning phase is very frustrating to deal with. And it's a general consensus to the point where it's memed on. I think you are in the wrong and my complain is very legitimate.
nah low emerald is good. Weird i normally only see gold or below complain about Irelia out of all the champs
But i get your point if the irelia plays it right the laning phase can be annoying, but you have less pressure than her cause you know you gonna prob outperform her in teamfights
I disagree with irelias rework mostly because i think you missed one main thing about reworks.
Those old champs were eating their respective creative space.
Lets use Aatrox as an example. Greatsword weilding being of death is a hugely applicable thematic that a lot of people would enjoy. But does old Aatrox feel like hes weilding a greatsword? Not really, but he was still eating the thematic space. Nocturn is another example of this. He doesnt really hit the horror of the shadows thematic with his kit, and if he was reworked they might not preserve parts of his current kit just for nostalgia when that would defeat the purpose of making an actual horrors of the dark themed champ.
To my point irelia feels way more like a blade dancer now where as before she felt more like a muscle brawler akin to Vi or Jarvan.
But thats just my 3 cents.
Yeah I love Irelia’s rework too, it adds a lot more skill expression and counterplay to her kit. The only issue is her passive + Bork absolutely deleting you when she shouldn’t be strong enough to, I wish she had less on-hit damage and relied more on needing to hit her abilities or something. It’s like how Yone and Yasuo were with Lethal Tempo, running you down with just autos, not even needing to Q..
I agree with this, except with the part about old aatrox, he never was intended to be using a big sword, he was a demon-thing artisan of war who used a way thinner sword that he uses know (and he did lift it with just one hand) the actual aatrox could fit perfectly his old style, the only mistake was making him Riven 2.0
@@obsessedwithcats exactly this, also I would mention the fact that Irelia (and other champions like yone and yasuo to be fair) shouldn't be able to build any tank item like jak'sho just because they already have they "two damaging items"
@@giovannicampostrini6309 new Aatrox feels like his older brother that came and said 'stop stinging them like a bee and make place for big boys, i'll show you how to flat them to the ground', but why he's so ugly;/ Besides explanation that it was boring is dull, he had a attack range (475 afair)/dmg buff on ult, but Kayle has it permanent and on steroids...and she somehow isn't played in pro and Aatrox actually was
@@model84 nah, totally the opposite, new aatrox feels like his the bratty spoiled younger brother who blames everyone for what he has passes through, old aatrox did have a way cooler personality, the new one is just overputting things on the champ thinking it would make him cooler like "yeah make him more angry, bigger and with a bigger sword" but in the end it just feels meh
OKAY OKAY OKAY we don't have to crap on my main man Yorick like that, he is the only Champ of his kind. Pretty much a Summoner Class that is a True summoner, not just the Ult
7:50 Having Maiden be threatened by focusing agro on a target under tower is good design, if you could control maiden better it would be unfair to play against.
8:00 If he was limited by summoning them actively, that would limit how many he could summon as quickly.
8:15 Takes time to set up is a frustration? No that's how he plays. He is slow and weak on his own and snowballs like crazy, his minions always die in one auto attack and maiden isn't that hard to kill. The difficulty of controlling the Maiden and Ghouls is a balancing factor that makes it to where the enemy laner can play around him. If we had the agility to command Maiden and Ghouls, Yorick would be Pick or Ban or nerfed into the ground.
You understand that current maiden and to a lesser degree the ghouls stats are so op BECAUSE they suck so much? Even Anni/Ivorn are more reliable and therefore more succesful as summoners. Not even talking about Asir.
Hell if you like yoricks summons so much Malzahar must be also on that list, right?
I realy can just roll my eyes when i read peoples comments, where you can clearly see that the person is incapable to look beyond there own two feet.
And what made me comment is what grinds my gears even more is when those people get even one "like".
Professional shit eaters
@@TheBall12 lol it's not that serious my guy
@@TheBall12league shitters when someone has a different opinion to theirs
Tell me, please tell me that Galio was gunna be covered.
Don't give me wrong he is completely functional now and very fun BUT not in comparison to his OLD version! 😢
😂
Old Yoric >>> New Yoric
Old Yoric was my main. It was fun, simple, had various build paths and had almost infinite team battle variations.
New Yoric is boring, has only two build paths and it is always played the same.
Skarner after his first rework >> Current Skarner
I played Skarner as a support as a counter to any other melee support. It was great fun and beyond viable.
Old Aatrox >> Current Aatrox
Old Master Yi > Current Master Yi
AP Yi got outright erased.
Old Fiddlesticks > Current Fiddlesticks
Supportsticks was also outright erased.
Old Kayle > New Kayle
Old Pantheon > New Pantheon
Almost every rework Riot does it a failure. Only successful rework Riot ever done was Urgot (and maybe also Warwick with Sion).
Yorick’s ghoul mechanics need some smoothing over but aside from that he’s not really *that* bad imo
I got into league just a few weeks ago and as soon as I saw Irelias kit, after thinking I prefer ranged mages in this game, I instantly saw how fun she could probably be. I come from OW where I main genji and the similarities with the dash resets immediately caught my eye. It’s a tough learning curve cause with all the matchups, systems, items runes etc in league, but when you get everything to work and mark multiple enemies… damn her current kit is satisfying
I miss volibears flip so much...
Bias up front, I was one of the few people who old asol really clicked with. But new asol sucks balls. He's like veigar ult became a champion. Not fun to play as or against. Personally, I think all old asol really needed was passive ghosting. The most frustrating part of playing him was minions pushing you out of range during ur w. Getting rid of that would've made him tolerable for the people who loved him, less intimidating to pick up as a new player, and most importantly wouldn't mean getting rid of a playstyle you cannot find anywhere else. Don't get me wrong, he'd still have a reasonably low pickrate, but there's 150+ champs in league, there's obviously room on that roster for niche champions.
I'm glad someone else has noticed that he could reasonably pass as a Veigar VGU I was the same.
As a Mundo main, I like what they did with his rework. They kept most of his kit the same, but now he has an actual passive
Ik it got its own video but I will never forgive the Swain rework
I am a main of new asol and I have some thoughts
On one hand, his current iteration is super fun and satafying, along with being very thematically enriching, but in the other, i cannot help but think that maybe a more skill expressive version of his current version would have been better. Maybe the amount of stars he has would scale with his stardust and every third hit could work
Like the burst on his current Q
easy fix on aurelion sol: (Edit: i wrote this comment before watching the aurelion sol part XD)
keep his orbiting stars and old W but merge it into one ability, where at lvl 0 he has 0 stars orbitting him, and level up gives him one, 3 lvl 2, and 5th 3
keep his new flight, it's fine
keep his new passive
keep his new E and R
he really doesn't need his stupid breath attack
make it so if you hit 3 orbs you deal extra damage but it works in a way that if you miss, the 3 stack passive resets so it adds a reward to positioning good, keeps his old dynamic playstyle while being useful with the new spells
the reason why they never added more stars for old asol is because it does wonky things for your DPS. if he goes from one star to two it literally doubles his damage output for example. it makes for extremely sharp and frustrating powerspikes that are hard to balance around.
What if they used the stars, in conjunction with the stacking passive. Each stack giving the stars a slightly increased rotation speed (a teeny tiny amount). It would not be too hard to balance properly either.
FOr most of the "failed" reworks, it just felt like they needed more time to cook.
Another sizeable midscope would help those champs out a LOT.
With Yorick, for example, the biggest problem is that his Ghouls almost feel like a seperate part of his kit. The thing that makes lethality yorick fun is that his ghouls feel fun - and ghouls are the coolest part of his kit. A proper follow up to yorick would be trying to combine his ghoul and juggernaut playstyles. He also has just aged badly as splitpushing as a strategy has aged kinda horribly.
Some champs, like Galio, just need a proper touch up - less than a midscope, but more than a somewhat involved patchnote. All those lukewarm number changes they do to him dont solve any problems satisfyingly.
But there are also some examples of the rework just introducing a lot of(actually pretty obvious) problems: Kayle is a good example. Hyper latregame focused champs do not work well in league, as they are too polarizing. Riot realized that and pulled a lot of lategame power out of kayle in favor of midgame power... but at that point, they shouldve asked themselves "Cant we do something better with Kayle, now that being a lvl 16 carry isnt the only thing she can do?".
I still find Akali to be just egregious. I mean, she is at her worst in toplane, but she has the big problem of having all cards in hand - a good enough akali "outplays" all of her weaknesses(Think I even heard a rioter recently talking about that) - that's a design fail, cause that will forever dictate her balance state.
I cant believe you didnt mention the Rell rework. Literally ruined the champion.
old Yorick was fine, he just needed a kit modernization. Give him hard cc maybe on W and some mobility like a conditional dash on E like azir and he will slide right in.
Talking about champions who had their previous identity removed in exchange for a rework and not mentioning Poppy or Mordekaiser (both of his reworks) feels like a crime. They changed Poppy from this Juggernaut to a full tank with any attempt at going full damage being nerfed in some regard if it even has the chance to exist. While Mordekaiser had that happen to him twice. Being changed from his original version to a bot laner for some reason then again with his vgu to something that really isn't even slightly close to either version except you can sometimes have metal floating around you.
Gangplank. Avarice blade stacking critplank was hilarious. The barrels are just op.
As a person that plays mostly lethality yorick mid I feel offended
I miss old Asol, I would return to the game if I could get those rotating stars again
As an old asol main, THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE SAME OPINION I FEEL LIKE IM GOING INSANE BEING THE ONLY ONE TO FEEL THIS WAY i hate his Q his kit feels so stat-checky “hold q and if the enemy does less damage than you they die trying to kill you while you hold Q so skill expressive” i hate the optimal way to play around it is with dinky q-tap poking just let me kite and space with his stars riot PLEASE
Unpopular opinion: Skarners rework is horrible.
Phreak 🤡
Never forget old Aatrox and old Evelynn. Straight up deleted 2 champions from the game.
Old Old eve was cancer bad
Old eve was cancer good.
Imagine A Champ That Has An Orbit Passive Like Old Asol. Maybe A Robot Champ With Drones That Orbit And Act As Very Small Hitbox Spell Shields That Can Tank An Enemy Skillshot.
On old asol q, I feel if they made it where you can hold q and his stars will rotate in an elipse following your cursor up to a certain range and had his stars rotate a little faster when he wasn't just hold using q would have helped him while not killing his whole character
I usually hate mage but i had a lot of fun playing old aurelion sol 😢i miss him
The problem with the Kayle rework is that they took a champion who had four mediocre but fine abilities and a mediocre but fine passive and gave her four slightly less mediocre abilities and a completely awful passive. If Kayle didn't have her terrible passive she'd still be fine: she'd still have her build capabilities of being played as a top laner, ADC, or even a weird hybrid support akin to Senna. But currently Kayle doesn't do anything until she hits level 6 which means she's locked out of any lane other than top.
Old Morde (Post S5 Bruiser Update) - literally just needed current Morde's E and fixing the spaghetti code ult in order to be a cool champ. RIP drake ghostie
Bro I can’t watch old asol clips it actually makes me too sad
i always was so frustrated with riot for completely removing his passive
the way they could've just brought his new E and R and made passive still endlessly skaling on stars
giving him extra star on every 50 stacks, capping at 8 stars and after just increasing the max health % dmg of the passive
I would argue that old Yorick wasn't that bad. A stat check champ able to hide his true power until he goes all in actually allows some interesting baiting. I had a lot of fun hitting people with a knowledge check on a character they are not used to fight
I would rather they go back and remove Yone, I have a recording where Yone chased me past THREE Turrets and killed me. I DODGED EVERYTHING Yone threw at me, I dodged his Q knock up, I dodge his ult, if I could doge it I evaded it.
Old Mordekaiser and Swain were my favorite champs. I played them a ton and now I can't find anyone to main since they're gone.
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Just a silly idea, but thinking about it it might just work. With the show Arcane Rito added the paralel world feel/impression, and with Zilean and Ekko being time manipulators they can launch a new event, where a chrono disaster caused past versions of reworked champions to show up. Either have them as playable characters, or enemy, or both. Imagine old AP Sion vs today's HP harvesting hulk.
Old Asol but with Singularity on his Q would've been so good man... I don't care that we lose a stun, the slow and pull is way more fun to use and would work perfectly with his orbiting stars. I also would've kept his old ult, maybe reduce the range and the cooldown to give him more of a peel potential
Ngl, i think irelia was one of the best reworks! Old irelia was as you said, a diver, one and done. That really doesn't work when you think about it. That made irelia more of a tanky assassin (that takes 4x longer to get the kill) than a fighter, not to talk about her R being prob the worst super in the game. new irelia was defenetly too juiced, but it ain't as bad anymore. The rework actually gave her abilityes other than a *melee point and click* (can't think of anything more boring than that xD) and actually made her fun. Also, you are a monster with passive up, and it CAN have infinite uptime but it also has some setup, almost like Lilia's ms, forcing you to borderline setup a setup (like, preping a low minion backline for an insta max passive just in case you or the enemy laner starts a fight). It has a fun interactive early game, and its a monster late if you get ahead. It sounds OP until you remember champs like Jax are in the same class of tanky with great sustain both in health and dmg.
You're not alone on the A-Sol comment Vars. I had that same thought about the kit and old stars shortly after his rework dropped.
PLEASE MAKE THAT A SOL CHANGE!! I loved playing old A Sol because of that exact focus on positioning that it forced. They ABSOLUTELY went too far in removing the stars, you are not alone
Old Yorick could have been a great support champ. People slept on his potential.
Nerf Irelia: -5 Movement Speed. If you remember you remember.
better nerf Irelia
@@model84 it wasnt this, but was shortly after ehr rework that she was insnaely OP and the comunity begged Riot for a nerf. and that was the nerf.
It would be cool if you made a long form video detailing their life. It would be a lot of effort but it would add a whole new layer to them. Short form might work better depending on whatever you feel like. Anyway cool cat
I love your videos but you need to mumble less/get a better microphone. It's really difficult to understand you sometimes.
I think the problem is talking about champion identity, like what is champion identity?
I think most often champion identity is getting confused with champion fantasy, which is just a part of the identity.
For example besides the fantasy, you also have power spikes, is it late game champion or is a lane bully? That is something they recently messed up with Corki forexample, changing the identity of the champion.
As an old Irelia main, for me the new irelia is more stat checking then the old one. Do you have your passive stacked? You most likely win.
On top of that they messed with identity, now Irelia is a level 1 monster if she can get her passive, before she was really strong at level 4 and especially 5 which made her quite unique in power spikes. Another thing I dislike heavily is the minion modifier on the Q, the Q now deals additional damage against minions making her Q feel weak against champions and makes it harder to actually execute someone with it for the reset. Like they could have made Irelia Q do the old amount of damage while if she dashes to a marked target deals way less damage, like 80% less.
Generally I would like to just see an update on her kit, more towards her old kit in terms of identity. But I feel like that will never happen as most old irelia players probably moved on to different champions.
I miss old ASol so much. He was my favorite mage to play if I wasn't against like Talon, Leblanc, or Zed
the w change gave xin zhao more target access, but moving the atk speed steroid to the dash interferes with said target access. If the knockup went to dash and the atk speed went to q empowered autos, he could at least choose whether to empower himself against the melee infront of him, or the marksman he's trying to space to.
I feel like yorick all it needs is a rework on his ulti..... instead of his mistress wandering around she should be attached to Yorick doing range dmage and so on , the way I'll modified his ulti would be if you press it again you can send the mistress to any direction if it comes in contact with a champion it will stun him for 2 sec and she will stay in that area doing range dmage , if you press it again while she is stationary she will fly back to Yorik giving you a temporary shield that last for 3 sec or until is destroyed, if she pass through allied champions or Yoriks ghols on her way to Yorik they will alse get a shield but for only 2 sec, you can cast this ability every 10 , the mistress hp goes down every sec (-5hp) while she is active an other only way to keep her alive is with Yoriks Q wish will regen some of the hp lost
Idk if it's mentioned in this video but I miss old Galio, or at least his old ult, was such an epic ultimate
As much as something like Aurelion Sol did take away his identity, same with Aatrox, hot take but there is one major reason I can't consider them bad:
They actually got people to play a once forgotten and ignored champion and put them in a more public choice pool. Wah wah no more balls, wah wah Aatrox was good the single patch before rework, it doesn't matter. These champs are ACTUALLY played now. Shouldn't we appreciate THAT part? They feel less clunky to play and are way more accessible. Hell, Aatrox hasn't been unemployed on Pro-Play since his rework...c'mon now, why are we whining this much about something that people SAID they wanted.
Plus so many people seem disingenuous to me when complaining about the loss of old ASol. Literally more people complain about it than people played it and it's not even close.
Not to mention old ASol was actually bad for the game with how oppressive he was whenever he was strong with his fast waveclear and his super fast roams right from the start of the game.
Who cares about pick rates?
There are over 150 champions, it is only natural that some of them would be unpopular.
In Aatreox case, the kits are so different from each other to the point that they could have released the rework as a different champion.
The only thing they have in common is the fact that they heal while fighting. But if that is a reason for them to not coexist - what about Warwick? He also heals while fighting, why does he coexist with Watreox?
Actually Aatrox was played in top and in jungle before rework, even in his 'mess up' state
@@E_D___ The problem i have with this philosophy is that typically this only ever applies to Aatrox.
Do you feel like this about Evelynn, Galio, or any other rework where the kit was completely changed?
yorick has 4 briars with him and can only control what they use q on occasionally
The problem with the new asol the his q is a channeling ability means you can't move during it the old asol had a lot of mobility because his w used to give me movement speed and old asol was more better then the new one
Funny thing with Irelia is that she is really matchup dependent espacially on top. While Riven, Camille and Fiora can all jump towards the enemy or away Irelia can only go in if there isnt a random minion wave that gives her an out. She has to commit to fights. I guess thats also the reason she has been better in mid lately as the matchups there are better
I still miss the old York. Playing AP for lifesteal was pretty dumb lol
Garen OTP: I actually think Kayle comes online a lot earlier than people give her credit for, at least she has a lot more agency than her reputation imply. She's similar to Mundo during 1-6 vs melee champs, using her poke and movespeed buff to try to gain an advantage while keeping good spacing. And once she hits 6 she basically turns into a ranged top laner making it very easy for her to farm. And she doesn't need to kill her opponent to gain a lead, simply going Even in CS for the first 10 minutes means she's gaining an advantage.
I hate playing against Kayle because when she is played right it's relatively easy for her to have a safe easy laning phase while securing good CS. At the same time, her mere presence in game places the pressure on her opposing laner to make the most of her weak 1-6 to try to get a significant lead, and to snowball that lead enough by minute 25 to have essentially won the game, because the longer the game goes on there is always the threat that kayle will reach 1v9 scaling potential.
add rell. from a rell main her whole personality disappeared with her tether
Literally NONE of them aged poorly, the list should be named reworks that vars personaly didnt like for his own reasons
While I like the new Aurelion Sol quite a bit, I definitely miss his old stars. If they just swapped out his breath attack for the orbs it would work I think. It's a cool kit as is, but it doesn't feel like Aurelion Sol, or a star dragon other than the vfx.
Yorick is truly a balance nightmare lol. I think it might be salvageable if maiden and the ghouls could be commanded, but landing E (or some other ability) gave them a buff. Would definitely alleviate a lot of the feeling of not being able to control your main damage output, and the numbers could be tweaked from there to bring stuff in line.
When I played this game, I main old Irelia, and I like that the rework made become More Irelia. Before if your ADC bumped into her they were just dead. Now if it's half the team there's a good chance she still kills two champions and walks away.
I am still bitter about the heim rework ages ago. His old ult was a gem and I just don't like how his turret lasers feel, sure they hit hard, but the predictability and avoidability of it is in the end a nerf in my eyes. His w and e though, fine changes, his passive, still kinda dumb, but was funny being able to heal damaged towers.
Is it possible to vgu modern champs?
Yorick and Mord are two champions that I prefer their older iteration over the new ones. I miss summoning Omens with Yorick and using his ult as a surprise I'm not dead yet. Mord was more enjoyable for me back when he was hybrid abomination that could steal dragon souls.
Okay Ryze thing i agree wtih, but Kayle I hard disagree. The reason why the old Kayle was either OP or shit was her old E basically giving her a 37.5 CDR requirement to function. Any build that could not reach that was automatically shit. There is a lot more build variety nowadays and yeah, sure she is maybe worse off early game than she was before, but as you said yourself, the thematics are much stronger and her playrate in general as much higher than before.
And speaking of thematics: Irelia was like the most miss executed version of her concept in League. She did not feel like someone with floating blades. She had an extremely toxic mechanic with her E, that was not just not fun to fight but also had absolutely no realistic counterplay besides "Don't be losing already". The VGU finally turned her into a blade dancer, that feels like you have a bunch of floating blades. There are some issues with her of course, but those are strongly related to itemization, which you can see because everytime they touch it, Irelia's winrate fluctuates very strongly.
i feel like new irelia has a really compelling mechanical and thematic fantasy and is really fun to play, but i think she can be really frustrating because she feels like shes playing late game after hitting one item. i think if her ult rank ups gave her q dash speed and it was slower 1-5 than it is now but scaled harder instead of flat CD, she mighjt feel like she has a period of time where shes notably weaker but play into her hyper scaler fantasy, while still keeping the door open for creative play cause her abiilities still work the same. it would also mean that her q cd would matter late game and if she misses a reset or uses it to just keep up theres a real punishment, playing up her finesse fantasy(gotta perform perfectly). currently irelia feels like she can stat stick you from 200 range even if she misses 1 q because it gets down to like a 3-4 second cd. she super scales with items and levels and snowballs really hard because her kit gives her everything(attack speed, on hit, damage reduction, cooldown) on top of her scaling really hard with gold (she hits a lot of q's on people which scale with total ad and do auto damage(which also scales from her on hit from her passive and if she builds sheen) she has a mastery fantasy of fighting the perfect dance and being a one person army but her kit's padding just means she gets to take increasingly unfair fights and come out on top instead of it just being impressive that she killed 1 person in the first place while outnumbered
yorick is like playing against oddjob in golden eye 64
I personally feel like problematic champions which are broken by design or break the fundementals of the game should be receiving reworks.
It's understandable certain older champions still look awful and feel bad to play, but as long as they don't break the game in an unfair way, there'll be some people who gravitate towards such simpler/unpopular champs.
The issue with many of these is adding a LOT of extras for simple issues.
Ryze: His theme is simply "i am main character" and they need tk focus it. Make him less tanky if needed to make him the omega spam mage that can do devastating combos, or make him tanky and less focused on CC for exchange of damage, like most other battle mages. The LeeSin design is his issue (Mage, Assassin, Tank, Support, Jungler, Fighter joke)
Kayle: Make ult feel better to use and make more interactive. They didnt need to change her passive.
Yorick: His ghouls make him uninteractive. Solution: Limit the ghouls but keep them uninteractive? Make it am ability that gives him bonuses if they are alive (so killing them has bonus value)?
A Sol: Shouldnt have been reworked imo. At most, just his passive getting a QoL to bot have a blind spot in melee would have done enough.
Irelia: Her power isnt always obvious. Solution: SHES ALEAYS FUCKING STRONG. I play Irelia and acknowledge shes an issue. Im unsure how to fix the current one. Her dashes are an issue, but that IS her whole thing.
This is something I was just talking with my sister regarding Aurelion Sol. His old passive MUST be reinstated. In my opinion, here's what I would do to fix Aurelion:
Regain old passive and Q.
Retain current W, E, and R.
That said, I like the idea of making Center of the Universe his new Q mixed in with his W toggle.
The neutering of Asol is probably one of the worst things Rito has done to a champ
i feel like with irelia they only needed to change her E into the E we have now a days and the champ would be fine, since it gives her more potential in team fights but also giving her a fair amount of counterplay specially if you dont maintain the Q reset
her old stun was longer than 2 sec, now the stun is not even the annoying part she has stupid healing and mobility
lmao Vars saying "I miss the boops" when 1 year ago he said the rework was good
Maybe the league community is starting to miss the ASol that took skill, was respectable and was unique ? Took yall 1 year but hey we got there congrats
I agree on Asol - but I really dont think old Irelia was better -I played her excessivly - but not anymore after rework - but I still share the opinion that her rework made her a better champ.
Kayle was the first champion I ever played back in season 2. While I never mained her, the rework felt like I lost something special"
pls make a video about the big class updates back then when they reowrked adcs, assasins, mages. Would be so nice to see cuz alot of the reworks got reverted