The History Of Reworks That FAILED In League Of Legends
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ม.ค. 2023
- Throughout League's entire history, many champions were reworked or reimagined to have a more healthy, modernized, and engaging playstyle. For the most part, the majority of them have turned out for the better, but there were a few that turned out so bad that they actually had to get REVERTED (or in some cases reworked again). Today we'll be going through some of League's Failed Reworks!
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Vars you made a slight error about the attack speed cap. Jinx had her attack speed cap removed during her passive way before belveth was even conceptualized as a champ.
Is Jinx a woman? Literally unplayable now
@@yamiyamigorogoro5739 well i mean maybe league of legends takes place in 1930?
Please Vars I beg you, if the Aurelion Sol rework goes through don't delete your "why no one plays Aurelion Sol"
"why no one played pre-rework Aurelion Sol"
@@garbagemane6575 played
I'm assuming there'll be a "what's up with ASol" video a la (Vars II reference incoming) the Kokomi update post 3.x
This guy said "if" ☠️
@@charmelos1431 “played” 🤓
I think Yone should be reverted to his pre-release state.
Pre pbe state
I agree but with his brother instead
True af
@@Jynx9921 nah, Yas are easy clap. Yonk can always have impact, his engage CC is simply way better
@@TheRealAquaz things of being an Hypercarry Assasin/Bruiser with a lot of burst damage and sustain damage, shield, true damage, hard CC and easy engage
Reworked Leblanc's damage was ridiculous when you could apply it, but let's not also forget how the 1.5 sec activation time on Sigil of Malice also often meant that past mid game, you'd get shredded before having a chance to proc it.
She was legitimately the worst assassin at killing [not underfed] Marksmen at this time. Truly was a weird rework.
It wasn't that bad, it just wasn't Le Blanc so she tanked heavily on popularity, she was in fact stronger due to having A LOT of safe waveclear at all stages of the game.
@@Lecheconplatanoxd I mean, she had plenty of other strengths to compensate for that one weakness, so no, she obviously wasn't bad.
She was just _really weird_ as a concept, and as you said, just not Leblanc anymore.
The key part of LB rework was not her damage but her wave clear.
Good players were capable to completely clear a wave with 2 spells and go roam top\bot with no real loss.
She created an insane amount of pressure mid because she would always be the first to be able to help if a fight broke out.
@@francesco8000 dont forget the Gunblade interaction. the spellvamp was balanced by reducing it on aoe abilities but her Q+Passiv interaction was counted as single target so she would heal insane amounts of a single minions wave.
and yet i miss her more than anything else in this game
As an A. Sol player, I had lived with the reworks and the nerfs. I hated them but I still had the A. Sol that I loved playing since his release. Now with the CGU I've realized that nothing like him will exist in league again.
Same here, 400k worth of mastery into the trash
that's rough man i only play him from time to time but he is really fun when your not getting your shit pushed in. I would have hoped they would preserve the playstyle but it looks like they have just given up. A cool idea for his w would have been being able to aim it from its max distance to even closer then they usually are and the closer you aim the w the faster the stars spin that way having someone on top of you doesn't just make w useless.
old mordekaiser main is here bro
I am not looking forward to it and probably won't play asil anymore after the cgu. The star management is what I find fun about the champ, once they are gone what's the point.
And im Happy about that, i've played with him since release and always thinked that this wasnt It for him...he was just to weak to go in the middle of a fight and do damage with his stars..
Even more now with so much mobility and assassins that can bypass your stars and completely nullify them..
It's funny how you can see an Aurelion Sol in every in-game footage Vars could find about each champion's rework.
I don't know why Riot never made ASol's W a toggle again, a lot of people told me that's why they stopped playing him. Also Riot removing his orbiting stars seems like blasphemy
they are too stubborn
because he didn't sell skins.
normies can't play OG Asol and normies have the money.
that's the only reason low playrate could be considered an issue.
Toggle Sol was very unhealthy for the game. Many high elo mid laners complained, and rightfully so, about how uninteractive and elo inflated the champ is with toggle W. On paper it sounds good being able to keep the W at max range for a while and kite while fighting but in reality a big part of toggle W's strength was the perma shove it provided. Asol players would press W and shove the wave and then instantly roam with E (mind you at the time E gave movement speed so he didn't even need to activate it and instead could just move down the river very fast). The champ was also deemed to be an extreme dissapointment from the community. Asol is one of the champions who players stop playing completely after a few games. There's nothing wrong with a champion who is unpopular but when then the champion is unpopular due to disappointment and not just a lack of clicking with them, it's a kit that needs to be changed
People who want old toggle are clueless to how strong toggle Asol actually was. The champ just perma shoves, wins almost every 1v1 early game (so you can't contest minions), and impacted all lanes. There is a good reason he was changed.
@@bobthebuilder6521 the only people who want the old toggle are former asol mains and that's exactly why they want it. But I find the new w more fun to play with even if it's weaker for management, it's stronger in a fight specially cause of the ms boost when you retract stars
What you forgot to mention is that Leblanc's rework was played gunblade during that time. She'd get back half of her health while one shotting a wave. This made her one of the best side laners. She'd come in, clear the full wave in a sec and look for flanks
I miss utility Garen. A point and click silence and armor shred meant that he could go in, mark a target, and then his team could follow up. That version was far healthier than the current version where you have to invest into damage items and just stack move speed because for some reason the utility tank needed damage stats to be tied to their utility.
Current Garen be like: Haha figdet spinner goes brrrrrr
Turret'Maw was so fun to play when it was there, I loved it and was really sad to see it go.
Don’t forget, Kog’Maw’s rework didn’t just tweak his W. His R changes severely gimped the AP build’s viability by locking away his highest range ability for targets above half HP essentially.
Talk about the forgotten rework of Xerath pls
Attempt 3
I actually started playing leblanc during her rework. I fell in love with her play style and when they reverted it I was nervous I would lose the enjoyment from my main but to this day she remains my most played champ.
i miss the "old" leblanc so much, it was the most fun i had with league in 9 years of playing it, her late game was literally trash, but it was so fun i didn't care at all
Fun fact when i was working in development team on tencent under the riot when Asol was created his passive was when he hit 150/250/500 ap 1 star will be spawned he can get a maximum of 6 stars it wasn't op at start but there are a lot of complicated bugs with it so they decided to tone down the stars
I like old Swain more than the current one. New Swain has better graphics and better skins, but he is a strange mix of burst mage and DOT mage. Old Swain was only a DOT mage, but had a healing so powerful that he could out-sustain Aatrox, Irelia and Vladimir, also his old playstyle felt more like the "Noxian Tactician" than the New Swain.
That R+R clone spawn combo was good actually on Leblanc. I would still want it in the game 😁
Malzahar I feel is a champion that would be better reverted to his pre season 6 self, his passive has eaten so much of his power budget and exaggerates the "R-bot" stigma he's had for ages, he has lost base stats(most importantly 50 auto range and 5 ms), damage, voidlings existing, and an entire ability(a really cool one too) all to keep that damn passive. His R is actually a pretty fair ability most of the time, being the only cc spell in the game to cc himself but because of the spellshield the usual counterplay of interrupting the r ceases to exist because now you have to delay that cc and by then his target is dead. The only thing I'd think would be worth to keep from old Malz is the e refresh minigame, that was cool, the current q silence duration is also significantly fairer but as of now Malzahar's kit has been reduced from a strong DOT mage with zone control that could singlehandedly win sieges to.. get bullied early game, wave clear spam at LC, press r. All to keep the spellshield.
You totally forgot Khazix ult rework! They changed it from tripple cast to turning invisible upon entering a bush, which made evolve ult ganking much more effective as you enter the lane invisible and still had ult.
Yeah, that was awesome
How was that failed
@@marthvader14 because it was removed from the game
It also didn't help that duskblade at that time only procs after being out of enemy sight.
I remember 2 things also about the Kog'Maw rework. Jungle Kog'Maw with devourer became a thing for a while, if I remember correctly he had an insane clear speed. Also Kog'Maw players actually did learn to kite with him by abusing "ZX" method which was pretty hard to IIRC but possible. Very interesting rework
The change Singed need :
1) His poison apply healing reduction ;
2) His ult gives percentage max health damage.
Singed was designed to be an anti-carry but nowadays, with all the mobility, all the healing and stuff, he is most of the time useless.
Re-casting him as an anti-healing champ would allow him to be useful again (just like Vex is designed to be an anti-mobility mage). The percentage max-health damage of his ult would help him to deal with the tank toplaners.
remove the grounded cc and make is so he cant ramp movespeed as well as now and make his clouds not work with rylai's...he is a niche pick few people can play him well but when u meet some1 who play him regularly he is just plain fucking annoying
The second change would actually be a good idea if the apbuff was removed, so its not too much damage
I think he's fine the way he is, but i'm probably one of the few people who likes to play him, plus i don't play a lot and i'm not high elo
@@nicolasdinant9616
He's my main, but I don't play a lot too, and I don't play ranked.
But still : he does too little damage for a mage, isn't beefy enough for a tank, and his move speed is useless against high mobility champs. The truth is, as much as I love his kit, he is outdated.
Unless you play perfectly (or unless your ennemy is braindead), you can't do much against a Morde, an Aatrox, a Mundo, a Fiora etc.
@@exoblade7620
Early game Singed is useless : he has no HP, his poison deals no damage (which makes it difficult to farm and makes him lose every early trade) ... The grounded CC requires skills (contrary to a Morgana or Lux cage).
If you play agressive and push him under turret, he can't farm, which means you'll be ahead in CS quickly. He'll likely never come back from that.
I miss 5 AS KogMaw. It felt really rewarding when you reached 3 items. But I understand that he was a balancing nightmare
Imo I loved Zac’s reworked ult more then the old one. It gave him a way to set up super heavy ult combos for the team if you played it right. I use to main him a ton but stopped once he got his old ult back.
Exactly! You could set up the enemy team for a 5 man cc, you could drag their frontline across the wall or a laner away from the turret, etc. People just sucked at using it, it was an incredible tool and infinitely more fun than the old one (aka. What we have now)
tbh i think the reworked one was better but it didn’t really gel together with the rest with his kit all that well since zac’s job was usually to jump into the enemy team and be a disrupter but the ult made him a weird kidnapper, was still really fun though, wish i could’ve used him before he got changed back 😢
Honestly they could keep the 2 versions :
- The actual one if you just press R
- The reworked if you hold on R
But I guess it would be too strong
For me it was the other way arround. I mained Zac Jgl and top. Stopped playing him with his rework ult. As soon as he got his old one Back I instantly picked him up again. Also same with Mordekaiser but the other way arround. Never played his original except few games as draintank. Then mained him when He was the Dragon catcher. After that went away I never picked him up again
I stopped playing Zac when they reverted his R.
His reworked R gave him the most unique identity of a Jungler Full Tank, No Damage, CC oriented Engage Playmaker. Which is exactly what I'm looking for in League.
Im still incredibly mad to the Zac Mains who can't stand not buying Demonic Embrase a single game with this character. Ruined my fun.
Kog'Maw was reworked to have 5.0 max Attack Speed with W active (alongside differently designed W system). They ended up reverting him less than a season later because him having such high attack speed with stacked oh hit effects like Guinsoo's, Runaan's, BotRK, old Wit's End, and Sated Devourer.
Was unironically my favorie season. I love 5.0 kog, he was a monster late game but still kog (easy af to kill) but that was "too op" and 7 seasons later we have belveth
@@dracotoy Kog'Maw Jungle was my favorite, smiting Krugs for stun passive to help with clearing, Hunter's Potion for extra sustain.
I think the Kog'Maw rework is in an incredibly interesting spot. On the one hand, like you mention, Riot hardly ever reverts anything and them doing so is overtly admitting that the change in question was a mistake. However, with the new champion rework polls, Kog'Maw was listed as an option in the most recent one, and the short blurb they had about Kog'Maw's potential rework should he win the poll was the SAME DAMN THING AS HIS REVERTED REWORK. They were like "we would want to focus his design as the premier "protect the puppy" adc, and his artillery mage playstyle may fall to the wayside". I am paraphrasing here but that was the jist. As an AP Kog'Maw player I am obviously extremely biased against the "protect the puppy" role that Kog'Maw has, but the vision they described in the rework poll was exactly the same changes they made to him in his scrapped rework, which I find incredibly bizzare. I also feel like, with how few dedicated artillery mages there are in the game and how MANY hyper-scaling carries we have, that AP Kog'Maw is simply the healthier design both for the game in a vacuum and for champion diversity compared to the rest of the cast. Like seriously, Xerath, Kog'Maw, Vel'Koz, maybe Lux? Vex WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ARTILLERY MAGE and they apparently scrapped that version of her kit entirely, are we really going to remove ~20% of an entire classes champion pool just to make the same terrible changes that already got reverted?
Probably...
To be honest I also wouldn't want to see the kog'maw adc removed because its role is quite unique, it's genuinely the most on-hit damage focused adc.
The rest of the Adc pool only situationally uses the on-hit (Excluding Bork) and then goes directly to crit unless it is a unique case like Ezreal
Kog as an artillery mage uses literally only 2 skills to work that are very good to me and it is a playstyle that I like and even the safest to play but I think that if they eliminate that terrible passive and genuinely balance the kit both styles can work .
At the end of the day, he is a creature of the void and creating a kit that allows both playstyles is not impossible, especially since kaisa exists...
I can agree with this, although the one point I'll make is that I personally think AP kog uses the whole kit better, you say he only uses two spells but I literally level W up second for lane because it is his main way to trade even in solo lanes, and I think AP kog actually gets MORE use out of q than ad kog, he doesn't care about the attack speed but the ability itself does a lot of damage. That, and ad kog has had balance points where he didn't even take e until like level 15 when you have to, plus casting ukt is dps negative on ad kog so I feel like ad kog is actually the one using only 2/4 spells
@@fisherjohnson1642 Agree, the W in the early levels is honestly the best you have for trades.
Hopefully one day we will have a vgu that fixes many of the problems, as it is a creature of the void in my imagination I see like Kayn.
Eventually you transition to a full artillery mage or an on-hit submachine gun.
In addition to the fact that an "APC" in the botlane designed for this is not unreasonable considering that they have already experimented that several times
Well I fucking hate Kayn but that actually sounds sick, and yea especially now that we have multiple melee characters designed for botlane, I think a dedicated AP botlane carry makes more sense than most of the new champ designs in the game lmao
Fuck ap Kog Maw man. I have 1.200.000 Mastery on Kog, only Adc. I dont care about Ap Kog Maw
if quinn is not on this list i will cry
There is a lot of difference between Vegas having 1k ap mad 2k ap. One of them allows you to build tank and still one shot the other allows you to build semi tank and still one shot.
Old swain & mordekaiser were removed from the game, I wish that they return one day when league has more than 8 viable items for mages
I feel like pre rework Yorick with his upgraded visuals would actually fit into the game now. SInce hullbreaker is really the only spilt push item and split push champs already exist, it would be great to see Ol'Yorick Mori back again.
As a Zac lover before and after his rework, I liked what they tried to do with his ult, even if it was sometimes not the most helpful ability for a teamfight. It was fun to pull enemies over walls to get them closer to a team with fewer movement options, or to pull junglers out of the dragon/baron pits and whatnot. Maybe not the best ability for Zac specifically, but one I'd love to see back in some form someday.
I honestly miss LeBlanc's rework. I started playing her right after it, and it felt very strange but also I was fashinated by the skill expression they put into her, so I kept playing her a ton and right when I finally was getting the hang of it they reverted her, so I basically had to relearn the champion. It was very sad.
The word "Triple empowered Q burst" brings so much nostalgia to me
Kog'maw's ultimate was also reworked. Before the marksman class update it wasn't an execute and had higher upfront damage. This made Living Artillery less effective as a poke and scouting tool, instead encouraging using it to pick off targets. It's subtle, but since the mana cost prohibits using it too frequently it inverts how you get the most out of the ability and effectively punishes scouting. This change has yet to be reverted.
I've always loved playing battlemages, and, although I was sad when he lost the ability to toggle his W, I am even sadder he's about to lose his gravitating stars altogether
I personally miss the previous morde that required an "assistant". the numbers of course needed some balancing but it felt great actually trying to work with someone in sync.
teemo also had a rework where his passive and w swapped which was actually pretty fun but it eventually got reverted. idk why cause i’m not a top laner player but it did
Asol rework 2023 will continou be a failure.
Simply the direction they are going seem to kept a same level of gimick and still a very punishing mechanic. Asol will keep his crucial weekness as when enemies jump on top of you, they can easily move behind you and dodge the major damage.
The other hand, the whole concept of Asol is a snake like Asian dragon which...is all about snake like constantly movement, and kiting
I mean, aren't all mages easily killed if you get in their face? And his new gimmick is hiper scaling with his passive but i really don't see anything punishing in his kit, if anything, it got much easier. But i dunno, if you have another view of it i want the reasoning honestly
@@Walk1ngSk3ll3t0n yes, but most mages have a way to deal with it, usually hard cc, but the new asol has literally nothing, they removed his knock back and stun, now he only has a slow, he probably will suffer even more against assasins and divers. It's not that his new kit is hard, it's just that it's lacking options, if an enemy gets in your face you will either burst them or die
@@skkadoot9533 I mean technically you have an option with the evolved ult but that do be a lot of time to get, even so, isn't like orianna kinda similar? If an assasin gets on her, considering the amount of mobility we have she's dead even if she ults. But that's honestly making a bad comparison
@@Walk1ngSk3ll3t0n orianna still has more of a chance. her W both speeds her up and slows the opponent, and her E is a shield that can also attack if the ball passes the enemy on the way. she also has a lot of burst damage, so she still has a chance at defending herself if the attacker is squishy enough. i say asol is still more susceptible to engages by a small margin
@@Underworlder5 Fair enough
I really don’t know what Riot was smoking when they did the Sol rework. They took what was unique about him and made him now bland.
Just being unique is not always enough.
As a matter of fact, He was a star dragon, Now he actually acts the part. Fuck the old kit, give me 5 more meteors those explosions are going to be a power trip, about damn time i get to actually breathe fire.
yeah we want more of these for sure bro
Yes. I would love to see this series continue, yet not at the expense of series you've already started and haven't finished.
We need a part 2, editors have soul too!
Vars: “let me know who you’d like reverted…”
Me: *salutes framed photo of the fallen soldier Old Aatrox*
Vars: “…who’d make the game healthier”
Me: *sad Aatrox loyalist noises*
But old Aatrox wasn't that bad, the problem was that it was left untouched and underpowered for literal years and then Riot overbuffed it to promote a new champion that has nothing in common with Oldtrox; they could have made a better work and even Riot admitted that Aatrox rework was a failure in a way
@@soedragons3582 I mean, I understand what you’re saying but the way I understand it is that it wasn’t that it was too weak or too strong, it’s that it was unhealthy for the game given that he was such a polarizing champ. Depending entirely on items/matchup with little skill expression in his kit. Either his items made him unstoppable or they didn’t, besides that, either he was into someone who could shut down his autos or he wasn’t, that was the main problem. Believe me, I main Tryndamere so it wouldn’t have been anything too serious for someone like me, but there’s a reason RIOT’s trying to get rid of stat checkers like Trynd. The Aatrox rework wasn’t a failure because it was terrible compared to the old one, or because it wasn’t healthier, but because it didn’t remain true to him.
@@soedragons3582 old aatrox WAS that bad. He could simply could not function in most games due to how he was designed as a not that bulky drain fighter. The only reason people seem to think he was fine was because he was completely overturned just before his rework. If he was as weak and unplayable as he was in the past nobody would have cared that he was completely changed, he would be treated like Urgot who was also in a similar state.
IMO, the old talon with a 1-second silence was iconic.
Fizz was also reverted from the W mark proc. Then i belive they gave him 2 W charges and finally back to normal fizz
They did give kog some QoL changes with the rework, like his ult did not have damage base on enemy missing health, it was the base damage and nothing more.
To this day I don't understand riots take on A sol, and I honestly don't like the incoming rework. I've been playing A sol since release and now he is getting practically removed from the game.
I get he is not easy to get into but you didn't have to turn a combat mage into whatever the new one is
We want part 2! 🎉🎉🎉
I bet most of us would love a long form (1hr+) video from you
As a Zac main, kidnap ult was...
difficult to find value with. It hardly did any damage, moving people around was done a lot better by the original version, and the range was often too low to ever move people too fatally out of position. However, my favorite Zac play I've ever done was slingshotting into baron pit while the enemy was taking it, stealing the enemy jungler back over the wall, and flashing back over to smite and steal it. I've never felt more like a god than in that moment. Obviously, new q is better, and I'm very glad they kept it, but I don't miss the ult.
Hey ! I am the viewer who suggested that video ! I have some differents opinions though.
I think the "reworked" Leblanc was fantastic, she had counter play since you could predict when she deals damage and she had the wave clear she was struggling with, I don't know why that iteration of Leblanc didn't resonate with the playerbase.
I would also considered failed reworked the ones that destroyed the champion's purpose and made it absolutely unpopular, I would see Quinn's rework during the Marskman update as a failure too since she is not being played in the adc role anymore and even as a toplaner, she's terrible as she brings nothing but damage and she scales poorly.
Another video that would be cool but nothing about the gamebalance, the overload of skins and lootbox events. It something that bothers the community a lot and it would be cool to open some eyes.
Take care, I love your videos ^^
Revert Akali. She used to be weak early, like really weak and shine in midgame. It actually felt like you had a chance to win against an assassin
Soraka... I missed the time, when her Heal has a really High Cooldown and gave Armor. And oh man the Mana restore was awesome.
Her Old Q was kind of braindead, but so fun to use.
I really hate, that I will never be able to play my first Support Main Champ again.
I really miss the old shen q myself. Everyone took him top but I loved taking him support and permanently sustaining my adc. I understand it was unbalanced but I never saw anyone besides me use it much, why couldn't they let us have it haha. That aside, I did learn to love new shen as well when I started taking him jungle or picking him as a support against leona but I can't quite enjoy playing new soraka. I mean, she definitely works and I hate playing against her, but I'm not having fun playing her either
old champs were really something else and i have to admit i miss some of them.
but laning against soraka was something else xd
OG ap sion 😔😔😔 still miss his point and click stun
Also rengar is a reference to alien vs predator hence why he and khazix were pushed together. He has the dreads, hunts aliens, the bone tooth necklace as a trophy clearly references the spines predator collects.
wait is that the mor ardain theme at the start? damn thats so cool!
Duuuuuuude, I started playing league shortly before the assassins update (like a patch or month or so) and got so attached to those reworks so quickly... I loved the Rengar Q's and the animations... I played and loved so much Leblanc with that sweet clear wave and mechanics (the best part was the clone by far, it was so funny seeing enemies getting scared and felt so big brain after walking straight for a gank after tricking them before)... And not only those, don't get me started on Talon dope af and Shaco still one of mine most played champion... When they announced they would revert those reworks droped like a bomb and was even worst when testing for the first time the old kit (as I said before, I was used to only the reworked kit of those champions, especially Leblanc) I felt so clumsy, although it was basically the same kit (so bad that I indeed stopped playing Lb after and still to this day never came back completely). Watching this video bring back some nostalgia and good memories. I wish they brought it back these reworks, even if it was nerfed by 500%, bc I miss them and those mechanics sm.
Leblanc was the same after the revert, but with it It they also changed her damage around. Q and E got a bit more but only if you hit both parts. They did less front loaded dmg so that she wouldn’t be as annoying to face
i think you forgot a fairly important part of leblancs rework, she used to build hextech gunsaber and heal to full health with one w into q because q counted as a single skill into every single unit it got detonated so didnt get a debuff from beeing aoe (only 20% healing if aoe).
Man, I watched like 2 minutes and 13 seconds of this video and I already want a part two!
The champ is way too popular now but Old Akali was way better and healthier than the current imho. She was more predictable and made it easier to play around
After Leblanc got dumpstered (when she lost 80% of her damage on her W and RW). A new Quadraproc Leblanc build popped up. Turns out that the clone spawned from R still triggered on Hit effects at full damage, leading her to oneshot people with a collection of doubled Lich Bane/ Hextech Revolver procs.
Great video. Rengar is League's version of Predator, where Kha Zix is League's version of a Xenomorph. Alien vs Predator
Aurelion Sol and Zac did not need rework at all, they were entirely fine when they came out.The problem with Leblanc and Rengar rework was that their players did not like skills, they liked pure domination that left their opponent no chance to comeback. Otherwise their first rework would be good ideas.
bruh rengar with the new Q did a LOT more damage
the difference was it felt clunky as hell, its a champion that jumps around, has MS buffs, generally quick and then his Q locks him in place in a weird animation that juts him forward ever so slightly for god whatever reason - wasnt uncommon to q someone in bush and the q makes you leave the bush and leave you without your jump passive
it felt out of place on the champion, really broke down the tempo of rengar
imagine if zed's e locked him in place to do some silly animation for half a sec, would completely ruin his flow
You forgot about Fizz also having the 1.5 burst time on W.
Unironically I used to see more fizzes when he was bad than now, I 100% feel like the old passive was just more satisfying to pull off.
Also LB didn't get fully reverted. She had a silence on Q which was purposely ignored.
I believe OG Aurelion was flawless.. Yes he has nice push but so does anivia and like all control mages.. Ok he was akward at first but he was UNIQUE. Coming in baron fight from spawn with a Q the size of a lane was arguably the most fun and cool looking thkng in League , the rework coming in february looks really dull , he's just another control mage now.
"he might've been the worst character in league existing, his abilities might've not represent the idea of a cosmic dragon that creates star, 2 people used him, he was useless from iron to master, but atleast he was UnIqUe 🥺🥺🥺"
@@madnard8744Your takes are trash, your tastes are worse, and your not cool liking smoothbrain asol. Star forger dragon was better than dragon with space skin.
I used to main Leblanc. The only thing I do miss from the rework was the sigil as a passive. It really did help with wave clear, and gave her a little bit more help with AOE versus everything being single targeted.
I remember when I first saw how her ultimate worked, and was like what the hell… It did nothing, no damage from what I remember, and lasted like two seconds. The best it could be used for was to scare enemy into popping summoner spell.
I love new swain, but I do wish the reverted his q to his old (post rework) form. It was soooooooo satisfying. I only played him for his q and I got to gold after a hiatus of 2 years. All because I could farm so well with it. Because farming was FUN.
I hate that Rengar kept the most toxic part of the rework; the cleanse. The LeBlanc rework was a much better design than the one we have now, but assassin players just can’t stand not getting the 0.1 second kills with no counterplay. Still to this day don’t know why they couldn’t just make Kog’Maw apply on-hit at a lower effectiveness.
So, while I don't think a full revert would make him healthier, I think Sion would be better off with a kit closer to his old one. First of all, he was never meant to be a poke mage. That was a consequence of constant nerfs of mages, leaving him with amazing ratios on 2 abilities that were both offensive and defensive, while being almost impossible to miss. But that was never intended. He was ALWAYS intended to be a tanky bruiser with drain tank capabilities if you couldn't run away from him effectively. They reworked him into a tank that yells at minions, with the lowest base HP in the entire game and one of the slowest scaling mechanics (woo 12 HP per wave, sometimes 14). And while he has been tuned back to be more of a tank, he is still a very poorly designed character. A character that is incredibly slow 99.9% of the time with very slow abilities just does not feel good to play late game, especially an infinite scaling character. Also, death oriented passives are bad. Can we all agree there?
His passive should be his health stacking mechanic.
His Q needs to be faster, but less devastating
His W is fine but its damage should scale off of Sion's health, not the enemy's...the fact that it doesn't is kinda moronic.
His E needs a complete rework. It's not good, and was never good. It was shoehorned in as an homage to the wildly popular at the time, Skyrim, but I think it's worn out its welcome. I think something where he throws his axe out on the first cast, and then quickly drags it back, dealing damage on the way out and back, slowing and applying armor reduction would be good.
His R should cause him to drop his axe and charge (like it currently does) and when he arrives, he has changed abilities until he uses his E, but also gains the attack speed and life steal of his current passive (but with reduced numbers until 16+ since he doesn't degen health).
Ultimate Q would instead of a knock up in front of him, be a much faster knock up around him, but for less duration.
Ultimate W wouldn't give him a shield, but would explode the damage immediately.
And ultimate E would end the ult and deal increased damage based on how far the axe traveled.
This would give him 3 important roles. Burst damage, sustained damage, or tank. Which I think is something a juggernaut class member should always have the option of, as we see in the case of Garen and Darius, the 2 most famous members of the class. In accordance with the class, he has no inherent dashes or movement speed independent abilities. But I think he needs this as a sort of rework.
The thing they should've kept from the Reworked LeBlanc is that the R version of her abilities creates a clone, I liked the RR Global Clone but it can go.
The clones on R made her really confuse the opponents, because she's supposed to be the Deceiver
Honestly there is so much about LB that they could do I think she could be a multi kit champ, you could chose the kit you're going to use at the start of the game
Kind of how kayn chooses forms?
“Rengar is LoL’s Goku”.
Wukong: and what am I; Chopped liver?
butter croissant monkey balls
not really a good comparison, honestly. goku just looks for strong opponents to fight. rengar outright fights to kill. rengar is better off compared to the predator, another big game hunter. also, yes. if i would compare goku to any LoL champion, it would be wukong, since they both take from the same source material
Fun detail: there's also the rework that got reverted before it even released. There was a plan to rework Riven a few years ago, changing her passive to get rid of the animation cancelling bug abuse that she's been doing since forever. The reworked kit would give her a resource called "edge" (yeah, I know) that she had too manage.
I don't know if the backlash was something fierce or if it was just bonkers broken, but Riot changed their minds and pulled the rework from the PBE before it hit live servers. Now usually the PBE is for showing off new stuff and catching bugs, not to make game balance decisions. So pulling a rework when it was essentially fully ready to go is very out of the ordinary.
we need part 2 please!!
hmmm, was pretty sure they reverted kog' maw because he was too much of a menace with proper protection, they also gutted his ulti damage making it MUCH worse at poking butbetter at finishing kills, ashame it was usually better to just ignore your r button, during a teamfight
I wish Aatrox was completely reverted and Malzahar have his old W back instead of minion summoning.
I never played old Mac, did not know he existed then. I liked the kidnapping ultimate better though. You could make nice plays with it. You didn't had to get multiple people into your team you could just disrupt enemies by taking them away etc.
What you said about the Zac rework makes me worried about the Skarner rework… from what I’ve seen it looks like they’re making the Ultimate multi target.
Great video! I was wondering if you are going to continue your perfectly designed series, and if you would do an episode on Shen?
I just wanted Asol's W to be toggleable again
I never knew the 5.0 attack speed kog'maw was a rework. I always thought that it was the default kog, and when they reverted him, i thought that was a rework
I'm pretty sure almost no Aurelion Sol main actually liked the "rework" that ruined him. At least, not me nor any other A.Sol main I've talked to has.
How about fizz? He went quite a journay from mele, highly mobile DOT character with addition to both burst and bonus dps scaling with missing hp, through mele Leblanc where combo happend to be: proc aa with q, wait some time on e to charge up a dmg, proc w, again to a point where you can literally build BOTRK or Nashor in some matchups if u are willing to play around his w.
if they are alredy removing a sol anyways, they could bring back the toggle W for a month before the rework, just for the fun
I know it was detrimental for the game, but 5.0 attack speed kog'maw was one of the funniest champs to play, and i miss that kog every time i remember it
wait wait wait so are you basically telling me
That by disliking their ideas and forcing reverts league players essentially told riot that they want to keep assassins in the state they've been for... many years at this point
That would mean... that the players could be in a big part to blame for not just no counterplay oneshot-y unpunishable assassins, but also for the entire state of the game through extension
Holy shit guys we deserved the shit we're fed all along
Well, they only listened to the assassin players opinions on it. Everyone else preferred the reworked LeBlanc and Rengar because you didn’t instantly die without even seeing them anymore. Kog’Maw revert legit nobody asked for.
i still say leblanc deserves a rework. her title is "the deceiver", yet there is very little deception involved in her kit. there is her passive and recast W, but zed does the same thing and her claim to fame is her terrifying burst damage and being annoyingly evasive. if anything shaco is the one champ centered around deception. also leblanc is very annoying to play against, which is already a strike against her
I see people already complain how Asol's rework ruined him and now hes terrible, like bruh hes not even fucking out yet how yall know hes bad?
On the topic of Rengar Q: As I understand why it was reverted, god I wish we got a champion that got that version of Rengar Q because using it was so extremely satisfying..
This version of Rengo just turned chinese
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Almost all of them failed because they had to shoehorn some of the most unfun concepts inside the kit (% max health, infinite dashes, stealth, hyperscaling)
i really wish they brought back tanky/ bruiser Reksai,
she has the kit of a bruiser but needs to be an assassin to be useful
Yeah old Rek'sai was better
@@walkelftexasranger i don't like assasins put rek'sai's kit seems like a lot of fun but just doesn't work well as a bruiser
That A Sol rework killed him in some ways. I still hate Riot for it
Leblanc's rework wasn't a failure, if anything riot failed to balance her properly.
kog'maw wasnt 100% reverted they did change his ult a little and kept that
I think Karma's 5.10 rework was a failure that deserved to be reverted:
1. It failed to create to the Mantra diversity Riot aimed for.
2. It forced her to have separate builds for each Mantra to be optimal, as they all scale from different stats.
3. It took away her most iconic ability (shield bomb).
I could go on but you get the point... they made her generic and boring, and created numerous balance issues which never would have occurred if they'd left her.
Loved zac rework ult so many times I pulled the whole team under tower for a phat penta
Old Ryze [around Season 3] WAS the epitome of a classic APC! I miss it.
Man I still remember the whole community getting excited over a champion breaking the attack speed cap and I can't remember correctly but wasn't it 6.0 attack speed or was it in the same patched that attack speed got nerfed from 3.0 to 2.5
i want a part 2
Ah yes I failed my chemistry exams today gimme that negative energy
I loved the leblanc rework so much. Mostly cause I'm sh!t at farming with her, but the sigil made it so much easier