@@snowman22ism I think it climbs real well, but I am in between a large and m/l and went with a m/l. It probably would be more difficult to climb with a larger size. Most of the trails I liked are slower technical stuff so I'm usually out of the saddle when I'm climbing though.
I picked one up beginning of July 2024, had one XL in blue in the box and guy put together right in front of me. He even upgraded the cables to stainless steel and trued up wheels and tighten spikes up a bit. He also moved one of the handlebar stem spacers below with the rest to raise handlebars up a little. So far I’m loving the Roscoe 8
Got a roscoe 8 coming in later this week. My last mountain bike was a 1995 giant yukon se. Been out of the sport for a while. Decided after turning 40 to trade up dirt bikes for mountain bikes.
I would agree 100%, I’m hard asf on my bikes and jusr broke the rear rim, freeride riding on this bike only pre much 😂. I would recommend the roscoe to anyone looking into getting into biking, I’m gunna try mulleting mine tho 😬🤣
Ive got the 2020 roscoe 8. I have beaten the hell out of it and it has handled it all very well. Will be upgrading to a full suspension soon, but i'm keeping my roscoe hardtail. Keep sending!!
The old Roscoe plus bike used the same frame as the X-Caliber. So even the new X-Caliber still uses the 141 axle. Don't understand why because even other bike companies Specialized, Cannondale and Giant all use 148 on comparable bikes. And Trek came up with 148 anyway.
Oh man, if i could have afforded one of these bad boys! Loving my 2022 Marlin 5 though! and for less a third of the price i cant complain, ive added a dropper, and plan to go 1x soon, and maybe even a 120 fork up front
Thanks for putting this out there, I really enjoyed the information shared, and the pace of the video. I just bought this a week ago, (my first real bike), and oh my, it's just so much fun right out of the box. Thanks James!
@Mat Jj one more thing. Wherever you purchase yours, ask them to set the fork SAG settings to your body weight and build. The air charge - based upon how you sit on the bike - determines SAG. They went to the RockShox website for the spec. Mine was set to 20% SAG, I believe.
I'm 5'-7" with 30" inseam and initially got a M/L size but switched to a M for a perfect fit. Buy an airshock pump. With a pump you can dial in the settings exactly how you want, which may change based on seasons and extra gear your wearing, or like me changing weight through the year. I have the RockShox digital pump and it easily lets you make changes to 0.1 PSI by slightly over pumping and then purging / bumping air out while connected.
James, thanks for yet another stellar review - good pacing, informative, detailed and, well, fun. Quick question; whenever I see a bike stand like the one you're using here, and I look them up online, those that I find specifically say not for use with disc brakes. Obviously yours works with disc brake wheels; where can I find one of these? Thanks in advance!
@@KermitOfWar I bought a Marlin 8 last year, and the frame had a "Made in China" sticker on it. I was at the Trek shop the other day, and the latest edition of the Marlin 8 had a "Made in Cambodia" sticker on the frame. So to answer your question, I think it depends. Only way you can know for certain is by looking for the "Made in [Country]" label.
So, is it worth going for the Roscoe 9 over the 8? Over here in Europe, the price increase from a 7 (€1,699) to an 8 (€2,399) is +€700. Yet, to upgrade from an 8 to a 9 (€2,399) is only another +€300. For this premium the 9 gets a Fox Rhythm 36, Shimano SLX/ XT, and general improvements which lead to a ca.500g weight save over the 8. Therefore, if one is prepared to pay €2,399 for the 8, does it make sense to just fork out the extra €300 and get the 9?
I would say yes definitely it is worth it. You may heard this before but will say again, it is always less expensive to buy a package rather than buying separate components, so always better to buy the best bike you can afford from the start, especially if you plan to upgrade. Because yes the upgrades you get from the 9 will cost much more than 300 if you buy separately. But for someone who is really on a tight budget, upgrading gradually can also make sense to be able to eat and pay the bills lol! That's why the saying goes; buy the best you can afford. Some People can afford building their dream bike from the get go and will purchase a frame set alone and personally choose each component they want on the bike.
I just got my Roscoe 8 a couple weeks ago. Bit pricey for what it is, but it rides great. I'm 6'4" 280 lbs and I ride it up hill with no problems. I did upgrade to a longer stem and taller bars but that's all it needed for me to feel at home in the saddle
Hi Austin. You are my exact dimensions. And I also just got the 8 in XL. What size did you get? And what stem and handlebars did you choose ? I feel a tad cramped in the cockpit. I just changed the xr4 tires and put on some faster rolling Kendas
Hi Austin. You are my exact dimensions. And I also just got the 8 in XL. What size did you get? And what stem and handlebars did you choose ?...I feel a tad crammed in the cockpit. I changed the xr4 tires to a faster rolling Kenda.
@@rider65 I always see people complain about how overpriced Trek bikes are, but whenever I look up competing brands with comparable specs and components, they're priced about the same.
hey sir its been a while, but I wanted to ask how the roscoe performs on pavement compared to the Xcaliber, is the Xcaliber that much faster on the road? cheers
At first I wanted to interject and say the Santa Cruz Chameleon is a better deal, but really I was wrong....and finally they're putting T/As. I bought an 22 X-caliber 9 in the blue to yellow fade for my wife because that's the bike she wanted (for the color), and was really annoyed to find a "Boost 141 QR. The spec is incredibly good with XT/SLX 12sp drivetrain otherwise. This spec is quite good for the price. I do believe the Giant Fathom should be considered when looking at this though. The difference being that Giant is using house brand components for the dropper and fork...and the drivetrain is a step down, but w/ the price difference it could easily be a step up if the same amount of money was spent. That said.....I prefer the geometry on this bike over the Fathom...I never really got along with super steep seat tubes on hardtails. I stand and pedal a lot and it always feels like the saddle isn't far enough back out of the way. ~73-74 is fine but 75+ no bueno...
Finally... Have looked at it about four years ago, but geometry and quick release on back wheel looked awful. Already got Orbea Laufey, great bike. Now Trek looks like not a bad choice.
Those new specs are pretty good. I bought a 2018 xcal 8 on a whim when I just started into mountain biking(same frame as a roscoe then). I have about the same money into my new Ragley big al build with a used like new to me fox 34 elite. The stan's new mk4 with with m-pulse hub put me over budget of this bike but man is it nice having a MUCH better set of wheels! I do like to see what they have done with the platform...fixed pretty much every complaint I had on mine. 455 reach on a large or medium? Either way awesome stuff.
450-460 is the sweet spot for me, so either way it is a win because I had a medium that I rode while my broken back was healing(sat like mary poppins) on my old Trek. Now my 5'6 10yo is riding it and I went to a Large size Ragley.
So I just bought this bike and picked it up and noticed they have the TRP slate evo brakes how are they compared to the shimano brakes I have shimano on my cannondale road bike I bought in. 2020
The Orbea Laufey H10 is better value for money with a better spec and almost the same geo!! You could even go for the H-LTD which comes with a fox performance and still have change left over!!
@@edwardbntz8825 The H-LTD model cost €2300. Has fox performance fork, slx/xt drive train, race face components and the frame looks a whole lot better!! The Roscoe 8 cost €2500. Has a rockshox 35 gold, nx/gx drive train, bontrager components. Also to get the high end Roscoe 9 it cost €300 more and still only comes with a fox rhythm fork!! I do like the trek, I have a fuel ex 9.8, but when it comes to the Roscoe, it's just too expensive compared to others out there!!
@@TheDiablosix6six I bet you someone can find a bike that’s better value for money then a fuel ex 9.8 ;-) I don’t care that much about other bikes, there will always be a “better” one, I think they pretty much nailed it with the 2022 Roscoe
I love hard tail bikes but I am more of a 100-120mm guy for my front shock because am I more of a cross country rider. That being said I was looking at these not too long ago and they are some really nice bikes and great components
I test rode the trek roscoe 8 and it didn't inspire me, it felt cheap. I went with the giant fathom, I prefer the geometry of the fathom. I will say one thing though, the trek has a threaded bb while the giant only has press fit. Test ride them, if you can given the lack of stock, before you buy. The giant is a fair bit cheaper than the trek.
Which Fathom did you get, the 1 or 2? How you liking it so far? The Fathom has offered a lot of value for the money for many years and seems, to me, to be a bike model that is often overlooked.
I couldn't get the fathom 2 and I was lucky to get the 1. You just have to take what they are possibly getting in on order. It's a very nice bike, I got an XL and it feels perfect for me.
To be clear the Roscoe was perfect in its original incarnation as a 26" full suspension all mountain bike under the fisher brand. So good in fact I just retired it last season after 10 seasons of use and abuse. In all seriousness, this bike is great I just hate that they recycled the name 😑
Three generations isn’t a short attempt given that this is an long existing bike manufacturer. But this is not like in the early 90s anymore when the CEO‘s of the small American bike brands were still riding themselves… the Taiwanese workers don’t go biking (or mountain biking for that matter) and therefore have no own experience what is important in a bike. They simply go to work, work their 8-10 hours and go home on their couch. Well, the golden era of mountain bikes is long gone, unfortunately !
@@Jamesthebikeguy Thanks for explaining that. I'm guessing carbon fiber is different and allows for the seat tube to remain straight and not need such bulky reinforcement?
@@GokkunGuru My carbon Fuel Ex has that reinforcement on the seat tube, it just looks a whole lot better than a weird looking welded add on that u see on this bike and all other trek alloy bikes!!
@@Jamesthebikeguyyes for sure, I owned one back in 2009. It was a full suspension. Trek re-used the name Roscoe for their rowdy hardtail several years later.
140mm front suspension and no more QR? Interesting. I test rode a Roscoe when they first came out. Did not like the handling. Chose an X-Cal instead and upgraded to 1x and dropper post to match Roscoe component wise. My X-Cal last 2 years before I replaced it with a ProCal 9.6 which according to this, at the time was only $300 more than the Roscoe?!? And it has a carbon frame? Yikes.
Yeah but the procal is a xc geometry based bike . Most people now in days are searching for bikes with modern geometry and in general bikes increase around 150-200 every year for the same model sadly
@@fciz2023 I was actually comparing the X-Cal to the Roscoe. Same model year... same exact frame and yet the Roscoe still didn't feel "right". It sure has turned into a nice bike, now though.
Massive hole in the bottom bracket, no chain stay or seat stay bridges. The rear end flexes so much that the tyres touch the chain stays under power. Once you have untrued rims or bigger tyres you can't even move. I own 1 and I recommend buying something else.
They did all this but parts on this bike compare with price are way to entry level -))) entry - medium lvl fork ... entry level cassete...nx sram is the entry level from sram -)) you just pay the name and not the parts
$2400 with a 35 fork? yeah, I don't think so. I understand they have to keep their massive marketing team fed but you could get a better Vitus for like $1900.
@@ttom2460 so I've never ridden their frames but the vitus sentier VR seems like the best deal on the market for an entry level bike that doesn't really need any upgrades. That z2 fork kills the competition. Recon or lesser won't perform at high speeds. (Source: riding fast trails on a recon)
I wish they would have gone steeper on the seat tube. 73.1 is not steep by modern standards. It should have been at least 75. Otherwise looks fun and playful.
With the extended reach "modern geometry" is headed I think a super steep seat tube angle would make this bike feel a bit unbalanced. There are always give and takes with bike geometry. The short chainstays allow the seat tube angle to remain in the 73-75 degree angle and still keep the bike planted in climbs as well as descents. If the chainstays were longer the ST angle would be steeper. The store I work at sells these and the folks that have bought this bike seem to really dig it. I wish it were a bit lighter, but these days a stock rig at under 30lbs is considered acceptable.
@@radicalturkey a steeper seat angle makes a world of difference when you are climbing a long steep hill. You can stay in the seat and keep your weight centered for better traction on both wheels.
@@mseekles1972 that will lean you forward more but it wont get you closer to the bars. Looking further down in the comments someone wrote that the real effective seat angle is actually 75. This is much closer to the modern geo that we have been seeing lately but still not especially steep. The current trend is 77-78. I am not sure if the 77-78 is better as I have not ridden anything greater than 76 but I know that 73 is way too slack for the longer reach of these newer bikes.
@@thesilversender that was exactly my point, in reality the bike has a much steeper seat tube angle when you’re riding it, because it’s a hardtail, which will benefit the climbing/peddling efficiency. In comparison, It’s slacker then a slash or top fuel but those are fullsus bikes bit it’s steeper then a supercaliber / x caliber. If you find the bike to long, and you’re to far of the bars then I would look at another size / reach number, they have a size ML which pretty much fits me perfectly.
NX cassette, NX shifter, steel chain ring, and fork are all garbage. Get a GX cassette, xo1 shifter, and at least a pike select and that’ll make the rig a lot nicer.
11-50 range in that price tag - sorry but that's a rip off. The Roscoe 7 has the 10-51 Deore. The difference betwen the RL Recon and 35 is minimal for the price difference. The R8 is NOT worth the money for the spec. Don't get me wrong, its a great bike.
right, these bikes are too expensive for what they have to offer, if i could compare the new roscoes to my 2020-2021 kona big honzo, got the same rl recon fork, xt rd with xtr shifter and nx/gx rest, mt520 brakes for right under 1300 dollars
73* is not a steep seattube angle. 76* degrees would be a steep seattube which is what this bike needs to have modern geometry. As is, it's just mediocre. Does Trek pay James to make these videos? It's a classic sales technique to oversell the weak feature which is the 73* seatube angle.
@@Jamesthebikeguy I was "poking the bear" because I sensed that something wasn't right. So went to the Roscoe geo chart. The effective seattube angle is 75* while the actual seatube angle is 73*. When talking about geometry, it's the effective STA that matters and 75* makes more sense. However, by modern geometry standards, even 75* STA is not particularly steep. A typical modern trailbike generally has a 76-78* STA.
overpriced and under specced...many bikes out there better value for money than this and just because next years bike is the same spec as the 22 model doesnt make it a 23 spec better lol...
This is an entirely different bike than the one that came before it. The prior generation is a totally different frame, different suspension, travel different wheel sizes all of that.
I picked up a Roscoe 8 about a month ago and I'm loving it so far. It's been a great trail bike and is definitely way more capable than I am.
How is it on climbing? With a 65* head angle and only a 73* seat tube angle, it sounds like it could be a tough bike to climb with.
@@snowman22ism I think it climbs real well, but I am in between a large and m/l and went with a m/l. It probably would be more difficult to climb with a larger size. Most of the trails I liked are slower technical stuff so I'm usually out of the saddle when I'm climbing though.
I think Trek Roscoe 8 is the best hardtail for the most riders in 2024.
How about roscoe 9?
I picked one up beginning of July 2024, had one XL in blue in the box and guy put together right in front of me. He even upgraded the cables to stainless steel and trued up wheels and tighten spikes up a bit. He also moved one of the handlebar stem spacers below with the rest to raise handlebars up a little. So far I’m loving the Roscoe 8
Just bought one last week . Definitely very happy with it It's on sale 800 off right now. 1599
Dude you sold me on the Roscoe 8 I just purchased it after watching your video. Thanks for the breakdown!
Just picked up the 8, I absolutely love it. Feels right for the price ($2,000) on sale. Comes ready out of the box. Don’t think i need any upgrades.
In Croatia out of the box is 1850 i think is worth that price only thing i am sceptic is size 5'9 (176cm) any sugesstions M/L!!?
@@twinsfeederfishing4487Why are those bikes cheaper in Europe?
Got a roscoe 8 coming in later this week. My last mountain bike was a 1995 giant yukon se. Been out of the sport for a while. Decided after turning 40 to trade up dirt bikes for mountain bikes.
I would agree 100%, I’m hard asf on my bikes and jusr broke the rear rim, freeride riding on this bike only pre much 😂. I would recommend the roscoe to anyone looking into getting into biking, I’m gunna try mulleting mine tho 😬🤣
Ive got the 2020 roscoe 8. I have beaten the hell out of it and it has handled it all very well. Will be upgrading to a full suspension soon, but i'm keeping my roscoe hardtail. Keep sending!!
Six years ago it should have looked like this. The lack of a 12mm axle in previous generations is a tragedy.
The old Roscoe plus bike used the same frame as the X-Caliber. So even the new X-Caliber still uses the 141 axle. Don't understand why because even other bike companies Specialized, Cannondale and Giant all use 148 on comparable bikes. And Trek came up with 148 anyway.
Oh man, if i could have afforded one of these bad boys! Loving my 2022 Marlin 5 though! and for less a third of the price i cant complain, ive added a dropper, and plan to go 1x soon, and maybe even a 120 fork up front
I got this bike about 3 weeks ago and it's awesome. I love it more every time I ride it
In NZ the Ruscoe 9 has been at around $1500 USD for a few months now, worth the buy!
yeah I picked one up for 2600 nzd, bloody steal!
Why would it be so cheap? Normally NZ and Australia are so expensive
@@Jose-sy1je yeah dunno aye, must be overstocked and bad economy.
@@SupaNIWA I thought the economy is booming these. I heard of the insane home prices.
I love my 22 Roscoe 8. As of today I have 128 miles of mountain biking since June 25th. And yes the 22 and 23 are the same.
Was looking for this! Thanks!
Thanks for putting this out there, I really enjoyed the information shared, and the pace of the video. I just bought this a week ago, (my first real bike), and oh my, it's just so much fun right out of the box. Thanks James!
Just bought this 8 in medium large. Overall presentation, fit/finish is excellent.
Can I ask your size? I'm trying to decide between a M and M/L. I'm 5'9" 32" inseam, shorter torso... Thanks!
@@matjj676 I'm 5'11" . 32 inseam. Bought a medium/large. Fits perfect. Trek store sized me. 👌
@Mat Jj one more thing. Wherever you purchase yours, ask them to set the fork SAG settings to your body weight and build. The air charge - based upon how you sit on the bike - determines SAG. They went to the RockShox website for the spec. Mine was set to 20% SAG, I believe.
@@johnnyrocket1320 Awesome, thank you! 👍
I'm 5'-7" with 30" inseam and initially got a M/L size but switched to a M for a perfect fit.
Buy an airshock pump. With a pump you can dial in the settings exactly how you want, which may change based on seasons and extra gear your wearing, or like me changing weight through the year. I have the RockShox digital pump and it easily lets you make changes to 0.1 PSI by slightly over pumping and then purging / bumping air out while connected.
Nice review, this bike is as much bike as a lot of us really need to ride. Trek knocked the price down in spring of 2023, making these a great buy.
Right on!
Just snagged one for $1850 + tax :) .. Can confirm :)
James, thanks for yet another stellar review - good pacing, informative, detailed and, well, fun.
Quick question; whenever I see a bike stand like the one you're using here, and I look them up online, those that I find specifically say not for use with disc brakes. Obviously yours works with disc brake wheels; where can I find one of these? Thanks in advance!
This is the one I use in this video, and it is terrific. - www.landrys.com/product/giant-adjustable-height-1-bike-floor-stand-397983-1.htm
It has been a great bike so far.
Just ordered one, on sale in the UK for only about £150 more than the 7 which was my original choice.
Sweet reflectors. They really tie the bike together!
Lmao it’s display model he’s been lended to do a review.
In Croatia Roscoe 8 is around 1850 € i think its pretty nice deal for the money
Super cool review pero hay un error, el ángulo efectivo del tubo del sillín es 74,7°
Thanks for posting the vid…I’m picking mine up on Friday…super stoked🤙
So how is it doing?
Very good overall review James....TREK makes some top notch bikes at each level.
They do make nice things
Where are Trek bikes manufactured?
@@KermitOfWar I bought a Marlin 8 last year, and the frame had a "Made in China" sticker on it. I was at the Trek shop the other day, and the latest edition of the Marlin 8 had a "Made in Cambodia" sticker on the frame. So to answer your question, I think it depends. Only way you can know for certain is by looking for the "Made in [Country]" label.
So, is it worth going for the Roscoe 9 over the 8? Over here in Europe, the price increase from a 7 (€1,699) to an 8 (€2,399) is +€700. Yet, to upgrade from an 8 to a 9 (€2,399) is only another +€300. For this premium the 9 gets a Fox Rhythm 36, Shimano SLX/ XT, and general improvements which lead to a ca.500g weight save over the 8. Therefore, if one is prepared to pay €2,399 for the 8, does it make sense to just fork out the extra €300 and get the 9?
I would say yes definitely it is worth it. You may heard this before but will say again, it is always less expensive to buy a package rather than buying separate components, so always better to buy the best bike you can afford from the start, especially if you plan to upgrade. Because yes the upgrades you get from the 9 will cost much more than 300 if you buy separately. But for someone who is really on a tight budget, upgrading gradually can also make sense to be able to eat and pay the bills lol! That's why the saying goes; buy the best you can afford. Some People can afford building their dream bike from the get go and will purchase a frame set alone and personally choose each component they want on the bike.
I love my DS4; but damn; gimme that bike.
I just got my Roscoe 8 a couple weeks ago. Bit pricey for what it is, but it rides great. I'm 6'4" 280 lbs and I ride it up hill with no problems. I did upgrade to a longer stem and taller bars but that's all it needed for me to feel at home in the saddle
The one down side, ALL Treks are overpriced. Decent bikes, but too much $
Hi Austin. You are my exact dimensions. And I also just got the 8 in XL. What size did you get? And what stem and handlebars did you choose ? I feel a tad cramped in the cockpit. I just changed the xr4 tires and put on some faster rolling Kendas
Hi Austin. You are my exact dimensions.
And I also just got the 8 in XL. What size did you get? And what stem and handlebars did you choose ?...I feel a tad crammed in the cockpit. I changed the xr4 tires to a faster rolling Kenda.
@@rider65 I always see people complain about how overpriced Trek bikes are, but whenever I look up competing brands with comparable specs and components, they're priced about the same.
They are a good deal now in the US. Roscoe 8 at $1600, Roscoe 9 at $2k but available sizing of the 9 may be limited.
Can you please make a review on the trek xcaliber 8 and 9 2022 as well?
Is this good for casual trail riding/asphalt aswell ?
Im a noob looling for a all-around bike or is this one a bit overkill?
Love this bike!! A lot better than the 2021 Xcaliber I had
hey sir its been a while, but I wanted to ask how the roscoe performs on pavement compared to the Xcaliber, is the Xcaliber that much faster on the road? cheers
@@jetmirselimi8944 xcaliber is faster on road since it’s lighter with thinner tire.
@@joseperezpaz9986 thanks man for replying💪
I am so tempted to pick up a Roscoe 8. And there is a Trek dealer just down the street. 🤔😀🤔😀
Im 6,0.. 183cm, M/L or L? Im hearing alot of mixed reviews on sizing
At first I wanted to interject and say the Santa Cruz Chameleon is a better deal, but really I was wrong....and finally they're putting T/As. I bought an 22 X-caliber 9 in the blue to yellow fade for my wife because that's the bike she wanted (for the color), and was really annoyed to find a "Boost 141 QR. The spec is incredibly good with XT/SLX 12sp drivetrain otherwise.
This spec is quite good for the price. I do believe the Giant Fathom should be considered when looking at this though. The difference being that Giant is using house brand components for the dropper and fork...and the drivetrain is a step down, but w/ the price difference it could easily be a step up if the same amount of money was spent. That said.....I prefer the geometry on this bike over the Fathom...I never really got along with super steep seat tubes on hardtails. I stand and pedal a lot and it always feels like the saddle isn't far enough back out of the way. ~73-74 is fine but 75+ no bueno...
Spinoff from the Trek Stache 9. One of Treks winners for sure.
Picking mine up tomorrow.
I guess this might be the optimal hard tail I am looking for.
Hopefully X Caliber 23 is upgraded also, shit's expensive and not worth it
Will be interesting to see what if any changes come to the X-Cal
Finally... Have looked at it about four years ago, but geometry and quick release on back wheel looked awful. Already got Orbea Laufey, great bike. Now Trek looks like not a bad choice.
Those new specs are pretty good. I bought a 2018 xcal 8 on a whim when I just started into mountain biking(same frame as a roscoe then). I have about the same money into my new Ragley big al build with a used like new to me fox 34 elite. The stan's new mk4 with with m-pulse hub put me over budget of this bike but man is it nice having a MUCH better set of wheels! I do like to see what they have done with the platform...fixed pretty much every complaint I had on mine. 455 reach on a large or medium? Either way awesome stuff.
450-460 is the sweet spot for me, so either way it is a win because I had a medium that I rode while my broken back was healing(sat like mary poppins) on my old Trek. Now my 5'6 10yo is riding it and I went to a Large size Ragley.
That’s a lot of money for a 30 lb intermed Chinese hardtail. Glad I’m still riding my old cannondales.
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Great bike and fantastic informational video. No bias
Glad you enjoyed it!
Got a Roscoe 9 coming in a month hopefully, been waiting a year almost
Finally, you have made something worthy and true as far as bike assessment. 👍
Finally, I've lived up to your expectations
@@Jamesthebikeguy 😂 I love sarcasm mate! Nice.👍
Very cool review as always men, I am getting one for sure
So I just bought this bike and picked it up and noticed they have the TRP slate evo brakes how are they compared to the shimano brakes I have shimano on my cannondale road bike I bought in. 2020
TRP slate evo are great breaks, I have them on my Norco Enduro bike and they perform really well
For that price they can keep it!!
How is this bike compare to the cannondale trail 5 please ?
29 inch tires? Im used to 26 inch tires...will it be that much different?
The Orbea Laufey H10 is better value for money with a better spec and almost the same geo!! You could even go for the H-LTD which comes with a fox performance and still have change left over!!
Not a chance orbea comes with a lower end group set and suspension, and is over 2k
@@edwardbntz8825 The H-LTD model cost €2300. Has fox performance fork, slx/xt drive train, race face components and the frame looks a whole lot better!!
The Roscoe 8 cost €2500. Has a rockshox 35 gold, nx/gx drive train, bontrager components. Also to get the high end Roscoe 9 it cost €300 more and still only comes with a fox rhythm fork!! I do like the trek, I have a fuel ex 9.8, but when it comes to the Roscoe, it's just too expensive compared to others out there!!
@@TheDiablosix6six I bet you someone can find a bike that’s better value for money then a fuel ex 9.8 ;-) I don’t care that much about other bikes, there will always be a “better” one, I think they pretty much nailed it with the 2022 Roscoe
Looks great
Less.... but... the 35 fork is only a so/so piece leaving room for wanting
Nice bike, but that front brake hose loop is driving me crazy lol. Someone shorten it please.
Does anyone know what the exact spec of this bikes rear axel is if I were to replace it ?
I love hard tail bikes but I am more of a 100-120mm guy for my front shock because am I more of a cross country rider.
That being said I was looking at these not too long ago and they are some really nice bikes and great components
No hub sound?
The hub does make a sound
still not as a rad angles as the hello dave, but they're getting there.
I❤ this Bike 😍🇩🇪🇺🇸
Way better option then the giant fathom
any issues with the nx/gx spec?
I was looking for meaty 27.5 plus tires on a bike , now where do I look ?
The current Roscoe 6 still comes with those tyres.
I test rode the trek roscoe 8 and it didn't inspire me, it felt cheap. I went with the giant fathom, I prefer the geometry of the fathom. I will say one thing though, the trek has a threaded bb while the giant only has press fit. Test ride them, if you can given the lack of stock, before you buy. The giant is a fair bit cheaper than the trek.
Which Fathom did you get, the 1 or 2? How you liking it so far? The Fathom has offered a lot of value for the money for many years and seems, to me, to be a bike model that is often overlooked.
I couldn't get the fathom 2 and I was lucky to get the 1. You just have to take what they are possibly getting in on order.
It's a very nice bike, I got an XL and it feels perfect for me.
I don’t know what to do my desler has the 8 for $500 off or he said he can do no tax on the 9
Quiet you can whisper and the noise level will not interfered in you sleeping or conversation.
To be clear the Roscoe was perfect in its original incarnation as a 26" full suspension all mountain bike under the fisher brand. So good in fact I just retired it last season after 10 seasons of use and abuse. In all seriousness, this bike is great I just hate that they recycled the name 😑
73.1° seat tube angle isn't steep nowadays
Least they haven't taken as long as Cannondale or cube, to make a hardcore hardtail.
Three generations isn’t a short attempt given that this is an long existing bike manufacturer. But this is not like in the early 90s anymore when the CEO‘s of the small American bike brands were still riding themselves… the Taiwanese workers don’t go biking (or mountain biking for that matter) and therefore have no own experience what is important in a bike. They simply go to work, work their 8-10 hours and go home on their couch. Well, the golden era of mountain bikes is long gone, unfortunately !
Awesome frame. Why do so many bikes have that weird tapered gusset on the seat tube?
So it doesn't crack. They are making the top tube come down low for stand over, but that requires a bit of reinforcement
@@Jamesthebikeguy Thanks for explaining that. I'm guessing carbon fiber is different and allows for the seat tube to remain straight and not need such bulky reinforcement?
@@GokkunGuru My carbon Fuel Ex has that reinforcement on the seat tube, it just looks a whole lot better than a weird looking welded add on that u see on this bike and all other trek alloy bikes!!
@@TheDiablosix6six Indeed it looks a lot nicer on the carbon frame. On alloy frames, that reinforced add-on is truly an eye-sore.
What about the Roscoe 9
Could this bike hold 420 lbs?
It very much feels like the fuse to me. The geometry is very similar.. Maybe im looking at it wrong?
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Great review, but you can get much much better for the price
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@@TheMurdoch nukeproof scout, ns eccentric, any ragley bike, on one hello dave/big dog. The list goes on
@@torfossberg1137 thanks, looking at picking up something new but so many options. Want something I can grow into
@@TheMurdoch hardcore hardtails are a great choice, I bought an ns eccentric second hand about half a year ago and its been amazing!
I got a new 22’ Scott scale 970 for $999 last weekend.
No way, sharp bike but I'd take a fathom for way way less...I think it's less anyways
Fathom is a deal that's for sure
Can we put 160mm fork on Roscoe?
Why would you? Just asking to destroy your rear wheel with a beefier fork
@@theGiver3 Actually I did return the bike, looking for a longer fork travel.
@@theGiver3 I did return the bike actually, I'll just get a 170mm for travel.
That's very nice. How do I get my address to you to send it to me? Thanks for sharing this with us.
Lol
Gary Fisher Roscoe 😄
Gary Fisher never had a Roscoe, this bike came out after the brand was dissolved. Gary Fisher also is no longer a Trek ambassador anymore too.
@@Jamesthebikeguyyes for sure, I owned one back in 2009. It was a full suspension. Trek re-used the name Roscoe for their rowdy hardtail several years later.
140mm front suspension and no more QR? Interesting. I test rode a Roscoe when they first came out. Did not like the handling. Chose an X-Cal instead and upgraded to 1x and dropper post to match Roscoe component wise. My X-Cal last 2 years before I replaced it with a ProCal 9.6 which according to this, at the time was only $300 more than the Roscoe?!? And it has a carbon frame? Yikes.
Yeah but the procal is a xc geometry based bike . Most people now in days are searching for bikes with modern geometry and in general bikes increase around 150-200 every year for the same model sadly
@@fciz2023 I was actually comparing the X-Cal to the Roscoe. Same model year... same exact frame and yet the Roscoe still didn't feel "right". It sure has turned into a nice bike, now though.
@@BlackMan614 x cal is a different bike. It's an xc bike made more for speed.
@@bryanmiller5692 Yes, I know. Moron.
So what’ll bike manufacturers come up with in two years for next generation and a bump to 15k.
There are plenty of 15k bikes today. Thank God they make more affordable ones like this one.
Abs, electric shocks and gears
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Massive hole in the bottom bracket, no chain stay or seat stay bridges. The rear end flexes so much that the tyres touch the chain stays under power.
Once you have untrued rims or bigger tyres you can't even move. I own 1 and I recommend buying something else.
I’m glad someone is giving some honest feedback. Thx.
Geo is like an On*one scandal.
They did all this but parts on this bike compare with price are way to entry level -))) entry - medium lvl fork ... entry level cassete...nx sram is the entry level from sram -)) you just pay the name and not the parts
Looks like a Stache but without the plus tires. So... not as fun.
$2400 with a 35 fork? yeah, I don't think so. I understand they have to keep their massive marketing team fed but you could get a better Vitus for like $1900.
Which bikes would you recommend then?
@@ttom2460 so I've never ridden their frames but the vitus sentier VR seems like the best deal on the market for an entry level bike that doesn't really need any upgrades. That z2 fork kills the competition. Recon or lesser won't perform at high speeds. (Source: riding fast trails on a recon)
For that price I'd rather buy a Orbea Laufey H-LTD
That’s my bike. But in a M/L
Specialized fuse is better
I wish they would have gone steeper on the seat tube. 73.1 is not steep by modern standards. It should have been at least 75. Otherwise looks fun and playful.
With the extended reach "modern geometry" is headed I think a super steep seat tube angle would make this bike feel a bit unbalanced. There are always give and takes with bike geometry. The short chainstays allow the seat tube angle to remain in the 73-75 degree angle and still keep the bike planted in climbs as well as descents. If the chainstays were longer the ST angle would be steeper. The store I work at sells these and the folks that have bought this bike seem to really dig it. I wish it were a bit lighter, but these days a stock rig at under 30lbs is considered acceptable.
@@radicalturkey a steeper seat angle makes a world of difference when you are climbing a long steep hill. You can stay in the seat and keep your weight centered for better traction on both wheels.
It will be more effectively once you’re sitting on the bike and your fork is sagging
@@mseekles1972 that will lean you forward more but it wont get you closer to the bars. Looking further down in the comments someone wrote that the real effective seat angle is actually 75. This is much closer to the modern geo that we have been seeing lately but still not especially steep. The current trend is 77-78. I am not sure if the 77-78 is better as I have not ridden anything greater than 76 but I know that 73 is way too slack for the longer reach of these newer bikes.
@@thesilversender that was exactly my point, in reality the bike has a much steeper seat tube angle when you’re riding it, because it’s a hardtail, which will benefit the climbing/peddling efficiency. In comparison, It’s slacker then a slash or top fuel but those are fullsus bikes bit it’s steeper then a supercaliber / x caliber. If you find the bike to long, and you’re to far of the bars then I would look at another size / reach number, they have a size ML which pretty much fits me perfectly.
Priced a little rich.🙄
Hard tails are the way to go, and can ride the widest array of terrain - including Whistler Bike Park. Gravel bikes are a fad.
NX cassette, NX shifter, steel chain ring, and fork are all garbage. Get a GX cassette, xo1 shifter, and at least a pike select and that’ll make the rig a lot nicer.
Not quite perfect. It still has quick release and a straight head tube.
The Stache was a better bike than this, shouldn't have been discontinued
Sadly trek roscoe 2022 is only a promotion only you can’t buy
Leave it to Trek to make a mediocre bike expensive.
11-50 range in that price tag - sorry but that's a rip off. The Roscoe 7 has the 10-51 Deore. The difference betwen the RL Recon and 35 is minimal for the price difference. The R8 is NOT worth the money for the spec. Don't get me wrong, its a great bike.
right, these bikes are too expensive for what they have to offer, if i could compare the new roscoes to my 2020-2021 kona big honzo, got the same rl recon fork, xt rd with xtr shifter and nx/gx rest, mt520 brakes for right under 1300 dollars
@@cezarh5473 no contest!
I'm trying to decide between the 7 and 8 (or possibly a different brand altogether). Any advice? Trek has a sale on now...Thanks.
Its immensly overpriced
73* is not a steep seattube angle. 76* degrees would be a steep seattube which is what this bike needs to have modern geometry. As is, it's just mediocre. Does Trek pay James to make these videos? It's a classic sales technique to oversell the weak feature which is the 73* seatube angle.
Trek does not pay me, nor have they ever paid me. Likely they don't know I exist
@@Jamesthebikeguy I was "poking the bear" because I sensed that something wasn't right. So went to the Roscoe geo chart. The effective seattube angle is 75* while the actual seatube angle is 73*. When talking about geometry, it's the effective STA that matters and 75* makes more sense. However, by modern geometry standards, even 75* STA is not particularly steep. A typical modern trailbike generally has a 76-78* STA.
Canyon stoic 4 better components and much cheaper
overpriced and under specced...many bikes out there better value for money than this and just because next years bike is the same spec as the 22 model doesnt make it a 23 spec better lol...
This is an entirely different bike than the one that came before it. The prior generation is a totally different frame, different suspension, travel different wheel sizes all of that.