This new Roscoe is completely different from last year's model. The only thing it shares is the name. I'm excited for this model to start hitting sales floors soon.
Any idea when they might arrive at bike shops . A few months ago after you mentioned the new Roscoe I went to a dealer here in Phoenix and they said the 9 model wouldn’t be available until 2023 which didn’t make sense to me . Why announce a new bike if it wouldn’t be available for another year. Seeing that you have one hopefully they’ll be available early 2022 .
It’s refreshing that Trek has updated the Geo and went “all in” with this Roscoe. It’s obvious that they realized that a segment of hardtail buyers are not just budgeted buyers that want an entry level bike but can’t get a full suspension. Look again at the Geo and the fork. It’s a better fork and more advanced Geo than many full suspension bikes with 130-140 travel. You forgot to mention that Trek now uses threaded BB and I definitely feel that is an upgrade.
The Rapid drive hub has 108 points of engagement. I've got several sets of Bontrager wheels, alloy and carbon with the Rapid drive hubs. They roll really well
Also, I think the Roscoe 8 is 54 points of engagement. The pawl upgrade to make it 108 costs about $30 and takes about 5 minutes to do even if you've never done it before.
I have been watching your channel for years! I've been riding the same Schwinn Homegrown Factory Team since 1999 (made at the Yeti factory). It's been a single speed for the last 10 or so years. I finally pulled the trigger on a new bike this week and got the Roscoe 9. Thank you so much for this thoughtful and thorough review as it really helped with decision making, I would have rather purchased a smaller brand or something more unique but in Halifax, Nova Scotia this was the only bike I could test ride in this class. I am a hair shorter than 5'8". I test rode the ML and the reach felt fantastic but with the dropper extended and inserted as far as it would go it was just long enough that my knee locked out and it wasn't going to work without switching to a shorter travel post. The shop had to order a Medium. I bring this up for anyone test riding-be sure the shop adjusts the seat height before you pull the trigger! And now I have to rewatch your video on how to ride a modern geometry hardtail!!
I find it funny that I built up my Ragley Big Al while working at a Trek dealer and a lot of the guys were questioning why I was building a roudy HT for Arizona? These new Roscoes will fly off the floor. I'm so glad I built my Big Al. You inspired me to build it Steve and it's my favorite bike and is constantly getting compliments! Thanks for all that you do for our community Steve! 🤙🏼
@@fongdong2725 Before I could even ride it my gf leaned another bike up against it and chipped the paint on the top tube. Lucky they supplied it with touch up paint which is nice. Something Trek and many others don't do.
Super late to the party but I just purchased a Roscoe 7. As a newb to the sport I just wasn’t willing to dish out the extra money for the 8 or 9 and felt the 7 was great value from the research I did. So far I am loving it and the geo is amazing. My last bike was an older specialized rockhopper and I can tell a huge difference in the capabilities and just having the confidence to hit features. Great review 🤙🏻
I ordered the Roscoe 7 this fall and can't wait to get my hands on it. It will be my first "real mountain bike". So I'm really looking forward to seeing your review on how it rides!
Great unboxing breakdown, please post a ride review soon. I think it looks really good, and Trek did well with it. Have you done a video about how you dial in your forks? I've never had a fork that I felt I got working as good as it could, and that even following lots of directions properly.
Love my Roscoe 9. got new stem, bars, dropper, rorors, and grips. Its a beast! I ride everything on this. It could corner a bit better but otherwise its amazing, it really is
Great looking bike! Trek is one of the few companies that can shift the industry, which is a good thing when they do good things. I know this is a trail bike but would have loved clearance for a full 29x3. Still have my 2015 Stache (the last before the 29+ version) and it’s still a great bike despite the “old” geo. Keep ‘em coming!
“The hardtail is the right choice for some people.” TRUTH! That’s what I choose to ride. All. Day. Long. I still love my Stache, but this Roscoe sounds cool.
I ordered the Roscoe 8 today because it had the best delivery date. Delivery of April 2022. The 7 was June and the 9 was to be delivered in 2025 XD. Cant wait to ride!
I had my heart set on the Roscoe 7 when It was first released, the closest shop near me that could give me an estimate said I would not get it till Thanksgiving 2022... You convinced me on your Santa Cruz Chameleon so went with that instead. So glad I did! Still, I am excited to see your review of this! Keep the great content coming!
Great video and timing. The Roscoe 9 is on my 2022 wishlist. Was just thinking hope you’ll make a review/test video and here it is. At least your first impression for now.
Stoked to see the riding review! I love the combo of the looks and components. Great review - very informative and honest. I can't wait to see this thing ship already.
My wife has a Roscoe 8 on order in a pretty blue sparkle colour. I’m looking forward to throwing a leg over it too and comparing how it rides compared to my v7 alloy chameleon. Interestingly a lot of riders don’t like the fatter tyres and don’t go past 2.5’s because the larger contact patch feels too floaty.
Even my old ,2020 Roscoe 7 wasn't a bad bike. It was budget, don't get me wrong but for a winter bike next to my Cptic full suspension it was great and I loved it. I spent more on upgrades than the bike cost but thats by the by 😂
Orbea just released the new Laufey (same frame as Dusty Betty’s). You indicated the Roscoe may not be fun to pedal around, I’d be interested if you think it’s similar to the Laufey.
I may need your service. I am on the fence of getting a new full suspension getting rid of my current fs. Then considering getting this trek and keeping my 14 slash with a nice service. 2 fun bikes or one great game bike. First and foremost most are you smiling on your 🤷♂️
I have a Roscoe 8 on order due for delivery in February 2022 but I just picked up a new Salsa Timberjack SLX 27.5, problem is I still kinda want the roscoe too 😂
Tried to order a Roscoe 7 from my LBS but was told earliest delivery is Aug/Sep 2022. Shopped around and found a 2022 Fuse Comp 29 in another city 3500 km away. Bought it. Couldn't wait until late next summer.
Why arent bottle mounts simply external? It isnt difficult to mount 3-4mm nuts outside of the frame tube, allowing for short bolts that wouldnt protrude into the frame hollow.
Nice first look. It would be a pretty tough choice for me between the 8 and 9 both are very competent builds. The RS 35 is a good enough fork that I wouldn't be tempted to change it out. If it were to be my only bike I would probably go 9, if it were a secondary bike I would go for the 8. The 8 also has nicer color options fwiw.
Looking forward to the ride review. My local bike shop is a Trek stockist. I'm just hoping he's able to get stock of some new Roscoe's so I can check em out
Little late to the party! Like some of the other reply's you also convinced me on another bike, a Ragley! My mmmbop will be delivered Friday. Nonetheless, looking forward to the riding review, i still may look at the 9 next year, in the meantime I have a Ragley to break in. Thanks, I'll see ya at the party!
Looked forward to this review, and still hope that you get your hands on a NP Scout Pro to face against this new Roscoe, as they have similar builds and prices. Cheers.
Great review Steve!!! Just saw the new NP top of the line is $4499 au that's an extra $800 more than the Roscoe 9! I've test rode the 8 recently and loved it, going for the 9 don't really dig the colour but its just way more economical.
Hey. I bought a Trek Roscoe 9 recently and was wondering what tires you have preferred to use on this bike? Just so you know, the trails I'll be using it on are intermediate level. Similar to the trails I see you ride in some of your videos. Thanks
My wife's on her gravel bike with mix-road wheels has these Trek hub with the 108 points and it's be great. We got it for a cheap price as the owner was upgrading to carbon wheels for his xc bike. It has been issue free all summer through fall. Would do it again. I think Trek use to partner with DT Swiss to make their hubs & learned from them.
You don't need to sacrifice dropper length for a water bottle, or sacrifice a water bottle for dropper length. You CAN mount a water bottle on a frame without traditional bottle mounts. Just clamp, tape, or lash it on(and be able to position it exactly where you want it), and have a short seat tube that you can shove a dropper all the way into.
2:38 it's not just a lot for a hardtail, it's a lot considering that it comes with a fox rhythm fork and SLX/XT mix. The Roscoe 8 is only $250 less than a Giant Trance X 29 but it comes wwith the same fork and brakes, but also rear suspension and Maxxis tires ALREADY set up tubeless. All of these bikes are terrible deals considering what you pay and what it comes with when looking at other brands.
I agree with you but unfortunately I believe prices are just going up in general. I recently been helping a friend get into mountain biking and he has been shopping for a bike the prices are just higher. I've had to actually change my mindset a little bit and raise his price range. Times are a changin
@@billw_mtb5333 The Trance X 2, which has similar parts to this, goes for $3500. That's over $800 more for inferior brakes, inferior hubs, inferior wheels, and a pressfit bb. Is that rear suspension worth the extra $800 with inerior parts? Everything is getting more expensive, sadly. Not everyone who rides a hardtail rides one because they can't afford FS. In a lot of places, a hardtail is more fun, so we need to break out of the mindset that hardtails should be bargain basement bikes all the time.
After your earlier video, half year ago, about this upcoming Roscoe, I decided to order a red coloured Roscoe 9. Especially your enthusiasm about the geometry with the fork and explanation about this combo instead to look at the group of the drive train. Try local Trek dealer will change the whole brakes and the shifter to XT (why doesn’t Trek install a XT shifter with a SLX derailleur) and a other dropper with a XTR leveller, because there is no XT version. 😅 Expected month of delivery is June of 2022. 🥵 I’m 1.76m and at this moment I cycle on a 2020 X-Caliber 9 size M, it felt to small so I’ve ordered a M/L (with the agreement to change to an other size if necessary). N.B. The old Roscoe and the X-Caliber used the same frame.
I just tried out a friend's 2018 Trek fuel . The ride was plush and the cornering was great but I did not have any more or less fun with my budget hardtail so it has not persuaded me to go full suspension but I will give it a few more rides
Thank you very much. The best review video for this bike. In the specification of Trek is the Shimano BR M6120 four piston break (Deore) installed on this bike. But in your video I do not recognize the Deore designation but only the Shimano lettering which points to the cheap BR MT520. Is there a reason for this? Best regards from Bavaria, Andy
We have to standardize a way to make watter bottle mounts not inhibit dropper posts. We keep compromising 2 bottles from drop when there has to be a way to have both.
@@hardtailparty I saw that! Now it just needs to become more standard. You should do a video on how awesome it is, and how companies should follow suit!
@@hardtailparty I would pay more to a certain extent.. The bikes were reasonable back in the day. It wouldn't be to bad if big manufacturers were willing to split the difference but , they would rather pass it all on to the consumer, nowadays. Corporate greed hardly ever goes backwards. That's the problem in every industry. I just hope they have learned from what's happened over the last two years and make things better for the future. My local trek shop had no idea when they could get me a new Roscoe. Sad.
I could be completely wrong here but I thought that the Roscoe was a 29" by 2.8 not 2.6. Again not entirely sure but just thought I'd point it out. If someone could answer that would be amazing, Thanks!
Im curious to get your opinion regarding the quality of the integrated headset cup to bearing interface and alignment( relative to other bikes on your channel). I have a 2019 Trek, and im curious if i just got a 🍋, or if the baggy, and wobbly (not flush) fit is typical. I have only 1 other bike with an integrated headset, and the difference is night and day.
@@jurisx85 I think it's great. Granted, I've never ridden on a high-end fork, so maybe it's not that great, but I'm very happy with it. I've seen people complain that it's noisy, and it does happen to me from time to time, but 95% of the time it's quiet for me.
From what I read on the MTBR forum, the Giant Crest fork has had recalls due to clicking issues. Also the 55m offset chainring causes the chain to fall off, wear out prematurely. Praxis is giving free replacements to a 52mm offset
Interesting video on all points. My paradox build is pretty similar to this for not a lot more money - about $300 aud, but that took about 5 months sourcing parts and building it up. If I had the chance to pick up something like this with similar specs on paper I probably would have.
I talked about that in the video. I haven't checked for fit, but I believe they will. However, those that love 27.5+ will more than likely love these 29x2.6. They have a very similar feel, but they're faster rollling.
In the UK it costs £2,550 and it’s alpha Gold aluminum, the Procaliber 9.6 has the same spec minus the fork is carbon fiber and costs £2,350, so why pay more for the Roscoe when you can pay less and get a carbon frame bike?
The Esker you reviewed also was 2.6 on 30mm, no? Kona also specs 30mm 2.6 on their Unit line up too. Maybe 32mm internal would be the better choice here 2.8 wouldn't fit in the front and rear would it?
I have a 2020 Roscoe 8, it's been a good bike for me. I have only two complaints; no thru-axle which makes for upgrades on wheelsets a pain and the Rockshox Gold 35 RL hasn't been that great (Had internal seal leaks, causing the wiper seal to blow out, SRAM warranteed it. Now having a possible valve sticking sporadically on the air side causing the fork to dive like it has no air, but a couple quick bounces and it firms back up). I was on a budget and bike availability in size large was limited, but regardless I have done a ton of rides in the last 18+ months. Once I get my kids through college, I will be investing in a custom built hardtail.
I love my 2020 Roscoe 7. Perfect for my needs which are pretty mundane - mostly a short commute and grocery-getting accentuated by occasional camping trips and trail riding in a non-mountainous region. I like the new Roscoe and am really excited to see my favorite bike reviewer has landed one. I do hope Trek fills the old niche somehow. A basic chill frame that has nice rack mounts and can still be ordered with decent trail components at a great price had inceredible value even if it isn't a total shredder. 27.5+ tires are so easy to manage yet comfortable and planted. Great for crossing slippy bits like frozen puddles crusted with snow without having to go with studded tires.
Great vid... Problem with bikes and droppers, is they have to aim at the lowest denominator i.e. what will the shortest legs be on this steed. Having owned a few bikes now and having been in the sport for close to a decade, I've learnt that your personal preferences are always going to necessitate changes out of the box. As you pointed out, bars will need trimmed and/or swapped, grips will need swapped, saddles, longer dropper posts (my fav is Oneup due to being able to adjust travel incrementally) etc. Good sound advice and I look forward to your thoughts on the ride. What was the HTA & stack...??
You mentioned a preference for the reach being greater than the chainstay length. Why is that and what kind of effect does it have on the ride? Also, does this preference apply to XC bikes as well? I have an XC bike and after seeing this vid I looked up my bike's geometry and discovered that the chainstay (435mm) is actually longer than the reach (420mm) for a size medium. It does have a pretty slack head tube angle for an XC bike though, 67 degrees and a longer than normal wheel base at 1144.5, kinda leaning a little bit towards trail geometry.
regarding the 2 water bottle issue. How hard is it for Trek to design a seat tube with external water bottle thread mounts that don't go inside the seat tube? Surely it can't be that hard?
Hello was wondering if you could help with making my mind up if I should get. Large or xl bike I’m 6”3 and 35inseam ride around town with my son and his the odd trails with him looking at trek Roscoe 8
I do my bike consultation over on patron. Patreon.com/hardtailparty If you're sold on the Roscoe, I recommend heading to your local trek dealer to throw a leg over a few different sizes to see what works for you
I was waiting a year and a half for kona's big honzo dl to become available. It took so long, the Trek roscoe 9 was debuted by the time kona's 22 model became available, so I was debating on whether to go with the trek or kona. I raced bmx 20yrs ago and felt like a 27.5 tire would be a little more fun. There were no 9s available yet when I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a the big honzo dl a few months ago. Interested to hear your thoughts and see the review. Hopefully I didn't make too wrong of a decision lol.
I wish trek didn't have their name so big on the frame. Trek could have bumped out the mounting lug on the post for the water bottle so that the lugs didn't interfere with the dropper post.
For reference, and Industry 9 Hydra hub which is about as high end as it gets has a half degree of engagement. I’d say anything around 3-5 degrees is optimal.
@@hardtailparty I feel like that would be the easy part. Putting new external guides would be the hard part. My first thought was to epoxy them on 🤣. Yeah probably not worth it.
Will be looking forward to the review on this. Really excited to see you get this. Paint concept is cool on this bike, but the color choice is a bit drab for me. But if it rides well who cares!
I've ridden a few aluminum treks in recent years, and even when I wasn't as in tune with ride quality, they always felt really stiff. Hopefully they've got a rear end that's a bit softer on this bad boy- otherwise this seems to be a very promising vicarious first look!!
It's seems like this is the combination of the previous Roscoe and the discontinued Stache. Not full 29+ but it has taken the place of the top end trail hardtail.
I was so sad to see the stache go. Apparently the Stache didn't sell well worldwide, but among bike enthusiasts, it was a trek favorite. Big companies like Trek focus on making bikes that sell really well more than niche bikes that might be unique and a blast to ride, but not great sellers. It's too bad, as the stache is still one of my favorite hardtails.
I'll do my best to keep 29x3.0 alive. It's one of my favorite tire sizes. I have a few builders I'm working with who are coming out with some bikes that'll fit 'em. We'll have to sit tight to wait for them, but it'll be worth it.
By the way: Next week my frame finally arrives. Ordered XL in april, but ended up cancelling the order last week because the frameset became available in L. Can't wait to put the parts on, which were sitting on an Octane One Hooner for the last 2 months. :)
Any chance of getting a new Yelli Screamy in for review? Looks like it might be in your ballpark for geo numbers. Semi-slack, steep seat tube, shortish chainstays....
I am always surprised by the guy from Arizona not wanting a second water bottle. I am on the Canadian side of the Great Lakes and I drain both bottles on a ride. If I only have one bottle, I need a camelback.
Looking forward for a ride review. I was looking on the previous version, but the geo was not quite what I wanted. So it is good to see that Trek made such an update. I was patient and waited for new version of Qayron Spyro. Glad I didn't choose the older Trek ;) With the new one the decision would be much difficult. Great overview as always, Steve. I'm enjoying every video you post.
This new Roscoe is completely different from last year's model. The only thing it shares is the name. I'm excited for this model to start hitting sales floors soon.
Can you lower the seat post further if you remove the water bottle bolts?
Any idea when they might arrive at bike shops . A few months ago after you mentioned the new Roscoe I went to a dealer here in Phoenix and they said the 9 model wouldn’t be available until 2023 which didn’t make sense to me . Why announce a new bike if it wouldn’t be available for another year. Seeing that you have one hopefully they’ll be available early 2022 .
@@hughsnyder891 He must have meant 2022.
@@hughsnyder891 Here in Aus I was able to put a deposit down for Feb/March 2022 delivery.
When is the ride review!?!?!?! Waiting intensely!!!
It’s refreshing that Trek has updated the Geo and went “all in” with this Roscoe. It’s obvious that they realized that a segment of hardtail buyers are not just budgeted buyers that want an entry level bike but can’t get a full suspension. Look again at the Geo and the fork. It’s a better fork and more advanced Geo than many full suspension bikes with 130-140 travel. You forgot to mention that Trek now uses threaded BB and I definitely feel that is an upgrade.
As a dealer who is eagerly waiting for the delivery of the first ones: I hate you and thank you for the first impression :D
As I fan of this bike and being told I cant get this until December 2023 I hate him too!
I've got a frame coming at the end of February so it wont be long but yet it is forever lol
Some dealers will get lucky and are getting shipments of these in the coming weeks. Other dealers will have to wait a bit longer.
@@hardtailparty im unlucky and need xl frame
@@tbone12787 try checking with some different dealers. See my video on "how bad is the bike shortage"
The Rapid drive hub has 108 points of engagement. I've got several sets of Bontrager wheels, alloy and carbon with the Rapid drive hubs. They roll really well
Also, I think the Roscoe 8 is 54 points of engagement. The pawl upgrade to make it 108 costs about $30 and takes about 5 minutes to do even if you've never done it before.
@@oklahotb3217 the 8 apparently has the same hub as the 9, which is cool to see.
party you are right. The 7 has Shimano hubs, not the Bontrager hubs so the upgrade I was referring to doesn't apply. I'll edit my post.
I have been watching your channel for years! I've been riding the same Schwinn Homegrown Factory Team since 1999 (made at the Yeti factory). It's been a single speed for the last 10 or so years. I finally pulled the trigger on a new bike this week and got the Roscoe 9. Thank you so much for this thoughtful and thorough review as it really helped with decision making, I would have rather purchased a smaller brand or something more unique but in Halifax, Nova Scotia this was the only bike I could test ride in this class. I am a hair shorter than 5'8". I test rode the ML and the reach felt fantastic but with the dropper extended and inserted as far as it would go it was just long enough that my knee locked out and it wasn't going to work without switching to a shorter travel post. The shop had to order a Medium. I bring this up for anyone test riding-be sure the shop adjusts the seat height before you pull the trigger! And now I have to rewatch your video on how to ride a modern geometry hardtail!!
I find it funny that I built up my Ragley Big Al while working at a Trek dealer and a lot of the guys were questioning why I was building a roudy HT for Arizona? These new Roscoes will fly off the floor.
I'm so glad I built my Big Al. You inspired me to build it Steve and it's my favorite bike and is constantly getting compliments! Thanks for all that you do for our community Steve! 🤙🏼
The big Al is a beast though 😀
@@JoeJoe-C137 For my style riding 100%
Got a big Al rides great, paint chips when you sneeze at it 😂
@@fongdong2725 Before I could even ride it my gf leaned another bike up against it and chipped the paint on the top tube. Lucky they supplied it with touch up paint which is nice. Something Trek and many others don't do.
Just ordered the same bike today can’t wait
Congrats!
Super late to the party but I just purchased a Roscoe 7. As a newb to the sport I just wasn’t willing to dish out the extra money for the 8 or 9 and felt the 7 was great value from the research I did. So far I am loving it and the geo is amazing. My last bike was an older specialized rockhopper and I can tell a huge difference in the capabilities and just having the confidence to hit features.
Great review 🤙🏻
What is better about the Roscoe 7 than the 6?
I ordered the Roscoe 7 this fall and can't wait to get my hands on it. It will be my first "real mountain bike". So I'm really looking forward to seeing your review on how it rides!
Great unboxing breakdown, please post a ride review soon. I think it looks really good, and Trek did well with it. Have you done a video about how you dial in your forks? I've never had a fork that I felt I got working as good as it could, and that even following lots of directions properly.
Love my Roscoe 9. got new stem, bars, dropper, rorors, and grips. Its a beast! I ride everything on this. It could corner a bit better but otherwise its amazing, it really is
Great looking bike! Trek is one of the few companies that can shift the industry, which is a good thing when they do good things. I know this is a trail bike but would have loved clearance for a full 29x3. Still have my 2015 Stache (the last before the 29+ version) and it’s still a great bike despite the “old” geo. Keep ‘em coming!
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Just got mine on the mail today!! I know it's an old video but I just wanted to thank you for helping me decide
“The hardtail is the right choice for some people.” TRUTH! That’s what I choose to ride. All. Day. Long. I still love my Stache, but this Roscoe sounds cool.
I ordered the Roscoe 8 today because it had the best delivery date. Delivery of April 2022. The 7 was June and the 9 was to be delivered in 2025 XD. Cant wait to ride!
I had my heart set on the Roscoe 7 when It was first released, the closest shop near me that could give me an estimate said I would not get it till Thanksgiving 2022...
You convinced me on your Santa Cruz Chameleon so went with that instead. So glad I did! Still, I am excited to see your review of this! Keep the great content coming!
Roscoe 9s are out till 2025 now :D
Great video and timing. The Roscoe 9 is on my 2022 wishlist. Was just thinking hope you’ll make a review/test video and here it is. At least your first impression for now.
Stoked to see the riding review! I love the combo of the looks and components. Great review - very informative and honest. I can't wait to see this thing ship already.
My wife has a Roscoe 8 on order in a pretty blue sparkle colour. I’m looking forward to throwing a leg over it too and comparing how it rides compared to my v7 alloy chameleon. Interestingly a lot of riders don’t like the fatter tyres and don’t go past 2.5’s because the larger contact patch feels too floaty.
very enticing review, thank you!
Hey it's 2 years later and I can get one, new for 1550 . Shall I jump ?? 🤔
This will be my upgrade from the Marlin 7
The only thing I'd upgrade is the SLX shifter to an XT for the multi-upshift. Also, the Roscoe 8 (blue) is a much nicer colour!
I’ll take the 9 in crimson (red)
1:31 I work at a bike shop ... We actually try to save as much as possible.
i.e cutting the zip ties correctly to re-use them
Even my old ,2020 Roscoe 7 wasn't a bad bike. It was budget, don't get me wrong but for a winter bike next to my Cptic full suspension it was great and I loved it. I spent more on upgrades than the bike cost but thats by the by 😂
I’m on the list for a Roscoe 7, I have been waiting for this review for a long time. So excited!
Orbea just released the new Laufey (same frame as Dusty Betty’s). You indicated the Roscoe may not be fun to pedal around, I’d be interested if you think it’s similar to the Laufey.
I may need your service. I am on the fence of getting a new full suspension getting rid of my current fs. Then considering getting this trek and keeping my 14 slash with a nice service. 2 fun bikes or one great game bike. First and foremost most are you smiling on your 🤷♂️
I have a Roscoe 8 on order due for delivery in February 2022 but I just picked up a new Salsa Timberjack SLX 27.5, problem is I still kinda want the roscoe too 😂
They ride completely different from each other. More info once the rode review drops.
@@hardtailparty stoked for it!
Tried to order a Roscoe 7 from my LBS but was told earliest delivery is Aug/Sep 2022. Shopped around and found a 2022 Fuse Comp 29 in another city 3500 km away. Bought it. Couldn't wait until late next summer.
Nice review as always. This bike looks very similar to the giant fathom. I’m glad trek and giant finally went with boost thru bolt axles.
Why arent bottle mounts simply external? It isnt difficult to mount 3-4mm nuts outside of the frame tube, allowing for short bolts that wouldnt protrude into the frame hollow.
My thoughts exactly
Nice first look. It would be a pretty tough choice for me between the 8 and 9 both are very competent builds. The RS 35 is a good enough fork that I wouldn't be tempted to change it out. If it were to be my only bike I would probably go 9, if it were a secondary bike I would go for the 8. The 8 also has nicer color options fwiw.
Looking forward to the ride review. My local bike shop is a Trek stockist. I'm just hoping he's able to get stock of some new Roscoe's so I can check em out
Little late to the party! Like some of the other reply's you also convinced me on another bike, a Ragley! My mmmbop will be delivered Friday. Nonetheless, looking forward to the riding review, i still may look at the 9 next year, in the meantime I have a Ragley to break in. Thanks, I'll see ya at the party!
I was told April would be the earliest I could get one. I guess I will wait to get started in MTB.
The new Roscoe, 7 8 and 9, is like a hardtail version of the fuel ex!!
Can't wait to see this running. In the ride review can you talk about the differences between the 9 and the 8?
Can't wait to see the review!
As always, great thorough review!
I’ve been WAITING for this review.. Thank You ….. 🇺🇸
Looked forward to this review, and still hope that you get your hands on a NP Scout Pro to face against this new Roscoe, as they have similar builds and prices. Cheers.
Great review Steve!!! Just saw the new NP top of the line is $4499 au that's an extra $800 more than the Roscoe 9! I've test rode the 8 recently and loved it, going for the 9 don't really dig the colour but its just way more economical.
Can't wait for the ride review Steve!
Wow, look forward to your ride review of this bike.
Hey. I bought a Trek Roscoe 9 recently and was wondering what tires you have preferred to use on this bike? Just so you know, the trails I'll be using it on are intermediate level. Similar to the trails I see you ride in some of your videos. Thanks
@@step1idiomas tire selection depends on so many things. Dirt conditions, desire for max grip or max speed, etc.
My wife's on her gravel bike with mix-road wheels has these Trek hub with the 108 points and it's be great. We got it for a cheap price as the owner was upgrading to carbon wheels for his xc bike. It has been issue free all summer through fall. Would do it again. I think Trek use to partner with DT Swiss to make their hubs & learned from them.
Pre ordered mine won’t receive my Trek Roscoe 9 until July to November 2022 here in Australia 🇦🇺
You don't need to sacrifice dropper length for a water bottle, or sacrifice a water bottle for dropper length. You CAN mount a water bottle on a frame without traditional bottle mounts. Just clamp, tape, or lash it on(and be able to position it exactly where you want it), and have a short seat tube that you can shove a dropper all the way into.
I can’t wait to get mine except it’s not supposed to come till 2023
2:38 it's not just a lot for a hardtail, it's a lot considering that it comes with a fox rhythm fork and SLX/XT mix. The Roscoe 8 is only $250 less than a Giant Trance X 29 but it comes wwith the same fork and brakes, but also rear suspension and Maxxis tires ALREADY set up tubeless. All of these bikes are terrible deals considering what you pay and what it comes with when looking at other brands.
I agree with you but unfortunately I believe prices are just going up in general. I recently been helping a friend get into mountain biking and he has been shopping for a bike the prices are just higher. I've had to actually change my mindset a little bit and raise his price range. Times are a changin
That Trance X you are referring to is now $3550.
@@billw_mtb5333 The Trance X 2, which has similar parts to this, goes for $3500. That's over $800 more for inferior brakes, inferior hubs, inferior wheels, and a pressfit bb. Is that rear suspension worth the extra $800 with inerior parts? Everything is getting more expensive, sadly. Not everyone who rides a hardtail rides one because they can't afford FS. In a lot of places, a hardtail is more fun, so we need to break out of the mindset that hardtails should be bargain basement bikes all the time.
I do like the CTD option on my current fork and like the 2 position options
After your earlier video, half year ago, about this upcoming Roscoe, I decided to order a red coloured Roscoe 9. Especially your enthusiasm about the geometry with the fork and explanation about this combo instead to look at the group of the drive train. Try local Trek dealer will change the whole brakes and the shifter to XT (why doesn’t Trek install a XT shifter with a SLX derailleur) and a other dropper with a XTR leveller, because there is no XT version. 😅
Expected month of delivery is June of 2022. 🥵
I’m 1.76m and at this moment I cycle on a 2020 X-Caliber 9 size M, it felt to small so I’ve ordered a M/L (with the agreement to change to an other size if necessary).
N.B. The old Roscoe and the X-Caliber used the same frame.
I’m really excited about this bike!
I just tried out a friend's 2018 Trek fuel . The ride was plush and the cornering was great but I did not have any more or less fun with my budget hardtail so it has not persuaded me to go full suspension but I will give it a few more rides
It finally gets its time to shine. 👏🏼
2 years too late, but better late than never.
I bet you could drill out the water bottle mounts to accommodate the dropper
When I saw that the Stache was discontinued I wondered if this was going to happen. Really like the specs.
Thank you very much. The best review video for this bike.
In the specification of Trek is the Shimano BR M6120 four piston break (Deore) installed on this bike. But in your video I do not recognize the Deore designation but only the Shimano lettering which points to the cheap BR MT520. Is there a reason for this?
Best regards from Bavaria, Andy
We have to standardize a way to make watter bottle mounts not inhibit dropper posts. We keep compromising 2 bottles from drop when there has to be a way to have both.
See my neuhaus first look. Nick solved it.
@@hardtailparty I saw that! Now it just needs to become more standard. You should do a video on how awesome it is, and how companies should follow suit!
I wish Trek would bring manufacturing back to the USA. I miss my old Waterloo, Wi bikes.
Me too, but the prices would likely double
@@hardtailparty I would pay more to a certain extent.. The bikes were reasonable back in the day. It wouldn't be to bad if big manufacturers were willing to split the difference but , they would rather pass it all on to the consumer, nowadays. Corporate greed hardly ever goes backwards. That's the problem in every industry. I just hope they have learned from what's happened over the last two years and make things better for the future. My local trek shop had no idea when they could get me a new Roscoe. Sad.
I could be completely wrong here but I thought that the Roscoe was a 29" by 2.8 not 2.6. Again not entirely sure but just thought I'd point it out. If someone could answer that would be amazing, Thanks!
Im curious to get your opinion regarding the quality of the integrated headset cup to bearing interface and alignment( relative to other bikes on your channel). I have a 2019 Trek, and im curious if i just got a 🍋, or if the baggy, and wobbly (not flush) fit is typical. I have only 1 other bike with an integrated headset, and the difference is night and day.
We are waiting this review!!!!
I don't want to rush it. These things take time.
I hope you get a chance to try the Giant Fathom. I've got one (and I love it), but I'm curious what your thoughts are.
That looks like a great bike. Not sure about the fork though. How is it?
@@jurisx85 I think it's great. Granted, I've never ridden on a high-end fork, so maybe it's not that great, but I'm very happy with it. I've seen people complain that it's noisy, and it does happen to me from time to time, but 95% of the time it's quiet for me.
From what I read on the MTBR forum, the Giant Crest fork has had recalls due to clicking issues. Also the 55m offset chainring causes the chain to fall off, wear out prematurely. Praxis is giving free replacements to a 52mm offset
Interesting video on all points. My paradox build is pretty similar to this for not a lot more money - about $300 aud, but that took about 5 months sourcing parts and building it up. If I had the chance to pick up something like this with similar specs on paper I probably would have.
Good looking bike. Trek did a good job with this one. I still wish the Stache would've been upgraded.
Do you think this bike will be good whistlers bc Canada
I think I'v easked before, does or do you think a 27.5+ wheel will still fit?
I talked about that in the video. I haven't checked for fit, but I believe they will. However, those that love 27.5+ will more than likely love these 29x2.6. They have a very similar feel, but they're faster rollling.
In the UK it costs £2,550 and it’s alpha Gold aluminum, the Procaliber 9.6 has the same spec minus the fork is carbon fiber and costs £2,350, so why pay more for the Roscoe when you can pay less and get a carbon frame bike?
see my bike on 5 tips for buying your next bike. You assume carbon is more important than geometry.
Doesn't the Roscoe 6 have the same frame now? In that case, what's better, the Cannondale Habit HT2 or Roscoe 6?
That's a question for my bike consultation service over on Patreob. Id be happy to help you over there. Patreon.com/hardtailparty
This could be my next progression, currently on a very heavily modified Marlin 8 and im outgrowing it
The Esker you reviewed also was 2.6 on 30mm, no? Kona also specs 30mm 2.6 on their Unit line up too. Maybe 32mm internal would be the better choice here 2.8 wouldn't fit in the front and rear would it?
Waiting for a roscoe 8 myself because it was 12 month wait for the 9
I have a 2020 Roscoe 8, it's been a good bike for me. I have only two complaints; no thru-axle which makes for upgrades on wheelsets a pain and the Rockshox Gold 35 RL hasn't been that great (Had internal seal leaks, causing the wiper seal to blow out, SRAM warranteed it. Now having a possible valve sticking sporadically on the air side causing the fork to dive like it has no air, but a couple quick bounces and it firms back up). I was on a budget and bike availability in size large was limited, but regardless I have done a ton of rides in the last 18+ months. Once I get my kids through college, I will be investing in a custom built hardtail.
I love my 2020 Roscoe 7. Perfect for my needs which are pretty mundane - mostly a short commute and grocery-getting accentuated by occasional camping trips and trail riding in a non-mountainous region. I like the new Roscoe and am really excited to see my favorite bike reviewer has landed one. I do hope Trek fills the old niche somehow. A basic chill frame that has nice rack mounts and can still be ordered with decent trail components at a great price had inceredible value even if it isn't a total shredder. 27.5+ tires are so easy to manage yet comfortable and planted. Great for crossing slippy bits like frozen puddles crusted with snow without having to go with studded tires.
Would be interested to hear your view on modern bike sizing. You should make a post on it. Sounds like you have a different opinion on it.
I've done a video about it
Nice one, thanks! I'm with you with the qr rear hub of the other Roscoes. That alone made me looked away from it and took the NP Scout instead!
Which padels are mount ??
Great vid... Problem with bikes and droppers, is they have to aim at the lowest denominator i.e. what will the shortest legs be on this steed.
Having owned a few bikes now and having been in the sport for close to a decade, I've learnt that your personal preferences are always going to necessitate changes out of the box.
As you pointed out, bars will need trimmed and/or swapped, grips will need swapped, saddles, longer dropper posts (my fav is Oneup due to being able to adjust travel incrementally) etc.
Good sound advice and I look forward to your thoughts on the ride.
What was the HTA & stack...??
You mentioned a preference for the reach being greater than the chainstay length. Why is that and what kind of effect does it have on the ride? Also, does this preference apply to XC bikes as well? I have an XC bike and after seeing this vid I looked up my bike's geometry and discovered that the chainstay (435mm) is actually longer than the reach (420mm) for a size medium. It does have a pretty slack head tube angle for an XC bike though, 67 degrees and a longer than normal wheel base at 1144.5, kinda leaning a little bit towards trail geometry.
Can you review Trek Roscoe 7 or 8?
regarding the 2 water bottle issue. How hard is it for Trek to design a seat tube with external water bottle thread mounts that don't go inside the seat tube? Surely it can't be that hard?
Can this run 29x2.8?
Hello was wondering if you could help with making my mind up if I should get. Large or xl bike I’m 6”3 and 35inseam ride around town with my son and his the odd trails with him looking at trek Roscoe 8
I do my bike consultation over on patron. Patreon.com/hardtailparty
If you're sold on the Roscoe, I recommend heading to your local trek dealer to throw a leg over a few different sizes to see what works for you
I was waiting a year and a half for kona's big honzo dl to become available. It took so long, the Trek roscoe 9 was debuted by the time kona's 22 model became available, so I was debating on whether to go with the trek or kona. I raced bmx 20yrs ago and felt like a 27.5 tire would be a little more fun. There were no 9s available yet when I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a the big honzo dl a few months ago. Interested to hear your thoughts and see the review. Hopefully I didn't make too wrong of a decision lol.
I wish trek didn't have their name so big on the frame.
Trek could have bumped out the mounting lug on the post for the water bottle so that the lugs didn't interfere with the dropper post.
Is it available in India?
I tried to check these out and my local dealer won’t have them in the showroom floor until April 22’ 🤯🤯🤯
Is 7-9 deg engagement consider as fast engagement? What would be the optimum fast engagement value be?
For reference, and Industry 9 Hydra hub which is about as high end as it gets has a half degree of engagement. I’d say anything around 3-5 degrees is optimal.
Haha 😀 am a nerd like that too, external cables for all please
It seems like they just forgot about the seat tube angle in the redesign haha. So much better than the previous generation though.
What would be the best way to convert an internal routing bike into an external?
Not worth it in my opinion. Unless someone makes little inserts that pop into these holes. That might be cool.
@@hardtailparty I feel like that would be the easy part. Putting new external guides would be the hard part. My first thought was to epoxy them on 🤣. Yeah probably not worth it.
This and the Arc on my list for a high end hardtail, we'll see if these ever get released.
These are the two im looking at. What did you go with?
@@Saneforfun yes, I actually ended up with a Nimble9. Very happy with it.
Will be looking forward to the review on this. Really excited to see you get this. Paint concept is cool on this bike, but the color choice is a bit drab for me. But if it rides well who cares!
I've ridden a few aluminum treks in recent years, and even when I wasn't as in tune with ride quality, they always felt really stiff. Hopefully they've got a rear end that's a bit softer on this bad boy- otherwise this seems to be a very promising vicarious first look!!
They not that harsh on the rear end Trek's I've come across alot worse
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I’d love to see a review of a new Giant Fathom2, since that’s what I ride. It’d be great to hear how it compares to other hardtails.
I've been trying to get one for years, but they have zero bikes to send me.
I rode the fathom2 the other day at the shop. So smooth...I would of bought it, but only came in medium..I need a small
It's seems like this is the combination of the previous Roscoe and the discontinued Stache. Not full 29+ but it has taken the place of the top end trail hardtail.
I was so sad to see the stache go. Apparently the Stache didn't sell well worldwide, but among bike enthusiasts, it was a trek favorite. Big companies like Trek focus on making bikes that sell really well more than niche bikes that might be unique and a blast to ride, but not great sellers. It's too bad, as the stache is still one of my favorite hardtails.
@@hardtailparty I agree. Love my Stache. Hopefully 29+ doesn't completely die out. I need 29+ tires!
I'll do my best to keep 29x3.0 alive. It's one of my favorite tire sizes. I have a few builders I'm working with who are coming out with some bikes that'll fit 'em. We'll have to sit tight to wait for them, but it'll be worth it.
Hey hardtail party, do you possibly know what headset the Roscoe needs? The website just states the headset to be integrated
I don't, sorry. Your trek dealer should be able to answer that one for ya
@@hardtailparty Hey, wanted to leave this information here for others interested: The bearings are IS41/IS52.
By the way: Next week my frame finally arrives. Ordered XL in april, but ended up cancelling the order last week because the frameset became available in L. Can't wait to put the parts on, which were sitting on an Octane One Hooner for the last 2 months. :)
Any chance of getting a new Yelli Screamy in for review? Looks like it might be in your ballpark for geo numbers. Semi-slack, steep seat tube, shortish chainstays....
Yes
I am always surprised by the guy from Arizona not wanting a second water bottle. I am on the Canadian side of the Great Lakes and I drain both bottles on a ride. If I only have one bottle, I need a camelback.
What length dropper do you run? I definitely want a second water bottle, but I want a proper dropper more.
Looking forward for a ride review. I was looking on the previous version, but the geo was not quite what I wanted. So it is good to see that Trek made such an update. I was patient and waited for new version of Qayron Spyro. Glad I didn't choose the older Trek ;) With the new one the decision would be much difficult. Great overview as always, Steve. I'm enjoying every video you post.
Im 171cm tall, and cant decide wether to get the M or ML size. Can I know how tall are you. Thx
roscoe 9 is a very very nice looking hardtail