I have the medium, and love it, and I think it makes a world of difference vs the M/L...455mm to 440mm reach. I would really like to see what you think about medium - try it.
@Fun_Health_MTB I'm 511. I ride the Trek Marlin 5 3rd gen in a large size. Is that the correct size for me? I'm pretty comfortable while riding it though.
@@mushijoe nice, due to my budget tho i have a stock roscoe 7. Upgrades soon though, first thing is the brakes as i am 240 pounds and the little ol 2 pots are not liking downhills lmao
@@GokkunGuruHardtail Party is very picky with his hard tails. I remember when I was considering buying a Commencal Meta HT and found his video completely bashing on the bike. I still bought the bike and I love it!
I was EXTREMELY surprised with your ratings, but its all about what you like. I’m 5”10ish and with a large Roscoe 7 and It feels perfect! I haven’t tried any other brands because they haven’t stood out any. I’m on my 2nd Trek Hardtail and I’m loving it! I look forward to supporting you till the end. Have a great day Evan!
The 8 is a great value. Just needs alittle better fork over time. Same with the 7. Needs better brakes on this one to. You could change the frame in time and use these parts. You can try every size in the store, that is valuable. Tires are great if you have a ski lift. Flat stuff 2.6 tires are work to pedal. I’m getting some muscle tone though. Maxxis dissector 2.4 that’s my two cents
Love the concept of your series. Before buying another expensive frame though, honestly I bet it will feel way better all around if you re-run your test with the tire and suspension recommendations from Trek's website (2.6" or so tires, 20 psi). That should greatly improve most of your issues on the singletrack (compliance, rock garden, front wheel chatter, cornering, "feeling like a goon"). Honestly, with the cushcore and thinner tires in your setup vs the 2.6" stock/20 psi, it should ride and feel way better at 16 - 18 psi and maybe you can save the $750 cost of another frame !
I would be very interested in a test of the Roscoe in medium size to see if your hunch is correct. Also a test of the Marin Team Marin would be very interesting. It should have a very good comliance and fits wonderfully into the previous selection.
@@mcndjxlefnd not for what's designed for. It's a downcountry XC bike. They have a history of cracking at the seat stays as it is... sure, they've updated the frame with a gusset but that's to stop it cracking under a Cat 3 riding conditions. Sending it like a "Trail" HT is asking for brakage.. and I like the Team Marin.
I made the mistake of getting a 2023 Roscoe 7 in medium large. Rode it for about 2 weeks and swapped it out for the medium. So glad I did! Bike feels great and better fitted to me. PLEASE try a medium frame!!!
im about 5'9 and i ride an older roscoe in size large. the older version had 27.5" tires and 20mm less travel, but i do think it is a bit too large for me. I think you should definitely try a medium to give the roscoe a fair shot
Before you even said you thought it might be too big, I was thinking based on your comments before that down sizing would fix a lot of your complaints on the trek. I would like to see your thoughts on the medium
Any hardtail would have strong resistance to rock gardens. It doesnt have the back suspension to help it roll over the rock. With Hardtail riding it is all about line choice, and being light on the bike.
I have it’s predecessor, a 2001 Trek 9600. In this day and age it’s considered more of a gravel bike than a mountain bike. I got it new back in the day and still love it. It has never failed on me after 20+ years of hard use. Haven’t had to replace any parts, just general maintenance.
I have a 2007 Trek Madone road bike. It's just like your Trek, never replaced even one part. That's back when trek was still made in USA. Their new stuff is questionable IMO
I would be really interested in seeing another review with a medium frame, just to see how much sizing impacts the score. I ride a trek roscoe 7 and I love it, but everyone's different! Would be interesting to know if the fit was the problem, or if the geometry is contributing to the problems you faced.
Test a medium. I'm 5'11" and the L has been super smooth for me. It is a great "All'rounder" - I would never accuse this bike at being great at most things other than being a little better than "just okay" at everything. Definitely fun to ride as a beginner.
Nope, now you just must to do a retest with M size frame, and you need to adjust fork for different frames, because of different rider position and head angle.
5:36 The stock chain stay protector seems to be same hard, stiff plastic as older bikes, so it will move, scratch the chain stay. It will also be very noisy. Which cane be heard at 10:10. An inner tube will make it better, but the best solution is VHS 2.0 protector.
MEDIUM here in the UK unless you're like a die hard fan we can only really get hold of Specialized, Giant, Trek, Carrera, Voodoo, Triban & Boardman... Yeh Mostly Carrera & Boardmans, Never knew Nukeproof did bikes despite buying their stem and Handle bars and Accessories
Yes do the medium frame. Put it back in level field and you can further test your theory about so of this geometry on the same bike just different size.
I am 5'9 and ride a medium Roscoe 9. I felt the M/L was too big and after hitting trails, I am happy with the size I picked. I think testing a Medium is a great idea.
I think the great thing about this series versus something like hardtail party is that you keep everything fair by taking it down to the frame and comparing only the frame. Hardtailparty will sometimes build up frames sometimes ride complete bikes and it's hard for comparison if you're a new buyer looking for a bike.
200% get the medium frame I had a medium frame and I had the same issues as you on the medium and then moved up half a size and it was the dream machine
Ive owned my roscoe 9 for a year, and even after demoing slash 9.7s and turbo levos, i still pefer the feel of my roscoe 9. I run cush core and 20/18 psi and it feels so good with the 2.5 tires i have on it. i also put 35 mm riser bars that help with the stack
I was going to recommend the Canfield Yelli Screamy. Glad to see it in the outro. I too came from BMX. Dirt jumping then to ABA racing. The Canfield is the most BMX feeling MTB I've ridden. Goes up well, easy to the the front end up for those manuals, nimble in the corners and comes alive on the down hills. It wants to to be an active rider and push it.
Good ol ABA! Haha. Thanks for the insights. I really like the build and the tubing shape of it. Stands out from the rest. Now you make me excited to try it
Appreciate the review but as a Roscoe 9 owner your experience on this bike just floored me. Most comfortable bike I've ever owned, seriously seems to just float over everything in the stock set up. Maybe it was the size or it just doesn't work well with the rims and tire size you were running.
I have a Roscoe 9 (size medium - I'm 5'7" on a good day) with just over 500 miles on it and average skills - swapped out the dropper post with a OneUp (which turns out to be a piece of junk unless you love to listen to constant creaking), Raceface carbon bars (I think I cut them down to 740mm), XT shifter, seat, dropper post lever, grips, pedals and just changed the stock tires to Continental Argotal/Kryptotal. I had an Enve stem on there, but swapped the stock stem back. The good is that it's a fun bike to ride, and can handle the terrain here in Tucson, AZ well enough (I just posted up a short vid of the trail park across the street from me to get a basic idea). It descends well, and the 2.6" tires give an adequate amount of cushion. It feels a bit vague going fast through single track (especially when having to change direction quick), but it's not a cross country bike. Not a "fast" bike by any means, but it's fun. It is pretty harsh on rougher terrain (it is a hardtail after all), but I don't really have any other hardtails to compare it to. I wouldn't want to run it on less than 2.6" tires, but it has made me want to get a full suspension bike again. I feel like I'd get more grip in the relatively flat/loose turns here and better turn-in with less tire, but it does roll over the endless amount of rock/loose rock pretty well (and the 29" wheels help a lot). The stock tires are ok but not my favorite - the Conti's seem to be a step up (they at least roll noticeably faster, oddly enough, even though they're meatier and heavier), but I've only ridden them once so need more time. Not a bad bike for the price, but if I had to do it all over again I'd get a Trek Fuel EX Gen 6. Changing out the stock bar to a carbon bar did help a lot in the comfort/vibration.
Try the Commencal Meta HT Amazing bike, I'm 5'5 and use a small, and fits perfectly for me. The medium will definitely fit your perfectly as my friends don't mind my all but feel s little bigger would be amazing for them. The 2021 model is the current frame size for commencals Meta HT
For the Next video the Bansnhe Paradox , and please think to try a specialzed hardtail I have a One and I realy liked but ir Cours have some defects ( And sorry for my Inglês Im from 🇵🇹 and good pick to find de perfect hardtail for you 💪 )
Loved seeing the old BMX in you at the start of your ride. I just got a redline and started at my local track. You should make a video integrating bmx racing skills into MTB!
@@EvansMTBSaga Idk...I remember him praising the 2022 Roscoe 9! Every TH-camr has a different experience with the stuff they review I watched your Hardtail Saga maybe 20 times 😅 I enjoyed it, even though every single frame you have tried,is beyond my price point! Greetings from Croatia 😎
I REALLY wanna see you do a medium frame. I bought the L and I feel the same - that is just too big for how I ride. It's excellent at certain things, but it's just too tacky for nimble play
ML does not stand for medium large. It stands for medium long. Even some Trek dealers don’t know this. It is for medium height people, who have a torso/arm length more like a taller person. It is also for tall people who are relatively short in the leg. This is why this bike didn’t fit you in the reach. Definitely need a re test.
Next group test you do, you should time sections of trails versus using subjective 1-5 ratings. Those numbers really don’t tell us anything other than your preference.
I’m 5’8”ish. Shorter legs/longer torso. Tried a Roscoe 8. Salesman insisted I needed the M/L (probably because trek says so-and he didn’t have an M). I couldn’t get comfortable on it at all. I couldn’t flatfoot it without crushing my groinals and I couldn’t get a good reach position. I find I’m either spread way out or crammed in so I feel like I’m a clown with most bikes. Someday I’ll find a shop with people that actually know how to fit people-and care.
5'11 with a large Roscoe and I'd say it's slightly too big, but still enjoyable for all my riding. Best upgrade I've done is 40mm riser handlebars. Raises the stack and made it way more comfortable. I'd like to get every reviewer to ride my bike as it is right now cause I think it's dialed in perfectly after a year of owning it. Feels amazing to me. And just to throw my 2c in, I had a commencal meta before and I prefer the Roscoe in nearly every situation. Though I felt like the meta was more intuitive to jump.
Completely agree that the test needs to be redone with a medium, the scores were biased to the fit which doesn't make it a fair test. Will you be testing a Santa Cruz Chameleon 8 frame?
@@EvansMTBSaga The frame only is quite expensive, although not much more than the Roscoe. Perhaps that's why there aren't many floating around to buy. I was lucky to find a brand new second hand frame here in the UK which is my current bike. 🚴♂️💨 Keep up the great videos 👍
I dont know much about bike but i bought a roscoe 8 medium and I like. I feel like this breaken rule thing didnt not help the roscoe. Try it again i'm curious
I find it interesting when people try and compare bikes as being “better” or “worse” based on bike fit. As a mass produced bike company, it is near impossible for a size medium to fit the same height rider, no matter their physical measurements, as even two riders with the same inseam, torso, and arm length might like different bikes simply on preference. I think it is fair to judge these bikes based on the ride quality and other measurements, but I think the best way to improve your analysis of “fit” would be either replicate your EXACT measurements from bike to bike (would have to change stems, bars, seatposts, etc), or to not include the fit in the scoring, as personally I think fit is not reflective of the quality of a bike (and I have fit a fair few people for bikes while working in a shop)
Yeah out of fairness for the test and to eliminate any variable i would absolutely go with an actual medium frame. I honestly dont think it would be day and night but who knows? Thats what tests like thia are for. Great content earned a subscription.
I had the first roscoe 9 model, The Matt black with green as my first mtb. I rode it everywhere and modded it out. Sadly it got stolen two years ago…. Broke my heart. Now I have a gt fury wc 2015 and bought a real good bmx from the insurance payout worth about 1000€
I have Trek elite 8.9 26"HT with Reba dual air fork. It is my "spare" bike,main bike is Mondraker Foxy but i do ride very rocky section also with Trek. So anyway it has always felt really harsh and maybe it just how all Trek hardtails feel,even more slack and longer with 29 inch wheels like this Roscoe. Aluminiun is same like mine : alpha platinum,it is their best and lightest..durable and light but very harsh. I have owned 2 Cannondale Trail 2 HT bikes and they were like much more softer to ride,especially front back was way better due the flexibility.
Evan, this series is seriously one of the most interesting series I’ve found…. Seriously it’s pretty awesome and I appreciate it. I’m a hard core Hard tail guy mainly due to finances but I really do enjoy it. I’m very surprised on the feed back each bike has after each test. I would love to see a Rocky Mountain Growler test. I’m very curious to see what you and other people think of it, I’m extremely happy with it. Anyways thx for all the awesome content, i really appreciate it, thank you.
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Evan, this was a good review and a good representation of the Frame. The difference between the M and ML is 15mm in reach. That is a mear shift of your weight. Im pretty sure that they dont make special tubing butting per size to get a specific ride charateristic. The fact of the matter is most people dont ride as many different bikes as you have for the channel and if this bike was all you had , and had no comparison , you would have just ridden it how it is and had fun.Just like we all did growing up. For Matty for example, he only really has Treks lowerend and older models to compare and far less experience than you so he loves it. I say save your 750.00 and put it toward more content or your kids😊. Your review was based on experience of all these other bikes. Time for the next one :)
Thanks Chris! I appreciate the breakdown on the potential frame differences. I'd be willing to say you're right. Trek gives off a quantity over quality vibe. They do have a no questions asked return policy when buying the frame online 😂 might do it that way. But I've just assembled the Banshee and going to ride it tomorrow!
@@EvansMTBSaga cant wait for the next one. I love the series. I have the '21 Big AL with Lots of spacers and a 35mm riser bar because of the Low Stack. I was tempted to get the 23 Big Al but waiting for your Journey to complete before I decide :)
I have very little interest in the Roscoe, but am super curious about sizing. Comparing two different sizes of the same model would be so educational for us. I'm 5'10" with long arms and ride a Team Marin 2 in large. To be honest, it feels a little too big for me, but the medium was uncomfortably small. Based on my experience with that bike, if I were buying a Roscoe, I'd go with the medium and I'm an inch taller than you. Effective top tube is the primary geo number I look at for sizing.
Trek might be trying to make their bikes strong enough for heavy riders. As their bikes in the past could be too flexy, snap, at least on their full suspension frames. But an hardtail will always be too harsh for me, no matter which one it is. unless I ride on pavement, road. But Trek tends to make everything the same, apart from chainstay length. but the problem with this is you get a harsh tiny bike. but the other way around you could get a super flexy big bike as they did in the past.
11:05 Seems like you mean the chain stay is too short for your liking. Seems like you had a longer stem on. So of course it will feel longer. But if the reach is the same, the fit sohuld be the same. Also you might need need a higher bar rise if this, but I see you already had the stem high up. Raising the stem reduces the effective reach. But as the stem seems to be longer the reach might feel too big. It looks like the stem was higher on the Trek. Going down a size does not make sense if you like the reach number. I am not sure what your issue was. Do you mean the front triangle feels too large?
Have you tried the Kona Honzo? Maybe even the Honzo ESD? I have tried the Roscoe in size L, i'm 1.90 mtr tall, ended with a Honzo 2022 in size L, feels more compacter and more playfull than the Roscoe.
To me Hardtails compliance is mostly base on how the rear triangle tube design, length, material thickness and shape. Different tube shape got different characters of flex during vibration or impact.
Im curious and think we all could learn a lot about sizing if you tested a medium Roscoe too.
Medium Roscoe frame please
Absolutely get the medium.
Really? You'll know more about sizing when someone ELSE rides a bike! 🙄🤣🤢🤮
I have the medium, and love it, and I think it makes a world of difference vs the M/L...455mm to 440mm reach. I would really like to see what you think about medium - try it.
@Fun_Health_MTB I'm 511. I ride the Trek Marlin 5 3rd gen in a large size. Is that the correct size for me? I'm pretty comfortable while riding it though.
I would love to see a medium roscoe, but for next week do the banshee! Hardtail party foreverrr
Just finished building a Paradox v3 and loooooove that frame
@@mushijoe nice, due to my budget tho i have a stock roscoe 7. Upgrades soon though, first thing is the brakes as i am 240 pounds and the little ol 2 pots are not liking downhills lmao
yes of course, you should try the M size because it would give us an idea of how changing sizes changes the characteristics and the feel
I love this series, can we expect to see a Canyon Stoic on the list? It's phenomenal.
Hardtail Party review the Stoic and didn’t like it. But that’s just him.
@@GokkunGuruHardtail Party is very picky with his hard tails. I remember when I was considering buying a Commencal Meta HT and found his video completely bashing on the bike. I still bought the bike and I love it!
YES please get a stoic!
@@Brosef336that happens when you have access to a wide variety of titanium and steel bikes from boutique brands (and that cost over 4,000 bucks)
@@Brosef336he loved the Roscoe 9 lol
Wishing to see you trying and reviewing Canyon Stoic
I was EXTREMELY surprised with your ratings, but its all about what you like. I’m 5”10ish and with a large Roscoe 7 and It feels perfect! I haven’t tried any other brands because they haven’t stood out any. I’m on my 2nd Trek Hardtail and I’m loving it! I look forward to supporting you till the end. Have a great day Evan!
lol
The Roscoe is garbage. People only buy it because they are trek.
I love these episode of hardtail quest! I bet this is the most in-demand by subscribers. 😊
Loving the series! Interested in seeing the Paradox vs RSD!
I'd love to see your insight on the M Roscoe! Half heart looking into it and hopefully this will help me with deciding!
The 8 is a great value. Just needs alittle better fork over time. Same with the 7. Needs better brakes on this one to. You could change the frame in time and use these parts. You can try every size in the store, that is valuable. Tires are great if you have a ski lift. Flat stuff 2.6 tires are work to pedal. I’m getting some muscle tone though. Maxxis dissector 2.4 that’s my two cents
Get it. I have the 9 and it’s the best bike i’ve ever had. Prefer it more than a full sus! Just because it’s so much fun
Love the concept of your series. Before buying another expensive frame though, honestly I bet it will feel way better all around if you re-run your test with the tire and suspension recommendations from Trek's website (2.6" or so tires, 20 psi). That should greatly improve most of your issues on the singletrack (compliance, rock garden, front wheel chatter, cornering, "feeling like a goon").
Honestly, with the cushcore and thinner tires in your setup vs the 2.6" stock/20 psi, it should ride and feel way better at 16 - 18 psi and maybe you can save the $750 cost of another frame !
I hope you do the canyon stoic, Canyon’s internal/external hybrid routing makes swapping parts a breeze!
I'm looking for a bike and am willing to go a little beyond 1k if I can get something good. Do you have any recommendation?
I would be very interested in a test of the Roscoe in medium size to see if your hunch is correct.
Also a test of the Marin Team Marin would be very interesting. It should have a very good comliance and fits wonderfully into the previous selection.
that frame would break on the 1st jump. Wrong bike for this test IMHO.
@@marcstolk6682 I'm curious what makes you say that. Not that I agree/disagree.
@@mcndjxlefnd not for what's designed for. It's a downcountry XC bike. They have a history of cracking at the seat stays as it is... sure, they've updated the frame with a gusset but that's to stop it cracking under a Cat 3 riding conditions. Sending it like a
"Trail" HT is asking for brakage.. and I like the Team Marin.
I made the mistake of getting a 2023 Roscoe 7 in medium large. Rode it for about 2 weeks and swapped it out for the medium. So glad I did! Bike feels great and better fitted to me. PLEASE try a medium frame!!!
How tall are you? I am 5'9" in the same boat? THANKS
@@epd1584I’m the same night as you. I feel more comfortable riding the medium frame.
I would love to see the medium Roscoe tested as well, keeps it fair, and would put the size/compliance theory to the test too.
I'm a Roscoe 7 owner and personally I think it's a very good and capable bike. I would definitely give it another chance
im about 5'9 and i ride an older roscoe in size large. the older version had 27.5" tires and 20mm less travel, but i do think it is a bit too large for me. I think you should definitely try a medium to give the roscoe a fair shot
Before you even said you thought it might be too big, I was thinking based on your comments before that down sizing would fix a lot of your complaints on the trek. I would like to see your thoughts on the medium
Any hardtail would have strong resistance to rock gardens. It doesnt have the back suspension to help it roll over the rock. With Hardtail riding it is all about line choice, and being light on the bike.
I have it’s predecessor, a 2001 Trek 9600. In this day and age it’s considered more of a gravel bike than a mountain bike. I got it new back in the day and still love it. It has never failed on me after 20+ years of hard use. Haven’t had to replace any parts, just general maintenance.
I have a 2007 Trek Madone road bike. It's just like your Trek, never replaced even one part. That's back when trek was still made in USA. Their new stuff is questionable IMO
I would be really interested in seeing another review with a medium frame, just to see how much sizing impacts the score. I ride a trek roscoe 7 and I love it, but everyone's different! Would be interesting to know if the fit was the problem, or if the geometry is contributing to the problems you faced.
i upgraded my trek roscoe 2021 with a 130mm 51mm rockshox pike and its ready for a possible mullet conversion, its by far my fav bike
The Santa Cruz Chameleon is patiently waiting to join the chat...
Test a medium. I'm 5'11" and the L has been super smooth for me. It is a great "All'rounder" - I would never accuse this bike at being great at most things other than being a little better than "just okay" at everything. Definitely fun to ride as a beginner.
Loving this series !! I bought a Rosco 9 L !! It drives great, I love it
Nope, now you just must to do a retest with M size frame, and you need to adjust fork for different frames, because of different rider position and head angle.
I'd love to see the Banshee. You should also try Chromag bikes
5:36 The stock chain stay protector seems to be same hard, stiff plastic as older bikes, so it will move, scratch the chain stay. It will also be very noisy. Which cane be heard at 10:10. An inner tube will make it better, but the best solution is VHS 2.0 protector.
MEDIUM here in the UK unless you're like a die hard fan we can only really get hold of Specialized, Giant, Trek, Carrera, Voodoo, Triban & Boardman... Yeh Mostly Carrera & Boardmans, Never knew Nukeproof did bikes despite buying their stem and Handle bars and Accessories
Yes do the medium frame. Put it back in level field and you can further test your theory about so of this geometry on the same bike just different size.
You should redo the test with a right sized frame.
There is no "right sized" frame
I am 5'9 and ride a medium Roscoe 9. I felt the M/L was too big and after hitting trails, I am happy with the size I picked. I think testing a Medium is a great idea.
I think the great thing about this series versus something like hardtail party is that you keep everything fair by taking it down to the frame and comparing only the frame. Hardtailparty will sometimes build up frames sometimes ride complete bikes and it's hard for comparison if you're a new buyer looking for a bike.
Give it another shot with the right sized frame! Thanks for the content.
I'd really like to see a Canyon Stoic 2 considering that it's probably the best value hardtail right now.
200% get the medium frame I had a medium frame and I had the same issues as you on the medium and then moved up half a size and it was the dream machine
Man, these vids are fire❤️🔥
I'd love to see you testing the
Commencal Meta HT
The internal brake routing is not so bad. Tape some string to some wire, fish it through. Tie string to the brake line, put it through.
yeah it's better than most, but I don't want to bleed brakes or cut hoses. My rear line is already short enough
Test the Kona Honzo ESD. I have one and it’s easily the best hardtail ever.
I want to see the Banshee Paradox in action!!
Hope you give the Roscoe another chance with a smaller size. I absolutely love my Roscoe 8!
Ive owned my roscoe 9 for a year, and even after demoing slash 9.7s and turbo levos, i still pefer the feel of my roscoe 9. I run cush core and 20/18 psi and it feels so good with the 2.5 tires i have on it. i also put 35 mm riser bars that help with the stack
I was going to recommend the Canfield Yelli Screamy. Glad to see it in the outro. I too came from BMX. Dirt jumping then to ABA racing. The Canfield is the most BMX feeling MTB I've ridden. Goes up well, easy to the the front end up for those manuals, nimble in the corners and comes alive on the down hills. It wants to to be an active rider and push it.
Good ol ABA! Haha. Thanks for the insights. I really like the build and the tubing shape of it. Stands out from the rest. Now you make me excited to try it
Appreciate the review but as a Roscoe 9 owner your experience on this bike just floored me. Most comfortable bike I've ever owned, seriously seems to just float over everything in the stock set up. Maybe it was the size or it just doesn't work well with the rims and tire size you were running.
I have a Roscoe 9 (size medium - I'm 5'7" on a good day) with just over 500 miles on it and average skills - swapped out the dropper post with a OneUp (which turns out to be a piece of junk unless you love to listen to constant creaking), Raceface carbon bars (I think I cut them down to 740mm), XT shifter, seat, dropper post lever, grips, pedals and just changed the stock tires to Continental Argotal/Kryptotal. I had an Enve stem on there, but swapped the stock stem back. The good is that it's a fun bike to ride, and can handle the terrain here in Tucson, AZ well enough (I just posted up a short vid of the trail park across the street from me to get a basic idea). It descends well, and the 2.6" tires give an adequate amount of cushion. It feels a bit vague going fast through single track (especially when having to change direction quick), but it's not a cross country bike. Not a "fast" bike by any means, but it's fun. It is pretty harsh on rougher terrain (it is a hardtail after all), but I don't really have any other hardtails to compare it to. I wouldn't want to run it on less than 2.6" tires, but it has made me want to get a full suspension bike again. I feel like I'd get more grip in the relatively flat/loose turns here and better turn-in with less tire, but it does roll over the endless amount of rock/loose rock pretty well (and the 29" wheels help a lot). The stock tires are ok but not my favorite - the Conti's seem to be a step up (they at least roll noticeably faster, oddly enough, even though they're meatier and heavier), but I've only ridden them once so need more time. Not a bad bike for the price, but if I had to do it all over again I'd get a Trek Fuel EX Gen 6. Changing out the stock bar to a carbon bar did help a lot in the comfort/vibration.
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I’m 5’8” and rock a medium roscoe 8. I love that bike.
Try the Commencal Meta HT Amazing bike, I'm 5'5 and use a small, and fits perfectly for me. The medium will definitely fit your perfectly as my friends don't mind my all but feel s little bigger would be amazing for them. The 2021 model is the current frame size for commencals Meta HT
I'm pretty sure m/l is for under 5'10 and then large goes up to like 6-6'2
For the Next video the Bansnhe Paradox , and please think to try a specialzed hardtail I have a One and I realy liked but ir Cours have some defects ( And sorry for my Inglês Im from 🇵🇹 and good pick to find de perfect hardtail for you 💪 )
Evans you should try Dartmoor Hornet its like enduro hardtrail for 160-180 mm of travel or Dartmoor primal its trail hardtail for 140mm of travel
Loved seeing the old BMX in you at the start of your ride. I just got a redline and started at my local track. You should make a video integrating bmx racing skills into MTB!
Hardtail Party tells completely different story about this frame! It was actually described as comfortable!😮
I've had opposite opinions from him with multiple frames
@@EvansMTBSaga Idk...I remember him praising the 2022 Roscoe 9!
Every TH-camr has a different experience with the stuff they review
I watched your Hardtail Saga maybe 20 times 😅 I enjoyed it, even though every single frame you have tried,is beyond my price point! Greetings from Croatia 😎
It would definitely be interesting to see how it compares in a medium, particularly given the trend for longer, lower, slacker.
Run a Pike Select 150 w 3 volume spacers. It stopped deflecting and stiffened up. Still ran the same air pressure as with the stock 1 spacer.
Love to see this test in a medium
I hawe the roscoe 8... i am 187 and it took Large, and it fits me perfect. With 2.6 bontrager tires and low psi it is kinda compliant.
I ride a medium roscoe 7 and i am 5-7. I think it’s a good bike and suggest you try a medium
I REALLY wanna see you do a medium frame. I bought the L and I feel the same - that is just too big for how I ride.
It's excellent at certain things, but it's just too tacky for nimble play
ML does not stand for medium large.
It stands for medium long.
Even some Trek dealers don’t know this.
It is for medium height people, who have a torso/arm length more like a taller person.
It is also for tall people who are relatively short in the leg.
This is why this bike didn’t fit you in the reach.
Definitely need a re test.
Run it again with a medium. Would like to see if the results differ. I vote RSD for the next vid.
Next group test you do, you should time sections of trails versus using subjective 1-5 ratings. Those numbers really don’t tell us anything other than your preference.
Seen someone use a magnet to pull the cable through a carbon frame the other day was a good idea took 2 seconds
Lets get that medium frame! Thanks for the content!
I’m 5’8”ish. Shorter legs/longer torso. Tried a Roscoe 8. Salesman insisted I needed the M/L (probably because trek says so-and he didn’t have an M). I couldn’t get comfortable on it at all. I couldn’t flatfoot it without crushing my groinals and I couldn’t get a good reach position.
I find I’m either spread way out or crammed in so I feel like I’m a clown with most bikes. Someday I’ll find a shop with people that actually know how to fit people-and care.
Definitely need to retry the Roscoe. . . After the paradox, and middle child though
Thanks for the testing I'm in the middle of buying a new hardtail at the moment and this id really helping me narrow them down ..
5'11 with a large Roscoe and I'd say it's slightly too big, but still enjoyable for all my riding. Best upgrade I've done is 40mm riser handlebars. Raises the stack and made it way more comfortable. I'd like to get every reviewer to ride my bike as it is right now cause I think it's dialed in perfectly after a year of owning it. Feels amazing to me.
And just to throw my 2c in, I had a commencal meta before and I prefer the Roscoe in nearly every situation. Though I felt like the meta was more intuitive to jump.
What bars did you get? In size height and same frame size you have, but can’t really seem to find something to just bring the bars up a bit.
Definitely need to retest... Love my Roscoe.... Although I don't ride my hardtail much anymore but my wife still rips it
Completely agree that the test needs to be redone with a medium, the scores were biased to the fit which doesn't make it a fair test.
Will you be testing a Santa Cruz Chameleon 8 frame?
I'm still looking for a frame only version of that! It's hard to find, maybe it's a super popular frame? If that's the case it'd make for a good video
@@EvansMTBSaga The frame only is quite expensive, although not much more than the Roscoe. Perhaps that's why there aren't many floating around to buy. I was lucky to find a brand new second hand frame here in the UK which is my current bike. 🚴♂️💨
Keep up the great videos 👍
I dont know much about bike but i bought a roscoe 8 medium and I like. I feel like this breaken rule thing didnt not help the roscoe. Try it again i'm curious
Duuuuuude. You need to ride a Banshee Paradox. There is no going back after that. Mic drop.
Did you see the spread of frames at the end?
I find it interesting when people try and compare bikes as being “better” or “worse” based on bike fit. As a mass produced bike company, it is near impossible for a size medium to fit the same height rider, no matter their physical measurements, as even two riders with the same inseam, torso, and arm length might like different bikes simply on preference. I think it is fair to judge these bikes based on the ride quality and other measurements, but I think the best way to improve your analysis of “fit” would be either replicate your EXACT measurements from bike to bike (would have to change stems, bars, seatposts, etc), or to not include the fit in the scoring, as personally I think fit is not reflective of the quality of a bike (and I have fit a fair few people for bikes while working in a shop)
Yeah out of fairness for the test and to eliminate any variable i would absolutely go with an actual medium frame. I honestly dont think it would be day and night but who knows? Thats what tests like thia are for. Great content earned a subscription.
I had the first roscoe 9 model, The Matt black with green as my first mtb. I rode it everywhere and modded it out. Sadly it got stolen two years ago…. Broke my heart. Now I have a gt fury wc 2015 and bought a real good bmx from the insurance payout worth about 1000€
Those are all 3 great options for future tests… looking forward to seeing it!
Hey can you please try Canyon Stoic?🤟
I test rode m and m/l. I’m 5’ 9” and felt very much at home with the M. M/L felt too big even though it’s sized for ppl at least 5’ 8”.
I have Trek elite 8.9 26"HT with Reba dual air fork. It is my "spare" bike,main bike is Mondraker Foxy but i do ride very rocky section also with Trek. So anyway it has always felt really harsh and maybe it just how all Trek hardtails feel,even more slack and longer with 29 inch wheels like this Roscoe. Aluminiun is same like mine : alpha platinum,it is their best and lightest..durable and light but very harsh. I have owned 2 Cannondale Trail 2 HT bikes and they were like much more softer to ride,especially front back was way better due the flexibility.
Evan, this series is seriously one of the most interesting series I’ve found…. Seriously it’s pretty awesome and I appreciate it. I’m a hard core Hard tail guy mainly due to finances but I really do enjoy it. I’m very surprised on the feed back each bike has after each test. I would love to see a Rocky Mountain Growler test. I’m very curious to see what you and other people think of it, I’m extremely happy with it. Anyways thx for all the awesome content, i really appreciate it, thank you.
Thanks Cody! I love the feedback. And good news, I have a Rocky MTN Growler in my possession. I will be testing it in episode 5
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The medium/large frame is for 5.10" and up
Evan, this was a good review and a good representation of the Frame. The difference between the M and ML is 15mm in reach. That is a mear shift of your weight. Im pretty sure that they dont make special tubing butting per size to get a specific ride charateristic. The fact of the matter is most people dont ride as many different bikes as you have for the channel and if this bike was all you had , and had no comparison , you would have just ridden it how it is and had fun.Just like we all did growing up. For Matty for example, he only really has Treks lowerend and older models to compare and far less experience than you so he loves it. I say save your 750.00 and put it toward more content or your kids😊. Your review was based on experience of all these other bikes. Time for the next one :)
Thanks Chris! I appreciate the breakdown on the potential frame differences. I'd be willing to say you're right. Trek gives off a quantity over quality vibe. They do have a no questions asked return policy when buying the frame online 😂 might do it that way. But I've just assembled the Banshee and going to ride it tomorrow!
@@EvansMTBSaga cant wait for the next one. I love the series. I have the '21 Big AL with Lots of spacers and a 35mm riser bar because of the Low Stack. I was tempted to get the 23 Big Al but waiting for your Journey to complete before I decide :)
I have very little interest in the Roscoe, but am super curious about sizing. Comparing two different sizes of the same model would be so educational for us. I'm 5'10" with long arms and ride a Team Marin 2 in large. To be honest, it feels a little too big for me, but the medium was uncomfortably small. Based on my experience with that bike, if I were buying a Roscoe, I'd go with the medium and I'm an inch taller than you. Effective top tube is the primary geo number I look at for sizing.
Try the Vitus sentier, I'm riding it and it feels great in my opinion.
Non you have to try a Canyon Stoic, definitely one of the best ht on the market
I'm a bit over 5'10" with M/L Trek Fuel EX, and it feels a bit big for me.
Looking forward to you testing a Medium to see if I should have picked M.
brother if you put a higher rise bar on the roscoe it'll feel better
try it my man
Trek might be trying to make their bikes strong enough for heavy riders. As their bikes in the past could be too flexy, snap, at least on their full suspension frames. But an hardtail will always be too harsh for me, no matter which one it is. unless I ride on pavement, road. But Trek tends to make everything the same, apart from chainstay length. but the problem with this is you get a harsh tiny bike. but the other way around you could get a super flexy big bike as they did in the past.
Banshee next. There are so many good hardtails that I don't think a medium test of the Roscoe is needed. It's going to be ok but not the best.
I’ve been waiting for this for my entire life!!!
when's the trek medium ?
You should definitely try the medium Trek.
I’d love to see you test out a size smaller for the Roscoe. Will you be doing a Specialized hard tail?
Please do the test again with the medium frame. A lot of people buy the Roscoe and it’ll be good to see where it stacks up with good fit.
Banshee, canfield, rsd? Hell ya!!!
The compliance has to do with yours was 29, 27.5 plus was where it's at with the rosco
11:05 Seems like you mean the chain stay is too short for your liking.
Seems like you had a longer stem on. So of course it will feel longer. But if the reach is the same, the fit sohuld be the same. Also you might need need a higher bar rise if this, but I see you already had the stem high up. Raising the stem reduces the effective reach. But as the stem seems to be longer the reach might feel too big. It looks like the stem was higher on the Trek. Going down a size does not make sense if you like the reach number. I am not sure what your issue was. Do you mean the front triangle feels too large?
Definitely do a Med Roscoe. My guess it will be a bit more playful and compliant.
Can we try a Merida big trail
Have you tried the Kona Honzo? Maybe even the Honzo ESD? I have tried the Roscoe in size L, i'm 1.90 mtr tall, ended with a Honzo 2022 in size L, feels more compacter and more playfull than the Roscoe.
To me Hardtails compliance is mostly base on how the rear triangle tube design, length, material thickness and shape.
Different tube shape got different characters of flex during vibration or impact.
Try the GT zaskar Lt and you will definitely feel how compliant differences.
Physics is the key and we will understand the true nature.
All the best.😊