@@raven4k998 Nah it just shows the new Asgard tech was not compatible with the old design. In fact Carter even says that the only reason 304 was built was cause of the Asgard tech. The original plan was to mass produce 303
@@Maksa-cb4os but but it was not an old design that's just it it was a new state of the art design for human tech terms so that is wrong that it was an old design silly
@@robkemp598 I personally think that 1 billion comes from labor savings. I think SGC got its hands on some impressive manufacturing technology that enabled 1 person to do the work of 100. In addition SGC developed its own supply chain thus greatly reducing the cost. I personally think the BC303 should not have cost 2 billion but 200 billion. I think the 2 billion is a bargain.
well.... being the first true human interstellar ship its bound to have some problems. that's why every time you build something you learn what works and what doesn't work and improve on them. I love this ship and I love my model from eaglemoss
Yes, this The X-303 was quite literally prototyping a starship from scratch using a mix of theoretical, existent and stolen technology. Thus her name, Prometheus, as she was built with 'fire' stolen from the gods.
Unfortunately, given when she was produced, the X-303 Prometheus was objectively the worst ship in the galaxy. But, that's to be expected. She was a test bed, a first foray into a new chapter of militarization that Earth had never done before, utilizing technologies the Tau'ri still only kinda understood. She's bad because she's old-tech mixed with new-tech mixed with alien-tech which is something the galaxy hasn't seen in eons.
I mean, if we are completely honest, even the 304s were absolutely useless before they got Asgard beams. Their dinky little railguns would not have so much as scratched the shields of a Ha'tak, and even naquadah enhanced warheads were ueseless against Goa'uld shields... They are MUCH smaller than a Ha'tak, which probably means smaller and less sophisticated power plant, They still rely on a reaction drive vs the Goa'uld drives which are reactionless, and Earth never managed to develop their own DEWs, nor equip their missiles with reactionless drives.
@@Alexander_Kale This is what happens when you let the Air Force design a ship and they build something extremely inefficient. that it was difficult for them to install a giant railgun at the front of the ship, at least that would be more useful than the small cannons that both classes had that seemed more anti-fighter than anything else. Or take the plans of the Iowa, modify them with all the new technology and that's it, that would have been ten times better than the Prometheus
@@brunoscarlatto4679 Meanwhile, if you were to hire Navy guys to design what is only a ship in name, they would probably do some other stupid things. Though I doubt that any weapon earth had available to them would have been man enough to damage a goa'uld ship. They would have needed to steal some Ha'tak guns and even then, Prometheus being so much smaller means they would not have had the power to actually do something. A Tollan Energy cannon would have worked, but where to get one. ^.^ Prometheus as a strike carrier to enact some sort of MAD analogue works as an idea. Put a dozen hyperspace capable smaller ships on it, park it somewhere and fill it with nuclear bombs. then make it clear to any Goa'uld with ambition that you will glass their homeworlds should they ever attack earth.
@@Alexander_Kale I know it was not comparable on a technological level, but the lack of standard weapons of a certain power hurt the Prometheus too much. Seriously, it was the only ship that humanity would have at its disposal for at least a few years. Couldn't they have designed something better? Not only was it too small for humanity's needs, but it was very lightly armed and defended, which they thought they were going to do with inferior goa'uld shields and such equipment. seriously and they say it cost only one billion, it's the cost of a navy destroyer. I understand that it was a prototype, but if the survival of humanity depends on that prototype, you create something exaggerated and then adjust it to a standard class.
@@brunoscarlatto4679 the answer to "could they not have.." really is a clear and undisputable "no, they really could not". They had no idea what they were doing, they barely had the technology or the resources to get Prometheus working as is and they didn't have anything better in terms of weapons than Railguns. Building a bigger ship would not have achieved much of anything either, because again, they had nothing to arm it with. When your enemy has a point defense / armor system that can shrug off thermonuclear nukes by the dozen, meanwhile all you have is railguns, then you are somewhat shit out of options.
My favorite thing about the Prometheus is that the CGI team could never remember where the 302 bays were supposed to be to the point of even adding random horrible looking shutters to the engine nacelles at one point.
Contrasting Prometheus to its successor class, what immediately sticks out is that the daedalus and its sister ships look a lot more functional, whereas the Prometheus hullshape is comprised of pointless fluff. Saw of the command tower at about the level of that weird half circle at the back, then take away said weird half circle, and you have a decent design.
The engine placement also makes it look incredibly ungainly. Two giant thrusters at the bottom of a really tall tower makes it obvious the centre of thrust doesn't go through the centre of mass. The X-304 was much better about this.
I always assumed it looked so janky because it was a half finished alkesh when they turned it into the Prometheus. Sort of just had to bolt on whatever else they needed where ever it would fit. Where as the BC-304s were built from the ground up by humans resulting in a much less messy design.
@commandoepsilon4664 It had an Al'Kesh hyperdrive, but only after they ejected the original human-built Naquadria powered one. They definitely didn't build the hull from an Al'Kesh though, since the X-301 failed due to using recovered Goa'Uld tech they didn't understand.
@@ReddwarfIV My assumption was based off the fact that it's based on a half finished ship so go'auld (sp?) were building after being stranded on Earth. Though you are right, it's very unlikely they'd just build on top of that unfinished ship considering the X-301 incident.
@@commandoepsilon4664 If you are talking about the ship that was build by the cloned Goa'uld symbiotes, then you have your timeline confused. By the time that Episode happened, the Prometheus must have been under construction already, or Simmons would not have been able to steal it just a handful of episodes later. Prometheus hull is not based on any alien spaceship, it is one hundred percent a human design, though with a lot of extra stuff tacked on later. They mention a spaceship in the episode where SImmons steals it, but that was likely just a cover story invented for the tv crew.
Up until the Asgard beam weapons were installed on Odyssey the Tauri ships really werent worth much against anythibg bigger than an Alkesh. The railguna and missiles just didnt do enough damage to Hatak shields or Hive ships. Tauri ships were more like support vessels for tactical use and transport.
@@josephryman3799 Yeah they do. They're already integrated into the design and cheap to produce and install compared to changing the designs to remove them. Their power requirements are negligible next to beam weapons, hyperdrive, and shields. They're useful as CIWS and anti-fighter weapons, and are still effective against Alkesh and wraith cruisers. And they're a better-than-nothibg backup to beam weapons if they go down. There's no point in not having them.
This is untrue. The rail guns were very effective against hive ships one on one, but only putting the daedalus on equal footing (due to the shields). There's an episode where the daedalus slugs it out with a hive ship, and both ships end up disabled. The rail guns were also seen as being effective against multiple hatak vessels (usually 3 at a time). They were shown taking damage. They're nowhere near as effective as the beam weapons, and even hatak weapons are more powerful. However, the rail guns are significantly more accurate than the staff cannons of the hataks, and they do damage. That being said, the prometheus design could have gotten scaled down to serve a corvette role. Could be made significantly cheaper that way. Have a single ventral hangar bay for 4 fighters, and remove the command tower for a bridge design similar to the daedalus. Consistently Pair 2 as support craft to a daedalus class ship. You would have 24 f302s that way. The daedalus class could serve as a frigate to support future capital ships, as well as the roles it already takes.
@@magikclaw7458 in the episode you refer to, both ships only end up disabled because the Daedalus opens up on the dart bags as they launch causing secondary explosions which damage the hive, plus plot. If the Daedalus were firing at the hives hull it would do bugger all. Regarding a corvette model, why have a hanger bay at all? Corvettes aren't fighter carriers. At best have a hangar / cargo with space for a tel'tak for tactical use / crew escape ship.
@@d.s.151 Wasn't that also the episode where Caldwell ordered all of his nukes to be fired simultaneously? And if not for Darts that were released to hunt Shephard down after he flew his F-302 and disabled their hyperdive, the hive would've been utterly obliterated. Out of that barrage they fired, only like two nukes got through and by Michael's admission, hive was heavily damaged. What i do not understand though is that Daedalus was literally using the precisely same type of nukes that was sent to Abydos during the absolutely first mission through Stargate... The very same type of nuke that killed Ra 10 years before Daedalus was created and before Earth had access to Naquadah, not to mention Naquadria. Were they trying to clean up military stockpiles or what? Because there is literally no reason, why they should have used same warhead as they used before SGC as organization was even conceived. It seemed like they focused on enhancing everything but their missiles... Those remained stuck in 80s/90s, while rest of Earth tech was catapulted millennia.
I always felt that going from the tiny X-302 to the massive X-303 was a huge step -- and the X-303 feeling a bit rough around the edges to the extent that it doesn't even have a reliable hyperdrive still felt very much in line with the overall story. Also, at the time we've been looking at season 6 of the only Stargate show, so there was no immediate need to move the storytelling into space -- which also meant the progression from 303 to 304 felt quite natural -- they kept a lot of the 303 design, but the 304 was clearly a massively overhauled "next generation" vessel.
that ship always made me think about the cost, and the ever expanding secret was was the SGC. Even without all the borrowed tech, its amazing to think they were able to build it, in secert, and funding for it and the SGC was kept hidden.
@@TheAkashicTraveller yes and no, you just know that the SGC who is sharing this stuff with the private sector, is also not going to use anything to blow up the Earths economy. All that off world mining I guess helps, but even that has a cost attached to it. The Alpha Site was a big spend as well
@@ianlister7333 it would be nice if they made a series following a team of people who job it is to keep it all secret and one set in the 2020s with it all out in the open
It was a prototype and proof of concept; everything was basically bolted on as it became developed/acquired. In contrast, the Daedalus and its following ships in the same class were built with these technologies from the ground up, lessons learned in mind, with later models having yet more tech installed as they were built. As a parallel, the NX Enterprise from, well, Enterprise also went through the same thing; the Columbia and others that came after her had all the stuff Enterprise had tested built in as they were constructed; same with new tech developed on Earth. Although Enterprise was the flagship of United Earth, it was actually less advanced than the Columbia and others in its own class in just a few years. Basically, the Daedalus was Stargate version of the NX Refit to the original NX class.
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Everyone's forgetting the Prometheus's general look is very obviously built to Asgard lines (presumably to remain compatible with asgard shield technology, artificial gravity, etc). The Daedalus looks more human because by that point, humanity knew what they were doing.
A 303-A refit using the knowledge and technology that the 304 benefited from would probably have been a good destroyer to compliment the latter design and allowed Earth to build out it's interstellar navy that much faster. Seems to me the Atlantis expedition would have benefitted from a couple of them being assigned on a semi-permanent basis too.
It was still modeled to be a robot penis in space. The show writers actually joked about it. Also the reason they only let there be one of them and switched to the Deadless after.
Second video of the day for your channel, happy new sub love your videos! Ya the Prometheus wasn't a pretty ship, but it was the first run for earth and I think she was a good girl, she held her own. Would be proud to be her captain running head long into battle.
Given that the Prometheus ever won in a fight against anything bigger than an Alkesh, it's understandable that it would have a pretty lackluster reputation.
I mean, I was not a huge fan of the design while Daedalus looked and felt amazing. However my biggest gripe with Prometheus lied in a flaw I saw with SG as a whole, and that was that naquadria was just deemed to unstable and dropped, instead of slowly becoming an actual advantage humanity had over its foes. Getting all cool shit from Asgard is good and I definitely didn't mind that Tau'ri got it at the very end of the series, but I would love to see an actual human design hyperdrive with it's own quirks, as different aspects and ways technology interacted was for me the most compelling part of SG
There are two ways to go with a protypes in a story, they are overpowered but too costly for common use, or the protype needs to overcome it downsides. The prometheus is more of the later and it went above what was expected from it.
I adore the X303. Just like when Picard was talking to Scotty about the Stargazer - In every measurable way the BC304 class was far superior but there are days when you'd choose the x303. It was the first attempt at a battle cruiser and it showed. It was a bit of an underdog but who doesn't like an underdog?
I like the Prometheus, it looks crude and edgy like it would if they really were to built it. Just the other day I ordered a brick Model of it (not Lego, but parts like it) and am looking forward for my purchase. Over 2000 parts and over 20 inches long, from the brand bluebrixx in Germany. They have the official license for Stargate and Also Star Trek and did a bunch of amazing Display models 😊
I think it is unfair to call it the worst. It was the first capital ship and as such was a learning exercise and was used to teach us lots about building bigger ships etc. Yes it wasn't that great but you have to learn sometime.
Aye. For context, look at Earths development of the Glider. They started with slapping a USAF sticker on a captured one, and when that didn't work they built one from the ground up. Prometheus is an extension of that fundamental understanding that they had to build their own ships if they wanted the security of operating them without a nasty surprise waiting to rear up. The human race had never built a spaceship before. Prometheus was it's first effort of slapping everything together to see if they could make it work. It was in essence a test bed prototype that became 'The best they had' at the time of war and would have been tested in every metric they could think of to build a better ship that was more in line with how the SGC wanted to fight their battles. And it worked. They moved to the 'shell' design instead of the 'tower block' design.
And with the gift of fire(knowledge gained) from the Prometheus, that fire was used to forge the Daedalus Class Battlecruiser. Though I guess it could be argued that it could be classified as a Deep Space Carrier... that would be interesting to discuss
@davfree9732 and from the gift of fire (knowledge gained) from the Promtheus, that fire was used to forge the Daedalus Class Battlecruiser. Though I guess it could be argued that the 304 was more of a Deep Space Carrier... could be an interesting discussion.
It was a great testbed for evolving technology, but I wish they had kept it and refit it for a specialized role (ie: scout/research vessel or as an AWACS) rather than destroy it.
I consider this to be the worst Tau'Ri ship because it was illprepared for its tasks, as an underdog ship it was perfect. The BC-304 was a bit better but not by much (Specifically offense). The offensive abilities of both ships were not that impressive (until the instillation of plasma beam weapons) but the defense and support abilities were where the ships shined.
Keep in mind it was a protype after all - prototypes rarely are actually good or viable - usually they are testing and learning platforms this alone means that yes they can be revolutionary but suck at the same time.
The design was a bit minecrafty but I really like real life naval warfare and especially carriers. I just wish they had more ship types, at least some big Dreadnaught as the flag ship, Daedalus class ships as cruisers and Prometheus class could have been used as a support vessels or just a low tier ships to use when you need to pick up a team from a planet or just need a ship to carry cargo to planets without a gate where you really don't need overpowered Asgard lasers. Hell, Prometheus could have been the ship traveling in between SGC and Atlantis while Daedalus would stay in Pegasus full time. You could have an episode where there is a Wraith crisis brewing near Atlantis but Daedalus got called home so they now have count on Prometheus that can't fight Hive Ship directly.
It’s likely that if we saw the Heberdan or Tolan earlier in their development their vessels would be similar to the Prometheus, incorporating available local tech and tech from other cultures like the Ancients or Goa’uld
A civilization's very first starship capable to traveling to another planet and was using damaged and salvaged alien tech isn't holding up to par to already developed ships in the series!!! Wwwwaaaahhhh??? Yea, its kinda to be expected. It was a prototype, if i remember they stated in the show that they already knew it would not hold up to a mothership. It was closer to the role of a screen than a frontline warship. That said i loved the design. One of my favorite ships i scifi.
The Prometheus was incredible,and I like the design of her,btw it was the first interstellar Starship,a few bugs I admit but was a formidable vessel in my opinion
I don't think this is the worst ship of the franchise, ok it look really weird, but it was a prototype ship from the start, and a prototype usually doesn't looks great, or doesn't work as intended, or sometimes both of them, and the X-303 Prometheus is the perfect example of what a prototype is, it's not good at first but it got many upgrades before the finale product, the BC-304 Daedalus class Battlecruiser design.
it was as bad or good, as it would realistically be: It was full of experimental tech and centuries ahead of the "normal" human development speed. As Selmak commented on the X-301: You can't just put an Air Force sticker on an alien ship…
I always liked the idea that the ship had some issues and looked a little off because it was the first. But despite that it gave all it could and them some. So is it the worst? Nope.
It was a prototype using new tech in a new field humans are only starting on built in secret by a government that pinches pennies. It's surprising it worked at all. That said, the Prometheus was a good ship for what it was. It did it's job. And it was an important stepping stone to the Daedalus class.
It's the worst Tau'ri (Earth human) ship sure, but the X-301 was a Goauld Deathglider with USAF weapons hardpoints, comms equipment and cockpit and the X-302 was a human derived design or copy of the X-301 of entirely human designed components. Both the 301 and 302 never had properly working hyperdrives, with the production series F-302 only capable of very short intrasystem jumps and those ships were just fighter/interceptors. The Tau'ri never managed to get a hyperdrive of their own design to work, and previously they only ever had working hyperdrive tech on ships of Goauld design until the tech was gifted to them by their Asgard allies. The Tau'ri are basically the same as us in the real world in terms of technological advancement so the fact that they managed to cobble together a ship capable of SSTO, hovering, in-atmosphere flight and almost capable of FTL flight (prior to being gifted Asgard hyperdrives) is amazing. It's like going straight into trying to make your own Concorde after the Wright Brothers proved powered flight was possible and settling for a Boeing 707. The BC-304 is pretty much half-Asgard as much as it is Tau'ri. The hyperdrives, shields, transporters and related sensors, and later the weapons are all Asgardian in design and origin. And the BC-304 class was designed to incorporate alien designed components from the get go rather than them being grafted on and jerry rigged to work.
Prometheus was a great ship, and a even better name. Very thematic once you look at the mythology, he stole fire from the gods and gave it to the humans.
Best looking ship in the series by far, second only to the Aurora class. Also Prometheus size definitely wasn't 195 meters, because it would be impossible for several 14 meter F302's to fit in any part of it. The true size is atleast 516 meters long. Nothing bad about the ship itself - it was literally the main Earth ship during most of SG1. It would've been cool if they had it also be the main ship that goes to Pegasus and back, but the writers wanted to get rid of it idk why?
I am stretching my memory, but the Prometheus never defeated a Pyramid ship in a conventional battle did it? It would usually just provide a distraction or covering fire. It had pretty good fighter defences but very weak anti-ship firepower.
Neither did the X304, i think only the Daedalus defeated a wraith hive once, without asgard beam weapons. Although i do remember in Season 7 when Anubis sent 3 motherships, a general told the president: "Prometheus and our fleet of 302's will give im a run for their money.", and even general Hammond agreed - implying that Prometheus could actually take on Ha'tak ships if it needed to. I guess 304's could do the same, just didn't happen.
the Daedalus class should be the front-line ship of the fleet wale the Prometheus class could have served in a support or transport role to the very off world base or the Atlantis expedition
Give it a break. The first US aircraft was basically an upgraded version of the Wright Brother aircraft. One would not compare it to aircrafts that came later, like teh Curtis JN-2, P-51 Mustang, or the F-22.
Six or seven Odessey class ships or a s load of Prometheus class. I'll take an s load of Prometheus class. Ship's can be upgraded with new engines and defence. If you're really serious about protecting your home world and eventual off world colonies you'd build the biggest fleet you can muster and a hand full of ships won't cut it.
Prometheus was only lost because SGC as all the "good" people in Movies is always stupid as fuck. They fired on the Satelite first without scanning for Data first or an option to negotiate... basicly starting a war with the nation controling it since... Prometheus fired first! But then after the return fire just stayed there an die... they should have armed the nukes and just obliterate the capital city of the enamy including the controll center for the weapon! They already started all out war by firing on the satelite so just getting destroyed while doing nothing was stupid! After all it was war with the Ori anyway and the entire Galaxy was at risk.
Was so dumb the way they left it be destroyed - it's like the authors of the show just wanted to get rid of the ship quickly. Didn't even care about making a good story about it - they also didn't realistically portray how the US military would react to losing a capital ship. I mean it's like they literally forgot about those people with the Ori satelite - that would be like the US IRL not going for revenge after 9/11, but saying "let's forget about it" :D
Tbh for $2 billion that ship was a steal when you realize a regular carrier is 13 billion
well when they only built one x303 and then stopped to design something better bigger and stronger goes to show how crappy it was
@@raven4k998 Nah it just shows the new Asgard tech was not compatible with the old design. In fact Carter even says that the only reason 304 was built was cause of the Asgard tech. The original plan was to mass produce 303
@@Maksa-cb4os but but it was not an old design that's just it it was a new state of the art design for human tech terms so that is wrong that it was an old design silly
I think they mentioned the BC304 was worth 1 billion. Can you imagine what they could have built for 13??????
@@robkemp598
I personally think that 1 billion comes from labor savings. I think SGC got its hands on some impressive manufacturing technology that enabled 1 person to do the work of 100. In addition SGC developed its own supply chain thus greatly reducing the cost.
I personally think the BC303 should not have cost 2 billion but 200 billion.
I think the 2 billion is a bargain.
The 303 was a prototype and proof of concept. It worked in that role.
The worst was X-301. It lasted 1 flight
at least he wasnot stolen 3 times
@@7dragons7swords no it just had a return to sender system built in
@@critter30002001 kkkkkkk
well.... being the first true human interstellar ship its bound to have some problems. that's why every time you build something you learn what works and what doesn't work and improve on them. I love this ship and I love my model from eaglemoss
How is the model? I've got the BC-304 model :)
Yes, this
The X-303 was quite literally prototyping a starship from scratch using a mix of theoretical, existent and stolen technology.
Thus her name, Prometheus, as she was built with 'fire' stolen from the gods.
@@HangarBay I think its ok. it missing some show accurate details but it was worth my money
Unfortunately, given when she was produced, the X-303 Prometheus was objectively the worst ship in the galaxy. But, that's to be expected. She was a test bed, a first foray into a new chapter of militarization that Earth had never done before, utilizing technologies the Tau'ri still only kinda understood. She's bad because she's old-tech mixed with new-tech mixed with alien-tech which is something the galaxy hasn't seen in eons.
I mean, if we are completely honest, even the 304s were absolutely useless before they got Asgard beams. Their dinky little railguns would not have so much as scratched the shields of a Ha'tak, and even naquadah enhanced warheads were ueseless against Goa'uld shields...
They are MUCH smaller than a Ha'tak, which probably means smaller and less sophisticated power plant, They still rely on a reaction drive vs the Goa'uld drives which are reactionless, and Earth never managed to develop their own DEWs, nor equip their missiles with reactionless drives.
@@Alexander_Kale This is what happens when you let the Air Force design a ship and they build something extremely inefficient. that it was difficult for them to install a giant railgun at the front of the ship, at least that would be more useful than the small cannons that both classes had that seemed more anti-fighter than anything else. Or take the plans of the Iowa, modify them with all the new technology and that's it, that would have been ten times better than the Prometheus
@@brunoscarlatto4679 Meanwhile, if you were to hire Navy guys to design what is only a ship in name, they would probably do some other stupid things.
Though I doubt that any weapon earth had available to them would have been man enough to damage a goa'uld ship. They would have needed to steal some Ha'tak guns and even then, Prometheus being so much smaller means they would not have had the power to actually do something. A Tollan Energy cannon would have worked, but where to get one. ^.^
Prometheus as a strike carrier to enact some sort of MAD analogue works as an idea. Put a dozen hyperspace capable smaller ships on it, park it somewhere and fill it with nuclear bombs. then make it clear to any Goa'uld with ambition that you will glass their homeworlds should they ever attack earth.
@@Alexander_Kale I know it was not comparable on a technological level, but the lack of standard weapons of a certain power hurt the Prometheus too much. Seriously, it was the only ship that humanity would have at its disposal for at least a few years. Couldn't they have designed something better?
Not only was it too small for humanity's needs, but it was very lightly armed and defended, which they thought they were going to do with inferior goa'uld shields and such equipment.
seriously and they say it cost only one billion, it's the cost of a navy destroyer.
I understand that it was a prototype, but if the survival of humanity depends on that prototype, you create something exaggerated and then adjust it to a standard class.
@@brunoscarlatto4679 the answer to "could they not have.." really is a clear and undisputable "no, they really could not". They had no idea what they were doing, they barely had the technology or the resources to get Prometheus working as is and they didn't have anything better in terms of weapons than Railguns.
Building a bigger ship would not have achieved much of anything either, because again, they had nothing to arm it with.
When your enemy has a point defense / armor system that can shrug off thermonuclear nukes by the dozen, meanwhile all you have is railguns, then you are somewhat shit out of options.
My favorite thing about the Prometheus is that the CGI team could never remember where the 302 bays were supposed to be to the point of even adding random horrible looking shutters to the engine nacelles at one point.
Contrasting Prometheus to its successor class, what immediately sticks out is that the daedalus and its sister ships look a lot more functional, whereas the Prometheus hullshape is comprised of pointless fluff.
Saw of the command tower at about the level of that weird half circle at the back, then take away said weird half circle, and you have a decent design.
The engine placement also makes it look incredibly ungainly. Two giant thrusters at the bottom of a really tall tower makes it obvious the centre of thrust doesn't go through the centre of mass.
The X-304 was much better about this.
I always assumed it looked so janky because it was a half finished alkesh when they turned it into the Prometheus. Sort of just had to bolt on whatever else they needed where ever it would fit. Where as the BC-304s were built from the ground up by humans resulting in a much less messy design.
@commandoepsilon4664 It had an Al'Kesh hyperdrive, but only after they ejected the original human-built Naquadria powered one.
They definitely didn't build the hull from an Al'Kesh though, since the X-301 failed due to using recovered Goa'Uld tech they didn't understand.
@@ReddwarfIV My assumption was based off the fact that it's based on a half finished ship so go'auld (sp?) were building after being stranded on Earth. Though you are right, it's very unlikely they'd just build on top of that unfinished ship considering the X-301 incident.
@@commandoepsilon4664 If you are talking about the ship that was build by the cloned Goa'uld symbiotes, then you have your timeline confused. By the time that Episode happened, the Prometheus must have been under construction already, or Simmons would not have been able to steal it just a handful of episodes later.
Prometheus hull is not based on any alien spaceship, it is one hundred percent a human design, though with a lot of extra stuff tacked on later.
They mention a spaceship in the episode where SImmons steals it, but that was likely just a cover story invented for the tv crew.
Up until the Asgard beam weapons were installed on Odyssey the Tauri ships really werent worth much against anythibg bigger than an Alkesh. The railguna and missiles just didnt do enough damage to Hatak shields or Hive ships. Tauri ships were more like support vessels for tactical use and transport.
even with the Asgard tech they still keep the railguns and missiles
@@josephryman3799 Yeah they do. They're already integrated into the design and cheap to produce and install compared to changing the designs to remove them. Their power requirements are negligible next to beam weapons, hyperdrive, and shields. They're useful as CIWS and anti-fighter weapons, and are still effective against Alkesh and wraith cruisers. And they're a better-than-nothibg backup to beam weapons if they go down. There's no point in not having them.
This is untrue. The rail guns were very effective against hive ships one on one, but only putting the daedalus on equal footing (due to the shields). There's an episode where the daedalus slugs it out with a hive ship, and both ships end up disabled. The rail guns were also seen as being effective against multiple hatak vessels (usually 3 at a time). They were shown taking damage. They're nowhere near as effective as the beam weapons, and even hatak weapons are more powerful. However, the rail guns are significantly more accurate than the staff cannons of the hataks, and they do damage.
That being said, the prometheus design could have gotten scaled down to serve a corvette role. Could be made significantly cheaper that way. Have a single ventral hangar bay for 4 fighters, and remove the command tower for a bridge design similar to the daedalus. Consistently Pair 2 as support craft to a daedalus class ship. You would have 24 f302s that way. The daedalus class could serve as a frigate to support future capital ships, as well as the roles it already takes.
@@magikclaw7458 in the episode you refer to, both ships only end up disabled because the Daedalus opens up on the dart bags as they launch causing secondary explosions which damage the hive, plus plot. If the Daedalus were firing at the hives hull it would do bugger all.
Regarding a corvette model, why have a hanger bay at all? Corvettes aren't fighter carriers. At best have a hangar / cargo with space for a tel'tak for tactical use / crew escape ship.
@@d.s.151 Wasn't that also the episode where Caldwell ordered all of his nukes to be fired simultaneously? And if not for Darts that were released to hunt Shephard down after he flew his F-302 and disabled their hyperdive, the hive would've been utterly obliterated. Out of that barrage they fired, only like two nukes got through and by Michael's admission, hive was heavily damaged.
What i do not understand though is that Daedalus was literally using the precisely same type of nukes that was sent to Abydos during the absolutely first mission through Stargate... The very same type of nuke that killed Ra 10 years before Daedalus was created and before Earth had access to Naquadah, not to mention Naquadria.
Were they trying to clean up military stockpiles or what? Because there is literally no reason, why they should have used same warhead as they used before SGC as organization was even conceived. It seemed like they focused on enhancing everything but their missiles... Those remained stuck in 80s/90s, while rest of Earth tech was catapulted millennia.
I always felt that going from the tiny X-302 to the massive X-303 was a huge step -- and the X-303 feeling a bit rough around the edges to the extent that it doesn't even have a reliable hyperdrive still felt very much in line with the overall story. Also, at the time we've been looking at season 6 of the only Stargate show, so there was no immediate need to move the storytelling into space -- which also meant the progression from 303 to 304 felt quite natural -- they kept a lot of the 303 design, but the 304 was clearly a massively overhauled "next generation" vessel.
Yeah, they really needed an Al'Kesh equivalent. The one time SG1 actually had one, it's cannons came in super useful.
that ship always made me think about the cost, and the ever expanding secret was was the SGC. Even without all the borrowed tech, its amazing to think they were able to build it, in secert, and funding for it and the SGC was kept hidden.
All the things going on in low earth orbit - keeping the random hobby astronomers or radio guys from picking something up is really an archivement!
They were probably making profit by that point. Just grab one rock and you have more of the heavy elements than even exist in the Earths crust.
@@robertmartinu8803 the whole show, is a conspiracy theory types wet dream.
@@TheAkashicTraveller yes and no, you just know that the SGC who is sharing this stuff with the private sector, is also not going to use anything to blow up the Earths economy.
All that off world mining I guess helps, but even that has a cost attached to it. The Alpha Site was a big spend as well
@@ianlister7333 it would be nice if they made a series following a team of people who job it is to keep it all secret and one set in the 2020s with it all out in the open
It was a prototype and proof of concept; everything was basically bolted on as it became developed/acquired.
In contrast, the Daedalus and its following ships in the same class were built with these technologies from the ground up, lessons learned in mind, with later models having yet more tech installed as they were built.
As a parallel, the NX Enterprise from, well, Enterprise also went through the same thing; the Columbia and others that came after her had all the stuff Enterprise had tested built in as they were constructed; same with new tech developed on Earth. Although Enterprise was the flagship of United Earth, it was actually less advanced than the Columbia and others in its own class in just a few years.
Basically, the Daedalus was Stargate version of the NX Refit to the original NX class.
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Everyone's forgetting the Prometheus's general look is very obviously built to Asgard lines (presumably to remain compatible with asgard shield technology, artificial gravity, etc). The Daedalus looks more human because by that point, humanity knew what they were doing.
A 303-A refit using the knowledge and technology that the 304 benefited from would probably have been a good destroyer to compliment the latter design and allowed Earth to build out it's interstellar navy that much faster. Seems to me the Atlantis expedition would have benefitted from a couple of them being assigned on a semi-permanent basis too.
Establishing a proper shipyard in Pegasus would have been good
It was still modeled to be a robot penis in space. The show writers actually joked about it. Also the reason they only let there be one of them and switched to the Deadless after.
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Welcome aboard! Thank you very much! I love Stargate! Expect a BC-304 video soon ;)
@@HangarBay Very good news!! Will you do others species of Stargate?
Once we get the BC-304 done, probably going to do the Asgard ships or the Gou’ald ships, not sure which first :)
@@HangarBay Great! I vote for Asguard ships! They are less know than the others ships of Stagate.
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Ya the Prometheus wasn't a pretty ship, but it was the first run for earth and I think she was a good girl, she held her own. Would be proud to be her captain running head long into battle.
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FUN FACT: No Earth ship ever destroy a Ha`tak
Given that the Prometheus ever won in a fight against anything bigger than an Alkesh, it's understandable that it would have a pretty lackluster reputation.
Guys are missing the point the Prometheus class was a prototype they didn’t improve the model or the features until the deadliest class was introduced
I mean, I was not a huge fan of the design while Daedalus looked and felt amazing. However my biggest gripe with Prometheus lied in a flaw I saw with SG as a whole, and that was that naquadria was just deemed to unstable and dropped, instead of slowly becoming an actual advantage humanity had over its foes. Getting all cool shit from Asgard is good and I definitely didn't mind that Tau'ri got it at the very end of the series, but I would love to see an actual human design hyperdrive with it's own quirks, as different aspects and ways technology interacted was for me the most compelling part of SG
I loved the Prometheus. I was sad when she was destroyed.
She's ugly as hell, but still an amazing ship!
There are two ways to go with a protypes in a story, they are overpowered but too costly for common use, or the protype needs to overcome it downsides. The prometheus is more of the later and it went above what was expected from it.
I adore the X303.
Just like when Picard was talking to Scotty about the Stargazer - In every measurable way the BC304 class was far superior but there are days when you'd choose the x303.
It was the first attempt at a battle cruiser and it showed. It was a bit of an underdog but who doesn't like an underdog?
I like the Prometheus, it looks crude and edgy like it would if they really were to built it. Just the other day I ordered a brick Model of it (not Lego, but parts like it) and am looking forward for my purchase. Over 2000 parts and over 20 inches long, from the brand bluebrixx in Germany. They have the official license for Stargate and Also Star Trek and did a bunch of amazing Display models 😊
Oooh yes, I just picked up one of there little SG-1 figures to try out!
I think it is unfair to call it the worst. It was the first capital ship and as such was a learning exercise and was used to teach us lots about building bigger ships etc. Yes it wasn't that great but you have to learn sometime.
Aye. For context, look at Earths development of the Glider. They started with slapping a USAF sticker on a captured one, and when that didn't work they built one from the ground up. Prometheus is an extension of that fundamental understanding that they had to build their own ships if they wanted the security of operating them without a nasty surprise waiting to rear up.
The human race had never built a spaceship before. Prometheus was it's first effort of slapping everything together to see if they could make it work. It was in essence a test bed prototype that became 'The best they had' at the time of war and would have been tested in every metric they could think of to build a better ship that was more in line with how the SGC wanted to fight their battles. And it worked. They moved to the 'shell' design instead of the 'tower block' design.
And with the gift of fire(knowledge gained) from the Prometheus, that fire was used to forge the Daedalus Class Battlecruiser.
Though I guess it could be argued that it could be classified as a Deep Space Carrier... that would be interesting to discuss
@davfree9732 and from the gift of fire (knowledge gained) from the Promtheus, that fire was used to forge the Daedalus Class Battlecruiser.
Though I guess it could be argued that the 304 was more of a Deep Space Carrier... could be an interesting discussion.
It was a great testbed for evolving technology, but I wish they had kept it and refit it for a specialized role (ie: scout/research vessel or as an AWACS) rather than destroy it.
This design reminded me of the Promelian Battle Cruiser as depicted on Star Trek TNG.
I consider this to be the worst Tau'Ri ship because it was illprepared for its tasks, as an underdog ship it was perfect. The BC-304 was a bit better but not by much (Specifically offense).
The offensive abilities of both ships were not that impressive (until the instillation of plasma beam weapons) but the defense and support abilities were where the ships shined.
Keep in mind it was a protype after all - prototypes rarely are actually good or viable - usually they are testing and learning platforms this alone means that yes they can be revolutionary but suck at the same time.
and as a testing platform the fact it was able to go toe to toe against anubis and his ancient tech powered hatak fleet is amazing in and of itself
Its the first try. It also tanks anubis ship hammering it. Wtf do you even want.
that was the drones from ground not the ship itself lol
The design was a bit minecrafty but I really like real life naval warfare and especially carriers. I just wish they had more ship types, at least some big Dreadnaught as the flag ship, Daedalus class ships as cruisers and Prometheus class could have been used as a support vessels or just a low tier ships to use when you need to pick up a team from a planet or just need a ship to carry cargo to planets without a gate where you really don't need overpowered Asgard lasers. Hell, Prometheus could have been the ship traveling in between SGC and Atlantis while Daedalus would stay in Pegasus full time. You could have an episode where there is a Wraith crisis brewing near Atlantis but Daedalus got called home so they now have count on Prometheus that can't fight Hive Ship directly.
It’s likely that if we saw the Heberdan or Tolan earlier in their development their vessels would be similar to the Prometheus, incorporating available local tech and tech from other cultures like the Ancients or Goa’uld
A civilization's very first starship capable to traveling to another planet and was using damaged and salvaged alien tech isn't holding up to par to already developed ships in the series!!!
Wwwwaaaahhhh???
Yea, its kinda to be expected. It was a prototype, if i remember they stated in the show that they already knew it would not hold up to a mothership. It was closer to the role of a screen than a frontline warship.
That said i loved the design. One of my favorite ships i scifi.
The Prometheus was incredible,and I like the design of her,btw it was the first interstellar Starship,a few bugs I admit but was a formidable vessel in my opinion
reminds me of the C&C tiberium sun Kodiak command ship. not sure wich came first tib suns kodiak or the SG x-303
The front section and the side pods make them look very similar indeed. Tiberium Sun was 99 teh preteus episode in 02.
I don't think this is the worst ship of the franchise, ok it look really weird, but it was a prototype ship from the start, and a prototype usually doesn't looks great, or doesn't work as intended, or sometimes both of them, and the X-303 Prometheus is the perfect example of what a prototype is, it's not good at first but it got many upgrades before the finale product, the BC-304 Daedalus class Battlecruiser design.
it was as bad or good, as it would realistically be: It was full of experimental tech and centuries ahead of the "normal" human development speed. As Selmak commented on the X-301: You can't just put an Air Force sticker on an alien ship…
My favorite thing about Prometheus was the thrum of it's sublight engines. Don't know why, they just sound powerful.
One Prometheus, trash ship
100 Prometheus, legendary
This gives huge TCS Concordia vibes from the Wing Commander games.
It always seemed very plausible to me as a human built ship if we gained access to alien technology and reverse engineered.
I always liked the idea that the ship had some issues and looked a little off because it was the first. But despite that it gave all it could and them some.
So is it the worst? Nope.
Plus looks don't really matter in space. Also cool to see you here. I'm a sub of yours. Love your videos.
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I'm reminded of the Thunderhawk from the 40k setting.
It was a prototype using new tech in a new field humans are only starting on built in secret by a government that pinches pennies. It's surprising it worked at all.
That said, the Prometheus was a good ship for what it was. It did it's job. And it was an important stepping stone to the Daedalus class.
You forgot to mention the Apollo, the F-304 of Colonel Abe Ellis.
Also, the Sun Tzu, Colonel commanding unknown.
It was really a prototype, the fighter bays were originally reactors.
It's the worst Tau'ri (Earth human) ship sure, but the X-301 was a Goauld Deathglider with USAF weapons hardpoints, comms equipment and cockpit and the X-302 was a human derived design or copy of the X-301 of entirely human designed components. Both the 301 and 302 never had properly working hyperdrives, with the production series F-302 only capable of very short intrasystem jumps and those ships were just fighter/interceptors.
The Tau'ri never managed to get a hyperdrive of their own design to work, and previously they only ever had working hyperdrive tech on ships of Goauld design until the tech was gifted to them by their Asgard allies. The Tau'ri are basically the same as us in the real world in terms of technological advancement so the fact that they managed to cobble together a ship capable of SSTO, hovering, in-atmosphere flight and almost capable of FTL flight (prior to being gifted Asgard hyperdrives) is amazing. It's like going straight into trying to make your own Concorde after the Wright Brothers proved powered flight was possible and settling for a Boeing 707.
The BC-304 is pretty much half-Asgard as much as it is Tau'ri. The hyperdrives, shields, transporters and related sensors, and later the weapons are all Asgardian in design and origin. And the BC-304 class was designed to incorporate alien designed components from the get go rather than them being grafted on and jerry rigged to work.
I think the X-301 probably qualifies as worse. But the Prometheus did have a great name: the Titan who stole fire from the gods.
Prometheus was a great ship, and a even better name. Very thematic once you look at the mythology, he stole fire from the gods and gave it to the humans.
Best looking ship in the series by far, second only to the Aurora class. Also Prometheus size definitely wasn't 195 meters, because it would be impossible for several 14 meter F302's to fit in any part of it. The true size is atleast 516 meters long. Nothing bad about the ship itself - it was literally the main Earth ship during most of SG1. It would've been cool if they had it also be the main ship that goes to Pegasus and back, but the writers wanted to get rid of it idk why?
I am stretching my memory, but the Prometheus never defeated a Pyramid ship in a conventional battle did it? It would usually just provide a distraction or covering fire. It had pretty good fighter defences but very weak anti-ship firepower.
Neither did the X304, i think only the Daedalus defeated a wraith hive once, without asgard beam weapons. Although i do remember in Season 7 when Anubis sent 3 motherships, a general told the president: "Prometheus and our fleet of 302's will give im a run for their money.", and even general Hammond agreed - implying that Prometheus could actually take on Ha'tak ships if it needed to. I guess 304's could do the same, just didn't happen.
I always wondered if there was a goauld named promethesius
Try a breakdown of Jupiter and Mercury Class Battlestars
Thanks for the suggestion! Both of those are on our list! But which one should we do first... 👀
@@HangarBay hum... Jupiter Class, please
the Daedalus class should be the front-line ship of the fleet wale the Prometheus class could have served in a support or transport role to the very off world base or the Atlantis expedition
The Prometheous ...... we had to start somewhere 👍
Give it a break. The first US aircraft was basically an upgraded version of the Wright Brother aircraft. One would not compare it to aircrafts that came later, like teh Curtis JN-2, P-51 Mustang, or the F-22.
Still had a better launch than the SDF-1 Macross.
Didn't kill an whole island to get off the ground so that's a good start.
Anyone else notice that the design is basically a backwards Sphinx?
That ship was a prototype it was meant to be a test bed
so it is the worst not because it was bad, but because it was the first
That why the Daedalus class replaced it
For it cost for first try and for be better that 60% ships in galaxsy i can say it was great
Six or seven Odessey class ships or a s load of Prometheus class. I'll take an s load of Prometheus class. Ship's can be upgraded with new engines and defence. If you're really serious about protecting your home world and eventual off world colonies you'd build the biggest fleet you can muster and a hand full of ships won't cut it.
really enterprise just imagine the rage from the star trek folks it would have got
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Oh yes, yes we can ;)
@@HangarBay yippie!!!!!
Will come in a few weeks! We’ve got some great videos on Trek and HALO for the moment!
This ship would have worked if it separated like the prometheus from star trek voyager
What human aircraft carrier looks like that? It was based off Azgard designs, with fighter capabilities.
In space, all you need is stitch on pods for your hangars. Heck, they should have had missile, drone, fighter pods.
Not the worst, just the First 😁
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It's a prototype and years ahead of anyone weaker than the Gould aka most everyone except like 4 races.
you misspelled gould hatak
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dont think it was the worst but it was certainly the ugliest, so glad it didnt stick around and got replaced
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Something is not right with audio, intro is load, and right after that Your voice is very soft
Thanks for the feedback! Just double checked, it is off balanced a bit. We'll get that fixed :)
@@HangarBay yes, intro is way louder then rest.
It wasn't a great ship because it was a prototype. Also....it was uglier than homemade sin. I'm glad they sent it to Valhalla.
It was an okay starter ship.
Never liked it, the deadalus class was awesome
Of course it was the worst. It was the first.
Prometheus was so damn ugly lol
Your intro is way to loud
Stargate started to fail when they tried to become Startrek.
Prometheus was only lost because SGC as all the "good" people in Movies is always stupid as fuck. They fired on the Satelite first without scanning for Data first or an option to negotiate... basicly starting a war with the nation controling it since... Prometheus fired first! But then after the return fire just stayed there an die... they should have armed the nukes and just obliterate the capital city of the enamy including the controll center for the weapon! They already started all out war by firing on the satelite so just getting destroyed while doing nothing was stupid! After all it was war with the Ori anyway and the entire Galaxy was at risk.
I always wonder how no one was held responsible for loosing the ship :/
Was so dumb the way they left it be destroyed - it's like the authors of the show just wanted to get rid of the ship quickly. Didn't even care about making a good story about it - they also didn't realistically portray how the US military would react to losing a capital ship. I mean it's like they literally forgot about those people with the Ori satelite - that would be like the US IRL not going for revenge after 9/11, but saying "let's forget about it" :D