FDM resin printing: Game changer or stupid?
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In this video we show our second attempt at FDM printing with resin. We also show the bigger picture behind this idea. Once this works, this enables so much possibilities to experiment with! So, what do you think, game changer or stupid?
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We are going to make this work! I hope you enjoy this journey and if you have any suggestions, let us know!
To get the resin to better sit where it is extruded, you might try adding a low boiling point solvent and using the part cooling or heater block to boil it off just after extrusion. Hexane or IPA might be perfect. Of course, it might ruin the resin.
What size nozzle are you using? You could ask Max for suggestions
Once things are better worked out, an obvious suggestion would be to replace the attached lasers with a fiber optic light feed. LEDs might be cheaper too.
try adding grinded down cured resin as a thickening agent. should have the same density as uncured resin.
Moving the UV light out of the nozzle should improve things quite a bit - less resin stuck to the nozzle means less failures and more consistent "extrusion". Ideal setup would be ring light like arrangement where the nozzle stays dark and the curing process starts some distance from the nozzle. Might be worth experimenting with using clear resin prints as a light pipe (transparent plastic part stuck to the LEDs).
You, my guy, are on WHOOOOLE another level.... The creativity in your brain is just out of this world for both Video (editing and ideas) and Engineering. Hands down.
Thanks man, really appreciated!
Thanks for saying that my friend. 😇🌎✨
Could u please share the STL model of the extruder online???? thanks
pretty cool progress 👏😎
..love your hidden humor, always cracks me 😂
Thanks Adrian!
I kept pausing the video and going back to make sure i didn't miss any easter eggs lol
I remember seeing a printer with same concept as this at FormNext last year by Massivit 3D. As far as I recall they use a photocurable and water-soluble "gel" with exactly the same process for hardening as shown here. They also have a second extruder with thermoset resin.
So you can print a soluble mold with this uv-fdm process and fill it with thermoset resin at the same time.
Anyway, it's an amazing start!
So instant curing or after finishing the layer?
What is the patent scenario around this concept? Patent attorneys can be painfully humorless.
@@ulrichkliegis4138 ViscoTec Pumpen- u. Dosiertechnik Gmb produces Moineau pump extruder called vipro-HEAD, around 4k euro.
@@jzagaja What does this have to do with a potential patent conflict situation?
@@ulrichkliegis4138 same principle?
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I'm glad you sponsored it! Thanks! I also hope that they do, we we're surprised by this printer and it showed that you put thought into it.
How do you feel about 3D printed firearms?
Do you really think you could print a firearm with resin? Rather, you can print a brain. You can get your hopes up.
@@squirlboy250 dangerously stupid
@@Demonicwolf9 No, not at all. We have came a long way in tech and there is a lot of really good people out there putting in the work. I was asking for his opinion on the subject matter and nothing more.
This project is amazing. To prevent the resin from sticking to the nozzle, a cone around the nozzle might help or angle the UV lights in a different way. Ensuring there is no way the resin cures near the nozzle. As others already pointed out an enclosure might help as well to avoid unwanted light and keep the temperature more constant.
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I was thinking a little of that ptfe coating stuff that slice engineering sells or ptfe spray applied to the nozle using a towel.
Soooooo good to see that you're making progress. I hope to see more fine tuning and where this train rides to. I wish you all the best !
Another killer video man! It's so awesome to see your ideas and goals working!! I can't wait to see where you take this!
To get more control on the flow, you should try a couple things.
1. Funnel feeding
2. Stronger pump that feeds an elaßtic reservoir like a think silicone tube
3. A pinch valve.
I used that setup to make a reaserch platform for molecular gastronomy, it works great.
That would be highly nonlinear and not a good idea at all.
Or just a standard motor driven syringe system with a 1mm bore capillary tube to the print head.
The production level goes up every video. The yarn and project board were the nice touch this time.
I love how you stay consistent and growing! Keep it up!
Congrats, my friend! That's a fantástic beginning and contribuition for the marker comunity. Looking foward for the next vídeos about It!
Simply AMAZING. Hope you get it perfect and someone sponsor your idea in the market. You deserve it👍
I get so excited about your designs and show my friends but none of them know anything about 3D printing so it all just sounds ordinary to them... I can't even begin to explain the level of engineering involved!
I love your videos, they keep me so inspired!
I've been hype about this video FOR MORE THAN 2 WEEKS!
This is awesome! Can't wait to see it improved! Keep working on it!
I was having a bad day.. Until this video's notification came! Thanks for uploading these awesome "adventures" of yours!
This is the start of a game changer, i will be watching your progress, keep the the good work.
Your editing and production is on a nother level my guy! Also thanks for trying this out so I wont have to:)
This guy is on another freaking level.
Great ideas and implementation man, keep it up.
Nice! Looking forward to seeing the continuous fiber printing! :D
You are super awesome! You have the right recipe! Patience, Persistence and Perseverance! I’m so proud of you!
Love the update and can't wait to see you achieve the end goal!
wow such amazing research and journey. I love your scientific trial and error approach, as well as your controlled chaos creative design thinking!
The production value here is top tier. Keep it up. Certainly a fun concept
Considering the difficulty of this project, I'd say that last benchy is extremely impressive! Great work! 😁
A complete rim with fdm resin continous fiber!?!? You are madman! A genius madman that is
Impressive! Thanks for sharing this adventure, I didn't think you were going to get it to work at all :D
wow the edit and production is sooo good !!! inspiring
Try angling the uv lights so that the beam is at least a few mm from the nozzle. And at that point I think you could use a little less thickener to keep it from balling up, because those uv lights seem to cure pretty fast.
Incredible Cinematography, awesome video!
Just found your channel with this video. Thanks to the YT algorithm for bringing me a real gem! Such a cool idea for resin FDM printing, really out of the box thinking. Love it!!
I've seen this idea floating around for some nice. Nice to see a diy approach.
You should use silica to thicken the resin. It's what we use in the industry if we need a resin to be more viscous. The glass bubbles are used in similar lines, but reduce strength etc.
The silica powder is also translucent so should cure even better.
Loving every second of ur production
Congratulations on taking a standard FDM printer, adding some fun chemistry/materials and added hardware, and creating the beast of both worlds!
Surprisingly good results thus far. The challenges are it seems to be subject to the failure modes you can expect from both types of printing and printers combined, including the issue of the fumes you need to avoid breathing. Hopefully it can be figured out well enough to counter the cost of the problems with better results than either type alone can do.
I see your methodology and if it can be done, it won't be too long before it is done.
Sovol must love watching their printers being hacked like this!
Should you get it working well enough, perhaps they'll sell a kit based off your work.
Never stop experimenting, omg this is what the community needs! more creative people who are willing to push the limits of current technology while thinking outside the box!!
What a year this channel has had. Very impressing.
Two minutes into the video I hit the like button. Love the storytelling, and the project is very interesting
EXCELLENT. Seems a bit smaller nozzle, and possibly an internal check-valve that requires a bit of pressure to allow goo passage, but with no back pressure shuts off.
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Bedankt Stef!
This is impressive, another level!
That's so cool! I love your innovative approach and your filming too! 👍
To solve some of the "sticking to the nozzle" problems, maybe it would help to have a little "umbrella" around the opening of the nozzle, so that the resin only cures a few millimeters after the nozzle...?
_"Vamos a la playa"_ and the usual right soundtrack ... You guys nailed another one! - YES I *enjoyed* this journey with you two: *cured* 😎
More amazing than the printing is how you can also film it and tell the story. If I was working on a project like this it would definitely be stuff absolutely everywhere. I am always amazed how people make such innovative projects at the same time as making entertaining content. When I build somthing everything is a mess untill its done. (Typically half done)
Geweldig! Je hebt het precies aangepakt zoals ik het zou doen. Wat ik me nu bedenk is dat je de printhead lichter kan krijgen als je een even sterk signaal kan maken met 1 UV lamp en een lens om het brandpunt precies op print hoogte te krijgen. Dat idee met glasvezels vond ik ook mooi out-of-the-box maar ook wel vrij complex. Voor het gewicht van zo'n opstelling zou een enkele high power UV LED dat ook voldoende moeten zijn. Ben benieuwd naar de volgende iteratie!
No one has ever done it better so... until someone comes up with good looking parts using CDM, those are high quality prints : ) Great video as usual.
I've had this idea kicking around for ages of a dual nozzle FDM and Resin printer. FDM to draw vasemode, Resin for the infill.
Keep improving! You've got this!
Would be interesting to see the physical strength comparison of these prints vs standard pla, and standard resin prints.
That'd be interesting for sure!
Love your creativity man!
very cool video! Love to see where this goes from here!
Incredible job working out the mixture and the viscosities. "Aquarium decoration," I was thinking the same thing, made me laugh.
You guys are at another level! Congrats for your so far success. I was thinking that maybe you can reduce the focus point of the UV light so that they target the resin after it is extruded. That way, maybe, you mitigate the curing of the resin at the nozzle.
I subscribed less than 3 minutes in, this is great so far
GRAET JOB ! You're too close to bring it to life. Could you mention your friend with his FDM resin printer, I mean, who send you this video
Very good video! Nice idea and very good job 👏🏻
Looks like a concrete printer. Love the barnacle benchy. Thanks for the time at ERRF
Nice work man! Great idea and interesting result.
It reminds me of those inkjet UV printers
Interesting attempt! Makes me wonder if at some time in the future we may see something on this basis.
Good for you. This is an excellent idea!
I'm amazed. This could be a revolutionary new 3d printer category. In fact I'm sure it will be. This is actually so cool and fascinating. I'm sure once this is well done out it could compete in the same way fdm and resin do. It'll be the same case of that this has certain advantages over the other, so in certain applications it'll be better. Truly amazing
Thanks! It's fun to experiment with this and come up with new insights of what's possible. I'm convinced that we're going to find some interesting applications!
Great video. It looks like the skirt was pretty important to equalize the pressure. Maybe increasing the number of skirt lines would help the first layer even more.
Although I can't think of a single practical application for this I've always wondered if it's possible and I'm happy to see there's somebody doing it for once!
Still, the only advantage I can think of is the possibility of better bridging and development of future processes but that doesn't make it any less exciting.
Very cool. Your resin reminded me of those pottery clay printers. I think they use a worm-drive pump and syringe pump. Would help with the flow. Also a shroud around the nozzle to block UV.
It looked so similar indeed! I want to use this technique to see if it can print the clay which would be awesome!
This is a really interesting and intriguing series. It really makes the imagination run wild. I wonder if the peristaltic pump might work better if the resin is stored in a reservoir above the pump to allow for gravity feed instead of forcing the pump to draw the resin upwards against gravity. You could even incorporate a mixing mechanism to keep the resin from separating before it is pumped.
As a guy who had to work on Ipro8000's, and now consumer level fdm...
Try accura extreme white or watershed clear if you can get a hold of them. Their viscosity and photosensitivity may be the best solution to some of these issues you are having.
Thanks for the Stroopwaffels at ERRF too!
Thanks for your suggestion! Also, you're welcome!
Very good idea! Nice one !
I hope everything is good with you and that you have some vids comming. I miss them! Best regards!
these UV resin deposit machines currently exist at our facility we have several of them to pop out large forms, indeed we print in continuous mode. nice work.
You should add a wipe channel on the bed somewhere. Like a v-slot the same angle as the nozzle then and g-code every layer or so to go wipe the nozzle. Or even just and upside down brush.
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Great video!! I think you are on the good path!! 😃👍
Moar and fastaaaar! Awesome work!
Hey those whiteboard clips look handy. Do you have a link to those models?
I love how speechless you get when one of your endeavors finally works :)
Still impressive... and has POTENTIAL for future research and technology. I have absolutely no doubt this could be a step in the direction to something better than both FDM and resin printing. (and it could lead to much stronger resin prints that can have much more strength than FDM or any plastic).
Awesome man. I think if you can use some kind of screw extruder with a tank that rides along you can have a much thicker resin mix that should help a lot I think. the tank that rides along can be filled with a less precise kind of pump that can handle the sludge. Keep on trucking dude.
I have made a paste extruder and also considered using a resin base paste for photo curing. I would use regular UV LEDs and make a “hat” to cast a shadow to the tip of the nozzle. If you solved the light scattering issue I would say that the laser light is too concentrated for this application. Instead of a “hat “ you could use a more obtuse nozzle tip and raise the light source (to cast shadows).
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing!
I used those glass bubbles as filler in fiberglass polyester resin and epoxy.
I think you could get really good results here with a few adjustments
- screw pump gravity fed by a hopper
- higher viscosity resin mix
- shade the nozzle so that resin stuck to it doesn't cure
- more light intensity and slower print speed
How am I supposed to learn anything from your video if you make me laugh so much? 🤣
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Awesome concept!!!
ooh I've been meaning to work on continuous fibre for my foot changer but I never had the tools I'm excited!
I assume you're gonna also extruder the carbon fiber trough an extruder like filament into the same "Hotend?"
what kind of carbon fiber are you looking to buy?
A mini paste extruder that cures with UV instead of heat, well done!
check the frame at min 08:12. i like the shadow circle around the nozzle maybe it can prevent clogging
These notifications hit different. Great experiment!
What if you "wiped" with the UV light between layers? Is it possible to add a bit of retract as well?
this might be way off topic but where did you get the whiteboard mounting brackets from? anyway to share?
Would it help to build a scrubber (like an upside down toothbrush) off to one side of the build plate that could scrub the nozzle after 'X' number of layers? The only issue is how to mount it so that the print head doesn't have to travel up and down in X, Y, and Z to achieve the nozzle cleaning and return back to printing layer in a lot of time? One thought: Since this is a bed-slinger test bed, You could mount the scrubber on the Z traverse bar and a simple gcode routine of sending the nozzle all the to the right, and a little back and forth motion could scrub it and then send it back to the printing area at the new layer height.
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Nice! Are you using any heat in your extruder per chance? I was wondering if you could make a thicker resin going into a slightly heated extruder to soften it until it hits the cooling fans and stiffens enough not to run away and then it will cure with the UV lasers!
Not yet, but doing that with extreme viscous high performance resins would be so interesting!
Very amazing work👏👏👏👏
Crazy stuff! Such a funny video 😂
Thanks James!
Would printing with those glass bubbles require ventilation/air filtering too?
another super cool thing (i think already mentioned in the video?) would be to print polymer solutions: PVB in alcohol, styrene filaments in acetone, or even chitosan would be awesome
Exactly!
So cool! I imagine volcanic ash would not print as smoothly though as the glass beads, since volcanic ash is irregular/jagged and presumably more likely to clog. It is also likely more abrasive.
But wow this is cool! Makes me wonder when enough patents will expire for objet-like printers.
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