.357 Mag Test- 180 gr SJHP
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- Simple test in both the 4" and 2" barrel of the Federal .357 Magnum Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point ammunition. It is rated at 1,080 FPS from a 4" barrel, so lets see what performance I get through the Jug-or-Not box! Always appreciative of any channel help :)
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Thanks for the video.
I have been shooting 357 magnum handguns since the early 1970s. My 6-inch Smith & Wesson 357 magnum is my favorite handgun.
When I searched for handgun ammo that I could use for protection from black bears, feral hogs, and wild dogs while photographing in the wilderness, I tested the following:
1. HMS Bear Load (180 grain hard cast lead flat-nose)
2. Federal Premium (180 grain semi-jacketed hollow-point)
3. Remington (180 grain semi-jacketed hollow-point)
4. Bitter Root Valley Bear Load (180 grain semi-jacketed hollow-point)
I shot all four bullets into 1.5 inch thick pine boards.
The HMS had the deepest penetration (lodged in the last third of the third board).
The Federal Premium was second (lodged in the last third of the second board with a significant dent in the third board).
The Remington was third (lodged in the last third of the second board with a slight dent in the third board).
The Bitter Root was fourth (lodged in the first third of the second board).
For comparison, I also shot a Western 38 Special (158 grain lead round nose) which lodged in the first board).
Your recoil tolerance is more than mine. When I fired five of the Remington HTP 180gr SJHP rounds, I felt it from my J-Frame! I think I would consider that a woods load. For example, if I needed to kill a forrest with one shot.
The Remington HTP is rated at 1,145 FPS while the Federal is rated at 1,080 FPS. That being said Remington usually inflates their numbers a tad so I would say both are probably loaded the same. I don't recall what your J-frame is, but the Taurus fully loaded is 24 oz and with one round maybe 22 oz.
If you need it to kill a Forest, LOL! Good one, Fudmotin!
@@GunSam My J-Frame is the S&W 649 in stainless steel. Although I ceracoated it without destroying it somehow. I also changed grips and front sight. It handles the 180s, but they sting.
Glad to know that they expand in the 1,000 fps range. I might load up some for the critters that wouldn't be impressed with my 158 grain loads.
Thanks for this. I was thinking of either getting a snub-nose .357 or .44 wheel gun as a back up carry. This showed me that the 2" barrel will be just fine for that purpose.
Both are pretty good. I just got a 4" .44 mag today but, in a 2" i'd opt for a .357.
When did the smaller less potent backup gun idea start? Why is the backup less of a gun than the main carry?
Lifted_Above - Where does it say “smaller,” or “less potent?”
@@KailuaDoug I'm not accusing YOU, Doug. I'm asking the question. Most people have a very compact and sometimes lower caliber backup, as compared to their main carry piece.
Lifted_Above - understood. Currently my main carry piece is a 45 caliber. I plan on upgrading to a 10 mm when I find one that I like that is more compact in size. I have a 10 mm now, but it’s a long slide, 6 inch Springfield and that won’t work for edc. I wanted to get a wheel gun for a back a piece just in case shit hits the fan. And I wanted that to be more powerful. So I was thinking 44 magnum, or at minimum 357 magnum.
Heavy rounds for short barrels and light rounds for long barrels. Ligbt rounds have more gun powder to burn and long guns have more barrel to build up pressure (for velocity) as it is being sent from the chamber to the muzzle. I also use this logic when doing AR pistol loads.
I remember that load! I use to buy that back in the day before I bought gun calibers starting with a 4! Still great as I can see. Thanks.
It's nice to see that your excellent work continues. Fascinating data.
Thank you.
That was an impressive video. Great job thanks for doing it
Thanks!
Watched a lot of your videos since buying a revolver. Keep up the great work
Thank you. I got another revolver today lol
The energy from this round must be massive. I like it.
this is what i load in my house gun (6" gp100)
Great analysis. Thanks. Surprisingly, the Remington 357 Mag 180 grain is ballistically the same as the Remington 10mm 180 grain.
Another great presentation. That's a lot of punch from a short barrel.
Thanks!
Interesting. Keep up the good work
I remember buying these back in the 90's for my brother and me!
My deer load, and a very good one out of my 5in. Smith
Great video. Reminds me of my younger days when my buddy and I would test ammo. Thanks, Sam.
Thank you.
I know particular kinds of ammo are getting hard to find, but if you ever get the chance I’d love to see the results out of a 2 inch barrel, using Buffalo Bore’s Heavy .357 Magnum (180 gr JHP, factory rated 1500 fps) cartridge. Keep up the good work!
I been thinking about testing that, however there's no way i'd want to in the 2" barrel lol. Maybe the 4", that's some serious ammo.
Maybe mount up a pistol brace. hahaha
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Yep. Right now it’s what I carry for my “truck gun,” which is a 2” snubby. I’m curious to know how much velocity it can achieve out of a 2” and if the bullet will hit its expansion threshold. Besides, you only live once, man. Give it a go!
@@taw1967 There's only so much acceleration to be given to the bullet in 2" before the rest is thrown into the air as a fireball. It's like wasting well over half of the powder out of every round to noise and flash.
Lifted_Above I understand that. But I would still like to know how the ammo I carry in my pistol actually performs. I know you give up something with a 2” barrel. I want to know how much.
Excellent test! Thank you!
Sam out of all the years i've owned .357 magnum revolvers i never test fire factory 180 gn ammunition because i was told that it was too slow for any real expansion but it appears to do an average enough job at close range from your test, but i do see why manufactures use a 158gn SJHP as a standard heavy weight for the .357 magnum cartridge but i do see some potential for the 180 sjhp for a longer barrel revolver or carbine but with my 202 gn test i was able to get about the same velocity but it was a cast bullet say 1050 fps, this bullet would do great say in the old .357 maximum or .35 Remington rifle. another excellent video Sam.
It seemed to do okay. Actually had less felt recoil than most when I think about it.
I think recoil is dependent moreso on powder quantity than most things. Like you said, a lower capacity due to bullet deeper in casing will mean less powder, and a bullet with higher inertia will give it slightly more time to burn before it leaves the barrel.
DIDNT even know they made this, I thought they only made 158 gr bullets for a .357, but I'm good with this. Thx for the vid.
That was really interesting, keep up the good work
Thanks!
I'm sold on the 125 SJHP round in both .38 and .357, but back in the day I bought a box of Black Talons and they were 180 grain. I don't have those anymore and I never fired them but I was always curious about how the heavier grain round would work. Looks pretty good to me. I don't think I'll switch loads, but I would not feel bad buying a box.
The 180 black talons kick ass out of a 4-inch Barrel I can tell you that. Wicked expansion and penetration
Yes 125s are great
Gun Sam, sir appreciate these videos. I have some 180 gr .lead RNFP 357 Magnum Bear Loads from HSM which I shot in my Henry Carbine and noticed at 50 yards had quite a bit of drop compared to shooting .357 Magnum 158 gr SJSP from Aquila which are fairly robust. It seems the combo of the larger slug and depending on the powder load appears to cause it to slow down over longer range. Stay safe and healthy, sir.
I like your videos in normal times. I think a better test now is how much velocity and damage your revolver does when you chuck it at someone 'cause there is no ammo for it.
Thank you for helping me decide on what I believe I want. I'm looking at the Ruger SP 101 with the 2.25 barrel and I believe it will do nice for conceal carry after a trigger job and a new grip I have big hands .
Thank you! I have a Charter Mag Pug from the era that was known for hitting well below POA. 124 Gr Golden Sabres hit 6" low at 7 yards, 158 Gr S&B (38 Spl) about 4" low. I was hoping 180 Gr Remington might be closer to POA but haven't had a chance to test them yet but nice to know they are effective in a snubbie. Much as I don't want to I guess I'll be filing down the front sight if the 180 is still low. 😣
Heavy for caliber. Some guys really prefer that. Interesting & helpful information. Thanks
I do like heavy for caliber in some, well at least high end of average. Like .45 ACP has to be 230 gr for me.
When I shot it in my rifle in went through 5 jugs at 1500 FPS . Interesting how it penetrates same at different velocities. 22 inch barrel. I love this round. A couple years ago you could buy a box of these at sportsman guide for 13 bucks a box. I wish I would have bought more.
Good stuff! Good to see you back out there and porting over old tests to the Jug-or-Not approach is good interim approach. These 180's are prolly much to mas mas mas for my considerations. Oddly this only popped up relatively early on Saturday morning having displayed/announced as being *uploaded* 20 minutes prior to my finding it... However yours and Fudmotin's comments are 14 and 7 hours old. Dunno.
A project I'm percolating on that you might get some mileage and veiws over is experimenting w/cutting down and loading .38 Spcl components @ 38 S&W lengths and step-wise loading up to .38 Spcl-"ish" speeds out of Snubbies. I'm after the assurance and ease of total case extraction/ejection (the ext rod length vs case length issue on J-Frame snubs) and faster/easier speed loader alignment and push/release. I fig'd If I ever make any real numbers that these that I would use exclusively plus p labeled brass in the hopes that no one, years down the road, would test them in a old antique or top break. with everything going on I haven't been able to get out and test in any media, but speeds and pressures are looking good to a just a couple tests of different configs. Edit: I'm using that same die set LB4L sent you back in the day.
Thank you. This video was uploaded yesterday, sometimes I have them uploaded a couple of week before publish. Fudmottin has a comment as he's a patron on Patreon so they get my uploads live before I publish them on TH-cam as published.
@@GunSam and speaking of (unsolicited ;) suggestions, but owing to the "current conditions", and factoring in what you likely have on-hand already, and which would become perennially popular/search results rich traffic vids, what about doing up some equivalent weight / equivalent charge Lead Round Nose _and_ Lead SWCHP comparisons in the Jug-or-Not? (Those are some of the only somewhat reliable components I've seen coming and going at the various online source stores right now anyway). We know what'll happen pretty much, but this new/fledgling crop of shooters still have the age old questions and same old school advice coming from Uncle Tom, Richard, and Harry as we've all _enjoyed._
Thanks for sharing. Your videos are always interesting. Take care.
Thanks! I have some .44 caliber content coming soon.
@@GunSam Thanks, I will look forward to that. Take care.
Simply brilliant!
lol thanks. Felt run of the mill to me making this video
Looks like a good load for hunting or critter defense. The 1.5x expansion is typical of hunting loads. I know a lot of people use 180's for bear defense, but usually hardcast or JSP. The 2.75" 8 shot Redhawk is intriguing in that regard, especially if i move to AK in the future. So is the 4" 41 Mag, since i do not have a DA 41😁. But i would make do with my 686 for awhile, or the 4" S&W 69 i want to get. And of course a 10mm........
Nice test. Too bad there isn't some sort of pressure sensor that could be held against the back strap, in your palm, to get some sort of felt recoil reading.
There are recoil calculators online, but they are not easy to use.
great stuff man.
Not that I would ever run into a grizzly in the east. I still would like to see a test on a simulated grizzly skull with 357 mag.
I am not totally sure how to simulate a bear skull.
If I ever get enough time off work. I'll try making one. If I do, I'll post a video. Just curious, because I hear that the minimum caliber should be 10mm or 44mag.
Great info !
I'm still looking for a good (for me) carry round for my SP101. I've never run 180 through it but I think I'll give it a go. It never occurred to me that there may actually be a little less felt recoil due to a marginally lower powder load. Great review.
Thank you. Personally I feel like the Gold Dot 135 gr short barrel .357 is the best load for a revolver like that.
@@GunSam I appreciate the recommendation!
Al, have you tried the Winchester 110 gr loads? They perform pretty well with a little less recoil (assuming that recoil, flash and blast are the main issue). Also, the Hornady CD is loaded 100 fps or so below max, so that may help. I believe the 125 gr Golden Saber is as well. You might also try the Buffalo Bore 38 +p 158 gr LSWCHP (the old FBI load). These are known to hit 1000 fps from snubbies, with good terminal performance. I think Sam's recommendation of the Gold Dot SB load is a good one also. Lots of good ammo out there. Nowadays it mainly comes down to what you can find
@@troy9477 I keep the the Winchester 110 357 loaded up as a home defense load enough power to take care of what you need to without having to worry about a bullet flying in your next door neighbor house it expands great and little recoil similar to a hotter 38+p. If I could find ammo right now I would buy a couple more boxes off general principal. Now if you got 2 bad guys standing one in front of the other a 158 or 125 mag would do better in other words overpentrate or if you have to go through say a car or wall then yea 158 or 125 non hollow will handle that. I fell in love with 357 cause it's so versatile. Second fav caliber is 22 and they are very underrated for cheap price and let's face it no one wants to get shot from a pellet rifle to a 50 cal lol now one will stop them faster but in real world scenario a 22 in the pocket is better than a 45 at home🤙💯
As always, nice video
Thanks again!
I get better accuracy with 180 grain bullets (or 148 grain wadcutters) in both of my snub nose 357 guns. (Both are steel frame, not alloy.). I believe it is because those two bullets have more surface area to engage the barrel rifling and therefore stabilize better than the shorter (lighter) bullets. Moving the same ammunition to the 4” guns shows no difference in accuracy between the 180/148 bullets and 110/125 bullets. Thanks so much for doing the test.
Thanks again, I'd love to see a test out of a carbine in comparison to a handgun. Take care!
Thank you. I don't know if i'll ever get into carbines, but it sounds fun.
Monster hunting potential
Woods blaster to make cannon fodder out of anything you hit with this round.
Never did much with soft tip rounds. Do like the idea of one on a lever action rifle. Think it would be interesting to see the performance. Thanks for all the cool videos.
Good stuff.
Thank you.
This looks like good hunting ammo out of a rifle or long barrel handgun .
Loved the video, been looking for a good deer round for my ruger blackhawk. Would try this one if I could find it. Also looking at the Remington 158gr sp.
Thank you. I think this would do fine, but honestly most .357 ammo would do well if it's over 125 gr.
shot these out my 3" bond arms derringer 😯, my model 19 wasn't bad, my henry big boy no problem but wow it heated my gun up good after 10 rounds. need to order more but can't find them. 😵
Random question but judging from your testing of .357mag which brand seems more consistent and faster velocities underwood 180gr hard cast or buffalobore 180gr hard cast? I like that the underwood is nickel cases and the bullets are red so the lead won’t turn blue on you over time but what are your thoughts on those loads? I heard of a similar load I think it’s by double tap but I might be mistaken.
You should do a test 44 mag vs 357 mag then 38 special vs 44 special
I am not going to do "a" test like that soon because there is NO ammo at all that is comparable and available, but I plan an entire series of both when I can get ammo.
I'm curious how that round would perform out of a 16 inch barrel. Awesome video thanks again Sam
Thanks for watching!
These could get you in the ballpark: www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html
I forgot if you did a comparison to the 158 grain hp round.
Not with Federal.
@@GunSam Try them sometime and see what you get in results. The 180 grain is good for hunting for me when I am deer hunting with my old lover ACTION Marlin in.357/.38 S&W special with no cross bolt safety. One of the GREAT RIFLES FROM WAY BACK WHEN.
I don’t know if you check your old videos, but I’ve been wanting to ask: have you ever had any problems with key holing in the 605? I noticed last time with Fiocchi 158g FMJ I was getting some. And oddly with the 942 Taurus as well (22LR high velocity rounds)
I honestly haven't noticed any. I mean, I may have seen that with an ammo or two, but off the top of my head I can't recall any of that and it's been a great revolver with the exception the crane screw snapped. I just put a S&W stainless J-frame screw in it's place. So, if that ever happens you know the S&W J-frame screw IS compatible. I used to have an older .22 LR Taurus 94, and while it's quality was terrible at the time, it was actually one of the most accurate handguns I owned. I suppose if you have narrowed down the ammo in question and other ammo is fine I wouldn't worry about it, maybe if you can fire a round or two from like 50 yards or whatever your max allowable distance into some cardboard and see how the hole looks. Cardboard shows keyholes better than plain paper in my experience.
Have you tested the Remington 180 SJHP?
Not yet.
@@GunSam Remington 180 in my opinion is the better load. Been shooting it in my 1976 Colt python for deer. My 2 cents.
Back to full revolvers I see. Those Block fan boys can be a bit of of pain to deal with and not to mention far more annoying than gnats.
2020....one can find baloney packs, but no ammo...If not for felt recoil, many more would carry the 357 mag..do you own a 357 siq auto? that too is a hot round.. Love to see a side by side using Sig Sauer Elite in a 357mag revolver and in the sig auto 357 ..very equal on paper...
Not yet, maybe someday I will get a .357 Sig.
a 1400 fps SJHP would be Kang for a 6 inch. Do it all.
That’s a Ruger GP100 3 inch
huh?
@@GunSam I very much apologize sir. My previous comment was meant for a previous video completed unrelated to you.
THIS video was great, and I really appreciate you. I just found your videos a few months ago and just wanted to say thank you, and keep up with the great job.
Well...I did it! I bought another revolver.....SW 360 airweight. Scandium with stainless steel wheel and barrel. Already put a thicker grip on it so I’m good to go. What do you think of doing a demonstration of the light weight 86 gr. Fast copper polymer ammo. ARX is one manufacturer I know of . The box says it flys better with better lateral force dispersion ! 1650 fbs. 520 ft.lbs. I’m guessing these ammo. is more practical for long barrel accuracy ? !
I did that today too lol. S&W 69 4.25" .44 Mag!
th-cam.com/video/5FYR4TB0E-U/w-d-xo.html
If you like This round. You would like the 200g Nosler Jhp 40s&w round loaded by double tap. My woods load for my g23.
Have you tested the 158 grain Remington SJHP loads? Are they any good? Among the SJHP weights, which do you think is best? I have seen 110, 125, 158, and 180.
I thought that I had, but when reviewing all my videos it appears that I only tested that in the 2" barrel. It did pretty good: th-cam.com/video/bgL2ZhRY2Bc/w-d-xo.html
Time to start looking for a gently used 2" barrel S&W as an EDC.
You can carry a 3 inch just about as easy. BB
@@bobburnitt5389 I already have a 686-6 with the 4 inch barrel. I'm a disabled veteran with medical issues. Some days it would be better for me to carry a smaller, yet effective, revolver. But I do appreciate your advice. Shoot well friend.
@@mattbrown5511 Yeah, I have a 686 Plus, they are so heavy. I have several large caliber handguns. But the one I carry now is a S&W 637 J-Frame Airweight. It weighs 15 ounces empty. It shoots 38 Special + P. "The old saying is true, the bigger and heavier a handgun is, the more likely it will be left at home". I cannot conceal one of those big guns in Texas in the summer. Even in the WINTER here, hard to conceal. So I usually leave the Big gun in the vehicle and carry the Air-weight "on me". It has an 1 7/8 barrel. Not fun to shoot, but lightweight and S&W Reliable 38 Plus P. That thing will do a lot of damage. BB
@@bobburnitt5389 South Mississippi here. I force myself to tote my "brick" regardless. It would be nice to have the option, especially in this environment, to carry a smaller gun. Thank you for the advice. I have a friend at a local shop that will capture and hold what I ask him to.
@@mattbrown5511 Yes, Mississippi is even as hot as here but even more humidity, sheesh can be rough in the summer. Well, good luck, it is hard to find a firearm with no trade-offs. I knew a guy that had 5 pawn shops at one time. He told me once he could look at a cops Gun and tell how long he had been a cop. They start out with BIG guns, and as time goes by they get smaller and smaller. All of that getting IN and out of a car all day long with a BIG hunk of iron gets old I guess. Good luck, if you ever need that "brick" at least you will have it!!! BB
Federal tailored that cartridge for medium game hunting. The expectation is that it will be shot out of a hunting-length revolver (6-9”) or carbine/rifle with a 16” to 24” barrel.
www.federalpremium.com/handgun/
All of the major ammo manufacturers have target, hunting and personal defense offerings for 357 magnum. Some 357 cartridges are further slanted toward varmint sized animals and others toward medium game, such as deer or feral pigs.
www.hornady.com/ammunition/handgun/#!/ Hornady shows you icons to orient customers the applications for which the different cartridges were designed.
You evaluate everything you test through a personal defense lens. Yes, you get to use and judge the products however you want. However, acknowledge their objectives were not your objectives when you conclude there are better rounds that do meet your objectives.
Why would you buy Hornady LeverEvolution or Federal HammerDown 357 ammo to shoot through a concealed carry handgun?
www.federalpremium.com/Ballistics-Calculator Using a ballistics coefficient of .210 and a projected muzzle velocity of 1485 fps from a 20” barrel, zeroing your height max to be +1.5” at 50 yards would expect the -1.5” drop to occur at 105 yards. That’s a decent maximum point blank range for a middle of the pack cartridge. Note that the 100 yard velocity is 1240 fps with 615 fp of energy left to drive the bullet into the target. That’s still more punch at 100 yards than your 2 & 4 inch revolvers developed at splash-back range. Hunting from 25 to 100 yards is where this cartridge does make sense compared to your personal defense best choices.
My buddy gave me a box of Hornady 180s...have to come up with a recipe
If you load them really low they might impact very high, so if you have a gun that shoots low that would work well to fix it. Otherwise i'd personally use a fast powder and just load them the middle of the road.
@@GunSam thanks for that input I have a S&W 620 which is a lot like a 686 4in
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