Loading and Shooting Berry's 158gr Bullets for .38 & .357
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Every shooter needs practice ammunition! Today we took a look at Berry’s 158 grain Flat Point TP 38/357 Cal bullets.
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I happen to be in St. George about a month ago and based on Ultimate Reloader recommending Berry's bullets I stopped and obtained me some 9mm thick plated flat nose bullets. I haven't tried them yet, but they were a great price.
I thought you did an excellent job in front of a camera. You are a natural. Love the video and the content. Thanks for sharing.
I've used Berry's bullets for longer than I can remember. They are a great cost-effective way to load. I vary between their bullets and my own hard-cast lead boolits for plinking and target shooting.
I don't cast, it was just one thing too many... But I do load and shoot a lot of cast lead bullets, primarily from my 357, 44, and 45-70.
Same here.
Shake and Bake powder coated 158 grain bullets with 16 grains of h110 work very well for me.
I use a lot of Berry's 115gn .355 bullets to reload 9mm. Good cost effective bullet and I like that the lead is completely covered.
Good to see you taking the whole video. Great stuff!
Outstanding video! Guy you are a natural in front of the camera. I really enjoyed how you presented the information.
Nicely presented, Guy. I’ve been enjoying your presence there at UL. I use both plated and cast bullets for practice and plinking with 38 Special. I shoot both 125 and 158 grain plateds from X-treme at 820 fps. My fav cast bullets are the Hensley & Gibbs #51, a 150- gr bullet with my alloy, and the Lyman 358429. Both of those run in the same velocity range. 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
I have been using plated bullets by Xtreme. I mostly practice with 105 grain lead in 38 and 140 grain lead TCFP in 357 from MO bullets. I bought a 627 a couple years ago and just fell in love. Now I'm looking to up the power and have started playing with plated a bit in 45 acp and 357.
Interesting video as always. Here in the UK for .357 I use PPU plated 158gn bullets and a 158gn hard lead for my practice rounds using Lovex powder or Vhitavouri. I use the same process with a separate crimp die. I get similar velocities from a 20" Winchester.
Good job Guy!
Excellent, great information
I've used Berry's 125 grain great for plinking 38 special.
What a nice light bullet for the 38!
And?
I’ve done the same with the 125. A +P loading out of my 16 inch Rossi gives 1260 fps and 965 fps out of my 6 inch revolver with good accuracy in both. These loads require a heavy crimp to keep from pushing into the case in the lever gun. I used a 9mm taper crimp die. Kind of a pain, and I changed to a poly coated cast lead bullet.
Very surprised at the chrono results in this video. I’m going to guess you need a heavier crimp.
I have used several thousand Berry’s bullets in 9mm. They work great.
I use 158 grain Frontier RN and LOS FP bullets on both .38 spec. and .357 mag.
The LOS go 1250 fps out of my 6" 686
Another awesome video, I enjoy the way you do your videos.
Thanks for your service.👊🏻🇺🇸
Great job Guy! Keep the vids coming. I love my .38 special! Python and smith
I've been using Berry's 158 grain flat point bullets for years in my 357 and 38 revolvers. Never a single problem after thousands of rounds reloaded. I reload 9mm, 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, and 30-30 Winchester using Berry's. The 30-30 being a 1966 Winchester model 94 with light loads. They shoot perfect every time...
I’ve started casting my own 158 gr. Bullets using a 6 cavity Lee mold. I mix that up with WST powder and the results are really good. The main investment when it comes to casting your own bullets is EXTRA TIME, something that we reloaders are very much aware of. I also powder coat the bullets which is another few hours of the day. However, when it’s all said and done, I’m shooting 38 spc for pennies.
Big fan of Berry's, I use 125 gr in my 38 and 220gr in 300bo very cost effective. Good video!
Great video and great information
Hello guy , glad to share your info
Thanks!
*I live in Alaska and I need Bear protection but I only own is a .38 special. I cut the case down and load with the full powder charge of a .357 round and use fully jacketed bullets so they don't get stuck in the barrel (The need for FMJ ammo in the first place, hotter rounds). I end up with a short .357 round that is hot enough to kill a Bear shot through a 38 special pistol frame. I get 1850 FPS shooting A 158 grain bullet. It ain't right but after 400 rounds it still works and I still have my hand. As a man in Alaska, your going to want to keep your hand since it's the only sex your ever going to get in the land of "Sausage"!*
Yikes. Just no.
Great presentation, Guy....good job! I've used Berry's in those calibers in the past with decent results. Still use a few of em today as well, but for my target loads these days, I mostly "roll my own". I cast and powder coat em.
Berry's have been my go-to ever since I started reloading. For plinking loads through my Marlin. Been using the LEE hand press for a while. Just stared with the LEE 4 hole classic turret press.
I like berry’s bullets. I usually cast a Lee 358-125-rf and a Lee 358-158-rf for 38/357. My favorite with these bullets is the 125gr I’m 357 with CFE powder.
I'll try those soon. I primarily load load my own pure lead cast and checked, 158gn SWC over a hot H110 charge. Soft pure lead is scary in ballistic gel. And my Lord the fireball that H110 load throws from a snubnose revolver.
Kicks hard too ; )
And no, I don't mind a bit more cleaning of fouling.
I really like the coated bullets either powder coat or High Tech. I do both coatings myself or buy then cast and coated already since they are getting a lot more selection.
I've been using Berry's 158s for over 10 years for my .38 and .357 mag loads. Never had any issues. I was surprised to hear of the 1500 limit though! I chronograph 1400 to 1500 out of a GP100 - 6-inch with the recipe I use for .357 mag - thanks for the info!
I have some 125 grain flat point, they recommend keeping velocity 1200 fps or under !
I like the 125gr FP for small game in the 38SPL and the 158gr RN in 38 Short Colt for USPSA in my SW627. I've also shot some pretty good scores at the 200yd line in High Power matches with the 55gr FMJ.
Thanks, Guy 😁
I have a few boxes of Berry's bullet's. Primary ones are 125gr projectiles for 38special and 95gr ones for 9mm Mak.
I’d be interested in seeing you do some load development and see what you can improve the says and accuracy to.
I’ve used both the Berrys 158 (regular, non-TP) and 125 for 38spl plinking. I’ve used Bullseye, Win 231, and HP38 as propellant. The loads are nothing to write home about, but work great as cheap plinkers.
How much 231 you putting under each? I'm gonna load both 158 and 125 with 231 and need data. Thank you.
I use Berry's 158 gr RN in my blackhawk
I also have the 124gr HPFN too.
I'm using Hodgdon Universal
And I even made up some Pyrodex BP with the 158gr to test out.
So I'm looking forward to the next range day
I switched from hard lead to Berry's plated in all of my pistol loads. I have ALWAYS wanted to avoid lead fouling. The hard lead was clean (not leaving any lead fouling) but getting hard to find. Berry's provides a good value for a clean bullet for practice, target and competition. Very consistent.
I use LOS FP 158gr copper plated bullets with 5,2gr Vihtavuori N340 .38 Special loads. It shoots excellent groups on paper with my 4" Ruger and Smith & Wesson
Great video, would like to see more of budget loads maybe .44 mag. You can feel the difference in the thick vs regular Berrys.
Thanks again.
I'll have to look at Berry's for my handgun target needs. I've concentrated so much on long range the past couple years that I've let handgun training slip a lot. Recently I loaded up some 44 mag and 357 mag using VV N110. It's listed for 357, 44 and 350 legend. Figured maybe, just maybe, I might be able to cover three cartridges with one powder. We'll see how the ladder tests go.
I've used Berry's 158gr. HP & 125gr. FP w/ Bullseye @ sub 800fps in either 38 or 357 brass. You can plink all day long, out to 75 yards w/ great accuracy w/ a revolver or lever rifle.
I think some Berry's Bullets would make for an excellent gift for the reloaders among us. My personal favorite load for .38 Special is a Lee 148gn Lead Wadcutter, cast with a BHN of around 13 or so, with 4.2gn of Win231 or HP-38. Just the right amount of recoil and a ton of fun in double action.
Sure, the Wadcutter may be an antiquated design, but the generous crimp groove, easy to cast shape, and clean look of the finished product has made them a favorite of mine!
A mild 148 grain wadcutter load taught me what kind of accuracy a revolver is capable of. Meaning... those puppies can shoot! :)
@@guyminer2384 With just about the entire projectile clamping into the rifling you’d be astounded what kind of accuracy you’ll get out of them!
YES, I love getting reloading supplies as gifts. My family checks my reloading bench often to see what I am using.
I cast my own lead alloy bullets for both practice and hunting. They’re more economical and good game killers as well. I get minimal lead fouling by using the correct alloy for velocity. Most of my shooting is outdoors, so I don’t worry about lead exposure.
Thanks for taking the time to put this out? What do you think of Lil gun for 158 gr berry's 357? Run them on my snubby and like them alot.
I’m using the same bullet haven’t loaded any yet plan I have Dillon 550 C and I’m using the Redding carbide dies but it came with a taper crimp die and not a roll crimp die so I ordered the lee factory roll crimp die and case gauge good video thanks for sharing
I'm an accura outdoors plated bullet fan - but the rest is spot on
I use everything from casting my own lead bullets, Barry's and pulled fmj bullets with 2400 powder with great results
I do shoot the Berry's bullets, usually get them on sale and they are a great alternative in my J frames or Taurus 856 defender in the 125gr weight. Mostly I cast my own with a Lee 125 and 158gr RNFP and powder coat them. 700x gets the nod in 38 Special because of the short barrels and CFE Pistol (almost a universal powder) loads the 357's in my GP100 and 20" Rossi M92 lever gun. Of note is the fact that I have pushed my powder coated lead 357 125's to almost 1900fps in the Rossi to test the leading of the powder coated rounds and found none. Just a couple passes with a brush and a patch out with some Hoppe's and your all done.
Got some 44 cals, all 3 variants, during black friday. Should be loading them up next weekend
Nice!!!
I use Barry's 115 gr. in my 9mm. I like the cost and the bullets very much.
Your doing a good job bud
Just recently bought a 2019 Colt KC Target model revolver. I've been using 124 grain Berry's FN, 356 diameter bullets and CFE pistol powder to develop .38+P loads. My Python gets the call, when I need to go .357 Heavy.
Bought them for a Taurus G3x 9mm. It will not feed them reliably for some reason, but it wolfs down the same bullet in round nose, without so much as a hiccup...go figure.
So far, so good. A firm taper setting on the case mouth when seating the bullet, provides ample neck tension to prevent the possibility of crimp jump. Keeps them in place until each chamber in the cylinder is fired.
The accuracy isn't benchrest or competition worthy, however they will clang steel out to about forty/fifty yards or so; which is good enough for me. I'm also convinced that carried in my shoulder holster rig, they will drop or at least dissuade any potential predators of both the four and two legged variety.
Great presentation. Guy is a fine addition to the group. I would try different powders and charges in the 357 to try for a bit more velicity, since the bullet is rated to 1500, and factoey 158's are usually rated at 1250. Great oractice ammo, and the 38 is oarticularly economical at around 1300 rounds per pound of powder. Just the thing for my 4"686, 6" M28, or my old 38-44. Not out of line in my K frame 38's either.
I was looking at $400 for five pounds of powder, $13 for 100 primers the other day, at those prices the idea of saving money on reloading goes out the window, its now certifiably insane.
Glad I was stocked up 10 years ago.
Use the same Berry’s 158 gr in my lever guns as well as Meister 158 hard cast lead fp.
I have loaded quite a few thousand plated bullets. It has been Berry's & Ranier. 9, 40, 38/357 & 44. It has been a little more of the Ranier than Berry's but not by much. They work for plinking for sure. But we use to buy & shoot Hard Cast bullets out of 44 magnum revolvers by the thousands. Leading is annoying but we just worked at cleaning. Cast bullets in the 80s & 90s in big bulk buys was much cheaper than everything else. But when I started reloading seriously for 9mm & 40 in early 2000s these plated bullets got my attention and weren't much more expensive than hard cast. I am just a bit more comfortable with them in an autoloader. Berry's has a decent looking HP I loaded for 9mm. Not terribly reliable in expansion with my crude range tests. I would be curious if you have tested them in gel. Good vid. Thanks.
Since Ranier quit making platted bullets I’ve been using Berrys and xtream plated bullets.
Nice
I’ve used a lot of the Berry’s 30 carbine bullets. I’ll definitely grab some 357s.
Another really good video. I shoot some mild loads with Berrys bullets in my Marlin 1894c. I will have to look into those thick plated 158's, usually I load the expensive ones for the full house loads. Nothing brings a 357 alive like some W296 and a rifle. I get 2200fps with 21.0 of 296 with a 125 JHP and 1750fps with 15.5 of 296 under a 158 JSP. Correction, I have 16.0 under my 158's. Most of my stuff is loaded with 18.0 for 125 JHP and 15.5 with the 158's. Note sure off the top of my head but I use Unique with the Berrys plated 125's......I wanna say 6.3 grains but I don't have my book in front of me.
Yee Haw! The 357 from a rifle is pretty doggone cool. :)
I have the same issues in a SW 656,marlin 94, Colt OMM and, Rossi 92 with Berrys using cfe. I switched to hs6 which is similiar in burn rate. Smaller ES and SD. The only thing I have found that cfe works well in is 44 special under 200 g frontier. Once I finish that pound I won’t buy another unless I just have to scrounge for components.
A Video with just guy? I like it!
I got the same bullet and I’m looking for a load to hand load I’m using H 110 with the Berry’s 158 gr I got to get my dies I’m going to use Dillon 550C with Redding progress press dies going to use Hornady load data. Nice video thanks for sharing
Yes I use Barry’s but not for 357 I have a few thousand of the 55gr fmj. Not a bad little plinker for the AR I’m achieving sub MOA at 100 yards with em. As for the the 357 revolvers I do cast and powder coat my own.
Try the .38 and .357 mag on gel to see velocity/ penetration difference if ya haven't done so already
I use hard cast 158 gr lead loaded with HP38 about a medium load 4-5 gr. works well with hardly any fouling
I've been using Berry's and X-Treme plated bullets in 38/357 for years. Economical shooting using Green Dot or Unique powders.
Nice. I use 158gr LSWC powder coated on top of 16.2gr H110. Gives me a average 1330fps out of a Python 6 inch with no fouling. Found it to be the cheapest, cleanest shooting.
Enjoyed this video. I wanted to make a note about velocities of 38 and 357 in the 20" bbl as opposed to a 16" bbl. The 38 when tested in the shorter 16" bbl pushed a faster velocity as opposed to the 20". The 357 benefits in velocity from the longer 20" bbl. 38 showed a drop in velocity with the longer 20" bbl.
It really depends on the powder you use. Faster-burning powders don't need all 20" to keep building speed. The slower powders benefit from longer barrels, regardless of case length and pressure. Bullet weight is also a factor. Heavier bullets require less barrel to reach to velocity.
B B 158 gn FMJ TC 6.8 BE for my 22 inch barrel single shot break action RIFLE with scope 3x9x40.
From the bench, 100 yards consistant 2" , 3 shot groups.
My hunting Round, 158gn HCLSWC Bullet on top of 13gn of L G This is a RIFLE loading, NOT for Revolver.
Over the past 3 years I've taken 2 deer, 60 - 70 yards and one Feral Boar Hog at 30 yards. All one shot, all just flopped over, not one step taken.
Versatility is what the 357 magnum has going for it. 110-125 gn JHP for Self Defence, the heavy bullets for hunting and putting food on the table.
Having a Revolver and a Rifle that uses the same ammo is a really big plus. I handload for each Revolver and Rifle. Different pressures different loadings.
Being able to use ALL the 38sp ammo is a Plus.
Handloading for the 357 opens a whole new chapter for the 357.
Just to be safe follow the Loading Manuel's.
C U @ the range.
Their target hollow points and double ended wadcutters have worked well for me in bullseye target.
Nice to know!
Dropping the 357 Magnum load to Hodgdons recommeneded H110 MINIMUM of 15.0gr should easily move velocity to less than Berrys recommended MAXIMUM of 1500 through the carbine. Probably will also drop your other numbers as well? Since these were to be practice loads to begin with it shouldn't seem to be too much of a penalty...? P.S. Their excellent 240gr bullet for 44 caliber also has a higher velocity rating, and I use Berrys 124gr .355" HBRN-TP & HBFP-TP for both 9mm and 357SIG for that same extra velocity capability as well.
Rmr bullets has some great options a for excellent money as well. I have used the jhp 115 “nuke” with tite group and cfe pistol for 9mm and the 69 Gen 3 224 bullet for 5.56/223 general purpose loads. They shoot really well. I don’t really make plinking loads anymore because of mainly primer cost now. I have found just about everything I need is back down or close to reality aside from primer cost. They’re still 4-6x in cost so for me I can’t justify wasting one on a load that isn’t as good as it can be. I am still tuning that 69 for my rifle with ball powders. I tried it with 8208, varget, and 3031 with great accuracy. Really good. Data is basically the same as a smk for me. My rifle has a shorter barrel so load work up is always a thing for me to get the best that I can. Or at least try. But the bullets are only like 3-5 cents more than Hornady 55 fmjs so I do enjoy them. Anywho. God bless. Good luck out there. Hopefully expansion industries comes through and maybe we I’ll get lucky and the great Hornady will find a way to make primers for them and us. That would be amazing. Oh the ball powders I have for the rmr 69 I am working with are aa2230 h335 cfe223. I’d love to score some tac varmit and pp2000 as well to try.
I understand, and do a lot of my informal "plinking" with 22 rimfire rifles & handguns. Then build more serious target & hunting ammo for the centerfires. The limited primer supply is troubling.
I haven’t been loading .357/.38 long so my component selection is still influenced by scarcity. I ended up with 125 and 158 gr Berry’s FP standard thickness. Max charge of AA7 in .357 is supposed to put me right around the 1250 max fps. The .38+p max for AA5 and 125gr is supposed to put me around 1180 fps. Haven’t chronographed them but no signs of jacket separation.
I use Berry’s also.
5gr CFE Pistol in 38
7gr CFE Pistol in 357
Same loads for Hornady JHP
What kind of a crimp on 357?
I’ve had those wide velocity spreads with H110, especially on the low to mid range velocities. It really prefers to be close to max which is too much for these bullets. In my testing I’ve found that VV N110 downloads a little more consistently and is what I use when loading with jacketed. When I load Berry’s Accurate No.9 performs the best/most consistent. Good luck!
Accurate No. 9 is a mighty fine powder!
357 h110 12.8gr wspm
Notes: Redhawk berry 158 flat point
Shots: 10
Average: 1202 ft/s
SD: 28 ft/s
Min: 1148 ft/s
Max: 1256 ft/s
Spread: 108 ft/s
Power Factor Average: 189
Power Factor Low: 181
Power Factor High: 198
Barometric Pressure: 30.3 in Hg
Temperature: 22F
Weight: 158 gr
These were with a 7 1/2 in redhawk six shot stainless. KRH 35
I also have used 115Berrys round nose for 9mm. Also just picked up 230 grain Berrys round nose for 45ACP haven’t loaded yet.
I use Barry's Bullets for target loads in everything -- 9mm, 45 ACP, 38 and 44 Special, .357 and 44 Mag and 45 Colt. I use jacketed bullets for hotter loads, but I run a thousand of Barry's Bullets for every 100 Hornady XTP I shoot.
I use Berry’s 115gr 9mm bullets and have no complaints.
I cast my own 45 200 swc. .357 158swc and I've tried 9mm but I have a hard time getting them over 1000fps without leading they like to be around 800 and so I keep berry's around for that.
Should one look to cast bullet data or jacketed bullet data when using published reloading manuals to find a starting point in working up loads for Berry’s bullets?
That is,do these plated bullets behave more like plain lead bullets, more like jacketed bullets, or somewhere in between?
You can actually load the 1,200 fps versions to 1,300 fps (or even a bit more) and there isn’t any issues. Done it for years.
Also, weighing a bunch of bullets on my laboratory balance, they are very consistent, particularly for the price.
Thank you for this video. Whats your opinion on cast polymer coated bullets hope you can do a vid on them and go into more detail. Thanks.
Personally I like them, but we haven't done a video on them yet. Someday. :)
@Guy Miner thanks Guy . I just got my first revolver evr, cant believe it took me so long to figure out how much fun they are lol. So i started reloading 357/38 so now im looking for every bullets and load data out there.thanks for all you guys do to put all the content out for us.
I use a ton of berrys for pistol loads but they arent my favorite if i was going to load rifle loads for .357, most have a 1250 fps limit which is easily exceeded with a rifle
I've used hard cast for 357 and 44mag but want to stay with XTP 140gr and FTX 225
I cast my own, NOE 360-152 SWC .357 or NOE 358-159 RN .38 special, excellent bullets can be pushed to magnum or plus P with absolutely no leading after couple hundred rounds. Size .358 for .38 .357 for magnum, with Lino type metal, out of a new 4.25” colt python, excellent accuracy, repeatable groups
Regarding velocity testing of 38 spl compared to 9mm. I've tried a few different powders in both with only OK results in the 38 spl. Problem is extreme spread variations. So I tried pointing the revolver up to shake the powder back to the primer and slowly ease it back down for the shot. I got very respectable results. Then I did similar tests bringing the revolver up from the low ready position for every shot. Extreme spread also much better. I assume this variation is primarily due to large case volume and the bouncing around of the powder of the other loads in the cylinder with each shot. My 9mm loads are very consistent but the case is nearly full. Everything for both calibers is coming in pretty close to book values. So, is there a powder for 38 spl that can provide more consistent velocity??
those bullets, that powder, that press...you been to my reloading room?
Ha! :) Good stuff isn't it?
Just so we're clear, ANY load that was an effective man stopper years ago, is still an effective man stopper. Bodies haven't changed.
Some load development in the future.
I use Berry bullets a lot....9 mm and 38 special...the 45 colt bullet really needs to be a tad larger in diameter...there is not enough neck tension to get a good reload.
I use H110 and Enforcer for powder hap bullets if possible XTP bullets have max velocity 1700 fps
I was loading lead bullets, I will not longer. I want to change to the Berry's .38/.357 158gr FP-TP bullets. I've been using Alliant Bullseye (which I still have) with the lead bullets. I have no other use for that powder. Can I use the Bullseye powder with the same charge, using Berry's plated bullets?
Who else thinks Guy could be the next JRB?
Excelente o vídeo , esse conteúdo sobre recargas faz com que eu assista todo o vídeo , também recarrego meus tiros aqui no Brasil , fazendo assim consigo melhor desempenho !
Fico feliz que você tenha gostado do vídeo. Os componentes de recarga estão prontamente disponíveis no Brasil? Sorry, relying on the computer for translation.
@@guyminer2384 sim temos os componentes de recarga no Brasil , porém de fabricantes nacionais , estamos em falta de pólvora ,,, pode acontecer de um lojista importar componentes de recarga usados aí por vocês ! atualmente recarrego 38spl 357mag 9x19 , 12GA e 308win ,
Esse canal e um dos melhores do TH-cam certamente!
@@jrmalbec2 Obrigado
I just got some 180gn FP for my 10mm. Well see how they do!!!
powder coated hard cast 158's!
I noticed VV has load data using berrys bullets
It's like 80 years.
All of these reloading videos are awesome. The only problem is I can’t get primers so watching them seems like a waste of time.
Primers... Yes, they're difficult to obtain these days! The good news is that a new primer building facility is being built here in the USA. Might take quite a while, but that should help the situation.
Great video, but you didn't address crimping with these bullets
Berry’s Thick Plated = Rainier Standard billets. I wish Rainier would come back.
I use your 240 gr .44 bullets on my model 69 (heavy special loads, and light magnums). I definitely have to give it a healthy crimp due to recoil. how do you know if you're crimping too hard? I'm pretty sure I've never shed a jacket, so i think I'm good?
Berry's warns that too much crimp can break through the plating, exposing the lead beneath. If that happens you should see excess leading in your barrel and probably inaccuracy on the target.