Don't let those numbers affect your better judgment. Those are plinking rounds. Nothing more. Unless, of course, they are all that you have to defend yourself or others with. They are not very accurate. Nor, do they perform as well as a dedicated defensive round when speaking terminal ballistics.
what are you on about, in nearly every damm comparison paul does the G/W box is just as accurate and often has just as or nearly as good expansion as the hyper ammo.
@@PriVateJoe7 The tactitards enjoy spending 25 dollars on 20 rounds instead of 50.... Its their money to piss away.... I've shot 9BPLE, Buffalo Bore, +P bonded sabers, +P HSTs.... Remington green and white box does the same thing, has the same expansion or close to it, and is literally HALF the price.... People call FMJ plinking rounds, yet neglect to acknowledge those plinking rounds have killed millions of people at war the last 100+ years....
Re-watching Nov 2024. Something about the beautiful scenery, Paul’s engaging presentation, and the knowledge of his passing, made me tear up a bit. Miss you Paul.
Outstanding!! This is the first video from Paul Harrell I've seen. As a former US Army Ranger/ Combat Veteran , I was extremely surprised with how much actual information less personal bias ( and TactiCool) there was. Paul is a very effective speaker, well balanced conversation from a practical approach. I will definitely recommend his videos to others.
This is why I appreciate your videos, no BS. I'm an old dude and like my revolvers. One well aimed shot with a 357 mag or a 357 sig is absolutely effective. That said, I am more comfortable with a revolver and I shoot better. Carry the gun you shoot the best.
I am a middle aged gun guy, a fan boy of almost every gun maker. And I spend A LOT every month on guns/ammunition. I own sigs, hks, colts, 1911s, kimbers, MAGNUMS, compacts dozens of handguns... my wife took a LONG time to like anything other than revolvers (cowboy guns). But, out if DOZENS of hand guns, the one that she had thr FASTEST point and shoot, and MOST accurate.... Browning high power. Old, 1970s high power... She likes how light the Hk usp is. she has a sig p229 in her dresser drawer (under the toys). But, on road trips, she opens the safe grabs her high power for the "door" gun. And she grabs the benelli m4 for the trunk gun. (A kimber micro 9 LIVES) in the "get home bag" in her trunk. But, she has TRUST in the Browning.
My dad was a Vietnam Marine and lifelong police officer. He passed on his lifelong love of 357 magnum, and also passed on his old police 357 revolvers to me. They're my favorite guns to shoot, and to carry.
Ray Paget,,,, I totally agree. Seems to be a common theme with many of the gun review channels,, so many have a beard, mustache, tattoos, and some sort of tactical or military clothing.
You guys complaining about the stupidity of gun channels ought to try Forgotten Weapons. The host is so well-read and civilized it's gonna blow your mind xD
@Da Sheat 17 rounds of +p 9mm Fort Scotts 80 gr TUI (shoots through two bullet proof vest stacked together, a 3a+ and a 2a, Paul Harrell himself did it from a pistol, and several other channels shot through at least one 3a+) or 147 grain +p HST’s
I am blown away by the thoroughness and thoughtful consideration of all relevant factors concerning the subject matter. Unsullied by bombastic proclamations and flashiness. This is what serious viewers want and need even if they don’t know it yet. Don’t change a thing that will compromise these strengths. As one of my professors once said, “Everybody’s trying to be different around here. You want to be really different..., do things right!”
Indeed ... a lot of content !! Very thorough. Just bought a Taurus RT 605 2" (yes! 2") revolver, 5 .357 mag shots, as backup gun ... and this video is a nice complement to my informed training
.357 Sig is a really neat cartridge, but it can be challenging to handload. My only brown-pants moment shooting my reloads was with a .357 Sig bullet that went more than 1,600 FPS over the chronograph. The sound and recoil told me something seriously bad had happened even before I looked at the velocity. I put the gun down instantly and waited for my heart rate to regulate itself. I had overlooked a potentially dangerous step in my process that had worked just fine for several straight walled cartridges. The length of bullet shank inside the case neck is VERY short, and the powder is loaded right up to the bottom of the bullet.
@@chipsterb4946 Yep. That's why I use Blue Dot primarily... Blue dot likes to be compressed a little bit , so if you have bullet setback it's not as much a problem than if it was a different powder.
@@chipsterb4946 Yes I've seen AA No.7 mentioned a lot, along with No. 9. Right now I'm gonna experiment with Longshot for .147 grain bullets. I want to create a good deer load for this caliber.
I bet there is a parallel dimension where a man made of oranges and pork builds a meat target with human lungs to simulate oranges, a human pectoral pork chop and a human's ribcage to simulate pork ribs.
Did I miss the episode where he went from the "High Tech Fleece Bullet Stopper" to the "NEW AND IMPROVED High Tech Fleece Bullet Stopper?" Man, technology never sleeps...
Nope. he has a Security Six. That would be your GP100's "Dad." (Ruger no longer makes Security Six, although I think it's by far the best revolver I own.)
Probably the best reviewer on TH-cam. Nothing but substance. Only shoots the number of rounds needed to make a point, no small talk just useful information provided in an objective manner. Well done!
@@thatguy22441 - I'm in full agreement with the both o' yez. I chose .357 mag because I wanted a powerful anti-intruder handgun, in a revolver to eliminate shooter mistakes that might happen with a pistol, also, to encourage aiming during a firefight. I know about "point 'n' shoot" when there isn't time to aim, but if there is time to aim, I want to take the extra fraction of a second to aim. I used dbl action revolvers and cock the hammer before using, to slow the firing rate and put a round on the intended target area. I've never been in a gun fight, but I would imagine that I would be in a "fight or flight" mode, and I fear that I would be firing too quickly to aim if I used a pistol. I do a little practice at the gun range of using the long pull of the double action, finding that I will have to aim low and to the left, to hit center torso.
@@mu99ins My advice is train, train, and train some more. Train until proper target acquisition becomes reflexive, until you can't fire without instinctively getting a proper sight picture. It's said that your "training takes over" and it's true. Practice on it long enough and you'll do it without even thinking about it.
This is still one of Paul's top 12 (or 15 since there are so many Harrell YT videos) produced. Consider that he covered two rather comparable cartridges, two different platforms (Auto vs. Revolver), respective effectiveness of either round, touched on statistical issues, actual incidents and emphasized that the viewer is to be the judge when selecting a gun/cartridge combination ALL in under 20 minutes of run time. In the past, I've encountered university professors incapable of making so many relevant points on a subject within 2 hours. That's a big reason I keep coming back to Mr. Harrell's previous presentations.
I started a 30 + year career in 1974 carrying a 357 magnum. It worked well in those incidents I needed it. In the mid 80’s we did switch to semi autos. Yes they held a whole lot more rounds, but I never felt outgunned or under gunned with my revolver. I still love and shoot them.
In clinical work, we differentiate between "statistically significant difference" and "clinically significant difference." Like, the patient is attempting suicide 2 times per week, down from 5 per week. It's statistically significant, but clinically insignificant. Paul, every time you've said, "significant" or "significant difference" your meaning has been sparklingly clear by your context.
That's a very interesting question, and it helps draw out another factor. The example I gave is a famous one in academia, and I have never heard it in a clinical setting. So, we also have the differences (pun intended, I suppose) between what academics say and think, and what those closer to real-world say and think.
+gnpahdc. It would be more realistic to pick an example from the world of endocrinology. Serum tests provide a multitude of cases where the count can vary, say, between 0 and 100, yet a threshold of 5 or 10 is considered normal, i.e. clinically significant.
I absolutely love the way Paul does his tests, without any personal bias or criticism he simply educates you on the pros and cons of things without telling his personal opinion on the matter. Very professional and to the point.
Dylan Thomas I somewhat disagree, he definitely gives his options, however, he tries to make sure we understand that they are JUST opinions, he doesn’t present any info as if what he says is 100% the way it is...
There are many gun channels. Some are fun. Some are informative. Some are for the advanced shooter. Some are for the beginner. I like them all. Paul's is the one channel I keep coming back to. I shot Rifle and Shotgun as a kid. I was a beginner 5 years ago on hand guns. Paul Harrell's videos have something for every level of gun enthusiast.
I have noticed after reading the comments here that most all can write correctly in English. It shows the quality of those who watch your videos over others. You and your videos are just that, the best!
Does anyone remember the 1990s when NBC had Thursday night “Must See TV” with Seinfeld and other shows? Now Thursdays are TH-cam “Must Watch Videos” with Paul Harrell. As always, great video!
I really appreciate this guy going to the range in the middle of winter and freezing his balls off to answer the questions I've never asked. Top notch quality content 👌
My understanding of 357 sig is it was actually designed to be a autoloading cartridge with comparable power to 357 Magnum I would say that that was a success
I'm thinking about getting a conversion barrel for my .40 to shoot this. I can go with 10mm and 357sig with just a barrel swap. Which would you convert to in a glock 27?
Comparable in one area only though, self defense . It was designed to emulate the 357 mag with 125gr bullet from a 4” barrel. What is considered the gold standard for self defense loads. And it gets pretty close in that regard. But the mag is a much more versatile round , capable of many bullet weights and velocity’s for everything from self defense to hunting deer. Stepping up to a 10mm will get more of an auto 357 mag result ballistically, though the fan boys like to think it’s way more , it really not. It’s very similar to heavier, hotter mag loads. Much more so than the sig.
@@megastick9324 what about 9x25 Dillon with 180gr hard cast? I'm sure the "sectional density" might be a little crazy but it pushes it pretty quickly. I shoot 10mm "short" lol but was curious about this round
@@anthonysmith3132 ive never owned one. I have two buddies that reload and they’re really into them. I’m sure it’s a great round, 9mm mag so to speak. But I don’t reload so I stay away from a lot of great cartridges because they aren’t readily available .
@@megastick9324 yea I hear you. I'd love to experiment with 40 super 400 corbon etc. I forget you're original post so if you've already said it sorry but what's your preferred self defense cartridge?
We all can appreciate the quality of information this gentleman provides his viewers. His very intelligent in-depth analysis make this channel one of the best top 5 firearms channels on YT.
Another SIGNIFICANT addition to the firearms reference canon. Informative and concise without being dry and entertaining without any fluff. Again, well done, Sir. Thank you. On the topic of capacity, yes, revolvers are truly adequate in probably 95% of all defensive shootings (unless the round is ineffective), but that added capacity, for most people, myself included, can contribute greatly to the shooter's confidence. You can never have too much ammunition. Unless, of course, you're on fire.
Thanks for the comparison, Paul. I'm still a .357 magnum fan. My first handgun was the Colt Trooper with a 6" barrel, 6 rounds per cylinder purchased in 1964 for use in combat. My current one is a 4", 7 round .357. I have a couple of speed loaders or I can carry a compact semi-auto.
My wife wanted me to help her bake cookies for her Christmas party at work. I saw this video pop up and was like "Can't help ya, Paul just uploaded a vid." I'm in the dog house but I don't care!
While Paul isn't the largest gun channel I'm subscribed to, he is the only one who gets 5,180 views and 1,113 thumbs up in the first two hours after uploading. Outstanding channel with great content.
Thank you, Paul, for another great informative video. I had the opportunity to see the damage to an A-pillar caused by a .357 Sig versus a 9x19 and the .45 ACP during range qualification at my former agency, it was very impressive, and all good as long as the agency was buying the ammo, not so much when it came to me buying it, my 45 ACP worked just fine.
Just discovered Paul's videos a few weeks ago and really know he is top notch and knows what he's talking about. After I retired from my "real" job, I worked part time at a gun range. Did RSO on the range, was a certified NRA pistol instructor and trained new shooters, etc. One slow Sunday we found an random box of open ammo and a ton of it was .357 Sig. There was about 1000 rounds and four of us, so we ran a bunch of drills and shot 250 rounds apiece in a couple of hours through the range Glock. I'm pretty recoil insensitive, but was never so happy to see the end of that ammo. My wrists, shoulders and elbows were way sore. I'm not a Glock fan, but will say, we shot the hell out of that gun and it never bobbled. Thanks for the very high quality vids you do.
I got a conspiracy theory about this very thing. I think he does the real chrono shots earlier off camera and remembers the numbers he got so he can make that scene in the video look better
@@rhinovirus2225 he actually addressed this in a more recent video, the numbers are an inch tall and high contrast, which is legible at 7 yards. I would've believed you though lol
Barrel conversions for caliber and barrel length are also a potential semi advantage. Where the wheel gun may shoot .38s the 357 Sig can be shooting 9s, and even suppressed, if desired. Perhaps add a light or a quick reset trigger and the semi really out shines in the modularity comparison.
You continue to be one of the finest instructors on Common Sense Firearms knowledge and use anywhere, not just on TH-cam! Thank you for your time, your effort, and your expertise, and presenting valuable knowledge that can help save lives, and save budgets too! Long live the Meat Target!
I`d only add that another pro for the .357 Magnum is the ability to have your sidearm in the same caliber as your carbine, with the availability of lever actions in that caliber.
No doubt - Paul Harrell's gun/ammo videos are the best on youtube. Very detailed, but not boring or monotone like so many others. And importantly, as with this video, he wraps it up with stating that when push comes to shove, when comparing ammo, it still always comes down to what works best for the individual who is shooting.
I just discovered this channel. I am an avid reloader and love content like this. Paul, you nailed these videos with a scientific outlook that tries to compare apples as closely to apples. Most guys are all over the place with ammo and caliber comparisons. Well done brother. Thank you.
I never realized for thr .357 sig. I have a sig p229 in.40 (and I bought thr sig 357 sig barrel) tomorrow I am picking up a HK USP in .40 (going to get a 357 sig barrel for it as well). Any advise on bullets to run? -- I have a butt load of 115 grain from Xtreme bullets.. (can the copper washed 115 grain 9mm take thr pressure of thr sig)? Thanks John
Like the .357 Sig cartridge, so your thorough comparisons, especially the chronograph ( laser ? ) gadget you use to get your average muzzle velocities have convinced me to buy a pistol that is built around this great necked down cartridge. And that pistol must be a Sig Sauer, of course!
I'm always impressed with the quality and content of your videos on any subject related to firearms use. Easily the most informative TH-cam channel on safe and effective firearms selection and use. It so happens I own a H&K USP Compact chambered in .357 SIG. I love shooting it for a variety of reasons, not least of which is it (1) ergonomically fits my hands better than any other pistol I've ever fired, (2) can be shot either in double action or single action, (3) and has a de-cocker and a manual safety. That said, your comments on the availability and price of .357 SIG ammo are very true. I find buying such ammo is generally a huge hassle. Most gun stores don't carry .357 SIG at all or only carry one brand, often a cheap and poorly designed round. Quality .357 SIG ammo costs A LOT more than you'd spend on other calibers. That higher ammo cost really strikes home if you shoot the volume of ammo needed to train properly. So the H&K gets little training time and I spend far more time training with my Colt Government Model .45 ACP. I shoot better with the latter pistol but that's solely because I train with it far more frequently than with the H&K USP Compact. Please continue your good work and professional presentations. Semper Fi!!
Information coming from an old school Texas Highway Patrolman, .357 Magnum with 125 gr jhp kills like lighting. And anytime someone comes up with a new defensive round they automatically compare it to the .357 Magnum with 125 jhp bullets. That's why Sig came up with the .357 Sig for auto loading pistols and most defense ammo is 125 gr. Most Texas Highway Patrolman carry this combination and that is why I carry this combination.
I will try to add to the conversation something useful that I know. That is when you're talking about Auto loaders, on many makes and models of pistols it is possible to purchase different barrels, to allow you to shoot other calibers. For example. I Carry a Smith & Wesson m&p full size pistol, I purchased it on caliber 40 Smith & Wesson, that's the caliber it came on at the price point I could afford at the time, it was a police trade in. because at the time 40 Smith & Wesson was a bit expensive for me, I decided to purchase a 9mm barrel and 2 magazines. The amount of money that the 9mm conversion saved me per round of training ammo made it basically pay for itself. Sometime after I grew confident enough on my shooting, that I wanted to hunt small to medium size game with my pistol, and I also heard of 357sig and it's greater speed and relatively flat trajectory inside of 50 yards, and I knew the original .40s&w magazines that originally came with my pistol were fully compatible with 357sig cartridges. So I went and purchased a 357 barrel. Now I carry 357sig for home defense and personal protection, and I train with 9mm when I go to the range. I believe this method could be used on the same breath of the 357 Magnum switching calibers to save on ammo. Yes you have to purchase extra hardware to do that, but in my experience it has been well worth it, because now I can shoot 3 calibers on the same handgun, and in most recent times where ammo went all but extinct on the shelves, being able to switch calibers was very very useful..
I carry a 10mm with 15 rounds. Hard Cast. I also carry bear spray and will use that first. Use bear spray past 50 ft cause their sense of smell is 300 x better than a bloodhounds. (That is what I was told in bear spray class and check the wind)
Concerning reliability between revolvers and semi autos I used to believe that mechanically that revolvers were much more reliable than autos but recent revolver purchases have shattered my illusion of that. Two of my 357s have failed me quite frequently and have had to been sent back to the manufacturer for repairs. I’m 50 and I’ve never had this problem before. One of them was an expensive “Performance Center” 357 that went back twice. On the other hand I have one auto that I’ve owned for 10 years and has never failed me, ever.
Not only that, when a revolver goes down it's mostly done for good and needs to be repaired. But when an autoloader fails it's usually just a second or two remediation and it's back in the fight.
I had a brand shiny new S&W N frame that had cylinder drag when fired more than 12 rounds. Ended up getting a gunsmith friend true up the cylinder locally and turn the barrel in one turn. Didn't want to wait for A&W to fix it. So yes, revolvers can have problems too.
You have pointed out the real problem with the modern Smith & Wesson vs the old Smith & Wesson. The modern S&W values company profits above all else while the old S&W valued quality above all else. Hence, the older Smiths are far and away better in every way. My favorite Smith is an older 686 that has the most wonderful double action trigger I have ever used. My newer Smith is a 649 pro that has a horrible double action that feels like it is 15 pounds. I only have it because my brother wanted to trade for an auto I had.
I love semi-autos but I grew up on revolvers and have always enjoyed shooting them more than semi-autos because, for me, ammunition tends to last longer on the range with revolvers. I've always had a .357 Magnum revolver and carried one for many years on the job. I retired by the time they switched to semi-autos but today the world is a very different place. Law enforcement officers nowadays only carry semi-autos, many of which carry THREE spare mags. In my day we had a 6-shot revolver with 2 speedloaders totalling a mere 18 rounds.
Thanks for another .357 mag video. They always make me want to keep my snubbose wheelgun. I'm using 125 grain hornady hollow points and now know I'll keep using that grain. I was impressed with your meat targets. Looks like they will do fine.
*_Yeah, but you can't get that in the Remington Green And White Box._* [Sorry. I thought Paul was short on "yeah, buts."] I think I am going to try some Barnes TAC-XPD when I know I get some range time. I have the Hornady for the 9mm.
Ellison Rodgers oh, I do use my .357 mag. for ccw. It's easy for me to conceal, virtually no print. I've recently changed my ammo to 125 grain hp, and was wondering about the characteristics of the round. Paul's vid. Showed me what I wanted to know. I think 125 grain will be fine for ccw, and maybe bump back up to 158 grain sp for when I'm fly fishing in bear country. It's hard to find many load choices in my area. Your right my younger buddies all carry the latest autos. So I get teased alot. Guess I'm old school.
I have to admit I was impressed with how much the sig rocked that meat target. I didn't think it would have been that close to the magnum. Great, well thought out video. Thank you Mr. Harrell.
Same here. Everything I have looked at data wise puts the 357 sig quite a ways behind the 357 mag, although still quite capable. Very impressed with the similar velocities.
@@FamineWolf properly maintained, the 1911 is as reliable (or more so) as any other weapon at any price and even the cheap ones have some of the best triggers in the industry, completely the opposite of Gaston's "perfect" autoloaders (or any other striker-fired crap, for that matter). Why would anyone settle for a weapon that has a trigger that feels like it's packed with broken glass?
Thank You for the comparisons. Personally I shoot the Ruger GP 100 match champion with 38 special rounds. There are many loads and bullet weights available in the 38/357 mag corner but the key (for me) is practicing often. The cost of practice is less expensive using 38 special (except self defense rounds) instead of 357mag and much easier to find given todays shortages.
For training with 357 sig, you can typically find conversion barrels from 40/357 down to 9mm. That isn't ideal for "serious" purposes, but works well for practice and is certainly better than a .22 conversion.
Oh, and let me say a big "DITTO" to the commenter who suggested regular story time videos. That is a great idea. Stories/anecdotes and lessons learned from CCW, police situations, hunting situations, real gunfights, etc. "The Harrell Files". Kinda lime the Ayoob Files, but better☺. Thanks for listening
My Glock 33 in .357 Sig is one of my carry guns. I feel confident if ever needed it Will get the job done. Pray I don't. But....another great vid Paul ! tyvm
When you say " I could go on at length...." and then proceed, I always figure you should do just that in a separate video where those of us who care can view and appreciate it. Keep up the good work.
Another thoughtful and useful video, Paul. Well done. I am on the .357 Mag side of this in part because of the .38 Special flexibility, but mainly because of hunting capability. Neither is ideal for me for self defense, since I am not a cop. But for deer size game and below at closer ranges? The .357 Magnum in an accurate revolver is tough to beat. And with .38 Specials it is a great jackrabbit/coyote gun.
In defense of the .357 Sig though, all you need to do to convert it to say 9mm or .40 S&W is a simple barrel swap. While a .357 Magnum gun can do that as is out of the box, it's still not a bad investment. I too am on the side of .357 for the same reasons you listed. For personal defense however, there are plenty of good loads like the Remington 158gr SJHP, which is well proven out of a 4 inch barrel to not over penetrate and give excellent expansion and penetration well within safe parameters for collateral risks. Truly, the .357 Sig is not a bad round though... but it was originally intended for duty use, and in that capacity it's a fine caliber. I feel the .40 S&W while also being designed for the same roles is a bit more versatile like the .357 Magnum in terms of what it can be used for and is often much cheaper than the .357 Sig. Both .357 Sig and .40 S&W can be loaded up hot and limiting their defensive capabilities and pushing into hunting territory, but with standard loads or hot loads, the .40 S&W doesnt push those boundaries as hard. I feel the .357 Magnum is just more practical for a lot of people. Simple to understand, versatile, and effective for whatever you might need it for with either .38 Special or otherwise.
+Brian Schimdt The Medusa Revolver was capable of such a thing, however it is highly inaccurate using anything aside from .357 and .38 Special in most cases. Ian at Forgotten Weapons did a video on one, kinda revealed them to be an utter piece of crap novelty gun. But yes, a .357 cut for moon clips is definitely capable of quite the array of calibers that are effective however and it makes for one handy little package as a whole. Likewise, you can do this with .32 caliber revolvers like a .327 Federal Magnum or a .45 caliber revolver like a S&W .460 Magnum or a Taurus Raging Judge Magnum. I have a .327 and the Raging Judge cut for moon clips, the .327 is capable before conversion of firing .32 S&W Short/Long, .32 H&R Magnum, .327 Federal Magnum, and .32 ACP reliably. The .32 ACP bit is iffy with certain brands however. But when cut for moon clips, it can fire .32 NAA, .30 Luger, .30 Carbine, I've heard some say 7.62 Tokarev but have never tried nor want to as well as 7.63 Mauser. There's a wide variety of .32 caliber rounds I'm confident it could handle as well but I think the point is made. Likewise a .460 S&W Magnum can handle around 9 different calibers including the .460 S&W, probably more with all the .45 caliber wild cats out there, the Taurus can handle all the same rounds minus the .460 S&W Magnum of course. The reason I feel a .357 though would be better for most people is the fact that 9mm caliber rounds are far more common. However, I'd avoid using ultra hot ammo on the regular or even semi regularly. As when they get cut for the clips it does weaken the cylinder a little bit and hotter rounds dont get handled as well which could cause some safety issues if you're not careful. You start to see wear over time, but a good strong .357 from the get go should be just fine.
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Doby: Have to agree for the most part. BUT, load it with Hornady 38 special 110 grain Critical Defense rounds and you'll have a very capable self defense gun. Brian: having a gun that is capable of firing multiple calibers? Your best bet is an H&R single barrel shotgun in .410. Watch the videos from Iraqveteran8888. Basically if you can shove it in the chamber it would fire it. It's UNBELIEVABLE what they fired through it with absolutely no problem, up to and including 50 AE.. Granted most wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn but DAMN, it shot it.
+Dale Harper Ordinarily I'd agree on such matters, however their pressure levels are FAR within safe limitations of what the gun can handle in a .327 Federal Magnum gun like a Ruger SP101 or GP100 or even their Single Seven/Six line. While I personally have had no desire to test the Tokarev round, it doesnt generate more pressure than a .327 Federal Magnum and the gun would handle it I'm certain. I think the issue would be getting rounds to fit the chamber with some of these guns. Thing with .357 Magnum not chambering 9mm is because of different bullet diameters, this is where that Medusa Revolver solved it by how it was unique with it's cylinder. However, that is an expensive venture that no company really wants to make. So it's much simpler to just make a 9mm revolver. It really depends on the revolver though, some will be able to, others wont and most that will are typically extremely inaccurate using 9mm or anything like that.
I like your videos. You're one of the few people I've seen on here that actually knows what you're talking about. Most people talk like they know a lot, but having been around guns since I was about 6 years old (so about 30 years now), I can usually tell when people are either repeating shit they've read or heard or just having know idea what they are talking about. If I really want to learn something I default to your videos. I also like that you explain how "studies" and "statistics" aren't always what they seem to be. I had a psychology class on this subject in college and ever since I look at "studies" and "statistics" in a very different light. I like that you point this out and explain how they can be skewed, but unfortunately people still have a tendency to say, "but studies say this...," or, "statistics say that....." people tend to believe anything they read or see on TV as absolute fact. I don't know why this is, maybe people are losing the ability to think for themselves (which I truly do believe). Sometimes it's easier to argue with a brick wall than it is with people who "already know everything about the subject." great videos dude.
Another impressive and informative video, Paul. Because of your videos I have changed my home defense habits. I now have a .357 revolver (all six chambers loaded) as my primary defense weapon, with a .22 magnum revolver as backup. I used to have a .45 Springfield XD semi-auto for that purpose, but concerns about leaving the mag loaded all the time caused me to switch to the revolver. At some point in the future, I may buy a seven or eight round .357, but for now this is all I think I need. Thanks.
Yes! Definitiv one of the people on my list to spend an evening having some beer if ever possible! (Invitation when he ever comes to the old kontinent)
My first gun was/Is a .357 S&W 686 and I've always had a great respect for the magnum. The Sig round never interested me. This video peaked my interest in it. That was pretty fun. It's also interesting that you get pretty good results with green and white box, while the other "experts" only talk about the expensive stuff.
What makes Paul a “ what you’d call a professional?” Well, partly the thorough and logical approach to the subject matter, but, also the total lack of “ fan boy-ness” in his videos. Yes, he often states a personal preference for a particular firearm or caliber. Yet he gives HIS reasons why it suits HIM and doesn’t push on others why they must agree with HIS preferences or they’re just stupid. He even addresses the MANY whiners in the comments that ALWAYS crop up when their particular fan boy load or weapon doesn’t blow away the compared one. Yes this particular load in that particular weapon may out perform the one tested, but the ones tested are generally the ones MOST people would likely use in said weapon. With all that said, is Paul one of the best channels on firearms….you decide….
Paul, you are just too awesome for words! Yet another excellent, EXCELLENT comparison video on what are two REALLY GOOD defensive cartridges!!! Of course I am probably going to get some flak for this statement, but you really nailed this one and I personally agree with you 100% on this video. On the .357Sig round, when people ask me about it for carry I also say "Awesome Round! But I hope you can afford to train properly with it because MAN, even training ammo is NOT cheap in that caliber, WHEN you can find it". And, you and I both know that most people don't train nearly as much as we do, or even as much as they "should" when they commit to carrying a pistol regularly/daily. As I mentioned in one of your other awesome videos (I think the 9mm vs .357Mag one), you again forgot to bring up the inherent accuracy advantage the revolver has due to it being a fixed barrel weapon. Yes, I think we would agree that during a "normal" defensive use of a handgun (only @ 15'-20' of distance to the BG), this accuracy advantage doesn't really make any difference. BUT, with the modern "terrorist/mass-active shooter" threat, where the BG may already have opened fire, may also be equipped with a rifle or shotgun and the shooting distance to the threat can be significantly greater than "normal" (if you are lucky!), the significantly greater accuracy advantage of the powerful revolver CAN be the deciding factor in stopping those kinds of threat. Also, since many of these active/mass shooter lunatics have been known to wear body armor when they attack, the chances of success in scoring the now necessary head shot at those greater distance is HUGELY increased with the much more accurate fixed-barrel revolver. (Maybe that would be a good new video topic for you; "Revolver vs Auto: Extreme Accuracy? These 2 calibers (both 4" barrels to be fair) would be a good comparison for that video too due to how close they are in performance. Take 'em both out to 50 or even 100 yards and shooting from a rest, see how they compare at those distances; just a thought). Anyway, love your channel Paul! Keep up the GREAT work. You make me feel that there ARE other gun guys out there (like myself) who really DO "get it", in a realistic sense.
Interesting point. I have a couple of vids where I shoot 9MM and .45 ACP at 100 yards. I agree that revolvers can be more accurate than autos, but for the great majority of shooters at the distances most people will shoot the difference is minimal. For active shooters and for hunting accuracy becomes a much bigger factor and the revolver may give some people the edge.
The 2 guns you used in this comparison would be an excellent match-up at 50 to 100 yards in a side by side accuracy duel; Auto vs. Revolver... Shoot both from the bench/on bags to take most shooter error out of the equation and see what the differences really are. Having been a long time deer hunter with quality revolvers and 100+yard kills, I know I wouldn't trade my hand cannons for even the finest auto and expect that kind of performance (although I have been carrying a 10mm auto the past couple deer seasons in the hopes of scoring a Bambi with it). Regarding the head-shot/mass shooter/terrorist topic, are you familiar with Gabe Suarez? He's a pretty hard-core retired LEO who does training classes now, and right after the Dallas Police shootings, he came out with a pretty poignant article on this topic called "Center of Face Not Center of Mass". While I think we both can agree this philosophy will not fit the majority of civilian defense situations, nowadays/unfortunately, it's not 100% incomprehensible that the average Joe may indeed be faced with something similar. I know I have added some things to my own training to improve my skills in this arena. That and I now regularly practice shooting at 25 yards too. Here's the link to that article: blog.suarezinternational.com/2016/07/center-of-face-center-of-mass.html
Awesome video! Amazing info and explained very well! Real quick funny story. My grandpa was an old school revolver man. He was a .357mag gun for carry/home defense whatever. He would always say if it wasn't a revolver it wasn't a gun. He would say there is no such thing as a good semiauto pistol. I think he watched to much John Wayne and Gun smoke lol. Every time I see a video with a .357mag revolver I think of him. :-)
Grandpa was right. No limp wrist failures, no thumb safety, no FTF, no FTE. I still carry my Glock 19 with SW 686 .357 Magnum as a backup. NO extra mag
Someone needs to come out with a little 5 shot 327. Not sure how much difference in cylinder diameter there would be over a 5 shot 357 /38 but I doubt it would be "insignificant".
Colson Customs I don't see any benefit in that. My SP101 is a 6 shot vice its 5 shot 357 brother. Even if you could shrink the cylinder/gun down to only fit 5 shots (without leaving a ton of unused metal in the cylinder), I don't think I'd want to shoot it. What size gun are you envisioning? Anything for comparison's sake?
Colson Customs I'd rather we have more six shot, J-frame sized .38's instead. Seems like only Kimber, Charter Arms, and Rock Island Armory make something like that.
44 Magnum will deliver more energy than 45acp, which will deliver more energy than 45 Long Colt. At least when you are talking about any kind of normal loads. I would like to see a test of 45LC Bear Loads. I would guess a bear load would deliver as much energy and wounding power as most normal 45acp and 44 Mag, but that's just my guess based on a huge bullet with a pretty hot powder load in the LC.
@@remasteredretropcgames3312 If you read the initial post in this thread, the implied question was energy delivered in 44 Mag vs 45 Colt non-cowboy loads. What exactly does he mean by "45 Colt non-cowboy?" Does he mean 45ACP? Or 45 Long Colt loaded with something unusual, non-typical of 45LC? "Energy" is simply measured as mass x velocity. As Paul Harrell often states, that is not the same as "effectiveness." As an aside, Lucky Gunner has run a lot of gel tests on various ammo and has made mistaken conclusions such as "... better 357 Magnum is about as good as a typical 9mm, the gel test proves it (i.e., that 9mm is a better or more powerful round than 357 or other calibers...). They are incorrect. What they actually tested was what percentage of their hp test loads consistently expanded about 50% or more AND penetrated in gel between 12" and 18". They did not test "energy" or "effectiveness." As Paul has shown, 357 delivers both more energy and effectiveness. Back to 44 Mag, 45ACP, and 45 LC. To answer the original thread, if you are comparing 44 Mag to 45 ACP, the 44 Mag has more energy because on a typical load with the same weight bullet, it will propel it much faster. In the 3-bullet hierarchy, 45 ACP has more energy than 45 LC for the same reason using most normal loads for both. In other words, same size bullet is faster from 45 ACP. Now, Bear Loads on 45 LC could be interesting. I don't have a chronometer. But it's a 325 grain bullet with a hot powder load. That's 41% heavier than 230 grain, 80% heavier than 180 grain. Then what are you using to shoot a bear load? A Taurus Judge is going to be slower than a Henry Big Boy with a 20" barrel. But if you get say 850fps with a 325 grain bullet, the 180 grain 44 Mag would have to be at about 1530fps to have as much energy. As far as 10mm, the original posting did not ask anything about it. Typical 10mm certainly deliver more energy than 45acp. From memory, it seems 10 mm is usually low 500 ft-lbs while 45acp is mid to upper 300's ft-lbs.
@@remasteredretropcgames3312 I don't think many people actually go bear hunting with just a pistol. Ole Daniel, of course, hunted bear with just a knife. I think most people concerned with bear-stopping power are backpacking, camping, trail riding sort of stuff in bear country. From what little I know, most bears won't bother you if you don't bother them. Cubs involved is the exception, I guess. 30.06 is, IMO, still the best all-around rifle caliber, though it isn't "fashionable." Ballastics are actually a tad better than .308, and either will drop anything on the planet with a well-placed shot. If I was hiking in Alaska, I'd think about .44 Mag or 10mm, but CONUS you aren't going to encounter much 357 or 45acp can't stop if you get 6 to 11 shots. And realistically, if you don't get the job done by then, you probably won't.
@@remasteredretropcgames3312 while I don't shoot rifles much anymore, I believe you could go to an AR10 platform in .308 (7.62mm) and be well armed against anything ir anyone you encounter. Years ago I had a Browning Lever Rifle in .308 that I greatly regret having sold. Since I'm not planning on a barbecue in Yellowstone or Siberia, I think the likelihood of having to fight off 40 wolves or so is pretty remote. Actually that's the mindset a lot of people carrying concealed have which is a little problematic. You can see videos and comments where their mind set is clearly "oh, boy, when I run into those 17 terrorists will they be surprised when I open up with my concealed carry minigun and 7,000 spare rounds I carry!" Reality is for civilian CC, your job is to protect and disengage if possible. In probably 95%+ of the time, there will be three or less bad guys, and most will run or quit once they encounter armed opposition. There is a far greater concern of rounds missing and going no telling where if one pops off 17 rounds as quickly as they can. My most common CC is a G30SF. At times I'll carry a 9mm with up to 45 total rounds, or a .22 with 6 rounds and a spare mag. With 12 or more rounds of anything, if I don't solve things, odds are I'm not going to anyway.
As always a good presentation. Having said that I would like to have seen a comparison of the most powerful rounds in these weapons to see what their maximum potential is. Especially if we are trying to determine which is more powerful.
Just to Inform you guys. A 357 sig. is a .40 s&w case necked down to take a 9mm bullet. When you take a 10mm case and neck it down to 9mm it becomes a 9x25 Dillion caliber. A Glock 20 with a 9x25 Dillon barrel will fire a 125 grain projectile at 1700 FPS w/ 800 Ft. lbs. of muzzle energy. I have this set up for my Glock 20. It’s definitely awesome. Underwood and Doubletap both load this Ammo. It’s basically the same price as 10mm or anything else. For all of you guys that watch this channel I salute you. Paul Harrells videos in my opinion are the best ones I’ve seen here. Thanks Paul!!!
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You know Paul has the best channel when you would rather watch a re-run of his videos then a new video by the other gun channels.
i swear i've watched this video 4 or 5 times in the last 2 years
i've just watched this again after 'liking' it the first time. Just wish I could 'like' it again. And I'll watch it again later for sure...
I've watched this twice. Going to get a .357 S&W 686 7 shot.
Watching it again now.
I literally stopped watching a video about .357 sig and just started rewatching this one
I tell ya, if nothing else, these presentations have sold me on Remington green and white box ammunition.
David Herbst Me too!
Don't let those numbers affect your better judgment. Those are plinking rounds. Nothing more. Unless, of course, they are all that you have to defend yourself or others with. They are not very accurate. Nor, do they perform as well as a dedicated defensive round when speaking terminal ballistics.
what are you on about, in nearly every damm comparison paul does the G/W box is just as accurate and often has just as or nearly as good expansion as the hyper ammo.
@@PriVateJoe7 The tactitards enjoy spending 25 dollars on 20 rounds instead of 50.... Its their money to piss away.... I've shot 9BPLE, Buffalo Bore, +P bonded sabers, +P HSTs.... Remington green and white box does the same thing, has the same expansion or close to it, and is literally HALF the price.... People call FMJ plinking rounds, yet neglect to acknowledge those plinking rounds have killed millions of people at war the last 100+ years....
You definitely can't argue with their consistency.
Re-watching Nov 2024. Something about the beautiful scenery, Paul’s engaging presentation, and the knowledge of his passing, made me tear up a bit. Miss you Paul.
Outstanding!! This is the first video from Paul Harrell I've seen. As a former US Army Ranger/ Combat Veteran , I was extremely surprised with how much actual information less personal bias ( and TactiCool) there was. Paul is a very effective speaker, well balanced conversation from a practical approach. I will definitely recommend his videos to others.
-HOOUAH! 😎🇺🇸
I say Hooah!
I'm a little skeptical when the host has a shaved head, tattoos, and a fu man cho playing Mr badass.
This is why I appreciate your videos, no BS. I'm an old dude and like my revolvers. One well aimed shot with a 357 mag or a 357 sig is absolutely effective. That said, I am more comfortable with a revolver and I shoot better. Carry the gun you shoot the best.
I am a middle aged gun guy, a fan boy of almost every gun maker. And I spend A LOT every month on guns/ammunition.
I own sigs, hks, colts, 1911s, kimbers, MAGNUMS, compacts dozens of handguns... my wife took a LONG time to like anything other than revolvers (cowboy guns). But, out if DOZENS of hand guns, the one that she had thr FASTEST point and shoot, and MOST accurate.... Browning high power. Old, 1970s high power...
She likes how light the Hk usp is. she has a sig p229 in her dresser drawer (under the toys). But, on road trips, she opens the safe grabs her high power for the "door" gun. And she grabs the benelli m4 for the trunk gun. (A kimber micro 9 LIVES) in the "get home bag" in her trunk.
But, she has TRUST in the Browning.
My dad was a Vietnam Marine and lifelong police officer. He passed on his lifelong love of 357 magnum, and also passed on his old police 357 revolvers to me. They're my favorite guns to shoot, and to carry.
So much common sense without the “black ops” drama and bravado. Thanks Paul!
Ray Paget,,,, I totally agree. Seems to be a common theme with many of the gun review channels,, so many have a beard, mustache, tattoos, and some sort of tactical or military clothing.
hipster tactical.
You need a beard to be an operator. It's in the job description.
You guys complaining about the stupidity of gun channels ought to try Forgotten Weapons. The host is so well-read and civilized it's gonna blow your mind xD
@@KurwaRomek Gun Jesus.
I want that two hour "Revolver vs. Autoloader," video.
The answer to the revolver versus auto loader debate is, “yep. “
@Da Sheat 17 rounds of +p 9mm Fort Scotts 80 gr TUI (shoots through two bullet proof vest stacked together, a 3a+ and a 2a, Paul Harrell himself did it from a pistol, and several other channels shot through at least one 3a+) or 147 grain +p HST’s
I am blown away by the thoroughness and thoughtful consideration of all relevant factors concerning the subject matter. Unsullied by bombastic proclamations and flashiness. This is what serious viewers want and need even if they don’t know it yet. Don’t change a thing that will compromise these strengths.
As one of my professors once said, “Everybody’s trying to be different around here. You want to be really different..., do things right!”
Has anyone ever told you, your head is huge?
Paul is very intelligent, thoughtful and respectful. Love this guy.
Indeed ... a lot of content !! Very thorough. Just bought a Taurus RT 605 2" (yes! 2") revolver, 5 .357 mag shots, as backup gun ... and this video is a nice complement to my informed training
He does the test, so I don't have to.
I’m a huge fan of 357 sig... however the 357 mag is that old dog that just can’t be beat. Great round!!
.357 Sig is a really neat cartridge, but it can be challenging to handload. My only brown-pants moment shooting my reloads was with a .357 Sig bullet that went more than 1,600 FPS over the chronograph. The sound and recoil told me something seriously bad had happened even before I looked at the velocity. I put the gun down instantly and waited for my heart rate to regulate itself. I had overlooked a potentially dangerous step in my process that had worked just fine for several straight walled cartridges. The length of bullet shank inside the case neck is VERY short, and the powder is loaded right up to the bottom of the bullet.
@@chipsterb4946 Yep. That's why I use Blue Dot primarily... Blue dot likes to be compressed a little bit , so if you have bullet setback it's not as much a problem than if it was a different powder.
Diktator Alexander - thanks! I used AA No. 7 for the same reason, but it’s great to know about an alternative.
@@chipsterb4946 Yes I've seen AA No.7 mentioned a lot, along with No. 9.
Right now I'm gonna experiment with Longshot for .147 grain bullets. I want to create a good deer load for this caliber.
10mm is the modern 357 mag.
I just love how much thought he puts into the composition of a target to represent human anatomy as best as he can.
I Am The Denimist I wonder if those boys in Texas are sending him the ears?
@@may2888 ?
I realize this is odd, but the other day I was in my car repeatedly saying “Pork chop pectoral” to myself.
Very. Odd.
and behind that our New and Improved High Tech Fleece Bullet Stop.
If its new how can it be improved and if its improved how can it be new?
Baaaaahahahahahaha
literally LOL
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I will never find Paul explaining the meat target redundant.
Or the improved high tech fleece bullet stop!
I really want that fleece. It's a good bullet stopper. Also, in cold weather, I probably wouldn't mind wearing 21 layers of it.
I bet there is a parallel dimension where a man made of oranges and pork builds a meat target with human lungs to simulate oranges, a human pectoral pork chop and a human's ribcage to simulate pork ribs.
Ate too much acid Major?
Did I miss the episode where he went from the "High Tech Fleece Bullet Stopper" to the "NEW AND IMPROVED High Tech Fleece Bullet Stopper?" Man, technology never sleeps...
I looked over at my GP100 and said "Mr. Paul is talking about YOU, big guy!"
Charles Carter .... lmao
Yup
KIMBER K6s 🇺🇸🏁
Nope. he has a Security Six. That would be your GP100's "Dad." (Ruger no longer makes Security Six, although I think it's by far the best revolver I own.)
LMAO
RIP ……. I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of watching your videos.
Probably the best reviewer on TH-cam. Nothing but substance. Only shoots the number of rounds needed to make a point, no small talk just useful information provided in an objective manner. Well done!
Nice touch on the added problem of user induced failures with autos. Both are highly capable rounds.
Yep that's the trade off for having over double the capacity
Personal preference.. I like the availability of 357 mag and 38 special ammo myself.. Plus I like a nice wheel gun...
There is no wrong answer as long as your gun works every time and you hit your target every time.
@@thatguy22441 - I'm in full agreement with the both o' yez. I chose .357 mag because I wanted a powerful anti-intruder handgun, in a revolver to eliminate shooter mistakes that might happen with a pistol, also, to encourage aiming during a firefight. I know about "point 'n' shoot" when there isn't time to aim, but if there is time to aim, I want to take the extra fraction of a second to aim. I used dbl action revolvers and cock the hammer before using, to slow the firing rate and put a round on the intended target area. I've never been in a gun fight, but I would imagine that I would be in a "fight or flight" mode, and I fear that I would be firing too quickly to aim if I used a pistol. I do a little practice at the gun range of using the long pull of the double action, finding that I will have to aim low and to the left, to hit center torso.
@@mu99ins My advice is train, train, and train some more. Train until proper target acquisition becomes reflexive, until you can't fire without instinctively getting a proper sight picture. It's said that your "training takes over" and it's true. Practice on it long enough and you'll do it without even thinking about it.
Exactly you can fire .38 special out of a .357 magnum revolver.
Paul you are made to be in front of the camera and teaching, thank you for everything you do.
This is still one of Paul's top 12 (or 15 since there are so many Harrell YT videos) produced. Consider that he covered two rather comparable cartridges, two different platforms (Auto vs. Revolver), respective effectiveness of either round, touched on statistical issues, actual incidents and emphasized that the viewer is to be the judge when selecting a gun/cartridge combination ALL in under 20 minutes of run time. In the past, I've encountered university professors incapable of making so many relevant points on a subject within 2 hours. That's a big reason I keep coming back to Mr. Harrell's previous presentations.
I started a 30 + year career in 1974 carrying a 357 magnum. It worked well in those incidents I needed it. In the mid 80’s we did switch to semi autos. Yes they held a whole lot more rounds, but I never felt outgunned or under gunned with my revolver. I still love and shoot them.
In clinical work, we differentiate between "statistically significant difference" and "clinically significant difference." Like, the patient is attempting suicide 2 times per week, down from 5 per week. It's statistically significant, but clinically insignificant. Paul, every time you've said, "significant" or "significant difference" your meaning has been sparklingly clear by your context.
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Yup, Effect Size VS significance (p-value) : give me both!
+gnpahcd. How come you can measure that on a per week basis? Your patients ought to be dead within two weeks. Not enough to do the statistics.
That's a very interesting question, and it helps draw out another factor. The example I gave is a famous one in academia, and I have never heard it in a clinical setting. So, we also have the differences (pun intended, I suppose) between what academics say and think, and what those closer to real-world say and think.
+gnpahdc. It would be more realistic to pick an example from the world of endocrinology. Serum tests provide a multitude of cases where the count can vary, say, between 0 and 100, yet a threshold of 5 or 10 is considered normal, i.e. clinically significant.
Mmm orange marinated smoked ribs...
I always think that too.
Mmmmm. Just don't marinate too long or the citric acid will start to decompose the meat.
Well, I figured that would go without saying. Get it over with quickly.
With just a hint of GSR. Delicious.
Doesnt sound half bad, actually.
I absolutely love the way Paul does his tests, without any personal bias or criticism he simply educates you on the pros and cons of things without telling his personal opinion on the matter. Very professional and to the point.
Dylan Thomas I somewhat disagree, he definitely gives his options, however, he tries to make sure we understand that they are JUST opinions, he doesn’t present any info as if what he says is 100% the way it is...
There are many gun channels. Some are fun. Some are informative. Some are for the advanced shooter. Some are for the beginner. I like them all. Paul's is the one channel I keep coming back to. I shot Rifle and Shotgun as a kid. I was a beginner 5 years ago on hand guns. Paul Harrell's videos have something for every level of gun enthusiast.
I have noticed after reading the comments here that most all can write correctly in English. It shows the quality of those who watch your videos over others. You and your videos are just that, the best!
Does anyone remember the 1990s when NBC had Thursday night “Must See TV” with Seinfeld and other shows? Now Thursdays are TH-cam “Must Watch Videos” with Paul Harrell. As always, great video!
He does seem to attract a nicer crowd.
NBC are they still around?
Yeah, but they now have “Nothing But Crap TV”.
I really appreciate this guy going to the range in the middle of winter and freezing his balls off to answer the questions I've never asked. Top notch quality content 👌
Favorite Channel
My understanding of 357 sig is it was actually designed to be a autoloading cartridge with comparable power to 357 Magnum I would say that that was a success
I'm thinking about getting a conversion barrel for my .40 to shoot this. I can go with 10mm and 357sig with just a barrel swap. Which would you convert to in a glock 27?
Comparable in one area only though, self defense . It was designed to emulate the 357 mag with 125gr bullet from a 4” barrel. What is considered the gold standard for self defense loads. And it gets pretty close in that regard. But the mag is a much more versatile round , capable of many bullet weights and velocity’s for everything from self defense to hunting deer.
Stepping up to a 10mm will get more of an auto 357 mag result ballistically, though the fan boys like to think it’s way more , it really not.
It’s very similar to heavier, hotter mag loads. Much more so than the sig.
@@megastick9324 what about 9x25 Dillon with 180gr hard cast? I'm sure the "sectional density" might be a little crazy but it pushes it pretty quickly. I shoot 10mm "short" lol but was curious about this round
@@anthonysmith3132 ive never owned one. I have two buddies that reload and they’re really into them. I’m sure it’s a great round, 9mm mag so to speak. But I don’t reload so I stay away from a lot of great cartridges because they aren’t readily available .
@@megastick9324 yea I hear you. I'd love to experiment with 40 super 400 corbon etc. I forget you're original post so if you've already said it sorry but what's your preferred self defense cartridge?
We all can appreciate the quality of information this gentleman provides his viewers. His very intelligent in-depth analysis make this channel one of the best top 5 firearms channels on YT.
Story time with Paul? We need more of this please!
Don’t think an hour of anecdotes would be boring. Another fine video!
Hands down this is the best guns and ammo reviewer on TH-cam.
Love your work Mr Harrell.
Another SIGNIFICANT addition to the firearms reference canon. Informative and concise without being dry and entertaining without any fluff.
Again, well done, Sir. Thank you.
On the topic of capacity, yes, revolvers are truly adequate in probably 95% of all defensive shootings (unless the round is ineffective), but that added capacity, for most people, myself included, can contribute greatly to the shooter's confidence. You can never have too much ammunition. Unless, of course, you're on fire.
Thanks for the comparison, Paul. I'm still a .357 magnum fan. My first handgun was the Colt Trooper with a 6" barrel, 6 rounds per cylinder purchased in 1964 for use in combat. My current one is a 4", 7 round .357. I have a couple of speed loaders or I can carry a compact semi-auto.
I just bought a lever action.357 mag rifle can’t wait to shoot it I have yet to ever fire a .357
My wife wanted me to help her bake cookies for her Christmas party at work. I saw this video pop up and was like "Can't help ya, Paul just uploaded a vid." I'm in the dog house but I don't care!
Just make sure the dog house has wifi and you're good to go.
I watch long youtube videos while cooking, lol
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD there's the answer!
I save my dog house mess ups for when I buy guns without telling her lol
While Paul isn't the largest gun channel I'm subscribed to, he is the only one who gets 5,180 views and 1,113 thumbs up in the first two hours after uploading.
Outstanding channel with great content.
Paul has a very dedicated fan base!
Thank you, Paul, for another great informative video. I had the opportunity to see the damage to an A-pillar caused by a .357 Sig versus a 9x19 and the .45 ACP during range qualification at my former agency, it was very impressive, and all good as long as the agency was buying the ammo, not so much when it came to me buying it, my 45 ACP worked just fine.
Just discovered Paul's videos a few weeks ago and really know he is top notch and knows what he's talking about. After I retired from my "real" job, I worked part time at a gun range. Did RSO on the range, was a certified NRA pistol instructor and trained new shooters, etc. One slow Sunday we found an random box of open ammo and a ton of it was .357 Sig. There was about 1000 rounds and four of us, so we ran a bunch of drills and shot 250 rounds apiece in a couple of hours through the range Glock. I'm pretty recoil insensitive, but was never so happy to see the end of that ammo. My wrists, shoulders and elbows were way sore. I'm not a Glock fan, but will say, we shot the hell out of that gun and it never bobbled. Thanks for the very high quality vids you do.
These round comparisons are some of the most useful information I’ve seen on the internet.
This is just what I wanted to see! Thanks for taking other viewers and my comments into consideration.
Don’t try shooting through a chronograph at those distances with a pistol at home people. He’s what you call a professional.
MoreAmerican no joke. What, 1 cut ft? Down a metaphorical tube? Consistently? And able to read the LCD readout at that distance?
Glad it isn't just me.
Every single time I wonder how many shots before I would be able to get off before I put one right into the chrono guts.
I got a conspiracy theory about this very thing. I think he does the real chrono shots earlier off camera and remembers the numbers he got so he can make that scene in the video look better
@@rhinovirus2225 he actually addressed this in a more recent video, the numbers are an inch tall and high contrast, which is legible at 7 yards. I would've believed you though lol
Notification squad! Pull over and watch Paul doing what he does best!
I love my s&w 686+ it always go boom when I need it too! Thanks Paul.
Barrel conversions for caliber and barrel length are also a potential semi advantage. Where the wheel gun may shoot .38s the 357 Sig can be shooting 9s, and even suppressed, if desired. Perhaps add a light or a quick reset trigger and the semi really out shines in the modularity comparison.
You continue to be one of the finest instructors on Common Sense Firearms knowledge and use anywhere, not just on TH-cam!
Thank you for your time, your effort, and your expertise, and presenting valuable knowledge that can help save lives, and save budgets too!
Long live the Meat Target!
.357 Sig is criminally underrated.
It's just not common enough. Bottleneck shells are better than straightwalls but convention rules.
@@Smokeless1167 why are bottleneck > straightwalls?
@@alphaspartan Feed purposes
Agree
.357 mag on the other hand is rated quite highly by criminals
I`d only add that another pro for the .357 Magnum is the ability to have your sidearm in the same caliber as your carbine, with the availability of lever actions in that caliber.
Ruger needs to make a .357sig model of their PC.
@@rickc2102 god i wish, imagine .357 sig from a long barrel.
@@kumaflamewar6524 Aero survival rifle has you covered. IIRC they do a 3-pack deal so you could have e.g. 10mm (/.40), .357 SIG & 9mm.
Might be an old statement, but Ruger makes a bolt action that fires it too lol.
Plus you can fire .38 special from a .357 magnum.
Another EXCELLENT VIDEO ! Being a Revolver man , the .357mag is the King of the Road for me . However , I'd feel well protected with a .357 sig .
No doubt - Paul Harrell's gun/ammo videos are the best on youtube. Very detailed, but not boring or monotone like so many others. And importantly, as with this video, he wraps it up with stating that when push comes to shove, when comparing ammo, it still always comes down to what works best for the individual who is shooting.
Paul could make a video on the proper fitment of range glasses interesting.
Great video. I have a SIG P229 in .357 SIG, but I also have a 9mm Bar-Sto barrel in it for practice just for the reason you pointed out at the end.
Good video, Paul. Thank you, and Merry Christmas!!!
I just discovered this channel. I am an avid reloader and love content like this. Paul, you nailed these videos with a scientific outlook that tries to compare apples as closely to apples. Most guys are all over the place with ammo and caliber comparisons. Well done brother. Thank you.
I never realized for thr .357 sig. I have a sig p229 in.40 (and I bought thr sig 357 sig barrel) tomorrow I am picking up a HK USP in .40 (going to get a 357 sig barrel for it as well).
Any advise on bullets to run? -- I have a butt load of 115 grain from Xtreme bullets.. (can the copper washed 115 grain 9mm take thr pressure of thr sig)?
Thanks John
Like the .357 Sig cartridge, so your thorough comparisons, especially the chronograph ( laser ? ) gadget you use to get your average muzzle velocities have convinced me to buy a pistol that is built around this great necked down cartridge. And that pistol must be a Sig Sauer, of course!
Woot Paul video, means a good night.
Excellent, spot-on video, Paul, and Merry Christmas to you and your family.
I'm always impressed with the quality and content of your videos on any subject related to firearms use. Easily the most informative TH-cam channel on safe and effective firearms selection and use.
It so happens I own a H&K USP Compact chambered in .357 SIG. I love shooting it for a variety of reasons, not least of which is it (1) ergonomically fits my hands better than any other pistol I've ever fired, (2) can be shot either in double action or single action, (3) and has a de-cocker and a manual safety. That said, your comments on the availability and price of .357 SIG ammo are very true. I find buying such ammo is generally a huge hassle. Most gun stores don't carry .357 SIG at all or only carry one brand, often a cheap and poorly designed round. Quality .357 SIG ammo costs A LOT more than you'd spend on other calibers. That higher ammo cost really strikes home if you shoot the volume of ammo needed to train properly. So the H&K gets little training time and I spend far more time training with my Colt Government Model .45 ACP. I shoot better with the latter pistol but that's solely because I train with it far more frequently than with the H&K USP Compact.
Please continue your good work and professional presentations. Semper Fi!!
Information coming from an old school Texas Highway Patrolman, .357 Magnum with 125 gr jhp kills like lighting. And anytime someone comes up with a new defensive round they automatically compare it to the .357 Magnum with 125 jhp bullets. That's why Sig came up with the .357 Sig for auto loading pistols and most defense ammo is 125 gr. Most Texas Highway Patrolman carry this combination and that is why I carry this combination.
I will try to add to the conversation something useful that I know.
That is when you're talking about Auto loaders, on many makes and models of pistols it is possible to purchase different barrels, to allow you to shoot other calibers.
For example.
I Carry a Smith & Wesson m&p full size pistol, I purchased it on caliber 40 Smith & Wesson, that's the caliber it came on at the price point I could afford at the time, it was a police trade in.
because at the time 40 Smith & Wesson was a bit expensive for me, I decided to purchase a 9mm barrel and 2 magazines.
The amount of money that the 9mm conversion saved me per round of training ammo made it basically pay for itself.
Sometime after I grew confident enough on my shooting, that I wanted to hunt small to medium size game with my pistol, and I also heard of 357sig and it's greater speed and relatively flat trajectory inside of 50 yards, and I knew the original .40s&w magazines that originally came with my pistol were fully compatible with 357sig cartridges.
So I went and purchased a 357 barrel.
Now I carry 357sig for home defense and personal protection, and I train with 9mm when I go to the range.
I believe this method could be used on the same breath of the 357 Magnum switching calibers to save on ammo.
Yes you have to purchase extra hardware to do that, but in my experience it has been well worth it, because now I can shoot 3 calibers on the same handgun, and in most recent times where ammo went all but extinct on the shelves, being able to switch calibers was very very useful..
I hike a lot in the back country and don’t need 15 rounds. However I do like carrying 180gr hard cast bullets for bear. Advantage magnum.
I carry a 10mm with 15 rounds. Hard Cast. I also carry bear spray and will use that first. Use bear spray past 50 ft cause their sense of smell is 300 x better than a bloodhounds. (That is what I was told in bear spray class and check the wind)
Buffalo Bore 180 .357 , my woods load.
Concerning reliability between revolvers and semi autos I used to believe that mechanically that revolvers were much more reliable than autos but recent revolver purchases have shattered my illusion of that.
Two of my 357s have failed me quite frequently and have had to been sent back to the manufacturer for repairs.
I’m 50 and I’ve never had this problem before.
One of them was an expensive “Performance Center” 357 that went back twice.
On the other hand I have one auto that I’ve owned for 10 years and has never failed me, ever.
Not only that, when a revolver goes down it's mostly done for good and needs to be repaired. But when an autoloader fails it's usually just a second or two remediation and it's back in the fight.
I had a brand shiny new S&W N frame that had cylinder drag when fired more than 12 rounds. Ended up getting a gunsmith friend true up the cylinder locally and turn the barrel in one turn. Didn't want to wait for A&W to fix it. So yes, revolvers can have problems too.
You have pointed out the real problem with the modern Smith & Wesson vs the old Smith & Wesson. The modern S&W values company profits above all else while the old S&W valued quality above all else. Hence, the older Smiths are far and away better in every way. My favorite Smith is an older 686 that has the most wonderful double action trigger I have ever used. My newer Smith is a 649 pro that has a horrible double action that feels like it is 15 pounds. I only have it because my brother wanted to trade for an auto I had.
Im sorry but I have to do this. "Mess with the lords hour, get the sig sauer"
With Sig iron on his hip. Sig iron on his hiiiiiiiiip.
One big reason I like revolvers is that they aren't ammo picky.
I love semi-autos but I grew up on revolvers and have always enjoyed shooting them more than semi-autos because, for me, ammunition tends to last longer on the range with revolvers. I've always had a .357 Magnum revolver and carried one for many years on the job. I retired by the time they switched to semi-autos but today the world is a very different place. Law enforcement officers nowadays only carry semi-autos, many of which carry THREE spare mags. In my day we had a 6-shot revolver with 2 speedloaders totalling a mere 18 rounds.
You faced the same threats with only 18 shots. You faced them anyway with less.
Thanks for another .357 mag video. They always make me want to keep my snubbose wheelgun. I'm using 125 grain hornady hollow points and now know I'll keep using that grain. I was impressed with your meat targets. Looks like they will do fine.
*_Yeah, but you can't get that in the Remington Green And White Box._* [Sorry. I thought Paul was short on "yeah, buts."] I think I am going to try some Barnes TAC-XPD when I know I get some range time. I have the Hornady for the 9mm.
Ellison Rodgers oh, I do use my .357 mag. for ccw. It's easy for me to conceal, virtually no print. I've recently changed my ammo to 125 grain hp, and was wondering about the characteristics of the round. Paul's vid. Showed me what I wanted to know. I think 125 grain will be fine for ccw, and maybe bump back up to 158 grain sp for when I'm fly fishing in bear country. It's hard to find many load choices in my area. Your right my younger buddies all carry the latest autos. So I get teased alot. Guess I'm old school.
I have to admit I was impressed with how much the sig rocked that meat target. I didn't think it would have been that close to the magnum. Great, well thought out video. Thank you Mr. Harrell.
Physics doesn't care about marketing.
Same here. Everything I have looked at data wise puts the 357 sig quite a ways behind the 357 mag, although still quite capable. Very impressed with the similar velocities.
You should have added two more seconds to the video time ;)
:)
Glock fanboys probably appreciate the two second brevity of Paul's latest.
If the video was truly 19:11, it would just buffer nonstop like a real 1911 jams.
Ahhhhh I see what you did there
@@FamineWolf properly maintained, the 1911 is as reliable (or more so) as any other weapon at any price and even the cheap ones have some of the best triggers in the industry, completely the opposite of Gaston's "perfect" autoloaders (or any other striker-fired crap, for that matter). Why would anyone settle for a weapon that has a trigger that feels like it's packed with broken glass?
Thank You for the comparisons. Personally I shoot the Ruger GP 100 match champion with 38 special rounds. There are many loads and bullet weights available in the 38/357 mag corner but the key (for me) is practicing often. The cost of practice is less expensive using 38 special (except self defense rounds) instead of 357mag and much easier to find given todays shortages.
For training with 357 sig, you can typically find conversion barrels from 40/357 down to 9mm. That isn't ideal for "serious" purposes, but works well for practice and is certainly better than a .22 conversion.
Oh, and let me say a big "DITTO" to the commenter who suggested regular story time videos. That is a great idea. Stories/anecdotes and lessons learned from CCW, police situations, hunting situations, real gunfights, etc. "The Harrell Files". Kinda lime the Ayoob Files, but better☺. Thanks for listening
This presentation was seriously top notch, even for a Paul Harrell video
The Sig is very impressive for an auto cartridge.
ATM/AttractedToMoney look on line at manufactures like Grizzly and you will see 2000 fps and 700 foot lbs. 1500 to 1600 is easy to come by.
My Glock 33 in .357 Sig is one of my carry guns. I feel confident if ever needed it Will get the job done. Pray I don't. But....another great vid Paul ! tyvm
Damn valid points .. there’s so many variables on so much its hard to know some things .. you Do a great job at exposing these things… thank you …
When you say " I could go on at length...." and then proceed, I always figure you should do just that in a separate video where those of us who care can view and appreciate it. Keep up the good work.
First! Dropped everything including the baby, new Paul Video!
The baby is going to be there every day. Paul only makes a video once a week. Good call.
SuperUncleRyan it's a joke
Connor Pettit I understand...so was my reply.....
HAHJAHAHAHAHAAH
A man has to have priorities.
Another thoughtful and useful video, Paul. Well done. I am on the .357 Mag side of this in part because of the .38 Special flexibility, but mainly because of hunting capability. Neither is ideal for me for self defense, since I am not a cop. But for deer size game and below at closer ranges? The .357 Magnum in an accurate revolver is tough to beat. And with .38 Specials it is a great jackrabbit/coyote gun.
In defense of the .357 Sig though, all you need to do to convert it to say 9mm or .40 S&W is a simple barrel swap. While a .357 Magnum gun can do that as is out of the box, it's still not a bad investment. I too am on the side of .357 for the same reasons you listed. For personal defense however, there are plenty of good loads like the Remington 158gr SJHP, which is well proven out of a 4 inch barrel to not over penetrate and give excellent expansion and penetration well within safe parameters for collateral risks.
Truly, the .357 Sig is not a bad round though... but it was originally intended for duty use, and in that capacity it's a fine caliber. I feel the .40 S&W while also being designed for the same roles is a bit more versatile like the .357 Magnum in terms of what it can be used for and is often much cheaper than the .357 Sig. Both .357 Sig and .40 S&W can be loaded up hot and limiting their defensive capabilities and pushing into hunting territory, but with standard loads or hot loads, the .40 S&W doesnt push those boundaries as hard.
I feel the .357 Magnum is just more practical for a lot of people. Simple to understand, versatile, and effective for whatever you might need it for with either .38 Special or otherwise.
Since having a hunting .357 Magnum myself I'm leaning more towards having a .38 for self defense honestly. A .357 sig would just be a luxury.
+Brian Schimdt The Medusa Revolver was capable of such a thing, however it is highly inaccurate using anything aside from .357 and .38 Special in most cases. Ian at Forgotten Weapons did a video on one, kinda revealed them to be an utter piece of crap novelty gun. But yes, a .357 cut for moon clips is definitely capable of quite the array of calibers that are effective however and it makes for one handy little package as a whole.
Likewise, you can do this with .32 caliber revolvers like a .327 Federal Magnum or a .45 caliber revolver like a S&W .460 Magnum or a Taurus Raging Judge Magnum. I have a .327 and the Raging Judge cut for moon clips, the .327 is capable before conversion of firing .32 S&W Short/Long, .32 H&R Magnum, .327 Federal Magnum, and .32 ACP reliably. The .32 ACP bit is iffy with certain brands however. But when cut for moon clips, it can fire .32 NAA, .30 Luger, .30 Carbine, I've heard some say 7.62 Tokarev but have never tried nor want to as well as 7.63 Mauser. There's a wide variety of .32 caliber rounds I'm confident it could handle as well but I think the point is made. Likewise a .460 S&W Magnum can handle around 9 different calibers including the .460 S&W, probably more with all the .45 caliber wild cats out there, the Taurus can handle all the same rounds minus the .460 S&W Magnum of course.
The reason I feel a .357 though would be better for most people is the fact that 9mm caliber rounds are far more common. However, I'd avoid using ultra hot ammo on the regular or even semi regularly. As when they get cut for the clips it does weaken the cylinder a little bit and hotter rounds dont get handled as well which could cause some safety issues if you're not careful. You start to see wear over time, but a good strong .357 from the get go should be just fine.
Doby: Have to agree for the most part. BUT, load it with Hornady 38 special 110 grain Critical Defense rounds and you'll have a very capable self defense gun. Brian: having a gun that is capable of firing multiple calibers? Your best bet is an H&R single barrel shotgun in .410. Watch the videos from Iraqveteran8888. Basically if you can shove it in the chamber it would fire it. It's UNBELIEVABLE what they fired through it with absolutely no problem, up to and including 50 AE.. Granted most wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn but DAMN, it shot it.
+Dale Harper Ordinarily I'd agree on such matters, however their pressure levels are FAR within safe limitations of what the gun can handle in a .327 Federal Magnum gun like a Ruger SP101 or GP100 or even their Single Seven/Six line. While I personally have had no desire to test the Tokarev round, it doesnt generate more pressure than a .327 Federal Magnum and the gun would handle it I'm certain.
I think the issue would be getting rounds to fit the chamber with some of these guns. Thing with .357 Magnum not chambering 9mm is because of different bullet diameters, this is where that Medusa Revolver solved it by how it was unique with it's cylinder. However, that is an expensive venture that no company really wants to make. So it's much simpler to just make a 9mm revolver.
It really depends on the revolver though, some will be able to, others wont and most that will are typically extremely inaccurate using 9mm or anything like that.
I like your videos. You're one of the few people I've seen on here that actually knows what you're talking about. Most people talk like they know a lot, but having been around guns since I was about 6 years old (so about 30 years now), I can usually tell when people are either repeating shit they've read or heard or just having know idea what they are talking about. If I really want to learn something I default to your videos. I also like that you explain how "studies" and "statistics" aren't always what they seem to be. I had a psychology class on this subject in college and ever since I look at "studies" and "statistics" in a very different light. I like that you point this out and explain how they can be skewed, but unfortunately people still have a tendency to say, "but studies say this...," or, "statistics say that....." people tend to believe anything they read or see on TV as absolute fact. I don't know why this is, maybe people are losing the ability to think for themselves (which I truly do believe). Sometimes it's easier to argue with a brick wall than it is with people who "already know everything about the subject." great videos dude.
Thanks. Answers many of the questions I had about the .357 Sig.
Another impressive and informative video, Paul. Because of your videos I have changed my home defense habits. I now have a
.357 revolver (all six chambers loaded) as my primary defense weapon, with a .22 magnum revolver as backup. I used to have a .45 Springfield XD semi-auto for that purpose, but concerns about leaving the mag loaded all the time caused me to switch to the revolver. At some point in the future, I may buy a seven or eight round .357, but for now this is all I think I need. Thanks.
Reality is if we don't get it done with 12 rounds, we probably aren't going to get it done.
Paul, you can bore me for an hour on anecdotes anytime.
Indeed! :)
I was thinking the same thing.
Nicely done. Thank you.
Thanks Paul, Revisiting this video.
He always says "I could talk for hours about these different scenarios." I wanna meet him and hear these stories.
Yes! Definitiv one of the people on my list to spend an evening having some beer if ever possible! (Invitation when he ever comes to the old kontinent)
Yeah he is really too cool LOL!
Paul !
You do a great job explaining things
I really like your videos
My first gun was/Is a .357 S&W 686 and I've always had a great respect for the magnum. The Sig round never interested me. This video peaked my interest in it. That was pretty fun. It's also interesting that you get pretty good results with green and white box, while the other "experts" only talk about the expensive stuff.
What makes Paul a “ what you’d call a professional?” Well, partly the thorough and logical approach to the subject matter, but, also the total lack of “ fan boy-ness” in his videos. Yes, he often states a personal preference for a particular firearm or caliber. Yet he gives HIS reasons why it suits HIM and doesn’t push on others why they must agree with HIS preferences or they’re just stupid.
He even addresses the MANY whiners in the comments that ALWAYS crop up when their particular fan boy load or weapon doesn’t blow away the compared one. Yes this particular load in that particular weapon may out perform the one tested, but the ones tested are generally the ones MOST people would likely use in said weapon. With all that said, is Paul one of the best channels on firearms….you decide….
Paul, you are just too awesome for words! Yet another excellent, EXCELLENT comparison video on what are two REALLY GOOD defensive cartridges!!! Of course I am probably going to get some flak for this statement, but you really nailed this one and I personally agree with you 100% on this video. On the .357Sig round, when people ask me about it for carry I also say "Awesome Round! But I hope you can afford to train properly with it because MAN, even training ammo is NOT cheap in that caliber, WHEN you can find it". And, you and I both know that most people don't train nearly as much as we do, or even as much as they "should" when they commit to carrying a pistol regularly/daily. As I mentioned in one of your other awesome videos (I think the 9mm vs .357Mag one), you again forgot to bring up the inherent accuracy advantage the revolver has due to it being a fixed barrel weapon. Yes, I think we would agree that during a "normal" defensive use of a handgun (only @ 15'-20' of distance to the BG), this accuracy advantage doesn't really make any difference. BUT, with the modern "terrorist/mass-active shooter" threat, where the BG may already have opened fire, may also be equipped with a rifle or shotgun and the shooting distance to the threat can be significantly greater than "normal" (if you are lucky!), the significantly greater accuracy advantage of the powerful revolver CAN be the deciding factor in stopping those kinds of threat. Also, since many of these active/mass shooter lunatics have been known to wear body armor when they attack, the chances of success in scoring the now necessary head shot at those greater distance is HUGELY increased with the much more accurate fixed-barrel revolver. (Maybe that would be a good new video topic for you; "Revolver vs Auto: Extreme Accuracy? These 2 calibers (both 4" barrels to be fair) would be a good comparison for that video too due to how close they are in performance. Take 'em both out to 50 or even 100 yards and shooting from a rest, see how they compare at those distances; just a thought). Anyway, love your channel Paul! Keep up the GREAT work. You make me feel that there ARE other gun guys out there (like myself) who really DO "get it", in a realistic sense.
Interesting point. I have a couple of vids where I shoot 9MM and .45 ACP at 100 yards. I agree that revolvers can be more accurate than autos, but for the great majority of shooters at the distances most people will shoot the difference is minimal. For active shooters and for hunting accuracy becomes a much bigger factor and the revolver may give some people the edge.
The 2 guns you used in this comparison would be an excellent match-up at 50 to 100 yards in a side by side accuracy duel; Auto vs. Revolver... Shoot both from the bench/on bags to take most shooter error out of the equation and see what the differences really are. Having been a long time deer hunter with quality revolvers and 100+yard kills, I know I wouldn't trade my hand cannons for even the finest auto and expect that kind of performance (although I have been carrying a 10mm auto the past couple deer seasons in the hopes of scoring a Bambi with it). Regarding the head-shot/mass shooter/terrorist topic, are you familiar with Gabe Suarez? He's a pretty hard-core retired LEO who does training classes now, and right after the Dallas Police shootings, he came out with a pretty poignant article on this topic called "Center of Face Not Center of Mass". While I think we both can agree this philosophy will not fit the majority of civilian defense situations, nowadays/unfortunately, it's not 100% incomprehensible that the average Joe may indeed be faced with something similar. I know I have added some things to my own training to improve my skills in this arena. That and I now regularly practice shooting at 25 yards too. Here's the link to that article: blog.suarezinternational.com/2016/07/center-of-face-center-of-mass.html
Thank you for a very objective analysis. i watch all your presentations that I come across with close attention.
Paul, please compare a .327 Federal Mag to a .357. Id love to see the meat target results!
This corroborates everything I had already suspected. Thank you for the evidence of such, Mr. Harrell.
Awesome video! Amazing info and explained very well! Real quick funny story. My grandpa was an old school revolver man. He was a .357mag gun for carry/home defense whatever. He would always say if it wasn't a revolver it wasn't a gun. He would say there is no such thing as a good semiauto pistol. I think he watched to much John Wayne and Gun smoke lol. Every time I see a video with a .357mag revolver I think of him. :-)
LOL I've met some people just like him. Happy Christmas!
I love my revolvers, close to what I consider cool as them would have to be the Beretta 92 fs or the 1911 in the semi auto world.
theres a ridiculous cool factor in revolvers. think 70s movie with detectives carrying snub noses...doesnt get better than that
Grandpa was right. No limp wrist failures, no thumb safety, no FTF, no FTE. I still carry my Glock 19 with SW 686 .357 Magnum as a backup. NO extra mag
I Love revolvers too! I would much rather draw a second gun as reload under stress :-)
Another awesome video done by you and you are one of the best with how you put it out there , thank you.👊🏻🇺🇸
Both are such great rounds for thier respective platforms, great video Paul.
I still want to see a video on 327 Federal Magnum.
A .327 Federal Magnum vs. .38 Special/.38 Special +P/.357 would be interesting for sure.
327 far outclasses the 38. It runs with the 357.
Someone needs to come out with a little 5 shot 327. Not sure how much difference in cylinder diameter there would be over a 5 shot 357 /38 but I doubt it would be "insignificant".
Colson Customs
I don't see any benefit in that. My SP101 is a 6 shot vice its 5 shot 357 brother. Even if you could shrink the cylinder/gun down to only fit 5 shots (without leaving a ton of unused metal in the cylinder), I don't think I'd want to shoot it. What size gun are you envisioning? Anything for comparison's sake?
Colson Customs I'd rather we have more six shot, J-frame sized .38's instead. Seems like only Kimber, Charter Arms, and Rock Island Armory make something like that.
Could you try .44 magnum vs .45 colt (non-cowboy loads)
I'd wager the wounds would be indistinguishable.
44 Magnum will deliver more energy than 45acp, which will deliver more energy than 45 Long Colt. At least when you are talking about any kind of normal loads.
I would like to see a test of 45LC Bear Loads. I would guess a bear load would deliver as much energy and wounding power as most normal 45acp and 44 Mag, but that's just my guess based on a huge bullet with a pretty hot powder load in the LC.
@@remasteredretropcgames3312 If you read the initial post in this thread, the implied question was energy delivered in 44 Mag vs 45 Colt non-cowboy loads.
What exactly does he mean by "45 Colt non-cowboy?" Does he mean 45ACP? Or 45 Long Colt loaded with something unusual, non-typical of 45LC?
"Energy" is simply measured as mass x velocity. As Paul Harrell often states, that is not the same as "effectiveness."
As an aside, Lucky Gunner has run a lot of gel tests on various ammo and has made mistaken conclusions such as "... better 357 Magnum is about as good as a typical 9mm, the gel test proves it (i.e., that 9mm is a better or more powerful round than 357 or other calibers...).
They are incorrect. What they actually tested was what percentage of their hp test loads consistently expanded about 50% or more AND penetrated in gel between 12" and 18". They did not test "energy" or "effectiveness."
As Paul has shown, 357 delivers both more energy and effectiveness.
Back to 44 Mag, 45ACP, and 45 LC. To answer the original thread, if you are comparing 44 Mag to 45 ACP, the 44 Mag has more energy because on a typical load with the same weight bullet, it will propel it much faster.
In the 3-bullet hierarchy, 45 ACP has more energy than 45 LC for the same reason using most normal loads for both. In other words, same size bullet is faster from 45 ACP.
Now, Bear Loads on 45 LC could be interesting. I don't have a chronometer. But it's a 325 grain bullet with a hot powder load. That's 41% heavier than 230 grain, 80% heavier than 180 grain.
Then what are you using to shoot a bear load? A Taurus Judge is going to be slower than a Henry Big Boy with a 20" barrel. But if you get say 850fps with a 325 grain bullet, the 180 grain 44 Mag would have to be at about 1530fps to have as much energy.
As far as 10mm, the original posting did not ask anything about it. Typical 10mm certainly deliver more energy than 45acp. From memory, it seems 10 mm is usually low 500 ft-lbs while 45acp is mid to upper 300's ft-lbs.
@@remasteredretropcgames3312 I don't think many people actually go bear hunting with just a pistol. Ole Daniel, of course, hunted bear with just a knife.
I think most people concerned with bear-stopping power are backpacking, camping, trail riding sort of stuff in bear country.
From what little I know, most bears won't bother you if you don't bother them. Cubs involved is the exception, I guess.
30.06 is, IMO, still the best all-around rifle caliber, though it isn't "fashionable." Ballastics are actually a tad better than .308, and either will drop anything on the planet with a well-placed shot.
If I was hiking in Alaska, I'd think about .44 Mag or 10mm, but CONUS you aren't going to encounter much 357 or 45acp can't stop if you get 6 to 11 shots.
And realistically, if you don't get the job done by then, you probably won't.
@@remasteredretropcgames3312 while I don't shoot rifles much anymore, I believe you could go to an AR10 platform in .308 (7.62mm) and be well armed against anything ir anyone you encounter. Years ago I had a Browning Lever Rifle in .308 that I greatly regret having sold.
Since I'm not planning on a barbecue in Yellowstone or Siberia, I think the likelihood of having to fight off 40 wolves or so is pretty remote.
Actually that's the mindset a lot of people carrying concealed have which is a little problematic.
You can see videos and comments where their mind set is clearly "oh, boy, when I run into those 17 terrorists will they be surprised when I open up with my concealed carry minigun and 7,000 spare rounds I carry!"
Reality is for civilian CC, your job is to protect and disengage if possible. In probably 95%+ of the time, there will be three or less bad guys, and most will run or quit once they encounter armed opposition.
There is a far greater concern of rounds missing and going no telling where if one pops off 17 rounds as quickly as they can.
My most common CC is a G30SF. At times I'll carry a 9mm with up to 45 total rounds, or a .22 with 6 rounds and a spare mag.
With 12 or more rounds of anything, if I don't solve things, odds are I'm not going to anyway.
As always a good presentation. Having said that I would like to have seen a comparison of the most powerful rounds in these weapons to see what their maximum potential is. Especially if we are trying to determine which is more powerful.
This guy is awesome. So much information delivered in such a well-organized and understandable way!
Just to Inform you guys. A 357 sig. is a .40 s&w case necked down to take a 9mm bullet. When you take a 10mm case and neck it down to 9mm it becomes a 9x25 Dillion caliber. A Glock 20 with a 9x25 Dillon barrel will fire a 125 grain projectile at 1700 FPS w/ 800 Ft. lbs. of muzzle energy. I have this set up for my Glock 20. It’s definitely awesome. Underwood and Doubletap both load this Ammo. It’s basically the same price as 10mm or anything else.
For all of you guys that watch this channel I salute you. Paul Harrells videos in my opinion are the best ones I’ve seen here. Thanks Paul!!!
Or shoot 125gr Underwood 357 magnum ammo out of a 6” barrel for the same fps and energy.