Bad idea for the STI to come back. Subaru has already F'd up their pricing scale with the new WRX, they bumped a what used to be brand new $26k wrx up to what a brand new STI price was... so if they did bring back an STI, it's going to be priced $55-60k... which they know they can't do as a majority of their consumers can't afford that. Until Subaru brings the price of the WRX back down to reality, they can never justify selling a 55k-60 STI
Shoot the new Toyota Corolla GR does not cut it, the engine it comes with can’t even make 400 hp without putting big bucks into its engine, the WRX just bolt ons and a tune! I’ll take the WRX any day over the GR … they both make the same gas mileage, and the wrx has room for friends and family to sit in the back! I like the type R but the mark up is hideous!!
I just wished subaru made the WRX a hatchback. I don’t really mind the plastic cladding. But Subaru, PLEASE make the wrx shorter, lower the roofline, make it just a little more competetive…
And here goes the boring videos talking about stuff nobody cares about lol Subaru knows what it doing. No car brand is doing good right now because of the economy. So why would they rush to put out a car in this market? Crazy how TH-camrs think they know what's best for a car manufacturer lol
They aren’t bringing the sti back. Subaru isn’t going to make money selling 2000 stis a year. Literally throwing away all the r&d money for nothing. These guys are just to get views
I'm with ya, his other videos just keep making me feel depressed about buying this car. I wish dude would just make some positive content and stop rambling on like he thinks he knows what's best. This whole video could have been an email.
@ yeah I don't get it. He just tuned his car was so excited about it lol I think we'd all love an sti but this VB one hell of a car especially for the price. It's hands down the best WRX ever made and if you want to compare it to an sti they're pretty damn close. Besides the transmission it's just as good if not better. You can get more power out of it with less mods and less money.
@@samjaw82 I mean, senior editor for Motortrend says the STI IS coming back. Unless you have better inside knowledge than he does I'm going to take his word over yours.
I'm a 2020 STI owner and I hope Subaru brings back the STI. Subaru never gave us all the best reason why they got rid of the STI. I get complements on my BlueBaru everyday and I'm so proud to be apart of this community. Subies forever everyone.
I agree, HP is not everything. I've tracked a tuned VB against a 2022 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 with 760HP and he can't keep up with me on the turns. One thing I wish the VB had is an LSD. To me that is the biggest weakness on these cars, but again most people won't care about this because most people don't track or autoX their car.
I bought my 22 limited 2 months ago. The sales numbers are terrible. But I will say, in the last few weeks, I've seen 3 new ones. So IDK maybe we are hitting an upswing. Hopefully.
I dont think people necessarily want an STI.. I think they just want a WRX with a better 6-speed and an adjustable differential. Subaru fans will continue to have a strong aftermarket culture regardless.
They don't care about enthusiasts as much because they alone will not sustain them. Biggest sellers are plain Jane SUV's. All sedans are fading from existence, it's not brand specific. I'm just happy we have ANY somewhat affordable sports cars while we have them.
Sadly there is a bad stigma because a lot of young kids get these cars in high school. Try to impress their friends or girlfriends realize the payment was too much then they run the crap out of them, try to sell them before the motors blow or clutches go out. Cops stereotype the cars and drivers into a certain category. I’m in the process of getting a 2018 STI Limited because the STI was always my dream car in HS (Graduated 08) with almost 54,000 they want 28,000. It looks and sounds like it was taken care of and well maintained no mods except the gearshift knob and regular on time maintenance. But I’m getting nervous the more and more that ive been watch people’s videos…..
Also I plan on keeping it base no mods or tunes but I’ll do a AOS seporator, oil pan and baffle tray and an oil pick up tube but that’s it. Much love from the Mountains of Boone NC
The only thing you're getting out of the WRX tS is a white, blue, or purple exterior with a blue interior, the copper-ish Brembo brakes, and EyeSight Technolgy paired to the manual transmission. If you are a Subie diehard, or if this is your first car buying experience and you just have to have the fully loaded WRX tS with all the bells and whistles, then it is the perfect car for you outside of AWD. AWD is nothing to ride home about, but that's a tiring rant for another time. Other than that, $46,875 for a tS is 2021 WRX STI Limited and 2020 WRX STI Series White money (give or take) and both of those have the same hp, but way more than the VB WRX tS. In conclusion, the WRX tS is going to be a huge bust and Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America need to call a last minute audible and bring back the STI on the VB WRX platform and call that audible now. If anyone is that concerned about the STI not having an engine, what's wrong with SOJ and SOA banding together and going to Porsche to get the 2.5T Flat Four Boxer engine from the 718 Boxster that makes 350hp and 309lb-ft of tq? That will far more sufficient and far more worth the price and letting the STI Division do their STI things like they did with the VA gen STI, a VB gen STI (while it would be pricier over a WRX tS), would be justifiable of its price tag in horsepower per dollar. The VB WRX's mid-cycle refresh will be model year 2026 in calendar year 2026 because of when the WRX tS enters the chat. Even if we can get a VB WRX STI just for 3 model years, 2026-2028MY, that's more than enough time for STI diehards to cash in on the ultimate top dog and increase WRX sales. At the end of the day, if SOJ and SOA still says no to bringing an STI, then they better not bother bringing a next gen WRX anymore after this generation. Nobody is going to want a hybrid CVT-only WRX or a transmissionless EV WRX STe because it's not what the WRX is all about and where its roots lie.
The rhing that people dont understand is that everyone is looking for an suv. Putting an sti out wouldnt matter. Thats why the legacy is going to be over after next year. I anticipate the Impreza might go as well alongside the wrx within rhe next 4 to 5 years
When the WRX and later STi came to the states they quickly became popular because they were unique, lightweight, and were fast compared to the competitors that cost a lot more. It was a a revolution in the tuning scene when most were trying to make Civics fast. You could get a AWD WRX for Civic Si money and put the smack down on Camaros and Mustangs from a dig. The WRX is no longer punching above its weight class. Everyone else has caught up and the WRX has gotten bigger than the Legacy used to be. The value proposition is no longer there. I owned an 07 STi and an 08 STi hatch. Great cars, even though I did head gaskets on both. Lost interest in them when the VAs came out. To each his own.
The current wrx is more expensive than the previous gen Sti. A new Sti would be almost $50k with carry over parts from the previous model and a small power bump. The VB wrx had a 3hp increase from the VA. I highly doubt the Sti would be making over 320hp at close to 50K is ridiculous. Not the mention the GR Corolla is a much better performance vehicle and can be had for under 40K from many dealers.
I have a '23 WRX, and it's fun to drive. However, it's the most expensive vehicle I've ever purchased ,and the most expensive vehicle for me to use as a daily driver. Gas mileage isn't so great, and that results in going to the gas station atleast once a week to fill up. If you are driving primarily in the city, all the stops and goes will give you a lot less than 19 mpg. Gas isn't cheap either, so your looking at close to 300 a month just to feed this monster. Insurance on this car is also very expensive, so even with a good driving record, you still feel like you're getting screwed. If your driving record is bad, I would stay away from this car. So looking at those three factors (price, gas mileage, and insurance), you can see why people may stay away from this vehicle. Hopefully Toyota can help Subaru out in the future, and make it to where the wrx/sti's are more fuel efficient, and get additional help thru hybrid/electric technology. Also, having a awd 'on-demand' system would improve gas mileage over an awd 'all-the-time' system. I'm ready to move on from the WRX. It was fun, but not so fun when you see how much you put in compared to what you get out of it. A Lexus Ct200h may not be as fast or powerful, but atleast I'll have more money in my pocket at the end of month. 43+ mpg in the city trump's 19 mpg any day.
No offense but you're a complete moron. Did you not do any research before purchasing your WRX? You're seriously suggesting for Subaru to change their tried & true full time symmetrical AWD system just for the sake of a few MPG?
I dont think it's ugly...well, then again yeah stock it is. Easily fixed. What's not easily fixed is a motor that is so easy to make power but the inability to handle the power without grenading. It's needs the sti trans and brakes. The rest we can do relatively cheaply. They can make a $50/$60k sti but that won't be the market I'm in or anyone I know interested in these. For that money there's just better options.
you wouldn't be happy with 380HP factory? what segment do you think this car competes in? the STI sits in the Focus RS/Type-R realm of things you're wild asking for 450 out of the box, literally never going to happen.
The wrx is a 4 cylinder car. Why do we NEED to compete with V6 or V8. If you want to go fast, the new 1000hp C8 is coming out soon. Go buy that. No one here cares about your highway pulls.
Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America have shot themselves in the foot. $46,875 is outrageous. No extra horsepower and torque means that this car is DEAD ON ARRIVAL (DOA) when this car hits dealership lots and showroom floors in January 2025. $34,000 will get you an manual transmission Elantra N with 276hp and 289lb-ft. $39,000 will get you in a GR Corolla Core with 300hp and 273lb-ft, but step up to the Premium trim (formerly the Circuit Edition) at $42,000 and it bumps the tq up to 295lb-ft and same for the Premium Plus (formerly the Morizo Edition) at $46,000 and change making it only a $205.00 difference between the GR Corolla Premium Plus and the WRX. The FL5 Civic Type R is $44,000, granted you can find one at MSRP and has 315hp and 310lb-ft. The MK8.5 is $45,000 and that too is 315hp, but 288lb-ft. Also, after the 2024MY Golf R's, there will be no more manual transmission going into the 2025 and 2026 model year Golf R's. If you're really feeling froggy and want to take a leap, you can spend an extra $6,000-7,000 on an Integra Type S and get 320hp and 310lb-ft and it's manual-only and as long as you're willing to look past no memory seats, you still get way more car for the money with the Integra Type S over the WRX tS.
I sold mine, got bored fast. Paid it off, and got something better. It's just not for me anymore. Stiff suspension, crappy brakes, and just plain slow; not enough to justify owning it. Most know what it is.
I've heard '24 WRX is best ever made. If so, let it die. These cars are sub par at best. It will be my first & last slowbaru ever from me. Can't wait to pay it off & sell to some young schmuck. These cars are not fast. At. All.
The type r is not fast from factory, GR Corolla, and the Volkswagen r is not fast from factory! If you want a fast car factory get a mustang gt, and get a factory supercharger and walla 600+hp! Just put full bolt ons and a tune on your wrx and have 400whp that’ll definitely put a smile on your face…and you can’t beat it on snow..it’s a blast to drive in!
At this rate, the WRX tS ain't worth its price either. Unless you're a first time car buyer and your a diehard Subie fan and you want a fully loaded WRX with all of the EyeSight Technology linked to a manual transmission, a blue interior with a white, blue, or purple exterior and copper-ish Brembo brake calipers, then this car is for them. Other than that, 3 measly hp from the VA gen WRX's 268hp into the VB gen WRX with 271hp and still be the same tq for both generations and no horsepower and torque increase for the tS, at least up to 295-300hp and 275-280lb-ft of tq to justify this car's price tag is asinine. I'm not interested in what aftermarket mods will do for this car to get you there. It's all about why it does not come out of the assembly plant the way it should to match the horsepower per dollar ratio. That's what it comes down to.
I just wished subaru made the WRX a hatchback. I don’t really mind the plastic cladding. But Subaru, PLEASE make the wrx shorter, lower the roofline, make it just a little more competetive…
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Bad idea for the STI to come back. Subaru has already F'd up their pricing scale with the new WRX, they bumped a what used to be brand new $26k wrx up to what a brand new STI price was... so if they did bring back an STI, it's going to be priced $55-60k... which they know they can't do as a majority of their consumers can't afford that. Until Subaru brings the price of the WRX back down to reality, they can never justify selling a 55k-60 STI
I've had 3 WRX including a 2017. I enjoy evertime I drive it
Shoot the new Toyota Corolla GR does not cut it, the engine it comes with can’t even make 400 hp without putting big bucks into its engine, the WRX just bolt ons and a tune! I’ll take the WRX any day over the GR … they both make the same gas mileage, and the wrx has room for friends and family to sit in the back! I like the type R but the mark up is hideous!!
I really wish there was a current gen STi
But no matter which gen, I’d still buy a WRX.
Rally cars are not about high HP. Only project midnight is for power.
I just wished subaru made the WRX a hatchback. I don’t really mind the plastic cladding. But Subaru, PLEASE make the wrx shorter, lower the roofline, make it just a little more competetive…
And here goes the boring videos talking about stuff nobody cares about lol Subaru knows what it doing. No car brand is doing good right now because of the economy. So why would they rush to put out a car in this market? Crazy how TH-camrs think they know what's best for a car manufacturer lol
They aren’t bringing the sti back. Subaru isn’t going to make money selling 2000 stis a year. Literally throwing away all the r&d money for nothing.
These guys are just to get views
I'm with ya, his other videos just keep making me feel depressed about buying this car. I wish dude would just make some positive content and stop rambling on like he thinks he knows what's best. This whole video could have been an email.
@ yeah I don't get it. He just tuned his car was so excited about it lol I think we'd all love an sti but this VB one hell of a car especially for the price. It's hands down the best WRX ever made and if you want to compare it to an sti they're pretty damn close. Besides the transmission it's just as good if not better. You can get more power out of it with less mods and less money.
@@samjaw82 I mean, senior editor for Motortrend says the STI IS coming back. Unless you have better inside knowledge than he does I'm going to take his word over yours.
I'm a 2020 STI owner and I hope Subaru brings back the STI. Subaru never gave us all the best reason why they got rid of the STI. I get complements on my BlueBaru everyday and I'm so proud to be apart of this community. Subies forever everyone.
I would love to see the return of the STI platform. Bring on the STI !
Most people don't need a 450hp car from the factory. I have autocrossed for years and you can rarely actually use over 400hp.
Life is not a auto cross it’s wide open freeways where 100 mph is nothing
I agree, HP is not everything. I've tracked a tuned VB against a 2022 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 with 760HP and he can't keep up with me on the turns. One thing I wish the VB had is an LSD. To me that is the biggest weakness on these cars, but again most people won't care about this because most people don't track or autoX their car.
This is actually a really great take and original thesis. keep up the goo work
450hp STI? That'll never happen
Agreed, its laughable that people actually expect subaru to give them a 4 cylinder that makes v8 muscle car power with a warranty on it lol😅.
I bought my 22 limited 2 months ago. The sales numbers are terrible. But I will say, in the last few weeks, I've seen 3 new ones. So IDK maybe we are hitting an upswing. Hopefully.
I dont think people necessarily want an STI.. I think they just want a WRX with a better 6-speed and an adjustable differential. Subaru fans will continue to have a strong aftermarket culture regardless.
Mazda would like to have a word with you, with the last statement. They want to thank you.
Look at all the TR WRX sitting on lots when the 2025 comes out TS in a week...
My access port stays turned on how do I get it to turn off when the car turns off and forward to turn on when the car turns on?
They don't care about enthusiasts as much because they alone will not sustain them. Biggest sellers are plain Jane SUV's. All sedans are fading from existence, it's not brand specific. I'm just happy we have ANY somewhat affordable sports cars while we have them.
Sadly there is a bad stigma because a lot of young kids get these cars in high school. Try to impress their friends or girlfriends realize the payment was too much then they run the crap out of them, try to sell them before the motors blow or clutches go out. Cops stereotype the cars and drivers into a certain category. I’m in the process of getting a 2018 STI Limited because the STI was always my dream car in HS (Graduated 08) with almost 54,000 they want 28,000. It looks and sounds like it was taken care of and well maintained no mods except the gearshift knob and regular on time maintenance. But I’m getting nervous the more and more that ive been watch people’s videos…..
Also I plan on keeping it base no mods or tunes but I’ll do a AOS seporator, oil pan and baffle tray and an oil pick up tube but that’s it.
Much love from the Mountains of Boone NC
The only thing you're getting out of the WRX tS is a white, blue, or purple exterior with a blue interior, the copper-ish Brembo brakes, and EyeSight Technolgy paired to the manual transmission. If you are a Subie diehard, or if this is your first car buying experience and you just have to have the fully loaded WRX tS with all the bells and whistles, then it is the perfect car for you outside of AWD. AWD is nothing to ride home about, but that's a tiring rant for another time. Other than that, $46,875 for a tS is 2021 WRX STI Limited and 2020 WRX STI Series White money (give or take) and both of those have the same hp, but way more than the VB WRX tS.
In conclusion, the WRX tS is going to be a huge bust and Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America need to call a last minute audible and bring back the STI on the VB WRX platform and call that audible now. If anyone is that concerned about the STI not having an engine, what's wrong with SOJ and SOA banding together and going to Porsche to get the 2.5T Flat Four Boxer engine from the 718 Boxster that makes 350hp and 309lb-ft of tq? That will far more sufficient and far more worth the price and letting the STI Division do their STI things like they did with the VA gen STI, a VB gen STI (while it would be pricier over a WRX tS), would be justifiable of its price tag in horsepower per dollar. The VB WRX's mid-cycle refresh will be model year 2026 in calendar year 2026 because of when the WRX tS enters the chat. Even if we can get a VB WRX STI just for 3 model years, 2026-2028MY, that's more than enough time for STI diehards to cash in on the ultimate top dog and increase WRX sales.
At the end of the day, if SOJ and SOA still says no to bringing an STI, then they better not bother bringing a next gen WRX anymore after this generation. Nobody is going to want a hybrid CVT-only WRX or a transmissionless EV WRX STe because it's not what the WRX is all about and where its roots lie.
The rhing that people dont understand is that everyone is looking for an suv. Putting an sti out wouldnt matter. Thats why the legacy is going to be over after next year. I anticipate the Impreza might go as well alongside the wrx within rhe next 4 to 5 years
When the WRX and later STi came to the states they quickly became popular because they were unique, lightweight, and were fast compared to the competitors that cost a lot more. It was a a revolution in the tuning scene when most were trying to make Civics fast. You could get a AWD WRX for Civic Si money and put the smack down on Camaros and Mustangs from a dig.
The WRX is no longer punching above its weight class. Everyone else has caught up and the WRX has gotten bigger than the Legacy used to be. The value proposition is no longer there. I owned an 07 STi and an 08 STi hatch. Great cars, even though I did head gaskets on both. Lost interest in them when the VAs came out. To each his own.
The current wrx is more expensive than the previous gen Sti. A new Sti would be almost $50k with carry over parts from the previous model and a small power bump. The VB wrx had a 3hp increase from the VA. I highly doubt the Sti would be making over 320hp at close to 50K is ridiculous. Not the mention the GR Corolla is a much better performance vehicle and can be had for under 40K from many dealers.
I have a '23 WRX, and it's fun to drive. However, it's the most expensive vehicle I've ever purchased ,and the most expensive vehicle for me to use as a daily driver.
Gas mileage isn't so great, and that results in going to the gas station atleast once a week to fill up. If you are driving primarily in the city, all the stops and goes will give you a lot less than 19 mpg. Gas isn't cheap either, so your looking at close to 300 a month just to feed this monster.
Insurance on this car is also very expensive, so even with a good driving record, you still feel like you're getting screwed. If your driving record is bad, I would stay away from this car.
So looking at those three factors (price, gas mileage, and insurance), you can see why people may stay away from this vehicle.
Hopefully Toyota can help Subaru out in the future, and make it to where the wrx/sti's are more fuel efficient, and get additional help thru hybrid/electric technology. Also, having a awd 'on-demand' system would improve gas mileage over an awd 'all-the-time' system.
I'm ready to move on from the WRX. It was fun, but not so fun when you see how much you put in compared to what you get out of it. A Lexus Ct200h may not be as fast or powerful, but atleast I'll have more money in my pocket at the end of month. 43+ mpg in the city trump's 19 mpg any day.
If you can't afford a car you shouldn't buy one lol you should've done research before you bought it.
No offense but you're a complete moron. Did you not do any research before purchasing your WRX? You're seriously suggesting for Subaru to change their tried & true full time symmetrical AWD system just for the sake of a few MPG?
I can afford it bro. Just don't want to keep spending money if it doesn't bring me any joy.
@ all your complaints were about money lol you bit off more than you can chew because you didn't do enough research before making the purchase.
LoL. You comparing a gas mileage between CT200H and WRX? 🤦
You may wanna check out a Prius so you can get 50mpg. You don't buy WRX for mpg.
I dont think it's ugly...well, then again yeah stock it is. Easily fixed. What's not easily fixed is a motor that is so easy to make power but the inability to handle the power without grenading. It's needs the sti trans and brakes. The rest we can do relatively cheaply. They can make a $50/$60k sti but that won't be the market I'm in or anyone I know interested in these. For that money there's just better options.
Replace every time you said WRX with BRZ...same deal. Subaru doesn't seem to care. 2013 WRX hatch and BRZ tS owner here.
Didnt the wrx sell more than its competition though?
It’s just too ugly for the price. Doesn’t look sporty at all
you wouldn't be happy with 380HP factory? what segment do you think this car competes in? the STI sits in the Focus RS/Type-R realm of things you're wild asking for 450 out of the box, literally never going to happen.
The wrx is a 4 cylinder car. Why do we NEED to compete with V6 or V8. If you want to go fast, the new 1000hp C8 is coming out soon. Go buy that. No one here cares about your highway pulls.
Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America have shot themselves in the foot. $46,875 is outrageous. No extra horsepower and torque means that this car is DEAD ON ARRIVAL (DOA) when this car hits dealership lots and showroom floors in January 2025.
$34,000 will get you an manual transmission Elantra N with 276hp and 289lb-ft. $39,000 will get you in a GR Corolla Core with 300hp and 273lb-ft, but step up to the Premium trim (formerly the Circuit Edition) at $42,000 and it bumps the tq up to 295lb-ft and same for the Premium Plus (formerly the Morizo Edition) at $46,000 and change making it only a $205.00 difference between the GR Corolla Premium Plus and the WRX.
The FL5 Civic Type R is $44,000, granted you can find one at MSRP and has 315hp and 310lb-ft. The MK8.5 is $45,000 and that too is 315hp, but 288lb-ft. Also, after the 2024MY Golf R's, there will be no more manual transmission going into the 2025 and 2026 model year Golf R's. If you're really feeling froggy and want to take a leap, you can spend an extra $6,000-7,000 on an Integra Type S and get 320hp and 310lb-ft and it's manual-only and as long as you're willing to look past no memory seats, you still get way more car for the money with the Integra Type S over the WRX tS.
I sold my sti and got my 24 mustang gt for 47k with some options. Its crazy that a wrx is going for the same price
At this point an STI will be 55k msrp
Lol idk about 450. I'd say 350. I'm sure the next gen will have an sti.
Get a throttle controller your 1st gear will be much better
NAH!!! I want the value of my STI to go up, lol
The next wrx will be all electric 😂
or at LEAST a WRX powered crosstrek.
Hope it’s not an EV golf cart.
I sold mine, got bored fast. Paid it off, and got something better. It's just not for me anymore. Stiff suspension, crappy brakes, and just plain slow; not enough to justify owning it. Most know what it is.
The cars are unreliable
100%
CARB!!!! It will never happen with the VB FA24. They are sick of loud Subaru’s. They want to push EV for our country!!!!!!
I've heard '24 WRX is best ever made. If so, let it die. These cars are sub par at best. It will be my first & last slowbaru ever from me. Can't wait to pay it off & sell to some young schmuck. These cars are not fast. At. All.
Don't know why you even bought it. Nice waste of 30k
They’re not marketed as fast to begin with, dummy
Trade it in now 😂
What did you think you were buying a GTR ? 🤣🤣 I think it's hilarious that people buy a car without doing any research lol
The type r is not fast from factory, GR Corolla, and the Volkswagen r is not fast from factory! If you want a fast car factory get a mustang gt, and get a factory supercharger and walla 600+hp! Just put full bolt ons and a tune on your wrx and have 400whp that’ll definitely put a smile on your face…and you can’t beat it on snow..it’s a blast to drive in!
No one is going to huy a 60k sti.
At this rate, the WRX tS ain't worth its price either.
Unless you're a first time car buyer and your a diehard Subie fan and you want a fully loaded WRX with all of the EyeSight Technology linked to a manual transmission, a blue interior with a white, blue, or purple exterior and copper-ish Brembo brake calipers, then this car is for them.
Other than that, 3 measly hp from the VA gen WRX's 268hp into the VB gen WRX with 271hp and still be the same tq for both generations and no horsepower and torque increase for the tS, at least up to 295-300hp and 275-280lb-ft of tq to justify this car's price tag is asinine.
I'm not interested in what aftermarket mods will do for this car to get you there. It's all about why it does not come out of the assembly plant the way it should to match the horsepower per dollar ratio. That's what it comes down to.
I just wished subaru made the WRX a hatchback. I don’t really mind the plastic cladding. But Subaru, PLEASE make the wrx shorter, lower the roofline, make it just a little more competetive…