As a previous owner of a 13 WRX and now 21 STI… couple of things. Prior to getting my STI I test drove a 23 VB… very comfortable, felt like a great driver. I felt not text driving an STI would be an injustice. Here’s my conclusion, the STI was my dream car, in this modern day of technology. These area are not fast, quick yes. Money to power ratio this is the wrong platform. With that said , I feel you buy these cars for the driving experience. And the STI is more raw and the better driving experience which is subjective that most people would agree on. STI all day for driving experience and VB all day for comfort
Dude, just wanted to say that this is an awesome breakdown. I have an 09 STI with a mod list that's like 10 paragraphs long and I'm only somewhere in the realm of 375. I've been hearing rumblings about how great the FA24 is for performance and tuning, so it's incredible to see the actual math behind it!! I remember people complaining somewhere around the last few MYs of the STI that they're STILL using the EJ, but now there's people defending it. The irony is hilarious lmao. Ignore the haters! Also, I got to the end. Judging by the other comments, I'd say not a lot of other people have lol
Stage 2 vb here, haven’t lost to an STI yet, have probably lined up with a dozen or so over the past 2 years, some modded, some probably stock, I’m stage 2+ making 335/375.
yes, just keep worrying about losing to STI in drag race, while many STI owners could care less about straight line drag race. That's not what they're designed for. There's a reason STI, EVO, and GTR from Japan all come with front Limited-Slip differential, Center DCCD/AYS/ATESSA diff, and Rear Limited-Slip differential, for amazing handling. Not all Subaru AWD is the same, new VB WRX has front open diff and rear open diff with brakepad torque vectoring straight out of the Forester SUV? But at least many VB owners "feel" it's amazing handling, one VB owner even say he can outhandle my GTR.
I live in a small town, there are about 7 vb, atleast that are involved in the local ca scene anyway, with varying degrees of modifications. I’ve beaten them all. I’ve put a lot into my sti, currently it puts downs 550whp 450 tq on 23 psi. When you race someone you’re not only racing their car, you’re racing their wallet as well.
@@lucian7182 500+ whp sti’s are few and far between, even 400+ whp sti’s are hard to come by. You don’t know who has a built block and put 20k into their car. Most will invest 10k into their Sti which gets you the same power levels as a Vb with 5k. Also, 9 times out of 10 cars roll up on one another on the highway and roll race. Very seldomly you’ll be on a backroad and slalom with another enthusiast. The Vb is a lot more rigid than the Va, it’s definitely more capable on track. Every test, review, and comparison video out there on social media confirms this. I understand the Sti loyalty, but Subaru built a better platform with the Vb. If/when you swap an STI transmission into it then what’s there left to say? That the cars design is the dealbreaker? I rather have an original design than a carbon copy of an Evo when Subaru decided to rip off Mitsubishi because they wanted to capitalize on the market from the Evo being discontinued…
EJ are great, but the VB is certainly bringing the power. There's a reason Subaru stepped away FINALLY from the EJ which has been out for nearly 2 decades with minimum changes.
What would the weight difference be if the VB had STI brakes and transmission? Everyone wants to accelerate more, but then the braking capacity becomes much more important.
Great video. Very helpful. I was on the fence about the wrx vs STI, which one to purchase. But the WRX is not only starting to look more cosmetically appealing to me now, but knowing the amount of power you can achieve for less than the STI really sways me towards the new WRX. Besides, I've seen many videos that show the new WRX with UEL headers that really unleashes that boxer sound. Will Subaru launch a new STI is truly anyone's guess. For now, the new WRX is the way to go.
Good video to know the vb cost less to make more power. Which car is better in a circuit of track though is what most people that are after these cars are interested in
@@AutoEnthusiast who do you recommend? I'm located North Idaho. Bader Built Racing is probably the closest tuner I have. But I think he specializes more on the EJ motor. I was leaning towards Dman or Clark Turner 🤷
@@boonefreeman5384 dmann for sure, ill have a full “how to etune” video coming out in a week or so with him. He tunes around safety and not pushing the limits, which although sounds less exciting, sometimes making 10whp less but having more safety means the car lasting
I always ask these things but I'm not sure I get the answer. So if you modify both of these cars to stage two, and you are not tracking these cars. Meaning they are only going to be for road use. What's the longevity prospectus for each one? Can you get 200,000 mi out of them without having to do an engine rebuild?
Great question, and hard to answer in just a comment. Yes and no. Yes in that some will be fine with long term maintenance and no that most won’t. It has everything to do with driving and care, well 90-95%. If you care for it, and drive it like a normal vehicle then sure it will go pretty far. The more strain you put on it the more you have a chance for a catastrophic event. With more power will always come more maintenance. Not engine rebuilds, but faster intervals because there is more strain on parts. But also understand at the core what tuning is, it’s removing the factors of safety built into the engine, components, engine operation, and engine parameters. Those factors of safety insulate you from unique events that could damage your car, spikes in boost, odd weather or temp conditions, elevation, and so on. As you remove the factors of safety to make more power, your insulation to events that could be catastrophic decreases.
@@AutoEnthusiast I don't have any follow-up questions because your answer was so thorough. I am responding just to help with the algorithm I know it's better for you the more responses you get. I wish I could fire off a thousand comments for you but I'm afraid I can't as I'm a lowly human and not a bot. I've never owned a Subaru, my mother had an Impreza last generation I think the one that came out in 2012, but that was an automatic. As someone that's only bought manual transmission cars myself I actually thought that car with the CVT was fine. I never understood the rationale that car enthusiast would complain about cvts nor on the other hand did I understand why manufacturers would always insist on putting in simulated shifts with the cvts. The car enthusiasts are not going to buy the cvts, and the non-enthusiasts don't give a shit whether the car simulates an automatic transmission shift or not. So they're just missing out on years of actually tuning the cars for pure efficiency and driving Dynamics for the average driver.
The VB Wrx will make better numbers with simple bolt ons and through the first couple of stages. However, that’s largely because of how modern the engine and fuel system is compared to a 20year old ej design. It’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison. A more accurate comparison would be if the sti had larger injectors and slightly larger turbo and elh. That would put it on the level of where the VB starts. The oem sti turbo caps out around 350 whp on e85.
Not only that, but STI owners don't care about drag racing in straight line like all VB owners talk about. There's a reason STI, EVO, and GTR from Japan all come with front Limited-Slip differential, Center DCCD/AYS/ATESSA diff, and Rear Limited-Slip differential, for amazing handling. But since you're obviously not a car enthusiast, let me guess, to you all AWD is the same and you ignore the fact new WRX has front open diff and rear open diff with brakepad torque vectoring straight out of the Forester SUV? But to many VB owners, they feel their car is the ultimate handling machine, some VB owners even say they can out handle my GTR or my buddies M4 😂
@@carlosmendoza967really so you would say comparing the 2004 Honda civic to the 2024 Honda civic in terms of performance and apples to apples comparison , come on bro 😎 please explain to me how a 20 years old design (ej) compared to the vb is apples to apples.
@@zombielivesmatter7294why did you literally copy and paste your trash talk response here. Do you think I give a F about those ugly ass VB’s? Pass I’m good with my 550whp 21 sti buddy.
had a va wrx and loved it was thinking about getting a vb but got a type r instead things happened with the car so i had to get rid of it have a 2015 si right now love that car perfect daily but thinking about getting another car and the new ts wrx has really peaked my interest its either a ts or a tr which ever one love the vb platform and really excited to get back into a subaru
Are your numbers from Cobb provided by pro tuners? I have a 17 sti with all the stage 2 mods you mentioned and it put down 327/375 in Albuquerque where the elevation is higher than just about everywhere else so your numbers may not be accurate but interesting video! That weight difference tho.
I kinda wish they didn’t push the whole eyesight thing on the 24+ models but other than that i love my vb . Personally i prefer the looks of the Va but if im paying upwards of 40k for a car id rather it be new and not used
😅 I think most people would have brain figured that the FA24 was about 10% better quote on quote then the EJ. Though I think you would have to adjust the real world cost to you know the Subaru community as a whole as the EJ is an older platform The prices for different components can be had at a bargain basically. Take I think the stage 2 EJ kit runs injectors . Who would pay retail prices for 105 cc injectors. They can easily be had for 50% retail.
A wrx is like a happy meal... the STI is like a 12oz Ribeye There's no comparison lol, the fact that people try to compare is because they are insecure about having the new crosstrek wrx and want to feel better about their poor decision to buy one
This is SO SILLY, you do know STI owners could care less about DRAG RACING in a straight line? That's not what they're designed for. There's a reason STI, EVO, and GTR from Japan all come with front Limited-Slip differential, Center DCCD/AYS/ATESSA diff, and Rear Limited-Slip differential, for amazing handling. But since you're obviously not a car enthusiast, let me guess, to you all AWD is the same and you ignore the fact new WRX has front open diff and rear open diff with brakepad torque vectoring straight out of the Forester SUV? But let me guess, it "feels" like it handles well to you and all "AWD" is the same to you.
spot on! all vb owners ever talk about comparing to STI is hp and drag racing, vb owners will never understand STI is about what you said having LSDs all around like the EVO too.
The video doesn't make track performance claims, it just compares power to power. Whether sti owners care is irrelevant, it's not the point of the video.
I was just comparing power to power, I agree with all of the above in terms of driving components and handling. With the small small grey area around built VBs and how they perform on the track. With a little money, they are pretty close to equal on a track. Add lesser driving conditions, the diff and a few other aspects make the STI the better of the two by a country mile.
This is just a video talking about engine per engine.. what do you want any video that talks about wrxs to have a disclaimer listing the differences between a wrx and an sti? There are obviously many more components to car enjoyment than just power and neither car is fast really, but you can compare aspect for aspect. I prefered my 2011 sti in many ways when i lived near mountains.. i now live in a more long sweepy country road area and appreciate the 2023 wrx as much or more for driving those. Both are good, but its ok to compare the engines. It's going to be ok 😌
Hey hey! I honestly think the rest of the car is better, you would be better off building out a VB to compete against an STI, and take all the benefits of the car itself and comfort.
@@AutoEnthusiast ah fair enough; I guess it would be more of a consideration for folks who really need the STI diff, but dont want to swap the drivetrain. from what I see an engine swap is much simpler.
I have no problem with the 3k it would take for a shop to put me into stage 2. My only problem is the risk that comes with the modification. If I knew my 7 year warranty would still be intact I’d do it in a heartbeat. I just feel like it’s giving my baby drugs lol yes it increases performance but is it also hurting the car? Yes lol there’s just no way a modified car goes as long as a stock car, and that’s what has me hesitant. Even tho I want more power soooo bad lol
I enjoy the attempt to compare these things but you don't take into consideration if they both had the same turbo. How similar the numbers would look. I'm sorry but till they are on equal air pumps they won't be comparable, I would like to see base numbers without a turbo first. Then place the same turbo on them. You then would see a true comparison of these 2 motors. And nobody discusses how a d.i. engine has cold running issues such as low rpm detonation. All d.i. gas engines experience this the only oem solution has been both port and d.i. injection. Like on the mustang and gr86.
The point is that they don't have the same turbo. He's comparing them pound for pound with the mod stage. "you don't take into consideration that if you put a jet turbine and a flux capacitor on the sti it would be faster"
I am kind of pushing the fact that what you are saying is essentially true, but most folks don't want to drop 3-5k on a turbo and associated tuning, and then 4-6k on associated parts because you might as well at that point. Just attacking the age old question, of in playing field, which generates more power!
Tmic+ Ets intake+ETS chrge pipe and a conservative protune yielded 343 WHP and over 350 Tq. On 93. The turbo surge is more progressive and realistically the power/torque cirves are so flat rhat the car is immensely enjoyable/drivable whith the extra oompf when you need/want it. Stock the VB is great but at stage 2 it really comes alive.
I stopped watching when he said stage 2 for sti is all those mods lol it’s literally an intake , turbo back exhaust and tune. This guy is ridiculously biased. I have dyno sheets from same tuner on same dyno where sti makes more stock and more on stage 2 the parts you mentioned for sti stage 2 is what is considered stage 3 but the vb makes similar power cheaper. Fact… also sti drives much better and enthusiast all agree sti has better drive train and suspension. Not even a comparison.
Heres then thing....and why this comparison is stupid.....the 2.4 is ALL NEW....the 2.5 is what now...? three decades old....ya....theres going to be a huge difference. Not to mention Subaru in there infinite wisdom never changed the 2.5 significantly through the years.
I'm surprised that there is no mention of exhaust. I would think that is part of making more power. Taking in a lot more air than stock but not opening up the exhaust to let it out doesn't sound right to me. Deep breaths in and tiny breaths out? 🫤
Both rides don't see the same gains as the VA WRX will with a jpipe. An intermediate pipe on the VB and maybe downpipe for the STI but for the EJ you get into new turbo realm quickly. Ill have a more pro-tuned comparison coming soon!
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Loving these comparisons, facts not stupid clickbait
Thanks!! I really like doing the math lol
As a previous owner of a 13 WRX and now 21 STI… couple of things. Prior to getting my STI I test drove a 23 VB… very comfortable, felt like a great driver. I felt not text driving an STI would be an injustice.
Here’s my conclusion, the STI was my dream car, in this modern day of technology. These area are not fast, quick yes. Money to power ratio this is the wrong platform. With that said , I feel you buy these cars for the driving experience. And the STI is more raw and the better driving experience which is subjective that most people would agree on. STI all day for driving experience and VB all day for comfort
^agreed, like very much agree. I will eventually have an STI in the driveway.
Stage 1 feels really amazing on the VB for daily use 👌🏼
Very true! Would you ever go e-tune with an intake for a little more fun noises and power?
Dude, just wanted to say that this is an awesome breakdown. I have an 09 STI with a mod list that's like 10 paragraphs long and I'm only somewhere in the realm of 375. I've been hearing rumblings about how great the FA24 is for performance and tuning, so it's incredible to see the actual math behind it!!
I remember people complaining somewhere around the last few MYs of the STI that they're STILL using the EJ, but now there's people defending it. The irony is hilarious lmao. Ignore the haters!
Also, I got to the end. Judging by the other comments, I'd say not a lot of other people have lol
I have a 22 VB. 326whp with just an ETS intake, pro tuned. I have added RAE intermediate, and ETS catback since then. sounds amazing.
Great video.
Stage 2 vb here, haven’t lost to an STI yet, have probably lined up with a dozen or so over the past 2 years, some modded, some probably stock, I’m stage 2+ making 335/375.
Just had mine tuned and ended up making 360/370. This platform is just so good
yes, just keep worrying about losing to STI in drag race, while many STI owners could care less about straight line drag race. That's not what they're designed for. There's a reason STI, EVO, and GTR from Japan all come with front Limited-Slip differential, Center DCCD/AYS/ATESSA diff, and Rear Limited-Slip differential, for amazing handling. Not all Subaru AWD is the same, new VB WRX has front open diff and rear open diff with brakepad torque vectoring straight out of the Forester SUV? But at least many VB owners "feel" it's amazing handling, one VB owner even say he can outhandle my GTR.
I live in a small town, there are about 7 vb, atleast that are involved in the local ca scene anyway, with varying degrees of modifications. I’ve beaten them all. I’ve put a lot into my sti, currently it puts downs 550whp 450 tq on 23 psi. When you race someone you’re not only racing their car, you’re racing their wallet as well.
Spot on, racing is about racing someone's wallet
@@lucian7182 500+ whp sti’s are few and far between, even 400+ whp sti’s are hard to come by. You don’t know who has a built block and put 20k into their car. Most will invest 10k into their Sti which gets you the same power levels as a Vb with 5k. Also, 9 times out of 10 cars roll up on one another on the highway and roll race. Very seldomly you’ll be on a backroad and slalom with another enthusiast. The Vb is a lot more rigid than the Va, it’s definitely more capable on track. Every test, review, and comparison video out there on social media confirms this. I understand the Sti loyalty, but Subaru built a better platform with the Vb. If/when you swap an STI transmission into it then what’s there left to say? That the cars design is the dealbreaker? I rather have an original design than a carbon copy of an Evo when Subaru decided to rip off Mitsubishi because they wanted to capitalize on the market from the Evo being discontinued…
Your channel is immensely underrated, keep up the great content I love it!
Thanks!! Making my day over here!
Great engineering comparison
Thanks!
Excellent vidéo as usual! Very educational.
Excellent comparo! Do all the videos!
Thanks! Will do!
EJ are great, but the VB is certainly bringing the power. There's a reason Subaru stepped away FINALLY from the EJ which has been out for nearly 2 decades with minimum changes.
Was waiting for this :)
There are going to be a few more interesting ones coming out lol
Thank you
No problem!
What would the weight difference be if the VB had STI brakes and transmission? Everyone wants to accelerate more, but then the braking capacity becomes much more important.
Great video. Very helpful. I was on the fence about the wrx vs STI, which one to purchase. But the WRX is not only starting to look more cosmetically appealing to me now, but knowing the amount of power you can achieve for less than the STI really sways me towards the new WRX. Besides, I've seen many videos that show the new WRX with UEL headers that really unleashes that boxer sound. Will Subaru launch a new STI is truly anyone's guess. For now, the new WRX is the way to go.
Good video to know the vb cost less to make more power. Which car is better in a circuit of track though is what most people that are after these cars are interested in
Both are fun daily 🔥
i just ordered a acess port and Ti exhaust for my VB. im excited!
oo nice!! I highly recommend getting a etune eventually too!
@@AutoEnthusiast who do you recommend? I'm located North Idaho. Bader Built Racing is probably the closest tuner I have. But I think he specializes more on the EJ motor. I was leaning towards Dman or Clark Turner 🤷
@@boonefreeman5384 dmann for sure, ill have a full “how to etune” video coming out in a week or so with him. He tunes around safety and not pushing the limits, which although sounds less exciting, sometimes making 10whp less but having more safety means the car lasting
@@AutoEnthusiast looking forward to the video 👍
I hear you loud and clear , I will preach the gospel to everyone with ears !!!
lol what?
I always ask these things but I'm not sure I get the answer. So if you modify both of these cars to stage two, and you are not tracking these cars. Meaning they are only going to be for road use. What's the longevity prospectus for each one? Can you get 200,000 mi out of them without having to do an engine rebuild?
Great question, and hard to answer in just a comment. Yes and no. Yes in that some will be fine with long term maintenance and no that most won’t. It has everything to do with driving and care, well 90-95%. If you care for it, and drive it like a normal vehicle then sure it will go pretty far. The more strain you put on it the more you have a chance for a catastrophic event. With more power will always come more maintenance. Not engine rebuilds, but faster intervals because there is more strain on parts.
But also understand at the core what tuning is, it’s removing the factors of safety built into the engine, components, engine operation, and engine parameters. Those factors of safety insulate you from unique events that could damage your car, spikes in boost, odd weather or temp conditions, elevation, and so on. As you remove the factors of safety to make more power, your insulation to events that could be catastrophic decreases.
@@AutoEnthusiast I don't have any follow-up questions because your answer was so thorough. I am responding just to help with the algorithm I know it's better for you the more responses you get. I wish I could fire off a thousand comments for you but I'm afraid I can't as I'm a lowly human and not a bot.
I've never owned a Subaru, my mother had an Impreza last generation I think the one that came out in 2012, but that was an automatic. As someone that's only bought manual transmission cars myself I actually thought that car with the CVT was fine.
I never understood the rationale that car enthusiast would complain about cvts nor on the other hand did I understand why manufacturers would always insist on putting in simulated shifts with the cvts. The car enthusiasts are not going to buy the cvts, and the non-enthusiasts don't give a shit whether the car simulates an automatic transmission shift or not. So they're just missing out on years of actually tuning the cars for pure efficiency and driving Dynamics for the average driver.
I appreciate the comment! I just replaced belt and pulley on a 2012 impreza sport, solid cars!
The VB Wrx will make better numbers with simple bolt ons and through the first couple of stages. However, that’s largely because of how modern the engine and fuel system is compared to a 20year old ej design. It’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison. A more accurate comparison would be if the sti had larger injectors and slightly larger turbo and elh. That would put it on the level of where the VB starts. The oem sti turbo caps out around 350 whp on e85.
No. Apples to apples is how he compared it in the video.
Not only that, but STI owners don't care about drag racing in straight line like all VB owners talk about. There's a reason STI, EVO, and GTR from Japan all come with front Limited-Slip differential, Center DCCD/AYS/ATESSA diff, and Rear Limited-Slip differential, for amazing handling. But since you're obviously not a car enthusiast, let me guess, to you all AWD is the same and you ignore the fact new WRX has front open diff and rear open diff with brakepad torque vectoring straight out of the Forester SUV? But to many VB owners, they feel their car is the ultimate handling machine, some VB owners even say they can out handle my GTR or my buddies M4 😂
@@carlosmendoza967really so you would say comparing the 2004 Honda civic to the 2024 Honda civic in terms of performance and apples to apples comparison , come on bro 😎 please explain to me how a 20 years old design (ej) compared to the vb is apples to apples.
@@zombielivesmatter7294why did you literally copy and paste your trash talk response here. Do you think I give a F about those ugly ass VB’s? Pass I’m good with my 550whp 21 sti buddy.
had a va wrx and loved it was thinking about getting a vb but got a type r instead things happened with the car so i had to get rid of it have a 2015 si right now love that car perfect daily but thinking about getting another car and the new ts wrx has really peaked my interest its either a ts or a tr which ever one love the vb platform and really excited to get back into a subaru
Are your numbers from Cobb provided by pro tuners? I have a 17 sti with all the stage 2 mods you mentioned and it put down 327/375 in Albuquerque where the elevation is higher than just about everywhere else so your numbers may not be accurate but interesting video! That weight difference tho.
I kinda wish they didn’t push the whole eyesight thing on the 24+ models but other than that i love my vb . Personally i prefer the looks of the Va but if im paying upwards of 40k for a car id rather it be new and not used
😅 I think most people would have brain figured that the FA24 was about 10% better quote on quote then the EJ. Though I think you would have to adjust the real world cost to you know the Subaru community as a whole as the EJ is an older platform The prices for different components can be had at a bargain basically.
Take I think the stage 2 EJ kit runs injectors . Who would pay retail prices for 105 cc injectors. They can easily be had for 50% retail.
I may have gotten to the end of the video I'm not sure
I tried to fire a decent response to your last comment, add any follow up questions if you have them!
A wrx is like a happy meal... the STI is like a 12oz Ribeye
There's no comparison lol, the fact that people try to compare is because they are insecure about having the new crosstrek wrx and want to feel better about their poor decision to buy one
This is SO SILLY, you do know STI owners could care less about DRAG RACING in a straight line? That's not what they're designed for. There's a reason STI, EVO, and GTR from Japan all come with front Limited-Slip differential, Center DCCD/AYS/ATESSA diff, and Rear Limited-Slip differential, for amazing handling. But since you're obviously not a car enthusiast, let me guess, to you all AWD is the same and you ignore the fact new WRX has front open diff and rear open diff with brakepad torque vectoring straight out of the Forester SUV? But let me guess, it "feels" like it handles well to you and all "AWD" is the same to you.
spot on! all vb owners ever talk about comparing to STI is hp and drag racing, vb owners will never understand STI is about what you said having LSDs all around like the EVO too.
had some kid in a VB wonder why my EVO outhandled his car, I tried to explain what LSD were but he kept saying isn't AWD all the sme.
The video doesn't make track performance claims, it just compares power to power. Whether sti owners care is irrelevant, it's not the point of the video.
I was just comparing power to power, I agree with all of the above in terms of driving components and handling. With the small small grey area around built VBs and how they perform on the track. With a little money, they are pretty close to equal on a track. Add lesser driving conditions, the diff and a few other aspects make the STI the better of the two by a country mile.
This is just a video talking about engine per engine.. what do you want any video that talks about wrxs to have a disclaimer listing the differences between a wrx and an sti? There are obviously many more components to car enjoyment than just power and neither car is fast really, but you can compare aspect for aspect. I prefered my 2011 sti in many ways when i lived near mountains.. i now live in a more long sweepy country road area and appreciate the 2023 wrx as much or more for driving those. Both are good, but its ok to compare the engines. It's going to be ok 😌
How about buying a high mileage STI, then dropping an FA24 in it? 😏 luv from Jamaica 🇯🇲
Hey hey! I honestly think the rest of the car is better, you would be better off building out a VB to compete against an STI, and take all the benefits of the car itself and comfort.
@@AutoEnthusiast ah fair enough; I guess it would be more of a consideration for folks who really need the STI diff, but dont want to swap the drivetrain. from what I see an engine swap is much simpler.
I have no problem with the 3k it would take for a shop to put me into stage 2. My only problem is the risk that comes with the modification. If I knew my 7 year warranty would still be intact I’d do it in a heartbeat. I just feel like it’s giving my baby drugs lol yes it increases performance but is it also hurting the car? Yes lol there’s just no way a modified car goes as long as a stock car, and that’s what has me hesitant. Even tho I want more power soooo bad lol
I honestly think if you are talking about an EJ, some safety mods and a tune might be better off, with a VB hard to say.
I enjoy the attempt to compare these things but you don't take into consideration if they both had the same turbo. How similar the numbers would look. I'm sorry but till they are on equal air pumps they won't be comparable, I would like to see base numbers without a turbo first. Then place the same turbo on them. You then would see a true comparison of these 2 motors. And nobody discusses how a d.i. engine has cold running issues such as low rpm detonation. All d.i. gas engines experience this the only oem solution has been both port and d.i. injection. Like on the mustang and gr86.
The point is that they don't have the same turbo. He's comparing them pound for pound with the mod stage. "you don't take into consideration that if you put a jet turbine and a flux capacitor on the sti it would be faster"
I am kind of pushing the fact that what you are saying is essentially true, but most folks don't want to drop 3-5k on a turbo and associated tuning, and then 4-6k on associated parts because you might as well at that point. Just attacking the age old question, of in playing field, which generates more power!
Tmic+ Ets intake+ETS chrge pipe and a conservative protune yielded 343 WHP and over 350 Tq. On 93. The turbo surge is more progressive and realistically the power/torque cirves are so flat rhat the car is immensely enjoyable/drivable whith the extra oompf when you need/want it. Stock the VB is great but at stage 2 it really comes alive.
I stopped watching when he said stage 2 for sti is all those mods lol it’s literally an intake , turbo back exhaust and tune. This guy is ridiculously biased. I have dyno sheets from same tuner on same dyno where sti makes more stock and more on stage 2 the parts you mentioned for sti stage 2 is what is considered stage 3 but the vb makes similar power cheaper. Fact… also sti drives much better and enthusiast all agree sti has better drive train and suspension. Not even a comparison.
Watch the rest of the video…
Popcorn ready for the bloodbath in the comments
Yeah lol, this one will be interesting
Heres then thing....and why this comparison is stupid.....the 2.4 is ALL NEW....the 2.5 is what now...? three decades old....ya....theres going to be a huge difference. Not to mention Subaru in there infinite wisdom never changed the 2.5 significantly through the years.
The WRX might have better straight line speed, but if that’s what you care about, this is the wrong platform for you anyway.
Stop trying to over explain stuff to sound smart we're not idiots
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This was a run on sentence.
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@@cmbcmb4680 you must by fake carbon fiber from JXR PERFORMANCE and feel so cool 😎 you probably believe he " engineered " it.
Stop making comments just to be an ass. This video was well thought out and well done.
I'm surprised that there is no mention of exhaust. I would think that is part of making more power. Taking in a lot more air than stock but not opening up the exhaust to let it out doesn't sound right to me. Deep breaths in and tiny breaths out? 🫤
Both rides don't see the same gains as the VA WRX will with a jpipe. An intermediate pipe on the VB and maybe downpipe for the STI but for the EJ you get into new turbo realm quickly. Ill have a more pro-tuned comparison coming soon!
@AutoEnthusiast cool. Your videos are great, by the way. Love the content you put out. Top notch. 😎✌🏻