Can You Handle The Seiko Sumo?
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I've been avoiding this one due to that sizeable nickname! Was I right to? Or is the Sumo just a big softie at heart? Well, it wears better than some of the dimensions suggest, but don;t even think about a leather strap etc. And do you really want to be squeezing a big watch on your wrist? If you do, then this is one very nicely made big watch to squeeze. Cheers, Jody
I love the Sumo PADI out of the Sumo series. So clean and striking
I doubt that most complaining about the Sumo’s price have ever held one in the steel. Solid as a tank. Beautifully sculpted case. Phenomenal finishing. Better than many Swiss pieces, and that’s coming from someone who’s owned Rolex, Tudor & Girard Perregaux. Yes, Seiko is raising their prices across the board, and that sucks for us. But at the same time, their prices are now more aligned with the pricing strategy of other established brands.
Most complaining about the price are guys that pay the same amount on 5 shitty microbrand-watches.
Bought it today. Black.
I have this exact watch. The case is remarkable, truly iconic
I've never had a Swiss made watch running at +/- 16 seconds per day. My cheap Tissot Gentleman runs at -1 second per day. My others run between +2 to + 9 seconds per day. Everything lines up as well. Seiko has no respect for their customers. They know fan boys will buy them no matter how inaccurate or misaligned their watches are.
@@user-bm8qn8oz9b you’re completely right on accuracy! No arguments there.
I was able to get a Bluemo for about $750 Canadian a few years ago. I somehow put a scratch in the Hardlex and so stopped wearing it. That is until I sent it to Scott at Watchmods and he replaced the Hardlex with sapphire, added a lumed ceramic bezel insert and I added a Strapcode Hexad braclet with 6 micro adjusts. It weighs in at 201grams! I only just noticed that mine has a signed crown. This is a terrific watch, more so with the mods and new bracelet, currently weaing it right now.
"Shines like a Chernobyl night club" 🤣🤣🤣
Awesome Jody quote!
It really does.
Lume on my 2nd gen is really strong, it is even visible during daytime.
My dyslexic ass read Chinese instead of shines and it took me only 3 minutes to figure out that there isn’t a Chinese night club called Chernobyl who advertise with green lights.
I love the sumo I really think this should be called the baby marinemaster they look so close to each other. But the sumo is worth every dollar
The Sumo is a modern classic. A unique new design in a sea of vintage inspired.
A friend of mine owns a 2nd gen sumo and I gave it a try. Although humongous, it's surprisingly comfortable on my puny 15cm wrists. The case shape really does give a good wearing experience.
Nice watch. I bought the Seiko black series sumo a few months ago with the same 6R35 movement. The dial is beautiful and the watch is running well. Accuracy is OK for the price. These sumo's are great watches, sapphire glass, made in Japan etc, if you can. get with a decent discount its great value. Nice review!
I had an original Sumo and I loved it. I really regret selling it. It also tricked me into thinking that I could wear 45mm watches because of those chamfered edges on the back of the case.
The old Sumo with the 6R15 movement is thicker than the new one though. It does have a signed crown however.
I picked up a 2nd gen JDM “ Blue Coral” SBDC069 last month, mildly used, full set for 400€..
What a watch!
Beautiful case, signed crown, mesmerising blue sunburst dial, very accurate, just stunning.
I own a Turtle too, by it doesn’t get a lot of wrist time any more...
As much as i love this watch: its in the price area of Yema (despite the horrendous service) and Squale offerings, just to name two competitors - Seiko really have to reconsider their pricing imho.
Seiko really needs to up their bracelet game.
YES!! I'd choose that over sapphire crystals if it came down to it. If San Martin can offer better bracelets for sub-$300 watches, why can't Seiko?
@@BetamaxBabe for $1000 bucks you shouldn't have to choose between sapphire and a nice bracelet.
@@jodysilvia2 Very true!
Nothing wrong with this bracelet. Does the job.
I have one of these en route and bought a strapcode as soon as the deal went through for the watch. I particularly don't like this clasp. I might give it a shot with an aftermarket clasp tho.
Great review! The Sumo is imbued with dark magic. I have a 6.25 inch wrist and it fits just as well on my wrist as it does on yours!
I love the Seiko Sumo. I have three JDM versions. One is standard blue, one is sunburst blue and one sunburst green. If you don't like the bracelet, I highly recommend Crafterblue rubber straps. They make rubber straps for brand and model specific watches. I have my two Tudor Pelagos both on Crafterblue straps, and I have two of my Seiko Sumo watches on Crafterblue rubber straps. They look great and very comfortable.
i have a 6 inch flat wrist and the sumo fits perfectly on me. Strange i know, i was surprised too! It really wears a lot smaller than the dimensions suggest
No matter how flat your wrist are . Under 7inch wear wear 41 42 look like a kid
I am a 6ft 2 inch tall guy with a 20 cm wrist. About 3 months ago I saw the Thongsia Limited Edition , “Hawksbill”, with a brown wave dial and rose gold highlights. I have had a Vietnamese croc strap made that fills the gap and fits my wrist and compliments the coloring. And I find it about 5 seconds fast per day. So a bit pricey , $700 all in, but I am not going to see another. A big hit for me. Great review, Professor.
Love my old Blumo, I don't wear it enough. This Sumo wears great on a crafter blue rubber strap imo
Looks really good on you. I like the angled bezel as well, nice little detail.
Thank you so much for your video. I pulled the trigger on getting the green sumo with lingering doubts about its size. I have 6.75 size wrist and it suits perfect. 🎉
Great watch! I have the green Sumo and absolutely love it!
"Lume pip not centered" my Casio Duro listening from my watch box "Ha!"
Lovely watch, I picked one up in 2019 and put it straight on an uncle seiko bracelet. The watch wears really well and very comfortable. Excellent review mate
Press clasp for 1k yuk
Strapcode needs to make a living you know.
I'm in the King Samurai wish list mode at the minute and the bracelet looks horrible for the price of it. The Sumo looks even worse at a grand. Alot of people swear by Strapcode as a replacement. I don't know much about Strapcode to be honest. That Pip would bug me forever and a day.
I don’t own any Seiko, micro brands offer more
@@kevinr206can you name a few?
Jody, that T-shirt is freaking awesome! LOL!!!! Great vid as always!
I've loved Seiko for years like most of us, but their prices are crazy now.
A shame as I've always thought the GS's deserved more recognition, bow they have it, I can't afford one at all. It's like you're favourite band getting big
Yes. With this pricing policy... I see at least two of my friends who switched to ChrWard for same price and they are much happier with C60 then with any seikos at least because of "swiss made". I just don't understand why seiko thinks they are now 1st class brand or something like that. I can agree if it's GS, but not this affordable divers made popular by the "great watch for it's money" formula. Now it is not great watch for it's money. Old anecdote: Saturday food market. Two farmers selling potatoes. One have potato that costs $ 1 per kilogram, and the other $ 1 per piece. The buyer asks one: why is your neighbor's potatoes 50 times more expensive? I see no difference! Farmer replies: because he bought a new house and now he really needs money. That's how seiko prices working nowadays.
Very true. I suppose Grand Seiko is like the Lexus is to the Toyota.
Couldn't agree with you more 👍
@@elmatroso7125 True, you're right, Grand Seiko is top notch. I think as far as the standard Seiko brand goes they're beginning to capitalise on their horological history and upping the brand awareness......and the prices. They need to up the Quality Control consistency as well though. This Sumo was +16s, I got one of the newer gen Seiko 5 a couple of weeks ago and I'm getting an extremely good +2s a day, and a perfectly aligned chapter ring! I was lucky, but unfortunately there still is a certain about of luck when you buy a watch. I've just ordered an Orient Tristar for casual wear, so I'll see if I'm lucky again. I don't know how well Orient does in the qc department.
@@brianmsahin No, please don't say that :) Lexus is Toyota for people who like to buy things that have doubled in price just because this store is on the main street :) GS is completely different. GS have soul of the art. But Lexus doesn't.
Surely they could’ve soaked a milled clasp!!
You would have thought so eh? Those damned dividends.....
I think with Seikos under a certain price point, a lot of people who know about their proclivities regarding the straps and clasps they use would change them out anyway.
@@robertnorris8367
Those frickin' 1 giant link shaped like 3 links type bracelets are the worst.
But they're hamstrung by their business model.
Factory ➡️ Distribution ➡️ Retailer ➡️ Consumer
That's - at the ᴠᴇʀʏ ʟᴇᴀsᴛ - 1 extra layer of 'margin' in the increasingly predominant digital market.
Long Island, San Martin etc. catch shit for copying Seiko, but why wouldn't they? My $300AUD SM Willard is every bit as good as my mates ~$1K AUD Seiko Willard...better if you prefer the 'OG' Willard case design and/or your Seiko has alignment issues!
But then they drop the Alpinist, or the 62MAS inspired SPB143J - just beautiful and well spec'd watches, that can always be picked up at 30-40% below retail if you wait... So I can never simply say f#%k Seiko! 🤷♂️
I was lucky to pick up a double discount on a green sumo just before Christmas, so paid just £444, but like you say straps are nonsense on this watch which is shame. Nato/single pass/marine nationale are ok but its a heavy watch to hang on a 1mm thick piece of fabric
I really like the dial. The index at 12 looks great with the second hand sitting in the gap, and I love the hand set. A really impressive dial set is let down by the usual Seiko seikoness. I'd still rather a Gin Clear.
I was tossing up between one of these and a transocean. However, date position on it is terrible.
Maybe the sumo is better but with an additional strap code hexad bracelet.
konnichiwa!
Thank you for introducing Seiko watches😄
I am proud of Seiko,Orient,Casio,Citizen porducts as Japanese👍
Crafter blue makes a fitted rubber strap that fits perfectly...no gaps. I also have the militat strapcode bracelets that are the perfect upgrade.
Great review, mate, congratulations and thank you very much.
Great review Jody, about time you joined the party. I have the Blumo (SBDC003) and love it. I have upgraded the crystal to sapphire and added a Crafter Blue band which fits perfect
Love my gen 3 green sumo.....a better looker than the black imo.
Mine is running around +3 seconds a day. Get plenty of positive comments when I wear it
and I love wearing it, it feels great on wrist and is definitely a keeper for me.
Im bidding for green now ) Great color. Please, advise if they really need servicing every 3 years? My PAM runs 9 already quite well without opening.
@denist7085 you should get well over 5 years good operation before requiring a service.
I have all 3 non-prospex 1st gen models - black, blue & orange. love them!
I had a choice at Christmas this year between a sumo and a monster, or the tuna sbb031. I went for the tuna as this is my ( to use the oft over used term) grail watch, and was not disappointed. In the end it came down to cost as I picked up the 031 for less than 800usd, but the sumo is still a fabulous watch but the prices here in the uk seem to be overly high. Will this still be in your collection at the end of the year?
I’ve got the one with the signed crown I think it must be a early addition, it wears well on a nato strap as well , great watch
Absolutely love the channel! Going to buy the sumo today because of your review 👌👌👌
Strapcode have a nice selection of bracelets for the Sumo. Milled Clasp and end links and they machined the ends to fit up nicely with the unusual lug shape, where Seiko took the lazy route. Of course 😁 Love the black, it's a beauty!
I love the names of these watches as much as the watch itself. Nothing like being able to say you've got a samurai or a sumo on your wrist. Now all we're missing is a model called the ninja or, more accurately, the shinobi.
Bit too big for me 6.5 inch wrist. It’s a cracking looking watch though.
I bought the Seiko hulk for 17,900thb (750Aud) and I love it. Accurate to 9 seconds a day which is ok, very well made the the 70 hrs power reserve is great for when I take it off for a day or two. It sits on my wrist ok and I have 6.8” wrists.
Konnichiwa, was not expecting that. Great review Jody and the thumbnail....nicely done :)
Thanks a lot for your great content Jody. All the best from Germany Max😜🔥👌
I've got a 6.5" flat wrist and the Sumo fits me great!
I'd love to see you gets you hands on one of the Seiko Sportura GMT Models (SUN015, 017, 025). I know it's a kinetic watch but trust me, the finishing and quality of the case and bracelet is so overlooked. I just picked one up and I'm blown away.
Sapphire Crystal, screw down crown, beautiful finishing, high quality bracelet, milled clasp. True GMT as well. Seriously. Best bang for you buck, and I love the kinetic movement.
For a strap option, check out the Helm canvas. They are chunky and would fill more of that case/lug gap for sure.
The shirt wins again. 😂👏
I have the sbdc033, Blumo a second generation Sumo. Mine does have a signed crown . I prefer the first and second generation Sumo. As far as alternative straps crafter blue makes a rubber strap that fits the Sumo perfectly. Nice watch you have and thanks for sharing.
As a designer I have say the case is very cleverly designed. Quite unique with the inverted outer bezel edge disappearing into cowlings at the side that stop it being knocked...but open at top and bottom for turning. A hard thing to design. Milled clasp and ceramic bezel....and I'd have one of these.
they now sell these with a milled clasp and ceramic bezel. the SPB321J1 and the SPB323J1
Thanks Jody you just saved me buying this thinking I could pop it on another strap. I love the look of the Sumo and I'm certainly (unfortunately) a big enough guy for this beast. If only Seiko would make a fitted rubber band like Deep Blue do.
Strapcode sells these
Very interesting watch piece Jody.
If I were to get an chunky boi though with almost similar size and price, the Certina Action Diver Powermatic 80 seems to draw me more.
I have the Anthracite dial Sumo and I love it! I improved the stock bracelet with a fully milled clasp, from Ali Express for US$4.72. I also purchased a Beads of Rice from Uncle straps, and 2 fitted rubber straps from Crafter Blue. So the Sumo has plenty of nice shoes in its closet! 😂
I've often wished that I had a bigger wrist because I would collect every seiko diver going. Love my skx on my 6.5" wrist and I'm considering other seiko divers. Maybe the mm 200 sbdc187?
I've got mine on a Crafter Blue rubber strap, fits nice and tight up against case.
Great content. Any reason some will have a printed white frame around the date complication at 3 o’clock and some don’t have a white printed frame? Referring to black and green dial variants.
Thanks
This specific watch works really well on the crafter blue rubber strap made for this model, in black.
Looks like it should fit my 8 1/2” wrist about right! Great review as always Jody!!!
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Appreciate your detailed review including what you do not like about the watch.
Thanks Jody. I have the green one. Mine's on the edge of spec at about +25 SPD but otherwise it's a great watch. Crafter Blue makes a great rubber strap for it as well. Keep the reviews coming!
Get it to a good watch-dealer and he fixes this problem for you.
Very good review. Mine is green and whilst I appreciate the quality it’s never had the wrist time it’s deserved. Think it’s the wrong side of the size divide now versus what’s contemporary. Even from Seiko in 2021. Needs a Strapcode bracelet too!
NATO strap works perfectly on these so you aren’t stuck with the bracelet and they don’t leave a gap.
Does it feature zaratsu polish and does this have sapphire? Thx
OK, I gotta ask, where'd you get the T-shirt?
Now this is a proper timepiece. Love it.👍
So Jody you must try the crafter blue rubber strap on your sumo, I have a seven and three quarters wrist and i wear it loose when just bopping around then one notch up when things get serious , but when wearing it loose it is just amazing it just kinda stays right side up and just floats there and the integration of the strap covers the gap and fits very tight against the case so it doesn't pull away from the case when flexing the strap in or out, some people don't like the keeper because it is metal but I like it think it gives it a bit of flash anyway check it out , as always keep up the great job
Csernobil night club..perfect!!😂😂😂thank you!😊🙏🙏
I picked up a new turtle over the sumo I quite liked the green one with the black bezel and don't have to worry about a pressed clasp with a rubber strap
I have the black ltd edition Sumo. Nice watch, well finished for the money and I can't complain about the bracelet as mine is on the silicon rubber (but let's be honest Seiko don't do bracelets do they). No my only complaint is the 6R35 movt. Mine tends to run 20 secs plus a day fast, not impressed. If only Seiko would regulate their cheaper movements to tighter tolerances. Surely it would be a no brainer. A few tweaks to the 4r and 6r movements and I'm sure they could get close to COSC standards. Am I thinking totally out of the box or am I just being daft?
Hi All, I have this watch in Green. I love it. I have the metal bracelet, but put it on a fitted rubber from Crafter Blue and it looks amazing. Great video and I agree on all accounts. Cheers!
The T shirts Fantastic Jody. Just can’t say the same about the Sumo unfortunately.
How does the quality differ from, for example, the willard or the mini marinemaster? It's still a 6r35 and it seems to be a bargain.
Honestly, I’d be more likely to buy the Steeldive homage to it. Good quality for a fraction of the price.
You're absolutely right!
Proxima's version seems also not a bad choice.
Have a Steel Dive Sumo and an Original Seiko Sumo. The Steel Dive is good, but has much lower quality, finishing and movement though. The Sumo is well worth it’s price.
Yup. And the 4R movement they'd put into it would almost certainly perform better. I've seen a number of videos where the 6R35 accuracy in various (expensive) Seikos is just unimpressive.
Got mine for $840 cad last year (20%off msrp) and love it. Only complaint is the not so smooth crown and how it only takes 3/4 of a turn to unscrew/screw in
sumo with a grafter blue strap trans forms the sumo to another level 👍
Nice review. I actually have a 6.7" wrist and love this watch. Due to the sharp drop and curve it fits well on smaller wrists. A talent of Seiko. I also believe diving and pilot watches should be bigger, but that's my taste
Very good. I have 7 inch wrist not round. I am ready to place an order but little confuse about its size.
Take a seiko 5, slap on a bezel, ruin the sleek profile with the ridiculous oversize off set crown which was added so you can grip it through your diver glove while at 200 meters so you can let in some lubricating water. Then it's off to the grinder where we added some wierd angles and if you look closely you can see the our pantented multi finnish, finnish, half polished and brushed some around the edge on the same angle. Add a chinese bracelet, and you're ready for this boat anchor to tow you straight to the bottom.
I'm surprised how well it looks on your wrist. Great case design.
Totally agree about the smaller bezel numbers, the larger numbers made it look a bit toy like. This looks much more classy. But, pressed clasp, misaligned lume pip, terrible timegrapher figures for that amount of money is unforgivable! You can see why some people would rather buy a decent homage!
great review
Hello great review.
The black and green versions for this watch now sell for $670 AUD at some of the online sellers. What is your opinion of the Sumo Noosa it has a blue black dial with yellow/orange hands.
The retail price is $1500 but you can find them on line now for $1100. They are limited to 1000 and come with a extra rubber strap.
Do you think the Noosa is a good deal or would you go for the basic black or green version at 60% of the price of the limited edition.
I have purchase 3 watches from starbuy, but they never send you the warranty card or manual's? Is this normal for them?
great review! sticking with turtle for now...
Your t-shirt is glorious. I love the watch, but the price (the "regular" price) is a bit high...
Cool piece!I miss my blumo
Thank you very much Jody for bringing to us this very nice japanese piece. Sincerely I consider this as a very atractive and a dressy horology piece as well, but I'm a bit dissapointed with its accuracy and second, with this crazy policy the brand is using face to its commercialization. In a brand like this I could not expect it. Anyway, I still consider this as a good choice and a very affordable item, for 700$ it is.
Thank you one more time for your precious effort.
Saludos!!!
Is it better then the Seiko Sport 5 tho?
Nice....though I loved the font of the "automatic" on the first generation.
The Sumo looks and wears a little bigger than the MM300, but is still very comfortable and looks fantastic. Also, get a Crafter Blue fitted rubber strap, it is a perfect fit for this watch.
I agree, the case is amazing but their bracelets are not up to the same level. Plus for 750 AUD you can buy a Tissot with the powermatic 80 which in my experience runs +/- 3 seconds
Awesome watch! You really need to get the curved end Crafter Blue rubber strap from Marc at Long Island Watch, which takes the Sumo to a whole new level. Thanks for the review, Jody.
The Seiko 20mm silicone strap works perfectly on this watch.
Where the heck did you get that t shirt from?
I still toy with the idea of one but the size is just on limits of whether its wearable for my wrist just being under 7", bit like the Luna Pilot. Wonder its it worth trying the SteelDive alternative first
70h power reserve is a very good improvement on the 4r. Really like the curves on that case, almost reminds me of the Speedy casing
Yes, the lugs have a Speedy look, noticed that too.
Luv the T-shirt 😎😂. Would I pick up a Sumo if I just need a bomb proof daily diver beater? 🤔 not sure, it’s a bit of a half way house when it comes to price. I’ve sort of settled into cheap everyday beater Diver and Doxa for best.
They changed the bezel font and the 12 o'clock marker? Really tempted to rebuy after selling my first generation Sumo
Mate have you ever reviewed the Revue Thommen brand? I see them on a lot of the retailers and they seem to have a solid Swiss history and are cheap. Love to hear you discuss those.
I got my Greenmo for 575$ (discounted Ofcourse)at retail and couldn't be happier, my daily and only watch at the moment. Love it!
Where did you buy the Rolex watch on your wall?
I’d never considered the Sumo until this video. Love that case design!
I own one. Its a beautiful watch , the bracelet is kind of crappy though
I never considered it before, until I stumbled upon my SBDC069 locally for a fair price.
I found Bruce Williams’ raving review, and I quickly picked it up.
The Sumo really looks impressive to me, even with the ‘ NASCAR’ bezel font.
The way the case flows, the contrast between polished and finely brushed parts, the signed crown, the slightly domed crystal, giving nice distortion under certain angles, the engraved caseback ( vs. Laser-etched), it all adds up to a very cool looking watch.
The Sumo design is pure genius.