KARSTON SPEAKS. Ok, so this was news to us as well. He hasn’t said a word since and honestly it’s very unnerving. When we asked him about it he just focused at us really hard. We think the real Karston might be locked up somewhere in a dungeon or something. We request your thoughts and prayers at this troubling time.
This seems to be the only channel actually doing lap times these days. Keep it up. Edit: I forgot about Hagerty, but I'm going to leave this here so people can correct me.
Yes cause lap times are so important to people buying an everyday car. You people that focus on this stuff are absolute cornballs. Lol what’s your current lap times in your scion xb bro?
Am I crazy, or has this just turned into the best car show. Hagerty has amazing production quality, but these guys have something special that the rest don't have.
Maybe i misunderstood it, but it wasn't that the Golf was so good that made him talk, but that it still lost against the Cayman despite being at the same power level, having awd and turbos.
Anyone else really want to see the tuned golf R go round the track... its seriously interesting to see how much time the cars gained with near on 50%, bhp improvement.
@krane15 regardless of weather its designed for it, and how much youre gonna keep coming back with answer after answer because you must enforce your opinion. Me and 40 others who've liked my comment would also have liked to see it
Wider tires plus a mid engine means the Porsche has roughly similar grip to the awd golf. Plus the Germans always underestimate their hp. Good to see James win one finally!
I think the HP figures are from crankshaft in test conditions. Measuring it from wheels is always slightly different. I like how they always say the lowest average 0-60 time too. That way you can almost always beat the time. 😂 clever stuff
AWD still has more traction with 100% of the weight on driven wheels vs 56% on the cayman. Even with weight transfer, I don't think the cayman is anywhere near lifting the front wheels and having 100% on the rear...bigger contact patch does not translate into proportionally better friction coefficient, only reduces the tire load and improves grip marginally. I think Porsche launch control is just more efficient, cayman's lighter so better power/weight ratio and probably more power than the spec sheet says. maybe the golf R launch control doesn't do so good with the added power too...tunes Porsche's launch really well but that's not always the case with every car brand
Mk7r_STI, have you watched clips from F1 2020 UNSEEN yet? It is in my TH-cam channel. One clip featuring Nijigasaki and D4DJ singing Ryoran Victory Road during Bushiroad Rock Festival 2023.
Just this past Monday I got to drive stick for the first time (and in a 4th gen WRX at that). I'm honestly surprised at how well I did, I only stalled once in 30 minutes of driving, even though we were just driving around an empty parking lot. Honestly, it felt quite natural, and I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that if you let the clutch out slowly, you can start moving without touching the gas. My neighbor who owned the WRX and was teaching me was also impressed with how well I got on with it, and I'm looking forward to driving stick with him again.
@@krane15 400hp out of a 2.0 liter four was done more reliably by Mitsubishi over a decade ago and isn't uncommon in tuned cars now. There are a couple of Peugeots where a simple remap will get you past 300hp from a 1.6, also at least as reliable as the VW. Not that I'm knocking (engineering pun intended) 400hp from the VW at all, it's just not uncommon enough these days that I'd call it amazing, personally.
Having owned a tuned mk 7.5 Golf R myself, I was kind of shocked that it didn't take the stock Porsche Cayman GTS!! That car is obvioiusly amazing, and imagine what it could do with a little more work! Of course, one of the reasons I loved the Golf R was that it was a hatchback and was a bit of a sleeper. That tune essentially makes it an RS3 hatchback, which they stopped importing into the states when I bought mine... otherwise I would've owned a modded RS3!! Giddyup!
Driver error. It should have gaped the other two cars off the line. However, its weakness is in the mid-rage where it sadly, begins to fizzle out while the others keep on pulling.
My tcu is still locked. . Definitely would've beat the porsche otherwise eventhough it's 600lbs lighter. My car hasn't been on a dyno but is neck and neck with my buddies stage 1+ unitronic car also with no tcu so they just put the unitronic #'s down. Those are not whp figures. . Realistically my car probably only makes 400ish whp with no tcu so the tq is being limited.
@@jeremysmith7686 I guess this makes more sense. My 2019 Golf R was Stage 2+ and easily and consistently did 0-60 in 3.5 secs on the street (I had a tracker). It also never seemed to stop pulling at any speed, right up to 150+ when it would be aero limited. It also would do the quarter mile in 11.5 secs, and looking at the perf stats of the 2023 Caymen GTS, mine would have done it in handily. Thanks for sharing these details, because it makes more sense now. Also, my 2019 Golf R weighed 3,300 pounds, so only ~200 pounds more than the GTS.
@Tim Federwitz so my car currently when I ran it down that strip is trapping a speed of 118-119 mph which is also good enough for a mid 11 but the 60ft with the lack of tcu tune has only generated an 11.9 at 119.
You can definitely fully disable everything on the 981 generation Cayman/Boxster, even with PTV - I've got a backlog of drifty shenanigans to prove it. I don't know why they would have changed that for the 718. But even with everything fully disabled, unless you've already got a drift going, the balance tends to shift to understeer on power. Better to get the rotation done on entry using a trail of the brake; then you've got all the traction in the world to use on the way out.
I would not mind a separate tuned car board. I would very much like to know what a golf R and some mods does or maybe a Honda civic type R with some mods.
On a side note, nice to see the Nissan Z back on the leaderboard. But why is the Z only 0.2 seconds quicker than the Acura TLX Type S, which is 700 lbs heavier and has 50 less hp?
.2 seconds quicker is very vague... In the 1/4 the Z is .7 seconds quicker. Even the old 370z is quicker than the type s in the 1/4 mile. You can thank the awd system in the type s for the extra 500 pounds... which also helps it hold its own with the Z to 60 mph and around a track. I agree that on paper the Z should be quicker around a track but it's truly comparing apples to oranges.
@@kabob21 446 Hp, we dont know how much it really is as we don't know how much power is going into those wheel - its an awd system so there's a lot of lag. Id say its around 410-420 at best.
@kabob21 does not. My car realistically is in and around 400whp so the same as the porsche with the porsche being 600lbs lighter. . And my tcu is still locked so the tq is being limited. That porsche is not quick lol
I think my 718 Boxster GTS would be a better track car than the 4.0. All that torque down low for the tight corners, it's brilliant at 10/10ths too! 2.5 engine pulls hard, just doesn't sound as good as the 4.0, but I love the sound of the 2.5 GTS I have. It's just not too loud, so it's hard for other people to hear it, but sounds great inside the cabin for sure! Great review....thanks!
The numbers are in line with a unitronic stage 1 93 tune, not bad for $700. Not sure what the owner spent $6000 on, but it surely didn’t help the races
It’s interesting that several other TH-cam channels have the 23 M2 and the Cayman GTS pretty much dead even 0 to 60, 3.6 to 3.8; yet when these guys get a hold of the M2 it never perform as well 😂 “Can we do a rolling race so I can participate?” Seriously? I think these guys are a little biased against the M2, IMO. Having said that, I love the Porsche, and the BMW.
@@lloyd.8272 that golf was either a manual or has the low tq tune. 446 is the numbers unitronic give for their stage 1+ and with a DSG, it’ll trap 121+. It shouldn’t have lost to the m2 even in a roll. It should have been neck and neck at the very least.
I got my 718 Boxster GTS for a 40% discount off of the original msrp and it has a 5yr warranty for 80000 miles. It looks almost exactly like that one but has boost like the other two and a big sunroof that's not available on the Cayman, or either of the other cars. Best money I ever spent, other than the 1st Porsches I bought 25 years ago. I also love my trunk, instead of the hatch that I had on my 2006 Cayman S. Also my Cayman S had very few options, and my 718 GTS has over $20K in really excellent options, if the GTS option was good enough by itself. Even the paint is trick, it looks so good next to my iron blue Mk7.5 GTI that I find myself pinching my arm just to make sure that I not dreaming. Guess I'm living the dream, because I never wake up. So I'm gonna add a program to my dream that makes my 718 GTS have about 100 more hp, and see if I can grab some cup tires and better brake pads and we'll see if my 2.5 718 GTS dream beats my M2002 dream. BTW, that red thing in the video isn't my M2002 dream either. My M2002 still has yet to be made, however it will certainly have a hood in the front that one pushes forward from the A pillar and then pulls open over the kidney and hangs off the front of the car like my original 2002 did that I had when I was 16. My friend Sid will love riding on top of it too ;) Coachella Valley Rules!
When it comes to Porsche boxster/Cayman vs BMW Z4 M40i/M2, I'll always go with the BMWs!.imo they are better looking & price wise are palatable.go BMW!
@@ESKATEUK because 1,000$ in ecu and tcu tuning gets you a hatch that runs like 11.4 @121 for less than 50k. How on earth do you think that’s not impressive for a 2.0? It’s also 446. Don’t need to round up (and down on the Porsche) to try and make your point seem better.
For the group, yes I was referring to the Golf R. As all vehicles have grown, the R is almost the size of a crossover. Even still the M2 is 450lbs heavier.
I completely agree with "G W": this is the only "lap time channel" on youtube. Strange for a continent who thinks racing is looking at the fastest car in a straight (and short) line... 😂 Thanks, guys, for the very good job you do
@@genderlessyoutubefanperson on low torque settings with the intake and intercooler, it does. 034 motorsports for reference, and yes it’s on 93. I literally own the car and had it dynoed to make sure 🤣 super impressive
I owned a Tuned Golf R MK6, and now an 2022 M240i. The Golf R was a monster in a launch. I have not had the opportunity for a roll race with the BMW but it is easier to avoid or overtake on the highway with the BMW.
I still can't believe that M2 is 3900 lbs.!! Porker. As for the Cayman, you have to uncheck the PTV option and it won't cut the power through the bends.
All 3 are great in their own way, I didn't expect the Porsche to hang with the modded golf from standing, glad to see owners get awesome performance out of that price tag.
The Gts is actually slightly quicker than the Gt4. I’m surprised people aren’t loving it as much because it’s not a “real gt car”. The gt4, gt3, gt2 get all the love. All of them are great.
If price is your only measure when buying a car, then yes, go with the Golf. If looks and sound are thrown in, the Golf doesn’t do it for me. But that’s just me.
KARSTON SPEAKS. Ok, so this was news to us as well. He hasn’t said a word since and honestly it’s very unnerving. When we asked him about it he just focused at us really hard. We think the real Karston might be locked up somewhere in a dungeon or something. We request your thoughts and prayers at this troubling time.
You should have talked to Chris Harris he seems to have no problem with stability control.
Karsten may require lead filled soles on his driving shoes...
[focusing intensifies]
Good to know that Karston can speak.
think he finished his speaking quota for the year
I really appreciated the break in Karston's focus. Is that a channel first?
I was thinking the exact same thing!
First I recall
Need him to talk more lol it’d be like a big three
I thought it was a golf
@@iFigure lol
This seems to be the only channel actually doing lap times these days. Keep it up.
Edit: I forgot about Hagerty, but I'm going to leave this here so people can correct me.
This channel is great these guys really cover all the bases! Just would like to see the 0 to 60, and quarter mile times!
Pretty rare to have good drivers in general too
Then you don't know about hagerty
Hargety
Yes cause lap times are so important to people buying an everyday car. You people that focus on this stuff are absolute cornballs. Lol what’s your current lap times in your scion xb bro?
Am I crazy, or has this just turned into the best car show.
Hagerty has amazing production quality, but these guys have something special that the rest don't have.
Definitely the best, they have an infectious magic formula going. If they stick with it they will shoot to the top.
Its the charisma factor
Yup. Charisma. Thomas and James are just two sweethearts! 😅
Chemistry between bro’s
Thomas is certainly the wife about the Lotus
I like these guys. Just some regular dudes with a good ammount of humour and driving insights.
Yep. Hire also Chris Harris into Throttle House.
I just love it when Thomas says "and this is a drag race"
Almost a Doug DeMuro-ish approach.
@@housepianist and also semi approached from Mat Watson.
4:55 That's literally the most I've heard Carson say in the 2+ years I've been watching this channel. :D
Carson speaks😮. Mind blown….
Maybe he's just a big golf R fan lol
@@ihavealife002 Maybe that's his actual car. He did seem more invested in the outcome of the races...
@@richardnavratil9661 mind you thats the Golf GTi R can do the justice.
Nice to finally see Karston break focus in a race! I also really like the sunset outro thing that you guys are doing. makes the cars really pop.
Yes yes, I can see that there is a BMW and a Porsche. But all I can think of is how good the Golf is that it made Carston talk. 😂
Maybe i misunderstood it, but it wasn't that the Golf was so good that made him talk, but that it still lost against the Cayman despite being at the same power level, having awd and turbos.
@@nirfz the Golf also weighed 88kgs less than Cayman GTS.
This is why aero is King. It's what made gtr a supercar killer event with the high weight of it and having less horsepower.
In tonight's car programme ~
Thomas says Stuttgart ,
James explain launch control,
And We hear Carston 's voice .
Anyone else really want to see the tuned golf R go round the track... its seriously interesting to see how much time the cars gained with near on 50%, bhp improvement.
Its not designed for that. The others are true sports cars from the start.
@@krane15 whyd they bother taking the stock golf R around then..
@@TheSoundzUK Explained in the intro. Basically, for good measure.
@krane15 regardless of weather its designed for it, and how much youre gonna keep coming back with answer after answer because you must enforce your opinion. Me and 40 others who've liked my comment would also have liked to see it
@@TheSoundzUK Well, why not tune the M2 then?. Do you know how easily that engine picks up HP?
Loved Karston showing signs of life at 2:42! 🤣
Karston is FASTER THAN YOU.
Wider tires plus a mid engine means the Porsche has roughly similar grip to the awd golf. Plus the Germans always underestimate their hp.
Good to see James win one finally!
I think the HP figures are from crankshaft in test conditions. Measuring it from wheels is always slightly different. I like how they always say the lowest average 0-60 time too. That way you can almost always beat the time. 😂 clever stuff
Well they're all German cars, so...
@@bh4560 what’s your point they are all German cars 🤦🏼♂️
I’d have liked to see the Golf R’s track time. Not a bad showing for the R considering the price
AWD still has more traction with 100% of the weight on driven wheels vs 56% on the cayman. Even with weight transfer, I don't think the cayman is anywhere near lifting the front wheels and having 100% on the rear...bigger contact patch does not translate into proportionally better friction coefficient, only reduces the tire load and improves grip marginally. I think Porsche launch control is just more efficient, cayman's lighter so better power/weight ratio and probably more power than the spec sheet says.
maybe the golf R launch control doesn't do so good with the added power too...tunes Porsche's launch really well but that's not always the case with every car brand
CARSTON HAS SPOKEN!!!! TH Stig has broken his silence!! 2:42
TWICE!!!!! 4:55
This is the best format for a car review. This is exactly what we want! You guys are awesome, really. Keep up the good work!
Let’s give huge props to the moderately tuned VW Golf that kept pace with those much more expensive cars.
Orrr the other way around, let's give props to the Porsche which has less power and two less driven wheels compared to the modified Golf R.
@@TheStigHCE09 also weighs a lot less ....
@@_Ambition124 The Golf R still had a higher power-to-weight ratio. It should have also destroyed the Porsche from a dig.
@@TheStigHCE09 or not. It’s a fully functional family hatchback at less than half the price. Time to get off the Porsche dick and move along.
The Porsche and M2 still have a warranty. The Golf will be good until something breaks in the next week or so.
That cayman GTS is a beast. I’d take that any day out the 3. Looks the best too.
well yeah by far the most expensive too
You'd take the 150k sports car over the 50k hatchback? Wow, weird opinion...
The Porsche? It’s a women’s car😂 maybe choose a better Porsche?
@@616-j4r says a whole lot more about you to think some Cayman is a woman's car 😂 yeeeeehaw
@@cyril2011 150k? It’s 74k brand new. Don’t worry mates you’re only out by 76k.
@4:11mins - " Could we do a Rolling Race so i can Participate ! " 😂😂😂😂 that had me Rollin'
Love those uncommon drag races !!
Mk7r_STI, have you watched clips from F1 2020 UNSEEN yet? It is in my TH-cam channel. One clip featuring Nijigasaki and D4DJ singing Ryoran Victory Road during Bushiroad Rock Festival 2023.
I like Carsten's choice of small aperture sun stars for the intro shots
Still the best car content on the internet. Massive respect to both of you!
the color on the porsche is amazing
The car itself too.
Thats actually green. Unlike most companies calling a yellow shade green.
No
The colour on your mom's 🙀 is amazing
So many people love it, but i hate it no idea why
Just this past Monday I got to drive stick for the first time (and in a 4th gen WRX at that). I'm honestly surprised at how well I did, I only stalled once in 30 minutes of driving, even though we were just driving around an empty parking lot. Honestly, it felt quite natural, and I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that if you let the clutch out slowly, you can start moving without touching the gas. My neighbor who owned the WRX and was teaching me was also impressed with how well I got on with it, and I'm looking forward to driving stick with him again.
MVP of car reviews. You guys are special, props to your production team. Keep up the good work
Love seeing Golf R in competition. Not bad for a 2.0L Turbo
True, although I wouldn't be surprised if the Cayman is actually more economical in the real world 😄
Golf R is great until the engine goes BANG! Clata clata... Well over 400 bhp from a 2.0l 4cyl is crazy.
Not bad? Getting 400hp out of a 2.0 liter four is amazing.
K20
@@krane15 400hp out of a 2.0 liter four was done more reliably by Mitsubishi over a decade ago and isn't uncommon in tuned cars now. There are a couple of Peugeots where a simple remap will get you past 300hp from a 1.6, also at least as reliable as the VW.
Not that I'm knocking (engineering pun intended) 400hp from the VW at all, it's just not uncommon enough these days that I'd call it amazing, personally.
For the money and performance, I would still get the tuned Golf R.
ahahah tuned M2 destroy it
Great to see Karston come alive! Hope to see more of him in the next road trip series.
Good to hear another few words from Karston. I think we've enjoyed the Silent Bob approach, but now it would be cool to see him in frame more often.
Having owned a tuned mk 7.5 Golf R myself, I was kind of shocked that it didn't take the stock Porsche Cayman GTS!! That car is obvioiusly amazing, and imagine what it could do with a little more work! Of course, one of the reasons I loved the Golf R was that it was a hatchback and was a bit of a sleeper. That tune essentially makes it an RS3 hatchback, which they stopped importing into the states when I bought mine... otherwise I would've owned a modded RS3!! Giddyup!
Driver error. It should have gaped the other two cars off the line. However, its weakness is in the mid-rage where it sadly, begins to fizzle out while the others keep on pulling.
My tcu is still locked. . Definitely would've beat the porsche otherwise eventhough it's 600lbs lighter. My car hasn't been on a dyno but is neck and neck with my buddies stage 1+ unitronic car also with no tcu so they just put the unitronic #'s down. Those are not whp figures. . Realistically my car probably only makes 400ish whp with no tcu so the tq is being limited.
@@jeremysmith7686 I guess this makes more sense. My 2019 Golf R was Stage 2+ and easily and consistently did 0-60 in 3.5 secs on the street (I had a tracker). It also never seemed to stop pulling at any speed, right up to 150+ when it would be aero limited. It also would do the quarter mile in 11.5 secs, and looking at the perf stats of the 2023 Caymen GTS, mine would have done it in handily. Thanks for sharing these details, because it makes more sense now. Also, my 2019 Golf R weighed 3,300 pounds, so only ~200 pounds more than the GTS.
@Tim Federwitz so my car currently when I ran it down that strip is trapping a speed of 118-119 mph which is also good enough for a mid 11 but the 60ft with the lack of tcu tune has only generated an 11.9 at 119.
Thanks for the laptmes. Great video.
You can definitely fully disable everything on the 981 generation Cayman/Boxster, even with PTV - I've got a backlog of drifty shenanigans to prove it. I don't know why they would have changed that for the 718. But even with everything fully disabled, unless you've already got a drift going, the balance tends to shift to understeer on power. Better to get the rotation done on entry using a trail of the brake; then you've got all the traction in the world to use on the way out.
Yeah, fully disabled is fully disabled on the 981, including PTV. Hmm....
I would not mind a separate tuned car board. I would very much like to know what a golf R and some mods does or maybe a Honda civic type R with some mods.
The “screw your mods” comment at 2:40 killed me 🤣
Excellent take on the GTS 4.0. Amazing car but I was frustrated with the PTV and stability control never being defeatable.
10:26 "Golf R that will empower the keyboard warriors saying "you just need to stick a tune in it"" is such a profound way to end the video
The car isn't fully tuned lol! Would've beat both cars.
@@jeremysmith7686 that tuner is very bad 😂😂
@Joshua Pounds you're clearly not very intelligent or understand what a tuned tcu does for the car LOL
"Screw your mods" said the guy in the $100,000+ car who barely beat the $50,000 car 😂
Pathetic 😂
The difference between a fake and a luxury item is not that big.
@@Warrior11117 do you mean Porsche is a fake luxury Volkswagen? Fair enough 😂
@@oleg274 are you saying that Porsche isn't a great brand with cars like the GT3, and 911 turbo?😀
Did you miss the part where the Golf R is tuned to 446 hp?
U know there’s a problem when Karston shows emotion, that cayman is quick off the line
I found this channel 2 days ago and i love it!
You've missed a lot
The Golf will always be the best car to own. Fast, roomy, cheap, reliable.
no current VW is reliable
very boring also
Unlike the other two pure sports cars. The Golf is a practical daily driver with the heart of a sports car.
But then again, you drive a Golf..
@@gedam131 A Porsche is just a golf that breaks more often.
I now have my M2 as well as my 2020 718 Spyder. If I could only have one it would be the Spyder. What a great car. Cheers🥶🥵
Will never be upset about a Carston appearance. Nothing at all wrong with some man candy 😁
Great review men I get my 2023 M2 within the next 2 weeks. I can't wait for her to arrive. Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🥶
On a side note, nice to see the Nissan Z back on the leaderboard. But why is the Z only 0.2 seconds quicker than the Acura TLX Type S, which is 700 lbs heavier and has 50 less hp?
ask nissan dude xD
.2 seconds quicker is very vague... In the 1/4 the Z is .7 seconds quicker. Even the old 370z is quicker than the type s in the 1/4 mile. You can thank the awd system in the type s for the extra 500 pounds... which also helps it hold its own with the Z to 60 mph and around a track. I agree that on paper the Z should be quicker around a track but it's truly comparing apples to oranges.
SHAWD
tires maybe
Have you seen the power of SH-AWD?
Always love your convent and videos you make on a regular basis. Guys Keep it up 👍
I was a little disappointed they didn't attempt a second dig race after Thomas struggled so much to put the power.
I'm guessing Thomas tried a few times with this M2 and felt he wouldn't do much better
they run it a few times and just do the best for all 3- the one we saw was probably the best he got
BMWs top ends are unbeatable… do not underestimate us. Wether it’s a supra, m3/m4 or a m2 these cars are amazing on top end. Never stop pulling.
Oh man yet another exciting episode from the most amazing presenters. Big ups to James n Thomas💥💥watching you from Africa
I’ve never heard Karston speak until now and it’s because he’s frustrated with the Golf R. Lmao
Pretty impressive the golf kept up for nearly half the price
It has 446 hp and AWD.
@@kabob21 446 Hp, we dont know how much it really is as we don't know how much power is going into those wheel - its an awd system so there's a lot of lag. Id say its around 410-420 at best.
@@kabob21 with 446hp it should be faster than the cayman gts , i think this has about 410-420hp
@kabob21 does not. My car realistically is in and around 400whp so the same as the porsche with the porsche being 600lbs lighter. . And my tcu is still locked so the tq is being limited. That porsche is not quick lol
@@Phantom-vn3nz no, power to weight ratio bud
The legend finally speaks!!
I’m impressed with the golf r hanging with the heavyweights with bolt ons
The golf is tuned tho 😂
8 gen golf r is already fast, this is tuned too
I think my 718 Boxster GTS would be a better track car than the 4.0. All that torque down low for the tight corners, it's brilliant at 10/10ths too! 2.5 engine pulls hard, just doesn't sound as good as the 4.0, but I love the sound of the 2.5 GTS I have. It's just not too loud, so it's hard for other people to hear it, but sounds great inside the cabin for sure! Great review....thanks!
Mk8golf R and a tune....that's damn impressive. I am a fanboy tho.
I still love the look of the 7.5 better than the 8. Regardless one of the best bang for buck like the 340i on the market with just a tune.
The numbers are in line with a unitronic stage 1 93 tune, not bad for $700.
Not sure what the owner spent $6000 on, but it surely didn’t help the races
@@RidingWithBobby A Golf with 7.5 front end and 8 rear would be perfect.
A golf with a 7 front end and 7.5 rear ❤
It’s interesting that several other TH-cam channels have the 23 M2 and the Cayman GTS pretty much dead even 0 to 60, 3.6 to 3.8; yet when these guys get a hold of the M2 it never perform as well 😂
“Can we do a rolling race so I can participate?” Seriously?
I think these guys are a little biased against the M2, IMO. Having said that, I love the Porsche, and the BMW.
So what I got from this video is, get a Golf R and get it APR tuned (to keep the warranty) lol
You don't keep your warranty APR offers their own
Nice review keep up the good work fellas
Give me the Golf R Allday!!! Love it
Brilliant video. Stuttgart know their audience and nail it. Hence I sold mine. Each to their own and you summed it up brilliantly.
Feel like Thomas is different from most folks on the Porsche forums because he actually knows how to drive haha
dear God man some of the people on there make me SICK
So funny I was looking at Porsche GTS videos for a week straight and here I am on throttle house, love the video
Love the new M2, even the styling, but that Golf is a weapon and I LOVE a hot hatch.
You men are the best Canadian reviewers. Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🥶
i'm a golf head for sure as a gti owner but the tuned R being able to keep up with a porsche is super impressive
Carston speaks! Yay! It's about time!
That Golf is the biggest surprise of the video
Not really, it’s tuned and still lost.
@@lloyd.8272 2.0 4cyl making 446 hp is nuts dude
@@lloyd.8272 that golf was either a manual or has the low tq tune. 446 is the numbers unitronic give for their stage 1+ and with a DSG, it’ll trap 121+. It shouldn’t have lost to the m2 even in a roll. It should have been neck and neck at the very least.
@@AntFragale they give those numbers with their intercooler installed
@@cRAYz3d how old are you? 2.0 making 450bhp was common in the early 90’s 😂
I got my 718 Boxster GTS for a 40% discount off of the original msrp and it has a 5yr warranty for 80000 miles. It looks almost exactly like that one but has boost like the other two and a big sunroof that's not available on the Cayman, or either of the other cars. Best money I ever spent, other than the 1st Porsches I bought 25 years ago. I also love my trunk, instead of the hatch that I had on my 2006 Cayman S. Also my Cayman S had very few options, and my 718 GTS has over $20K in really excellent options, if the GTS option was good enough by itself. Even the paint is trick, it looks so good next to my iron blue Mk7.5 GTI that I find myself pinching my arm just to make sure that I not dreaming. Guess I'm living the dream, because I never wake up. So I'm gonna add a program to my dream that makes my 718 GTS have about 100 more hp, and see if I can grab some cup tires and better brake pads and we'll see if my 2.5 718 GTS dream beats my M2002 dream. BTW, that red thing in the video isn't my M2002 dream either. My M2002 still has yet to be made, however it will certainly have a hood in the front that one pushes forward from the A pillar and then pulls open over the kidney and hangs off the front of the car like my original 2002 did that I had when I was 16. My friend Sid will love riding on top of it too ;) Coachella Valley Rules!
2:29 Thomas sounds like a very angry German in an m2
The "Down" had a hint of Schwarzenegger😛
Please don't keep Karston as a one dimensional mute. Loved the reactions.
We need a rematch tuned M5Cs vs the E63s tuned and Rs6 tuned those previous one 1⃣ you raced with a stock m5cs
When it comes to Porsche boxster/Cayman vs BMW Z4 M40i/M2, I'll always go with the BMWs!.imo they are better looking & price wise are palatable.go BMW!
Its so impressive how fast the golf R is.
How is that impressive? It’s tuned up to 460bhp and got dropped by a 390bhp cayman. It’s nothing impressive.
@@ESKATEUKit’s a hatchback with 400hp that’s impressive imo.
@@ESKATEUK agreed. Honestly it’s pretty trash lol
@@ESKATEUK because 1,000$ in ecu and tcu tuning gets you a hatch that runs like 11.4 @121 for less than 50k. How on earth do you think that’s not impressive for a 2.0?
It’s also 446. Don’t need to round up (and down on the Porsche) to try and make your point seem better.
the stock one can be compared to the 1 series, not sure why people are surprised tbqh
How is the m2 so friggin heavy?
It's basically an M4 with a body kit. But this doesn't answer the question why the M4 is so heavy.
The Grand Turismo selection screen 😂😂😂😂. Love that game🔥🔥🔥
Porsche 😊 there is no substitute. If I can’t afford one I may just get the golf r now if that’s not in my cards well I stick with my gti lol 😂
2:38 “do something you’re supposed to do”😂😂
"WHAT!?"
-Carsten, 2023
So happy to see a tuned car included in this! It’s a side perspective I enjoy.
Carson talked!
4:55 close your eyes and think "Kermit in a drag race"
I love that a 4 door almost crossover is 450lbs lighter than an M2, North America’s smallest “Ultimate Driving Machine” 2 door sports car.
north America???
what does bmw stand for you? Built Murica Ways?
You mean hatchback?
For the group, yes I was referring to the Golf R. As all vehicles have grown, the R is almost the size of a crossover. Even still the M2 is 450lbs heavier.
"Can we do a rolling race now so I can... y'know, participate?" BMW M2... *laughing hysterically*
I’d still take the tuned r!!
I completely agree with "G W": this is the only "lap time channel" on youtube. Strange for a continent who thinks racing is looking at the fastest car in a straight (and short) line... 😂
Thanks, guys, for the very good job you do
I love the new tuning available for the golfs. I have a 22 GTI and am stage 1 with 370 hp. It’s like the perfect daily (for me) 🤣🙌🏽 love it
Stage 1 does not make 370 hp. You will need stage 2 on 93 octane minimum with supporting mods. IC, DP and TCU tune.
Until it breaks… because ze Germans.
@@genderlessyoutubefanperson on low torque settings with the intake and intercooler, it does. 034 motorsports for reference, and yes it’s on 93. I literally own the car and had it dynoed to make sure 🤣 super impressive
@lawnyyy3044 Well that's damn amazing!
@@lawabiding2576 it’s not bad at all! Car was a super underpowered stock, but I bet VW did it on purpose haha
the fact the 50k less expensive vw with some bolt ons and a tune can even hold a candle to the 100k porsche is really impressive.
Man I thought the vw was was out of its league but wow!😂😁
Best episode ever. Carson was so pissed
Proving yet again that Porsche is magic.
It's 40k over bmw so nothing surprising.
Priving yet again that even on the same HP, the M2 is faster... The BMW destroyed the Porsche on the roll race. It's much faster and serious car.
@@RiasGremoryS54 an m2 ain’t faster hop off bmws dick mate
I owned a Tuned Golf R MK6, and now an 2022 M240i. The Golf R was a monster in a launch. I have not had the opportunity for a roll race with the BMW but it is easier to avoid or overtake on the highway with the BMW.
I still can't believe that M2 is 3900 lbs.!! Porker. As for the Cayman, you have to uncheck the PTV option and it won't cut the power through the bends.
Where do you uncheck the PTV?
@@trigganometry168 when you spec the car. ;) I didn’t mean there was an “off switch” in the car. 😅
@@TML34. The GTS didn’t have the option to uncheck. Haha but yeah I think only the GT4’s you could disable TC fully.
All 3 are great in their own way, I didn't expect the Porsche to hang with the modded golf from standing, glad to see owners get awesome performance out of that price tag.
The Cayman Gts 4.0 is the best car for sale next to a GT3 lol
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@@Flatsixfiesta GT4 RS, Turbo, Carrera T, GT3RS, Sport Classic, Dakar, Spyder, Spyder RS, etc. have also entered chat.
The Gts is actually slightly quicker than the Gt4. I’m surprised people aren’t loving it as much because it’s not a “real gt car”.
The gt4, gt3, gt2 get all the love. All of them are great.
KARSTON SPEAKS!
I'd like to see how a Tuned FL5 Type R would do in these races.
Lose
@@aitorgallego98 😆😆😆
It would lose horribly.
the RGB theme for the car's colors isn't lost on me
See, just sticking a tune in it (Golf R) with a $4000 exhaust has it keeping up with cars double its price.
The DP (if it has one) is the only thing that would even add anything too. The 2k worth of the catback is only a noise mod.
In a straight line, yes.
@@AntFragale Very true. I own a Golf R, cat delete. Disco Potato turbo. I will say the cat delete makes the car a different animal.
If price is your only measure when buying a car, then yes, go with the Golf. If looks and sound are thrown in, the Golf doesn’t do it for me. But that’s just me.
But it's still a golf so.......
And I’m James.. he says it with such tenacity 😂
I am waiting for new generation of Porsche cars 😃😃
I am waiting for a new design generation of bmw...
@@kiwievilbirb4911 i feel for ya :))
Electric cayman - 2tons - have fun
Great race. What’s done to the Golf R?
Intake, downpipe and a tune… not even fbo
Is this your Golf R?
The Porsche looks amazing by the way