2023 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 Quick Review
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- The 2023 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 ($123,750 as specced in Canada, $117,180 as specced in the US) is powered by a 394 horsepower flat six engine, and has a claimed 0-100kmh time of 4.5 seconds. But this naturally aspirated sports car is about much more than straight line acceleration. With its blend of sports car excitement and daily usability, the 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 could be considered as the ‘sweet spot’ between fun and practicality. But what do Thomas and James have to say about this beautifully green Porsche? After all, they have just ordered a competitor to this car - the Lotus Emira. Watch to see what they think! SUBSCRIBE!
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Hey everyone just a clarification. Starting price for the Cayman recently changed (the wrong direction). In the US it's now $96,850 with delivery, and in Canada it's $112,042. And if you've read this far, you are very beautiful and I love you.
I never believed my mom telling me I'm beautiful but now you guys said it too I guess i truly am ☺️
Is it worth 2 Miatas and a motorcycle?
I love you too? uh lol
Porsche doesn't love us though, that's a spicey price for a 981 chassis that's over a decade old.
We love you too
@@Xolition yes
I had an Emira on order for 18 months and cancelled it and got a GTS 4.0 manual and never looked back. The GTS is totally brilliant and I daily it without issue
I think I agree with you. I have an Emira on order and test drove one a month ago. Great car but I do have concerns about potential build quality issues and small dealer network. I own other Porsches and have owned lots of other luxury brands. Nothing touches Porsche build quality IMO. Just ordered a Boxster GTS. I’ll probably take it over the Emira as well.
Remember that emira does many things brilliantly and looks undoubtedly gorgeous. But the Porsche does everything brilliantly.
I test drove an Emira recently and I think the GTS 4.0 is better. The Emira is essentially just a reskinned Evora. It doesn’t drive like a modern car. The shifter is a little fussy and hard to place in gears. The steering while good, isn’t amazing like Mclarens. The GTS 4.0 feels like a glove. It does exactly what you want it to do when you want. The gearbox is buttery smooth, the damping is perfect. The steering is excellent. And it EXISTS. The Emira is great if you want something specifically for the more exotic looks, or you want something with “flaws”. Some people consider that to be character, and I can accept that. The 718 GTS 4.0 is the perfect all around sports car though IMO
@@mono3605 test drove GTS...for a manual i really didn't actually like the buttery smoothness of the shifter...it almost completely defeated the fun of shifting for me...prefer my 04 bmw where it was a real activity actually changing gears...so sticking with Emira order
@@rm1626 yea i get that. And I mentioned that in my comment. Some people enjoy flaws, as adding character. (I will say, I really dislike modern BMW manuals, they are very rubbery and light. Haven't driven something like an 04). Porsche's manual is almost like a PDK-lite. It's so perfect. Every shift is so easy to nail, upshifts and downshifts. I personally love it. You can be fast, and focus on your line, corners, steering, while still having full control of your transmission. You could argue, "might as well just get a pdk" lol, and that's a totally valid argument
All Caymans are gorgeous in the corners. They way they handle transitions and weight transfer is really, really special. I think every enthusiast should get to experience one of these (any Cayman, really!) on a track or great back road at least once in their lives.
Cayman vs Boxter though?
@@tedarcher9120 The Cayman is ever so slightly sharper due to the fixed roof but it is nice to have a drop top. Either one will bring a lot of smiles and fun!
@@MatthewGaither And better that a 911? (obv. different, because of the weight balance, but would you say better?)
@@tedarcher9120 what about Cayman vs RUF 3400S?
@@MatthewGaither yes. Tons of fun like RUF BTR and CTR2.
I have the little flat 4 turbo but I still love this car so much. It drives so ridiculously well.
Until it gets 20k miles and the engine blows.
@@TheRealCatof it's not a Subaru
I had the flat six - just for sounds....and it was soooooo good. Miss it.
@@R4M_Tommy You're right, that's why I said 20k and not 60k
@@TheRealCatof you have no idea how reliable Porsche is
It's 2 am for me and I am literally about to sleep. Looks like I'm not sleeping today
Ti capisco bro ahah
Mi no gusta
Same, but it's 3.30am here now
10 minutes will take away your sleep completely? Really?😂😂😂😂
I’m reading this at 2am 😳
There's a guy in my town with one similar to this, it is at least 2017 or older, a yellow manual one, aftermarket exhaust, definitely a 6 cilinder, that car makes one of the best engine noise I've heard in my life
The 718 Cayman is definitely worth it for me.
6 cylinder stopped being made after 2015
@@lazyoliver345the 718 got a refresh which reintroduced the F6
@@Buuster1999read the original comment- “at least 2017 or older”.
@@neilturner6749 I know, I wasn't referring to that.
I'm talking about the comment mentioning that the F6 stopped being an option on the Cayman/Boxster after 2015.
I’ll admit that I’m biased as an owner, but there is a change in sound when you cross 4K rpm. It’s not just one sound. It becomes much more throaty above 4K.
are you in the US? My understanding is the US spec's OPF is not as aggressive.
@@ThatYellowPokemon Ah, that makes sense. Yes, I’m in the US.
Watched this...and the note about the exhaust not changing tone is an interesting one. The 981 3.4L definitely seems to have a tone change above 6K or so, it's weird to me that the 4.0L in the 982 doesn't have that!
It does change, but only high up in revs. OPF delete is a cheap game changer.
@@jacebeleren429 the US version makes plenty of beautiful noise at 4k
@@JeffJacquesmd I have one in chalk, but it peaks towards the top. It is not the most complex sound, but I love it.
We two competing confirmation bias’s as we have 4.0’s and they have an Emira coming at some point through a reliable dealer network that I am sure they will never need to use. It’s a Camry engine right?
@@JeffJacquesmd Agreed. It is nowhere near as raw as my 987 S was though :(
Aftermarket OAP and a true x pipe exhaust fixes that, but thats not a cheap endeavor!
I love that at 5:14 the little window GoPro in the background just gives up 😂
I'd love it if you'd concentrate on that Porsche instead of that Emira you bought.
I have the base with all the GTS bits and a full leather/Cayman. Manual. It’s amazing and the gearing is great.
Take the OPF filters off. All Porsches come with those now.
Just sold my 2022 Cayman S. They truly are an amazing driving machine, but they are just not great daily drivers or road trip cars. Stiff, cramped and loud is the best way to describe a Cayman on a long trip. Loved it for shorter weekend romps in the mountains and a beast on the track, but daily in traffic, just not great. If you can afford to keep one in the garage for track and a Saturday run through the twisties, its just amazing.
Road tripping in a Cayman? Hmm I never thought about this...I guess if I were a young bachelor ...maybe. If you can only have one car(for road trips, etc) than a 2 seater mid engine sports car is definitely not the one. I thought it was obvious but to each their own.
i got a base model 718 and even if it’s the turbo f4 it’s still an amazing car
I had the same one for about two years and 22k miles (manual too), and the flat-4 was such a strong engine.
That torque in the low rpms is what I love. Coming out of corners is a blast.
Same here, I have a 718T and stage 2 pulling 392HP. Downpipe, sounds so great and I m sure it pulls harder than a GTS 4.0 or even a GT4 due to less weight and higher torque and turbo. The GT4 RS is definitely faster tho.
@@danielrcoster the 718 has some of the RUF BTR2 DNA bro.
@@e5c32 its the better car imho, that torque makes the car so more drivable without having to ring its neck. With an inexpensive tune these pull harder then a gt3 out of corners and will pull on one over the quarter.
So I just got my '23 GTS, manual, leather, comfort seats, bose. It is absolutely fantastic. Street and track- phenomenal
manual is best
@@Jwdude123 I'm a manual whore through and through. Don't care if it's slower. And the trans is fantastic as a manual.
The car is amazing and all but god I hate that color.
I can't wait to drive one, I drove the 981 Cayman GTS on track and it was magnificent.
I own a 981 GTS: tracked it and it’s my daily driver. Amazing car
Clicked on this faster than my dad leaving to grab the milk
I always struggle with this. I really like Porsche and I've done Camp4 and Camp4S and driven quite a few in anger and around the place. They always feel like the perfect car "for everything", but mildly compromised when it comes to all out fun as a result. They never really do lightweight - 50kg on the spyder version (at least the old generation) was disappointing. Seeing so many on the road also makes it feel less special to me. It's also easy to lost in the options. Every car review says how perfect they are - until the new generation comes along.
I was looking at one for an upgrade to my lotus exige 4 cyclinder (because I was trying to adult more) - but my head said yes, but my heart said no. Got the V6 exige. It only does one thing well. Everything else is a compromise. It is objectively a terrible option as a daily driver. But it was and I loved it. It is bullet proof with the toyota engine and drive train. Taken it everywhere. I've done 160,000 km in it.
Then when I went to upgrade that lotus, I went to a 600LT.
I still have the lotus though - you will never pry that from my hands.
This makes sense. At least the case can be made that with the 718 becoming full EV only in a couple of years, that this will be the pinnacle and the final variant of a ICE mid engined Porsche ever made.
Me watching a review of a car I can’t even afford a month lease for
Just bought this today as a daily and only car. Same colour and manual! Pick up in a few days and can't believe it. It's just gorgeous in person and what a fun drive. Obnoxious 😂
Loved your comment about Porsche always finding a way to remove weight. I was at my local dealer recently for a service appointment and they allowed me a sneak peek at a new 718 Cayman GT4 RS they had hidden in the back. I was chatting with one of the staff and we got on this very topic of weight, when he pointed to the Porsche emblem on the front bonnet. He asked me if I noticed anything different, when I looked closer it was indeed different, it was a decal! All in the interest of saving weight. So you are right, Porsche will search for fractions of a gram if it serves their goal. As for your comparison to the Emira, I hear what you guys are saying but I would still take Porsche. It’s easy to fall in love with a car for one reason or another, but what really counts is build quality and the ownership experience after the purchase, and Porsche hands down goes out of their way to service their customers. I can’t say enough about how well Porsche treats me as a customer, and when there is an issue I can’t say enough about the responsibility they take, they genuinely care. I have both modern and classic Porsche cars in my garage, and they treat me and my cars exactly the same regardless the vintage.
I tried to order a new GTS 4.0 over a year ago. The dealer basically said no chance (20+ on the wait list just to get an allocation), so I scoured the West Coast and settled for a lightly used '17 718 S. Great car, and the 4 cylinder doesn't actually sound terrible. It certainly has way more usable torque down low, and not super far off on the hp. I would have loved to order my personal spec, but I'm happy with my first Porsche. Dancing through the back roads is pure bliss...
How long did the dealer tell you the wait for an allocation would be? I hear it’s impossible to get near a new GT3, but I thought the Cayman was widely available.
@@70Kenny For the GTS 4.0 they basically said I was unlikely to even get one before they ended production. A normal Cayman would have probably been no problem. I decided to go used if I couldn't order the one I wanted.
The turbo 4 is the better car. Staged tune and a straight exhaust takes them to another lvl over the 4.0.
@@Malcom2345wrong! It sounds like a Subaru WRX
@@cn0503 Porsche was winning races with the flat 4 before Subaru was even founded so otherway round. It’s a good sounding 4cyl motor.
What a wonderful little car.....from todays perspective - it's the re-incarnation of Porsche from the 50th, small, nimble, light - less HP than the competition but still faster around the track, you can drive home from the track go shopping, the Frunk is awesome for use, the Cayman trunk too....I mean without track I would choose the Boxster/Spyder. Last small - light package - NA - Stick.....that´s the one to get and keep for the generations. Next one will be electric. Sigh.
I just picked up my 2023 gts 4.0 in January and love it. Lotus was the only other I was considering since I required stick. The final straws for me is I don’t wanna pay 100k and have to worry when am I going to get the car, it’s first edition so what problems am I going to have and getting service seems like could be a pain since such a rare brand/car. It’s that price point people with some money can buy it but not like super car money where you’re ok throwing thousands for repair and struggle with dealer/repair network.
I had a Lotus Elise and parts/service put me on the struggle bus. The one Lotus dealer near me was both expensive and full of rude jackarses. It was one of those multi-brand European dealerships with like one or two Lotus techs. Never been treated so poorly before. I wound up sourcing my parts myself from the few Lotus vendors I could find, including having to order parts from the UK. I luckily had a good friend who was ASE certified and was willing to work on her at a friends/family rate. You made the right choice in going with a Porsche. Service is still expensive (warranty is pretty good) but they treat you well and parts are more plentiful.
Yes I was thinking the same thing, I like the looks of the Lotus better, I think performance is very similar. The lotus seems like a more special car but too nervous I'd have to keep flushing money and time to keep it up. For that money I don't want to be killed for a weekend toy.
More like damning me with sweet praise. A starting price $30,000 more than a C8 which is 10x the car and no puke green.
Great video!
Love the color, Porsche are supposed to look like you just got it outta happy meal 😂
It's called Python Green, what a great name ✌
Does Porsche pump fake engine sounds into the cabin?
Gorgeous car, poorly optioned (imo)
Purist vs. Elitist. Purists can still be blue collar and love and care for the rides Elitists dump every other year for the latest model.
If you guys are comming to Europe anytime soon you need to make a review of the Alpine A110, an Amazing sports car!
"Cuppable"; a new automotive review term for all of us to (ahem) adjust. Also: pregnant lady passenger experience should now be required for all sports car testing hereafter.
9:51 Definitely left out the Supra. Sure it's basically a Z4 coupe. But it's fast (with crazy tuning potential) and has a manual (with a pretty competent automatic). The interior leaves a lot to be desired, but it's definitely a great 2-seater for the money!
Although if I had $60K more to spend I would definitely get the GTS instead.
Solution: 981 GTS…
Met James at the gym today ! Super nice and friendly. You both can take my Manual Mustang out for a spin anytime
Philisophical question, since you called the Cayman a sports car: where does sports car end and supercar begin? If a Cayman, Emira, C8, and R8 are all mid-engine and exotic-looking with interesting engines, what makes the R8 unquestionably a supercar while everyone calls a Cayman "just" a sports car? Then you have things that blur the lines like an Emira or C8. I ask this not cause I think the Cayman should be considered a supercar or whatever, but because I just think it's an interesting question to pose.
Power would be the main distinction (along with price...). The R8 with the V8 I personally would not call a super car. The v10 yes, but not the 8.
I don’t think there’s any “solid line”… so it is a bit fuzzy.
But it’s definitely about price, exclusivity and power/speed. Super cars are the real top tier of performance imo.
& just for arguments sake I personally don’t consider the mass produced Audi R8 a super car.
Great review! I own, track, and autocross one of these...a silver '22 with Akra OAPs and Softronic tune (but otherwise stock). Traction control is disabled by pressing and holding the Porsche Stability Management (PSM) button down for like 4 or 5 seconds. There's also a PSM Sport setting which is enabled by pressing and releasing the PSM button normally, but I have no experience in that mode. If I'm on the track, PSM is always disabled.
I just got a 718 GTS 4.0 and put on Flat 6 over axle pipes and did the Softronic tune. My goodness. That tune is ridiculous. Porsche is totally hamstringing this engine so the 718 doesn't encroach on the 911. Now, I think this is faster than a 992 S and will crush most 911s in the corners.
@@glucia2223would like to experience that over my test drive of the 4.0gts recently, was flat and soulless & just didnt compete with my piped and tuned 450hp Boxster S. not sure which way l will go on my next one as have both options avail
@@Malcom2345 you need to hear/drive a 4.0 with over axle pipes. The particulate filters crush the sound. It’s a game changer.
These cars are very stiff and very durable. I have a 981 Boxster S with 76,000 miles, and it drives like new. I have a cat back exhaust and stage one tune and it makes north of 340hp.
With headers and stage two it makes 370hp, truly all you need for the street.
There are guys tracking these with 150,000 miles on them. Just keep up on the maintenance and it’s no worries. It has lifetime drive axles and timing chain. I do my own maintenance which takes about one Saturday every summer. If you buy a Quick Jack it’ll pay for itself in less than two years. I spend 200 a year for basic maintenance and replace soft tires every two years but there’s a price for everything and it’s well worth it for the sheer pleasure every time I drive it.
You can get a 2013-2015 with 40,000 miles or less in really great condition for 50k or less.
To me the greatest driving experience for your buck. I get compliments all the time and it’s an excellent daily driver.
I’m old and have driven a ton of cars. There really isn’t anything like a mid engined
Porsche.
Hey. I have the same but a Cayman s 981 with soul performance car back exhaust. I get completed from people all the time. Which stage one did u get?
Nothing wrong with the gearing. Don’t need leather everywhere in a sports car. Save that for a 911 which is a grand touring car these days. And the interior will age way better then the Emira in 10 years. I love analog gauges and physical buttons.
I ordered it last October, and I am going to get it next week
i call bullshit on your take regarding the sound, it does change across the rev range, it’s not as great as the gt3, but better than any current turbo porsche engine. what doesnt sound great at all is the camry v6 in the emira though 😅
Imagine the Cayman/Boxster lineup with the 2.0 and 2.5 liter turbo-4s replaced with naturally aspirated 3.0 and 4.0 liter flat 6s instead. Base model - 3.0 liter flat 6 (Carrera motor without turbos, basically). S - 4.0 liter. GTS - 4.0 liter with a few extra horses and all the performance goodies as standard. Done. DONE. DOOOOOOONNNNNNEEEEE!!!
There are so many used Caymans for cheap, and it makes this older design look cheap as well, unfortunately. I’d rather buy a 911 instead
these are so sick - i saw that the 982/718 cayman with the 4 cylinder boxer is okay but i got myself a 981 cayman and it’s fantastic! has a lovely flat 6 and is like 60% off and still an incredible car
This is the way
Try a 718, you’ll regret buying the 981.
@@LateNightDateNight nah, I’m good with my 981 Spyder.
@@LateNightDateNight im sure ill check out a 718 GT4 at some point - just cant refuse how great of a deal 981s can be in the overall sports car market, especially the base models
It's a great car! I had a 2022 GTS 4.0 and sold it recently. The car is close to perfect except for the gearing. The gears, as everyone has already said, are too long and since the engine is amazing and revs to almost 8000 rpms, you get into "go to jail" speeds very quickly as you chase those revs. The car is amazing but it would be almost perfect with shorter gearing, where you could really enjoy revving the car out on the street without risking losing your license. I had a manual but I've heard others say the gearing is not as much of a problem with the PDK.
Why'd you sell it?
Mine is a PDK🙂. Shark blue with espresso natural leather.
@@TheHunter1182 I don't tend to keep cars long. I have my fun with them and then I move on to something else. I was able to get good money for it, close to what I paid.
@@tamasszabo8824 Great combo! Mine was GT Silver with Graphite Blue all leather!
This is why I went for the 2.5 Turbo GTS. Sure, it doesn’t sound AS good, but it still sounds good.. and it’s super peppy and tons of torque. I love it
I love my GTS 4.0 and mine's also Python Green. I have different wheels and a two-tone Black / Chalk leather interior. It is an absolutely fabulous car and it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
"if it costs as much as nissan z it wouldnt be as desireble" is the dumbest shit i ever heard from you guys.
Bose system sounds like shit as is, but $40 Dayton Audio ND20FB-4 tweeters fix 70% of the problem, and some insulation/damping for the door panel/speaker pocket will really help the bass, you’re going to be very impressed by the quality improvement
This beauty deserves a full fledged review
I own one of these, and the added OPF together with the active exhaust valve mechanism just kills the sound, especially at lower revs below 4000. It definitely needs some aftermarket work to do if sound is what exhilarates your drive.
I'd ALSO be willing to just 'shrug off' the dated center console, IF it didn't cost OVER $100K!
I have the 981 GTS and it is the most enjoyable car that I have ever had. Flat, precise handling, superb suspension, lovely exhaust note and the engine right behind you, is just addictive. A true lightweight sports car that puts a huge grin on my face every time I get in it.
The better car is the 981 imho. Upgraded to the 718S over mine for a number of reasons but the 981 is a better all rounder then the new 4.0.
Need to update your USD price info... These are $100k now.
Porsches are great cars, I’ve owned a 981 Boxster, 718 Cayman, 991.2 911, 992 C2S, and currently a Cayenne coupe and love(d) them all. However, they are getting absolutely delusional with their new car prices. Although they obviously punch above their weight, we have a base 911 with 379 hp that is $125k with options. A 379 hp car for $125k😐. We have this Cayman GTS, great car but again $110k with options. Both these cars are going to most likely get rolled on the highway by a $65k M2 and without a doubt get rolled at all speeds by an $85k M3 or M4 xDrive.
I traded my 21 M2 Comp when I got the C2S brand new back in 2021 and although the C2S is undoubtedly faster, I can’t say it’s all that more fun than the M2 comp was for less than half the price.
4 years ago I felt like Porsches were fairly priced but now definitely overpriced. Go with BMW unless money is absolutely no object to you, then go with both!
Those same cars are pushing the equivalent of $200kUSD in Australia. I think a GT4 is north of $400kAUD. I have a 987 Cayman S and if I went for a new S with similar options I'd be near $220kAUD.
@@Gnrnrvids unbelievable. I certainly hope wages are higher in Australia to compensate for the price difference vs US prices.
My other complaint with these new Porsches is that they don’t sound near as good as they used to. With the price of a new base 911 it should sound amazing and I can attest that the 992 C2S does not sound amazing. I get it with the new regulations it’s difficult to make a car sound amazing but what boggles my mind is that people are still paying these prices for a sports car that doesn’t sound that great.
@@jgway9980 largely yes I think wages are higher in line with differences in value of the dollar. Porsche often have the cars specced standard with things that would be options in the us. Eg I think all 957 cayennes had air suspension as standard. Ford do similar. The FN mustang was $75k here on launch a few years ago, but we only got the fully optioned version here.
@@jgway9980 housing is mental here now though. The area I grew up in for example the median house price is pushing $1m aud which is insane compared to even as little as 25 years ago when they might have been say $100k.
@@Gnrnrvids tough state of affairs for sure. So sad to see so many people get priced out of the housing market.
Just 2 years ago I purchased the C2S new with a $5k dealer discount. $127k out the door. Same car would be about $150k now. Ironically I also purchased a house 6 months prior to that. Sure it’s great my house is worth more than I paid but it’s fool’s gold because if I sold I would just have to overpay to buy another place.
I owned the Cayman S in the first model year 2006. It was amazing to drive. I could take every on-ramp at 3 x the recommended speed. So if the sign said 30 mph, I could nail it at 90. Unbelievable to drive fast on the track. Kept it for 6 years then went back to the 911 GTS. Now back into the 911 Turbo S.
In 2025, the Cayman & Boxster will be EV cars. Will definitely miss the ICE mid-engine 718 cars!!! I thinks Porsche is making a huge mistake taking away their best and most fun ICE sports cars for shitty EV capability‼️‼️‼️
How do you not like the sound of this?? Gives me chills
I think they want it to sound more like for example an Alfa Romeo 4C.
718 GT4 owner.
I personally don't think the tall gearing is the main issue but it is part of the problem. For me, the main issue is the 4 liter doesn't sound alive until you are at least half way through the RPM band. If Porsche managed to make the engine sound more lively down low, people wouldn't be complaining nearly as much. If it the Cayman/Boxster 4 liter sounded more like the GT3 4 liter in the GT4RS/Spyder RS, most of the complaining would go away as you wouldn't be forced to rev the engine out so much to actually hear it.
Changing out the exhaust would fix some of the problem, making the car sound a little different earlier.
If you haven't heard the flat-4, it's not quiet especially with the valved sport exhaust. It's just a more guttural sound which seems to throw auto journos and purists into a tizzy.
oap + jcr exhaust = problem solved
There's also the induction sound, it lacks the building crescendo of the 9A1 engines. On a hp/liter basis, the 9A1 is actually a ways higher and revs lower, thus making more torque. Simple physics is the engine is breathing better, hence the auditory harmony.
As an owner I say the problem is that the GT4 RS exists
HATE that green, but I like the Cayman design a lot more than I used to w. 1st gen, esp. with that GT4 big wing, looks neat,
8:39 no chance you were breaking mechanical grip with those inputs at low rpm 😂. PSM off gives you loads of slip
I will say that my 2010 Boxster S has more character in the engine noise. If any Cayman GTS 4.0 owner wants that enhanced experience, I would consider a trade....
F**king love watching these videos. Especially on the toilet or eating dinner after work!!!!!!!! Awesome content my boys keep it up 👍🏼
What I really wanted to see was the modified Golf R - what lap times did that get when the cameras were off??
Everyone Emira or cayman
It would be great if you guys could drive the alpine A110, curious how you would compare it to these kind of cars :D
what a track would look like 100 years after humans vanished from the earth
Biggest problem with the Emira is the engine is an old 2GR engine without D4S, and it doesn't have special internals, a dry sump or anything that makes the engine anything different than a 10 year old Camry engine, besides the supercharger. It doesn't feel as special because of that, but it is probably a blast to drive.
Porsche Cayman GTS. The car that made James feel thankful he's not well endowed 🤣
Feels like both car aren't real (Amira and Cayman) since you guys are still waiting for your Amira and I'm still waiting for my Cayman that I ordered in March 2022 (still don't even have a vin). What dreams are made of ? Great video, keep up the good work.
March 2022?! When did they firm up their allocation to you? I ordered my in Aug 2022 with allocation, took delivery end of Jan 2023
I struggle to understand who the target for this car is at that price. If you are buying it for the track there are a library of better track cars for half or 3/4 the price which are easier and less costly to repair. At that price wouldn’t you want to get a used 911 instead?
718 is much more nimble and feels smaller/lighter than a 911. More of a sports car vs a GT car with the 911. Of course there’s no bad choices to be made here
I think the GT4 does look good / better with the rear wing. But yeah... has its appeal
I have a turbo flat 4 and a na flat 6 😎
Sadly theyre both in Subarus...
Why do you as english speakers pronounce Porsche like the germans do but you don't pronounce french cars like citreon, renault like the french do? In english it's Porsh not porsh-aah!
I cant believe thomas is "living with a 718" instead of driving his 48k ae86
Never gets tired watching a Porsche review.
While the 718 GTS is super dope and I'd love to have one, either a Cayman or a Boxster GTS, that 4L is NOT from the 911 GT3 as you guys just claimed, it's actually from the 2016 Carrera, it started it's life as a 3L turbo flat 6, not the GT3's 4L....
Edit: you stated GT4.... not GT3, but im still right, because the 718 GT4 actually does use the 911 GT3's 4L F6, but again, the 718 GTS 4L are based off of the 2016 Carrera's 3L with its turbos removed and its displacement increased.
The 718 GTS 4.0 and 718 GT4/Spyder are identical engines. The GTS revs to 7800 instead of 8000 and makes a touch less power but it’s literally identical and based on the 3.0L from the 911 and has nothing to do with the GT3 4L engine
@@GoldPlatedCheese no.
Again, the 718 GTS 4.0 has a F6 derived from a Carrera, it starts it's life as a 3L turbocharged F6.....in contrast, both the 718 GT4 RS and Spyder RS get their powerplant directly from the GT3 911, per Porsche directly.
@@johnnygeorgopoulos4072 correct. I’m your original comment (and edit) you had mentioned that the 718 GT4 uses the GT3’s 4L F6. I’m aware that the GT4RS and RS Spyder use the GT3’s 4L F6 and that the regular 718 GT4, 718 Spyder, and GTS 4.0 are using the Carrera based engine.
Honestly, I think Porsche having not redesigned the interior is unacceptable. Obviously the driving dynamics are amazing but that doesn't mean it should get a pass for the interior being multiple generations behind. The interior components are only a slight upgrade from a 2006 997. It's extraordinarily outdated and for the price there are many cars that offer the same performance with better technology. Especially if we're saying you can daily drive them. Especially considering the base GTS doesn't even feel luxurious. The interior tech just unacceptable and on a 100k plus car, the base model doesn't feel premium. Additionally, although it has a flat 6, the power just doesn't compare to it's less expensive and more luxurious competitors. This price is in M4 territory which is over 500hp with amazing dynamics and a very luxurious interior. Same with the Lotus Emira. I don't care that it "drives like a Porsche" if my former 2012 Acura MDX has better tech and more leather. And yes, I've driven one. Doesn't make sense to hand out exceptions to very flawed cars just because they're a "Porsche"
Thanks, good commentary. I like the arguments. I own a C8 Z06 and a 987.1 Cayman S. I still wanna try a 911 Turbo.
Widowmaker: a term coined by German pilots terrified of their flawed Luftwaffe F104G Starfighter seemed fitting for the Porsche 930 Turbo. I wonder how many foolish Americans buy a rear wheel drive Porsche and don't know what they are getting into. This and Mustangs are known for being the biggest widowmakers due to their rear wheel drive and torque combination.
I kinda doubt that you don’t know this, but just in case - Doppelkupplungsgetriebe is the literal German translation of dual (doppel) clutch (kupplung) transmission (getriebe). The missing “s” is to make it grammatically correct as a single word.
Das Doppelkupplungsgetriebe, to be exact 😃
I have a theory that a 718 GTS and a GX550 is the best 2 car solution with a warranty money can buy. What I don’t have is $200,000 to prove that theory correct.
Porsche is becoming a bit of a rip off. I mean £120k for an ugly dated interior. Only 2 seats. Impracticality...and power output that the entry level German performance cars, at less than half the price, would put this to shame...
I'm not really buying into this.
I didn't realize the Cayman 4.0 revs were limited, that's some serious bullshit. 7800 rpm? I've driven V10s that rev higher, what's even the point?
Today every time you go for more torque from a turbo charged car you end up needing 4 wheel drive or they can’t apply it, or software intervenes and steadies your progress for you, to make you look like an F1 prodigy. Additionally throttle response is terrible compared to a lovely ICE engine and weight ends up being your enemy… with even bigger brakes and suspension arms to manage its shear mass so hopefully you don’t notice until you are deep into a fast tight corner like an SUV. These cars will always be the best because modern engineering has just lost its way long ago.😂❤
The GTS 4.0 is the best Porsche. Ditch the automatic and those silly seats. No big obnoxious wing makes this even better. Ick GT4.... pretentious nonsense.
OMG the forum people go crazy if you mention turning the PSM completely off. "You don't need to do that, you're gonna crash!"
SO. MUCH. WANT. The perfect sports car daily.
Why even complain that it's not a flat six? You're not reviewing a 911. It's a Cayman. Can't watch past 1:15
Thomas…it would appear you suffer from the same affliction I do. You wear a different watch every day. How about a wristwatch check one of these days? 😂😊
I wondered if the 2.5L GTS would actually be faster around the TH test track. Got a feeling it will be lol.
YES, I have waited for you to review the GTS 4.0 for EVER ❤️ I know this is just a "GT4 Touring" but that's precisely why I like this more than the GT4 🥰 (But obviously the GT4 is better :) )
P.D. You analyzed the sound beautifuly, it only has one tone and that's why even though it's a 4.0 L, N/A, Flat Six like the GT3 this isn't even close to the sound of a GT3 🧐
Id say that the GT4 is the “better” track car. But unless you live on a track the GTS 4.0 is the every day thriller
@@JeffJacquesmd Yes, exactly! Just like you said :)
I dont know if he is saying that the flat six isnt that good of a sound or the cayman 4.0 gts doesnt make a good sound, because if he is, he is wrong on both.
There are layers to that gts sound, there is exaust, there is induction, there is 4 k rpm, there is 5 k rpm, and the rest is just different tones of music.
Bmw on the other hand, is monotone has fuck
394hp wtf is that a lawnmower.... my pickup truck has 450
My C8 costs a lot less and I'm running 495hp.
@Muffin Man those c8 corvettes are incredible. I want one.
Would put absolute busses on your truck on the track and a drag race
i legit was going to ask if y'all stopped doing videos on this channel. Happy to know that y'all are still posting vids on it !
Great video tho and the color is SICK
Rear wheel drive so there is zero steering control over 150 kmh and the gearing on the porsches are way too tall. If only they listen posches would be on another level
Wow that is an ugly spec. Horrible green with black interior and red stitching and belts? yuk!
Porsche reliability is the big factor that swings things into its favor, IMO. Especially relative to Lotus.
Nonsense. I have an ‘05 Elise. Way more reliable than a Boxster or Cayman. Modern Lotus cars use Toyota drivetrains and electronics.
@@craigyirush3492 Yeah, but everything else is Lotus, and doesn't hold up well. Both a track buddy and myself had Elise's and Exige's. All had problems with AC, electrical issues, body creak issues, etc. I went to a C5 Z06 for a track car now, and while not as light weight, a ton more fun, and reliable.
@@truthserum5310 the electrics are Denso. I’ve got lots of hard road and track miles on my Elise with zero electrical or mechanical issues apart from a leaky radiator at 50k miles. They are rugged little cars.
@@craigyirush3492 It was also just too compromised for me being in South Florida. Factory HVAC was mediocre at best. Used to drive it all the way up to PBIR and back. Took too much of a toll.
I got my photos last week and mine is currently in transit to the port. Tracking it on the site is pretty cool.
I had the privilege of renting one of these through Turo last summer for a long weekend at Watkins Glen. What an absolutely brilliant car, even though my driving was limited to public roads not the track itself. That flat-4 makes a great sound, and has all the power you need! Probably the best vehicle I've ever driven.
Me on a Fridaynight 7:20
Wish you’d not knock the center console infotainment. Do you want a hideous screen stuck on the top of the dash?