Is THIS the new 2JZ? A deep dive into BMW's S58
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- Is THIS the new 2JZ? A deep dive into BMW's S58: After 2 years of beating up our 1000bhp S58 engines, we took them to the experts of BMW M drivetrain development to disassemble and take a thorough look inside. Then we did a detailed analysis, and compared our findings of the S58 with the 2JZ - an engine, that's legendary in the world of tuning and motorsports.
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We spoke to Kevin last year at Goodwood FOS but it's great to see even more info on the build process and also how the components are standing up to all the abuse. What an amazing opportunity to teardown the engine with BMW M themselves.
We took a little different approach for our road going 1000hp+ builds but also keeping many of the standard parts because BMW did such a good job designing the S58.
S58 is king 👑 but respect to the 2J for holding the crown since 94’
Ive never driven one but if its anything like the s55 its fire
U dnt go above a 2jz u can sit beside it. Caus believe me it’s 2jz out there right now that will kill any s58.
@@bigjdm5460unfortunately, no there’s not. Those Tex2k A80 Supras have as much Toyota in them as the A90 Supra does. Once you start going billet block, new internals, overhauled fuel system, etc it’s no longer the same engine so what it can do from there means nothing besides an arbitrary number. S58s already make way more power on a stock rotating assembly than the 2JZ ever did & the DME isn’t even unlocked yet.
@bigjdm5460 OK. Just you keep your kia
@@BPF80MCar-vi1pg I have a is500 and forged 2jz build currently………nice try
It is a testament to modern engineering, manufacturing, and technology that one can boost a factory engine to over 1000hp. Great video
It’s literally just forged pistons and crankshaft, but these are the weakest forged pistons to exist if they only handle 860whp
Thank you for this video, this is very useful to see the engineering put into the S58 and it shows how highly capable this engine is.
While you can't really match a 2J platform's simplicity with modern emissions standards, BMW is absolutely the closest you can get. I've been preaching that since the N54, all the way to the exceptional S58!! Thanks for the video!
The bmw inline 6s are no where close to simple 💀
@@annoymouse890 they didnt tay that the BMW inline 6 was simple. he said the 2J platforms were simple.
@@annoymouse890the b58 isn’t anything crazy idk about the s58 I don’t have one
valvetronic isn’t simple nor are any of the electronics
My big take away is with a good warm up and proper maintenance, these things are very reliable
Modern engines don’t really need to “warm up” to an extent, if it’s like negative degrees out yeah you should probably warm up any car.
@@chikmnunget yes and no, you can drive any engine straight away, but you should try and put the least amount of stress on the internals as possible by easing the car along and always waiting until the car has has reached operating temp to get any sort of power out of it
Love the depth of info in this episode! 🙏🏽
That’s why we have 2 S58s. M3 and x3m. Loving this platform
Absolutely excellent video, I really appreciate the transparency!
Did the combustion chambers ever get cleaned? Were there any cracks?
This is great info!!! Thanks so much for the deep dive.
One thing is for sure, you guys have one hell of a good tuner.
A great knowledgeable tuner is the key and the Motec ecu that can control every aspect. Because once there is knock it can destroy any engine.
Very cool video. Thanks for sharing your findings
WONDERFUL wonderful video, great editing, great narrating as well. 10/10...
The cameraman ability to focus on the parts in view and stand hold the camera without the frame wandering around needs much work unfortunately but again: thank you for a brilliant video 🔥🙏🏾
Have the s58 in my x4 M comp and it’s not missed a beat in 80,000 miles, what an engine.
Bro I can’t find those anywhere how many miles did you get it at? What year? How much did you get it for? I found 2 2020’s for 45k and 47k
What can’t you find ? The car ?
I'm about to pull the trigger on an x3m comp. So I won't regret it?
@@madrx2 biggest complaints people have are the S58 has no low end torque, the B58 is much better for daily driving in that aspect. Comps are known to be uncomfortable to ride in due to how stiff the suspension is. I’ve had the pleasure of driving an X3 M40i and it RIPS. Plus very easy to make more hp with. I would recommend a M40i over a comp unless you live in perfect conditions and have a different daily.
Test drive, then test drive again, as it’s been said the B58 is a better cruiser in the X3M40I, actually better on motorways as well as it stays in gear, but ………
We don’t buy M cars to cruise about, the S58 wants to be revved and comes alive over 4k
I’ve driven to southern Italy and northern Norway in the middle of winter, this car is capable and I prefer it to softer set ups.
I’ve rung its neck round the Nurburgring and it preformed unbelievably, brakes, engine, suspension the lot.
If your looking for a fast SUV that preforms Pull the trigger and don’t look back, if your looking for a cruiser that glides over bumps and rolls round corners, get an X5 Diesel.
Enjoy 🤝🏻
Just fall in love with this Engine, and i love that Sound on high RPM
Wirklich gut erklärt, auch für Laien leicht verständlich...
Weiter so ...
Love this engine family, I have the older brother of the motor, the N54, BMW turbo 6 cylinder motors are beautiful
Very impressive I definitely love the S58
Just killed it with this video! I was looking for head gasket information and came across this and got stuck watching and couldn't stop. Unfortunately I think my head gasket is leaking coolant into the cylinders. Stock engine 30k miles no abuse .... but still we have rusty spark plugs, steam coming out the tail pipes and we are using coolant. Not gonna be fun, she loves her car so I'm gonna have to change the head gasket. I might make a video when I do it.
The best advertisement BMW ever could have 😂😂
That was a very educated video!! Thank you!!!!
I agree with 98% of the chart minus the section on parts availability. There are hundreds of manufacturers of aftermarket parts support for the 2jz that are readily available. Even talking OEM parts, your local Lexus / Toyota dealer has a majority of parts available for a 2jz with the cross platforms like IS300 / LC300 etc. You can even buy a complete 2jz gte rotating assembly shortblock right at a dealer.
The S58 / B58 platform are still ramping up on aftermarket support and it's great to see but I still think the 2JZ section should have been 4-5 stars on parts availability
I'd say the B58 would have more parts available than the S58 since it's been out longer(since 2015) and is in more cars(almost 22 at best other than the supra)than the S58(maybe 5-6 at best)but I'd say that due time since Bmw plans to keep the B58 around a bit threw the 2030s also,I'd say they'd have parts(other than bmw updating them)more available for the B58 in the future more than the S58 unless bmw puts the S58 in more platforms/cars they have now.
@carboydorifutoparty3976 true, but the b58 isn't holding together with 1000hp
yea but you dont need anything to make this crazy numbers like he said 1039 hp and 1285 nm of torque on all stock engine just a bigget turbo and port injection so the reallity is youdont even need much
@@ltortur3rl you need quite a bit actually
@@kanakaspec you need more to make this numbers on a 2jz so i dont see your point here
Great video!
I'm dreaming of getting an X3M next couple years...this drivetrain is best BMW has had for decades
It actually looks really good. What engine oil did you used in this period?
Excellent video
Great video
Interesting and informative 🇯🇲
They should make port fuel injection kit for the s58. Oem or after market. I don't want to clean the intake valves. Asap. For the x3m competition from 2020.
What specific Motul oil did you guys run on it?
Yes those Beer-rings. An authentic German ;) Mate love your work..
😅 Many thanks!
Really wanted to see the back of the valves and what the engineers had to say about the added port injection.
I’m sure it helped keep carbon build up to a minimum on an originally a di fuel system which is notorious for carbon to build up in.
Why is that drift guys know a shit ton about cars? Bravo. Great video 👏
will there be a part 2 with the rest of the focused shots ?
Do you guys run the car to a higher redline than the stock 7200? With your sequential transmission it should be able to go higher since it's the ZF that brought the redline down from the S55. Also is more broad aftermarket MoTec support coming for the S58?
Raising redline doesn’t always mean more power if the turbos meet peak boost at for example 6800 no reason to spin the motor to 7200. Also the trans wouldn’t stop the car from reving higher
Good in-depth analysis of the s58 engine keep on drifting
To tune a stock s58 what kit is needed ? Which company has developed a tuning package?
im amazed i have a n55 it has its short comings of course but a great motor and its in 2011 135i and just keeps rippin the technology started with the n54 the s58 is the final chapter what a incredible motor swap it in my e82 135i is what im thinkin thanks for the vid
How is parts availability higher on an engine that came out a few years ago compared to one available and tuned for 30y?
What a fantastic educational and insightful video.
Doubly impressive that it's so well done in English.
I'd love to know how much power you think you could get out of a B58 😂
👏👏👏
padakis racing made a Mk5 Supra with 1000hp already, which is after changing to stronger bore engine block, stock can go up to 600-700hp I guess
thank you very much for the video!
Have you guys had a chance to compare the weight of the two?
What weight oil were you guys running in that S58?
Amazing!
Hello what type oil did you guys use
What oil did you use in these engines, I may have missed it?
Can I get around 700hp with catless down pipe, single midpipe and mhd tuning? Is it safe?
Any chance you can ask those guys at BMWM why BMW chose not to pin or key the timing sprocket to the crank/crank hub on the N54/S55, etc? I and many others would love to know the technical reasoning that has led to so much pain and suffering.
What oil have you been using?
Gawd I would love to put an s58 in my 98 z3 m roadster even if it was just stock it would be insane
would looove rto see a s58B38 and why not a similar b58 with or as a v10
This really shows how insane the 2JZ really is taking its age into consideration🔥
Yes but its to old
How many Kilometers or Working-Hours does the Engine have?
From a s14 2JZ owner, of course the S58 is a better motor. We're looking at almost 35 years between the two. IMHO, the S58 BETTER be BETTER with that much time and technology. But the 2JZ is NO doubt WAY ahead of its time, and for BMW to FINALLY come up with 2 inline-6 turbo motors (S5x & B58) to dethrone a legend, says something about the 2JZ
At 12:14 there appears to be some galling if you freeze frame it
The life of this engine comes down to one thing, a great tuner.
They are an absolute champion.
And a motorsports grade ecu, Motec.
Did I miss it? What was the mileage of the car? Two years is meaningless (but maybe I missed it). Thanks for the info on the internals - very interesting!
What oil viscosity do you guys use? in these engines when running 1000bhp
0w20 😂
@@optionant5963 image if they actually used the oil BMW recommends in these cars 🤣
@@optionant5963 probably service it every 15,000kms as well 😭🤣
cooling is the key
You should concider to zoom a bit more in and out and shake the camera around a little more. I don´t get motion sick enough from it as is.
The cameraman has no idea how to record 😂….. motion sickness indeed
I knew when I bought mine that I was making a good choice. I've had it for a year and I still love it the same as when it was new. 1000hp would be nuts.
can you ask the camera man to keep the shot stable, I'm getting dizzy just watching this video
BMW waits until now to have such a magnificent S58 motor when everyone is getting pushed into electric and hybrid. Better late than never
BMW has never been better for engines or worse for styling. Turbulent times
The grille looks fine. If you don't like it, you can buy an aftermarket front end aero kit
@@cumhugs Not just the grille. Look at the new M135i, the new M5, new 7 series. They're ugly as sin.
Agreed I still believe engines like the s54 and s65 was some of the best most enjoyable engines made by bmw, just extreamly unreliable
the long time bmw designer that made F30 / F10 etc look so stylish hasn't been part of the team anymore sadly.. F8X is so hot@@ReplicantBattyman
@@BMWROYALmost bmw “engines” are reliable like the n54. Its just everything around the engine that isn’t reliable
1200 hp with stock internals that come in factory cars is just absolutely insanity to me
I want that redbull X BMW hoodie
The exhaust ports are not merged in the cylinder head like the B58. Interesting…
That's just the 2 port B58 that's like that. The 6 port B58s have the usual traditional heads.
Is DI more of a risk for engine fires if the piston hits the head? Has this ever been researched?
Most strong, high power straight 6s BMW create are the 'new 2JZ'. People said the N54 was the new 2JZ, then in more recent years that engine has been superseded by the B58, and this video is talking about the S58. You could say the S55 is the new 2JZ.
Every new 6 cylinder BMW engine that comes out is always called "the new 2jz" lmaooo
Ich glaube auch dass man um 1000PS zu erreichen beim S58 viel günstiger davon kommt als an nem 2J. Aber trd, beides einfach 2 geile 6 Zylinder
6:17 so are we just ignoring the fact that there is a sad emoji on that cylinder wall 🧐🧐🧐
When will they add port injection to both B and S58 so that the carbon buildup is alleviated?
1200 hp on stock insides is unbelievable. Also is this where we are at now? This production quality only gets abt 700subs?
The 2JZ king is dead. Long live the new king S58. RIP 2JZ, and no disrespect to the former king as it was/is awesome.
The new 2jz bmw s58 😮
BMW finally learned how to make reliable revolutionary new technology.
This fella must not have heard the word BARRA before!
Any thoughts on production quality of German built s58 vs Mexican built s58s?
I don't believe the S58 is produced in Mexico, only the B58
@@PlayafromtheHimalayas isn’t the new m2 exclusively made at BMW SPL in Mexico?
@@Dhime I could be wrong but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the S58 for the M2 is shipped over from Germany
@@BinaryBlueBull fair enough, I’m just assuming myself..
S58 is built in germany and shipped to mexico
In my opinion the b58 is better than the 2jz as well. If you want an inline 6 that’ll do 10s in the 1/4 with just a turbo and a fuel pump and some supporting mods it’s easier to do. Proven to hold 1000hp as well. And a 140i can be had for 20k now value for money
Besides the crankhub thisng .rhe s55 ia an awsome engine its super easy to tune and loves being rung out. My F80 is fast as hell but van be very relaxing at rhe same time
What would it take to bring a B58 up to par with the S58?
B58 needs fully built internals above 650hp. But you can typically run stock parts w/ high flow downpipe up to 500HP on OTS maps. You might be able to get a bit more with custom tunes depending on the fueling available to you
@@Shane-fh4uuno u can make over 700whp+ on stock internals easily with the B58. The 650whp range is dangerous on certain/early gen B58s that came with the weaker hpfps. The B58s with the stronger hpfp(newer ones)can take that but people usually go port once they start tapping into the 700whp+ range. There are multiple B58s making 700+whp easily and stock internal 800whp B58s are slowly becoming more common.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 This is news to me. I mean I looked it up it is still pretty much consensus that for safety 600-650 is the highest you should go on stock internals. I also spoke to the tuning experts at Westtuned when I had my B58 gen2 bench unlocked and they had a couple supra builds at 1000HP and they said for sure they would not go above 600 HP for safety without fully built engine. Maybe it can handle 650+ on stock internals but it probably won't last long if you are frequently driving it hard.
I plan to keep my car for 100k miles so even with Stage 2 tune I use 91 oct map with 93 oct gas
@@Shane-fh4uu 650 is on the very safe side for the newer iterations. 750 is more realistic before adding built rods.
@@Shane-fh4uuwrong, a few b58TU engines are currently above 1,000hp stock motor.
If only we could see where the s58 would be in 20 years!
Can't argue with that...
The N54 version of this motor can make the same power with similar modifications and it came out 15 years ago. Guess they had to put it in a Toyota to get approval from the masses.
Hell, the B58 is its own legend being able to hold 750HP 👍🏻
Currently over 1,000hp stock b58TU- s58 is a b58 but with 2 turbos and a slightly better flowing head
how high was the mileage? Probably not much
The mileage is not important here ….it’s how has been driven , this engine had hard life but it shows how good is
I feel little more comfortable running 707whp 737 ft lb torque on my gen 2 B58 (M340I)
Damn.. That's what they talked about when the N54 was released.. Then B58.. And now, S58.. 😂
Except b58 has already been tried and tested, and I’m confident s58 will be even better
Dont forget about the RB26 engine. A phenomenal engine
The s58 is the best engine in the world
sucks that the new designs dont look as good as the new engines perform
The audio of your voice if low so I have to turn up the volume but the music is so loud then blows my eardrums
RB IS KING! case closed
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What is the mileage ?
What difference would the mileage make?. This car is being pushed to the maximum and driven extremely hard , it’s a drift car not grocery getter
@@Top_g80comp sure but if it only has 1000 miles on it its almost new
Inline 6 is the king of motors
B58😮
S58 is 3jz
at the moment its the N54 Price per cost. S58 is an M engine so it will never be cheap
s55 betta