Building a 1000HP B58 MK5 Supra Engine
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- Brett and Jay dive into the B58 assembly process, on this 1000hp capable engine. What are your thoughts on this platform?
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- CP 82mm STD Pistons. Part Number: SC7705-06
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- Brian Crower ProH625+ H-Beam Rods. Part Number: BC6321HD
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- ARP Head Stud Kit CA625+. Part Number: 203-4706
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- King Rod Bearings. Part Number: CR6887GPC
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- King Bearings XPC Race Coated Main Bearings STD. Part Number: MB7779XPC
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- Kelford Stage 2 Camshafts. Part Number: 258-B
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- Kelford Beehive Springs Titanium Retainers. Part Number: KVS58-BT
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- ARP Main Stud Kit. Part Number: 203-5409
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- Cometic MLX Head 83mm Gasket. Part Number: C14144-040
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Should we compare the newer B58 MK5 engine with a 2JZ engine? Show the differences...👀
yes!
If the McLaren F1 uses a BMW engine. That should tell you everything you need to know.. I don’t think Toyota would have used a BMW engine if it wasn’t capable
They use a mercedes engine@@MrAtvfan
Considering multiple decades, I think the expectation is the B58 will be a much more technically advanced motor- but it will never be a 2JZ. But yes, please make a video.
The only issue I have with the B58 is the Valvetronic nonsense. It’s an emissions thing (mostly) and I’m not sure if you can delete it.
The B58 engine is a beast and it's very bulletproof. It's a worthy successor to the 2JZ.
Its a worthy successor to the N55.
Has absolutely nothing to do with the 2JZ or Toyota...
@@jzaeightyFeeling triggered?!? No one said the B58 has anything to do with the 2JZ, but Toyota chose it instead of using a 2JZ or developing a successor to the 2JZ, so it's the closest thing to a successor. Not only that, but it's bulletproof.
@@darylmorse The 7M led to the 1JZ. The 1JZ led to the 2JZ. One succeeded the other and they are all Toyotas. The B58 has no roots with Toyota at all. You called the B58 a successor to the 2JZ, which have fuck all to do with each other. That's all I said. What you said is like saying the Coyote is a worthy successor to the LS, it makes no sense. Don't get mad at me because you don't understand basic English.
@@jzaeighty Except that Toyota chose the B58 for the Supra rather than design their own "successor" to the 2JZ. Lots of people are referring to the B58 as a successor to the 2JZ in that sense. There is a commonality between the engines and it's Toyota. There is no such commonality between the Coyote and the LS, so that's a stupid and irrelevant analogy.
Small detail: 12 minute mark is a masterclass in rtv beads. No tons of goop, no going round unneeded bolt holes, and no smearing flat before making unions. 👌
Brett loves making cakes on his off time, this has lead to excellent frosting and rtv application skills :)
Toyota/Subaru need to learn that from Brett.
I like mine to look like dimes on a weld 😂
Actually, he is using way too much sealing goop. At 12:20 you can see it popping out to every side even before tightening the bolts. The oil filter will be filled with sealing goop soon!
I remember watching Stephen Papadakis assemble this for a pro drift mk5. Pretty cool
M156’s were $38,000 fitted brand new in Australia. So around 25k USD. Definitely not even close to being $100,000USD, but cool story none the less.
The synthetic oil being used during break in was causing the rings to not bed apparently. What a drama that was.
B58’s are definitely a very cool platform, glad to see the straight 6 is alive and well!
I trust the dude who built them more than you sorry bud
You gotta understand that they were bramd new back in the day that he started working on it
He must be talking about a black series engine for that price.
The 100K is likely the straight list price from AMG. What was charged to warranty was probably a fraction of that.
Interesting talk about the oil consumption. Fun fact, for the honda J series, they tried the same thing. Honda j32 and j35 have iron cylinder liners. About 2-3mm thick. J37s they tried some silicon costing or something along those lines. All j37s burned oil in some degree. Some more than others. Then honda just got rid of the 3.7L V6 and just increased the compression of the 3.5L. Fix in the bulletin was to replace piston rings.
What made the Mk4 Supra legendary is that it was a damn good car; not that it named Supra. So regardless of the manufacturer, what makes it a good car is, A GOOD CAR….which the B58 platform and Mk5 Supra most definitely are.
One is a Supra, the other is a BMW with Toyota badging.
@@jzaeightywouldn’t you be better off enjoying driving around in your 2jz equipped car instead of watching videos of engines you don’t like and being a downer?
Do things that make you happy, not things that make you a miserable person.
@@pieflies Don't cry, it was just a simple statement. If simple factual statements get you down, then maybe you shouldn't be on the internet. If you believe in reincarnation maybe you can make up for your failure in this life with the next one.
@@jzaeightyhaha why would I be sad about something that doesn’t matter.
I just though maybe a bit of prompting might help you be less of a loser, but I guess I overestimated my words, or I overestimated you.
You’re witty, I’ll give you that, but seemingly not so smart if you think that an objectively incorrect statement is fact.
Have a nice day, it’s been a pleasure chatting with you.
@@pieflies If it doesn't matter to you then why the fuck reply bud? It clearly shatters your soul when you hear that the J29 is not a Toyota and therefore not a Supra. "wHy dON't yOu dRivE iNSteAD oF beINg mEaN?"😂 Imagine putting so much of yourself into a 3200 pound mode of conveyance. Get a grip and while you're at it get a fkn life. Doing your best impersonation of Carl Jung on the TH-cam comment section does not count as a life btw.
They call the B58 the German 2J for a reason. Fun fact, the B58 is used in multiple BMW platforms including the X5 that I daily. It would be fun to maybe build it out to see what kind of Grocery getting monster this could be.
pure800 upgraded turbo and a tune with some other bolt ons and I bet it is faster than the x5m.
it is the german 2jz back in the days the 2jz was slap on every toyota product that needed a bit more power and troque then there na toyota a series engine which is pretty much the same story for bmw the b58 is use in every bmw ice lineup that needed a bit more power then the b48
The J29 Supra has proven to be a overall performance powerhouse on any discipline of automotive Motorsports, road course, drag racing, half mile, roll racing, drifting, you name it
I was a little disappointed myself that Toyota didn't make a 2JZ like engine for the new Supra and after seeing what it can do with relatively little mods and how far the platform has come I decided to buy one and I'm glad I did.
It makes Toyota's case even worse when Chevy showed that a new engine they made for the C8 Corvette stingray could easily be made and keep the car at a decent cost.
They should have used the Lexus LC500 chassis, lightened it up, and made a new inline 6 engine. Made the car start in the mid $70k range to look more like the FT1 concept.
$$$$$
The secret of the industry is that the 2jz design wise, was not that great of an engine
@@l0s78 oh really ?? Why was it not so great of an engine ???
I will wait right here and see what you have to say because i know for a fact it will be bullshit.
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam in terms of design, you want every single cylinder to burn the same. So that when you tune it every cylinder can run the same fueling, same timing, and you won't blow anything because each cylinder is the same. Not one lean, one rich, one much more detonation sensitive.
Every single port on the 2jz is different. It's like 4 different engines in one cylinder head.
i mean to be honest the engine is crazy strong its bascialy stock bottom with bearing vavle springs piston rods and studs with a big turbo kit which is less core parts then what you need on a 1000hp 2jz.
I remember rebuilding my VQ35DE RevUp engine for my G35 coupe last year; there is a certain kind of peace you get with assembly a new engine. I wish I had the cash to rebuild one every year…
Great video as always. I thoroughly enjoy the tech videos and would think an update on the car would be popular as well!
Excited to see a German inline-6 on the channel; awesome as always @realstreetperformance!
For the guys who say this isnt a real supra, i say its still better then a boxer 86, a real sprinter motor was made of glass or head gasket problems, the bmw engine will become better in time like the 2jz has
This is awesome. I remember asking for you to build a B58 several month's ago on one of your videos.
Great "shop talk" Very informative!! 💪🏽
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE MADE A BUILD FOR THIS ENGINE!! love to see it keep up the good work!
You forgot to mention that the customer has a couple of loose screws!! Can’t wait to hear it on. Great video guys!
Interesting to watch this and hear you guys talk about the m156, I own a 2014 507 c63 for a daily and a built turbo coyote for a fun car, love them both for very different reasons
Great work guys.I work for a sister store Brett worked at looks like we lost quite the asset.These B58’s are impressive.
Love the videos fellas great teamwork and knowledge on everything you guys do. I learn something Everytime I watch your videos. Thank you guys 🙏🙏🙏
I luv the new BMW Supra & specially the new B58 engine tuning potential is great! Can't wait to own this car in the near future.
Sickkkkkk! I love b58s. Gonna put one in my Camry
AMG engine you were mentioning, it had a problem with oil piston rings. They used low friction piston rings. Later the put better piston rings but then you also need to replace the piston itself.
I was tripping out when I saw three cams 😂
Solid video, thanks gentleman
Nice build would love to see a dyno run and tune on this engine
Surprised no one has put an s58 in that platform
Not worth it.
They have
Came to watch the engine build. Stayed for the tech conversation. Question though. With the arp main studs, you don’t have to worry about the crank tunnel becoming oval?
I was not impressed initially, but after learning of the testing and durability requirements from Toyota on the B58, I gained an appreciation for it. I have always loved BMW's, but have been terrified of ownership due to reliability problems. With Toyota being involved in the development, I'm eager to see if the reliability issue is a thing of the past not only for the B58, but all succeeding engines from BMW.
Is there any prof that Toyota reliability requirements/ specs are more challenging than the ones from BMW ?
I don’t no any
Mines been reliable for the past 3 years toyota did good, pushing 800whp for the past 2 years as well
@@sikh7563 Great BMW Engine
I just got k20a2 and my engine had them heat tags on it! I have not seen to many people use them!
A fun question. Have honing parameters been measured after the "honing" work on plasma coating and what do they represent?
Hope you guys build a s58 or s63 very in depth
Been having problems with my Supras b58 and the dealership has been messing the rebuild job up and now not helping at all just waiting for a random tech for months on end but they’re the ones who took on the job and messed up the car even more. Wish I could have these dudes build it right
If your memory was erased from the past 15 years and somebody told you this was the new supra, you’d agree
did you have to align hone the main caps when using ARP main studs? thanks!
So the customer never has to worry about the timing since they’ll receive the engine with the head bolted on already? Will they need to re-torque the head studs for the first few heat cycles? If so can they do that without removing the camshafts?
The last motor i assembled was 23 yrs ago, my ka24de motor, 600 hp
The MKV and B58 are a "better" overall car and more capable platform than the MKIV could ever be. I have both and love both of them for different reasons.
😂 they're cars 30 years apart. Can we stop this
Zupra owners sound just like the V6 boys, "My 6 cylinder is better than a 1970s V8."
@@jzaeightyyou are so unbelievably mad. I've seen you try to justify your archaic motor under everyone's comment. 12 year old
@@gavinmersman4209 I don't have to justify shit, only people who seem to dislike the 2JZ are J29 owners. I wonder where their bias comes from? 🤔
@@jzaeighty You're the one trolling a B58 build talking shit. I own a 23MT and still love the Mk4.
I bought a 2024 m240i for the b58 engine looking forward to more hp
would be cool if there's a billet aluminium block for the b58 but with all the OEM coating
They should also review the b58tu2
Amazing video, master class. This looks like the “6 exhaust port” version of the B58. I’ve been searching for a video of this assembly. Are 6 exhaust ports on the head better than 2? Which design do you guys prefer?
Cool vid , thx for sharing guys !
How much can the stock mains handle? Looked like they were 2 bolt.
It would have been good to show how the valvetronic throttle system worked - or was it some sort of variable cam timing system?
valvetronic is like Toyota's VVL or Honda's VTEC but in the form of fully variable value. on the video, you see there is another shaft with gear in the opposite end and that is valvetronic adjustment shaft. it controls the position of intermediate rocker in order to adjust how much valve lift will occur. there is explaination on how it works on bimmerprof blog but it only contains 2nd generation of valvetronic diagram. B58/S58 uses the 3rd generation which is slightly different but all of them works in same principal. i do hope the newer B series (and S58) no longer have the same problem as the previous N series valvetronic that also uses 3rd gen valvetronic
So I’m 1:30 minutes in to this video and I wanna comment lol. Bmw is the ultimate driving machine and they mean that. They know what the heck they’re doing . The callab between these two major manufacturers was pure quality 👌🏿
If you had an IQ over 14 you would realize that when the customer had increased the boost or did some sort of aftermarket tuning it caused the head gasket failure as higher pressures in the block do this. This could happen with any engine, even your favorite tried and true engine. 😂
RTV for the oil pan I see, is there no gasket?
Hey guys. Since you guys were talking about oil consumption… I’ve got a 2018 Hyundai grand i10 1.25. Car has like 70000km on the clock. Uses 1 litre oil every 3500km. Any recommendations? Hyundai won’t do anything but car is still under warranty. They want to replace engine but blame it on the owner’s driving and not a manufacturing defect. Car gets serviced every year/15000km. Is that consumption normal in modern cars? Use 5w30 synthetic oil. Based in South Africa 🇿🇦
What main and rod bearings did you use in the build ?
how did the head-gasket failure occur? This is not common on BMWs
Was the friction hub on the crank updated to the pinned fix or was that friction washer crank timing hub bs only on early engines? Huge pain in car retrofit. Cheers,ed
The sprocket is a solid part of the crankshaft now
It was never an issue on B58. S55 was the last engine to use the 2 piece friction disc design.
Was the block they were using stock or upgraded? I imagine stock
Good night teacher Jay
Originally i was disappointed that Toyota didn't provide the engine. I Test drove a mkv and was very pleased with the performance.
Later, i bought a 23 mt and love it. It has a good bit of torque in the low end with little lag in the stock form. Also looking at the design and teardown of the engine was much closer to the design of the 2j than i originally thought. I've also heard Toyota had a good bit of input on the engine itself and it's refinement. Without being stuck in the past, i think it's a worthy successor for modern designs. The b58 will be a more true successor than a hybrid or EV Supra.
@7:08 , am i the only one whilst listening to the story saw the block go down and heart dropped? no, just me? okay.
I went the opposite way and put a Supra motor… in a BMW.
We like build vid.. Keep it up
This may sound ridiculous but I have a 2.4 Ecotec in my Solstice that needs to be rebuilt and would benefit from a build similar to this.
Didnt hone the main tunnel when installing the arp main stud kit?
Hi good morning! All the machine work including main stud fitting was done before video assembly in the machine shop. On videos where we follow a more detailed style of assembly this is something we mention. Good eye :)
@@realstreetperformance I figured you guys didn't skip that step but was just making sure. Wouldn't want to distort the main tunnel with the extra clamping force
What caused the Head Gasket failure?
It's a collab yes but Toyota was involved they would not accept anything less. This motor probably isn't 2jz but it's good I'm my opinion!
People love to claim this but B58 was actually designed before Toyota's involvement. Maybe they had minor input for revisions. Don't forget, Toyota approved the piece of crap FA20 and FA24 engines in the 86. People think Toyota is some kind of god but you can't make right turns in a GT86 without losing oil pressure.
it's a very fast fun bmw!
nothing wrong with that
i need step to step instructions and torque measurements in a booklet please
Just go with standardized torque, easy to find.
How much does a b58 long block cost new crate engine? 20k 30k?
10-15k from what ive heard. But from other places it could range between 5-9k depending on what cars u get them from(more or less cheaper from older model 40is in that case).
I’m hoping to put a b58 in my Evo x
We need you to show us how it’s done on an N54... please 🙏🏻
what u guys tq head down 105lb or more ?
Supra's always had the company's top tier engine, I wish they offered a version with the S58.
You know how crazy an S58 on a Supra would be? It would smoke the M2, M3 ans M4. No way would BMW ever give Toyota the S58. There are rumors that they will on the final model year but I highly doubt it
@@chrisginoc Ya it would be crazy but dont think it would step on the M4 Competition's performance figures if it was offered only in the 473hp manual version.
@@dieseldan420ca It would be close but yeah the M4 Comp and even M3 Comp are beasts
If s58 engine on the Supra same power as M4 com it going to be a big difference.
Will you guys rebuild s58?
Dope
Ok im stoopid. What is that third cam for?
Papadakis really set the trend
Speed academy used arp hardware and jist blew the engine on their most recent videos. People are saying the arp ovaled the rods too much clamping force .?.?.? Anybody wanna elaborate. Also acl bearings are softer as well ?? 13:44
Comparing the 2JZ and the B58TU in the new supra...wow. well, for starters, the 2JZ has over 20 years of development. The B58TU in the supra has 3 years, and many cars are in 7s 1,300hp with stock block or sleeves, and original transmission built in just less time. So, it is a lot easier to get parts to build a 2JZ than a B58TU. I say it will pass the 2JZ with time if engineers keep developing the B58TU in the supra. Many supra MK4 on the track have minimal interior compared to MK5 running high HP. I say if an engineer builds the B58TU with the recipe of a 2JZ, it will be a game changer. Billet block, billet heads, taking into account several areas of the heads that lift. Aluminum rods...etc full send 80psi...lol. The B58TU in the supra will become a legend as the 2JZ.
When you say stock block, what do you mean? People tend to abuse that word. Do you mean to tell me with stock rods and pistons etc?
@top-notch9761 stock block as in no modification to the block. Factory block, no boring, no sleeves. The factory motor, factory parts, tuners have said 800hp is the most you can push it and even that you are in borrowed time.
@@manny619ish Yeah I gotcha, I was just making sure that you weren't saying that the stock rods and pistons can take 1300hp without bending and splitting the block in half 😂. Cause it can't as far as I know the big boys that are pushing these incredible b58 engines are built.
@@top-notch9761 asking stock internals to withstand more than twice stock power sounds absurd to me. even the old 2J cant handle too much power on its stock internals. well, maybe those engine can withstand 1000HP on stock internals......... within a few seconds 😂
What torque tool are you using, would like to buy one
any digital torque wrench
how much do you guys charge for a B58 engine build?
Put it in my Tacoma manual 22. Unbelievable
LS 400 baby now thas a engine 🎉🎉🎉
Is the King coated bearing as good as the OEM bearing? The OE bearings are Glyco IROX and they seem to hold up extremely well. Older BMW engines show lots of rod bearing wear, but I've barely seen any wear on any BMW engine using the IROX bearings.
What's the best fuel brand in America?
Why retain coated bearings? Most owners are going to turn off the stop-start feature anyway, and the OEM coated bearings have already been a source of problems.
OEM ones might cause issues but coated bearings can have a few benefits
They aren't a source of problems... the BMW engines with IROX coated bearings have the lowest incidence of bearing issues that they have had in 30 years. Look at any teardown of an N55 compared to B58. The bearings on B58 are pristine in comparison.
@@chrisbradley3224 Papadakis Racing had problems with the coated OEM bearings in their B58.
@@justsomerandomguyman Do you have a link? They haven't been problems for anyone else that I've seen.
Papadakis mentions the issues he’s had with oem bmw bearing in a interview with hp academy. He also runs the variable oil pump at default 90psi now and swapped to king / acl coated bearings. But this guy is pushing the b58 over 1000hp with 3.2 stroker kit
Lol at circling the heat tab with a yellow marker which makes it extremely easy for the customer to replace if they overheat it
Interesting and informative 🇯🇲
When he did that first Mercedes V8 he got the full warranty time of 0.8 hrs
Cost $6,286.51 for parts, prob another 5k for labour, total $11.286.51 for 1000bhp build, which is not bad imo, then you have to consider building the transmission if it can handle that power.
To me it's not really supra. But the car itself is a pretty good car they go fast
Can I do the this with my x3 m40i?
Need to be sure the drivetrain can handle it but it should since the engines are practically identical.
Let’s test the warranty then lol it’s a 2022
Do a N54 pls!!!!
Why would BMW put the timing chain at the back of the motor near the firewall? Doesn't make sense
I believe it was to provide better balance on the crank shaft if I recall correctly. If it was a belt it would be dumb, but it being a timing chain you shouldn't need to adjust it unless something major anyway.
The dumbest thing with the engine is no dip stick. That's my single complaint about the b58
not a fan of having the exhaust manifold in the head and the timing chain in the back, but overall B58-B48 are good engine
Exhaust manifold isn’t in the head for the b58 aside from the first year of Supra production. 2021 and up does not have an integrated header and has a 6 port design.
@@zdoomcentral more than happy to hear that, i hate that solution
What's suprises me, it has the same piston diameter of a b18 honda engine
Why? Thats how engines work
Not sure if it's just me but damn the music cuts are super loud to where I heavily drop the volume and then bam can't hear jay talk at all etc
Would someone like to share the track from 14:24? Thank you!
Song is, New Fromtier by Ben Elson
9:40 If you use very poor fuel, then the engine can melt from the inside because the probability of LSPI is so high.
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15 yers??? When did you start at 12 yeats old??
6.3 litre m156?? and costing 100k? is he sure that he worked for AMG?
Hey man love the channel but could ease off on the TV style way of content creation, I think it would be a whole lot more nicer if you would do a narrative style as do while there is a voice over in the background, but I understand this is your channel and your business so regard me as just a review through opinion.