The whole concept of driving slow cars fast is amazing. I’ve owned some fast cars but these little cars have way more character. My current stable has a 1997 Miata 2017 GTI that is tuned The GTI would smoke the Miata in every aspect from acceleration, braking and handling and yet the Miata is more fun to drive.
I have a 97 NA as well. Just got back from a long drive with it. They are special cars, as I'm sure the 2 in this video are. And oh, QUITE a bit more affordable. I have a 91 also. The 97 is red and the 91 blue.
As a current owner of a 1985 Porsche 911 (my father bought it before the price boom) I can say that they are an absolute blast to drive, honestly if you can afford it, buy both. These two cars are unbelievable and come from a different more analog time that made driving fun.
I have a 1987 E30 316 carburator, it's only 90ch but it was my first car, I used it as a daily and each day was a pleasure to go to school ! You're right about spending money for the maintenance, I bought it only 1700€ (in France) but spent almost 3300€ fixing a lot of stuff... For a student it was hard but I would do it again if I had to ;) I drove it 2 years before switching it for a brand new mx-5 1.5L ND because of gasoline consumption with 100km/day i have for my first job (switched from 10L/100km to 6L/100km while keep driving with fun the foot to the floor) I'm happy with the miata, but i kept the E30 for week-end because it's so much fun to drive, in a different way ! Whenever I thought of selling the E30, I took it for a drive and after less than 10mn, i was like "Hell no, no way to sell it..." hahaha E30 forever ;)
I owned and daily drove an E30 M3 for nearly 20 years. For some of that same time I ran a Porsche race shop. The way I always described driving the E30 M3 was that it danced, so it was cool to hear you describe the handling similarly. You can rotate it on demand with use of the pedals and steering. I used to occasionally bring it out to a PCA autocross and it would absolutely dominate the Porsches in that setting. I even beat an imported (not legal in the USA) 996 GT3 more than once. I’ve owned a lot of legendary cars in my life, and the E30 M3 is one of the few that lives up to the hype. It just sucks I sold my E30 M3 for $7K and will likely never own another. At least I have the memories.
Bang for your buck..get an e46 m3 and Honda s2k. I did and will never look back. Both still parked in my garage and driven weekly. Easy to maintain, enough power for the streets, and styling to stay classic forever
22 min video with two of my favorite cars ever from one of my favorite channels? Don't mind if I do. It sucks that both of these cars were once affordable and now are pretty much becoming unattainable for the average person. Especially if you actually want one in nice condition.
Fantastic video. The scenery, the roads, the cinematography. For old car guys, this is surely one of the all time great car videos of these 2 iconic cars.
I bought an E30 M3 back in 2004 at 21 years old at arguably it's lowest valuation. Very glad I did! Still my favorite car in the whole world! And I can put my kids in the back.
This video is amazing! Can you add clips of the gauges while driving next time? Watching the needles move around on older cars is awesome. Keep up the excellent work!
This is such an engaging Video...well done guys ! I have an E30 M3 and was about to sell it....watching this video helped me arrive at a final decision not to sell. I look at these videos and marvel at the fact that...Wow!!! I actually own an E30 M3. Great stuff ! The car may not be as fast as current cars but the character and feedback from this little angel is phenomenal and cannot be matched by anything on the market today.
Two of my favorite cars from most likely my favorite period, from a driver's car standpoint. Seeing this video makes me want to get something smaller than my BMW E60 M5 sitting in my garage.
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I love your honesty!!! your bravery is admired. I agree with you a 100%! well done.
I would love to see you do a comparison video with this same E30 M3 and with a 1987-88 Porsche 944S (not the base, and not the turbo.) Those two cars are almost identical spec-wise, and were what people cross-shopped back in the late 80s.
I owned an 1989 E30 M3, 1986 944 Turbo, and a 944 Turbo Cup car. While the 944 Turbo was cool, and definitely faster, the E30 M3 is just magic. The E30 M3 is the better/more fun car to drive by a pretty large margin to me. For a while the 951 was a pretty good used car bargain, but unfortunately not any more.
I own quite similar cars for years: a 3.2 with a 915 gearbox and a 325 I e30 convertible. Both wonderful cars I would not sell. I hope I can add a nice Audi Quattro Coupe to the collection soon.
I had 3x g50s and a 915 - preferred that box for driving pleasure - g50 good for everyday use tho'. The aural pleasure of the 3.2 is totally unique and perhaps the best bit of the experience. Great motorway car - perfection at a steady 100-110 mph.
Both epic! I owned an 87 Carrera and it was an event. Ha ha. Loved that friggin car. But these guys are on point. I have driven several of the gen 1 M3s and they are so awesome.
Having to work around the M3's lesser power makes the car more engaging which adds to the fun factor. One simply can't power through a 30 mph up hill corner but must shift down probably two gears and get the rev's up to maintain one's pace. And that is fun. Also, if you're driving public 2-lane roads out in the country side, well you'll still be going exceedingly fast if you're pushing it. So the E30M3 has it. And the old 911SC? Nothing to complain about. Nothing at all.
@7:37 with a lighter weight vehicle, 192hp can be extraordinarily playful, especially with a high revving four banger. There's so much talk about 0 - 60mph numbers in automotive journalism, I believe that the ~40 - 80mph range gets forgotten.
YasumotoUS especially when its a motor sport engine downgraded for the homologation car.. also in dtm, where it was designed for, rolling starts were used ✌🏻
to be honest, the M3 is not worth it... not even by a longshot... yes, it looks good and it is rare, but if you want good fun. E30 with a upgraded engine and suspension all day long... I have a E30 touring with a M30B35 in, fast and fun!
I love driving my older cars but man it’s hard on my wallet sometimes since I’m a working student. I will not let go of them though anytime soon it’s a whole different driving experience
I suspected that it was. Utah, is amazing. I’ve only driven the southern half of it and it’s very different to the north. I am from the UK and did Utah, Colorado and Nevada as a trip, brilliant. Even the interstate in Utah is breathtaking.
Great video guys! My practical side prevents me from owning either of these but I am making due with the grandchildren, 997.2 and E82. Looking forward to more excellent matchups!
These are out of reach for many of us every day drivers. What more affordable, modern (safer) cars are comparable? MX-5, S2000, GT86, first gen Boxster? Great video as always. I’d love to you throw in a modern car against an older car though you’d get hate for it.
Great revisiting this one again after watching it on TV. Excellent video with great production values. On that note, I was wondering if you've ever considered moving to 4k HDR filming? With the great cinematography you guys have, it would be awesome to see it in even higher resolution (and more especially with the greater color depth of HDR). Just something to think about if you haven't already! ;)
Paul, you picked what....I'm shocked. I'm so surprised Todd didn't fall over. If I wasn't sitting down, I would have fallen over. It's cool, I'll pick the Porsche. Todd, bring Paul to the hospital ER for an MRI on his head. Obviously, he must have some kind of head trauma, lol. I hope you're both having a good day, take care.
The E30 M3 could be a 318i below 4000rpm for someone who has no clue how to drive it. But IF you know how to drive it in its powerband, it goes like a bat from hell. Goldielockzone: 4500-7500rpm. Remove the limiter and it will keep putting out power well over 8000rpm until it destroys itself. You have to work hard with an S14. No lazy, low rpm torque but screeching high rpms is the way to go. Trust me. I know.
The mid and late 60s Porsches and the BMW 2002 tii and CS 3500 were the first German cars that caught my eye in the old Autoweek/Competition Press and Sports Car Graphic. Do you boys know about those rags?
A little quote:"... 5:34 So it's not the fastest car on the planet and nobody cares. Smiles get bigger the faster we go..." Let's call this a blatant contradiction.
One is a SPORTS CAR, the other a Sports Sedan. It's like comparing peanut butter, and crunchy peanut butter. The Porsche is more real . Great video ,I thoroughly enjoyed it. I just watched a current Vintage Daytona race and amongst the exotic fair , the stand outs to me was a BRE replica Datsun Z driven by John Morton. And an old school racing 1st Gen RX7. In the field to me they stood out as..." What is that " Time has made them look more Exotic over time ...very interesting !
While the 911 has the promenance to be a competitor to this E30, I feel like a 944 is closer to an actual competitor to the BMW, especially the NA. Neutral balance, coupe, front engine, water cooled, similar power, handling, and 4 cylinder. I guess the 911 survived like the M3, but that's it really. Especially when price is factored in, get that feel and fun for a fraction.
I would agree, but I would say the '87-'88 944S would be the better competitor. The higher-revving 16-valve 2.5L four cylinder with 188hp is directly on par with the E30 M3.
Both of them great cars...personally, I'd take the 911...and probably the 911SC, which harkens back more to the earlier feel of what made Porsche special. Down a bit more HP, and uses the 915 over the G50, but that requires even more engagement, and I think better. But all of them great. I've owned BMW and Porsche, and it's the Porsche for me. Overall, love them both
I'd trade three 911s for a classic M3 E30 in white like this one. That's why they're like 50-60 grand to get one now. Ultimate driver's car that dominated DTM and Touring car racing in the 1980s. I own a white 2020 Subaru BRZ (w/ performance package) that's like a modern throwback to the E30. 200 HP, perfect front/rear balance. manual, tight steering, lightweight, toss-able, rear wheel drive, OMG.
These cars are an ode to a specific time period of mechanical achievement where the suspension, steering racks, and engines all provided a well balanced, but not perfect car that gave such a unique experience. Whereas today's cars cost cutting measures and "safety protocol" excuses multiplied by over engineering equal a ubiquitous -numbing experience.
I don’t know if you got a chance to drive those again. Watched the show a long time, but for some reason I missed this episode. The e30 looks modded, and that G50 looks extremely stock. Two things is - make sure the suspension is sorted on the 911, the E30 looked much more sorted, suspension-wise - and then make sure you’re between 4k - 6k on that 3.2 pretty much all the time, totally changes the driving experience. You’re right that the M3 is fun and peppy, but just based on engine sounds, if you were driving the 911 as hard as you all were pushing that M3, you might have felt different. Maybe not though, who knows?
"Porsche 911 vs BMW M3, E30 vs G50 Carrera 3.2" - It is plain silly you do not give the YEAR of the cars you talk about in the TITLE of your video... You should give this information at least in the DESCRIPTION, but you don't! - You have to go to the 17.20 minute mark to realize you are talking about a 1987 Porche 911! And "This 1st Generation M3"? -- After watching the ENTIRE Video, still don't know the years it was made. I know it was in the 1980's, but don't know which specific car you drove in this long video! Another example is your MIATA video talking about 'various generations'... When you say "This generation" of car, it would be nice to know the years it was manufactured by the company and it would have been helpful if you listed this information!... This would make it so much more informative. - Don't mean to nit-pick or be overly critical and I do enjoy watching the videos you make... They are very well made.... Just some 'constructive criticism (provide a bullet point summary of the cars you are demonstrating, with model years etc.)... This will improve each page. Thanks so much for your efforts!
If only modern car companies put some thought and effort into driver experience relative to steering input, driver to road connectivity, and feelings of raw emotion triggered by the driving experience as they once did.... Now all the "driver connectivity" is placed in steering wheel buttons and superfluous infotainment screens. The only "connectivity" modern cars have are there wi-fi services....
So true. I remember hiring my first modern BMW and was so excited because they upgraded me to a 3 litre with all the toys. What a disappointment that was, like driving a sofa.
Both fantastic driver's cars, but neither of them is what I consider attractive. Iconic? Unique? Sure. Attractive? Not even close. Great episode. I drove an ND MX-5 which is supposed to be "back to basics" and while it is a great car, it doesn't come close to feeling as mechanical as cars like these. Even my '01 Z3 3.0 feels like a different experience than anything modern. We don't need faster cars. We need cars that are more engaging to drive. I don't know if any new car will ever offer that again.
The modern day Subaru BRZ seems to be similar in ethos and specs to the E30 M3. How does it compare in dynamics, control weights and performance? Is it as much fun??
I 100% agree with this actually. I love the E30 M3 but I love my BRZ. I think they are similar in a lot of ways. The BRZ feels way more modern but beyond that, they are fairly similar in terms of performance and dynamics. The other difference is the BRZ was designed as a sports car from inception whereas the E30 was turned into one.
I think I would like my 86 more because of it being an actual sports car design vs a 2 door sedan design of the M3. My 86 now has the power of a e46 M3 but with e30 M3 weight and simplicity!
I think the inline 4 twin cam 16v ae86 is more similar to the e30m3 than the BRZ/FRS/gt86. They, the ae86 and e30m3, are what BMW and Toyota based on in their modern cars and enthiasts have been urging. The ae86 and e30m3 prices have been rising year after year.
Chance Hales technically, the M3 is a whole reinvention, the chassis is alot different, flared quarters different suspension setup.. prett much a whole different car under the same body ✌🏻
Chance Hales you are wrong mate, the E30 M3 was designed as a sport car from the beggining, like the escort cosworth, it looks like a tuned regular E30, but, the dimensions are different, the suspension is different, the rear axl is different... everything in this car was designed to be a sport car, its a completly different car except from the look to a regular E30.
*holy shit, this episode is going to be epic, I haven't even watched it yet* I want that G series bad. Friend had a E30, so that's off the bucket list now
I like the E30 M3, and I drive an '87 Porsche 944S. For two years Porsche made a 944 with a 2.5L 16-valve four, and the spec sheet reads VERY similarly to the E30 M3, especially the '88 cars(this engine would live on in 3.0L form in the S2 and 968). Power is within four horsepower, both have big, boxed arches, both have similarly slow steering, both have trailing arms at the rear, both have great brakes, and very docile, chuckable handling. Unlike EVERY other 944, the S has a 7k redline. The 944S doesn't have much motorsport tradition to lean on, unless we want to count the 924 GTP that ran at Le Mans and won its class. In true Porsche form it really feels like a dedicated sports car, even if its something of a bitsa.
The '87-'88 944S is the exact right comparison for the E30 M3. I drove my '87 944S as a daily driver for 23 years, put over 200,000 miles on it. Loved that car.
As I said elsewhere in the comments, I owned an E30 M3, 944 Turbo, and a 944 Turbo Cup at the same time. The E30 M3 was the most special of the three to drive. The 944 S wasn’t nearly as exciting to drive as the E30 M3. The 944 really needs the Turbo power to be exciting to drive (to me). I don’t have enough seat time in the 968, but that might have been a decent choice if you want to avoid turbos and you can find one with a manual.
Covercraft giving free shipping is like a slap in the face...I hope they treated you better. If rather not have a code than feel like I'm having my shopping savvy challenged
I'm not a rich guy either, I traded the 06 Cayman in on a 19 Elantra....boo to me. I'm a trucker who loves driving, and I'm currently saving for a 718 any form, Cayman or Boxster. I've rented it twice and don't care if it's a 4 banger,. it's an awesome engine, and it's a tremendous Porsche, even better than my 06 Cayman, but not as charming as my 85 911 was.
Iknow a guy that bought a 87 911 with 132K miles for 14K in 2005. He sold it a few years later for about the same. That same car now in days is almost twice that cost.
The whole concept of driving slow cars fast is amazing. I’ve owned some fast cars but these little cars have way more character.
My current stable has a
1997 Miata
2017 GTI that is tuned
The GTI would smoke the Miata in every aspect from acceleration, braking and handling and yet the Miata is more fun to drive.
I have a 97 NA as well. Just got back from a long drive with it. They are special cars, as I'm sure the 2 in this video are. And oh, QUITE a bit more affordable. I have a 91 also. The 97 is red and the 91 blue.
i agree, there is no comparison.
I miss the days when I used to run my Datsun 280z with my friend Cams e30. That was a special time.
Went from a Porsche 981 GT4 to a '84 Carrera. The '84 is just magic. Better than a modern GT4 IMHO. It's tough to drive but really fantastic.
As a current owner of a 1985 Porsche 911 (my father bought it before the price boom) I can say that they are an absolute blast to drive, honestly if you can afford it, buy both. These two cars are unbelievable and come from a different more analog time that made driving fun.
I have a 1987 E30 316 carburator, it's only 90ch but it was my first car, I used it as a daily and each day was a pleasure to go to school !
You're right about spending money for the maintenance, I bought it only 1700€ (in France) but spent almost 3300€ fixing a lot of stuff... For a student it was hard but I would do it again if I had to ;)
I drove it 2 years before switching it for a brand new mx-5 1.5L ND because of gasoline consumption with 100km/day i have for my first job (switched from 10L/100km to 6L/100km while keep driving with fun the foot to the floor)
I'm happy with the miata, but i kept the E30 for week-end because it's so much fun to drive, in a different way !
Whenever I thought of selling the E30, I took it for a drive and after less than 10mn, i was like "Hell no, no way to sell it..." hahaha
E30 forever ;)
I know what you mean man, i'll never sell my beloved e30.
I had an E30 316i . Good times.
If you think the M3 is boring, put an Alpha N airbox + tune on it and you‘ll get the sickest induction noise from any car ever
I owned and daily drove an E30 M3 for nearly 20 years. For some of that same time I ran a Porsche race shop. The way I always described driving the E30 M3 was that it danced, so it was cool to hear you describe the handling similarly. You can rotate it on demand with use of the pedals and steering. I used to occasionally bring it out to a PCA autocross and it would absolutely dominate the Porsches in that setting. I even beat an imported (not legal in the USA) 996 GT3 more than once. I’ve owned a lot of legendary cars in my life, and the E30 M3 is one of the few that lives up to the hype. It just sucks I sold my E30 M3 for $7K and will likely never own another. At least I have the memories.
Bang for your buck..get an e46 m3 and Honda s2k. I did and will never look back. Both still parked in my garage and driven weekly. Easy to maintain, enough power for the streets, and styling to stay classic forever
22 min video with two of my favorite cars ever from one of my favorite channels? Don't mind if I do. It sucks that both of these cars were once affordable and now are pretty much becoming unattainable for the average person. Especially if you actually want one in nice condition.
Fantastic video. The scenery, the roads, the cinematography. For old car guys, this is surely one of the all time great car videos of these 2 iconic cars.
I bought an E30 M3 back in 2004 at 21 years old at arguably it's lowest valuation. Very glad I did! Still my favorite car in the whole world! And I can put my kids in the back.
Maybe you were the guy who bought my M3 when I sold it for $7K. 🤦♂️
Such a great episode gentlemen, keep up the great work can't wait for season 3!
Seeing that cardinal red leather interior in that M3 makes me really miss mine, and regret beyond belief selling it! 😭
If you look like Nicholas Cage in real life, then I don't feel that bad you sold the M.
I had a 1991 M5 E34 I regret selling it every single day 💸
Yeah I sold my E30 M3 for around $7K. 😢
This is the Porsche and BMW that made me fall in love with these two car company's
This video is amazing! Can you add clips of the gauges while driving next time? Watching the needles move around on older cars is awesome. Keep up the excellent work!
They're both so gorgeous but the M3 has a special place in my heart
Red and black trim, im done
@@4777hamza mine was red with the grey interior. That said,I think white shows the lines a bit better. Silver is definitely the most rare though.
You guys do such a good job. Everyday Driver has a great story!
This is such an engaging Video...well done guys ! I have an E30 M3 and was about to sell it....watching this video helped me arrive at a final decision not to sell. I look at these videos and marvel at the fact that...Wow!!! I actually own an E30 M3. Great stuff ! The car may not be as fast as current cars but the character and feedback from this little angel is phenomenal and cannot be matched by anything on the market today.
Wow... just wow! That was beautifully done. Well played fellas, well played.
Two of my favorite cars from most likely my favorite period, from a driver's car standpoint. Seeing this video makes me want to get something smaller than my BMW E60 M5 sitting in my garage.
I love your honesty!!! your bravery is admired. I agree with you a 100%! well done.
I would love to see you do a comparison video with this same E30 M3 and with a 1987-88 Porsche 944S (not the base, and not the turbo.) Those two cars are almost identical spec-wise, and were what people cross-shopped back in the late 80s.
I owned an 1989 E30 M3, 1986 944 Turbo, and a 944 Turbo Cup car. While the 944 Turbo was cool, and definitely faster, the E30 M3 is just magic. The E30 M3 is the better/more fun car to drive by a pretty large margin to me. For a while the 951 was a pretty good used car bargain, but unfortunately not any more.
And if you want a 944 S, the hot one is with the M030 suspension option with the Konis. It was a hot setup if you were racing SCCA back in the day.
@@GrimSRT8 I owned a 944S with the M474 suspension for about 25 years and loved it, can only imagine how good the M030 is.
@@corsa180 right on. 🤘
Utah makes your reviews so much better.
Gave this a thumbs up before it even started.
I own quite similar cars for years: a 3.2 with a 915 gearbox and a 325 I e30 convertible. Both wonderful cars I would not sell. I hope I can add a nice Audi Quattro Coupe to the collection soon.
you guys give a great idea of what is actually driving those cars, love your inputs. LOVE your Channel
I went from modern Porsche's (including a 981 GT4) to an '84 911 3.2 Targa...and it's my favorite thing ever.
Great video !! Where was it filmed ?? Would love to drive it !!
I had 3x g50s and a 915 - preferred that box for driving pleasure - g50 good for everyday use tho'. The aural pleasure of the 3.2 is totally unique and perhaps the best bit of the experience. Great motorway car - perfection at a steady 100-110 mph.
Both epic! I owned an 87 Carrera and it was an event. Ha ha. Loved that friggin car. But these guys are on point. I have driven several of the gen 1 M3s and they are so awesome.
Having to work around the M3's lesser power makes the car more engaging which adds to the fun factor. One simply can't power through a 30 mph up hill corner but must shift down probably two gears and get the rev's up to maintain one's pace. And that is fun. Also, if you're driving public 2-lane roads out in the country side, well you'll still be going exceedingly fast if you're pushing it. So the E30M3 has it. And the old 911SC? Nothing to complain about. Nothing at all.
Awesome film and amazing cars.
Great job guys. 👍🏼
Great review 😊 best way to start my day.. thank you 😎
Both great classics I can’t through salt on either one 👍🏽 beautiful
@7:37 with a lighter weight vehicle, 192hp can be extraordinarily playful, especially with a high revving four banger. There's so much talk about 0 - 60mph numbers in automotive journalism, I believe that the ~40 - 80mph range gets forgotten.
YasumotoUS especially when its a motor sport engine downgraded for the homologation car.. also in dtm, where it was designed for, rolling starts were used ✌🏻
Bear in mind that the rest of the world got better specced engines in their M cars...
Also, these drivers seem to be used to torquier cars, nerd the keep that 4 banger on the bubble, well over 3,500RPM before it comes alive
Merling Stoss true, but all base model E30 M3‘s had the same spec engines .. not sure if y’all got the evo II, sport evos and cecotto‘s , though
Sven 1216 or the Roberto bagtagliCantBelieveitsNotbuttera edition of any of the other 500 E30 special editions
Absolutely brilliant
Can't afford an e30 m3...so I bought an e30 325iS
TexasRedneck The iS can be just as good as the m3 if you tune the suspension accordingly.
Right now it has the e30 m3 springs and an m52b28. I love this car and the smile it puts on my face coming home from a hard day at work.
TexasRedneck That’s awesome! I have been looking for a late model stock 325is as a daily and use my m3 as a weekend warrior.
to be honest, the M3 is not worth it... not even by a longshot... yes, it looks good and it is rare, but if you want good fun. E30 with a upgraded engine and suspension all day long... I have a E30 touring with a M30B35 in, fast and fun!
Max Goldberg, BSME e36s make good parts donors for E30s, I wanted to like e36s but they are so ugly.
I love driving my older cars but man it’s hard on my wallet sometimes since I’m a working student. I will not let go of them though anytime soon it’s a whole different driving experience
Great videos as always 👏🏾
Nice video as always.....but give us an idea of the filming location. You do film your stuff in some amazing locations.
Salt Lake City/Park City/Provo, Utah areas mainly.
I suspected that it was. Utah, is amazing. I’ve only driven the southern half of it and it’s very different to the north. I am from the UK and did Utah, Colorado and Nevada as a trip, brilliant. Even the interstate in Utah is breathtaking.
Great video guys! My practical side prevents me from owning either of these but I am making due with the grandchildren, 997.2 and E82. Looking forward to more excellent matchups!
Great video guys.
These are out of reach for many of us every day drivers. What more affordable, modern (safer) cars are comparable? MX-5, S2000, GT86, first gen Boxster?
Great video as always. I’d love to you throw in a modern car against an older car though you’d get hate for it.
Both cars are now Bangers in the modern era
Epic cars of the 80's.. both with their own personality! The Honda S2000 is the most similar car of the "modern era" to this Icons
Wonderful. Thanks guys.
Great revisiting this one again after watching it on TV. Excellent video with great production values.
On that note, I was wondering if you've ever considered moving to 4k HDR filming? With the great cinematography you guys have, it would be awesome to see it in even higher resolution (and more especially with the greater color depth of HDR). Just something to think about if you haven't already! ;)
Paul, you picked what....I'm shocked. I'm so surprised Todd didn't fall over. If I wasn't sitting down, I would have fallen over. It's cool, I'll pick the Porsche. Todd, bring Paul to the hospital ER for an MRI on his head. Obviously, he must have some kind of head trauma, lol. I hope you're both having a good day, take care.
BMW E30 M3 4ever!! I will never sell mine, and will probably be buried in it!
The E30 M3 could be a 318i below 4000rpm for someone who has no clue how to drive it. But IF you know how to drive it in its powerband, it goes like a bat from hell.
Goldielockzone: 4500-7500rpm. Remove the limiter and it will keep putting out power well over 8000rpm until it destroys itself.
You have to work hard with an S14. No lazy, low rpm torque but screeching high rpms is the way to go. Trust me. I know.
Great cars and beautiful road scene.
You know what makes the cars, the video and the driving *extra* special? THE ROADS! Where in Utah is this? Anybody know the Hwy #'s?
I like the intro music and the music at 2:00!!! What is it?
The mid and late 60s Porsches and the BMW 2002 tii and CS 3500 were the first German cars that caught my eye in the old Autoweek/Competition Press and Sports Car Graphic. Do you boys know about those rags?
A little quote:"... 5:34 So it's not the fastest car on the planet and nobody cares. Smiles get bigger the faster we go..." Let's call this a blatant contradiction.
What does chuckable mean? Send it?
M3 E30 captures the heart of every real petrolhead
I also would trust the M3 not to kill me a lot more than the porsche. That generation porsche seems a bit like a death chariot
Iceman7 nah , the e36 3.2 euro spec does.
The best m car ever made.
E30. The Best ever!
Great job guys.
That 911 does not have a whale tale. It has the Carrera tail. The whale tale is the larger / deeper tale used on the turbo.
Having had both these in the same years and models I can say that BMW was more fun to drive but the Porsche is what you wanted to be seen in.
One is a SPORTS CAR, the other a Sports Sedan.
It's like comparing peanut butter, and crunchy peanut butter. The Porsche is more real .
Great video ,I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I just watched a current Vintage Daytona race and amongst the exotic fair , the stand outs to me was a BRE replica Datsun Z driven by John Morton.
And an old school racing 1st Gen RX7.
In the field to me they stood out as..." What is that "
Time has made them look more Exotic over time ...very interesting !
Makes me wish I was born 20 years earlier so I could have actually experienced more 80s cars
I've always wanted an E30 M3 until I got my Porsche 968. It's everything I wanted out of the BMW M3 and yet the M3 will always be special.
3.2L 911 FTW!!!
This video deserves more views...
My dream cars.
epic...
While the 911 has the promenance to be a competitor to this E30, I feel like a 944 is closer to an actual competitor to the BMW, especially the NA. Neutral balance, coupe, front engine, water cooled, similar power, handling, and 4 cylinder. I guess the 911 survived like the M3, but that's it really.
Especially when price is factored in, get that feel and fun for a fraction.
I would agree, but I would say the '87-'88 944S would be the better competitor. The higher-revving 16-valve 2.5L four cylinder with 188hp is directly on par with the E30 M3.
Both of them great cars...personally, I'd take the 911...and probably the 911SC, which harkens back more to the earlier feel of what made Porsche special. Down a bit more HP, and uses the 915 over the G50, but that requires even more engagement, and I think better. But all of them great. I've owned BMW and Porsche, and it's the Porsche for me. Overall, love them both
I can't afford any of these cars, but If I had the money, I would take the 911 because I always liked 911 as far as I can remember
I'd trade three 911s for a classic M3 E30 in white like this one. That's why they're like 50-60 grand to get one now. Ultimate driver's car that dominated DTM and Touring car racing in the 1980s. I own a white 2020 Subaru BRZ (w/ performance package) that's like a modern throwback to the E30. 200 HP, perfect front/rear balance. manual, tight steering, lightweight, toss-able, rear wheel drive, OMG.
do you have a column where I can read more?
That's why I'm an M car guy. Even though I don't quite own one yet 🤔
Porsche all the way
When are you guys going to put that Icon episode up on your TH-cam page ?
Icon is one of our feature films. It is available only on Bluray or streaming on Vimeo.
I would probably call it a tie, but drive the M3 4 days a week and the Carrera: 3!
Nice video guys 🦁👍
These cars are an ode to a specific time period of mechanical achievement where the suspension, steering racks, and engines all provided a well balanced, but not perfect car that gave such a unique experience.
Whereas today's cars cost cutting measures and "safety protocol" excuses multiplied by over engineering equal a ubiquitous -numbing experience.
'80s cars are the best cars ever made. But hey, everything was better in the '80s!
Used Low: meaning like completely wrecked?
I don’t know if you got a chance to drive those again. Watched the show a long time, but for some reason I missed this episode. The e30 looks modded, and that G50 looks extremely stock. Two things is - make sure the suspension is sorted on the 911, the E30 looked much more sorted, suspension-wise - and then make sure you’re between 4k - 6k on that 3.2 pretty much all the time, totally changes the driving experience. You’re right that the M3 is fun and peppy, but just based on engine sounds, if you were driving the 911 as hard as you all were pushing that M3, you might have felt different. Maybe not though, who knows?
The GOAT E30 M3
"Porsche 911 vs BMW M3, E30 vs G50 Carrera 3.2" - It is plain silly you do not give the YEAR of the cars you talk about in the TITLE of your video... You should give this information at least in the DESCRIPTION, but you don't! - You have to go to the 17.20 minute mark to realize you are talking about a 1987 Porche 911! And "This 1st Generation M3"? -- After watching the ENTIRE Video, still don't know the years it was made. I know it was in the 1980's, but don't know which specific car you drove in this long video!
Another example is your MIATA video talking about 'various generations'... When you say "This generation" of car, it would be nice to know the years it was manufactured by the company and it would have been helpful if you listed this information!... This would make it so much more informative.
- Don't mean to nit-pick or be overly critical and I do enjoy watching the videos you make... They are very well made.... Just some 'constructive criticism (provide a bullet point summary of the cars you are demonstrating, with model years etc.)... This will improve each page.
Thanks so much for your efforts!
it says it 22 seconds in.....
Funny, you didnt mention why the e30m3 was made? And what they accomplished racing. Zip....
If only modern car companies put some thought and effort into driver experience relative to steering input, driver to road connectivity, and feelings of raw emotion triggered by the driving experience as they once did....
Now all the "driver connectivity" is placed in steering wheel buttons and superfluous infotainment screens.
The only "connectivity" modern cars have are there wi-fi services....
So true. I remember hiring my first modern BMW and was so excited because they upgraded me to a 3 litre with all the toys. What a disappointment that was, like driving a sofa.
Owned an 87 3.2 Carrera. Neither this BMW, nor anything else, comes remotely close. No Chance.
Jason Schauer Easy kiddo. We get it you are a narrow body P fan :/
What state are they in?
Pretty sure they film in Utah.
Yes, Utah.
got the e30 looks so good. In any variant. Probs would pick the porsche tho idk
Good choice :)
guys, the lead in music doesn't work. it's just not everyday driver.
Both fantastic driver's cars, but neither of them is what I consider attractive. Iconic? Unique? Sure. Attractive? Not even close. Great episode. I drove an ND MX-5 which is supposed to be "back to basics" and while it is a great car, it doesn't come close to feeling as mechanical as cars like these. Even my '01 Z3 3.0 feels like a different experience than anything modern. We don't need faster cars. We need cars that are more engaging to drive. I don't know if any new car will ever offer that again.
The modern day Subaru BRZ seems to be similar in ethos and specs to the E30 M3. How does it compare in dynamics, control weights and performance? Is it as much fun??
I 100% agree with this actually. I love the E30 M3 but I love my BRZ. I think they are similar in a lot of ways. The BRZ feels way more modern but beyond that, they are fairly similar in terms of performance and dynamics. The other difference is the BRZ was designed as a sports car from inception whereas the E30 was turned into one.
I think I would like my 86 more because of it being an actual sports car design vs a 2 door sedan design of the M3. My 86 now has the power of a e46 M3 but with e30 M3 weight and simplicity!
I think the inline 4 twin cam 16v ae86 is more similar to the e30m3 than the BRZ/FRS/gt86. They, the ae86 and e30m3, are what BMW and Toyota based on in their modern cars and enthiasts have been urging. The ae86 and e30m3 prices have been rising year after year.
Chance Hales technically, the M3 is a whole reinvention, the chassis is alot different, flared quarters different suspension setup.. prett much a whole different car under the same body ✌🏻
Chance Hales you are wrong mate, the E30 M3 was designed as a sport car from the beggining, like the escort cosworth, it looks like a tuned regular E30, but, the dimensions are different, the suspension is different, the rear axl is different... everything in this car was designed to be a sport car, its a completly different car except from the look to a regular E30.
*holy shit, this episode is going to be epic, I haven't even watched it yet*
I want that G series bad. Friend had a E30, so that's off the bucket list now
7:37 this is how i feel abt the stock mk1 86
I like the E30 M3, and I drive an '87 Porsche 944S. For two years Porsche made a 944 with a 2.5L 16-valve four, and the spec sheet reads VERY similarly to the E30 M3, especially the '88 cars(this engine would live on in 3.0L form in the S2 and 968).
Power is within four horsepower, both have big, boxed arches, both have similarly slow steering, both have trailing arms at the rear, both have great brakes, and very docile, chuckable handling. Unlike EVERY other 944, the S has a 7k redline.
The 944S doesn't have much motorsport tradition to lean on, unless we want to count the 924 GTP that ran at Le Mans and won its class. In true Porsche form it really feels like a dedicated sports car, even if its something of a bitsa.
The '87-'88 944S is the exact right comparison for the E30 M3. I drove my '87 944S as a daily driver for 23 years, put over 200,000 miles on it. Loved that car.
As I said elsewhere in the comments, I owned an E30 M3, 944 Turbo, and a 944 Turbo Cup at the same time. The E30 M3 was the most special of the three to drive. The 944 S wasn’t nearly as exciting to drive as the E30 M3. The 944 really needs the Turbo power to be exciting to drive (to me). I don’t have enough seat time in the 968, but that might have been a decent choice if you want to avoid turbos and you can find one with a manual.
Problems with sound editing.
Robert Kilar what problems are you experiencing?
My video keeps skipping
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I'm not a rich guy either, I traded the 06 Cayman in on a 19 Elantra....boo to me. I'm a trucker who loves driving, and I'm currently saving for a 718 any form, Cayman or Boxster. I've rented it twice and don't care if it's a 4 banger,. it's an awesome engine, and it's a tremendous Porsche, even better than my 06 Cayman, but not as charming as my 85 911 was.
Iknow a guy that bought a 87 911 with 132K miles for 14K in 2005. He sold it a few years later for about the same. That same car now in days is almost twice that cost.
Reading your comment two years later. Now 4 times the price. Or more....
that´s right