The guy at the end of the trailer is Gerald Robotnik, Eggman’s grandfather. In the games he was executed via firing squad so they changed it here to keep him alive
I'm not privy to alot of sonic lore but he was EXECUTED BY WHAT. And just referring to the word "executed" when talking about a Sonic game is WILD to me haha
The ugly sonic wasn’t really a trick to give the movie more attention. The Ugly sonic design was official and even there was actual merch with the first design 😂 But because of the negative criticism, the director understood the fans and had to announce the changes. Also! Since you guys don’t know a lot of shadow’s backstory, all I can say is…… it’s so painful and heartbreaking that you won’t be able to blame him in why he’s doing this.
Honestly as a sonic fan and knowing tons of things about sonic characters and sonic story’s it just hurts me to see these 2 not knowing that much about sonic but it’s alr
There's literally no way it was a marketing ploy, there were plushies and posters made and then recalled, also they wouldn't have made that many scenes of Sonic for just a fake trailer.
It’s also just a weird as fuck marketing ploy if it were true. Like… why would they choose this bizarre 5D chess scheme where they pay a ton of money to intentionally create an ugly design, and then change it to a good design, when they could have just released a good design to begin with??? Like if an advertising executive actually pitched that idea I would have them put down like a rabid dog
I might have believed it being a marketing stunt if it weren’t for the fact that that not only did the animation company go bankrupt doing the redesign, but also because the cats movie exists.
The guy at the end is Gerald Robotnik, Eggman's grandfather and Shadow's creator. He was executed prior to the games, so seeing him alive here in insane. I'm so hyped.
But Robotnik callde him papa so they might make him his dad instead of his grandfather. The reason why I believe this is because this is an new origin for all the characters and they have already changed a lot of things. But then again that last bit could be a joke and he is in fact his grandfather. I just hope they don't change too much of Shadow's origin.
It'll be very interesting to see where they take this. The only other time we've seen Gerald interact with Shadow in the present was in the comics, but it was an artificial Gerald made of his memories back when he was still good.
@@southpark_girl he doesn't hate Sonic, this is a Sonic Adventure 2 scenario. Shadow has a goal and Sonic is trying to stop him, Shadow is literally Vegeta and goes through the same character arc, he doesn't hate sonic sure he finds him annoying but Shadow respects him as a rival and friend.
@@southpark_girl Shadow has a more direct approach compared to Sonic, meaning that if Sonic does anything stupid or provokes him, Shadow won't take kindly to Sonic being in his way
@@Aktedya1-jt7vw That is a shame, yes. But I think the writing for Team Dark was done excellently in 06. Also, Rouge and Omega show up in Shadow 05, so Heroes would add some context there.
Shadow was created based on drawings that Gerald Robotnik discovered one day while exploring ruins. He discovered it and used them to design the ultimate life form. I do not recall if he found samples or not but anyway. Shadow was created as a potential cure for Maria Robotnik Gerald's granddaughter and Cousin to Ivo Robotnik. Shadow's purpose was to use his DNA to save her. Shadow and Maria became friends, Shadow accepted his purpose and wanted to save Maria. Sadly, Gun discovered Shadow and attacked the lab killing Maria during the process. Before they could catch Shadow, Maria sealed him away and sent the pod to safety where Shadow slept for decades. Her desire was to see Shadow become a beacon of hope and to help humanity.
The biggest thing to debunk the “they did this on purpose” thing was the merchandise. When the movie came out, a lot of the merch still had the old sonic design, including toys and Halloween costumes.
I knew there was gonna be a tonal shift because the writers and directors said as much. But it's crazy actually seeing the tone shift from movie to movie. The third movie is taking Shadow as a threat very seriously, which is good. Because at this point in his life, Shadow is the living embodiment of the meme "oh it's so cute you think you can defeat me with the power of friendship but I'm literally the DEVIL from the BIBLE so."
@@almas4663so because it’s a sonic movie it’s automatically stupid?? Do you like being fucking miserable and hating on everything? It’s so annoying y’all can’t ever be grateful. Doesn’t matter how good the trailer is we’re gonna have people like you saying it’s just stupid and I don’t like the humor who gives a shit the trailer was perfect stop always trying to be miserable and complain about something.
The only reason I know is because of the Sonic Destruction youtube series lol. I think most people just know about Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, and maybe Shadow.
Y'all NEED to get yourselves informed about Shadow, specifically Sonic Adventures 2. That's what this movie will be based on, but there's no guarantee it will be totally accurate. Shadow's story, though, is possibly the darkest in the entire Sonic franchise. He is a VERY complex character, and I can only hope this movie does him justice for people who know little to nothing about his lore. Also the guy at the end is Gerald Robotnik, OUR Robotnik's grandfather and Shadow's creator. There's a very dark, iconic moment in HIS story from the game, too, which I REALLY hope they use.
spoilers: dude, shadow isn"t that deep, it's an emo kid with trusting issues who's depressed because he lost his only friend to assholes. There's nothing really more to that. I love some sonic games but the characters and stories have never been deep. Really excited for the movie though, i'm sure it'll be tons of fun.
Too bad they still went the Alven and the chipmunks rout by setting it in the real world and making it halfway about some white guy's every day problems. Tom & Jerry. Garfield. Etc. Why? Look at the games and old cartoons. They had a fun and unique world. It's Super Mario Brothers the movie all over again. But this time with anti-vakser Carry chewing up a third of the movies.
@@LamirLakantryand yet the new Mario movie is somehow more boring despite being in an animated world hmm? Maybe don’t make a movie that is 90% references and only 9% character development.
@@chickennuggetcentral576 Haven't actually gotten around to seeing that one yet, so can't comment. But yeah. I agree. A movie needs to be more than nostalgia bate and instantly dated references.
From my knowledge Shadow is basically like MewTwo being a test tube experiment to create the ultimate lifeform and the young girl you see touching his glass tube is the only person who treats him like a living creature and not some monster.. Wont get into any more detail about her except she is very important to Shadow.. After his villain arc he is allways a neutral party only getting involved when the world is about to be destroyed.
It isn't told or really imply that everyone else at the arc treated him like a monster, if anything since Geral based his mind/spirit on María hoping he wouldn't be Made into a weapon, i would say he was also well treated by him, but she was whit whom he forced the strongest conection, until the military shoot her down
Well, that was the case on his debut, but after that Game i can't figure out what he is supose to be, why is he there or how does he know the rest of the characters. Sonic 2006 ended whit everything that happen being erase from history, That's the only reason why there is a world for anyone to live in inthe present, past or future, so whst is Silver conection whit the group now? Is he still from the future? If so, why is he on the past? How does he know Sonic and Friends?
@@tadeolaguarda6965 It is explained in one of the handheld games that after the 2006 debacle, the future was saved. But Silver still got born and still returned to the past anyway, with a different reason this time, since he basically wanted to end Eggman because a descendant of his in the future would cause a lotta chaos.
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 then why dosn't he do anything to stop eggman outside of that game(I'm asuming he actually did something there) the most he has done towards his goal has been trowing Sonic an emerald and get beat up by infinite. Also did he time travel using chaos emeralds? If so, are there more than 7 chaos emeralds everytime Silver is outside his time?
@@tadeolaguarda6965They meet in the mobile version of Sonic colors... Which is just baffling since Sega has a tendency to pretend the mobile games don't exist. Most of the Silver lore is explained in the IDW comics. I don't remember it all. But I'm pretty sure its explained that he doesn't exactly choose when he goes back and forth through time and he can't really control it. I'd have to read it again to be sure though.
To explain Sonic characters a bit, they can be any type of animal. From mammals, reptiles, birds, sea creatures, bugs, and even a sentient plant at one point. The anthro-animal characters are commonly referred to as “Mobians” by the community and external media to differentiate them from the actual critters that Sonic rescues in the games. Of course there’s the “main” cast of characters that commonly appear in all or most Sonic media: Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, and Rouge. But there are also other characters that appear every once in a while: Cream the Rabbit, Vector the Crocodile, Espio the Chameleon, Charmy Bee, Silver the Hedgehog, Blaze the Cat, and E-123 Omega. The “big purple rabbit” Ruff was describing is Big the Cat, who’s essentially the running joke of the franchise in how he always finds himself in the weirdest of places and typically appears as a cameo. Mostly because players hated his levels in Sonic Adventure 1 (1998). Several games also have one-off characters that either return in promotional material/social media posts, or characters that were introduced and brought back decades later: Emerl, Chip, Mighty the Armadillo, and Ray the Squirrel. Recently, we’ve had a new character in Sonic Frontiers named Sage. She is an artificial intelligence that Eggman programmed to essentially be his daughter, and takes the form of a young white-haired girl in a dress. A very sweet and human moment for Eggman. And if you think the games have a lot of characters… hoo boy wait until you see the cartoons, comics, and side games. Countless characters that were made in the 90s and 2000s through external/side media would never return, and are mostly known by just Sonic fans (this includes Knuckles’ entire 35+ member family tree in the comics, because a certain controversial writer/illustrator, Ken Penders, was obsessed with Echidnas). The ongoing IDW comics also introduce many new characters who haven’t been put into motion yet, and only a select few have found themselves in side games. So… yeah. There’s a lot of Sonic characters. And those are just the good guys, there’s a lot of villains outside of Eggman as well: Chaos, Metal Sonic, Black Doom, Solaris, Erazor Djinn, Dark Gaia, The Dark Queen… the 2000s were a wild time for Sonic. There are also several human characters that show up on occasion. But outside of Eggman (and two, maybe three, characters in the new movie) they never really stick around or have much significant relevance to the Sonic story as a whole. But, that’s about most of what you gotta know about Sonic characters without spoilers or major plot details. And also because writing a 10 paragraph comment is a bit ridiculous. But I hope you found this useful!
"Mobian" is never used in any game. The term "Mobian" comes from early western cartoon shows because they lived on a planet called Mobius, which was pulled from a mistranslation of something Yuji Naka said. Yuji Naka mentioned something about a "mobius strip" (think of a twisted rubber band) because of the twisting mobius strip-like platforms that can be seen in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3. This was mistaken to be saying the planet was called mobius and so the western comics used that term, while in-game whenever the planet's name is mentioned, its always just "Earth". I think actually the words Naka said translated to something like "mobius worlds", but again, he was referring to a mobius strip. There's even a level in Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity called Mobius Strip... because the shape of the level is literally a Mobius Strip. No name is given for the Sonic-style 'anthro' characters, but they are individually called by the animal they're based on--Hedgehog, Echidna, etc.
@@JaidynReiman Sorry. I just worded it weirdly and made it seem like “Mobian” was an official term used in games. What I meant was that external media and most of the fans refer to them as “mobians” since we don’t really have an official name for the anthro characters.
The introduction of Shadow into the cutesy hero world of Sonic and brought it painfully and brutally back to reality. Watching his backstory with Maria as a young kid was gut-wrenching
I would say the best way to learn what happened to shadow, would be to probably watch the cutscenes of Sonic Adventure 2! It will honestly offer a ton of insight when you go in to watch Sonic 3 - and offers a lot of context on the friendships of all the characters in the main Sonic cast. Just a suggestion - you guys do great work! But that's where I'd probably start a bit
It might actually not be a good idea if you don't already know the lore. Yes, you can understand Shadow's _game_ lore by doing that, but we don't know how much the film lore is changing up the original lore. And the game lore so far already has changed quite a bit. I do wonder, though, if there's a reason Commander Walters knows so much about Shadow here. It could be they're going to bring back the GUN Commander's backstory from Shadow the Hedgehog with him literally knowing Maria from the past. He also remembered Project Shadow from the end of the second film, too. That said, he's still far, far different from the games GUN Commander. The GUN Commander blamed Shadow for Maria's death as well as the deaths of his family aboard the ARK, because he was only a little boy at the time, not knowing it was actually the GUN at that time who did it. This one clearly knows it wasn't Shadow's fault and Shadow has a tragic backstory, but also fully understands Shadow is a very serious threat that needs to be stopped. So he sympathizes with Shadow while recognizing Shadow is extremely dangerous, which is very different from Shadow the Hedgehog's GUN Commander (who still believes Shadow is evil long after he saved the world multiple times).
SONIC GAME CUTSCENES TO WATCH BEFORE SONIC 3: 1)Sonic Adventure 2) Sonic Adventure 2 3) Sonic Heroes 4) Shadow the Hedgehog 5) Sonic 2006 6) Sonic Generations
Since y'all don't know Shadow's backstory, allow me to summarize: Shadow was a creature created by Gerald Robotnik (the guy at the end of the trailer) using DNA from an alien called "Black Doom," as part of an experiment used to cure his granddaughter; Maria on a spacecraft called the Ark. But when G.U.N./the government found out about the alien part, they raided the place & killed everyone who knew. But Maria launched Shadow to Earth before they got to him, but Maria was caught in a crossfire & gunned down. Hence why Shadow is so angry & vengeful.
12:55 If you want to know the story of Shadow, checkout Chaomix's "The COMPLETE Lore of Project Shadow" video which details Shadow's backstory. There's also a short fan film called "Project Shadow" which is an unofficial prequel to this film.
You guys need to watch the cutscenes of Sonic Adventure 2 because Sonic Movie 3 takes inspiration from that game where Shadow was first introduced in the Sonic games and talks about his origin story. And suppose you want to play a game that better helps you understand Shadow’s past and motivations. In that case, a game coming out in October called Sonic X Shadow Generations and an animation prologue of that game called Sonic X Shadow Generations Dark Beginnings is coming in November. You may also check the cutscenes from Shadow’s solo game from 2005, but it has multiple endings. But take a look at it because the trailer looks like it took elements from that game, especially his motorcycle 🦔🖤❤️
I just got through watching the trailer, and then i rewatched it with the sound muted, while listening to the song "I Am All of Me" from The Shadow The Hedgehog game playing over it.
- Crazy how far we've come. I'm not a fan of the 1st movie but I appreciate that movie walked so the movie franchise could run. Also nice to see writers and directors take criticism maturely and embrace the material - Silver debut in Sonic 06
Shadows backstory : from what I know he was made to protect a around 12-13 y/o girl named Maria, who unfortunately died. Idk if he was specifically made to protect Maria but it was his first assignment. If I’m correct at 10:56 Maria shows up in guys trailer
He was not Made specifically to protect María, he was Made as the culmination of a series of experiments to create the ultimate life form, Gerald, eggman grandfather hoped to be able to use the research that went into creating Shadow to cure María from her terminal illnes, and as far as I'm aware Shadow wasn't order to protect María, they just became close Friends, though i may not be right in that last part
@@tadeolaguarda6965 no you’re correct, they were more like brother and sister as both Maria and Shadow were born on the Space Colony Ark. Maria unfortunately lost her life when G.U.N./the government sent a raid on the ark in order to capture Shadow and use him for warfare and Gerald to continue working experiments, everyone else on the Ark, they order to ‘silence’ ie terminate everyone else who knew about Project Shadow. In an attempt to get Shadow off the Ark safely, Maria was gunned down by a G.U.N. soldier after releasing him in a pod.
@@DERRELL-qw8kw I didn't think she was necessarily born on the Ark, but she lived their most of her life because she needed a very clean environment to be able to survive long with her condition. But yeah, for all intents and purposes Shadow and Maria have a brother-and-sister relationship.
If you don’t know: the guy at the end with Eggman is his grandfather: Gerald Robotnik who is also the grandfather of Maria and the creator of Shadow. In the games, he was executed by the government so it was surprising to see him alive in the movie.
You should react to the improv parody series Realtime Fandubs for Sonic Adventure. They're extremely popular comedy videos and you guys will love them.
Shadow's teleportation is actually Chaos Control. Which in the games and comics (and shows I'm pretty sure) has been used to teleport very large objects before.
if i recall, the story with the design change goes something like this: the initial design was focus-grouped into existence, with small kids and teens being the target audience, but not specifically gamers who know what sonic is. then the first trailer dropped and twitter got ahold of it. what followed was something like 3 months of the most extreme razzing you've ever seen, which caused sega and paramount's stocks to drop noticably. the animation company stepped forward on paramount's behalf and said a combination of "we told them from the start" and "we understand you're angry", then the animation director announced on twitter that sega marketing had gotten involved. after that, everyone goes silent for like, a week, and then the animation director announces on twitter that the suits at paramount had been convinced of the error and that the animation studio was working to correct the design. movie was delayed about 4-6 months. a little bit later, the second version of trailer 1 dropped with the updated design, at which point everyone breathed a sigh of relief. movie was a success, etc. then paramount's executives had their revenge and closed the animation studio that had just pulled them from the fire, citing that it wasn't performing to their standards. nobody knows for sure, but we're all pretty convinced it was because the change to the design was costly and the suits didn't like the backtalk they got on their design.
Your general lack of classic sonic knowledge is very surprising and concerning. How does anybody not know who Big the cat or Rouge the bat or Blaze the cat are
Why would anyone that isn't a Sega fan know these characters?? Theyre underutilized. The most popular 3d sonic games are getting the adventure games and rouge and big the cat were mainly remembered as memes. The last mainline game with all of those characters is 13+ years old(except big, but he was still a statue)
There is actually a fan made Shadow movie on TH-cam that goes deep into his story and that would be really cool for you guys to react to because it will help fill some plot holes for Shadow’s character.
Now we need Sonic 3 to get a PG-13 rating due to Shadow’s backstory and his dark side - probably give it a 2hrs & 15 or 20 minutes run-time - have Amy Rose in a mid credits scene and gets voiced by either Anna Kendrick or Miranda Cosgrove
I'm hoping the last 20-30 minutes might include a little alien invasion and the track I AM ALL OF ME in the background. Hell, he's already on his motorbike, we're half way there!
I could see movie 3 ending with Shadow being on the good guy side, but deciding to leave on a journey of self-discovery like Knuckles did, and when he returns, he's formed team dark with Omega and Rouge
Shadow is either going to go on a journey of self discovery, probably with Rouge as a government agent meant to keep an eye on him. Or he'll pull a SONIC X and.. well... yeah
This is peak Sonic. I love how Shadow isn't playing around at all. And yes Shadow isn't necessarily an enemy or a hero. He does his own thing 100% of the time. lol
The only reason I think the old design was not a marketing stunt, is because CATS the movie exists. They okayed those gross designs, so of course they okayed the old sonic design at some point
So this is not a spoiler because it was all in the end credit scene of the second Sonic Movie. The military found a secret one of their bases, which has been closed off since the (I think 70s), that was run by a "Robotnik", current Robotnik's grandfather, a facility containing "Project Shadow". Shadow's story is deeply rooted with Robtonik's grandfather.
15:40 She’s a bat, also there is Chaos, a liquid creature made by robotnic as a means to absorb the power of the chaos emeralds and was the main villain of Sonic Adventures. I’m almost past I’ve he will be revealed in this movie or will be post-credits
I was able to talk to one of the animators that worked on Sonic. Unfortunately, they did listen to fan feedback, I really wish it was a marketing ploy. They worked overtime to fix it to how it is now.
You guys should watch Sonic X, there is more lore into the characters and it even includes lore from the game which makes the serie canon to the game. (Its more developed than Sonic Prime)
There was definitely a plot change from the original and new design. Sonic does say in the car scene “I’m here to save your planet” where as in the new one hes the one that needs to be saved.
shadow has an anime level tragic backstory involving maria, gerald robotnik, and G.U.N...and some space aliens but i dont think theyre gonna get into that. Shadow is very much chaotic good/chaotic neutral most of the time. his allies are whoever will get him closer to whatever goal he has at the time. sonic adventure 2, sonic battle, and shadow the hedgehog games are where youll learn everything about him. But there are easily another dozen mainline characters they could pull in. Amy, Blaze the Cat, Silver the Hedgehog, Rouge the Bat, Cream the Rabbit, Cheese the Chao, Big the Cat, Vector the Crocidile, Espio the Chameleon, Charmy Bee, Emerl the Robot, E-621 Gamma, the Babylon Rogues, Fang the Sniper, Bean the Dynamite, Fang the Polar, and plenty from comics.
Five words. Shadow the Hedgehog game trailer. The one from 2005 on PS2. That trailer is still so cool to this day and goes 0 to 100 in literally first 2 seconds of the trailer xD.
I sincerely hope that the movie sneaks in a little reference to the SnapCube fandubs. Which you guys MUST watch after doing the cutscenes of their respective games: Sonic Adventure 2 Sonic '06 Sonic Riders Shadow the Hedgehog
One of the main reasons the original design couldn’t have been a marketing ploy was because redoing all the VFX with the new design ended up bankrupting the animation studio working on the movie. If it was just a trick like that, then there would have been hell to pay
I don’t think ugly Sonic was a marketing ploy, the fact it had to be pushed back to a later release date, merchandise had to be recalled, Jim carry having concerns about the redesign due to fan out cry, and the Vfx studio that designed Sonic had to shut down, there’s just a lot going on that implies this wasn’t a marketing ploy.
6:15 Well, when it comes to the Velma thing. It's very likely that they had a certain number of episodes in agreement. Usually, when a show is commissioned, they go by episode number rather than seasons. So the 2 seasons of Velma was pretty much a done deal before the first episode dropped.
If you guys want to know the story of Shadow watch a cutscene compilation of Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog period his story is explained in detail in Sonic Adventure 2 that's where you learn everything about him since it's his first appearance. You guys should probably do a reaction to the Sonic Adventure 2 cutscenes next before the movie comes out.
Since you guys have been going through the Sonic game cutscenes I would recommend watching Adventure 1, Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Unleashed (I know they already did it), Secret Ring, Black Knight (I know they already did it), Colors, Generations, Lost World, Forces, Frontier. Hope this helps! :)
Shadow was made to become a weapon more powerful than Sonic aka the ultimate lifeform so he’s directly linked to the chaos force more so than sonic which is why he can do things like teleport, manipulate time etc especially when he has a chaos emerald
But there was one person who saw him as a living being. Like Tom was for Sonic. But unfortunately, like Wolverine in Deadpool 3, he let his entire world down.
Shadow was not Made as a weapon to surpass Sonic, not only did Sonic didn't Even existed at the time, but Geral Made his mind bases on Maria specifically so he wouldn't become a weapon but a defender, it wasn't until after Maria death Gerald would try to use him as a weapon for revenge
To know Shadow’s story, you gotta start with Sonic Adventure 2, then Sonic Heroes, then Shadow’s own game. But keep in mind with Shadow’s game, most of the events are basically what if scenarios & alternate timelines, with the actual true canon part happening at the very end.
Play the Sonic Adventure 2 game. It may not be the best sonic game, or the best sonic story. But it did a pretty good job of getting you to know all the different characters and is like.... THE introduction to Shadow
God, imagine, IMAGINE if they reacted to Snapcube’s Real Time Fandub of the Sonic games with no prior knowledge of what is actually going on, that would be so good
If you guys want to learn more about the story of Shadow, I'd highly recommend Chaomix's video on the complete story on Project Shadow: th-cam.com/video/d2Jk-Ucnu0s/w-d-xo.html
You guys should really react to the sonic real time fanfubs, they're hilarious! Its basically a bunch of people dubbing and improvising over the cutscenes in sonic games in one go
Guys, the creators said this movie will closely follow Sonic Adventure 2 just watch the cutscenes from that game and it'll explain Shadow and the other Robotnik a lot more
If it was a marketing ploy, the movie wouldn't have been pushed back from its original November release, they wouldn't have sent out merch of the original design, and they ESPECIALLY wouldn't have brought Ian Flinn onto the team to help with the redesign.
He was introduced in Sonic Adventure 2 LMAO. Years before Sonic X. Sonic X actually based it's episodes with Shadow around the Sonic Adventure 2 game. The show roughly follows the story of the game, it just adds Chris and the other annoying humans.
Double the Hedgehogs, Double the Eggmen, Triple the Excitement - The older Robotnik is his grandfather named Gerald & is also the grandfather to Maria the girl that was with Shadow which is Gerald’s creation
*YOO, THIS WAS DEFINITELY WORTH THE WAIT!!!* Keanu Reeves sounds SO GOOD as Shadow! Everything about his design, aura, and performance in the Akira slide is a chef's kiss. Just the visuals, Jimmy Carrey back as Eggman, who is now working with Sonic & even Eggman's dad (who I believe was person who experimented on Shadow), have me HYPED! It truly amazes me how good these Sonic movies have been, and the fact that we went from a gold awful trailer design to having some of the most accurate and beloved depictions of Sonic, Eggman, Knuckles, Tails, and now Shadow really shows how much love and passion the people behind these movies and projects have for the character and game in general #SonicMovie3 #Sonic3 #ShadowTheHedgehog ⚡🦔🔵🟡🔴⚫
It wasn't planned. The original animation studio went broke after the first movie and you can see mistakes (specially in how Tom holds him, mistakes in cgi integration ) and how the model used to be smaller than the regular Sonic later so it looks like he grew but actually, he was smaller in the ugly version. It's the reason why we have deleted scenes with the ugly model (why would they animate obscure scenes with the ugly one if they would be deleted anyways?) and the second movie had another redesign for Sonic and Tails if you look closely they aren't exactly the same since: 1.- different studios 2.- they have more time to do good stuff this time. It's why the third looks so good, while they couldn't record the humans with the actor strike they took a lot of effort in the 3D department
Oh my dear lord. If you want Sonic lore, there's: Sonic games, The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic SatAM, Sonic Underground, Sonic OVA, Sonic X, Archie Sonic, IDW Sonic, Sonic the Comic, Sonic BOOM (mainly cartoon), Sonic Prime, Sonic movies. You guys should react to the cartoon movie Sonic OVA before the next live-action is out for fun :3
The older Robotnik is likely going to be Gerald Robotnik. The new Sonic movie is going to cover events that took place in Sonic Adventure 2, the game that Shadow was introduced, and Gerald Robotnik was the one who created Shadow to be the ultimate being. I'd suggest checking that game out to get some idea of what is likely gonna occur in the third movie, though I'm not sure if they'll be going as far as using the final boss of that game in the movie.
God, Keanu's voice, Shadow on a Motorcycle, the Live and Learn Motif, Robotnik's fat as the last piece of the Eggman puzzle. I'm so incredibly hyped for this movie, it feels like there's some real love in this.
Also, similar to the FNaF Movie, never did I think I'd be this excited to see a character's death happen on the big screen, and especially not a *CHILD'S* death.
The guy at the end of the trailer is Gerald Robotnik, Eggman’s grandfather. In the games he was executed via firing squad so they changed it here to keep him alive
Shadow was created by Gerald in the games as the “Ultimate Lifeform”.
I'm not privy to alot of sonic lore but he was EXECUTED BY WHAT. And just referring to the word "executed" when talking about a Sonic game is WILD to me haha
@@Mads97415 In Sonic Adventure 2 he was executed on screen.
@@Mads97415oh sweet summer child that’s not even the worst thing to happen to poor old Gerald 😭
@@toshtao1 GOOD LORD
The ugly sonic wasn’t really a trick to give the movie more attention. The Ugly sonic design was official and even there was actual merch with the first design 😂
But because of the negative criticism, the director understood the fans and had to announce the changes.
Also! Since you guys don’t know a lot of shadow’s backstory, all I can say is…… it’s so painful and heartbreaking that you won’t be able to blame him in why he’s doing this.
Can’t wait to see Maria…. >:)
It’s like ET on Atari 2600!
Honestly as a sonic fan and knowing tons of things about sonic characters and sonic story’s it just hurts me to see these 2 not knowing that much about sonic but it’s alr
Its certainly a theory.
And they should react to Sonic story and then Sonic fandubs!!!!
There's literally no way it was a marketing ploy, there were plushies and posters made and then recalled, also they wouldn't have made that many scenes of Sonic for just a fake trailer.
It’s also just a weird as fuck marketing ploy if it were true. Like… why would they choose this bizarre 5D chess scheme where they pay a ton of money to intentionally create an ugly design, and then change it to a good design, when they could have just released a good design to begin with???
Like if an advertising executive actually pitched that idea I would have them put down like a rabid dog
Yeah, that's a really dumb idea
I might have believed it being a marketing stunt if it weren’t for the fact that that not only did the animation company go bankrupt doing the redesign, but also because the cats movie exists.
Just did my reaction! yo im so ready for shadow to clap !
I need a source on "plushies and posters" that were recalled.
That's Robotnik's grandfather, Gerald, and he's a very BIG part of Shadow's story
He Created Shadow
Just did my reaction! yo im so ready for shadow to clap !
big part of sonic lore in general
They better include black doom in this somehow.
@@jarodhankey4551they called Shadow an “alien” so
The guy at the end is Gerald Robotnik, Eggman's grandfather and Shadow's creator. He was executed prior to the games, so seeing him alive here in insane. I'm so hyped.
Unless... He's a hallucination.
But Robotnik callde him papa so they might make him his dad instead of his grandfather. The reason why I believe this is because this is an new origin for all the characters and they have already changed a lot of things. But then again that last bit could be a joke and he is in fact his grandfather. I just hope they don't change too much of Shadow's origin.
@@Rodrigo_Scisoar He said Papap, which means grandfather.
@@richardkirkland6805 Huh, interesting. Thanks for the correction, I didn't know that.
It'll be very interesting to see where they take this. The only other time we've seen Gerald interact with Shadow in the present was in the comics, but it was an artificial Gerald made of his memories back when he was still good.
It’s also so funny that Keanu voicing shadow considering sonic says that’s he’s a national treasure in the 1st movie.
John Wick's story is based off a dog dying
Shadow's story is based on a girl dying
"It's like poetry, it rhymes" :P
@@shykorustotoraYeah,….I think I’m BACK!
12:56 I’ll just say that… Shadow has a very very tragic backstory, which is the reason why he’s the way he is
But like why does he hate sonic
@@southpark_girl shadow does not hate sonic, he’s more envious of him than anything
He actually respects sonic in most games like sonic adventure 2 , and sonic battle@@southpark_girl
@@southpark_girl he doesn't hate Sonic, this is a Sonic Adventure 2 scenario. Shadow has a goal and Sonic is trying to stop him, Shadow is literally Vegeta and goes through the same character arc, he doesn't hate sonic sure he finds him annoying but Shadow respects him as a rival and friend.
@@southpark_girl Shadow has a more direct approach compared to Sonic, meaning that if Sonic does anything stupid or provokes him, Shadow won't take kindly to Sonic being in his way
To know the lore of Shadow, a watch of the cutscenes or gameplay of Sonic Adventure 2 and the Shadow the Hedgehog game is required.
The Team Dark story of Sonic Heroes between those.
@@jordancooney6817Heroes doesn't add much tbh. All you need to know is that Shadow came back somehow, and lost his memory.
@@Aktedya1-jt7vw Well, it shapes his dynamic with Rouge and Omega (oh, and introduces Omega). That's important.
@@jordancooney6817 I WOULD agree, if they did anything with Team Dark after 06 lol
@@Aktedya1-jt7vw That is a shame, yes. But I think the writing for Team Dark was done excellently in 06. Also, Rouge and Omega show up in Shadow 05, so Heroes would add some context there.
I don't know how we ended up in the timeline with a TRILOGY of great Sonic movies, but I'm not mad.
i know right! god im so happy but at the same time i felt bad for the timeline where they didn't change sonic design imagine.
To be fair the story was already written over a decade ago so it was hard to mess up
Shadow was created based on drawings that Gerald Robotnik discovered one day while exploring ruins. He discovered it and used them to design the ultimate life form. I do not recall if he found samples or not but anyway. Shadow was created as a potential cure for Maria Robotnik Gerald's granddaughter and Cousin to Ivo Robotnik. Shadow's purpose was to use his DNA to save her. Shadow and Maria became friends, Shadow accepted his purpose and wanted to save Maria. Sadly, Gun discovered Shadow and attacked the lab killing Maria during the process. Before they could catch Shadow, Maria sealed him away and sent the pod to safety where Shadow slept for decades. Her desire was to see Shadow become a beacon of hope and to help humanity.
And got some dna from Black Doom
He got dna from black doom
@@junoyang9694 Thanks I did not remember XD
i forgot they are liberally called fucking GUN
@@theirishviking9278 Yeah stands for Guardian Units of Nations
"This Is A Bad Idea."-
"When Has That Ever Stopped Me?"
That hit so fucking hard.
especially for the sonic in Sonic Prime
@@sidkit4everand Sonic in general!
The biggest thing to debunk the “they did this on purpose” thing was the merchandise. When the movie came out, a lot of the merch still had the old sonic design, including toys and Halloween costumes.
Plus the deleted scenes use the old model as well.
And don't forget the concept art that has the old design too
I knew there was gonna be a tonal shift because the writers and directors said as much. But it's crazy actually seeing the tone shift from movie to movie.
The third movie is taking Shadow as a threat very seriously, which is good. Because at this point in his life, Shadow is the living embodiment of the meme "oh it's so cute you think you can defeat me with the power of friendship but I'm literally the DEVIL from the BIBLE so."
But the movie itself is still very stupid, and I'm afraid the humor is going to ruin it
@@almas4663 nah the humor in this trailer was actually funny
@@sethisevilone02 The humor in this trilogy is pure brainrot. I will never forget, nor forgive, the dance-off scene
@@almas4663so because it’s a sonic movie it’s automatically stupid?? Do you like being fucking miserable and hating on everything? It’s so annoying y’all can’t ever be grateful. Doesn’t matter how good the trailer is we’re gonna have people like you saying it’s just stupid and I don’t like the humor who gives a shit the trailer was perfect stop always trying to be miserable and complain about something.
@@almas4663 its not that bad bro
Shadow was born/created before sonic came to earth
long before sonic was even born
Shadow was only an antagonist in sa2, onwards he's a good guy, 06 especially where he was at his peak character growth
More of an anti-hero due to his occasional angstyness.
Good... ish.. Shadow really brings a Game of Thrones element to the Sonic franchise because backstabbing is always on the table with him
13:30 I’m surprised you don’t know who Gerald Robnick is
I don't think they seen project shadow
lol they’re new to the sonic series
Oh I see
The only reason I know is because of the Sonic Destruction youtube series lol. I think most people just know about Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, and maybe Shadow.
people that don’t play sonic adventure 2 won’t know who he is
11:50 "He is the chosen one" Shadow literally have a theme called "The Chosen One" lol
Y'all NEED to get yourselves informed about Shadow, specifically Sonic Adventures 2. That's what this movie will be based on, but there's no guarantee it will be totally accurate.
Shadow's story, though, is possibly the darkest in the entire Sonic franchise. He is a VERY complex character, and I can only hope this movie does him justice for people who know little to nothing about his lore.
Also the guy at the end is Gerald Robotnik, OUR Robotnik's grandfather and Shadow's creator. There's a very dark, iconic moment in HIS story from the game, too, which I REALLY hope they use.
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dude, shadow isn"t that deep, it's an emo kid with trusting issues who's depressed because he lost his only friend to assholes. There's nothing really more to that. I love some sonic games but the characters and stories have never been deep.
Really excited for the movie though, i'm sure it'll be tons of fun.
@@morgen3369 said a whole bunch of nothing lmao
That's Robotnik's grandfather who is supposed to be dead
Yea he’s dead in the game.
Yeah, SUPPOSED!!
Idk whats going on here but I can't wait for December
I'm glad Sonic got redesigned before the first movie got published.
Too bad they still went the Alven and the chipmunks rout by setting it in the real world and making it halfway about some white guy's every day problems. Tom & Jerry. Garfield. Etc. Why? Look at the games and old cartoons. They had a fun and unique world. It's Super Mario Brothers the movie all over again. But this time with anti-vakser Carry chewing up a third of the movies.
@@LamirLakantryand yet the new Mario movie is somehow more boring despite being in an animated world hmm?
Maybe don’t make a movie that is 90% references and only 9% character development.
@@chickennuggetcentral576 Haven't actually gotten around to seeing that one yet, so can't comment. But yeah. I agree. A movie needs to be more than nostalgia bate and instantly dated references.
From my knowledge Shadow is basically like MewTwo being a test tube experiment to create the ultimate lifeform and the young girl you see touching his glass tube is the only person who treats him like a living creature and not some monster..
Wont get into any more detail about her except she is very important to Shadow..
After his villain arc he is allways a neutral party only getting involved when the world is about to be destroyed.
It isn't told or really imply that everyone else at the arc treated him like a monster, if anything since Geral based his mind/spirit on María hoping he wouldn't be Made into a weapon, i would say he was also well treated by him, but she was whit whom he forced the strongest conection, until the military shoot her down
Easiest way to explain Silver is he's the Future Trunks of Sonic xD
Well, that was the case on his debut, but after that Game i can't figure out what he is supose to be, why is he there or how does he know the rest of the characters. Sonic 2006 ended whit everything that happen being erase from history, That's the only reason why there is a world for anyone to live in inthe present, past or future, so whst is Silver conection whit the group now? Is he still from the future? If so, why is he on the past? How does he know Sonic and Friends?
@@tadeolaguarda6965
It is explained in one of the handheld games that after the 2006 debacle, the future was saved. But Silver still got born and still returned to the past anyway, with a different reason this time, since he basically wanted to end Eggman because a descendant of his in the future would cause a lotta chaos.
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 then why dosn't he do anything to stop eggman outside of that game(I'm asuming he actually did something there) the most he has done towards his goal has been trowing Sonic an emerald and get beat up by infinite. Also did he time travel using chaos emeralds? If so, are there more than 7 chaos emeralds everytime Silver is outside his time?
@@tadeolaguarda6965They meet in the mobile version of Sonic colors... Which is just baffling since Sega has a tendency to pretend the mobile games don't exist.
Most of the Silver lore is explained in the IDW comics. I don't remember it all. But I'm pretty sure its explained that he doesn't exactly choose when he goes back and forth through time and he can't really control it. I'd have to read it again to be sure though.
@@EvelynWn thanks for the info
To explain Sonic characters a bit, they can be any type of animal. From mammals, reptiles, birds, sea creatures, bugs, and even a sentient plant at one point. The anthro-animal characters are commonly referred to as “Mobians” by the community and external media to differentiate them from the actual critters that Sonic rescues in the games.
Of course there’s the “main” cast of characters that commonly appear in all or most Sonic media: Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, and Rouge. But there are also other characters that appear every once in a while: Cream the Rabbit, Vector the Crocodile, Espio the Chameleon, Charmy Bee, Silver the Hedgehog, Blaze the Cat, and E-123 Omega. The “big purple rabbit” Ruff was describing is Big the Cat, who’s essentially the running joke of the franchise in how he always finds himself in the weirdest of places and typically appears as a cameo. Mostly because players hated his levels in Sonic Adventure 1 (1998).
Several games also have one-off characters that either return in promotional material/social media posts, or characters that were introduced and brought back decades later: Emerl, Chip, Mighty the Armadillo, and Ray the Squirrel. Recently, we’ve had a new character in Sonic Frontiers named Sage. She is an artificial intelligence that Eggman programmed to essentially be his daughter, and takes the form of a young white-haired girl in a dress. A very sweet and human moment for Eggman.
And if you think the games have a lot of characters… hoo boy wait until you see the cartoons, comics, and side games. Countless characters that were made in the 90s and 2000s through external/side media would never return, and are mostly known by just Sonic fans (this includes Knuckles’ entire 35+ member family tree in the comics, because a certain controversial writer/illustrator, Ken Penders, was obsessed with Echidnas). The ongoing IDW comics also introduce many new characters who haven’t been put into motion yet, and only a select few have found themselves in side games.
So… yeah. There’s a lot of Sonic characters. And those are just the good guys, there’s a lot of villains outside of Eggman as well: Chaos, Metal Sonic, Black Doom, Solaris, Erazor Djinn, Dark Gaia, The Dark Queen… the 2000s were a wild time for Sonic. There are also several human characters that show up on occasion. But outside of Eggman (and two, maybe three, characters in the new movie) they never really stick around or have much significant relevance to the Sonic story as a whole. But, that’s about most of what you gotta know about Sonic characters without spoilers or major plot details. And also because writing a 10 paragraph comment is a bit ridiculous. But I hope you found this useful!
"Mobian" is never used in any game. The term "Mobian" comes from early western cartoon shows because they lived on a planet called Mobius, which was pulled from a mistranslation of something Yuji Naka said. Yuji Naka mentioned something about a "mobius strip" (think of a twisted rubber band) because of the twisting mobius strip-like platforms that can be seen in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3. This was mistaken to be saying the planet was called mobius and so the western comics used that term, while in-game whenever the planet's name is mentioned, its always just "Earth".
I think actually the words Naka said translated to something like "mobius worlds", but again, he was referring to a mobius strip. There's even a level in Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity called Mobius Strip... because the shape of the level is literally a Mobius Strip.
No name is given for the Sonic-style 'anthro' characters, but they are individually called by the animal they're based on--Hedgehog, Echidna, etc.
@@JaidynReiman Sorry. I just worded it weirdly and made it seem like “Mobian” was an official term used in games. What I meant was that external media and most of the fans refer to them as “mobians” since we don’t really have an official name for the anthro characters.
Shadow’s backstory is legit tragic. I wonder if the movie is going to go into detail about what exactly happens in it
It’s legit close to the Wolverine in DP&W when he let down his entire world.
I hope so, but i dosn't think they will
Well, we saw Maria with Shadow in the trailer. Maybe, there will be multiple flashbacks that shows what happened.
The introduction of Shadow into the cutesy hero world of Sonic and brought it painfully and brutally back to reality. Watching his backstory with Maria as a young kid was gut-wrenching
@@elizabethfeuerbach5006 it would seems she dosn't die by getting shot by GUN soldiers here.
This IS the Year of Shadow! So excited for the Sonic 3 movie!!🖤❤️🖤❤️
I would say the best way to learn what happened to shadow, would be to probably watch the cutscenes of Sonic Adventure 2! It will honestly offer a ton of insight when you go in to watch Sonic 3 - and offers a lot of context on the friendships of all the characters in the main Sonic cast.
Just a suggestion - you guys do great work! But that's where I'd probably start a bit
For Silver stuff, Sonic 06 cutscenes would be another good one to watch! :>
I think they should instead watch Chaomix's video on Project Shadow
It might actually not be a good idea if you don't already know the lore. Yes, you can understand Shadow's _game_ lore by doing that, but we don't know how much the film lore is changing up the original lore. And the game lore so far already has changed quite a bit.
I do wonder, though, if there's a reason Commander Walters knows so much about Shadow here. It could be they're going to bring back the GUN Commander's backstory from Shadow the Hedgehog with him literally knowing Maria from the past. He also remembered Project Shadow from the end of the second film, too.
That said, he's still far, far different from the games GUN Commander. The GUN Commander blamed Shadow for Maria's death as well as the deaths of his family aboard the ARK, because he was only a little boy at the time, not knowing it was actually the GUN at that time who did it. This one clearly knows it wasn't Shadow's fault and Shadow has a tragic backstory, but also fully understands Shadow is a very serious threat that needs to be stopped. So he sympathizes with Shadow while recognizing Shadow is extremely dangerous, which is very different from Shadow the Hedgehog's GUN Commander (who still believes Shadow is evil long after he saved the world multiple times).
SONIC GAME CUTSCENES TO WATCH BEFORE SONIC 3:
1)Sonic Adventure
2) Sonic Adventure 2
3) Sonic Heroes
4) Shadow the Hedgehog
5) Sonic 2006
6) Sonic Generations
That will literally spoil a ton of the plot of the movie
@@In-The-Zone Not really, they reference, but do their own thing.
They just need to watch sa2 that's it
@@ijionclifton9148 nahhh
Shadow has an insanely tragic backstory. Hes basically Sonic with Satan DNA lol
Since y'all don't know Shadow's backstory, allow me to summarize:
Shadow was a creature created by Gerald Robotnik (the guy at the end of the trailer) using DNA from an alien called "Black Doom," as part of an experiment used to cure his granddaughter; Maria on a spacecraft called the Ark. But when G.U.N./the government found out about the alien part, they raided the place & killed everyone who knew. But Maria launched Shadow to Earth before they got to him, but Maria was caught in a crossfire & gunned down. Hence why Shadow is so angry & vengeful.
12:55 If you want to know the story of Shadow, checkout Chaomix's "The COMPLETE Lore of Project Shadow" video which details Shadow's backstory.
There's also a short fan film called "Project Shadow" which is an unofficial prequel to this film.
You guys should totally react to every Sonic gaming trailer on the gaming channel. Or the music even 🙏
You guys need to watch the cutscenes of Sonic Adventure 2 because Sonic Movie 3 takes inspiration from that game where Shadow was first introduced in the Sonic games and talks about his origin story. And suppose you want to play a game that better helps you understand Shadow’s past and motivations. In that case, a game coming out in October called Sonic X Shadow Generations and an animation prologue of that game called Sonic X Shadow Generations Dark Beginnings is coming in November. You may also check the cutscenes from Shadow’s solo game from 2005, but it has multiple endings. But take a look at it because the trailer looks like it took elements from that game, especially his motorcycle 🦔🖤❤️
I just got through watching the trailer, and then i rewatched it with the sound muted, while listening to the song "I Am All of Me" from The Shadow The Hedgehog game playing over it.
I was literally thinking of the same thong when I saw the trailer. 😂
You've gotta go with the Final Doom boss battle version of that song, just for the extra verse.
OMGGG I NEED TO TRY THAT!
- Crazy how far we've come. I'm not a fan of the 1st movie but I appreciate that movie walked so the movie franchise could run. Also nice to see writers and directors take criticism maturely and embrace the material
- Silver debut in Sonic 06
All I'm saying is, if "I AM ALL OF ME" starts playing at any point in this movie, I'm gonna coom
Shadows backstory : from what I know he was made to protect a around 12-13 y/o girl named Maria, who unfortunately died. Idk if he was specifically made to protect Maria but it was his first assignment. If I’m correct at 10:56 Maria shows up in guys trailer
He was not Made specifically to protect María, he was Made as the culmination of a series of experiments to create the ultimate life form, Gerald, eggman grandfather hoped to be able to use the research that went into creating Shadow to cure María from her terminal illnes, and as far as I'm aware Shadow wasn't order to protect María, they just became close Friends, though i may not be right in that last part
@@tadeolaguarda6965 makes more sense
@@tadeolaguarda6965 no you’re correct, they were more like brother and sister as both Maria and Shadow were born on the Space Colony Ark. Maria unfortunately lost her life when G.U.N./the government sent a raid on the ark in order to capture Shadow and use him for warfare and Gerald to continue working experiments, everyone else on the Ark, they order to ‘silence’ ie terminate everyone else who knew about Project Shadow. In an attempt to get Shadow off the Ark safely, Maria was gunned down by a G.U.N. soldier after releasing him in a pod.
@@DERRELL-qw8kw I didn't think she was necessarily born on the Ark, but she lived their most of her life because she needed a very clean environment to be able to survive long with her condition. But yeah, for all intents and purposes Shadow and Maria have a brother-and-sister relationship.
@@JaidynReiman yeah, you right, she wasn’t born on there, the memory is a bit foggy, but yeah she was on there for most of her life.
It brings me joy to hear excitement about Silver.
Dude, I am hyped at Shadow's arrival and first talk!
13:22 thats gerald robotnik, eggmans dad. I think
Grandfather *
@@fallengamer1946 whoops, my bad😅 thanks for telling me
How's bro alive he's like late 110s 💀
@@rangelkoychev9959 hes just different
If you don’t know: the guy at the end with Eggman is his grandfather: Gerald Robotnik who is also the grandfather of Maria and the creator of Shadow. In the games, he was executed by the government so it was surprising to see him alive in the movie.
Yo this look sick especially that scene with Shadow pulling the Akira slide.
You should react to the improv parody series Realtime Fandubs for Sonic Adventure. They're extremely popular comedy videos and you guys will love them.
This was not a marketing ploy because McDonald's toys were made for the film and that ugly Sonic was clearly visible there
Shadow's teleportation is actually Chaos Control. Which in the games and comics (and shows I'm pretty sure) has been used to teleport very large objects before.
I'm assuming Robotnik meeting his grandfather is either time-travel shenanigans or a hallucination, otherwise Gerald would be over 100 years old lol
He did say "in the saggy flesh". Maybe that's a hint that he's staying alive unnaturally long somehow
There's like a wormhole at some point, maybe there's time traveling as the chaos emeralds can do that as we saw with Silver
@@berserker3414 Maybe!
if i recall, the story with the design change goes something like this:
the initial design was focus-grouped into existence, with small kids and teens being the target audience, but not specifically gamers who know what sonic is. then the first trailer dropped and twitter got ahold of it.
what followed was something like 3 months of the most extreme razzing you've ever seen, which caused sega and paramount's stocks to drop noticably. the animation company stepped forward on paramount's behalf and said a combination of "we told them from the start" and "we understand you're angry", then the animation director announced on twitter that sega marketing had gotten involved.
after that, everyone goes silent for like, a week, and then the animation director announces on twitter that the suits at paramount had been convinced of the error and that the animation studio was working to correct the design. movie was delayed about 4-6 months.
a little bit later, the second version of trailer 1 dropped with the updated design, at which point everyone breathed a sigh of relief. movie was a success, etc.
then paramount's executives had their revenge and closed the animation studio that had just pulled them from the fire, citing that it wasn't performing to their standards. nobody knows for sure, but we're all pretty convinced it was because the change to the design was costly and the suits didn't like the backtalk they got on their design.
14:45 shadow is actually 50 years old and sonic is around 15 or 16 so that can’t be the case
Shadow is "50+" but he spent most of that time asleep is stasis, not aging. So he is around the same age as Sonic, maybe a few years older.
Your general lack of classic sonic knowledge is very surprising and concerning. How does anybody not know who Big the cat or Rouge the bat or Blaze the cat are
Why would anyone that isn't a Sega fan know these characters?? Theyre underutilized. The most popular 3d sonic games are getting the adventure games and rouge and big the cat were mainly remembered as memes.
The last mainline game with all of those characters is 13+ years old(except big, but he was still a statue)
You can tell these guys are new/normies to the series at the moment.
I never knew I needed Keanu Reeves to voice Shadow until now.
There is actually a fan made Shadow movie on TH-cam that goes deep into his story and that would be really cool for you guys to react to because it will help fill some plot holes for Shadow’s character.
Now we need Sonic 3 to get a PG-13 rating due to Shadow’s backstory and his dark side
- probably give it a 2hrs & 15 or 20 minutes run-time
- have Amy Rose in a mid credits scene and gets voiced by either Anna Kendrick or Miranda Cosgrove
I'm hoping the last 20-30 minutes might include a little alien invasion and the track I AM ALL OF ME in the background. Hell, he's already on his motorbike, we're half way there!
I could see movie 3 ending with Shadow being on the good guy side, but deciding to leave on a journey of self-discovery like Knuckles did, and when he returns, he's formed team dark with Omega and Rouge
Shadow is either going to go on a journey of self discovery, probably with Rouge as a government agent meant to keep an eye on him. Or he'll pull a SONIC X and.. well... yeah
This is peak Sonic. I love how Shadow isn't playing around at all. And yes Shadow isn't necessarily an enemy or a hero. He does his own thing 100% of the time. lol
The only reason I think the old design was not a marketing stunt, is because CATS the movie exists. They okayed those gross designs, so of course they okayed the old sonic design at some point
It feels so criminally early
So this is not a spoiler because it was all in the end credit scene of the second Sonic Movie. The military found a secret one of their bases, which has been closed off since the (I think 70s), that was run by a "Robotnik", current Robotnik's grandfather, a facility containing "Project Shadow".
Shadow's story is deeply rooted with Robtonik's grandfather.
From the words of Abridged Vegeta...
"OH MY GOD HE'S DO GOD DAMN COOL!"
I dont think that ugly sonic was a marketing ploy because i genuinely dont believe someone could design that thing on purpose
15:40 She’s a bat, also there is Chaos, a liquid creature made by robotnic as a means to absorb the power of the chaos emeralds and was the main villain of Sonic Adventures. I’m almost past I’ve he will be revealed in this movie or will be post-credits
Chaos existed before Robotnic. The Echidna Tribe had sealed him away and Eggman tried to use him.
Chaos is actually an ancient creature that Robotnik simply controlled in the 1st Adventure game. He’s more of a Chao than anything.
@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 In my defense, I have not played that game since i last had a Dreamcast as a smol' child in the single digits age lol
I was able to talk to one of the animators that worked on Sonic. Unfortunately, they did listen to fan feedback, I really wish it was a marketing ploy. They worked overtime to fix it to how it is now.
You guys should watch Sonic X, there is more lore into the characters and it even includes lore from the game which makes the serie canon to the game. (Its more developed than Sonic Prime)
There was definitely a plot change from the original and new design. Sonic does say in the car scene “I’m here to save your planet” where as in the new one hes the one that needs to be saved.
0:35 I'd be inclined to agree, if it wasn't for the fact that Cats (2019) was released looking the way it did.
shadow has an anime level tragic backstory involving maria, gerald robotnik, and G.U.N...and some space aliens but i dont think theyre gonna get into that. Shadow is very much chaotic good/chaotic neutral most of the time. his allies are whoever will get him closer to whatever goal he has at the time. sonic adventure 2, sonic battle, and shadow the hedgehog games are where youll learn everything about him. But there are easily another dozen mainline characters they could pull in. Amy, Blaze the Cat, Silver the Hedgehog, Rouge the Bat, Cream the Rabbit, Cheese the Chao, Big the Cat, Vector the Crocidile, Espio the Chameleon, Charmy Bee, Emerl the Robot, E-621 Gamma, the Babylon Rogues, Fang the Sniper, Bean the Dynamite, Fang the Polar, and plenty from comics.
Five words. Shadow the Hedgehog game trailer. The one from 2005 on PS2.
That trailer is still so cool to this day and goes 0 to 100 in literally first 2 seconds of the trailer xD.
I sincerely hope that the movie sneaks in a little reference to the SnapCube fandubs. Which you guys MUST watch after doing the cutscenes of their respective games:
Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic '06
Sonic Riders
Shadow the Hedgehog
12:18 addiction
One of the main reasons the original design couldn’t have been a marketing ploy was because redoing all the VFX with the new design ended up bankrupting the animation studio working on the movie. If it was just a trick like that, then there would have been hell to pay
I like how Robotnik becoming more like the game version
I don’t think ugly Sonic was a marketing ploy, the fact it had to be pushed back to a later release date, merchandise had to be recalled, Jim carry having concerns about the redesign due to fan out cry, and the Vfx studio that designed Sonic had to shut down, there’s just a lot going on that implies this wasn’t a marketing ploy.
6:15 Well, when it comes to the Velma thing. It's very likely that they had a certain number of episodes in agreement. Usually, when a show is commissioned, they go by episode number rather than seasons. So the 2 seasons of Velma was pretty much a done deal before the first episode dropped.
If you guys want to know the story of Shadow watch a cutscene compilation of Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog period his story is explained in detail in Sonic Adventure 2 that's where you learn everything about him since it's his first appearance. You guys should probably do a reaction to the Sonic Adventure 2 cutscenes next before the movie comes out.
If you want to know more about Shadow, you could watch Sonic Adventures 2 gameplay/cutscenes
Since you guys have been going through the Sonic game cutscenes I would recommend watching Adventure 1, Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Unleashed (I know they already did it), Secret Ring, Black Knight (I know they already did it), Colors, Generations, Lost World, Forces, Frontier. Hope this helps! :)
Shadow was made to become a weapon more powerful than Sonic aka the ultimate lifeform so he’s directly linked to the chaos force more so than sonic which is why he can do things like teleport, manipulate time etc especially when he has a chaos emerald
But there was one person who saw him as a living being.
Like Tom was for Sonic.
But unfortunately, like Wolverine in Deadpool 3, he let his entire world down.
Shadow was not Made as a weapon to surpass Sonic, not only did Sonic didn't Even existed at the time, but Geral Made his mind bases on Maria specifically so he wouldn't become a weapon but a defender, it wasn't until after Maria death Gerald would try to use him as a weapon for revenge
As someone that has watched Sonic X. They definitely already doing a good job by already showing Maria and Gerald
“Keanu…you are a national treasure!”
To know Shadow’s story, you gotta start with Sonic Adventure 2, then Sonic Heroes, then Shadow’s own game. But keep in mind with Shadow’s game, most of the events are basically what if scenarios & alternate timelines, with the actual true canon part happening at the very end.
Play the Sonic Adventure 2 game. It may not be the best sonic game, or the best sonic story. But it did a pretty good job of getting you to know all the different characters and is like.... THE introduction to Shadow
God, imagine, IMAGINE if they reacted to Snapcube’s Real Time Fandub of the Sonic games with no prior knowledge of what is actually going on, that would be so good
If you guys want to learn more about the story of Shadow, I'd highly recommend Chaomix's video on the complete story on Project Shadow: th-cam.com/video/d2Jk-Ucnu0s/w-d-xo.html
You guys should really react to the sonic real time fanfubs, they're hilarious! Its basically a bunch of people dubbing and improvising over the cutscenes in sonic games in one go
Multiverse was only for Sonic Prime. It's not part of the Sonic games.
Guys, the creators said this movie will closely follow Sonic Adventure 2 just watch the cutscenes from that game and it'll explain Shadow and the other Robotnik a lot more
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I got Sonic Adventure 2 for my 16th birthday. The orchestral redux of Live And Learn SENT ME. Such raditude.
Murder drone episode 8 is now available
If it was a marketing ploy, the movie wouldn't have been pushed back from its original November release, they wouldn't have sent out merch of the original design, and they ESPECIALLY wouldn't have brought Ian Flinn onto the team to help with the redesign.
Ian Flynn is a writer, not an artist. They called Tyson Hesse... or like, he was already around or something, im not sure what happened exactly
Shadow was introduced in Sonic X, THE BEST SONIC SHOW, PERIOD!
He had his own whole ARK and everything.
Actually he was introduced in Sonic Adventure 2.
He was introduced in Sonic Adventure 2 LMAO. Years before Sonic X. Sonic X actually based it's episodes with Shadow around the Sonic Adventure 2 game. The show roughly follows the story of the game, it just adds Chris and the other annoying humans.
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I'd almost forgotten about that monstrosity of a hedgehog... dang it.
That's a great room to record ._.
Double the Hedgehogs, Double the Eggmen, Triple the Excitement
- The older Robotnik is his grandfather named Gerald & is also the grandfather to Maria the girl that was with Shadow which is Gerald’s creation
Murder drones ep 8 when?
*YOO, THIS WAS DEFINITELY WORTH THE WAIT!!!*
Keanu Reeves sounds SO GOOD as Shadow! Everything about his design, aura, and performance in the Akira slide is a chef's kiss. Just the visuals, Jimmy Carrey back as Eggman, who is now working with Sonic & even Eggman's dad (who I believe was person who experimented on Shadow), have me HYPED! It truly amazes me how good these Sonic movies have been, and the fact that we went from a gold awful trailer design to having some of the most accurate and beloved depictions of Sonic, Eggman, Knuckles, Tails, and now Shadow really shows how much love and passion the people behind these movies and projects have for the character and game in general
#SonicMovie3 #Sonic3 #ShadowTheHedgehog ⚡🦔🔵🟡🔴⚫
It wasn't planned.
The original animation studio went broke after the first movie and you can see mistakes (specially in how Tom holds him, mistakes in cgi integration ) and how the model used to be smaller than the regular Sonic later so it looks like he grew but actually, he was smaller in the ugly version. It's the reason why we have deleted scenes with the ugly model (why would they animate obscure scenes with the ugly one if they would be deleted anyways?) and the second movie had another redesign for Sonic and Tails if you look closely they aren't exactly the same since:
1.- different studios
2.- they have more time to do good stuff this time. It's why the third looks so good, while they couldn't record the humans with the actor strike they took a lot of effort in the 3D department
Oh my dear lord. If you want Sonic lore, there's: Sonic games, The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic SatAM, Sonic Underground, Sonic OVA, Sonic X, Archie Sonic, IDW Sonic, Sonic the Comic, Sonic BOOM (mainly cartoon), Sonic Prime, Sonic movies.
You guys should react to the cartoon movie Sonic OVA before the next live-action is out for fun :3
I would definitely recommend you guys react to the sonic adventure 2 cutscenes to see shadows debut!
The older Robotnik is likely going to be Gerald Robotnik. The new Sonic movie is going to cover events that took place in Sonic Adventure 2, the game that Shadow was introduced, and Gerald Robotnik was the one who created Shadow to be the ultimate being. I'd suggest checking that game out to get some idea of what is likely gonna occur in the third movie, though I'm not sure if they'll be going as far as using the final boss of that game in the movie.
God, Keanu's voice, Shadow on a Motorcycle, the Live and Learn Motif, Robotnik's fat as the last piece of the Eggman puzzle. I'm so incredibly hyped for this movie, it feels like there's some real love in this.
Also, similar to the FNaF Movie, never did I think I'd be this excited to see a character's death happen on the big screen, and especially not a *CHILD'S* death.
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I'm glad they seem to be keeping to Shadow's origin story, which is going to get me bawling in the theatre...