This video is critical of the C series, but I don't want you to see it as an attack on LG or that I hate LG products. That could be further from the truth I am a fan of TVs in general. I own 2 LG OLED TVs one of them is my go to computer monitor, if your familiar with my channel you know the G3 was one of my highest rated TVs last year and I rated it as my 2nd best TV for movies. The G4 was also one of my favorite TVs I saw at CES 2024. However we can't pretend like QD-OLED isn't the same price as the C series right now. This why I wanted MLA to come to the C series just like you to bring more competition to Samsung and when the A11 was rumored I thought this could help the C4 but again I was disapointed to hear when it was announced it was just for the G series, I too felt like LG was missing the mark and that this choice was forcing people to look at setting their sites on the G4. Just want to be clear, that all I want is more competition in that mid level price range where the C series sits and my goal is just overall better products at the end of the day.
I dont think LG have any plans to put the MLA on the C4 tbh with you but maybe in the future they will. Hoping that they will also add it to the C series. They did talk about that the C4 is getting an upgrade with brightness and their A9 also getting an upgrade with 144hz support for gaming. I still see this C4 being very competitive against the S90D since it has NVIDIA G-SYNC, Dolby Vision, and a much better UI in my opinion. 2024 will be an interesting year for Televisions.
They could have at least put a low grade heatsink system to the C series. I fear eventually they will move to matte or semi gloss for the lower tiers and focus everything on the G series moving forward
fully agree with you mate. always bought the c models. but last year the difference between c3 and g3 to much. also a scam that they skipped this year one generation processing. if i know that i dont have bought the lg g3 last year. because normally only one generation up. from a9 to a10. now from a9 to a11. what do you advice me. keep my lg g3 77 inch for one year longer. and buy the lg g5 next year? is the difference big between the lg g3 and g4 ? i can exchange my lg g3 77 inch for the lg g4 77 inch. must paid 2249 euro then. what you advice me mate?
@@jantjedewaal No doubt do this if you're willing to trade money for a reasonably good HDR tone mapping & better display brightness, new video processor and game improvements, but I think you'd better skip this year and sell it to someone who'll give you good money, then ad extra 2249 Euro to get 83 "G5 or G6 😉👍
@@Sinisteroid true mate. It can be much better. New generation is micro leds. wrgb oleds is on his limit. only 100 nits more with 4k content with dynamic tonemapping on at the g4.
I bought the Samsung QN90C and returned it and bought the LG C2 and I'm much happier with the color accuracy. I didn't like the over saturated colors on the QN90C and I spent more time trying to fix the colors when watching movies. The LG C2 colors were perfect right away so I could finally enjoy watching it
I agree with KG, LG OLED prices need to come down. As much as I like OLED, I'm having a hard time justifying the prices, especially when mini-led are getting so much better.
I think another factor is that one of the most popular sizes for the c series is their smaller 48 and 42 inch sizes as people would use them as monitors. However in recent times really good OLED monitors have shown up which are even smaller and (usually) cheaper. In fact some of them are even 4K 32 inch QD OLEDs with high refresh rates. So most people would obviously lean towards the monitors now
@@michael-4k4000 I would pay 3k for a 83" C3, but currently they're selling for 4k. The 77" is going for $2300, that's is a fair price for that size (77" s90 is the same price). The 83" s90c is $3500, but it doesn't have qd-oled. I believe LG processing is way ahead of Samsung.
@@DoodleDonkey45that’s true I didn’t even think of that angle but it does make sense with that size range even a 42” can be a bit big to have on your desk for a lot of setups.
I agree. QD-OLED is not available at 42", so you go for the cheapest option for gaming at your desk. C3 is discounted and is great. The alternative is LG, Alienware or Asus ROG OLED PC monitors, but restricted to 32". And much more expensive: 1400€ at best 32"), vs 900€ for C3 (42") in FR.
I totally agree. LG should have launched the C4 with the first generation MLA at least. Access to the best technology at more affordable price is key for competing in a market where QD oled and mini LED are showing off in the sub premium segment.
The thing is, they NEED to decrease prices and set the C series as lower end mini LED TVs and they also need to increase the gap to the MLA series. If the C series are too near the G series, people will go C series as a budget G series. All in all, OLED manufacturing came a long way and they can cheaply produce the standard panels, so they need to step down with the C series in size and price.
Spot on, I agree. Which in turn made me go with the Sony last year with a a80l in 83”. They don’t have mla in 83” last year. And after getting a Sony, I’m sold on their processing!
@@Icipher4 my C2 and S95B have better blacks by the most stringent of deliberate comparison lol. When I game or watch movies on particular apps ( Apple Tv+ is the best example) the QM8 NEARLY matches them.
I whole heartedly agree with this video. As a owner of a LG CX & LG C1, I just had to break up with LG and I fell absolutely completely in LOVE with my new 77 inch Samsung QD-OLED and there's NO going back now!
Speakers are terrible in Samsung TVs. They rip you off big time. I had all kinds of brand model's. Not to mention the new style of updates ruining/dimming down their TV's. And you get bent for paying a price that will be taken away. Like the paying of A.I. features of the S24 ultra by 2025. Samsung is the new apple.
I just sent my 2024 Samsung S90D back. My 2017 LG B7 OLED looks better in many ways, especially colors. So the 2024 C4 has to be alot better than QD-oled
samsungs quantum processors are really good tv processors. Yes, you pay a bit of a premium for their QLEDs even with their entry level Q60c models, but imo it's worth it.
Totally agree, even after 10+ years of manufacturing OLED panels costs should have gone down drastically but LG decided to keep niche instead of making it a product for masses. I see even 42inch OLEDs just $200 or 10% around less than 55inch OLED which is just loot for enthusiasts who wanted 4K OLED monitors for Gaming/Desktop. Samsung S90C and S95C is almost 35-40% cheaper here than C3 and G3 which says alot. On top of it LG wasnt innovating enough in terms of OLED brightness until QD-OLEDs threatened them then they came up with MLA. The C3 price range has become like high end top of the line while its performance is still 2nd or 3rd compared to competition as well as LG G3 itself. Some LG A3 series costs same as 144hz mini leds from Hisense TCL etc.
I've been an avid OLED guy since I got my 55" LG C1 a few years back. It was a lifechanging TV. I've moved apartments since then and need a 65" as the 55" inch is just a tad too small for the room. Honestly, I can't justify the cost of the LG C3 here in Canada. Budget mini-LEDs are like 75% of the way there. I can get a 75" Hisense U8K for less than it costs me to get a 65" LG C3. The Hisense still has deep blacks, and is MUCH brighter. The C3 is undoubtably the better TV still, but is it so much better that I'd spend MORE on a smaller size? No. The other issue is the fact that even in the OLED realm, LG doesn't have a huge advantage anymore. Samsung's QD-OLEDs are priced around the same and at least to me, look better. The C3 still has better dark room performance, and personally I trust LGs QC a lot more than Samsung's, but the reality is my living room isn't going to be pitch black all the time and QD-OLED performs better in bright room conditions. Where I am, the S90C is pretty much the same price as the C3.
@stopthefomo LG C4 will not even be in the top 20 tvs in 2024... 1. LG G3 2. LG G4 3. SAMSUNG S95B 4. SAMSUNG S90C 5. SAMSUNG S95C 6. SAMSUNG QN95C (can be debated, but overall a better tv imo at least) 7. SAMSUNG S90D 8. SAMSUNG S95D 9. SAMSUNG QN95D (prolly better) 10. SONY A95K 11. SONY A75L 12. SONY A80L 13. SONY A95L 14. SONY A75M (hope it will be made) 15. SONY A80M 16. SONY X95M (this years, 2024, master series tv with mini-led and better blooming control) 17. 2023 Best Panasonic OLED 18. 2024 Best Panasonic Oled 19. 2023 Best Philips Oled 20. 2024 Best Philips Oled 21. Best Hisense mini-led for 2024 22. Best TCL mini-led for 2024 So, best case scenario you rule out 1 Hisense and 1 TCL tv, 2x Samsung QN95 series C and D, and A75M might not get made. That leaves the C4 in 18. Place. Not good imo.
@@TheAntifluencer this is not a ranking of tvs. That ranking list would look totally different. This is A LIST of tvs that are objectively better than the C4 will be (if there will be no new processor or MLA in the C4). My point was, the C series was a top of the line tv series from at least 2019 (or even before that) to 2022. Then QD-OLED came. And mini-led got better. And other tvs got 4 HDMI 2.1... For the C series 2023 (and even more 2024) was a year it fell behind the competition. If the C4 will stay (almost) the same as the C3, then LG needs to lower prices. Like 20% or more.
I’ve started to notice this myself. I have an LG GX from 2020 and I’d like a new tv that’s bigger than my current 55 inch OLED and instead of looking at the LG OLEDs, now I’m eyeing the Sony QD-OLEDs
My prediction is LG are locked into nerfing the C to make G series seems better; its desperation in the face of QDOLED. Next year blue pholed should be in mass production, C5 will get MLA, the G series will get new blues and relaxed ABL/higher HDR peak nits; color volume will increase for the first time in a while and wash out will happen at much higher brightness. I still think QDOLED will win, I see them side by side and its just too noticable. For games I think LG is coasting by on pre qdoled rep, their SDR brightness is poor unless you force peak brightness back on through software.
Great video KG I tend to agree with you about this topic regarding the LG C4. This C series needs much more improvements to compete with the other OLED technology that has taken over the spotlight. I think they need more then just the G4 to stay afloat. You really nailed it on the head with your thoughts and comments. The one thing I like that they did for the G4 is give you the option of wall mounting or a stand. If I decide this year to go for a G4 I will try to get one with a stand. Or I might hold off until. 2025 for the 4000 nit version of the G4.😊
The samsung QD OLED dropping their prices is putting tons of pressure on LG. The 77 inch S89C is like 1800 bucks. Has there ever been a 77 inch OLED at such an incredible price?!
I personally never seen a deal that crazy 1,800 for a OLED TV of that size and quality is rare, I think the B series got there this year too but I never expected that from QD OLEDs
I was almost ready to buy the S89C last week but when I went to the store to compare them one more time I was put off by the burn-in that was very visible on both the QD-OLED displays. I'm concerned about how quickly that would show up. I often use my TV for static screens like playing music or games that have static elements.
I bought the LG-C3 77 inch Oled TV about a week ago at $2,299 at Costco with a 5-year warranty I feel is a great price. I returned a Samsung 8K model 850 that cost me $3,999 that had awful processing compared to the LG-C-3 4K tv. If you go to Rtings for reviews regarding Samsung 8k TV's you will notice they do not hit a overall 9 out of 10 rating for their price. If you love movies and want great processing the LG C-3 for 2023 runs rings around Samsung in general. And yes, it has Dolby Vision for movie purist. To be fair for 2024 I have read that Samsung will be working extra hard in the image processing for their 8k line. This remains to be seen when respectable reviews by Rtings might get published.
I opted to buy a mini LED TV, because LG came short on its C-Series OLED TV. To be honest, LG has dominated the market, and is taking advantage of being recognized as such. But, as many before it, when you take your place for granted, and stop innovating, you may lose your place. I love LG, but I rather see it fall in order for it to learn; than continuing to see this disregard for us - the consumers, who pay for this expensive TVs. Great video, man! Thank you for bringing this issue forward.
I think it's partly because LG Display is seriously lagging behind in panel advancement. Their EX panel remains the same for the 3rd year, and Meta panel (MLA) is way overpriced. This makes C series gradually become mediocre over the years when other panels like QD-OLED or high end miniLED starts to catch up or even surpass it. Sony A80 series are on the same boat as well.
I really don't know what they were thinking when they decided to not add MLA to the C-series this year. At this point I think the C-series is very outdated for the price.
I understand it to a degree they need a reason for people to buy the G series but that was enough I think not putting the new a11 processor on the C4 was a decision I wish they didn’t do.
Personally, the C3/4 are trying to be the Everyman offering of televisions but at a price bracket too high. I’m wondering if LG have the same faith in the C series than all their efforts they’re putting into the G series? Let’s be honest. If I was going to replace my LG CX (still a great tele for my needs), I’d have to actively consider a QD-OLED screen due to its better overall image quality. I’m also thinking about the longevity of WOLED technology. Let’s not beat about the bush here, it’s now in its 11th year of production and I’m wondering about how much more they can effectively do with the technology to at least keep up with other technologies. I’m aware that Sony will introduce Mini-LED televisions as their flagship models potentially this year, QD-OLED seems to be going from strength to strength, the the likes of Hisense and TCL developing great televisions at good prices. I’m also minded, should the technology prove to be effective, self-emissive OLED from Sharp’s R&D studio could be the spiritual heir to WOLED into the future. Interesting times, and thank you for the video.
Yo. I need your advice if possible please. Or what would be your choice. Need to decide betwen 3 TVs with price very similar price tag right now in my country. Samsung S95C 65 inch LG C4 65 inch LG B4 77 inch Not sure if size in this case ply role and better go lower quality panel but bigger or smaller with better panel. Thanks a lot for any asnwer :) Have a nice one.
One thing Sony and Samsung do right is passing the top tier features that they give at least to their flagship and runner up usually, like Sony usually gives its top processing capabilities to at least two models A95L & A80L, Samsung gives QD OLED to the S95C, S90C and S95D and S90D, LG just leaves the C series hanging every year since like the C1 imo
@@mutiger2001 The fact that several times recently you can get a 77-in S90C for 2K tells me that an 83-in QD OLED could very well be had for around 3K in a year from now, if they release one. That will probably be around half the cost of an 83-in G4.
Just ordered myself and am excited. Coming from a Vizio P-series Quantum X which… in its own right is NOT a horrible TV. I’m just hoping this C3 83” (around) 😉 will make my eyes bleed.
Yet another OLED boasting about its ability to handle high nit specular highlights, but it's still plagued by the same old issue: severe dimming whenever there's any significant brightness across the screen. Still incapable of properly displaying HDR.
LG has 10-plus years of experience in manufacturing OLED TVS! Samsung is a great TV manufacturing company as well and definitely highly respected themselves.. But let's be realistic here, Samsung literally just started manufacturing their own OLED TVS, compared to LGS 10-plus years of OLED experience! People need to keep it real and stop lying and just chill with all the fake hype..Samsung is new with making OLED TVS, so yes, i get why theirs so much hype surrounding the new panels..It's a shiny new toy and it's pretty good! Not gonna lie and it gives us consumers more options and it makes for great competition..LG gets those awards, though, because they are the OLED kings. I have never seen a better picture in my life! I've tried so many different TVS/Monitors and LG is hands down the best OLED manufacturer in the business! They don't really have to do much to their panels because they are legit already that damn good. My LG C2 and the LG C3 are absolutely incredible! Would highly recommend that people just go for an LG OLED and never look back. You definitely won't regret it! LG is the OLED king 🤴 🙌
No MLA and Heatsink on C4 is Huge problem.CX-C4 is stagnation at best.All they do are slap better procesor on it each year and call it new name. C4 dont deserve that name at all in 2024.
I think the c4 should have a heatsink like the lg g2. Bringing it up. Also the benerfit of a heatsink rTher then mla, mla has raised blacks in a room with any light. You can't unsee if and pretend it isn't there. The processor is a hit too.
The b should be the cheapest oled out just about before Chinese brands rubbish. The c defiantly heat sink make it the best it can be with mla. Then g can be mla. Even the g reflections coating should be on c. So thoes who don't like raised blacks from ambient light from mla have an option.
I was thinking about going to Mini LED TV, but then I looked up the response times online and on TH-cam by Monitors Unboxed. It turns out it's also a VA panel which is known to have worse response times because of black smearing. For gaming sake, im going TN or OLED for the best response times.
I had the CX until I upgraded to the C3 because of better picture processing, but you're right LG has a problem. The C4 is just minor upgrades and I don't see a lot of buzz about it online. They need to start evolving new oled technologies or Samsung and Sony will surpass them in sales if they haven't already.
Your thoughts on the 42’ C4 vs Samsungs W-OLED version which is apparently also W-OLED? Is there any reason you’d go with the Samsung in that comparison? It’s nice to see they are bumping the C4 to 144hz
Probably will just boil down to which user experience you prefer and the features of the TV, picture quality is likely going to be pretty similar it will be a good comparison to do for sure.
I preordered a 48" C1 back when, I was wondering if going with the C4 42/48 would be a tangible upgrade, besides the 144hz vs 120hz are there any upgrades in brightness or only the G4/ML4 will see the benefits of the new generation
I'm still using the LG CX, and it has been fantastic. There's no burn-in so far either. Only complaint is that I want it brighter. Considering getting the G4 depending on price. Was hoping micro-LED was here by now for consumer TVs.
I don't see micro-LEDs gaining steam anytime soon. For most people, mini-LED is good enough in most viewing conditions. The dimming zone counts are getting so high that you can really only find blooming when you're actively looking for it on the higher end models.
LG gave up on the C series last year dude. The current C is the old B. The current G is the old C. The current M is the old G series. you guys can also give up on it, once you realize what's going on....
I'm about as excited for the c4 as I was for the 3,2,1... minimal change but interested to see how it stacks up vs qdoled... I'm really only interested tho in a 240hz
I don’t think the S90D will have much change compared to the S90C. The thing is the C needs a change to keep up with Samsung, and unfortunately I don’t see that happening.
@trewright1482 even tho the samsungs are nicer on paper, I find something about the picture quality on my C2 much better than my S95b. It's like the Samsung is missing some clarity, maybe the processor isn't as good? Only thing that blows me away are certain colors, but mostly in game mode
@trewright1482 don't get me wrong, they both look great, it's just some minor clarity/detail that I feel looks better on the C2. The coating could also play a factor, tough to figure out what exactly
Hi there, since you are talking about a QD OLED , can you please compare Samsung S95 or 90c with the Sony A95L, just like how you did this comparison , that would be very very useful , thanks
I picked up the C4 48 inch to upgrade my Sony 900E computer monitor. This one doesn't get as bright as the 55 and above. I think it's rated between 775-800 nits which is ok. I don't need a bright image blasting me in my face while I'm working 3 feet from my screen. I wanted the 42 inch, but the 42 cost exactly the same as my 48 inch. I didn't think it made sense, especially since I have the space for it. In terms of performance, created a bunch of custom resolutions with 144hz. The TV does 120 hz native, but not 144. I had to enable 144hz boost, and create the customer resolution to see it. Is 144hz from 120hz a big deal? No, not at all, hard press to tell the difference. I also have a 166 hz LG 1440P 32 inch monitor and it's hard to tell the difference between 166 and 120hz. You have to zoom and study an edge, or focus strictly on certain movement. To be honest, 100 hz is all you need as it feels better than 60, you can tell by the motion and controls it's higher than 60. But from 100-166, you have to look for it, and if you have to look for it, it's not a big deal. In terms of my experience, I mostly use Cinema for media playback with my customization. For work, I'm using standard with the OLED light and black levels turned down to the 30s. It's still plenty of bright for work without searing my eyes. For games, it's game optimizer or cinema. Was this the TV I wanted? No, I wanted a 48 inch version of Hisense UN8, but it never came out. Is this better than my Sony 900E? Absolutely, it blows the doors off the 900E in image quality and smoothness. The Sony 900E was limited to 1080P 120 hz. Now you could do a custom resolution and maybe get 80-90 hz at 1270P. However I wanted 1440P or higher at 120hz. For the record you absolutely can tell the difference between 4K and 1440P, even on a native 1440P screen. I also prefer gloss or matt displays.
@@d.3671 No, it's mounted and I have shade so no reflection unless I open up my Windows for a cool breeze. Even so, I just do the side window which creates minimal reflections. I've had 48 and 32 inch computer monitor since 2017 so I'm use to large screens. The 32 inch is off to the side on my 2nd desk my main PC feeds into, but also my work laptop. It all works out, but I did want the 42 inch, but the price wasn't worth it.
I actually don't hate the iterative design of the c series but if you are doing this it should be to get the lower price. If the 55" launches at $1200 instead of $1800 and the 48" for $999 and the 42" for $899 then they could invigorate the oled market. I am saying such big cuts because C3 is $200-300 overpriced so a same c4 needs even more against improved models.
If LG end up putting all those goodies you mentioned in the C series they will charge us 4.000 dollars for a unit. Corporations and companies like LG are simply cutting corners here and there when it comes to their non flagship products to keep them at lower prices, but when you pay almost 2.000 dollars for a damn tv, it has to perform like a freaking spaceship without limitations 😡😡😡. Finally i ended up getting the S90C instead and everything is and looks better on the S90C, trust me on this.
New 77" S89C owner here. No way I would pay more for a WOLED. I have a 77" A80J and 42" C2, so Im not a brand snob either. Just that the S89C totally blows the other two out of the water. I prefer it to the Z9J as well. I was hoping they were going to release an 83" C4 with MLA but they didnt, so I bought the Samsung.
The movies in Samsung’s looks like shit and games in Sony’s have a high input lag. That’s why people thing is an LG is a better opinion, is an 8 in everything.
Would you pay £300 fpr the C3 or £600 for the C4? My C2 has damaged pixels and Richersounds will only offer a voucher. So unsure in which to get next for PC
Interesting. We bought a 65” c3 last winter because my daughter said the larger g3 just wasn’t our vibe. As luck would have it, we then got a 55” c3 to replace a damaged lcd tv. Both for less than a 77” g3. Picture quality is fantastic, and with a quality source, I would never know the difference between the models. I’m not ever going to tell someone what to buy or like, just sharing an experience. This was my area of expertise in a previous life, so take that for what you will. Cheers. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
This is the same conversation as iPhones being relatively the same every year. These gadgets only have minor improvements. You only see major upgrades every 5 years.
Even the samsung oled since s90A nothing has changed except for cheap built,some dent, improved the frame no Dolby vision still,the only advantage is a bit brighter than c series.
The fanaticism with which LG gamers defend LG Oleds is baffling. When I see a Sony and a LG in any side-by-side comparison, the Sony is always much clearer and detailed. It's like looking at performance and quality mode in some games. I think the MLA panel has increased detail, not only brightness, for the G series so it can hang out with Sony TVs. In some cases, the G3 may even have more detail as we've seen in comparisons which never really happened before especially against the XR clear processor. The G series is really distancing itself from the C series.
sony a95l its the best out there so sure its better but it is about $1000 more for the best. C3 vs A80l LG is better in every class but the processing and is $500 cheaper. That said I tried spider man 2 on a A80L over holidays and played it on C3 a week later and did not notice a difference. It mainly the history for LG as they hit the market first and we have had 3 gens of lg Oleds with no competition or LG being the best.
I’ll take a bigger mini LED over a smaller OLED. I have a 77” LG C1 and it’s meh for the $. I just bought the 100” Hisense U8K for $2999 and it’s amazing!
Cheapest sony oled in my country is 1200€, you can find lg c3 42 inch for 850-900€. I think it’s clear who the winner is here. Even samsung starts at 1100. Not to mention you can’t find tv’s smaller than 55 inch in sony or samsung.
I prefer the C1. Even though it’s not as bright the blacks are better than on the evo panels. It was bright enough for me to game with during the day. I wish they didn’t switch to the evo panels. Sold my c1 cause of needing money and not sure what to buy now.
I'm keeping my LG C2 42" as my PC monitor. I dont think an LG C4 42" is a good upgrade for me. 4300 hours with no burn in and counting. Display brightness set to 0 most of the time and is plenty bright for me.
The lg c3 is the best selling tv on Amazon and it is a really good tv but I had a c2 and ended up getting the g3 I really don’t see that people bought s90c so much people love lg but I understand what your saying some are reporting the c4 will go up to 1000 bits of peak brightness we shall see
Yes, I was a little disappointed, they should have at least added one of the 2 upgrades to the C4 !!!, I’m not a gamer, but something to give one the incentive to buy this over the other brand.
At this point, the only reason I consider LG C to be the best gaming TV is the fact that it's available at 42 inches. There's just nothing interesting about these TV any more, literally zero reason for me to consider an upgrade from my C2, at the very least if MLA or advanced processing are too much to ask, just bump up the refresh rate to 240hz or allow BFI
Thats a fair take I like the 42" and 48" options I think its great they offer those. 240hz would be cool. I still have my 48 C1 with 120hz BFI I really like it for certain games.
Having just bought a C3 at what i thought was a good discount i quickly began to dislike it the banding on some scenes was driving me mad, that stupid magic remote was almost thrown at the wall, then the next time i turned it on the Left side was much darker than the right so i returned it and asked for a refund. Now it sounds like the C4 is not going to be any better, time to save up for a Sony. LG needs to start looking at the competions far superior image quality. Life with an LG "C" series is not so good!
Yeah it was there I saw it at LG's private event there wasn't too much said on it but it will be slightly improved from last year I will definitely review it on this channel though, as for the CES show floor I am not sure if it was there or not that area was really crowded.
Went from a LG CX to a Samsung S90cover a C3. If they update it with the C5 I might switch back but Samsung QD Oled is only going togeg better so it would have to b a leap over that and I just don't see it.
So my daughter’s family have been watching our 2020 LG CX and when I hinted (without thinking about it) it may be the year for another tv upgrade, I was told they wanted it in their house as a replacement for their aging Sony 1080 tv . . . even if it only lasted awhile longer(11000 hrs. on it now). So, do you “really know” what LG is going to do with the C4? . . . or could they yet “pull-rabbit-out-of-a-hat” and give us an -- unexpected “surprise!” when it is released? Just asking / not a criticism.
Love my 42 C2 OLED to death but yeah the really low brightness in game mode kinda blows. Most of the time I just leave it at ISF Expert Bright which ultimately renders Game Mode useless. The only way they can convince me to go with the 55in C4 (since I’ll be turning my 42 C2 into a gaming monitor) is for Samsung’s matte finish for the S95D to completely suck.
Small increases each year are likely all that's been seen as required (as you say) LG C Series TV owners mostly love them. And likely like myself (with a CX TV) are not going to change TV after a couple of years. Sure, now I'm at the stage where an upgrade to a C3 or C4 would be lovely - but even my CX is still gets software updates & my OS Home page isn't half taken up with Adverts!
Half the screen went dim on my Samsung led, still under warranty only had it 2 years and some change, they’ll be replacing it or giving a credit. Im thinking about getting a new tv. I was thinking tcl qm8, I’m not sure about the Samsung s90c because my prior Samsung panel failed, but it’s between the 2. What do you think, is it too dim for daylight gaming and what’s the reliability like?
That means that the back light of the TV burned and that is not a very expensive fix. Worth fixing. Anyway I recommend you buying S90C, I can't guarantee it will be more reliable but you will love it. I have an LG C2 and I just love it. OLED FTW!
In a way it's LG's inability as the main mover of the OLED to come up with cheaper and bigger panels that have given a second wind to the mini-LED movement! If Hisense can finally put their many zones to good use, the U8n could very well be a monster while at Sony, they're ready to make a statement this year with their new driver and algorithm. I know many potential OLED buyers who compared the seemingly dimmer C3 with G3, checked the later's price-tag disapprovingly and went home happily with a 75" X90L! The advocates of OLEDs often forget that for most, the penchant for inky black is an acquired taste - size and price still moves the needle when the picture quality is "good enough". I believe 2024 might be the good enough year for mini-LEDs!
The LG G3 with MLA OLED is Only available in the 65 & 77” sizes, right? The 83” is Not with MLA 🤦♂️🙄🤨🤷♂️. So I could get the 83” but the better PQ option is the 77” one. (I currently have 75” Sony LED)
@@trewright1482 which isn’t out yet but ok cool thx. The G3 is $4996 (same price as the 77” Sony A85L), so I’m “assuming” the 83” G4 will be in the $5200-5800 range 🤔🤷♂️)
I feel like Sony's 80 series is on the same boat. To me it's a dim OLED hyped up by processing carrying a high price. Samsung is cleaning house on entry level OLED.
Sony will eventually have to transition into QD OLED or MLA for that range too but at the very least they are introducing new processing improvements like the XR clear feature to the A80L, and not keeping something like that reserved for just the A95L it also doesn’t hurt that they have the best image processing by far. We will have to see what improvements they bring this year though.
C series will never go down in price unless they drop the A or B series. It’s kind of dumb at this point to even buy them and they’re just there to sway people into buying the C. WOLED as a whole has been tapped out barring any significant improvements in MLA over the next two years.
LG C series is not the best gaming TV, it was the best price - value TV. But Samsung lowered the price and fixed bugs and think S90D would be the next best price -value TV.
I’m not doubting that like I mentioned in the video they have years of reputation with the C series going for them, but they are likely losing and going to lose a lot of market share to competition if we don’t see bigger innovation from them with the C series.
@@leifaregis2554 I don’t “need to sell it” I actually recommend the G3 over the S95C to a lot of people, I would make about the same if you bought an LG from the affiliate links I’m just pushing for better TVs from everyone that’s the goal here, I just feel like the C series needs to evolve.
@@NOTFOREVERYGIRLthe only people who care about the lack of Dolby vision are the brand loyalists trying to latch on excuse to not try a brand they don’t use. There’s more than enough data out to know there’s little to no difference between hdr10 and Dolby vision. Especially for the “average” consumer that uses streaming services and wouldn’t even know if they’re watching dynamic content of the tv didn’t tell them 😂😂😂
@@TechWithKG it need to cheaper and it needs to biggest to compete with 98 plus tv's. In the 🇺🇸 market u can get a 98 inch tcl or hisense at the 2,000 to 3,000 dollars price ponit. When 98 inch drops to 1,500 usd it over for oled. Most people want size over picture quality.
LG won the gamer "TV" award because it comes in a smaller size. For up in your face gaming, 32" is de facto only unseated by a 27" oled. Now display monitors are threatening that, and for me a better option than a "TV"
@TechWithKG I have the C1 48, and it's great for open world RPGs and driving games but not FP shooters or real-time strategy games. For me, there's too much turning your head to see all the action, and sitting too far disconnects me from the game. Thanks for replying
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This video is critical of the C series, but I don't want you to see it as an attack on LG or that I hate LG products. That could be further from the truth I am a fan of TVs in general. I own 2 LG OLED TVs one of them is my go to computer monitor, if your familiar with my channel you know the G3 was one of my highest rated TVs last year and I rated it as my 2nd best TV for movies. The G4 was also one of my favorite TVs I saw at CES 2024. However we can't pretend like QD-OLED isn't the same price as the C series right now. This why I wanted MLA to come to the C series just like you to bring more competition to Samsung and when the A11 was rumored I thought this could help the C4 but again I was disapointed to hear when it was announced it was just for the G series, I too felt like LG was missing the mark and that this choice was forcing people to look at setting their sites on the G4. Just want to be clear, that all I want is more competition in that mid level price range where the C series sits and my goal is just overall better products at the end of the day.
I dont think LG have any plans to put the MLA on the C4 tbh with you but maybe in the future they will. Hoping that they will also add it to the C series. They did talk about that the C4 is getting an upgrade with brightness and their A9 also getting an upgrade with 144hz support for gaming. I still see this C4 being very competitive against the S90D since it has NVIDIA G-SYNC, Dolby Vision, and a much better UI in my opinion. 2024 will be an interesting year for Televisions.
They could have at least put a low grade heatsink system to the C series. I fear eventually they will move to matte or semi gloss for the lower tiers and focus everything on the G series moving forward
fully agree with you mate. always bought the c models. but last year the difference between c3 and g3 to much. also a scam that they skipped this year one generation processing. if i know that i dont have bought the lg g3 last year. because normally only one generation up. from a9 to a10. now from a9 to a11. what do you advice me. keep my lg g3 77 inch for one year longer. and buy the lg g5 next year? is the difference big between the lg g3 and g4 ? i can exchange my lg g3 77 inch for the lg g4 77 inch. must paid 2249 euro then. what you advice me mate?
@@jantjedewaal No doubt do this if you're willing to trade money for a reasonably good HDR tone mapping & better display brightness, new video processor and game improvements, but I think you'd better skip this year and sell it to someone who'll give you good money, then ad extra 2249 Euro to get 83 "G5 or G6 😉👍
@@Sinisteroid true mate. It can be much better. New generation is micro leds. wrgb oleds is on his limit. only 100 nits more with 4k content with dynamic tonemapping on at the g4.
I bought the Samsung QN90C and returned it and bought the LG C2 and I'm much happier with the color accuracy. I didn't like the over saturated colors on the QN90C and I spent more time trying to fix the colors when watching movies. The LG C2 colors were perfect right away so I could finally enjoy watching it
I agree with KG, LG OLED prices need to come down. As much as I like OLED, I'm having a hard time justifying the prices, especially when mini-led are getting so much better.
I think another factor is that one of the most popular sizes for the c series is their smaller 48 and 42 inch sizes as people would use them as monitors. However in recent times really good OLED monitors have shown up which are even smaller and (usually) cheaper. In fact some of them are even 4K 32 inch QD OLEDs with high refresh rates. So most people would obviously lean towards the monitors now
@@michael-4k4000 I would pay 3k for a 83" C3, but currently they're selling for 4k. The 77" is going for $2300, that's is a fair price for that size (77" s90 is the same price). The 83" s90c is $3500, but it doesn't have qd-oled. I believe LG processing is way ahead of Samsung.
@@DoodleDonkey45that’s true I didn’t even think of that angle but it does make sense with that size range even a 42” can be a bit big to have on your desk for a lot of setups.
Watch a G3 and let me know the price not justified. Mine surprises me everyday!
I bought my 55 inch B6 back in 2016 for $2500. The C3 is like $1200 cheaper today
Give me QD-OLED 42". LG C-series is the cheapest OLED 4K monitor that's why is so popular. S90C 55" is bit too big for most of the people.
I agree. QD-OLED is not available at 42", so you go for the cheapest option for gaming at your desk. C3 is discounted and is great. The alternative is LG, Alienware or Asus ROG OLED PC monitors, but restricted to 32". And much more expensive: 1400€ at best 32"), vs 900€ for C3 (42") in FR.
I totally agree. LG should have launched the C4 with the first generation MLA at least. Access to the best technology at more affordable price is key for competing in a market where QD oled and mini LED are showing off in the sub premium segment.
The thing is, they NEED to decrease prices and set the C series as lower end mini LED TVs and they also need to increase the gap to the MLA series. If the C series are too near the G series, people will go C series as a budget G series. All in all, OLED manufacturing came a long way and they can cheaply produce the standard panels, so they need to step down with the C series in size and price.
Either the c4 needs to drop significantly in price or it needs to get the latest mla tech.
Thats the solution.
Spot on, I agree. Which in turn made me go with the Sony last year with a a80l in 83”. They don’t have mla in 83” last year. And after getting a Sony, I’m sold on their processing!
I bought an 85-inch TCL QM8 for about $1900 after tax. I had a C2 back when and I'm MORE impressed by the QM8 than I was by the C2
What's your honest opinion as far as black levels when compared to the C2?
@@Icipher4 my C2 and S95B have better blacks by the most stringent of deliberate comparison lol. When I game or watch movies on particular apps ( Apple Tv+ is the best example) the QM8 NEARLY matches them.
TLC trash@@Icipher4
I whole heartedly agree with this video. As a owner of a LG CX & LG C1, I just had to break up with LG and I fell absolutely completely in LOVE with my new 77 inch Samsung QD-OLED and there's NO going back now!
Same for me….
No dolby vision, no DTS upscaling lqc is not good on the Samsungs. Deal breakers for me.
Speakers are terrible in Samsung TVs. They rip you off big time. I had all kinds of brand model's. Not to mention the new style of updates ruining/dimming down their TV's. And you get bent for paying a price that will be taken away. Like the paying of A.I. features of the S24 ultra by 2025. Samsung is the new apple.
@@Mech-730 That's not true the latest ones have pretty decent speakers.
I just sent my 2024 Samsung S90D back. My 2017 LG B7 OLED looks better in many ways, especially colors. So the 2024 C4 has to be alot better than QD-oled
samsungs quantum processors are really good tv processors. Yes, you pay a bit of a premium for their QLEDs even with their entry level Q60c models, but imo it's worth it.
Sony has best tv processors
Totally agree, even after 10+ years of manufacturing OLED panels costs should have gone down drastically but LG decided to keep niche instead of making it a product for masses.
I see even 42inch OLEDs just $200 or 10% around less than 55inch OLED which is just loot for enthusiasts who wanted 4K OLED monitors for Gaming/Desktop.
Samsung S90C and S95C is almost 35-40% cheaper here than C3 and G3 which says alot.
On top of it LG wasnt innovating enough in terms of OLED brightness until QD-OLEDs threatened them then they came up with MLA.
The C3 price range has become like high end top of the line while its performance is still 2nd or 3rd compared to competition as well as LG G3 itself.
Some LG A3 series costs same as 144hz mini leds from Hisense TCL etc.
I've been an avid OLED guy since I got my 55" LG C1 a few years back. It was a lifechanging TV.
I've moved apartments since then and need a 65" as the 55" inch is just a tad too small for the room. Honestly, I can't justify the cost of the LG C3 here in Canada. Budget mini-LEDs are like 75% of the way there. I can get a 75" Hisense U8K for less than it costs me to get a 65" LG C3. The Hisense still has deep blacks, and is MUCH brighter. The C3 is undoubtably the better TV still, but is it so much better that I'd spend MORE on a smaller size? No.
The other issue is the fact that even in the OLED realm, LG doesn't have a huge advantage anymore. Samsung's QD-OLEDs are priced around the same and at least to me, look better. The C3 still has better dark room performance, and personally I trust LGs QC a lot more than Samsung's, but the reality is my living room isn't going to be pitch black all the time and QD-OLED performs better in bright room conditions. Where I am, the S90C is pretty much the same price as the C3.
Without the new AI processing exclusive to the G4, it falls behind the 2023 A80L!
I really think the C3 is behind the S90C. I would buy a C3 over an A80L. The Sony Tax I can’t justify
@stopthefomo LG C4 will not even be in the top 20 tvs in 2024...
1. LG G3
2. LG G4
3. SAMSUNG S95B
4. SAMSUNG S90C
5. SAMSUNG S95C
6. SAMSUNG QN95C (can be debated, but overall a better tv imo at least)
7. SAMSUNG S90D
8. SAMSUNG S95D
9. SAMSUNG QN95D (prolly better)
10. SONY A95K
11. SONY A75L
12. SONY A80L
13. SONY A95L
14. SONY A75M (hope it will be made)
15. SONY A80M
16. SONY X95M (this years, 2024, master series tv with mini-led and better blooming control)
17. 2023 Best Panasonic OLED
18. 2024 Best Panasonic Oled
19. 2023 Best Philips Oled
20. 2024 Best Philips Oled
21. Best Hisense mini-led for 2024
22. Best TCL mini-led for 2024
So, best case scenario you rule out 1 Hisense and 1 TCL tv, 2x Samsung QN95 series C and D, and A75M might not get made.
That leaves the C4 in 18. Place. Not good imo.
@@trewright1482 hmm, I would check out Classy's video on the C3 and A80 and my comments.
Yeah it’s looking that way unfortunately
@@TheAntifluencer this is not a ranking of tvs. That ranking list would look totally different.
This is A LIST of tvs that are objectively better than the C4 will be (if there will be no new processor or MLA in the C4).
My point was, the C series was a top of the line tv series from at least 2019 (or even before that) to 2022. Then QD-OLED came. And mini-led got better. And other tvs got 4 HDMI 2.1...
For the C series 2023 (and even more 2024) was a year it fell behind the competition.
If the C4 will stay (almost) the same as the C3, then LG needs to lower prices. Like 20% or more.
The B series and C series shouldn't exist together imo. Pick one and lower the prices
Exactly how many diff versions of OLEDs do we really need, only to muddy the waters more.
I agree
Hey KG, your videos get better and better. Thank you for this 🤗
I’ve started to notice this myself. I have an LG GX from 2020 and I’d like a new tv that’s bigger than my current 55 inch OLED and instead of looking at the LG OLEDs, now I’m eyeing the Sony QD-OLEDs
If you have money for Sony you might also consider G4
My prediction is LG are locked into nerfing the C to make G series seems better; its desperation in the face of QDOLED. Next year blue pholed should be in mass production, C5 will get MLA, the G series will get new blues and relaxed ABL/higher HDR peak nits; color volume will increase for the first time in a while and wash out will happen at much higher brightness.
I still think QDOLED will win, I see them side by side and its just too noticable. For games I think LG is coasting by on pre qdoled rep, their SDR brightness is poor unless you force peak brightness back on through software.
Great video KG I tend to agree with you about this topic regarding the LG C4. This C series needs much more improvements to compete with the other OLED technology that has taken over the spotlight. I think they need more then just the G4 to stay afloat. You really nailed it on the head with your thoughts and comments. The one thing I like that they did for the G4 is give you the option of wall mounting or a stand. If I decide this year to go for a G4 I will try to get one with a stand. Or I might hold off until. 2025 for the 4000 nit version of the G4.😊
😅 waiting 5000,6000,7000,8000,9000,10000😂 ...........
The samsung QD OLED dropping their prices is putting tons of pressure on LG. The 77 inch S89C is like 1800 bucks. Has there ever been a 77 inch OLED at such an incredible price?!
I personally never seen a deal that crazy 1,800 for a OLED TV of that size and quality is rare, I think the B series got there this year too but I never expected that from QD OLEDs
I was almost ready to buy the S89C last week but when I went to the store to compare them one more time I was put off by the burn-in that was very visible on both the QD-OLED displays. I'm concerned about how quickly that would show up. I often use my TV for static screens like playing music or games that have static elements.
I bought the LG-C3 77 inch Oled TV about a week ago at $2,299 at Costco with a 5-year warranty I feel is a great price. I returned a Samsung 8K model 850 that cost me $3,999 that had awful processing compared to the LG-C-3 4K tv. If you go to Rtings for reviews regarding Samsung 8k TV's you will notice they do not hit a overall 9 out of 10 rating for their price. If you love movies and want great processing the LG C-3 for 2023 runs rings around Samsung in general. And yes, it has Dolby Vision for movie purist. To be fair for 2024 I have read that Samsung will be working extra hard in the image processing for their 8k line. This remains to be seen when respectable reviews by Rtings might get published.
I picked up the 77 c3 last year and I couldn't be happier ...bright enough ...great colors and processing
If you had seen the S90C and S95C up close, you would definitely not buy the c3, my friend. You should be careful with c3, it may damage your eyes :)
I opted to buy a mini LED TV, because LG came short on its C-Series OLED TV.
To be honest, LG has dominated the market, and is taking advantage of being recognized as such.
But, as many before it, when you take your place for granted, and stop innovating, you may lose your place.
I love LG, but I rather see it fall in order for it to learn; than continuing to see this disregard for us - the consumers, who pay for this expensive TVs.
Great video, man!
Thank you for bringing this issue forward.
Reliability is a thing too. I’ve seen the Samsung reddit with way more issues than I’d feel comfortable with if I spent that much on a tv.
I think it's partly because LG Display is seriously lagging behind in panel advancement. Their EX panel remains the same for the 3rd year, and Meta panel (MLA) is way overpriced. This makes C series gradually become mediocre over the years when other panels like QD-OLED or high end miniLED starts to catch up or even surpass it. Sony A80 series are on the same boat as well.
I was going to go C4, now I’m going G. But where I can tell you LG surpasses every other brand is in customer service and product Support.
I really don't know what they were thinking when they decided to not add MLA to the C-series this year. At this point I think the C-series is very outdated for the price.
I understand it to a degree they need a reason for people to buy the G series but that was enough I think not putting the new a11 processor on the C4 was a decision I wish they didn’t do.
Personally, the C3/4 are trying to be the Everyman offering of televisions but at a price bracket too high. I’m wondering if LG have the same faith in the C series than all their efforts they’re putting into the G series?
Let’s be honest. If I was going to replace my LG CX (still a great tele for my needs), I’d have to actively consider a QD-OLED screen due to its better overall image quality.
I’m also thinking about the longevity of WOLED technology. Let’s not beat about the bush here, it’s now in its 11th year of production and I’m wondering about how much more they can effectively do with the technology to at least keep up with other technologies. I’m aware that Sony will introduce Mini-LED televisions as their flagship models potentially this year, QD-OLED seems to be going from strength to strength, the the likes of Hisense and TCL developing great televisions at good prices. I’m also minded, should the technology prove to be effective, self-emissive OLED from Sharp’s R&D studio could be the spiritual heir to WOLED into the future.
Interesting times, and thank you for the video.
SDR gaming needs to do more on the LG C4
It needs to just unlock the peak brightness setting and it be fine that goes for all the models.
@@TechWithKG That is what I been waiting for. Its puzzling at this point and you would think they would push an update to allow it in 2024
@@TechWithKG Has anybody asked LG reps why LG electronics 🔒 lock peak brightness during SDR gaming?
LG C3s are the same price as Samsungs S90C. There is absolutely no comparison… Samsung blows them away. FYI… I have 3 LG Oleds on my house as well.
In both processing & display? It seems that Samsung's processing lags compared to LG.
@@jgriffin411 I use the Apple TV 4K…
Not where i live. Samsung starts at 1100€ while lg c3 can be found for as low as 850€
Yo.
I need your advice if possible please.
Or what would be your choice.
Need to decide betwen 3 TVs with price very similar price tag right now in my country.
Samsung S95C 65 inch
LG C4 65 inch
LG B4 77 inch
Not sure if size in this case ply role and better go lower quality panel but bigger or smaller with better panel.
Thanks a lot for any asnwer :) Have a nice one.
One thing Sony and Samsung do right is passing the top tier features that they give at least to their flagship and runner up usually, like Sony usually gives its top processing capabilities to at least two models A95L & A80L, Samsung gives QD OLED to the S95C, S90C and S95D and S90D, LG just leaves the C series hanging every year since like the C1 imo
The G4 is going to be awsome
Awesomely expensive. If Samsung puts out an 83 QD OLED for half the price It's going to make the G4 look dumb.
@@Icipher4 right 👍👍
@@Icipher4 The G4 is premium tv, so if YOU canst afford it; buy hisense U8N
yes if your competition puts out a comparable spec TV at half the price you will look like a fool. Thing is this is not going to happen. @@Icipher4
@@mutiger2001 The fact that several times recently you can get a 77-in S90C for 2K tells me that an 83-in QD OLED could very well be had for around 3K in a year from now, if they release one. That will probably be around half the cost of an 83-in G4.
Still have my CX and up to now still good looking tv and picture quality no issues, thinking to get G4 but is just hard to replace the CX.
I recently purchased the C3 83" replaced a Samsung Q80r 75" and i couldn't be happier this is an amazing t.v! And plenty bright for movies and gaming.
Just ordered myself and am excited. Coming from a Vizio P-series Quantum X which… in its own right is NOT a horrible TV. I’m just hoping this C3 83” (around) 😉 will make my eyes bleed.
Yet another OLED boasting about its ability to handle high nit specular highlights, but it's still plagued by the same old issue: severe dimming whenever there's any significant brightness across the screen. Still incapable of properly displaying HDR.
LG has 10-plus years of experience in manufacturing OLED TVS! Samsung is a great TV manufacturing company as well and definitely highly respected themselves.. But let's be realistic here, Samsung literally just started manufacturing their own OLED TVS, compared to LGS 10-plus years of OLED experience! People need to keep it real and stop lying and just chill with all the fake hype..Samsung is new with making OLED TVS, so yes, i get why theirs so much hype surrounding the new panels..It's a shiny new toy and it's pretty good! Not gonna lie and it gives us consumers more options and it makes for great competition..LG gets those awards, though, because they are the OLED kings. I have never seen a better picture in my life! I've tried so many different TVS/Monitors and LG is hands down the best OLED manufacturer in the business! They don't really have to do much to their panels because they are legit already that damn good. My LG C2 and the LG C3 are absolutely incredible! Would highly recommend that people just go for an LG OLED and never look back. You definitely won't regret it! LG is the OLED king 🤴 🙌
No MLA and Heatsink on C4 is Huge problem.CX-C4 is stagnation at best.All they do are slap better procesor on it each year and call it new name. C4 dont deserve that name at all in 2024.
And yet the prices for the C-line is in the premium range.
Unfortunately, they cant drop the prices a lot, because they would simply lose money. OLEDs are not easy to produce, as of right now, at least.
I think the c4 should have a heatsink like the lg g2. Bringing it up. Also the benerfit of a heatsink rTher then mla, mla has raised blacks in a room with any light. You can't unsee if and pretend it isn't there. The processor is a hit too.
B is stock oled. C should be heatsink 30% brighter. With g mla 70% brighter. And brings the c2 price down to match the 90c series.
Then the b series can compete with the sub 90c. Or 89c if they call it that.
The b should be the cheapest oled out just about before Chinese brands rubbish. The c defiantly heat sink make it the best it can be with mla. Then g can be mla. Even the g reflections coating should be on c. So thoes who don't like raised blacks from ambient light from mla have an option.
I got the 48" C3 for $980, upgrading from the C1. Very nice upgrade. Fight me!
I agree the Lg G series has taken over the brand to the detriment of the C series not getting any major changes.
I was thinking about going to Mini LED TV, but then I looked up the response times online and on TH-cam by Monitors Unboxed. It turns out it's also a VA panel which is known to have worse response times because of black smearing. For gaming sake, im going TN or OLED for the best response times.
Nobody’s doing TN panels nowadays, go with ips or oled
I had the CX until I upgraded to the C3 because of better picture processing, but you're right LG has a problem. The C4 is just minor upgrades and I don't see a lot of buzz about it online. They need to start evolving new oled technologies or Samsung and Sony will surpass them in sales if they haven't already.
Your thoughts on the 42’ C4 vs Samsungs W-OLED version which is apparently also W-OLED? Is there any reason you’d go with the Samsung in that comparison? It’s nice to see they are bumping the C4 to 144hz
Probably will just boil down to which user experience you prefer and the features of the TV, picture quality is likely going to be pretty similar it will be a good comparison to do for sure.
I preordered a 48" C1 back when, I was wondering if going with the C4 42/48 would be a tangible upgrade, besides the 144hz vs 120hz are there any upgrades in brightness or only the G4/ML4 will see the benefits of the new generation
If LG made a 38inch OLED MLA fast response 144hz or more television it would sell more than Coca Cola on promotion days
I'm still using the LG CX, and it has been fantastic. There's no burn-in so far either. Only complaint is that I want it brighter. Considering getting the G4 depending on price. Was hoping micro-LED was here by now for consumer TVs.
I don't see micro-LEDs gaining steam anytime soon. For most people, mini-LED is good enough in most viewing conditions. The dimming zone counts are getting so high that you can really only find blooming when you're actively looking for it on the higher end models.
Man , Micro led is the future that will never come , Unfortunately
@@LEMON48 Sony had a demo micro-LED(Crystal LED) about 10 years ago. If only they stuck with it.
@@Searching4Reason yeah , akways if but sad true is , this tech is so dificult to mass product and meybe in 15 years become cheap
Micro led is years away from mainstream public, you can get one today but you have to be a millionaire. Seen one on Best Buy this week for $150K.
LG gave up on the C series last year dude.
The current C is the old B.
The current G is the old C.
The current M is the old G series.
you guys can also give up on it, once you realize what's going on....
Got my c3 48 for 900 euros yesterday that price was good but at full price nah
I'm about as excited for the c4 as I was for the 3,2,1... minimal change but interested to see how it stacks up vs qdoled... I'm really only interested tho in a 240hz
I don’t think the S90D will have much change compared to the S90C. The thing is the C needs a change to keep up with Samsung, and unfortunately I don’t see that happening.
@trewright1482 even tho the samsungs are nicer on paper, I find something about the picture quality on my C2 much better than my S95b. It's like the Samsung is missing some clarity, maybe the processor isn't as good? Only thing that blows me away are certain colors, but mostly in game mode
@@SKLLZTHATKILLZI can’t talk to the S95B, but my S89C is gorgeous. Maybe they fixed this problem with the C versions.
@trewright1482 don't get me wrong, they both look great, it's just some minor clarity/detail that I feel looks better on the C2. The coating could also play a factor, tough to figure out what exactly
Hi there, since you are talking about a QD OLED , can you please compare Samsung S95 or 90c with the Sony A95L, just like how you did this comparison , that would be very very useful , thanks
I picked up the C4 48 inch to upgrade my Sony 900E computer monitor. This one doesn't get as bright as the 55 and above. I think it's rated between 775-800 nits which is ok. I don't need a bright image blasting me in my face while I'm working 3 feet from my screen. I wanted the 42 inch, but the 42 cost exactly the same as my 48 inch. I didn't think it made sense, especially since I have the space for it. In terms of performance, created a bunch of custom resolutions with 144hz. The TV does 120 hz native, but not 144. I had to enable 144hz boost, and create the customer resolution to see it. Is 144hz from 120hz a big deal? No, not at all, hard press to tell the difference. I also have a 166 hz LG 1440P 32 inch monitor and it's hard to tell the difference between 166 and 120hz. You have to zoom and study an edge, or focus strictly on certain movement. To be honest, 100 hz is all you need as it feels better than 60, you can tell by the motion and controls it's higher than 60. But from 100-166, you have to look for it, and if you have to look for it, it's not a big deal.
In terms of my experience, I mostly use Cinema for media playback with my customization. For work, I'm using standard with the OLED light and black levels turned down to the 30s. It's still plenty of bright for work without searing my eyes. For games, it's game optimizer or cinema. Was this the TV I wanted? No, I wanted a 48 inch version of Hisense UN8, but it never came out. Is this better than my Sony 900E? Absolutely, it blows the doors off the 900E in image quality and smoothness. The Sony 900E was limited to 1080P 120 hz. Now you could do a custom resolution and maybe get 80-90 hz at 1270P. However I wanted 1440P or higher at 120hz. For the record you absolutely can tell the difference between 4K and 1440P, even on a native 1440P screen. I also prefer gloss or matt displays.
Hi, isn't 48" too big for a desk set up ? And the glossy screen reflections not too distracting ?
@@d.3671 No, it's mounted and I have shade so no reflection unless I open up my Windows for a cool breeze. Even so, I just do the side window which creates minimal reflections. I've had 48 and 32 inch computer monitor since 2017 so I'm use to large screens. The 32 inch is off to the side on my 2nd desk my main PC feeds into, but also my work laptop. It all works out, but I did want the 42 inch, but the price wasn't worth it.
i was looking into gettin a a C4 to replace my aging C9 but im gona pull the trigger on a G4 instead
I actually don't hate the iterative design of the c series but if you are doing this it should be to get the lower price. If the 55" launches at $1200 instead of $1800 and the 48" for $999 and the 42" for $899 then they could invigorate the oled market. I am saying such big cuts because C3 is $200-300 overpriced so a same c4 needs even more against improved models.
Really think launching at a lower price point would be the move for the LG C4
If LG end up putting all those goodies you mentioned in the C series they will charge us 4.000 dollars for a unit. Corporations and companies like LG are simply cutting corners here and there when it comes to their non flagship products to keep them at lower prices, but when you pay almost 2.000 dollars for a damn tv, it has to perform like a freaking spaceship without limitations 😡😡😡. Finally i ended up getting the S90C instead and everything is and looks better on the S90C, trust me on this.
Dolby vision 😂 ???😮
@@mp792 It don't matter friend. HDR10+ has become much better that Dolby Vision. Dolby vision is better only in papers 🗞️.
New 77" S89C owner here. No way I would pay more for a WOLED. I have a 77" A80J and 42" C2, so Im not a brand snob either. Just that the S89C totally blows the other two out of the water. I prefer it to the Z9J as well. I was hoping they were going to release an 83" C4 with MLA but they didnt, so I bought the Samsung.
The movies in Samsung’s looks like shit and games in Sony’s have a high input lag. That’s why people thing is an LG is a better opinion, is an 8 in everything.
The movies on Samsung look magical and alive lg looks dead! What were you looking at
Would you pay £300 fpr the C3 or £600 for the C4?
My C2 has damaged pixels and Richersounds will only offer a voucher. So unsure in which to get next for PC
Interesting. We bought a 65” c3 last winter because my daughter said the larger g3 just wasn’t our vibe. As luck would have it, we then got a 55” c3 to replace a damaged lcd tv. Both for less than a 77” g3. Picture quality is fantastic, and with a quality source, I would never know the difference between the models. I’m not ever going to tell someone what to buy or like, just sharing an experience. This was my area of expertise in a previous life, so take that for what you will. Cheers. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
This is the same conversation as iPhones being relatively the same every year. These gadgets only have minor improvements. You only see major upgrades every 5 years.
Even the samsung oled since s90A nothing has changed except for cheap built,some dent, improved the frame no Dolby vision still,the only advantage is a bit brighter than c series.
True cheap built that is why is cheaper price down easily.
The fanaticism with which LG gamers defend LG Oleds is baffling. When I see a Sony and a LG in any side-by-side comparison, the Sony is always much clearer and detailed. It's like looking at performance and quality mode in some games.
I think the MLA panel has increased detail, not only brightness, for the G series so it can hang out with Sony TVs. In some cases, the G3 may even have more detail as we've seen in comparisons which never really happened before especially against the XR clear processor.
The G series is really distancing itself from the C series.
sony a95l its the best out there so sure its better but it is about $1000 more for the best. C3 vs A80l LG is better in every class but the processing and is $500 cheaper. That said I tried spider man 2 on a A80L over holidays and played it on C3 a week later and did not notice a difference. It mainly the history for LG as they hit the market first and we have had 3 gens of lg Oleds with no competition or LG being the best.
I’ll take a bigger mini LED over a smaller OLED. I have a 77” LG C1 and it’s meh for the $. I just bought the 100” Hisense U8K for $2999 and it’s amazing!
The fact that 100" TVs of that quality have gotten to that price point is still pretty crazy to me. Thats a nice TV grats on that one!
Agree with all u said
Cheapest sony oled in my country is 1200€, you can find lg c3 42 inch for 850-900€. I think it’s clear who the winner is here. Even samsung starts at 1100. Not to mention you can’t find tv’s smaller than 55 inch in sony or samsung.
I prefer the C1. Even though it’s not as bright the blacks are better than on the evo panels. It was bright enough for me to game with during the day. I wish they didn’t switch to the evo panels. Sold my c1 cause of needing money and not sure what to buy now.
120hz vs 144hz is NOT A big difference
I'm keeping my LG C2 42" as my PC monitor. I dont think an LG C4 42" is a good upgrade for me. 4300 hours with no burn in and counting. Display brightness set to 0 most of the time and is plenty bright for me.
The lg c3 is the best selling tv on Amazon and it is a really good tv but I had a c2 and ended up getting the g3
I really don’t see that people bought s90c so much people love lg but I understand what your saying some are reporting the c4 will go up to 1000 bits of peak brightness we shall see
If you had seen the S90C and S95C up close, you would definitely not buy the G3, my friend. You should be careful with G4, it may damage your eyes :)
Bought a c3 lg oled for nearly half the recommended price.
At this price it is a good tv at a great price.
👍
Its definitely a great TV no doubt
If you had seen the S90C and S95C up close, you would definitely not buy the c3, my friend. You should be careful with c3, it may damage your eyes :)
Yes, I was a little disappointed, they should have at least added one of the 2 upgrades to the C4 !!!, I’m not a gamer, but something to give one the incentive to buy this over the other brand.
At this point, the only reason I consider LG C to be the best gaming TV is the fact that it's available at 42 inches. There's just nothing interesting about these TV any more, literally zero reason for me to consider an upgrade from my C2, at the very least if MLA or advanced processing are too much to ask, just bump up the refresh rate to 240hz or allow BFI
Thats a fair take I like the 42" and 48" options I think its great they offer those. 240hz would be cool. I still have my 48 C1 with 120hz BFI I really like it for certain games.
Having just bought a C3 at what i thought was a good discount i quickly began to dislike it
the banding on some scenes was driving me mad, that stupid magic remote was almost
thrown at the wall, then the next time i turned it on the Left side was much darker than the right
so i returned it and asked for a refund.
Now it sounds like the C4 is not going to be any better, time to save up for a Sony.
LG needs to start looking at the competions far superior image quality.
Life with an LG "C" series is not so good!
Their is Big compilation SAMSUNG with Qd- OLED. It's awesome in colors and details, however gaming is next level upgraded, 👌
Waitin on the G4
but samsung does not have dolby version
How are LG tv's as far as longevity? I bought one when 3d came out and loved it for the brief period it worked.
I had an LG smart TV for 10 years. I had to change it because it was morally depreciated but still was working fine.
I have a C9 and C1. The C9 is from 2019 and I've had no issues whatsoever.
Was the C4 shown at CES this year?
Yeah it was there I saw it at LG's private event there wasn't too much said on it but it will be slightly improved from last year I will definitely review it on this channel though, as for the CES show floor I am not sure if it was there or not that area was really crowded.
When will Samsung release their new 42 inch oled?
Sadly their oled will stick to 55”+
Went from a LG CX to a Samsung S90cover a C3. If they update it with the C5 I might switch back but Samsung QD Oled is only going togeg better so it would have to b a leap over that and I just don't see it.
So my daughter’s family have been watching our 2020 LG CX and when I hinted (without thinking about it) it may be the year for another tv upgrade, I was told they wanted it in their house as a replacement for their aging Sony 1080 tv . . . even if it only lasted awhile longer(11000 hrs. on it now). So, do you “really know” what LG is going to do with the C4? . . . or could they yet “pull-rabbit-out-of-a-hat” and give us an -- unexpected “surprise!” when it is released? Just asking / not a criticism.
As of right now the C4 is basically going to be the same as the C3. There are better Oleds out there like the S90C.
Love my 42 C2 OLED to death but yeah the really low brightness in game mode kinda blows. Most of the time I just leave it at ISF Expert Bright which ultimately renders Game Mode useless.
The only way they can convince me to go with the 55in C4 (since I’ll be turning my 42 C2 into a gaming monitor) is for Samsung’s matte finish for the S95D to completely suck.
Small increases each year are likely all that's been seen as required (as you say) LG C Series TV owners mostly love them. And likely like myself (with a CX TV) are not going to change TV after a couple of years. Sure, now I'm at the stage where an upgrade to a C3 or C4 would be lovely - but even my CX is still gets software updates & my OS Home page isn't half taken up with Adverts!
CX 77 Tooooo😂
That's great and all but samsung s90c doesn't have smaller tvs
Also diminishing return. I still have lg cx 55 inch. Lg c3 42 inch. I see a lik difference but not enough to jump ship
Half the screen went dim on my Samsung led, still under warranty only had it 2 years and some change, they’ll be replacing it or giving a credit. Im thinking about getting a new tv. I was thinking tcl qm8, I’m not sure about the Samsung s90c because my prior Samsung panel failed, but it’s between the 2. What do you think, is it too dim for daylight gaming and what’s the reliability like?
How bright is your room when you say “daylight gaming”
That means that the back light of the TV burned and that is not a very expensive fix. Worth fixing.
Anyway I recommend you buying S90C, I can't guarantee it will be more reliable but you will love it.
I have an LG C2 and I just love it.
OLED FTW!
In a way it's LG's inability as the main mover of the OLED to come up with cheaper and bigger panels that have given a second wind to the mini-LED movement! If Hisense can finally put their many zones to good use, the U8n could very well be a monster while at Sony, they're ready to make a statement this year with their new driver and algorithm. I know many potential OLED buyers who compared the seemingly dimmer C3 with G3, checked the later's price-tag disapprovingly and went home happily with a 75" X90L! The advocates of OLEDs often forget that for most, the penchant for inky black is an acquired taste - size and price still moves the needle when the picture quality is "good enough". I believe 2024 might be the good enough year for mini-LEDs!
The LG G3 with MLA OLED is Only available in the 65 & 77” sizes, right? The 83” is Not with MLA 🤦♂️🙄🤨🤷♂️. So I could get the 83” but the better PQ option is the 77” one. (I currently have 75” Sony LED)
The G4 at 83inch will have MLA.
@@trewright1482 which isn’t out yet but ok cool thx. The G3 is $4996 (same price as the 77” Sony A85L), so I’m “assuming” the 83” G4 will be in the $5200-5800 range 🤔🤷♂️)
I feel like Sony's 80 series is on the same boat. To me it's a dim OLED hyped up by processing carrying a high price. Samsung is cleaning house on entry level OLED.
Sony will eventually have to transition into QD OLED or MLA for that range too but at the very least they are introducing new processing improvements like the XR clear feature to the A80L, and not keeping something like that reserved for just the A95L it also doesn’t hurt that they have the best image processing by far. We will have to see what improvements they bring this year though.
C series will never go down in price unless they drop the A or B series. It’s kind of dumb at this point to even buy them and they’re just there to sway people into buying the C. WOLED as a whole has been tapped out barring any significant improvements in MLA over the next two years.
The LG C3 is a dang good TV. I own it and I’ve owned the S90C. I prefer the C3 as the best overall user experience
Why is that?
@@mootsymcopium
If lg brought back 3d to oled it would be huge. My 2016 3d oled still looks better than my g3 when watching 3d
I have the lg c2 48inch . It's a good tv but I thank it lacks in alot of areas
LG C series is not the best gaming TV, it was the best price - value TV.
But Samsung lowered the price and fixed bugs and think S90D would be the next best price -value TV.
Right on
Any idea why my 65in C1 turns off after 30sec? The screen looks fine but it just keeps turning off 😠
That might be a hardware problem. Call an electronics master.
It doesn’t make business sense for them to lower the price when the C3 was still their #1 seller last year
KG is a big fan samsung oled he really need to sell it although no dolby vision still since A series.
I’m not doubting that like I mentioned in the video they have years of reputation with the C series going for them, but they are likely losing and going to lose a lot of market share to competition if we don’t see bigger innovation from them with the C series.
@@leifaregis2554 I don’t “need to sell it” I actually recommend the G3 over the S95C to a lot of people, I would make about the same if you bought an LG from the affiliate links
I’m just pushing for better TVs from everyone that’s the goal here, I just feel like the C series needs to evolve.
@@NOTFOREVERYGIRLthe only people who care about the lack of Dolby vision are the brand loyalists trying to latch on excuse to not try a brand they don’t use. There’s more than enough data out to know there’s little to no difference between hdr10 and Dolby vision. Especially for the “average” consumer that uses streaming services and wouldn’t even know if they’re watching dynamic content of the tv didn’t tell them 😂😂😂
@@TechWithKG it need to cheaper and it needs to biggest to compete with 98 plus tv's. In the 🇺🇸 market u can get a 98 inch tcl or hisense at the 2,000 to 3,000 dollars price ponit. When 98 inch drops to 1,500 usd it over for oled. Most people want size over picture quality.
I bought the lg g2 loved it then 6 months later I saw the s95c
And cried
I like the LG web IOS - price is madness
LG won the gamer "TV" award because it comes in a smaller size. For up in your face gaming, 32" is de facto only unseated by a 27" oled. Now display monitors are threatening that, and for me a better option than a "TV"
I really think they do have the best 42" and 48" options so I understand this take.
@TechWithKG I have the C1 48, and it's great for open world RPGs and driving games but not FP shooters or real-time strategy games. For me, there's too much turning your head to see all the action, and sitting too far disconnects me from the game. Thanks for replying
LG could of at least used the same processor as the G4 or lower the price?
Thanks