I connected my 55" Samsung with a long HDMI to play something with a Steam controller on the couch. Next day TV was on my desk :D Never going back to small monitors. The best thing is you can also make some custom resolutions in nvidia drivers to create whatever custom resolution you want for playing FPS games for an example, ultrawide 21:9 3440:1440
I’ve been using my 9 year old vizio tv I got in college as a monitor ever since then (due to dorm space limitations). Using it with what was my first desktop PC, I don’t know how I could ever switch to a smaller monitor. Only use case I see for that is laptops and tablets. The Vizio finally crapped out recently, and I switched to one of the 43in Samsung frame tvs. Loving it so far, even though this tv seems to get a lot of hate from people really into TVs. I think 43in is the perfect tradeoff between screen size and pixel density, before going up to 8k, of course. Multi-monitor setups just feel disjointed and hacky.
@@campar1043 Depends on the TV you have. If your TV can do 144 Hz at 3440x1440 then you can create any custom resolutions that are lower and will have 144Hz...Nvidia drivers have this function, super easy to create whatever you need, the rest of the screen is black. My Samsung has freesync and game mode 120Hz. But it's 120 Hz only up to 2560x1440, 7 year old TV. Once 5080 is available I will be changing to 65" with 3440x1440 supporting 120Hz. They are affordable for my budget at the moment, but I would need something better than 3080, so it's going to cascade into change of MOBO, memory and CPU too. This is why in my case it makes sense when prices of PC components are lowest during each year = July/August. AMD 9800X3D will be out and RTX5080 will be out also both will be cheaper...
same here 50 inch Sony 120hz HDMI port , watching movies or listening music without switching on PC, I paired it with my stereo with small sub , perfect now
I met this guys once at a wedding and he let me shoot for a few minutes with his brand new full frame DSLR... super cool guy.. glad to see fstoppers is still crushing it... be blessed bro
I’ve been rocking the LG C2 42 for over a year now and there ain’t no going back to monitors for now. Value is hard to beat. If you know how to hack it and turn off all the “TV” friendly features, it’s fantastic.
I've been using a C2 as well. Though a 55in, so I actually set up a small desk in front of the TV when I want to use my PC. Not very convenient but it works. I'd prefer to have a monitor for my PC. But I don't want a display that looks worse that my TV, and monitors of that caliber feel way overpriced. A 32in 4K OLED 240hz monitor costs more than my 55in 4K OLED 120hz TV. I'd like one of those monitors but the price is too high to justify.
LEE, possible dock fix for you... Settings > Desktop & Dock > UNCHECK minimize windows into application icon. Your multiple instances will show up on the right side of the dock.
I've been using large TVs as monitors for many, many years now, and none have been as comfortable as my 2017 Samsung 55" curved 4K. The small curve keeps the corners in focus, and they are the very first thing I noticed when I bought a flat TV a few years later. I tried sizes ranging from 40" to 75" and the sweet spot really is 55" for eye comfort and productivity. I still use that old Samsung as my "work from home" display since I can stare at code for 8+ hours without any eye strain, but my other two PCs run LG OLEDs, which I think look amazing and I run them very bright, but that gets exhausting outside of games.
I can't seem to find curved TV's anymore, this is exact what I wanted to try. I got the 49" curved G9 monitor, but it's just not tall enough. Wide as hell, but I do a lot of Wordpress site editing and need height as well.
I ahve been using the 48" LG C1 for two years and I love it! I work in IT so I have used a lot of monitors and the OLED is by far the best computer monitor I ever had. My Mac Mini M1 looks fantastic!
Have you tried to connect the laptop to a TV (Samsung Smart) through an internet connection and fix the mouse pointer. it does not move accurate. Thanks
A simple solution (workaround) for the issue you have with any app that has multiple instances open, is to click and hold the icon on the dock and select the title of the window you want to come forward. Only that window will be brought in the foreground. Additionally you can always enable "mission control" or "application windows" in a hot corner (pisses a lot of people off if they're not used to it, but for me it's the best workflow feature of macOS by far!). That way you can see and sort the windows either for all applications (mission control) or a single application (application windows). To use just quickly hover to the top left, and bring the window you want in front by clicking on it. bonus tip: During drag and dropping items from any app to another, instead of holding the items over the app icon and waiting for it to come forward, while still holding the items over the icon, hit the space bar, and that will immediately open the app window - saves some time.
I bought the service remote for my C2 and turned the local dimming off. Game changer. It’s ridiculously color accurate. I also use an iPad (with sidecar) as a reference monitor.
Are you sure about the local dimming? OLED TVs generally don't have that because they can control individual pixels. Actually I haven't heard any OLED TV having local dimming. There is no need for local dimming. Maybe you have turned off something else. Or maybe with service remote you have that setting but it does nothing on OLED TVs
@@jonnanieminen8848yes the LG C2 does do this the entire c line does this if you just watch any video on the LG series as a PC monitor you can see them do this. TV mode it does it when you're using it as a monitor. There is a workaround for it it just void your warranty
This is the same problem we have with images from rectilinear lenses (straight lines stay straight). The wider the angle of view occupied the screen (or photo), the more distortion there is near the edges or corners due to it being rectilinear (flat). Basically, the ratio of distance to the corner vs the center deviates too much from 1.0 (pixel angular width varies with the location of the pixel). When you start to run into this limit, a curved monitor works better (equivalent to a fisheye lens - circles stay circular) - pixel angular width stays closer to constant regardless of location on the screen. Because the problem is angle of view, the size of the screen isn't actually important (other than the distance your eyes have to focus). A 30" screen sitting 2 ft away will provide an identical experience to a 60" screen sitting 4 ft away. You should also try using a table that's not so deep. Place the TV on a bench behind the table, which is not as tall as the table (so the bottom of the screen is actually below table level but still visible). Your head and eyes are designed to look at stuff from slightly above the horizon, to far below the horizon. So positioning the center of the screen at eye height results in the top of the screen being uncomfortably high. Putting the TV on a shorter bench lowers it so most of the screen is below your eye level. While the shorter table depth allows the bottom of the screen to remain visible above the back edge of the table.
@@SimonWoodburyForget Yes the effect is the same as in real life. But the reason it's a problem for computers (especially games) but not real life, is that towards the edges or corners of a wide angle screen, there are more pixels per arc-degree of vision. So the computer packs in more information in the same angular space (a Word document at the center of the screen is easier to read than if it's at the corner due to it taking up a smaller angle of view in the corner). Or the computer has to work harder (games) to generate those corner pixels which don't cover as much space on your retina as center pixels. Both are solved (or mitigated) by a curved screen.
What you are suggesting,can have unpleasant effects to a spine in the long run. Very unpleasant in the old age. Idealy,the center of the screen should be at the perfect level to the eyes. Aligned. Or very, very slightly above the eyes level. People choose to ignore it for various reasons. Lazyness,lack of resources,ignorance. This is why so many people have back and neck pains.
I've been using a 4k 55'' Samsung TV for almost 10 years. It is slightly curved and it's been brilliant, especially for photo editing, because the colors are very good and the size means anything that isn't sharp really stands out.
I didn't go through all the comments, so not sure if someone answered this. Right click on the application's dock icon. You should get a list of all the windows associated with the application. If you select the window you want, this will be the only window that comes forward. Also you can have windows for an application minimize into the dock (instead of the application icon). This makes it much easier to find application windows that you've minimized. Keep up the good work!
I've been using a 55" LG C1 as my gaming monitor for about 3 years now, with absolutely no complaints I invested in extended insurance because OLED burn in was a concern but I've had no issues using the TV with thousands of hours of usage.
Been using my 65 LG cx with my Alienware aurora r14. I sit 7 feet away and use Bluetooth controls. So the distance helps with the size. The colors and contrast and picture quality still shock me each day I use it, and it's not even the latest greatest oled. 😂
I should add it's wall mounted and my head positioning is central approximately 5ft from the screen it doesn't fill my fov, as for pixel density it's fine for a 50 year old like myself whose eyesight is just starting to fail
I switched to a 48inch LG C1 and have never looked back, its literally the best monitor I've ever used, switching to a lower size is really noticeable to me now, I think 55inch is waaay to big I think at 48 or 42 is the sweet spot for having an OLED TV as a computer monitor.
Great video..straight to the point....direct...clear spoken...not going off topic...no long story telling....all about the tv....this is what a video like this should be....you see a thumbnail ..and when you choose the video...this is what i look for...about the product
Thank you for guiding me through the OLED monitor setup! Your clear instructions made the process seamless, and I now enjoy a vibrant and stunning display. Your expertise and patience are truly appreciated. Grateful for your help in enhancing my viewing experience. ❤
Turn off Cinema mode. Put it on Standard. Switch the input label to PC. Go into settings and make sure motion whatever is off, local dimming is off and dynamic contrast is off. Enjoy.
I first got the 48" LG C1 for a monitor but found it just a bit too large. I eventually swapped to a 42" C2 and found the size to be perfect as a desk monitor next to me 34" ultrawide. Great for editing.
Yep, my C2 is perfect for my work and fun ... software engineer so I'm coding about 12 hours a day on it. I use 3X 55" LG OLEDs for my flight simulator setup.
I bought the LG C2 42" and it has been an amazing monitor. I was coming from a 3 4k 27" monitor setup and It's crazy how big 4k is with no scaling turned on. I don't feel like I lost any screen restate.
On Mac, you can have the windows minimize to the temp side of the dock and not minimize to dock icon. It makes it easier to open back up the window when it is in the temp/recent area of the dock. Just turn off “Minimize windows into application icon”.
@@swenhalverhe is clearly comfortable with keyboard shortcuts and it’s just command-m which is very easy to use/remember. Also it can be set to double lock on title bar.
@@swenhalver yea, but it’s the only option that comes stock with Mac OS. You can use stage manager, but that takes up room. Another option would be just to use the cmd + Tab, to scroll through windows. I wish it worked a bit more like windows
I've been using a 55" Samsung The Frame QLED for 2 years now and its blown my mind. i used to have a 43" Ultrawide monitor and two 27" over the top, but i hates switching screen and in total took up 50% of my desk. The best i found with the frame, is it fits flat to the wall, with no gap and now I have all my desk space back. I use it for work, productivity and gaming. I don't notice any pixels when working with it. I use a secret labs chair, which i have slightly reclined, which seems perfect for posture, support and ease of use with a monitor quite big and close. The only thing i'd find useful, is when using something like youtube... is to full screen in the snapped area instead of the entire screen. Maybe there is an app for it, but not found anything. TV's OLED or QLED are the way to go for overall use.
I also use a 42" LG C3 since 5 months and it is really nice. I can comfortable overview the whole screen without turning my head. It has with 42" 104ppi which is ok. The townside are the glossy coating, Oled Banding and i had to turn of "Cleartype" because of color-fringing (WRGB).
You have any advice on getting the best deep rich sharp color when gaming I can't seem to get it right without something else being just not quite right. I even tried to secret code 1113111 and switched colorimetry to bt2020 and its great but it just looks like a lame filter instead of targeting only the colors it coats the whole screen so rooms look orange or red rather than "only enhancing the colors" I'm trying to get the best viewing experience when gaming
Man Iv’e said it before but dual 42” LG C3 in concave style is a game changer. I really think you’d enjoy it. I did the 55” for 1 year prior to this & it wore me down with the general travel of my eyes and neck tilting. Tilting the 42” monitors towards you is an entirely different level of immersiveness.
Been using a 65” LG C1 as my primary computer monitor for over a year. (4090/13990k) .. It’s an incredible experience at 4 1/2 feet away. Using a pair of KEF q150s, cheap Fosi ZA3 amp + a SVS Micro 3000 Sub, which completes the setup. The built in speakers are the only weak point to the TV.
The 42 inch LG C3 is currently on sale on Amazon for just under $900. Last I heard, Best Buy will price match. I've seen a lot of videos where people are using the 42 inch (usually the C2, older version), and most seem quite satisfied. Can't beat the current price.
I find LG 42'C2' TV already quite big to serve as a monitor, 42-48'' is enough, 55'' is just difficult and strain on the neck or you need to sit further away (mount it on wall). It's been amazing for me, the picture is so sharp it looks 3D. I cannot go back from goin OLED. So much that I recently got Samsung 77'' S90C QD OLED on sale for 2200€ directly from Samsung as my main set 10 feet away for salon and it's been another big upgrade, been amazing!
I used my 4k 55in TV for 3 years or so. More often than not didn't have anything on the top of it. Mostly on bottom and centre even for games, especially for CSGO
Oled is really nice but the best image precision is still LCD. Those are just the once they use for production they go for about 10,000 USD a piece. Depending on the model. Regular LCDs are different. Resolution does not mean anything past 1440p. Unfortunately people still buy apple monitors/desktops which are a decade behind in tech of some of the newer models out there its crazy how marketing got to people haha.
@@yushkovyaroslav You must know something we don't, last time I checked every film production in Hollywood is using Sony 30000$ OLED for mastering production. Which came out years ago. Nowdays TVs like A95L, S95C and G3 get really close to that mastering TV for fraction of price. So you are most definitely not up to today with current knowlodge, not to fault of your own I don't expect people to follow tech extesnively. But I can agree with you that for most people, LCD MiniLED will still be great enough. I recently walked in on newest Hisense U8 65'' LED and mistoke it for OLED it was just as good. Then if you factor in that you can get a size or even two lager MiniLED TV for same pirce. I can see how people would go with a 85''' or 100'' MiniLED instead of 75 or 85'' OLED and it would be completetly perfect exprience on both. But you got a size larger and no burn in. The benefit of OLED would be cosmos/universe view or any very small fragments of light like stars, look extermely bright. Meanwhile on MiniLED the stars look way dimmer (they don't even have blooming on newest models when you got above 65''). As well way better shadow detail, while on LED it can look 5-10% more gray. But the benfit of going miniLED would be getting that 3000-4000 nits brightness on most TV for same price. Meanwhile med/high end OLEDs only do still 1000-2000 nits. The SDR content in MiniLED is so much brighter as well HDR it's staggering, like you can see the picture completetly anew on MiniLED. They also work very well in daytime, so good the brightness can kill you. The neon and tropical collor pallet look especially great on MiniLED: So yeah for most people I can agree with you, go for that freaking 85'' or 100'' and be blown away :=) That is what I am recommending to my parents, their Samsung 65'' Q70R from 2020 broke down with burn in from just normal TV watching and they got money back. The plan is to grab them a 85'' Hisense U8 for price of 65'' OLED. I gone with 77' S90C and in 6-8 years time when I will be due an upgrade, there will be MicroLED and Phosphorescent Blue OLEDs going toe to toe in brightness of 4000 nits TVs and no burn in and probably in 100-150'' sizes.
@@yushkovyaroslav *"Oled is really nice but the best image precision is still LCD."* _What_ in the _world_ are you talking about? *"Resolution does not mean anything past 1440p."* _What_ in the _world_ are you talking about?
I've been using the 55' LG C1 on my desk for the past couple of years. One of the best PC upgrades I ever made. I don't how I lived with a small 27'' (or smaller) screen for so long before.
@@thejeremyschmit I think about 36'' front to back, so the TV is probably about 30'' from me. It's actually a table but I've used it as a desk for like a decade.
I'm using 55'' 8K LG Nano for about 3 years now and I love it. It's near flawless. Image quality is stunning. The only thing is that 55'' might be slightly too big. 48'' would be perfect, but I wasn't able at that time to find 48'' 8K. Nonetheless, I'm so happy with that buy, I don't think any multi screen setup is more comfortable for work that just a large screen with Fancy zones (on WIndows).
Divvy is great, however hasn't seen updates in a long time. I have personally moved over to Lasso, and been extremely happy with it. Best of all, it also lets you do by-pixel sizing in addition to the "grid" quick selection. Makes it great when you need to see 1:1 how something would look without scaling.
It is fun I have been using a 48in LG C1 OLED TV as a monitor for a few years now and it has been great. Still no burn-in or any other issues as of yet.
I do a similar setup, but adding 2 small 11.6" or 13.3" 1080P screens underheath tilted upwards would be even better. You can use those as auxiliary screens to put additional windows in. 42" is much better for your table IMO. Not worth going bigger unless you got a crazy deep desk or wallmount.
@@annebokma4637 That can work very well if you have the right desk for it. It would need to be a shallow desk that you can easily look over, and the two 24s are angled up and partly below the desk level. Then the main 48 is eye level. This would be my ideal setup. Also what's cool is that the two 24s roughly align in width and pixels to the 48. So you're essentially running 3840x3240 which is almost a square display. But this is super useful.
I came here to make this same comment and was relieved when someone already had. As someone who moved from windows to Mac in their 30s, alt tab was a lifesaver
I'm using 55C2 as my monitor for gaming, working, entertainment center... and it was an amazing and very satisfying experience. This was running for 16 months, not a single hiccup.
Yep. You got exactly the problem I hit up against just using a 43 inch 4k as a monitor. I thought it would be great, like 4 1080p monitors, *but* the viewing angle gets extreme at the edges. I end up moving myself to get a better viewing angle. 4 1080ps are just better. You can angle them left right *and* up down.
Going on 5 years with an LG 34" 21:9 curved IPS monitor (that replaced two 27" Apple monitors side-by-side). Sure, it's "only" 3440x1400, but I still love it and don't want to replace it anytime soon.
I've been using the Lg 42 c2 oled for a while now and I love it. Not perfect but beats all other monitors i've tried. I came from a 5k Dell prior to the c2 and I am happy. Prints come back good and colors are great when slightly adjusted.
I use a 43" Samsung 4k and 43" LG 4k in a dual monitor setup for my Mac Studio M2 Max. It works great and is amazing for my needs. I'm not doing graphic design or anything that would require color accuracy. It's perfect for mixing and producing music. My 2 cents - Thanks for sharing - Cheers
I've been using an 65" LG C1 oled for years and I love it. I originally started out on a 47" Vizio V series 4k and tv's are the way to go for pc gaming.
I'm currently using a 58" Samsung I was gifted a few months back and I have no real issues with it only being 4k. One of the things I think doesn't get mentioned all that much with displays is the gaps between pixels. I used a Vizio tv for a bit and despite being the same 4k resolution it had a noticeably lower quality image than the Samsung because there was visible gaps between pixels.
yeah it is not surprising that you have no issues with it being 4K since 4K on such a big screen is basically like 1080p on a desktop monitor, which is ABSOLUTELY fine. The dude in the vid is simply spoiled as hell from using 4K on desktop monitors for some time, which is absolutely not needed at all and only gimps your gpu performance...
As a stopgap for your dock issues with multiple windows, at least until you get that app developed... I know with the Magic Mouse, 2-finger-double-tap (which usually brings up Mission Control) on top of doc windows, brings up App Expose. So whatever mouse button you have mapped to Mission Control, try that when mousing over the dock icon.
I'm using the LG OLED 42" objet 4k 120HZ TV mounted on the wall. Best PC screen I've had. I just love the sleek design with the white + grey fabric and the rounded edge in the bottom. The speakers is also awesome. Oled 4k 42" is the sweat spot at the moment.
The chrome dock issue you mentioned can be fixed easily by going to settings > Desktop and Dock > toggle off the "Minimise windows into application icon". Afte that you should be able to see all app windows that you minimise, in the dock as a separate app. Hope I got the problem right. Good luck.
I use the 48" LG Monitor version of this OLED (more PC related features) and am in love. Warning though, you HAVE to eventually sit further back even if its on a larger desk; I was getting bad headaches after a few months and put it on a dedicated stand, no issues now, plus I love having extra desk space.
I've been using a 55" LG C1 for the last few years. I have it on a Rolling TV stand. Makes it much easier to position it just the right distance away. For me it's about 4 ft. The extra foot makes a big difference. Personally I don't use a regular desk. I use a lap desk in my recliner. I have the lap desk sitting on a couple of cheap bar stools that sit right below the TV so all I have to do is lean forward and pick up the lap desk for ease of use.
@@Quaddragon Thank's for the quick reply, I have the screensaver on, but the auto-hide taskbar is annoyingly laggy for me, is it a problem if I leave the taskbar on ?
@@hassanmesti1251 I wouldn't but that's my personal preference. As long as you have the anti burn in stuff enabled in the tv settings you should be ok. Although i did purchase a 5 year extended warranty as well, but haven't needed it.
@@Quaddragon Thanks for the advice! I think I might get an extended warranty too-better safe than sorry. It's really comforting to hear that you've used an TV for years without any burn-in issues.
I have the LG NanoCell 65" 8K TV to use as a monitor. Absolutle love it... my eyes are about a comfortable 2 feet from the screen... feel no need to move back... I can't see the pixels... best computer monitor I've had.
I also have done it, but I suggest to place it lower and farther then what you showed: bending the neck for long time can cause you real issues, and the more you can get in your cone of vision the better it is. A desk around 40in deep is a good starting point
I got Aorus FO48U 48" and I've been using it for almost a year. Couple of thoughts: - 4k at 48" looks alright at around 1 m from the display, but sitting anywhere closer and you start seeing pixels/start losing the sharpness in fonts - wonder how much this improves in 8k, - 1440p even close still looks very good in most games and difference between 4k is not really worth the lower fps/more expensive PC setup, - OLED anti-burn in "features" can be quite distracting like aggressive dimming etc. - still, OLED's image quality is totally worth it, - 48" is big and small at the same time - it's big enough to take almost all of the space on my desk but I still think that 55" or even bigger would be more comfortable for me, - I haven't noticed any distortion due to the large size of the display, - TVs are heavy and good luck finding desk VESA arm that'll hold almost 15 kg, - connected with the weight are stability issues - it's a lot of weight in vertical position and it sometimes can slightly rock forward-backward when you live close to the sources of heavy vibrations (kids :), road with often heavy equipment etc.),
I use a 42inch C2 Oled and I love it! It's amazing as a monitor. My primary use is for FS2020. I hide my menu bar to prevent screen burn. And I don't use any wallpaper.
Same. I do use wallpapers but change them every month. I also move my shortcut icons around every few months. And I have the menu bar hidden but it still leaves 2 lines visible in the lower left of the screen which I'm not happy with. And I have a moving wallpaper enabled that runs after 10 minutes of no activity. And I have enabled Pixel Shift on the TV. And I always power off the TV with the remote so it can run its pixel cleaning. So I should never have burn-in.
I have been running dual 32" 4k monitors for a few years and people think I am nuts for wanting a larger screen, but at my age and having to wear readers, I want the type larger and have been trying to decide if I should add a 3rd monitor or go for a 55" tv. On my 32" monitors I have the scaling set to 125%.
Since last 3 years I am on 55" LG OLED set in my studio as my main monitor . This is the best setup I ever had . Absolutely great for photo & video edition . Skeptical at first but I absolutely love it !
The number one thing that has annoyed me about windows after a lifetime with OSX, is the lack of persistent menu bar. So many apps bug out and just don't have a menu or it's decided to hide itself. This is ironically the equivalent of iOS's lack of system wide back button/gesture.
Extremely thorough analysis of using a 4k 55" screen as a monitor in contrast to a muti-monitor setup. Inclusion of the impact on a diverse set of human-factors made this review insighful. Outstanding effort. Added value to making an informed-decision. Thank you for making this video.
I’m an ergonomist and you’re exactly right about the whole vision issue. You’re also going to be twisting your neck both laterally and vertically a lot more which isn’t ideal. Looks like a fun setup though. Curious to see how well the Apple vision pro works for large monitors since you won’t need to change your neck position.
I mean TVs are not monitors. They have terrible viewing angles if you are right next to them. They have terrible response time. They dont work well with proper graphics cards (I am not talking about the decade old apple graphics that cant even compete with NVIDIA 1090s) Like if you always used apple and just regular 4k monitors/Apple monitors I can see how one can see it as an upgrade but that is not the current tech by any stretch of the imagination for PC world. Also there is a proper software to do what he is trying to do, to actually make it 4 different monitors not just a split screen.
@yushkovyaroslav If you watched the video, he clearly stated that OLED viewing angle is not an issue. I can confirm that myself. And also the fact that with LG OLEDs, input lag is not an issue either. I think the idea was not about TVs, more about the new OLED TV tech we have now.
@@anssiaatos Yeah, they are still way worse than real monitors XD. Which are also available for OLED. Not to say big studios still use LCDs because LCD is still better color accuracy, it all depends on the display. Thiers cost starting from like 5k. Dont compare real monitors to regular 4k monitors or apple monitors those are complete trash. Not to mention they have tech that works better with Nvidia cards that are also ages ahead of apple cards. And those monitors are build to work with them. But if you dont care about quality and all you do is photoshop and some basic splicing for videos then I guess its whatever. Its more for like real animation work, cgi and game development. Also I dont know why is mentioning he is returning it because of how it works with displays looking like singular monitor, well no shit sherlock all you did was enable split screen there is real software that make it actually 2 different monitors. Split screen does not configure your "monitor" properly. So Idk... clearly this is not a tech channel XD Oh not mention the refresh rate is abysmal. I mean Ive seen laptops with quadruple the refresh rate. Ok fine if you are not playing/making games then maybe that one is not that important. But recommending people to buy this over a real OLED monitor, while failing to mention all of these draw backs. Its kind of clownlike lol. Like ask yourself why no self-respecting dev, animator, cgi artist uses setups like this. Because these are not real monitors, those are TV's for Netflix XD.
Apple monitors are trash? They're known for creating some of the best (and most expensive) colour accurate monitors on the planet - the Pro Display XDR is very, very good. They're preferred by lots of different post production professionals - from photographers to editors and animators. Of course if you're a professional colourist you're probably going to have to swing for a Sony broadcast display like the new Sony BVM-HX3110. But you might want to mortgage your house because it's going to be over $25K (that's where it's predecessor started). There's really only 3 names - Sony, Eizo and Apple.
Congrats man. Using 55'' C1 or C2 for 1.5 years already. Amazing quality. If it was curved would be even better. Hard to look into corners when working at the table.
I've been using 2 50" tv's as monitors for the past 10+ years at this point. There is nothing wrong with using quality tv's as monitors. Typically they're a cheaper alternative, just make sure that the inputs of the tv have the correct specs to achieve whatever their advertised resolution and refresh rates are. For example a tv with only HDMI 2.0 will not do 8k resolution. However HDMI 2.1 will do up to 10k @ 120hz.
@@yourbossdonpelyYou don't know what you're talking about. A 50" 4k (3840x2160) has a PPI of 88.12. At the same time a 28" 1080p (1920x1080) only has a PPI of 78.68. Leaving the 50" tv in this example having 10 more pixels per inch. The only downside to quality tv's over an expensive monitor MIGHT be the G-T-G timing. Sure there are super expensive monitors that you can have 4k @ 240hz at 32" but, I'm going to tell you that 4k @ 32" is way to small unless you upscale everything so you can actually read it. BTW, that 32" monitor, 1500$, for 1500$ you can buy a 65" 8k @ 120hz miniLED tv, that has the identical PPI of the 32" monitor of ~138. The most important thing for production is color reproduction and accuracy. Long story short, pay attention to the specs, their inputs accepted to see if they can even achieve advertised specs and find something that works best for your situation.
I got the setup you talked about. Samsung 55 QLED 900 8K. The issue with the edges went away after I bought a monitor arm and installed the monitor. Now I can tilt back in my chair and my arms rest on the desk while my back is fully supported and the monitor hovers over the desk tilted to match my angle of my head resting on the headrest. There is only one monitor arm that can do that. And it solves all the issues you mention including the issue of the screen size. Check it out, I hope it works for you. Cheers. AVLT Single 17”-49” Monitor Arm Desk Mount fits One 50.7 lbs Heavy Duty Monitor Full Motion Height Swivel Tilt Rotation Adjustable Monitor White Arm VESA 200x200 200x100 100x100 75x75
I've been doing that since 2018 I think. The tv is mounted on the wall with a big desk right under. It stays between 3 and 4 feet away and it helped me quite a bit with eye fatigue... For gaming I think size beats density especially at 4k, it's much easier to see small details when this close from a big tv... And for gaming I think 8k is a waste unless people have a 70 inch display or something ridiculous like that...
You can just open one specific chrome window by right clicking on the chrome icon and then clicking on the window you want. It's an extra click as compared to windows, but at least the functionality is there.
0:19 I'm curious, what does "perfect" look like? This is a serious question. I feel like society is always chasing perfection. It's like getting a Porsche, then saying, "It's nice, but it's not perfect". I just feel like we are constantly chasing Tech. I question how long can we sustain this need for perfection.
If you look at the overall arc of human history, the pursuit of perfection leads to innovation and the overall improvement of quality of life. For example, while walking was good in many cases, using animals, such as horses or oxen, for transportation improved speed and efficiency. Later on, humans developed boats and ships to enable us to travel over water and therefore go to places that land transportation would not allow. Trains further increased land transportation abilities while cars allowed even more independence. When airplanes were developed, transportation became even faster, while the jet engine made air travel even faster yet and more comfortable. In the future, with the pursuit of perfection, rockets or similar propulsion technology may make travel even faster, allowing a commute between continents to be like commuting from a suburb to the city today. As long as humanity continues to develop good ideas, we should be able to continue the pursuit of perfection indefinitely. Technological innovation is one of the good aspects about humanity.
Our "pursuit for perfection" is really just consumer demand for higher quality. If you feel like this is becoming more common, what does that tell you about the quality of today's products? We buy items and discard them for newer items, but that is not necessarily because we are restless consumers who just want the next great thing. Quality of design, engineering, and finish have gone down in almost every industry. The Chinese manufacturing mentality has infected every industry now. We make tons of cheap crap, we sell it, people don't like it, so we sell different cheap crap. The actual innovation has plateaued.
I went with a 48in LG Oled for pc and has been the best experience I have ever had. It has a true 120hz refresh as well as HDR. And at the end of the day I can watch my favorite shows and movies from the built in apps.
I’m using a 65” Samsung 8K QN900B as my monitor and I regret NOTHING. The TV is gorgeous, very OLED like. The 8K is fantastic, and YES, you can see the resolution difference when using it as a monitor. I’m very picky about seeing pixels. 8K at 65” has a PPI of 136…high enough for nearly invisible pixels at 12 inches or greater viewing distance. That's even higher than a 42" 4K TV which as a PPI of only 105. Also it has a standard subpixel structure…essential for clear text without annoying color fringing when using a TV as a Monitor. Haven't seen an OLED yet, even the ones marketed as PC Monitors, that use a standard subpixel structure.
Only if your computer definition is also 8K of course otherwise having a 8K monitor won't change anything. To have a good definition in 8K for a monitor, I wouldn't go over 60", more and you would start to see the pixels, if you use it as you use a computer and not as a TV, and so it would be better if it is curved too.
I have an 55" 4K OLED (LG OLED55B7A). The fringing on fine colored text is a result of insufficient signal throughput (4:2:0). I verified that with enough color information it completely disappears and text looks perfect (And that's at a 24" viewing distance). Because of HDMI 2.0 I had to drop to 30 Hz to test it, but I did verify the concept.
6 month ago I moved from dual monitor setup to 55 inch Sony TV. There are some inconveniences but the amount of space and freedom you get, makes it impossible to go small again.
with the 65" you'd have room for your primary focus window to be large & in charge in the center and still have space on each side for sizeable secondary focus, then arrange smaller tertiary focus windows in whatever is left. I vote go for the 65" 8k and get us a followup video asap
2:31 Those people are correct! And the reason you "think" the TV image is better than on your monitor is because of all the "sweeteners" I discussed in my other post, below. The monitor passes content straight to you, with little or no enhancements(maybe a sharpness control which you can set to minimum or to a calibrated setting). The image arrives 'flat', or native, with nothing added to or subtracted from it. After watching the cartoony image of ESPN or Fox through a TV, even with all the crap turned off, I viewed it through a monitor. I was blown away by how delicate and detailed the same channels looked via monitor! It was as though the news anchors were sitting across the room from me, or that I was actually at the golf course watching the invitational from the crowd lines! It's up to you, but for me, I seek accuracy and realism. A monitor is much closer to that goal than most mainstream consumer televisions.
I think the 42" OLED would tip you over with the pixel density and the eye strain to the corners. I have the older 1080 55 OLED and I am using it from time to time as a monitor. And yes, you cant beat the picture quality. Maybe two 4K 32" high quality OLEDs would serve you perfect too? Best luck!
How can you people use TVs as monitors the response time is soooooooooo slow lmao. I mean there are a few oled monitors that are probably sharper than TVs but less vibrant I guess but common TVs are not monitors for a reason haha. I guess MACs are not real computers either but people buy them, so people do some dumb shit out there for no reason, eh to each their own? I guess...
@@yushkovyaroslavlol he said “not real computers”. Why? Cuz they have a stable OS that helps you forget you’re using a computer? I have yet to encounter a windows machine that doesn’t make me want to throw it through the window.
@@mootsym no because they are slow as shit... what problems did you have with windows? You are probably either very bad or very low end user If you have issues with windows desktops or you think that apple hardware is sufficient. It's ok a lot of people are low ends and apple preys on these people that don't understand what they are doing computer related. You also dont have to use windows if you dont like it by some reason. The main issue is that apple hardware is not just years behind but perhaps decades when it comes to high end programs. So when you buy an apple made computer your really buying a mobile phone roleplaying as a laptop/desktop that cant crack above 10 fps running as a sim server on any decent developer platform. (Where are our windows machines run the same programs loads at 60 tick rate and 200 fps native) as for rendering 3D scenes, if it takes apple desktop 10 minutes to do it, it takes around 30-60 seconds for nvidia rendering cards to do it. Only reason they are "stable" which by the way not even true... I can easily break their OS by going outside of basic use parameters. But it's also because they cant do anything outside of generic use. And is a very close system that is completely useless unless you plan to use your computer for basic photoshop and social media all day long. Their OS in short terms is very small and closed environment Hence maybe that's why it might have "less issues" but again if you have issues with other os is because you have 0 idea how computers work. But even if windows has "issues" no one in professional field or anyone who has any idea what they are buying would choose apple chip over Intel top end chips or nvidia 4090/quadro cards. (Or amd for servers) The difference is just night and day. I mean even 7-10 year old chips assembled properly gave more performance than top end apple chips of 2022. So there really aren't any options there since they are not allowing most of their devices to work with these chips. (No wonder no one would buy their trash then haha) considering they got 4x less cuda cores and non existent slow video memory so you can never get modern video performance or do any proper rendering. Well gl to you mate and whatever you are using your newly acquired bulky mobile phone for! But If you ever want a real computer just assemble your own high end pc with proper components and cooling and it will be faster than anything apple you can buy for next 10 years. And if you hate windows, run linux.
Nice. Have been using a similar 55" setup since 2018 but an LG Cinema 3d TV. The splinters and particles pop out of the screen while playing the games. What's more, I also learned that two of the flop movies 'King Arthur: Legend of the Sword' and 'Point Break 2015' when watched using this setup are 3D masterpieces.
Very interesting. I just recently got a new monitor and went the conservative route with an "old tech" BenQ monitor. But obviously OLED has way better contrast. I'll be waiting for dedicated graphics monitors, since the TV size is way too much for me and honestly I would be bothered by the big pixels. Lee, do you mind the glossy surface at all?
@Fstoppers on macOS in the "Desktop & Dock" System Settings you can turn off the "Minimize windows into application icon" setting and this will then place your minimized windows on the right hand side of the dock. Then you can click on them there to bring them back up.
The main problem with oled tvs for monitors is once you turn off the dimming, blurring safety features it will suffer from burn-in really fast (if you don't turn them off it will drive you nuts). I don't use mine as a PC much and only ever to watch movies (not things that stay in the same place). I also haven't turned the safety features off and even when I'm super careful with mine I saw evidence of burn in after just 2 years!
I have two 27" to compare, a 5K and a 4K. I have to tell you the 5K Apple Studio Monitor blows the 4K out of the water. 4K at 55", I am pretty sure there would be no comparison. You really should try the 8K, or perhaps the 32" 6K Apple Pro monitor. Remember, there is far more to high-end monitors than size and resolution. I see things on the 5K Apple display that are simply not there on the 4K, and it is not due to the resolution.
So thankful I found your video, the difference is I will be buying a 65" vs the 55" because I not only play regular video games but RTS and RPG that have a lot of reading as well; also I use it as a main monitor vs my LG 4k monitor that I also have to my right. But, I have another desk in front of my main desk of 22" , so add another 28" and it sits at the back of that. So, from my viewing chair to the screen is 5'. When I watch movies I just recline in my Secret Labs chair. I have been using 1080p ever since it was the best new thing, I am getting ready to upgrade this week along with a new computer. Thanks for the video. From Vizio 1080p 55" (had for over 10 years) to LG 65" C3 OLED
Let's talk about the pixel density *sweet spot*. Usually screens came in 96 to 101 dpi, e-readers at 160 dpi, and mobile phones at sth. like 200+. For font rendering, I find 160 to 165 dpi just perfect; you can have that as 4K+ screen in 27-28 inches.
I think this is personal preference. I find 32" 4k to be great for 100% scaling. For 8k I think a 40" size would be perfect (220) that would give the "retina" level where people can't see the individual pixels.
@@deanwilliams433 You're right in that, given the same resolution, a larger screen can be further away to achieve a desired pixel/view_angle density. Though it has drawbacks such as fall in apparent brightness, and the entire furniture logistics which might not be possible in an office.
i'm running C2 setup, its awesome, OLED is the best part of it. I also used to see the pixels, but its an indication that you're too close, you should buy special desk that gives you more distance and put the tv right at the edge. After doing that i have great experience with it and no way i can see the pixels.
The lack of HDMI 2.1 in the older Samsung 55" 8k is what stopped me getting one. It's a shame they no longer make 55" 8k. I've been on a 4k AMH A399U since Level1Techs did a review in ~2015. Multi-monitor sucks. I need more physical pixels, 8k it is. Please review the Samsung 65" 8k as there are no reviews as monitors for these panels.
Been on this life for years. First w/ the 55" Samsung Frames, but recently I've updated to the 2nd-gen Ark and the curved screen is a serious game changer for reading the edge-of-screen portions without moving your head Have tried on trips and with experiments, and you just cannot go back
I have been using an LG OLED since 2016 as a monitor it has been on pretty much every waked hour. With zero burn in it has only gotten better and more even. It works great just do not be stup id. Do not run it at max OLED light until you need it to watch HDR movies for example, and use basic burn in mitigation strategies like screen savers and such and you will be fine. Also do not let sunlight reach the screen UV light kills the screen or wall hang it heat also kills the screen.
Two 42" 4k are working great, I have another station with two 50" 4k but I would recommend staying at 42" or no greater than 50" max...also heavy duty dual monitor gas spring mounts but you will probably need the Vesa adapters. Set for dark mode otherwise too bright and even with two 42" you will sit back from them but no where near as bad as 55".
I have own shop, and I hate people returning staff. The guy in Bestbuy, should refuse the refund. You making him trouble, only you could make your biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig video.
Ive been rocking the 42" C2 for about 2 months now after using a 42" 1080p for almost a decade. Ive built 3 new PCs since I started using the 1080p and the C2 is the best upgrade Ive made in that last decade.
I have an older LG 55" 4K OLED I use as my gaming monitor. Looks gorgeous...........................but I have the Fallout 3 HUD permanently burnt into the panel now, lol. It's only a mild burn-in, but visible when displaying blue colors. I've used it as a Desktop monitor, and it's crazy the amount of neck moving I have to do. For day to day, Word, surfing, I found a cheap RCA 42" 4K LCD is doing me just fine. Does not look as good, a bit more washed out for sure, but I don't have to worry about how long I have it on, or what's displaying on it, etc etc, and I don't have to be twisting my head into a pretzel all the time. Maybe a QLED 42" would be a phenomenal experience?
I did the Samsung 65" 8k for about 6 months earlier. Despite the problems you talked about, I really liked it, just like having 4 32" 4k displays. I split it into two horizontal screen areas, plus two vertical on the sides. Thinking about doing it again, but I would want it curved if that were the case.
About two years ago I was fortunate enought to come into a bit of money. I decided to spend some of it on two LG 32" 4K Curved monitors. I run an Intel I9 Based rig for my business and for pleasure. The monitors were a real eye opener. I would never go back to a single monitor. You raise a valid point with the issue of having a large screen where you are sitting basically an arms length away. You have to pan your head left , right, up, down to see the edges.
I've been using my television as my computer monitor for the last 13 years. I am on my third big screen TV in that time. The first one was 48" and these last two have been 55". I may soon go larger. I'm not dragging you but some of your complaints are extremely petty, such as the placement of the menu bar and the clock. Clearly after 13 years, I am able to chime in about this. I just get the job done. Other than the normal computer usage, I edit videos and compose music. I know where everything I need is on the screen and I just move my eyes around rather than my whole head. When I need to find something new it's still not a problem. The only issue that could become a problem with a larger screen could be seeing multiple moving parts simultaneously. But, I'm thinking that the resolution to that issue would be just to sit further back from the screen. My keyboard and mouse sit on separate portable tables in an L-shape that I can move easily forward or backward as needed. My television is slightly elevated with monitors on either side of it. It's a great setup.
I use dual 43" 4K LG LED based TV's. They work great together and can be angled in. I stayed away from OLED and burn in issues with constant tool bars etc. My new ones will be microLED based TV's as well down the road when one of these breaks. They are color corrected and matched with Spyder system. 👍🤠
I started using a 50” 4K Sony, never going back. My desk is 3ft deep and it has standing feature. It’s way better than two separate monitors.
I connected my 55" Samsung with a long HDMI to play something with a Steam controller on the couch. Next day TV was on my desk :D
Never going back to small monitors. The best thing is you can also make some custom resolutions in nvidia drivers to create whatever custom resolution you want for playing FPS games for an example, ultrawide 21:9 3440:1440
I’ve been using my 9 year old vizio tv I got in college as a monitor ever since then (due to dorm space limitations). Using it with what was my first desktop PC, I don’t know how I could ever switch to a smaller monitor. Only use case I see for that is laptops and tablets.
The Vizio finally crapped out recently, and I switched to one of the 43in Samsung frame tvs. Loving it so far, even though this tv seems to get a lot of hate from people really into TVs. I think 43in is the perfect tradeoff between screen size and pixel density, before going up to 8k, of course. Multi-monitor setups just feel disjointed and hacky.
whats the refresh rate?
@@campar1043 Depends on the TV you have. If your TV can do 144 Hz at 3440x1440 then you can create any custom resolutions that are lower and will have 144Hz...Nvidia drivers have this function, super easy to create whatever you need, the rest of the screen is black. My Samsung has freesync and game mode 120Hz. But it's 120 Hz only up to 2560x1440, 7 year old TV. Once 5080 is available I will be changing to 65" with 3440x1440 supporting 120Hz. They are affordable for my budget at the moment, but I would need something better than 3080, so it's going to cascade into change of MOBO, memory and CPU too. This is why in my case it makes sense when prices of PC components are lowest during each year = July/August. AMD 9800X3D will be out and RTX5080 will be out also both will be cheaper...
same here 50 inch Sony 120hz HDMI port , watching movies or listening music without switching on PC, I paired it with my stereo with small sub , perfect now
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@@moneymanifestation9505 real I was the DSLR
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I’ve been rocking the LG C2 42 for over a year now and there ain’t no going back to monitors for now. Value is hard to beat. If you know how to hack it and turn off all the “TV” friendly features, it’s fantastic.
SAME THING MAN BUT IN MY CASE 48 C1
What's that clock app?
How do you hack it? I am looking to buy the 42" for video editing and looking for any information.
48” C1 here. Can’t ever go back. It’s incredible.
I've been using a C2 as well. Though a 55in, so I actually set up a small desk in front of the TV when I want to use my PC.
Not very convenient but it works.
I'd prefer to have a monitor for my PC. But I don't want a display that looks worse that my TV, and monitors of that caliber feel way overpriced.
A 32in 4K OLED 240hz monitor costs more than my 55in 4K OLED 120hz TV.
I'd like one of those monitors but the price is too high to justify.
LEE, possible dock fix for you... Settings > Desktop & Dock > UNCHECK minimize windows into application icon. Your multiple instances will show up on the right side of the dock.
was just going to say this. this is a simply fix.
the 42" has got to be the best video editing experience ever
I've been using large TVs as monitors for many, many years now, and none have been as comfortable as my 2017 Samsung 55" curved 4K. The small curve keeps the corners in focus, and they are the very first thing I noticed when I bought a flat TV a few years later. I tried sizes ranging from 40" to 75" and the sweet spot really is 55" for eye comfort and productivity. I still use that old Samsung as my "work from home" display since I can stare at code for 8+ hours without any eye strain, but my other two PCs run LG OLEDs, which I think look amazing and I run them very bright, but that gets exhausting outside of games.
Which tv is that? Still available?
Ihad an issue of trying a TV out but it was too bright and gave me eye strain as well. Even though I tried to dim it down.
I can't seem to find curved TV's anymore, this is exact what I wanted to try. I got the 49" curved G9 monitor, but it's just not tall enough. Wide as hell, but I do a lot of Wordpress site editing and need height as well.
what model of TV was it?
I ahve been using the 48" LG C1 for two years and I love it! I work in IT so I have used a lot of monitors and the OLED is by far the best computer monitor I ever had. My Mac Mini M1 looks fantastic!
Can you pls tell me if it’s good for programming?
Have you tried to connect the laptop to a TV (Samsung Smart) through an internet connection and fix the mouse pointer. it does not move accurate. Thanks
A simple solution (workaround) for the issue you have with any app that has multiple instances open, is to click and hold the icon on the dock and select the title of the window you want to come forward. Only that window will be brought in the foreground. Additionally you can always enable "mission control" or "application windows" in a hot corner (pisses a lot of people off if they're not used to it, but for me it's the best workflow feature of macOS by far!). That way you can see and sort the windows either for all applications (mission control) or a single application (application windows). To use just quickly hover to the top left, and bring the window you want in front by clicking on it.
bonus tip: During drag and dropping items from any app to another, instead of holding the items over the app icon and waiting for it to come forward, while still holding the items over the icon, hit the space bar, and that will immediately open the app window - saves some time.
I bought the service remote for my C2 and turned the local dimming off. Game changer. It’s ridiculously color accurate. I also use an iPad (with sidecar) as a reference monitor.
Are you sure about the local dimming? OLED TVs generally don't have that because they can control individual pixels. Actually I haven't heard any OLED TV having local dimming. There is no need for local dimming. Maybe you have turned off something else. Or maybe with service remote you have that setting but it does nothing on OLED TVs
That's auto dimming not local dimming. oleds don't have local dimming.
OLEDs dont need or have Local dimming.
@@jonnanieminen8848yes the LG C2 does do this the entire c line does this if you just watch any video on the LG series as a PC monitor you can see them do this. TV mode it does it when you're using it as a monitor. There is a workaround for it it just void your warranty
So there is a different remote control you can buy?
This is the same problem we have with images from rectilinear lenses (straight lines stay straight). The wider the angle of view occupied the screen (or photo), the more distortion there is near the edges or corners due to it being rectilinear (flat). Basically, the ratio of distance to the corner vs the center deviates too much from 1.0 (pixel angular width varies with the location of the pixel). When you start to run into this limit, a curved monitor works better (equivalent to a fisheye lens - circles stay circular) - pixel angular width stays closer to constant regardless of location on the screen.
Because the problem is angle of view, the size of the screen isn't actually important (other than the distance your eyes have to focus). A 30" screen sitting 2 ft away will provide an identical experience to a 60" screen sitting 4 ft away.
You should also try using a table that's not so deep. Place the TV on a bench behind the table, which is not as tall as the table (so the bottom of the screen is actually below table level but still visible). Your head and eyes are designed to look at stuff from slightly above the horizon, to far below the horizon. So positioning the center of the screen at eye height results in the top of the screen being uncomfortably high. Putting the TV on a shorter bench lowers it so most of the screen is below your eye level. While the shorter table depth allows the bottom of the screen to remain visible above the back edge of the table.
@@SimonWoodburyForget Yes the effect is the same as in real life. But the reason it's a problem for computers (especially games) but not real life, is that towards the edges or corners of a wide angle screen, there are more pixels per arc-degree of vision. So the computer packs in more information in the same angular space (a Word document at the center of the screen is easier to read than if it's at the corner due to it taking up a smaller angle of view in the corner). Or the computer has to work harder (games) to generate those corner pixels which don't cover as much space on your retina as center pixels. Both are solved (or mitigated) by a curved screen.
What you are suggesting,can have unpleasant effects to a spine in the long run.
Very unpleasant in the old age.
Idealy,the center of the screen should be at the perfect level to the eyes.
Aligned.
Or very, very slightly above the eyes level.
People choose to ignore it for various reasons.
Lazyness,lack of resources,ignorance.
This is why so many people have back and neck pains.
I've been using a 4k 55'' Samsung TV for almost 10 years. It is slightly curved and it's been brilliant, especially for photo editing, because the colors are very good and the size means anything that isn't sharp really stands out.
I didn't go through all the comments, so not sure if someone answered this. Right click on the application's dock icon. You should get a list of all the windows associated with the application. If you select the window you want, this will be the only window that comes forward. Also you can have windows for an application minimize into the dock (instead of the application icon). This makes it much easier to find application windows that you've minimized. Keep up the good work!
I've been using a 55" LG C1 as my gaming monitor for about 3 years now, with absolutely no complaints I invested in extended insurance because OLED burn in was a concern but I've had no issues using the TV with thousands of hours of usage.
Been using my 65 LG cx with my Alienware aurora r14. I sit 7 feet away and use Bluetooth controls. So the distance helps with the size. The colors and contrast and picture quality still shock me each day I use it, and it's not even the latest greatest oled. 😂
😎😭
I should add it's wall mounted and my head positioning is central approximately 5ft from the screen it doesn't fill my fov, as for pixel density it's fine for a 50 year old like myself whose eyesight is just starting to fail
For gaming you can use anything, it's a child's activity.
@@johnsmith1474 old man it's in the next Olympics! It also generates more revenue than the music and film industry combined. Take a nap old man.
I switched to a 48inch LG C1 and have never looked back, its literally the best monitor I've ever used, switching to a lower size is really noticeable to me now, I think 55inch is waaay to big I think at 48 or 42 is the sweet spot for having an OLED TV as a computer monitor.
Great video..straight to the point....direct...clear spoken...not going off topic...no long story telling....all about the tv....this is what a video like this should be....you see a thumbnail ..and when you choose the video...this is what i look for...about the product
uhm....okay.....
@@yungbaehehe
What's the problem?
You actually prefer click baity titles that have very little to no content related to some product?
Absolutely to the point. Great video
Thank you for guiding me through the OLED monitor setup! Your clear instructions made the process seamless, and I now enjoy a vibrant and stunning display. Your expertise and patience are truly appreciated. Grateful for your help in enhancing my viewing experience. ❤
Turn off Cinema mode. Put it on Standard. Switch the input label to PC. Go into settings and make sure motion whatever is off, local dimming is off and dynamic contrast is off. Enjoy.
This is how what-if tech review videos should be like. Love your candor and enthusiasm.
I first got the 48" LG C1 for a monitor but found it just a bit too large. I eventually swapped to a 42" C2 and found the size to be perfect as a desk monitor next to me 34" ultrawide. Great for editing.
Yep, my C2 is perfect for my work and fun ... software engineer so I'm coding about 12 hours a day on it. I use 3X 55" LG OLEDs for my flight simulator setup.
I bought the LG C2 42" and it has been an amazing monitor. I was coming from a 3 4k 27" monitor setup and It's crazy how big 4k is with no scaling turned on. I don't feel like I lost any screen restate.
Me too. The C2 is amazing.
Is c3 worth the price?
On Mac, you can have the windows minimize to the temp side of the dock and not minimize to dock icon. It makes it easier to open back up the window when it is in the temp/recent area of the dock. Just turn off “Minimize windows into application icon”.
Fun video btw :-) I am wondering if you were able to color calibrate it?
Ah THANK YOU!!!
My problem with this is, you have to remember to minimize a window for it to show in the dock separately.
@@swenhalverhe is clearly comfortable with keyboard shortcuts and it’s just command-m which is very easy to use/remember. Also it can be set to double lock on title bar.
@@swenhalver yea, but it’s the only option that comes stock with Mac OS. You can use stage manager, but that takes up room. Another option would be just to use the cmd + Tab, to scroll through windows.
I wish it worked a bit more like windows
I've been using a 55" Samsung The Frame QLED for 2 years now and its blown my mind. i used to have a 43" Ultrawide monitor and two 27" over the top, but i hates switching screen and in total took up 50% of my desk. The best i found with the frame, is it fits flat to the wall, with no gap and now I have all my desk space back. I use it for work, productivity and gaming. I don't notice any pixels when working with it. I use a secret labs chair, which i have slightly reclined, which seems perfect for posture, support and ease of use with a monitor quite big and close.
The only thing i'd find useful, is when using something like youtube... is to full screen in the snapped area instead of the entire screen. Maybe there is an app for it, but not found anything.
TV's OLED or QLED are the way to go for overall use.
I also use a 42" LG C3 since 5 months and it is really nice. I can comfortable overview the whole screen without turning my head. It has with 42" 104ppi which is ok. The townside are the glossy coating, Oled Banding and i had to turn of "Cleartype" because of color-fringing (WRGB).
You have any advice on getting the best deep rich sharp color when gaming I can't seem to get it right without something else being just not quite right. I even tried to secret code 1113111 and switched colorimetry to bt2020 and its great but it just looks like a lame filter instead of targeting only the colors it coats the whole screen so rooms look orange or red rather than "only enhancing the colors" I'm trying to get the best viewing experience when gaming
Being using LG C1 48" for almost 3 years now and never looked back once. using it for everything Gaming, TH-cam, movies and still amaze me every day.
Man Iv’e said it before but dual 42” LG C3 in concave style is a game changer. I really think you’d enjoy it. I did the 55” for 1 year prior to this & it wore me down with the general travel of my eyes and neck tilting. Tilting the 42” monitors towards you is an entirely different level of immersiveness.
Do you have a photo of this? What’s your primary use case?
Yeah can you share picture of this setup?
Been using a 65” LG C1 as my primary computer monitor for over a year. (4090/13990k) .. It’s an incredible experience at 4 1/2 feet away. Using a pair of KEF q150s, cheap Fosi ZA3 amp + a SVS Micro 3000 Sub, which completes the setup. The built in speakers are the only weak point to the TV.
The 42 inch LG C3 is currently on sale on Amazon for just under $900. Last I heard, Best Buy will price match. I've seen a lot of videos where people are using the 42 inch (usually the C2, older version), and most seem quite satisfied. Can't beat the current price.
um, it's $900 at costco with 5 year warranty.
Yes, I have the C2 42 and it's awesome 👌
I’ve had the 42 inch C2 for a while now and I LOVE it still.
@@ShawnStricklanddo you use it as PC monitor I have the c2 42 also
I have one of those I got for 750 last year for Black Friday. It's great mounted about 3 feet from my face
I’ve had a 42” LG OLED for a while and love it. So much better than a normal monitor
I find LG 42'C2' TV already quite big to serve as a monitor, 42-48'' is enough, 55'' is just difficult and strain on the neck or you need to sit further away (mount it on wall).
It's been amazing for me, the picture is so sharp it looks 3D. I cannot go back from goin OLED.
So much that I recently got Samsung 77'' S90C QD OLED on sale for 2200€ directly from Samsung as my main set 10 feet away for salon and it's been another big upgrade, been amazing!
Yeah i thought 42 was big too so o got 40" 4k smallest they make in 4k
I used my 4k 55in TV for 3 years or so. More often than not didn't have anything on the top of it. Mostly on bottom and centre even for games, especially for CSGO
Oled is really nice but the best image precision is still LCD. Those are just the once they use for production they go for about 10,000 USD a piece. Depending on the model. Regular LCDs are different. Resolution does not mean anything past 1440p. Unfortunately people still buy apple monitors/desktops which are a decade behind in tech of some of the newer models out there its crazy how marketing got to people haha.
@@yushkovyaroslav
You must know something we don't, last time I checked every film production in Hollywood is using Sony 30000$ OLED for mastering production.
Which came out years ago.
Nowdays TVs like A95L, S95C and G3 get really close to that mastering TV for fraction of price.
So you are most definitely not up to today with current knowlodge, not to fault of your own I don't expect people to follow tech extesnively.
But I can agree with you that for most people, LCD MiniLED will still be great enough.
I recently walked in on newest Hisense U8 65'' LED and mistoke it for OLED it was just as good.
Then if you factor in that you can get a size or even two lager MiniLED TV for same pirce.
I can see how people would go with a 85''' or 100'' MiniLED instead of 75 or 85'' OLED and it would be completetly perfect exprience on both. But you got a size larger and no burn in.
The benefit of OLED would be cosmos/universe view or any very small fragments of light like stars, look extermely bright. Meanwhile on MiniLED the stars look way dimmer (they don't even have blooming on newest models when you got above 65'').
As well way better shadow detail, while on LED it can look 5-10% more gray.
But the benfit of going miniLED would be getting that 3000-4000 nits brightness on most TV for same price.
Meanwhile med/high end OLEDs only do still 1000-2000 nits.
The SDR content in MiniLED is so much brighter as well HDR it's staggering, like you can see the picture completetly anew on MiniLED.
They also work very well in daytime, so good the brightness can kill you.
The neon and tropical collor pallet look especially great on MiniLED:
So yeah for most people I can agree with you, go for that freaking 85'' or 100'' and be blown away :=)
That is what I am recommending to my parents, their Samsung 65'' Q70R from 2020 broke down with burn in from just normal TV watching and they got money back.
The plan is to grab them a 85'' Hisense U8 for price of 65'' OLED.
I gone with 77' S90C and in 6-8 years time when I will be due an upgrade, there will be MicroLED and Phosphorescent Blue OLEDs going toe to toe in brightness of 4000 nits TVs and no burn in and probably in 100-150'' sizes.
@@yushkovyaroslav *"Oled is really nice but the best image precision is still LCD."* _What_ in the _world_ are you talking about?
*"Resolution does not mean anything past 1440p."* _What_ in the _world_ are you talking about?
I've been using the 55' LG C1 on my desk for the past couple of years. One of the best PC upgrades I ever made. I don't how I lived with a small 27'' (or smaller) screen for so long before.
How deep is your desk?
@@thejeremyschmit I think about 36'' front to back, so the TV is probably about 30'' from me. It's actually a table but I've used it as a desk for like a decade.
I'm using 55'' 8K LG Nano for about 3 years now and I love it. It's near flawless. Image quality is stunning. The only thing is that 55'' might be slightly too big. 48'' would be perfect, but I wasn't able at that time to find 48'' 8K.
Nonetheless, I'm so happy with that buy, I don't think any multi screen setup is more comfortable for work that just a large screen with Fancy zones (on WIndows).
Divvy is great, however hasn't seen updates in a long time. I have personally moved over to Lasso, and been extremely happy with it. Best of all, it also lets you do by-pixel sizing in addition to the "grid" quick selection. Makes it great when you need to see 1:1 how something would look without scaling.
I would second this Lee. Lasso is great and with a modern UI.
Quickly googled it but didn't see it. Where do I find it?@@AlEbnereza
Thank you for recommending Lasso!
Thanks for the Divvy recommendation - life changing
It is fun I have been using a 48in LG C1 OLED TV as a monitor for a few years now and it has been great. Still no burn-in or any other issues as of yet.
I do a similar setup, but adding 2 small 11.6" or 13.3" 1080P screens underheath tilted upwards would be even better. You can use those as auxiliary screens to put additional windows in.
42" is much better for your table IMO. Not worth going bigger unless you got a crazy deep desk or wallmount.
I have 2x 24" 1080p touchscreens underneath a 48" c3.. the touchscreens are very tilted 😁👍
@@annebokma4637 That can work very well if you have the right desk for it. It would need to be a shallow desk that you can easily look over, and the two 24s are angled up and partly below the desk level. Then the main 48 is eye level. This would be my ideal setup.
Also what's cool is that the two 24s roughly align in width and pixels to the 48. So you're essentially running 3840x3240 which is almost a square display. But this is super useful.
@@GeorgeOu and the 24"s being touch is super handy for controlling the behringer x18, atem, and anything that has sliders and buttons and such
I purchased the same TV for use as a monitor and it is the best monitor I have used. The image quality is fantastic and I also highly recommend it.
The fix for the multiple instances for the same program is a program called Alt-tab. Works just like alt-tab in windows and is amazing for this fix.
I came here to make this same comment and was relieved when someone already had. As someone who moved from windows to Mac in their 30s, alt tab was a lifesaver
Or dashboard
I'm using 55C2 as my monitor for gaming, working, entertainment center... and it was an amazing and very satisfying experience.
This was running for 16 months, not a single hiccup.
Yep. You got exactly the problem I hit up against just using a 43 inch 4k as a monitor.
I thought it would be great, like 4 1080p monitors, *but* the viewing angle gets extreme at the edges. I end up moving myself to get a better viewing angle.
4 1080ps are just better. You can angle them left right *and* up down.
Going on 5 years with an LG 34" 21:9 curved IPS monitor (that replaced two 27" Apple monitors side-by-side). Sure, it's "only" 3440x1400, but I still love it and don't want to replace it anytime soon.
I've been using the Lg 42 c2 oled for a while now and I love it. Not perfect but beats all other monitors i've tried. I came from a 5k Dell prior to the c2 and I am happy. Prints come back good and colors are great when slightly adjusted.
I use a 43" Samsung 4k and 43" LG 4k in a dual monitor setup for my Mac Studio M2 Max. It works great and is amazing for my needs. I'm not doing graphic design or anything that would require color accuracy. It's perfect for mixing and producing music.
My 2 cents - Thanks for sharing - Cheers
I use a 4k 42" Samsung OLED, and I love it. Having that much resolution makes it a lot easier when editing in Premiere.
I've been using an 65" LG C1 oled for years and I love it. I originally started out on a 47" Vizio V series 4k and tv's are the way to go for pc gaming.
I'm currently using a 58" Samsung I was gifted a few months back and I have no real issues with it only being 4k. One of the things I think doesn't get mentioned all that much with displays is the gaps between pixels. I used a Vizio tv for a bit and despite being the same 4k resolution it had a noticeably lower quality image than the Samsung because there was visible gaps between pixels.
yeah it is not surprising that you have no issues with it being 4K since 4K on such a big screen is basically like 1080p on a desktop monitor, which is ABSOLUTELY fine. The dude in the vid is simply spoiled as hell from using 4K on desktop monitors for some time, which is absolutely not needed at all and only gimps your gpu performance...
Yes, I love LG’s OLED TVs. I use their 48 inch as my main monitor at home, it’s great for gaming and all work related to tasks.
Thanks for sharing. Have you faced anything regarding burn-in?
As a stopgap for your dock issues with multiple windows, at least until you get that app developed... I know with the Magic Mouse, 2-finger-double-tap (which usually brings up Mission Control) on top of doc windows, brings up App Expose.
So whatever mouse button you have mapped to Mission Control, try that when mousing over the dock icon.
I'm using the LG OLED 42" objet 4k 120HZ TV mounted on the wall. Best PC screen I've had. I just love the sleek design with the white + grey fabric and the rounded edge in the bottom. The speakers is also awesome. Oled 4k 42" is the sweat spot at the moment.
Clown town.
The chrome dock issue you mentioned can be fixed easily by going to settings > Desktop and Dock > toggle off the "Minimise windows into application icon". Afte that you should be able to see all app windows that you minimise, in the dock as a separate app. Hope I got the problem right. Good luck.
Seems like he missed that comment. Great tip!!
I use the 48" LG Monitor version of this OLED (more PC related features) and am in love. Warning though, you HAVE to eventually sit further back even if its on a larger desk; I was getting bad headaches after a few months and put it on a dedicated stand, no issues now, plus I love having extra desk space.
I've been using a 55" LG C1 for the last few years. I have it on a Rolling TV stand. Makes it much easier to position it just the right distance away. For me it's about 4 ft. The extra foot makes a big difference. Personally I don't use a regular desk. I use a lap desk in my recliner. I have the lap desk sitting on a couple of cheap bar stools that sit right below the TV so all I have to do is lean forward and pick up the lap desk for ease of use.
Have you experienced any burn-in? I just got an S95C and I love it, but I'm really worried about it
@@hassanmesti1251 No burn in. Screensaver is on 1 minute, I also autohide the taskbar.
@@Quaddragon Thank's for the quick reply, I have the screensaver on, but the auto-hide taskbar is annoyingly laggy for me, is it a problem if I leave the taskbar on ?
@@hassanmesti1251 I wouldn't but that's my personal preference. As long as you have the anti burn in stuff enabled in the tv settings you should be ok. Although i did purchase a 5 year extended warranty as well, but haven't needed it.
@@Quaddragon Thanks for the advice! I think I might get an extended warranty too-better safe than sorry. It's really comforting to hear that you've used an TV for years without any burn-in issues.
I have the LG NanoCell 65" 8K TV to use as a monitor. Absolutle love it... my eyes are about a comfortable 2 feet from the screen... feel no need to move back... I can't see the pixels... best computer monitor I've had.
Q1 2024 is when the monitor space will get quite spicy. I rock an lgc1 arm…. But oh man am I excited for the 4k 32in 240hz glossy OLEDs coming!!
I also have done it, but I suggest to place it lower and farther then what you showed: bending the neck for long time can cause you real issues, and the more you can get in your cone of vision the better it is. A desk around 40in deep is a good starting point
I got Aorus FO48U 48" and I've been using it for almost a year. Couple of thoughts:
- 4k at 48" looks alright at around 1 m from the display, but sitting anywhere closer and you start seeing pixels/start losing the sharpness in fonts - wonder how much this improves in 8k,
- 1440p even close still looks very good in most games and difference between 4k is not really worth the lower fps/more expensive PC setup,
- OLED anti-burn in "features" can be quite distracting like aggressive dimming etc. - still, OLED's image quality is totally worth it,
- 48" is big and small at the same time - it's big enough to take almost all of the space on my desk but I still think that 55" or even bigger would be more comfortable for me,
- I haven't noticed any distortion due to the large size of the display,
- TVs are heavy and good luck finding desk VESA arm that'll hold almost 15 kg,
- connected with the weight are stability issues - it's a lot of weight in vertical position and it sometimes can slightly rock forward-backward when you live close to the sources of heavy vibrations (kids :), road with often heavy equipment etc.),
I use a 42inch C2 Oled and I love it! It's amazing as a monitor. My primary use is for FS2020. I hide my menu bar to prevent screen burn. And I don't use any wallpaper.
Same. I do use wallpapers but change them every month. I also move my shortcut icons around every few months. And I have the menu bar hidden but it still leaves 2 lines visible in the lower left of the screen which I'm not happy with. And I have a moving wallpaper enabled that runs after 10 minutes of no activity. And I have enabled Pixel Shift on the TV. And I always power off the TV with the remote so it can run its pixel cleaning. So I should never have burn-in.
I have been running dual 32" 4k monitors for a few years and people think I am nuts for wanting a larger screen, but at my age and having to wear readers, I want the type larger and have been trying to decide if I should add a 3rd monitor or go for a 55" tv. On my 32" monitors I have the scaling set to 125%.
Go for a 3rd screen
Since last 3 years I am on 55" LG OLED set in my studio as my main monitor . This is the best setup I ever had . Absolutely great for photo & video edition . Skeptical at first but I absolutely love it !
The number one thing that has annoyed me about windows after a lifetime with OSX, is the lack of persistent menu bar. So many apps bug out and just don't have a menu or it's decided to hide itself. This is ironically the equivalent of iOS's lack of system wide back button/gesture.
Extremely thorough analysis of using a 4k 55" screen as a monitor in contrast to a muti-monitor setup. Inclusion of the impact on a diverse set of human-factors made this review insighful. Outstanding effort. Added value to making an informed-decision. Thank you for making this video.
I’m an ergonomist and you’re exactly right about the whole vision issue. You’re also going to be twisting your neck both laterally and vertically a lot more which isn’t ideal. Looks like a fun setup though. Curious to see how well the Apple vision pro works for large monitors since you won’t need to change your neck position.
I would put the screen further away and use scaling between 150-200% 👍
I mean TVs are not monitors. They have terrible viewing angles if you are right next to them. They have terrible response time. They dont work well with proper graphics cards (I am not talking about the decade old apple graphics that cant even compete with NVIDIA 1090s) Like if you always used apple and just regular 4k monitors/Apple monitors I can see how one can see it as an upgrade but that is not the current tech by any stretch of the imagination for PC world.
Also there is a proper software to do what he is trying to do, to actually make it 4 different monitors not just a split screen.
@yushkovyaroslav If you watched the video, he clearly stated that OLED viewing angle is not an issue. I can confirm that myself. And also the fact that with LG OLEDs, input lag is not an issue either. I think the idea was not about TVs, more about the new OLED TV tech we have now.
@@anssiaatos Yeah, they are still way worse than real monitors XD. Which are also available for OLED. Not to say big studios still use LCDs because LCD is still better color accuracy, it all depends on the display. Thiers cost starting from like 5k. Dont compare real monitors to regular 4k monitors or apple monitors those are complete trash. Not to mention they have tech that works better with Nvidia cards that are also ages ahead of apple cards. And those monitors are build to work with them. But if you dont care about quality and all you do is photoshop and some basic splicing for videos then I guess its whatever. Its more for like real animation work, cgi and game development.
Also I dont know why is mentioning he is returning it because of how it works with displays looking like singular monitor, well no shit sherlock all you did was enable split screen there is real software that make it actually 2 different monitors. Split screen does not configure your "monitor" properly.
So Idk... clearly this is not a tech channel XD
Oh not mention the refresh rate is abysmal. I mean Ive seen laptops with quadruple the refresh rate. Ok fine if you are not playing/making games then maybe that one is not that important.
But recommending people to buy this over a real OLED monitor, while failing to mention all of these draw backs. Its kind of clownlike lol.
Like ask yourself why no self-respecting dev, animator, cgi artist uses setups like this.
Because these are not real monitors, those are TV's for Netflix XD.
Apple monitors are trash? They're known for creating some of the best (and most expensive) colour accurate monitors on the planet - the Pro Display XDR is very, very good. They're preferred by lots of different post production professionals - from photographers to editors and animators. Of course if you're a professional colourist you're probably going to have to swing for a Sony broadcast display like the new Sony BVM-HX3110. But you might want to mortgage your house because it's going to be over $25K (that's where it's predecessor started). There's really only 3 names - Sony, Eizo and Apple.
Congrats man. Using 55'' C1 or C2 for 1.5 years already. Amazing quality. If it was curved would be even better. Hard to look into corners when working at the table.
I've been using 2 50" tv's as monitors for the past 10+ years at this point. There is nothing wrong with using quality tv's as monitors. Typically they're a cheaper alternative, just make sure that the inputs of the tv have the correct specs to achieve whatever their advertised resolution and refresh rates are. For example a tv with only HDMI 2.0 will not do 8k resolution. However HDMI 2.1 will do up to 10k @ 120hz.
Tvs don't have high DPI which is bad for production and pc workloads. You need high DPI for production. Tvs are for consumption
@@yourbossdonpelyYou don't know what you're talking about. A 50" 4k (3840x2160) has a PPI of 88.12. At the same time a 28" 1080p (1920x1080) only has a PPI of 78.68. Leaving the 50" tv in this example having 10 more pixels per inch.
The only downside to quality tv's over an expensive monitor MIGHT be the G-T-G timing.
Sure there are super expensive monitors that you can have 4k @ 240hz at 32" but, I'm going to tell you that 4k @ 32" is way to small unless you upscale everything so you can actually read it. BTW, that 32" monitor, 1500$, for 1500$ you can buy a 65" 8k @ 120hz miniLED tv, that has the identical PPI of the 32" monitor of ~138.
The most important thing for production is color reproduction and accuracy.
Long story short, pay attention to the specs, their inputs accepted to see if they can even achieve advertised specs and find something that works best for your situation.
I got the setup you talked about. Samsung 55 QLED 900 8K. The issue with the edges went away after I bought a monitor arm and installed the monitor. Now I can tilt back in my chair and my arms rest on the desk while my back is fully supported and the monitor hovers over the desk tilted to match my angle of my head resting on the headrest. There is only one monitor arm that can do that. And it solves all the issues you mention including the issue of the screen size. Check it out, I hope it works for you. Cheers.
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I've been doing that since 2018 I think. The tv is mounted on the wall with a big desk right under. It stays between 3 and 4 feet away and it helped me quite a bit with eye fatigue... For gaming I think size beats density especially at 4k, it's much easier to see small details when this close from a big tv... And for gaming I think 8k is a waste unless people have a 70 inch display or something ridiculous like that...
I have the LG C2 42 inch fir my PC display and i absolutely love it. Best decision I've ever made for my PC.
You can just open one specific chrome window by right clicking on the chrome icon and then clicking on the window you want. It's an extra click as compared to windows, but at least the functionality is there.
Always the answer is oh just an extra few klick or a bunch of extra klick rxactly this is why i say it is anoying...just so unpractikal
been using a LG C2 48" and i adore it, honestly would of liked the 42 more but hey, it was on sale and im happy with it haha.
0:19 I'm curious, what does "perfect" look like? This is a serious question. I feel like society is always chasing perfection. It's like getting a Porsche, then saying, "It's nice, but it's not perfect". I just feel like we are constantly chasing Tech. I question how long can we sustain this need for perfection.
If you look at the overall arc of human history, the pursuit of perfection leads to innovation and the overall improvement of quality of life. For example, while walking was good in many cases, using animals, such as horses or oxen, for transportation improved speed and efficiency. Later on, humans developed boats and ships to enable us to travel over water and therefore go to places that land transportation would not allow. Trains further increased land transportation abilities while cars allowed even more independence. When airplanes were developed, transportation became even faster, while the jet engine made air travel even faster yet and more comfortable. In the future, with the pursuit of perfection, rockets or similar propulsion technology may make travel even faster, allowing a commute between continents to be like commuting from a suburb to the city today.
As long as humanity continues to develop good ideas, we should be able to continue the pursuit of perfection indefinitely. Technological innovation is one of the good aspects about humanity.
Our "pursuit for perfection" is really just consumer demand for higher quality. If you feel like this is becoming more common, what does that tell you about the quality of today's products? We buy items and discard them for newer items, but that is not necessarily because we are restless consumers who just want the next great thing. Quality of design, engineering, and finish have gone down in almost every industry. The Chinese manufacturing mentality has infected every industry now. We make tons of cheap crap, we sell it, people don't like it, so we sell different cheap crap. The actual innovation has plateaued.
I went with a 48in LG Oled for pc and has been the best experience I have ever had. It has a true 120hz refresh as well as HDR. And at the end of the day I can watch my favorite shows and movies from the built in apps.
I’m using a 65” Samsung 8K QN900B as my monitor and I regret NOTHING. The TV is gorgeous, very OLED like. The 8K is fantastic, and YES, you can see the resolution difference when using it as a monitor. I’m very picky about seeing pixels. 8K at 65” has a PPI of 136…high enough for nearly invisible pixels at 12 inches or greater viewing distance. That's even higher than a 42" 4K TV which as a PPI of only 105.
Also it has a standard subpixel structure…essential for clear text without annoying color fringing when using a TV as a Monitor. Haven't seen an OLED yet, even the ones marketed as PC Monitors, that use a standard subpixel structure.
Only if your computer definition is also 8K of course otherwise having a 8K monitor won't change anything. To have a good definition in 8K for a monitor, I wouldn't go over 60", more and you would start to see the pixels, if you use it as you use a computer and not as a TV, and so it would be better if it is curved too.
@@YannR34 True. I'm using a 4090 to power it.
I have an 55" 4K OLED (LG OLED55B7A). The fringing on fine colored text is a result of insufficient signal throughput (4:2:0).
I verified that with enough color information it completely disappears and text looks perfect (And that's at a 24" viewing distance). Because of HDMI 2.0 I had to drop to 30 Hz to test it, but I did verify the concept.
6 month ago I moved from dual monitor setup to 55 inch Sony TV. There are some inconveniences but the amount of space and freedom you get, makes it impossible to go small again.
The 48 in LG C10, on a desk that is 36 in has been the ("best-ever") setup for me. Gamer, and no burn-in after the 3years I have owned it.
Been using a 65" OLED as a monitor on a rolling, adjustable tv stand since 2017 and would not do anything else, absolutely the best!
with the 65" you'd have room for your primary focus window to be large & in charge in the center and still have space on each side for sizeable secondary focus, then arrange smaller tertiary focus windows in whatever is left. I vote go for the 65" 8k and get us a followup video asap
I may have to do this
2:31 Those people are correct!
And the reason you "think" the TV image is better than on your monitor is because of all the "sweeteners" I discussed in my other post, below.
The monitor passes content straight to you, with little or no enhancements(maybe a sharpness control which you can set to minimum or to a calibrated setting).
The image arrives 'flat', or native, with nothing added to or subtracted from it.
After watching the cartoony image of ESPN or Fox through a TV, even with all the crap turned off, I viewed it through a monitor. I was blown away by how delicate and detailed the same channels looked via monitor! It was as though the news anchors were sitting across the room from me, or that I was actually at the golf course watching the invitational from the crowd lines!
It's up to you, but for me, I seek accuracy and realism. A monitor is much closer to that goal than most mainstream consumer televisions.
I think the 42" OLED would tip you over with the pixel density and the eye strain to the corners. I have the older 1080 55 OLED and I am using it from time to time as a monitor. And yes, you cant beat the picture quality. Maybe two 4K 32" high quality OLEDs would serve you perfect too? Best luck!
How can you people use TVs as monitors the response time is soooooooooo slow lmao.
I mean there are a few oled monitors that are probably sharper than TVs but less vibrant I guess but common TVs are not monitors for a reason haha.
I guess MACs are not real computers either but people buy them, so people do some dumb shit out there for no reason, eh to each their own? I guess...
@@yushkovyaroslav you just guess and we calibrate and use…and that the difference😎Enjoy what you have✌️
@@yushkovyaroslavlol he said “not real computers”. Why? Cuz they have a stable OS that helps you forget you’re using a computer? I have yet to encounter a windows machine that doesn’t make me want to throw it through the window.
@@mootsym no because they are slow as shit... what problems did you have with windows? You are probably either very bad or very low end user If you have issues with windows desktops or you think that apple hardware is sufficient. It's ok a lot of people are low ends and apple preys on these people that don't understand what they are doing computer related.
You also dont have to use windows if you dont like it by some reason.
The main issue is that apple hardware is not just years behind but perhaps decades when it comes to high end programs.
So when you buy an apple made computer your really buying a mobile phone roleplaying as a laptop/desktop that cant crack above 10 fps running as a sim server on any decent developer platform. (Where are our windows machines run the same programs loads at 60 tick rate and 200 fps native) as for rendering 3D scenes, if it takes apple desktop 10 minutes to do it, it takes around 30-60 seconds for nvidia rendering cards to do it.
Only reason they are "stable" which by the way not even true... I can easily break their OS by going outside of basic use parameters. But it's also because they cant do anything outside of generic use. And is a very close system that is completely useless unless you plan to use your computer for basic photoshop and social media all day long.
Their OS in short terms is very small and closed environment Hence maybe that's why it might have "less issues" but again if you have issues with other os is because you have 0 idea how computers work.
But even if windows has "issues" no one in professional field or anyone who has any idea what they are buying would choose apple chip over Intel top end chips or nvidia 4090/quadro cards. (Or amd for servers) The difference is just night and day. I mean even 7-10 year old chips assembled properly gave more performance than top end apple chips of 2022. So there really aren't any options there since they are not allowing most of their devices to work with these chips. (No wonder no one would buy their trash then haha) considering they got 4x less cuda cores and non existent slow video memory so you can never get modern video performance or do any proper rendering.
Well gl to you mate and whatever you are using your newly acquired bulky mobile phone for!
But If you ever want a real computer just assemble your own high end pc with proper components and cooling and it will be faster than anything apple you can buy for next 10 years.
And if you hate windows, run linux.
@@yushkovyaroslav .. i think you need to be awakened to the M series of chips. They ain't slow lol.
I've been using the LG C1 with Ergotron HX mount. Love it!
Curved screen would help for corner viewing
Nice. Have been using a similar 55" setup since 2018 but an LG Cinema 3d TV. The splinters and particles pop out of the screen while playing the games. What's more, I also learned that two of the flop movies 'King Arthur: Legend of the Sword' and 'Point Break 2015' when watched using this setup are 3D masterpieces.
Very interesting. I just recently got a new monitor and went the conservative route with an "old tech" BenQ monitor. But obviously OLED has way better contrast. I'll be waiting for dedicated graphics monitors, since the TV size is way too much for me and honestly I would be bothered by the big pixels. Lee, do you mind the glossy surface at all?
@Fstoppers on macOS in the "Desktop & Dock" System Settings you can turn off the "Minimize windows into application icon" setting and this will then place your minimized windows on the right hand side of the dock. Then you can click on them there to bring them back up.
The main problem with oled tvs for monitors is once you turn off the dimming, blurring safety features it will suffer from burn-in really fast (if you don't turn them off it will drive you nuts). I don't use mine as a PC much and only ever to watch movies (not things that stay in the same place). I also haven't turned the safety features off and even when I'm super careful with mine I saw evidence of burn in after just 2 years!
I have the LG C1 as a monitor for the past 2 years. The 48 inch is absolutely perfect for productivity and gaming.
I have two 27" to compare, a 5K and a 4K. I have to tell you the 5K Apple Studio Monitor blows the 4K out of the water. 4K at 55", I am pretty sure there would be no comparison. You really should try the 8K, or perhaps the 32" 6K Apple Pro monitor. Remember, there is far more to high-end monitors than size and resolution. I see things on the 5K Apple display that are simply not there on the 4K, and it is not due to the resolution.
So thankful I found your video, the difference is I will be buying a 65" vs the 55" because I not only play regular video games but RTS and RPG that have a lot of reading as well; also I use it as a main monitor vs my LG 4k monitor that I also have to my right. But, I have another desk in front of my main desk of 22" , so add another 28" and it sits at the back of that. So, from my viewing chair to the screen is 5'. When I watch movies I just recline in my Secret Labs chair. I have been using 1080p ever since it was the best new thing, I am getting ready to upgrade this week along with a new computer. Thanks for the video. From Vizio 1080p 55" (had for over 10 years) to LG 65" C3 OLED
Let's talk about the pixel density *sweet spot*. Usually screens came in 96 to 101 dpi, e-readers at 160 dpi, and mobile phones at sth. like 200+. For font rendering, I find 160 to 165 dpi just perfect; you can have that as 4K+ screen in 27-28 inches.
Tbh I wouldn’t touch anything under 200 if you’re going to be reading a lot of text. It’s painful
I think this is personal preference. I find 32" 4k to be great for 100% scaling. For 8k I think a 40" size would be perfect (220) that would give the "retina" level where people can't see the individual pixels.
@@chidorirasenganz curious what monitor you use that is over 200? I know of only a few and they are all over $2200.
@@deanwilliams433 I use a studio display and prior to that I used an iMac
@@deanwilliams433 You're right in that, given the same resolution, a larger screen can be further away to achieve a desired pixel/view_angle density. Though it has drawbacks such as fall in apparent brightness, and the entire furniture logistics which might not be possible in an office.
i'm running C2 setup, its awesome, OLED is the best part of it.
I also used to see the pixels, but its an indication that you're too close, you should buy special desk that gives you more distance and put the tv right at the edge. After doing that i have great experience with it and no way i can see the pixels.
The lack of HDMI 2.1 in the older Samsung 55" 8k is what stopped me getting one. It's a shame they no longer make 55" 8k. I've been on a 4k AMH A399U since Level1Techs did a review in ~2015. Multi-monitor sucks. I need more physical pixels, 8k it is. Please review the Samsung 65" 8k as there are no reviews as monitors for these panels.
Been on this life for years. First w/ the 55" Samsung Frames, but recently I've updated to the 2nd-gen Ark and the curved screen is a serious game changer for reading the edge-of-screen portions without moving your head
Have tried on trips and with experiments, and you just cannot go back
With how ui works on a computer I wouldn't expect any OLED to last more than a few years without significant burn-in
I have been using an LG OLED since 2016 as a monitor it has been on pretty much every waked hour. With zero burn in it has only gotten better and more even. It works great just do not be stup id. Do not run it at max OLED light until you need it to watch HDR movies for example, and use basic burn in mitigation strategies like screen savers and such and you will be fine. Also do not let sunlight reach the screen UV light kills the screen or wall hang it heat also kills the screen.
Two 42" 4k are working great, I have another station with two 50" 4k but I would recommend staying at 42" or no greater than 50" max...also heavy duty dual monitor gas spring mounts but you will probably need the Vesa adapters. Set for dark mode otherwise too bright and even with two 42" you will sit back from them but no where near as bad as 55".
I have own shop, and I hate people returning staff. The guy in Bestbuy, should refuse the refund. You making him trouble, only you could make your biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig video.
Ive been rocking the 42" C2 for about 2 months now after using a 42" 1080p for almost a decade. Ive built 3 new PCs since I started using the 1080p and the C2 is the best upgrade Ive made in that last decade.
No its not, sry you are wrong
Are you going to elaborate on your opinion?
“Trust me bro” isn’t a credible source.
I have an older LG 55" 4K OLED I use as my gaming monitor. Looks gorgeous...........................but I have the Fallout 3 HUD permanently burnt into the panel now, lol. It's only a mild burn-in, but visible when displaying blue colors. I've used it as a Desktop monitor, and it's crazy the amount of neck moving I have to do.
For day to day, Word, surfing, I found a cheap RCA 42" 4K LCD is doing me just fine. Does not look as good, a bit more washed out for sure, but I don't have to worry about how long I have it on, or what's displaying on it, etc etc, and I don't have to be twisting my head into a pretzel all the time.
Maybe a QLED 42" would be a phenomenal experience?
I did the Samsung 65" 8k for about 6 months earlier. Despite the problems you talked about, I really liked it, just like having 4 32" 4k displays. I split it into two horizontal screen areas, plus two vertical on the sides. Thinking about doing it again, but I would want it curved if that were the case.
About two years ago I was fortunate enought to come into a bit of money. I decided to spend some of it on two LG 32" 4K Curved monitors. I run an Intel I9 Based rig for my business and for pleasure. The monitors were a real eye opener. I would never go back to a single monitor. You raise a valid point with the issue of having a large screen where you are sitting basically an arms length away. You have to pan your head left , right, up, down to see the edges.
I've been using my television as my computer monitor for the last 13 years. I am on my third big screen TV in that time. The first one was 48" and these last two have been 55". I may soon go larger. I'm not dragging you but some of your complaints are extremely petty, such as the placement of the menu bar and the clock. Clearly after 13 years, I am able to chime in about this. I just get the job done. Other than the normal computer usage, I edit videos and compose music. I know where everything I need is on the screen and I just move my eyes around rather than my whole head. When I need to find something new it's still not a problem. The only issue that could become a problem with a larger screen could be seeing multiple moving parts simultaneously. But, I'm thinking that the resolution to that issue would be just to sit further back from the screen. My keyboard and mouse sit on separate portable tables in an L-shape that I can move easily forward or backward as needed. My television is slightly elevated with monitors on either side of it. It's a great setup.
I use dual 43" 4K LG LED based TV's. They work great together and can be angled in. I stayed away from OLED and burn in issues with constant tool bars etc. My new ones will be microLED based TV's as well down the road when one of these breaks. They are color corrected and matched with Spyder system. 👍🤠