@Sp1derman-09 That iron man death sure did numbers for the amount of glazing rdjr gets. What marvel needs to do is have a vision with good stories they want to tell and not hire abusers. Which I suspect is a reason they chose rdjr. They killed 2 birds with one stone.
They should've made Avengers Secret Invasion, which would basically have involved the Skrulls attacking all major countries and then the new Avengers teaming up to defeat them. It would be like the first Avengers film except that instead of the Chitari forces, it would have been the Skrulls. Mavrel would then release 4-5 non-team up films before finally releasing Avengers Doomsday and Avengers Secret Wars.
I think an avengers film before the big 2 would be a perfect way to establish the new team and build their camaraderie if we were to do so i think kang being the villain would be perfect to wrap up his story in an great way and be able to pivot towards doctor doom as the main villain
In all seriousness, captain america 4 should have done the same ss the prior sequel. Not as in a battle, but we could have easily got hulk in it, maybe bucky and I could easily see some street level heroes being able to fit in
Nah I’m fine with it. Only Doom could succeed Thanos. No way you could convince me Kang is a threat, he lost to Loki and Ant-Man. Plus I can’t stand Jonathan Majors’ Planet of the Apes looking ahh.
While not ideal, my only hope is that the Russo brothers can clutch up and give us two masterpieces for avengers doomsday and secret wars, like they did with endgame and infinity war. The only problem is that they have practically squat to work with at the moment (that could change), so each of these movies would have to have a LOT of character building on TOP of the exposition to Doctor Doom’s grand scheme. I’m worried, but the Russo brothers have never missed yet when it comes to marvel, so I got hope.
Don't forget that there was no build up to Doctor Doom unlike Thanos, and a lot of people will not know what is happening or have a conncetion wirh some of the characters because they didn't watch everything, which is near impossible to do now.
You're very right on the Avengers not really having chemistry with each other (perhaps thor & hulk and thor & strange?), but the Avengers and Thunderbolts can have some moments: Ant-man, wasp & Ghost Bucky, Sam & US Agent Yelena, Clint & Kate
Ok the New Avengers team up with Sam, Kamala, Capt Marvel, Ant Man and Wasp has happened in that Marvel Cruise thing. The chemistry felt solid there. But yeah, it should happen atleast once on the big screen as well otherwise the ultimate team up will feel super rushed
I feel like the main characters in doomsday will be the fantastic 4, thunderbolts, the spidermen and maybe deadpool/wolverine. I am pretty sure I have sene somewhere that between doomsday and secret wars there will be movies set in the battleworld so we could see the characters unite there (as well as the previous solo films before doomsday) before secret wars
I agree that we need some movies with the new Avengers before we get another massive two part event but since MCU phase 4 is an unfixable mess Marvel is probably desperate so maybe that is why they are trying to rush towards Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars (thanks alot Fiege)
The show was trash 🚮 and they should never have done Moon Knight, if they weren’t gonna do him right like in the comics, as with plenty of other shows/movies.
I hope they throw in a new avengers movie or series into the phase 5 or phase 6 mix before doomsday and secret wars, there’s also a rumor that secret wars will have a second part to it so doomsday could be that buildup
The next to avenger movies are probably going to be exactly the same in terms of plot to endgame and infinity war, where in doomsday Dr.Doom will somehow defeat them, then small time skip, then the boys get together and whoop his ass
Honestly, I think it canonically makes sense who them not to build as much chemistry. I think The avengers disbanding creates a demand for a super hero team that wasn't there before them. So now people are in more of a rush to put these teams together to take the spot of the avengers
I totally agree with you this is why they should have made a smaller Avengers movie with these chartaters such as a Avenger Secret Invasion movie or just make a movie where they fight Kang and his variants.
I see the concern but the right story I feel can still have so many emotional beats because there’s still so many characters from end game and infinity war that that will lead the new avengers movies and them facing the same person that saved there entire universe can add so many emotional punches. That’s all if written right
and the thing that makes this worse, fact that it was also the case with the saga's big bad. they could make dr doom work like revealing that he manipulated these kangs all along, but we'll just get no personal attachment to it.
I 100% agree with the point about needing smaller scale team ups before the next avengers but at the same time you can imagine marvel seeing that as a risk after infinity war and endgame were seen to have set the standard for an avengers movie, they might’ve thought audiences would be disappointed if the next avengers wasn’t on the same scale. I di think they can still save it tho, tbh one of the best dynamics in infinity war was Thor and the guardians, characters that had never met prior to that movie, so maybe the same could happen with Shang chi, the new captain America and the fantastic 4
You're 100% right. Keep in mind that some of these characters have never even been mentioned since they're debut. Kate bishop and shang chi were introduced like 3 years ago at this point and we haven't gotten any updates on them since
So far the biggest issue is the fact that in less than 2 years we got an Avengers villain so big that he's going to be in 2 Avengers movies and rn the people actually in an Avengers team is Ms Marvel and Kate Bishop. They really didn't give themselves a lot of time to build this new Avengers team up, unless their plan is RDJ's Doom vs Ms Marvel and Kate Bishop.
Doomsday will include the multiverse though I think. Maybe some of the classic avengers will come back as variants from some universe and maybe from even just after endgame happened in there universe.
Even though what you said are valid concerns, I'm still really optimistic about the MCU. As far as the movies go, they have the potential to get 6 back to back hits, including Deadpool and Wolverine.
Disclaimer: I don’t work but my theory is we we’ll see some avengers team up in captain America brave new world. Like hulk , Shang chi maybe war machine she hulk . And for thunder bolts . Sam IRONHEART and other smaller avengers will show up like Kate bishop . As well as in daredevil born again maybe see more heros team up. Shang chi 2 should also have more avengers team up
Honestly I don’t think it’ll be bad. I am almost positive we are getting a trilogy with Doomsday, Secret Wars, and Secret Wars Part 2 (which I think should be renamed Avengers Forever). I don’t think Doomsday really needs to be an “Infinity War” as much as it needs to be an “Avengers” for the new team and Fantastic Four. I think Doomsday also needs to establish Doom in a big way that gives away little but highlights this as HIS movie, the way Avengers does for Loki and Age of Ultron does for Ultron. Because we need to have Doomsday show Doom as a purely evil tyrant. Then have Secret Wars Part 1 have Doom as the underdog antihero type character like Ragnarok ended up being for Loki, as we learn more about his backstory. We think we misunderstood him and are gonna get his redemption and BOOM He takes over here and plants himself as a god, setting himself as the villain of the final movie, but in a way that’s like “there is no other way and if I have to be the bad guy and destroy all of you to keep things together, so be it.” That’s how the movie can be great!
I just think that these two movies will be really long (like 3 hours each) so they can build up everything. But I understand you. It probably won't top iw and endgame but I really wish them to.
with the new characters yeah i agree, when they bring back the older ones i expect that to be who they use for those moments but it sucks marvel didnt do great job with getting us to emotionally care about most of the new characters relations with each other
We are gonna get the avengers in captain America brave new world. The new avengers team will first start small with characters like Sam Wilson, Joaquin Torres, Wong, Bruce banner, shuri, and I think James Rhodes. They will all assemble at the end in the final battle and after that we have gotten our team before the next two avengers movies. Basically brave new world would be avengers 4.5 even though it’s mostly gonna be like winter soldier. Yet in winter soldier we still had black widow, nick fury and Sam Wilson team up with Steve at the end. The new avengers could also show up at the end of thunderbolts or in a post credit scene discussing what’s next
two problems I have with the movies are the timing and how Secret Wars is just one movie. we need build-up to Dr Doom like what they did with Thanos and what they were going to do with Kang. Doom is a complex character, and even id they make Doomsday a really long movie, they're still gonna rush his story if we don't see him in other projects. and before you guys say "but he could make a cameo in F4 First Steps" one movie and obviously one cameo is not enough. That's the problem I find with releasing Doomsday and Secret Wars in 2026 and 2027. one year to build up this character is simply just not enough. We should delay both of these movie to 2027 and 2028 or even 2028 and 2029 I don't have much to say about the other problem, other than I heard that Secret Wars in the comics is way to big of an event to just be one movie. like I know we're getting Doomsday, but I think we need to split Secret Wars into two parts
I reckon they shld do this Thor+hulk+loki Deadpool+volverine and sum x men Maybe 3 spideys dr strange Fantastic4 Thunderbolts Slang chi with moonknight and antman and wasp Shuri with mbaku and that Wanda vision teamup with like maybe flacon and warmachine with them then guardians and problem is solved Did i cook?
Hear me out captain America brave new world if they have like a threat right they will need a help of another avenger sam tries to call bucky but thunderbolts but spider man hears the news since nobody knows whi peter parker is sam is like oh this kid again since remember people dont know who peter parker is but they do remember spider man and if you do remember in civil war they had a very small moment so if they could do that to build up the chemistry with the avengers it would be awsome to see a sam wilson and peter dynamic.
u kidding me? deadpool and wolverine works with adding johnny storm, and plus both deadpool and wolverine havent met elektra and gambit and logan havent meet blade but it still works
This complain is being thrown around a lot but, I genuinely think the Agatha series is unnecessary. It sure looks fun but my concern is that Agatha series is going to be on of the long list of other marvel projects that doesn't play a large part like Secret Invasion, Echo, What if? etc. Instead of introducing new lore they should start tying up those glaring lose ends. Projects like Moon Knight, Eternals, Warewolf by Night, Quantumania etc. went nowhere.
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The thing is I care about these characters individually, but not as a team
I care about both ways.
They should have done a avenger secret invasion movie. With a smaller team because they cant trust everyone.
I think the “trust” will come in SW
I think Secret Invasion was originally planned to be the plot of Captain Marvel 2, before they did a 180 and went ahead with The Marvels.
Robert Downey jr. might not be everybody’s ideal pick, but at the end of the day he’s what marvel needs to keep people watching
fr man
Nice pfp
Deadpool just proved he is not
@Sp1derman-09 That iron man death sure did numbers for the amount of glazing rdjr gets. What marvel needs to do is have a vision with good stories they want to tell and not hire abusers. Which I suspect is a reason they chose rdjr. They killed 2 birds with one stone.
@@haimay5767🤓
They should've made Avengers Secret Invasion, which would basically have involved the Skrulls attacking all major countries and then the new Avengers teaming up to defeat them. It would be like the first Avengers film except that instead of the Chitari forces, it would have been the Skrulls. Mavrel would then release 4-5 non-team up films before finally releasing Avengers Doomsday and Avengers Secret Wars.
secret invasion should have been the smaller scaled avengers movie done good
Yeah or maybe even Kree Skrull war. That arc in the OG comics is a masterpiece
I think an avengers film before the big 2 would be a perfect way to establish the new team and build their camaraderie if we were to do so i think kang being the villain would be perfect to wrap up his story in an great way and be able to pivot towards doctor doom as the main villain
Yeah we see some kind of glimpse of doctor doom in the post credits scene maybe
In all seriousness, captain america 4 should have done the same ss the prior sequel. Not as in a battle, but we could have easily got hulk in it, maybe bucky and I could easily see some street level heroes being able to fit in
I think Hulk will be in it
Let's get some different colour hulk racism!
It isn’t good idea, because it’s Cap’s movie, not Hulk’s
@@vetzmoviesSadly we might get stuck with She-Hulk 🫤
Plus doctor doom is plan B. They didn't plan this they were going with kang and that's what's concerning me
Yeah we've had YEARS of preparation towards big bad kang, whereas with doom we're just thrown into him
but Doom in SW is making more sense than Kang.
Nah I’m fine with it. Only Doom could succeed Thanos. No way you could convince me Kang is a threat, he lost to Loki and Ant-Man. Plus I can’t stand Jonathan Majors’ Planet of the Apes looking ahh.
@@_davidboxing that's racist
I think they should have brought back the she hulk director back, and get the amount of comedy we experienced in the blockbuster Thor 4
It's a joke right?
Yes, but I've started doubting myself
I almost started laughing
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Marvel, hire this man immediately!
While not ideal, my only hope is that the Russo brothers can clutch up and give us two masterpieces for avengers doomsday and secret wars, like they did with endgame and infinity war. The only problem is that they have practically squat to work with at the moment (that could change), so each of these movies would have to have a LOT of character building on TOP of the exposition to Doctor Doom’s grand scheme. I’m worried, but the Russo brothers have never missed yet when it comes to marvel, so I got hope.
Don't forget that there was no build up to Doctor Doom unlike Thanos, and a lot of people will not know what is happening or have a conncetion wirh some of the characters because they didn't watch everything, which is near impossible to do now.
Downey will ask for too much money for them to build him up sadly
You're very right on the Avengers not really having chemistry with each other (perhaps thor & hulk and thor & strange?), but the Avengers and Thunderbolts can have some moments:
Ant-man, wasp & Ghost
Bucky, Sam & US Agent
Yelena, Clint & Kate
Ok the New Avengers team up with Sam, Kamala, Capt Marvel, Ant Man and Wasp has happened in that Marvel Cruise thing. The chemistry felt solid there. But yeah, it should happen atleast once on the big screen as well otherwise the ultimate team up will feel super rushed
I feel like the main characters in doomsday will be the fantastic 4, thunderbolts, the spidermen and maybe deadpool/wolverine. I am pretty sure I have sene somewhere that between doomsday and secret wars there will be movies set in the battleworld so we could see the characters unite there (as well as the previous solo films before doomsday) before secret wars
They should bring ultron back, it’d be so easy to, he always comes back in comics
How would he come back? Vision locked him out of the internet/network and every version of Ultron is dead
@@waltuhputurdaway not in DS2
@@skiesvonax wdym DS2
@@waltuhputurdaway Doctor Strange 2. In 838 earth Ultron succeeded
I agree that we need some movies with the new Avengers before we get another massive two part event but since MCU phase 4 is an unfixable mess Marvel is probably desperate so maybe that is why they are trying to rush towards Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars (thanks alot Fiege)
Don’t blame Fiege, blame Disney for buying Marvel
@@skiesvonax most of the creative decisions are made by Marvel Studios but Disney does share the blame
@@skiesvonaxThe MCU wouldn't even exist if Disney hadn't bought Marvel from Paramount.
@@CrazyMudkip I blame both, Disney because they are incharge for hiring and budget.
I think they should do a Disney plus show called new avengers and have all of them meet up
it's becoming increasingly obvious that moon knight is not going to be in avengers 5 or 6 and i'm realy sad about that :(
Probably in SW
The show was trash 🚮 and they should never have done Moon Knight, if they weren’t gonna do him right like in the comics, as with plenty of other shows/movies.
@@_davidboxing HOW DARE YOU CALL MOON KNIGHT TRASH, IT'S THE SECOND BEST MCU TV SHOW, NEVER COOK AGAIN 🗣❌💯❌🔥❌😭😭🙏
@revilo1340 I agree, but maybe calm down a bit...
Why though?
I hope they throw in a new avengers movie or series into the phase 5 or phase 6 mix before doomsday and secret wars, there’s also a rumor that secret wars will have a second part to it so doomsday could be that buildup
The next to avenger movies are probably going to be exactly the same in terms of plot to endgame and infinity war, where in doomsday Dr.Doom will somehow defeat them, then small time skip, then the boys get together and whoop his ass
Honestly, I think it canonically makes sense who them not to build as much chemistry. I think The avengers disbanding creates a demand for a super hero team that wasn't there before them. So now people are in more of a rush to put these teams together to take the spot of the avengers
I totally agree with you this is why they should have made a smaller Avengers movie with these chartaters such as a Avenger Secret Invasion movie or just make a movie where they fight Kang and his variants.
Thanks for all the great stuff, Love your vids!
I see the concern but the right story I feel can still have so many emotional beats because there’s still so many characters from end game and infinity war that that will lead the new avengers movies and them facing the same person that saved there entire universe can add so many emotional punches. That’s all if written right
and the thing that makes this worse, fact that it was also the case with the saga's big bad. they could make dr doom work like revealing that he manipulated these kangs all along, but we'll just get no personal attachment to it.
I 100% agree with the point about needing smaller scale team ups before the next avengers but at the same time you can imagine marvel seeing that as a risk after infinity war and endgame were seen to have set the standard for an avengers movie, they might’ve thought audiences would be disappointed if the next avengers wasn’t on the same scale. I di think they can still save it tho, tbh one of the best dynamics in infinity war was Thor and the guardians, characters that had never met prior to that movie, so maybe the same could happen with Shang chi, the new captain America and the fantastic 4
You're 100% right. Keep in mind that some of these characters have never even been mentioned since they're debut. Kate bishop and shang chi were introduced like 3 years ago at this point and we haven't gotten any updates on them since
So far the biggest issue is the fact that in less than 2 years we got an Avengers villain so big that he's going to be in 2 Avengers movies and rn the people actually in an Avengers team is Ms Marvel and Kate Bishop. They really didn't give themselves a lot of time to build this new Avengers team up, unless their plan is RDJ's Doom vs Ms Marvel and Kate Bishop.
Imagine they’re hiding a secret avengers project and it releases later this year👀
Probably
infinity saga: gold age
multiverse sags: dark ages
mutant saga?: renaissance?
I'm also fine with RDJ as Doctor Doom but if I had to chose anyone else I would have chosen my first choice Cillian Murphy
Doomsday will include the multiverse though I think.
Maybe some of the classic avengers will come back as variants from some universe and maybe from even just after endgame happened in there universe.
Even though what you said are valid concerns, I'm still really optimistic about the MCU. As far as the movies go, they have the potential to get 6 back to back hits, including Deadpool and Wolverine.
Great vid! You are my biggest inspiration on TH-cam and I hope you have a good day!
And I agree with your opinion.
Will you be ranking all D23 reveals/announcements because I would personally love that.
Oh wait I think you already did that today, thanks :)
Disclaimer: I don’t work but my theory is we we’ll see some avengers team up in captain America brave new world. Like hulk , Shang chi maybe war machine she hulk . And for thunder bolts . Sam IRONHEART and other smaller avengers will show up like Kate bishop . As well as in daredevil born again maybe see more heros team up. Shang chi 2 should also have more avengers team up
0:22 don’t worry it won’t be just this 9 there will be allot more like fantastic 4 and maybe deadpool in secret
Secret Invation should have been an Avengers movie
Honestly I don’t think it’ll be bad. I am almost positive we are getting a trilogy with Doomsday, Secret Wars, and Secret Wars Part 2 (which I think should be renamed Avengers Forever).
I don’t think Doomsday really needs to be an “Infinity War” as much as it needs to be an “Avengers” for the new team and Fantastic Four. I think Doomsday also needs to establish Doom in a big way that gives away little but highlights this as HIS movie, the way Avengers does for Loki and Age of Ultron does for Ultron. Because we need to have Doomsday show Doom as a purely evil tyrant. Then have Secret Wars Part 1 have Doom as the underdog antihero type character like Ragnarok ended up being for Loki, as we learn more about his backstory. We think we misunderstood him and are gonna get his redemption and BOOM He takes over here and plants himself as a god, setting himself as the villain of the final movie, but in a way that’s like “there is no other way and if I have to be the bad guy and destroy all of you to keep things together, so be it.”
That’s how the movie can be great!
I just think that these two movies will be really long (like 3 hours each) so they can build up everything. But I understand you. It probably won't top iw and endgame but I really wish them to.
Thats why imo Kang dynasty should have happened and end kang in that movie by introducing doom and raise the bar
If they bring back old hulk then it would make it 10x better #bringbackhulk
with the new characters yeah i agree, when they bring back the older ones i expect that to be who they use for those moments but it sucks marvel didnt do great job with getting us to emotionally care about most of the new characters relations with each other
We are gonna get the avengers in captain America brave new world. The new avengers team will first start small with characters like Sam Wilson, Joaquin Torres, Wong, Bruce banner, shuri, and I think James Rhodes. They will all assemble at the end in the final battle and after that we have gotten our team before the next two avengers movies. Basically brave new world would be avengers 4.5 even though it’s mostly gonna be like winter soldier. Yet in winter soldier we still had black widow, nick fury and Sam Wilson team up with Steve at the end. The new avengers could also show up at the end of thunderbolts or in a post credit scene discussing what’s next
they should have done a avengers secret invasion instead, or a avengers vs mordok
Hey. Have you seen the new Tales of the TMNT Show? I think a review would be nice though. I haven’t seen it yet.
Spider man, Deadpool (will be great) and hopefully Loki from the season (probably not tho) could come back.
The Hawkeye girl isn't gonna be apart of the main avengers because Mrs marvel is forming her own team which will probably be the Young avengers
Can't argue with dis
Making a lotta sense
Marvel needs to see this
there are a handful of unnamed films maybe one is a new avengers movie
Yeah but before infinity war we didn't see the Guardians interact with any of the avengers though.
I’ve been saying this, Cap needs to form a new team
The biggest problem is the villain is better than the whole hero team.
two problems I have with the movies are the timing and how Secret Wars is just one movie.
we need build-up to Dr Doom like what they did with Thanos and what they were going to do with Kang. Doom is a complex character, and even id they make Doomsday a really long movie, they're still gonna rush his story if we don't see him in other projects. and before you guys say "but he could make a cameo in F4 First Steps" one movie and obviously one cameo is not enough. That's the problem I find with releasing Doomsday and Secret Wars in 2026 and 2027. one year to build up this character is simply just not enough. We should delay both of these movie to 2027 and 2028 or even 2028 and 2029
I don't have much to say about the other problem, other than I heard that Secret Wars in the comics is way to big of an event to just be one movie. like I know we're getting Doomsday, but I think we need to split Secret Wars into two parts
Phase 4 and 5 should have had Avengers films
I think armor wars gonna take care of that
We might not even have Hulk any more,😓
We have She-Hulk 😭😭😭
Bro just called the events of avengers 1 “small scale” 😅
Relatively
We just need a good story
I reckon they shld do this
Thor+hulk+loki
Deadpool+volverine and sum x men
Maybe 3 spideys dr strange
Fantastic4
Thunderbolts
Slang chi with moonknight and antman and wasp
Shuri with mbaku and that
Wanda vision teamup with like maybe flacon and warmachine with them then guardians and problem is solved
Did i cook?
Advengers secret wars is 5 hours long
Anihilus could be perfect for this
Hear me out captain America brave new world if they have like a threat right they will need a help of another avenger sam tries to call bucky but thunderbolts but spider man hears the news since nobody knows whi peter parker is sam is like oh this kid again since remember people dont know who peter parker is but they do remember spider man and if you do remember in civil war they had a very small moment so if they could do that to build up the chemistry with the avengers it would be awsome to see a sam wilson and peter dynamic.
u kidding me? deadpool and wolverine works with adding johnny storm, and plus both deadpool and wolverine havent met elektra and gambit and logan havent meet blade but it still works
Why is kate bishop there she's a young avenger
This complain is being thrown around a lot but, I genuinely think the Agatha series is unnecessary. It sure looks fun but my concern is that Agatha series is going to be on of the long list of other marvel projects that doesn't play a large part like Secret Invasion, Echo, What if? etc. Instead of introducing new lore they should start tying up those glaring lose ends. Projects like Moon Knight, Eternals, Warewolf by Night, Quantumania etc. went nowhere.
you are not wrong.
Hmm...agree to disagree
The New Avengers are more diverse and bigger than the OG six
In Russo Brothers we trust 🙏 💯
Skibidi toilet movie will dominate almost every movie
we needed avengers secret invasion
EXACTLY
8/10 youtube content
Also, no one cares about the new lineup😂
Stop whining so much
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