The reason DCEU is bad is because they wanted to have the same success as Marvel and compete with them in something Marvel started five years before them. Marvel They introduced their most important heroes and then introduced the Avengers. DC was in a hurry to compete. In their belief, using their big names will attract viewers rather than the logical story structure and presentation of characters
fact what they should done it release every superhero solo movie and then had the Justice league and not did superman death and also the top WB it just people in suit, they don't care about their character like Zack literally had to explain the lighting bolt for the flash and Superman black suit and many other cause they didn't get it and this is the same WB that destroy CW cause they didn't let the CW used character and their reason WB didn't want people get confuse with two Batman so they call us dumb
@SoldierSpiderx Exactly, imagine if Marvel hadn't made Iron Man before Avengers, how would you want to make me emotional when he goes into the black hole and it's one of the best scenes in the movie, it would be oh this guy under the iron went into a hole and survived. I also hate it when they treat Superman as if he is the main character and the rest are just his assistants. You have to make every character seem important, such as Iron Man's sacrifices, Black Widow, Hawkeye's attempt to take her place, Hulk destroying his hands, returning them, and add a lot. You won't feel like there is one character who is all about him.
@@BrmRayan I know WB fuck themself up and want Zack to rush everything, if they took their time like they should like after superman movie we should got either a Batman wonder women movie solo and then either have the flash and aquman movie or what I would do I would made a movie with all 3 of them not BVS those that be stupid and see how badass the 3 of them together that WB shot themself in the foot
That remains to be seen. With the jokes of Jackman playing the character til he’s 90, who knows if the Cavillrine makes it past the stage of being a glorified variant cameo.
and DC treated gunn with more grace than the "group-think" shallow mf's at Disney who blip actors at a moment's notice because twitter deemed them a "bad person".
Ya, after I found out the contract rock had which made it so he would never lose a fight, I lost all respect for him, wut kinda ego loving move is that
WB should learn from The Dark Knight's success. What the fans want: - character development - good storytelling - connections between DCEU movies - mature themes but no nudity and gore... 😎 🎥
I love dark knight but i think if they gonna spam dark knight theme for 5 movies i wont watch that lol. Esp for shared universe. Shared universe is supposed to be epic stuff not depressing stuff. And thats the problem. You cant use batman in his depressing film in epic hero gathering hub. Lol
DCEU was never winning. Man of Steel was divisive. Batman v Superman jumbled. Justice League jumbled. The only clear hits they had were Aquaman and the first Wonder Woman movie. Marvel Disney has had more hits with just their Avengers movies than the DCEU had in its entire existence. 😂😂😂😂😏
@@akwilson1676 bruh, how to tell someone that your only introduction to Henry Cavil is from man of steel without telling your only introduction to henry Cavil is from man of steel
wb in 1980: hey we made superman 1978 and it was a hit (proceeds to mess up the sequels, derailing the entire thing) wb in 1992: hey we made batman 89 and returns and they where a hit (proceeds to mess up the sequels, derailing the entire thing) wb in 2002: hey we made the dcau and it was a hit (proceeds to cancel all the shows for no reason) wb in 2013: hey we made the dceu and it was a hit so far (proceeds to interfer and mess it up for no reason) wb in 2015: hey we made the arkham series and the coolest superhero games ever (proceeds to make two live service games nobody wanted) wb in 2019: hey we made doom patrol and people loved it (makes it go under the radar for no reason) wb in 2021: hey we made the best superman show in years, superman and lois (proceeds to cancel it after 4 seasons) wb in 2022: hey wen brought back henry cavill and ben affleck and we are turning things around (proceeds to fire both for no reason) wb in 2023: hey we rebooted the dcamu with the tomorrowverse (proceeds to mees it up and end it before it could get going) warner bros has to be the dumbest studio in all of media, even marvel is trying to do better.
The WB does this alot. They let people be creative, but then they have a hit and THEN ALL the non creative executives and sales teams get involved. Worse yet. DEI directors start giving their input. They take something that works and turn it into a skin suit parody of itself with second guessing and nonsense "creative decisions".
WB is such a shady business I have refrained from consuming their products, their cover up of Erza Miller while fucking over Henry Cavill is disgusting.
2 live service? I know the suicide squad but not know any others. Gotham Knights originally was going to be live service until they changed it last minute which explains the game's nature of being a bit too grindy
WB’s biggest failure was rushing into a justice league movie with most of their characters being mischaracterized and still in the middle of their origin. The biggest thing James Gunn’s DCU has going for it is that most of their heroes have gone through their origins and we’re just gonna jump into their stories. They also put like three of their biggest storylines into BvS and failed.
fact they rush everything and worst the top WB didn't understand none of the characters like Zack had to explain them the flash lighting so WB it run by bunch of suit who only care about money and they rush storyline with Superman death like they just want catch up with marvel so badly didn't care
@@rheokalyke367Marvel/DC films except for Wonder Woman 1 and Aquaman 1 have always skewed male. Even Birds of Prey had a reportedly 54% audience. The Marvels skewed 67% male.
It was clear neither WB or Snyder thought about the longevity of the universe. Snyder’s plan was a saga not different from Harry Potter. It wasn’t a cinematic universe.
Too much of the DCEU was spent rushing to play catchup and not understanding WHY DC and Marvel fans are different. Marvel has always been the popcorn action movie that's lots of fun. You don't have to think too much but if you do, you will be rewarded if you do. Its a great fantasy world for most audience. Contrast that with DC, which tends to skew more mature and lore based. It's not for everyone, but those who do are rabid fans. Movies like The Joker, or the Dark Knight trilogy feel grounded and explainable (as much as comic movies can be explained) versus starting with fantasy. I personally watch Marvel movies for fun with my family, while I watch DC movies dig deep in comics. Example. I loved The Watchmen. Its not a movie for everyone but its a movie that really was awesome despite lack of box office success. A good way to sum up DC vs Marvel is Marvel = Hollywood Blockbusters, DC = Indie movie Quentin Tarantino flick.
If you think Zack Snyder is bad, just remember Walter Hamada who wants to replace Superman and Batman with Supergirl and Batgirl, and no straight vision in releasing movies.
After Man of Steel next should have been Man of Steel 2 where they would have shown how Superman is feeling guilty of taking a life and on the other hand Clark Kent as a reporter covering the devastation his fight caused in metropolis realising how important it is to hold back. This would have meant two things 1) Superman would have been a leader in JL who ensures that his teammates don't go bonkers with their powers 2) Batman would have been the one who on the other hand ensures that the JL crosses the line whenever it is important because of his past where Robin died because he didn't cross it
Nah,the next film should have been a Batman movie set like 6months before mos and for post credit scene have Batman in the batcave witching zod's message. After that the next movie should have been BvS but with a better plot . Chapter 1 should have been like this: - Man of steel - Batman - Batman v Superman - Wonder woman - The flash - Justice league
"The DCEU used to gross between 800 million and 1 billion PER MOVIE at the box office." That's a bit of a stretch 😂 only 3 DCEU movies made between 800 million - 1 billion (out of 15 films).
- Not using the Nolanverse - Fumbling Green Lantern - Not using the Flash show - Using Zack Snyder for Superman Yeah, they fucked up every single step right at the beginning
@@bofawhatsbofa4593 spoken like a true executive. Dollars is all they care about, and that desperation causes them to meddle and meddle until the creative vision is gone and its a corporate product on an assembly line
@@richborn6700 think you misunderstand. They had the vision under Snyder. Love it or hate it. But his films made $ and were leading somewhere even with all the constant meddling. But under Walter Hamada (post Aquaman) we got 8 financial flops
The 2 biggest things that killed the DCEU was stupid executives who don't know the first thing about how to make a movie, who demanded Zack cut out half and hour from BVS as well as the rest of what happened to suicide squad and JL. But the biggest death blow was people's lack of media literacy skills.
@marcusluera89 then make a movie and I'll respect you. Also you're hating on Snyder but you have INJUSTICE Superman as your profile pic. Nothing you say is valid
@silverstrike5904 he can't simply smile for the sake of it. The smiling has to fit with the context and setting at hand. There was nothing to smile about where invaders are destroying the Earth. Just as he had no choice but to kill Zod, because it was either that or everyone on Earth. The red panties on the outside look horrendous. People need to grow-up.
@@silverstrike5904Superman also killed zod in superman 2 and no one complained.Also i don't get why the trunks are a point of contention for a lot of people.Truth is,it works whether superman wears trunks or not.
Rebooting was the best thing DC could have done. Saving the DCEU was like fixing a sandcastle as waves were crumbling it. With Gunn behind the wheel, I think the DCU will be a competitor to Marvel. Though they still need to put in the work, they can't rely on name and Marvel sucess alone anymore I predict Superman and Fantastic Four are going to be on par with eachother next year, fitting for two franchises that haven't been done justice in decades
@@juniorgamersfire1184, yes yes, we can laugh at the Snyder stans who thought the DCU was dead on arrival for no reason, but only after the movie comes out lol
Just take inspiration from the DCAU why the hell is that so hard? The DCAU gave us definitive adaptations of DC's most beloved superheroes. Superman: The Animated Series, Batman: The Animated Series, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited are better than any DCEU film. Why is it so hard for Warner Brothers to get it right? Hire people that actually care about the source material not edgelord hacks like Zack Snyder. It's like Warner Brothers wants DC to be in Marvel's shadow for eternity. It's frustrating being a DC fan.
@@mrheadcannon you need fact check yourself you said dc blatantly was ahead of marvel is somewhat false.And yet it was only Batman in the 1990s and 2000s and early Superman when look attempted to push its heroes into mainstream media movies, games, and such marvels. Even before the mcu, spiderman xmen hulk, blade, ff even Daredevil had movies and shows in the same period WB was hesitant without Batman/superman. The exceptions to that were Teen Titans and Vertigo Imprint movies, which did not even know they were DC.
19:48, Yes, losing Superman was unfortunate; however, that wasn't just some random 70-year-old in the role of Bruce Wayne. That was Michael Keaton, the original Batman from Batman '89; and he kicked @ss in The Flash. Put some respect on that.
Too bad he didn't kick ass in Batman in 89. I attended the Batman premiere in Hollywood in '89 and I remember the rumblings in the audience about how miscast he was. The only reason he was cast at all was because the WB suits were so hellbent on Burton directing (because they wanted Gotham to be dark and gritty and "nobody does dark and gritty like Tim Burton") and Burton is incapable of working with anyone he hasn't worked with before. And he'd just completed Beetlejuice with guess who. There was still a lot of leftover Beetlejuice in Keaton's Batman performance. Happily, Keaton has improved considerably over the years.
Suicide squad 2 was great and the only reason it didn't do great at the box office was because suicide squad 1 sucked. Peacemaker was also fantastic and this is why i think James Gunn's DCU is going to be great, he has already proven he can do good DC movies.
Just love DCAU. Incredible movies. 1) Batman: Under the Red Hood 2) Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths 3) Superman/Batman: Public Enemies 4) Superman/Batman: Apocalypse 5) Batman: Year One 6) Justice League: Doom 7) Batman: The Dark Knight Returns - Part 1 & 2 8) Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox
It would've made sense for the brand and continuity, but Warner invested around 530 million in those movies. They couldn't scrap them, because they wanted to get SOME of that money back.
@mrheadcannon Absolutely agree and understand 100% from a business perspective. Those movies I couldn't hold against David Zaslav or James Gunn because, more than anything, they inherited disasters. They sang The Flash's praises, yes, but it's like you said: They wanted to make some money back from that movie. In the business world, even if you know a movie's average at best, until its release, you prop it up as much as humanly possible.
@@Peacemaker2024-A9T If it was up to WB Discovery, that movie doesn't even happen. But at that time, only so much could be done with WarnerMedia and Ann Sarnoff calling the shots.
DCEU couldn't fall, since it never really rise. Some DC movies did well, but once they started to make it a coherent cinematic universe, it failed miserably, maybe with the exception of Wonder Woman.
A few things: Thor is not the second MCU movie. The Incredible Hulk is. Thor is fourth after Iron-Man 2. Man of Steel came out in 2013 after The Dark Knight Rises, not The Dark Knight. Other than that, great vid!
DC was impatient. Just start with that Superman. Same wonderwoman movie, then a stand-alone Batman movie. Follow that up with a better flash casting and his . Aquaman then do JL introducing Cyborg. Choose someone more recognizable as a villain, maybe brainiac or someone more known, not Steppenwolf. Leave only hints of Darkseid.
Exactly, instead of throughing a bunch of important characters, build the hype and development. Like Man of Steel was a perfect start and then you could've made a stand alone batman movie. Then Wonder Woman and maybe a second sequel to one of thos movies. Then when realising the Justice League your main characters are developed. And introduce a casual but good villian to kick of the Jutice League. Corruption and no trust and no accurate planing is where this universe falm short, while trying to be like Marvel. Making a great independent name is what we all want for the DCEU
For Aqua Man 2 a very important impact on views had the trial amber and jd had. Some people cancelled aqua man 2 because of their role adding more pressure to dc ppl
Despite DC being at a disadvantage, they had the tools to make a comeback: -Had the rights to all heroes, unlike Marvel. -They have the talented writers and actors. -Like Marvel, also had infinite money. But WB had to fumble hard.
Studio interference, has no idea how to focus on somebody who wasn’t Suoerman or Batman, constantly trying and failing to compete with the MCU, multiple box office bombs, and I can probably name off some more problems.
the fact dc brand always built on Superman/batman even before mcu marvel through licensing its products other studios like sony, fox, newline made movies for blade, ff xmen spiderman hulk all before dc even put out a ww movie. @starsmith3810
ngl i really do have hope for superman: gunn works well w a more wholesome kinda vibe and the problem with synder's version is that he loved emo-ifying everything to the point where all the characters just felt the same and very one dimensional. Imo sticking to the og aka the comics (which gunn is a huge fan of) is definitely a lot better
There was never a rise to the DC universe, unless you’re counting the Dark Knight Trilogy People just hyped it up because it was based on something already popular
The DCEU was doomed once BvS was released and rejected by the general audience. Under normal circumstances, the rest of the franchise would have been cancelled, see Universal's Dark Universe. Unfortunately for WB, a cinematic universe is a big thing to stop since multiple films are already in various stages of production. Suicide Squad was nearing completion. Production of Wonder Woman was done. Unfortunately for WB, Justice League was getting ready for production in just a few weeks. This is why Snyder was kept on as director, albeit with heavy supervision.
It never had a rise it was instantly controversial. I knew so many ppl who would’ve watched BVS and were excited but didn’t cuz of bad reviews. It died right there
The release of Zack Snyder's JL actually had very little to do with the Release the Snyder Cut movement. It was actually a perfect storm of no less than 4 things: 1) The pandemic and lockdown. 2) The resulting loss of income to the major studios. 3) The AT&T purchase of WB and their decision to turn to streaming as an alternate source of income. 4) AT&T's willingness to sink major bucks into this cut. If you remove any one of those things, this cut of the film would have _never_ happened.
They wanted to base their cinematic universe on the vision of a Director who doesn’t believe in heroes. Snyder fundamentally doesn’t understand or even like the very concept of a superhero that altruistically help people. You can look up videos of him saying you live in a “Dream world” if you don’t think Superman if he existed wouldn’t kill or be morally bankrupt.
There was no RISE of DCEU . First Superman movie, First Batman movie & the Nolan trilogy. Entire DC movie world is close to nothing. Man of Steel and BvS were frustrating to watch even if they had a few highlights. Justice League was pathetic. Snyder cut helped but what done is done. Entire DCEU is a goddamn mess nobody knows how to fix. WB/DC had to just hire their team from DCAU to script. And they didnt even bother to think of future. They kept rebooting Superman and Batman with no end goal. Marvel steadily built MCU from 2008. By the time Avengers came out, DC was far behind and they tried to force entire world in a few years with no preparation burdening everything on Snyder. How much can one man write and direct; DC world as big as Marvel. Two Suicide Squads came out with. Two batmen. An all powerful flash which may not return. Killed off the God level Dr Fate. James Gunn, WB and DC are clueless and its not reaching anywhere.
Warner Bros. currently only manages to make decent Batman movies, which are often even better than many Marvel movies, even if Batman works great, as does Spider-Man, it doesn't mean that they don't think anymore about making a decent DC universe in MCU style, then they have to know that quality > quantity
I'm still shocked you didn't cover Flash's Actor acting like a whole sociopath for the longest while. The movie was bad but his general behavior didn't help anything.
Superman has so many good stories from a century of published comics but movie makers are obsessed with killing him and using him as a punching bag. Just as Disney denies the Star Wars extended universe to draw inspiration from, Warner Bros refuses to look into Superman's comics or use any other villain besides Lex and Zod (that Doomsday in BvS was not Doomsday. It was a crap imitation). Also Batman: The Dark Knight Returns isn't really a good story. It's a niche story that only a few, loud fans adore but keeps potential newcomers and enjoyers from engaging in comics; the kind of comic that makes comic book stores feel like XXX stores. Honestly an adaptation of Superman/Batman: Public Enemies would have been great to see on the big screen.
Henry Cavill was great as Superman but more like an alternative universe version of Superman, Zack made him into a Batman with superpowers, in the same way, that Batman and Robyn killed Batman for trying to make him into a light-hearted character, Zack did the inverse by trying to make superman into a dramatic act, Christopher Reeve still is the only one that managed to capture The Superman persona and Clark Kent perfectly from the Comics, yes, of course, it needs to bring him to the 21 century, but he will never be that depressed traumatized character, he is not Batman, it doesn't work for him be like that otherwise he would turn into a Homelander type, so I think this new Superman coming up next year maybe DC trying to go back to basics, I will miss Gal Gadot as wonder woman, she was the perfect incarnation of WW based on George Perez run with the character in the 80s ( who re-created WW from scratch and turned her into a serious character instead of just eye candy ) The first WW was almost perfection ( excepting that CGI ending ) but that was a great base to carry her on for long, but the second movie tried to bring that Linda Carter silllyness back, which as amazing in the 70s , but would not work today, and killed Gal version of the character, but she still the perfect interpretation of Wonder Woman, so will be one hard to recast
Fr bro. It hit me so hard when they told they were going to reboot the universe. They should have instead focused on bringing back the quality in their movies. I for myself was eagerly waiting for Wonder Woman 3 and justice league 2 with darkseid. The fact that they did Not treat gal gadot and henry cavill just goes on to show how bad as a franchise they were
@@Bobbyfischer89 I really wanted to watch where things were going, especially after watching the Zack cut of Justice League, all the problems were fixable, they should let him conclude his vision then start from scratch if that is what they really wanted to to do
@@dragonnet289he wasn't. He didn't even know anything about characters like Superman was supposed to be a charming and kind character but he showed him evil and also showed superman so powerful that no one on JL could defeat him. I am glad he's gone now
To our surprise, wb let nolan leave them. He could've been a reason for DCEU revival but here we are. Nolan with Universal and not doing anything with wb now. They got so many chances to revive DCEU but messed every single chance. At this point, it feels like no one's interested with their crap anymore. Being a fan it hurts, but can't do much about it other than watching standalone movies like Pattinson's Batman, Joaquin's Joker and others
The Dark Knight was released in theaters in July 2008. I remember specifically bc it was the day of my birthday and I went to see it that day. Man of Steel was released in 2013, 5 years later. Just thought I'd correct that little tid bit.
I'm 90% sure that Man of Steel wasn't even supposed to be the beginning but Green Lantern was instead. 😂 Then they changed their mind and decided Man of Steel would ACTUALLY be the beginning of the DCEU after GL was so poorly received. 🤦♂️ If that is right then damn. What a poor omen from the start!
DC universe had a lot of potential, they could have been more successful than the marvel universe. But unfortunately the lack of stability ruined everything
thats kinda irrelevant. the dcau is more niche for superhero fans. the mcu was so big that it created more superhero fans and catered to mainstream audiences. so while i can believe you that the quality of the dcau is better, the mcu is bigger in terms of fictional media, the bigger it is the more money they make to create even more content. even tho yea the high demand for marvel content increased and basically killed the quality of the universe, theres no denying that the mcu at one point was the biggest superhero universe that overshadowed any media dc has put out. dc's biggest supporters were superhero fans, marvels biggest supporters was the entire world
What was left out is Man of Steel was produced by Nolan’s production company. He and Goyer wrote the story and script, Snyder only directed the film. After that, Nolan left and Snyder was left in charge. That’s where things went wrong.
@@Doggo_is_sus BvS was a critical failure, it’s worse than a “meh”. Critics AND general audiences thought it was trash and it was. The storytelling was abysmal.
DC, competing with Marvel, had to set another tone. Marvel was family friendly in the early days, where the most you'd see is a small cut across a nose or a bruise on a cheek. Their violence, while explosive, felt pulled back as to not offend parents so that kids could see it. DC saw an untapped market. If Marvel was pandering toward literal children and parents, then DC would go after those who craved a darker, more gritty, deadlier, violent universe. Remember, Dark Knight was a success. And while not related to DC and Marvel, other violent shows and movies were creating empires on bodies. So it made sense. The general audience craves violence, and they aren't getting it from Marvel. So that's their market. Unfortunately for them, we wanted comic stories. And while comics are violent and bloody and graphic, we didn't want to see that. We wanted to see our beloved heros being HEROS. Not murderous psychopathic villains. We fell in love with The Punisher, Logan and Deadpool only after a decade and a half of cautiously easing into violence going from a small cut across Tony's nose to Cap having his face crushed in by Bucky to watching Thanos literally be decapitated. Marvel eased into the violence over what, 16 years? DC gave Batman some machine guns and said whatever happens, happens. Today, the world would be willing and accepting of a DC Dark universe. But back then? Absolutely not. It was the departure of tone that put the final nail in the coffin for the DCU. And, unfortunately, that final nail... was laid first.
One major case for why DCEU fell was because they wanted to compete side by side with MCU even though the latter was already 5 years into existence when Man of Steel was released and was already at the start of in Phase 3 with 13 movies when DCEU released their only second movie yet decided to have Batman vs Superman be the main story to compete against Captain America: Civil War that ignores how the latter had a lot of build up to that film while the former had almost nothing to justify a story like that too quick. And once that movie became a massive disappointment Warner execs outright destroyed the panic button with how hard they smashed it by making extreme changes to the Suicide Squad that was supposed to come out in 2016 which resulted in that movie being an utter mess. And then of course there was Justice League 2017, a movie that more or less destroyed any chance of DCEU recovering due to extensive rewrites and re-shoots under Joss Whedon that resulted in a flaccid film, one that saw Ben Affleck and Henry Cavil leave the DCEU afterwards and pretty much threw away any and all plans for future Justice League movies with everyone being back to where they were before. By that point it was beyond saving and the whole thing being rebooted was the only sensible option.
Dc should have this characters in thier universe 1)Batman 2)Superman 3)Flash 4) Aquaman 5) Wonder woman 6) Death stroke 7)Green lantern 8)Green Arrow 9) Shazam 10) Black Adam 11) They should introduce new black and shazham green lantern in second face.
Teen Titans would be a better teen movie hero now... first film will be Batman will assign Robin to recruit young heroes for minor missions (Street Level) so the Justice League can focus on big missions then Robin recruits Cyborg and Beastboy where they ended up fighting a major villain (Slade) and the H.I.V.E. academy. second film will be Raven joining them where his dad is the villain then Nightwing and Kid Flash will join them third film will introduce Starfire where her sister as the big bad and also introduce Terra fourth film will be the titans will discover the brotherhood of evil and the return of H.I.V.E. academy also the titans will gain some allies like Red star or the Doom patrol final film will be the return of Slade and Robin has to face him together with Nightwing and Batman (Also Terra's betrayal)
Yes, we do know what's canon for the new DCU. James Gunn has specifically said that _Creature Commandos_ and _Superman_ are the beginning. Nothing before them counts.
For me: Man of Steel Wonder Woman Aquaman Batman V Superman Justice League Snyder Cut And that's it cause I don't know wtf they were thinking with everything else
BvS was a critical failure. Garbage. Man of Steel had some issues but was definitely a decent Sci-Fi film. ZSJL was marginally better than the theatrical cut, I’d say it was ok.
Dceu needs more depth in their character More character development Contradiction in Philosophy of heroes and villians For gruesome fighting scenes they sacrificed character developement Depth in their ideologies. Action scenes are top no doubt but for elder audience they need a perfect mental duel between heroes and villians . Last but not the least their one of the biggest villians darkseid can't even talk.
@@Doggo_is_sus “Amazing” is a stretch, ironically Batman was the most aesthetically appealing despite being a terrible iteration of the character. Barry was trash and weird. Superman had some issues. Wonder Woman and Cyborg were brilliant
Okay but Batman vs Superman was really good movie I loved it . I never liked Batman before but after this movie Batman became my one of the favourite character, challenging God like entity.
I feel that honestly. Zack synder played a huge part in this failure. Gosh when i went in to watch BvS it was literally the first movie where i legit fell asleep
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The reason DCEU is bad is because they wanted to have the same success as Marvel and compete with them in something Marvel started five years before them. Marvel They introduced their most important heroes and then introduced the Avengers. DC was in a hurry to compete. In their belief, using their big names will attract viewers rather than the logical story structure and presentation of characters
Well said
fact what they should done it release every superhero solo movie and then had the Justice league and not did superman death and also the top WB it just people in suit, they don't care about their character like Zack literally had to explain the lighting bolt for the flash and Superman black suit and many other cause they didn't get it and this is the same WB that destroy CW cause they didn't let the CW used character and their reason WB didn't want people get confuse with two Batman so they call us dumb
@SoldierSpiderx Exactly, imagine if Marvel hadn't made Iron Man before Avengers, how would you want to make me emotional when he goes into the black hole and it's one of the best scenes in the movie, it would be oh this guy under the iron went into a hole and survived. I also hate it when they treat Superman as if he is the main character and the rest are just his assistants. You have to make every character seem important, such as Iron Man's sacrifices, Black Widow, Hawkeye's attempt to take her place, Hulk destroying his hands, returning them, and add a lot. You won't feel like there is one character who is all about him.
@@BrmRayan I know WB fuck themself up and want Zack to rush everything, if they took their time like they should like after superman movie we should got either a Batman wonder women movie solo and then either have the flash and aquman movie or what I would do I would made a movie with all 3 of them not BVS those that be stupid and see how badass the 3 of them together that WB shot themself in the foot
The mistake was Zack
Fucking Marvel treated Henry Cavil with more respect than Warner Bros. DC, and those hacks writing for The Witcher
That remains to be seen. With the jokes of Jackman playing the character til he’s 90, who knows if the Cavillrine makes it past the stage of being a glorified variant cameo.
Facts, I'll never forgive them for ruining The Witcher... Cavil was the perfect actor for it too
and DC treated gunn with more grace than the "group-think" shallow mf's at Disney who blip actors at a moment's notice because twitter deemed them a "bad person".
A ten second cameo?
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That 10 second cameo paid a lot more respect to him than his entire career at WB.
Black adam is 39% on rotten tomatoes. It was purly created to satisfy the Rock's ego. Every creative decision was taken with his directive
Yea he basically directed the movie
Ya, after I found out the contract rock had which made it so he would never lose a fight, I lost all respect for him, wut kinda ego loving move is that
@@moharshad6882yeah shows he’s not really an actor and cares about the character but only cares about himself
True
I guess thats why the story line was even bad
WB should learn from The Dark Knight's success. What the fans want:
- character development
- good storytelling
- connections between DCEU movies
- mature themes but no nudity and gore... 😎 🎥
DCEU is no more
They did draw inspiration from TDK
That's the problem , they focused on the DARK part of the equation too heavily
I love dark knight but i think if they gonna spam dark knight theme for 5 movies i wont watch that lol. Esp for shared universe.
Shared universe is supposed to be epic stuff not depressing stuff. And thats the problem. You cant use batman in his depressing film in epic hero gathering hub. Lol
"What the fans want" - "no gore" you mean what softies want? 😂 superhero films really lack gore from the early 2000s and keep making PG13 messes
DCEU was never winning.
Man of Steel was divisive. Batman v Superman jumbled. Justice League jumbled. The only clear hits they had were Aquaman and the first Wonder Woman movie. Marvel Disney has had more hits with just their Avengers movies than the DCEU had in its entire existence.
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DC stole James Gunn from Marvel, and Marvel stole Henry Cavil from DC
"Perfectly balanced, as all things should be" -Thanos
Well I mean good luck to Marvel I guess. Hiring an actor who has nothing but his looks.
Pretty sure DC had the far better deal
@@akwilson1676 bruh, how to tell someone that your only introduction to Henry Cavil is from man of steel without telling your only introduction to henry Cavil is from man of steel
@@Mr.Capitalism He is bad at everything he touches but keep telling yourself that.
@@akwilson1676 I smell bias bro, is all am saying, if he was only used for his looks he would have been given more roles in romcoms than action movies
wb in 1980: hey we made superman 1978 and it was a hit (proceeds to mess up the sequels, derailing the entire thing)
wb in 1992: hey we made batman 89 and returns and they where a hit (proceeds to mess up the sequels, derailing the entire thing)
wb in 2002: hey we made the dcau and it was a hit (proceeds to cancel all the shows for no reason)
wb in 2013: hey we made the dceu and it was a hit so far (proceeds to interfer and mess it up for no reason)
wb in 2015: hey we made the arkham series and the coolest superhero games ever (proceeds to make two live service games nobody wanted)
wb in 2019: hey we made doom patrol and people loved it (makes it go under the radar for no reason)
wb in 2021: hey we made the best superman show in years, superman and lois (proceeds to cancel it after 4 seasons)
wb in 2022: hey wen brought back henry cavill and ben affleck and we are turning things around (proceeds to fire both for no reason)
wb in 2023: hey we rebooted the dcamu with the tomorrowverse (proceeds to mees it up and end it before it could get going)
warner bros has to be the dumbest studio in all of media, even marvel is trying to do better.
The WB does this alot. They let people be creative, but then they have a hit and THEN ALL the non creative executives and sales teams get involved. Worse yet. DEI directors start giving their input. They take something that works and turn it into a skin suit parody of itself with second guessing and nonsense "creative decisions".
This is so accurate. 💯
WB is such a shady business I have refrained from consuming their products, their cover up of Erza Miller while fucking over Henry Cavill is disgusting.
2 live service? I know the suicide squad but not know any others. Gotham Knights originally was going to be live service until they changed it last minute which explains the game's nature of being a bit too grindy
@@nightwish1453 multiverses
WB’s biggest failure was rushing into a justice league movie with most of their characters being mischaracterized and still in the middle of their origin. The biggest thing James Gunn’s DCU has going for it is that most of their heroes have gone through their origins and we’re just gonna jump into their stories. They also put like three of their biggest storylines into BvS and failed.
WBs is doomed to fail, with increasing illegal immigrants and violence and lack of police action. Communism is another thing that never let WB grow.
fact they rush everything and worst the top WB didn't understand none of the characters like Zack had to explain them the flash lighting so WB it run by bunch of suit who only care about money and they rush storyline with Superman death like they just want catch up with marvel so badly didn't care
Umm honestl6 Zack Snyder’s movie was still gold
@@Mysterious-Universe001nah his films are garbage
I don't want DC in the style of Guardians of the Galaxy, they don't like that style.
James Hanna's Suicide Squad is shit.
Imagine firing Henry Cavill while retaining Ezra Miller. what a joke!
Later, henry cavill join marvel as one of wolverine alternate universe
Well we should not mix personal life of actors with characters
also ezra recently got cases with drawn from him
Yea facts
It's because Ezra Miller is the son of a WB executive. It's almost never about what makes sense but what someone in charge wants.
Ezra is also gone btw
One big mistake is thinking that Harley's fans are female.
😂😂😂😂😂
Well I'm a woman so. . .
@@rheokalyke367Marvel/DC films except for Wonder Woman 1 and Aquaman 1 have always skewed male. Even Birds of Prey had a reportedly 54% audience. The Marvels skewed 67% male.
Yes, we exist.
@@rheokalyke367 One big mistake is thinking that Harley's fans are majorly female
It was clear neither WB or Snyder thought about the longevity of the universe. Snyder’s plan was a saga not different from Harry Potter. It wasn’t a cinematic universe.
I mean when you got executive rushing and in your ear to make a new movie to compete with mcu ofc. He thought the longevity of the universe
@@raymondmadrid snyder is just bad. he was given creative freedom to make his version of the mcu on netflix and it was in no uncertain terms very bad.
@@rookooful which one are you referring army of the dead??
@@rookoofulam sorry Snyder cut was good
Finally someone gets it
Too much of the DCEU was spent rushing to play catchup and not understanding WHY DC and Marvel fans are different. Marvel has always been the popcorn action movie that's lots of fun. You don't have to think too much but if you do, you will be rewarded if you do. Its a great fantasy world for most audience. Contrast that with DC, which tends to skew more mature and lore based. It's not for everyone, but those who do are rabid fans. Movies like The Joker, or the Dark Knight trilogy feel grounded and explainable (as much as comic movies can be explained) versus starting with fantasy. I personally watch Marvel movies for fun with my family, while I watch DC movies dig deep in comics. Example. I loved The Watchmen. Its not a movie for everyone but its a movie that really was awesome despite lack of box office success. A good way to sum up DC vs Marvel is Marvel = Hollywood Blockbusters, DC = Indie movie Quentin Tarantino flick.
they tryin to chatch up ending up never gonna ever
If you think Zack Snyder is bad, just remember Walter Hamada who wants to replace Superman and Batman with Supergirl and Batgirl, and no straight vision in releasing movies.
Zack is a great director. BVS ultimate cut is still one of my favorite superhero movies.
man I think you don't know his original plan was to make Bruse and Louis couple
which was beyond anyone can imagine
@@Jarif_Hasan_628it was a scrapped plan that was never going to actually happen
@@Jarif_Hasan_628 but still Walter Hamada is far more worse than Zack Snyder.
@@tafzilnayeem3724bro that movie is still an L 😭
After Man of Steel next should have been Man of Steel 2 where they would have shown how Superman is feeling guilty of taking a life and on the other hand Clark Kent as a reporter covering the devastation his fight caused in metropolis realising how important it is to hold back.
This would have meant two things
1) Superman would have been a leader in JL who ensures that his teammates don't go bonkers with their powers
2) Batman would have been the one who on the other hand ensures that the JL crosses the line whenever it is important because of his past where Robin died because he didn't cross it
Nah,the next film should have been a Batman movie set like 6months before mos and for post credit scene have Batman in the batcave witching zod's message.
After that the next movie should have been BvS but with a better plot .
Chapter 1 should have been like this:
- Man of steel
- Batman
- Batman v Superman
- Wonder woman
- The flash
- Justice league
"The DCEU used to gross between 800 million and 1 billion PER MOVIE at the box office."
That's a bit of a stretch 😂 only 3 DCEU movies made between 800 million - 1 billion (out of 15 films).
Out of 6 movie (MOS to Aquaman)
All under Snyder’s thumb
In the starting when DC was dark, it was earning but DC wanted a joke
@@tafzilnayeem3724WB wanted the DCEU to be the MCU, WB is the joke.
- Not using the Nolanverse
- Fumbling Green Lantern
- Not using the Flash show
- Using Zack Snyder for Superman
Yeah, they fucked up every single step right at the beginning
Snyder's Superman was good.
@@Doggo_is_sus 🤣
@@LostSoulSilver what's funny
@@Doggo_is_sus Your tastes
@@LostSoulSilver I thought you were looking at a mirror
"Rise and Fall of DCEU."
Dude, THERE WAS NEVER A RISE.
The box office gross says otherwise
@@bofawhatsbofa4593 spoken like a true executive. Dollars is all they care about, and that desperation causes them to meddle and meddle until the creative vision is gone and its a corporate product on an assembly line
MOS
BvS
WW
Aquaman were hit.
@@richborn6700 think you misunderstand. They had the vision under Snyder. Love it or hate it. But his films made $ and were leading somewhere even with all the constant meddling. But under Walter Hamada (post Aquaman) we got 8 financial flops
Then where is 11 years worth of DCEU story that will culminate in a final movie, oh wait, that was Marvel from 2008 to 2019.
The 2 biggest things that killed the DCEU was stupid executives who don't know the first thing about how to make a movie, who demanded Zack cut out half and hour from BVS as well as the rest of what happened to suicide squad and JL.
But the biggest death blow was people's lack of media literacy skills.
Lol when are hack snyder's failures his fault? According to his fans never.
@marcusluera89 try being respectful. Oh wait Snyders haters are incapable of it.
Respect is earned. I'll show it when he and fans earn it.
@marcusluera89 then make a movie and I'll respect you. Also you're hating on Snyder but you have INJUSTICE Superman as your profile pic. Nothing you say is valid
@@marcusluera89how is it his failure when the movies were failing worse than ever he was not anywhere near dc
I have never understood why people hate 'Man of Steel'.
It looked brilliant and had a good story.
lol
Guess it's Superman doesn't smile, no red trunk, or he kill zod.
@silverstrike5904 he can't simply smile for the sake of it. The smiling has to fit with the context and setting at hand.
There was nothing to smile about where invaders are destroying the Earth.
Just as he had no choice but to kill Zod, because it was either that or everyone on Earth.
The red panties on the outside look horrendous. People need to grow-up.
It was boring. And I don't see the reason of having a good story is explanatory
@@silverstrike5904Superman also killed zod in superman 2 and no one complained.Also i don't get why the trunks are a point of contention for a lot of people.Truth is,it works whether superman wears trunks or not.
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@@mrheadcannon May you find the success soon. The effort, the editing is on point. Just be consistent and you'll make it. 👊
The DCEU was such a disappointment, it feels like they got everything wrong compared to Marvel
Not all the flash series was good tho
@@Moesie I sure it is, but it was not part of the DCEU, but was there an episode were the TV Flash met the Ezra Flash?
@@mrprotheroe4981 barry allan grant gustin
Wait where was the Rise
That's the neat part, there is none
I don't know maybe because Thier first few movies made over 500 mil
Nolan's 3 Batman films and man of Steel
Rebooting was the best thing DC could have done. Saving the DCEU was like fixing a sandcastle as waves were crumbling it.
With Gunn behind the wheel, I think the DCU will be a competitor to Marvel. Though they still need to put in the work, they can't rely on name and Marvel sucess alone anymore
I predict Superman and Fantastic Four are going to be on par with eachother next year, fitting for two franchises that haven't been done justice in decades
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@@juniorgamersfire1184, I agree, this is something to cry tears of joy about :)
@@dudewithachannel1163 😆😆😆😆😆
@@juniorgamersfire1184, yes yes, we can laugh at the Snyder stans who thought the DCU was dead on arrival for no reason, but only after the movie comes out lol
@@dudewithachannel1163 no o ne cares it will be a big flop again
21:15 The actual problem was Amber Turd and people not supporting her being in the film and the directors refusing to fire her, despite the abuse.
Yep, that's why I didn't watch it.
not to mention most depp fans boycotted the movie as well (like me) liked the first one but totally got disinterested in the 2nd one
I thought this was a channel with 500k+ Subscribers or something . I’m shocked… This channel definitely deserves more subscribers 🎉🎉
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Just take inspiration from the DCAU why the hell is that so hard? The DCAU gave us definitive adaptations of DC's most beloved superheroes. Superman: The Animated Series, Batman: The Animated Series, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited are better than any DCEU film. Why is it so hard for Warner Brothers to get it right? Hire people that actually care about the source material not edgelord hacks like Zack Snyder. It's like Warner Brothers wants DC to be in Marvel's shadow for eternity. It's frustrating being a DC fan.
I'll never understand why they didn't hire Bruce Timm for the DCEU. He would've been perfect.
@@mrheadcannon Because Warner Brothers is stupid that's why.
I don't want Superman to be embarrassed by Batman merely existing or Wonder Woman be just Batman's GF.
My only problem with the DCAU is that they could have done Wonder Woman better.
I think that is why they hired James Gunn, someone who understands these characters.
This deserves more views. Great content bro. 🔥🔥
Thanks! 🤗
@@mrheadcannon you need fact check yourself you said dc blatantly was ahead of marvel is somewhat false.And yet it was only Batman in the 1990s and 2000s and early Superman when look attempted to push its heroes into mainstream media movies, games, and such marvels. Even before the mcu, spiderman xmen hulk, blade, ff even Daredevil had movies and shows in the same period WB was hesitant without Batman/superman. The exceptions to that were Teen Titans and Vertigo Imprint movies, which did not even know they were DC.
19:48, Yes, losing Superman was unfortunate; however, that wasn't just some random 70-year-old in the role of Bruce Wayne. That was Michael Keaton, the original Batman from Batman '89; and he kicked @ss in The Flash. Put some respect on that.
It was great. I truly believe Ezra's background mess tanked that movie. But me and my friends all loved Keaton''s return
Bahahah no one cares lol.
Too bad he didn't kick ass in Batman in 89. I attended the Batman premiere in Hollywood in '89 and I remember the rumblings in the audience about how miscast he was. The only reason he was cast at all was because the WB suits were so hellbent on Burton directing (because they wanted Gotham to be dark and gritty and "nobody does dark and gritty like Tim Burton") and Burton is incapable of working with anyone he hasn't worked with before. And he'd just completed Beetlejuice with guess who. There was still a lot of leftover Beetlejuice in Keaton's Batman performance. Happily, Keaton has improved considerably over the years.
Man Of Steel was released a year after The Dark Knight Rises actually.
was thinkin this
Yes
Suicide squad 2 was great and the only reason it didn't do great at the box office was because suicide squad 1 sucked. Peacemaker was also fantastic and this is why i think James Gunn's DCU is going to be great, he has already proven he can do good DC movies.
Nah because of hbo max. Because suicide squad 2 was a huge success at streaming.
Didnt know the DCEU had a rise. Here i was thinking they started off bad and just got progressive more and more terrible.
Just love DCAU. Incredible movies.
1) Batman: Under the Red Hood
2) Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths
3) Superman/Batman: Public Enemies
4) Superman/Batman: Apocalypse
5) Batman: Year One
6) Justice League: Doom
7) Batman: The Dark Knight Returns - Part 1 & 2
8) Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox
I love the DC animated movies. They are high quality content
The flash also failed because of Ezra miller drama. I think Amber herd drama also effected Aquaman 2.
I will forever firmly believe that Shazam 2, The Flash, and Aquaman 2 should've been scraped alongside Batgirl.
It would've made sense for the brand and continuity, but Warner invested around 530 million in those movies. They couldn't scrap them, because they wanted to get SOME of that money back.
@mrheadcannon Absolutely agree and understand 100% from a business perspective.
Those movies I couldn't hold against David Zaslav or James Gunn because, more than anything, they inherited disasters.
They sang The Flash's praises, yes, but it's like you said: They wanted to make some money back from that movie. In the business world, even if you know a movie's average at best, until its release, you prop it up as much as humanly possible.
@@trevonpernell0814And Wonder Woman 1984 should have been scrapped two.
@@Peacemaker2024-A9T If it was up to WB Discovery, that movie doesn't even happen. But at that time, only so much could be done with WarnerMedia and Ann Sarnoff calling the shots.
Why do you think they should scrap Aquaman 2 when 1 has been the highest grossing DC superhero movie ?
DCEU couldn't fall, since it never really rise.
Some DC movies did well, but once they started to make it a coherent cinematic universe, it failed miserably, maybe with the exception of Wonder Woman.
MoS was good dude :/
A few things:
Thor is not the second MCU movie. The Incredible Hulk is. Thor is fourth after Iron-Man 2.
Man of Steel came out in 2013 after The Dark Knight Rises, not The Dark Knight.
Other than that, great vid!
DC has hits and misses they could make a comeback with the right ideas
DC was impatient. Just start with that Superman. Same wonderwoman movie, then a stand-alone Batman movie. Follow that up with a better flash casting and his . Aquaman then do JL introducing Cyborg. Choose someone more recognizable as a villain, maybe brainiac or someone more known, not Steppenwolf. Leave only hints of Darkseid.
Exactly, instead of throughing a bunch of important characters, build the hype and development. Like Man of Steel was a perfect start and then you could've made a stand alone batman movie. Then Wonder Woman and maybe a second sequel to one of thos movies. Then when realising the Justice League your main characters are developed. And introduce a casual but good villian to kick of the Jutice League. Corruption and no trust and no accurate planing is where this universe falm short, while trying to be like Marvel. Making a great independent name is what we all want for the DCEU
They should wait for a few years. Too much superhero content nowadays. Give it a break. The audience is fed up with superpower stuff.
DCEU vs MCU is the equivalent of a rich boy losing to a poor kid who lost all his stuff.
2:27 that’s so much better than BvS suit
the scene where darkseid faces the gods, humans, atlantisians, amazonians, etc. was peak bro....
For Aqua Man 2 a very important impact on views had the trial amber and jd had. Some people cancelled aqua man 2 because of their role adding more pressure to dc ppl
We never even got to see Jeffrey Dean Morgan play Flashpoint Thomas Wayne.
I wish we saw that.
The DCEU never had a rise to begin with.
Despite DC being at a disadvantage, they had the tools to make a comeback:
-Had the rights to all heroes, unlike Marvel.
-They have the talented writers and actors.
-Like Marvel, also had infinite money.
But WB had to fumble hard.
That's where Warner Bros made their biggest mistake
DCEU: Ignores what DCEU fan wants
DCEU Fans: Ignores DCEU and show no support in theater
Perfectly balanced as all things should be 😂😂😂
Fr DCU will never do this to their fans if they started their others movies
Dude your comedy and clip selection for the quips are hilarious keep it up!
WB's biggest mistake was not hiring the writers from the animated universe. WB dominated The animated universe for almost a decade
Studio interference, has no idea how to focus on somebody who wasn’t Suoerman or Batman, constantly trying and failing to compete with the MCU, multiple box office bombs, and I can probably name off some more problems.
the fact dc brand always built on Superman/batman even before mcu marvel through licensing its products other studios like sony, fox, newline made movies for blade, ff xmen spiderman hulk all before dc even put out a ww movie. @starsmith3810
ngl i really do have hope for superman: gunn works well w a more wholesome kinda vibe and the problem with synder's version is that he loved emo-ifying everything to the point where all the characters just felt the same and very one dimensional. Imo sticking to the og aka the comics (which gunn is a huge fan of) is definitely a lot better
I love the narration and I love the editing. New sub!
There was never a rise to the DC universe, unless you’re counting the Dark Knight Trilogy
People just hyped it up because it was based on something already popular
The DCEU was doomed once BvS was released and rejected by the general audience.
Under normal circumstances, the rest of the franchise would have been cancelled, see Universal's Dark Universe.
Unfortunately for WB, a cinematic universe is a big thing to stop since multiple films are already in various stages of production.
Suicide Squad was nearing completion. Production of Wonder Woman was done. Unfortunately for WB, Justice League was getting ready for production in just a few weeks. This is why Snyder was kept on as director, albeit with heavy supervision.
It never had a rise it was instantly controversial.
I knew so many ppl who would’ve watched BVS and were excited but didn’t cuz of bad reviews. It died right there
Great video man!❤
Thanks! 🤗
I have never been disappointed by a DC cartoon movie
The release of Zack Snyder's JL actually had very little to do with the Release the Snyder Cut movement. It was actually a perfect storm of no less than 4 things: 1) The pandemic and lockdown. 2) The resulting loss of income to the major studios. 3) The AT&T purchase of WB and their decision to turn to streaming as an alternate source of income. 4) AT&T's willingness to sink major bucks into this cut.
If you remove any one of those things, this cut of the film would have _never_ happened.
They wanted to base their cinematic universe on the vision of a Director who doesn’t believe in heroes.
Snyder fundamentally doesn’t understand or even like the very concept of a superhero that altruistically help people. You can look up videos of him saying you live in a “Dream world” if you don’t think Superman if he existed wouldn’t kill or be morally bankrupt.
I agree, Snyder was a terrible choice to helm the universe. At most he should’ve worked on a few films as a visual director
Informative, and very well articulated. Well done.
Henry as superman would ever be my favorite
There was no RISE of DCEU . First Superman movie, First Batman movie & the Nolan trilogy. Entire DC movie world is close to nothing. Man of Steel and BvS were frustrating to watch even if they had a few highlights. Justice League was pathetic. Snyder cut helped but what done is done. Entire DCEU is a goddamn mess nobody knows how to fix. WB/DC had to just hire their team from DCAU to script. And they didnt even bother to think of future. They kept rebooting Superman and Batman with no end goal. Marvel steadily built MCU from 2008. By the time Avengers came out, DC was far behind and they tried to force entire world in a few years with no preparation burdening everything on Snyder. How much can one man write and direct; DC world as big as Marvel. Two Suicide Squads came out with. Two batmen. An all powerful flash which may not return. Killed off the God level Dr Fate. James Gunn, WB and DC are clueless and its not reaching anywhere.
MoS is good.
Why aquaman 2 didn't do well is because of amber heard saga. James Wan is an amazing director.
Warner Bros. currently only manages to make decent Batman movies, which are often even better than many Marvel movies, even if Batman works great, as does Spider-Man, it doesn't mean that they don't think anymore about making a decent DC universe in MCU style, then they have to know that quality > quantity
I am a DC fan. Even the ZSJL wasn't good enough to compete how great The Avengers....
I'm still shocked you didn't cover Flash's Actor acting like a whole sociopath for the longest while. The movie was bad but his general behavior didn't help anything.
Superman has so many good stories from a century of published comics but movie makers are obsessed with killing him and using him as a punching bag. Just as Disney denies the Star Wars extended universe to draw inspiration from, Warner Bros refuses to look into Superman's comics or use any other villain besides Lex and Zod (that Doomsday in BvS was not Doomsday. It was a crap imitation). Also Batman: The Dark Knight Returns isn't really a good story. It's a niche story that only a few, loud fans adore but keeps potential newcomers and enjoyers from engaging in comics; the kind of comic that makes comic book stores feel like XXX stores. Honestly an adaptation of Superman/Batman: Public Enemies would have been great to see on the big screen.
Henry cavil should play wolverine after secret wars if Hugh Jackman is done playing wolverine
This is a great video 👍🏾
Thanks 🤗
Henry Cavill was great as Superman but more like an alternative universe version of Superman, Zack made him into a Batman with superpowers, in the same way, that Batman and Robyn killed Batman for trying to make him into a light-hearted character, Zack did the inverse by trying to make superman into a dramatic act, Christopher Reeve still is the only one that managed to capture The Superman persona and Clark Kent perfectly from the Comics, yes, of course, it needs to bring him to the 21 century, but he will never be that depressed traumatized character, he is not Batman, it doesn't work for him be like that otherwise he would turn into a Homelander type, so I think this new Superman coming up next year maybe DC trying to go back to basics, I will miss Gal Gadot as wonder woman, she was the perfect incarnation of WW based on George Perez run with the character in the 80s ( who re-created WW from scratch and turned her into a serious character instead of just eye candy ) The first WW was almost perfection ( excepting that CGI ending ) but that was a great base to carry her on for long, but the second movie tried to bring that Linda Carter silllyness back, which as amazing in the 70s , but would not work today, and killed Gal version of the character, but she still the perfect interpretation of Wonder Woman, so will be one hard to recast
Fr bro. It hit me so hard when they told they were going to reboot the universe. They should have instead focused on bringing back the quality in their movies. I for myself was eagerly waiting for Wonder Woman 3 and justice league 2 with darkseid. The fact that they did
Not treat gal gadot and henry cavill just goes on to show how bad as a franchise they were
@@Bobbyfischer89 I really wanted to watch where things were going, especially after watching the Zack cut of Justice League, all the problems were fixable, they should let him conclude his vision then start from scratch if that is what they really wanted to to do
James Gunn knows how to make a comic book movie
We have seen it and have evidence
So I believe DCU is in safe hands now
No Zack Snyder was the key and he should finish his vision
@@dragonnet289Nah, it's ok. Zaslav is the key! Snyder was the key to how NOT to start/build a universe!
@@dragonnet289he wasn't. He didn't even know anything about characters like Superman was supposed to be a charming and kind character but he showed him evil and also showed superman so powerful that no one on JL could defeat him. I am glad he's gone now
@@dragonnet289 nah
it doesn't matter
wb execs are to blame, snyders original plan did not include bvs until after mos2 and the batman 1 and jl1
To our surprise, wb let nolan leave them.
He could've been a reason for DCEU revival but here we are.
Nolan with Universal and not doing anything with wb now.
They got so many chances to revive DCEU but messed every single chance.
At this point, it feels like no one's interested with their crap anymore.
Being a fan it hurts, but can't do much about it other than watching standalone movies like Pattinson's Batman, Joaquin's Joker and others
The Dark Knight was released in theaters in July 2008. I remember specifically bc it was the day of my birthday and I went to see it that day. Man of Steel was released in 2013, 5 years later. Just thought I'd correct that little tid bit.
Dark knight rises release on 2012
I'm 90% sure that Man of Steel wasn't even supposed to be the beginning but Green Lantern was instead. 😂
Then they changed their mind and decided Man of Steel would ACTUALLY be the beginning of the DCEU after GL was so poorly received. 🤦♂️
If that is right then damn. What a poor omen from the start!
DC universe had a lot of potential, they could have been more successful than the marvel universe. But unfortunately the lack of stability ruined everything
DCAU > DCEU
No contest. It’s funny, marvel won in the cinematic universe, but boy marvel won’t even come close to touching DC’s animated universe.
thats kinda irrelevant. the dcau is more niche for superhero fans. the mcu was so big that it created more superhero fans and catered to mainstream audiences. so while i can believe you that the quality of the dcau is better, the mcu is bigger in terms of fictional media, the bigger it is the more money they make to create even more content. even tho yea the high demand for marvel content increased and basically killed the quality of the universe, theres no denying that the mcu at one point was the biggest superhero universe that overshadowed any media dc has put out. dc's biggest supporters were superhero fans, marvels biggest supporters was the entire world
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The DCEU only had four great movies, and one of them didn't even get a theatrical release!
What was left out is Man of Steel was produced by Nolan’s production company. He and Goyer wrote the story and script, Snyder only directed the film. After that, Nolan left and Snyder was left in charge. That’s where things went wrong.
Guy really downplaying how divisive MoS and BvS were
MoS is good. BvS is meh
@@Doggo_is_susMoS was ok. BvS was garbage
@@aaronmiles2802 MoS is good. BvS is meh.
@@Doggo_is_sus BvS was a critical failure, it’s worse than a “meh”. Critics AND general audiences thought it was trash and it was. The storytelling was abysmal.
@@Doggo_is_sus MoS was a decent Sci-Fi film, not a very good characterisation of Superman, but a decent Sci-Fi film. BvS was pure trash.
DC, competing with Marvel, had to set another tone.
Marvel was family friendly in the early days, where the most you'd see is a small cut across a nose or a bruise on a cheek. Their violence, while explosive, felt pulled back as to not offend parents so that kids could see it.
DC saw an untapped market. If Marvel was pandering toward literal children and parents, then DC would go after those who craved a darker, more gritty, deadlier, violent universe.
Remember, Dark Knight was a success. And while not related to DC and Marvel, other violent shows and movies were creating empires on bodies.
So it made sense. The general audience craves violence, and they aren't getting it from Marvel. So that's their market.
Unfortunately for them, we wanted comic stories. And while comics are violent and bloody and graphic, we didn't want to see that.
We wanted to see our beloved heros being HEROS.
Not murderous psychopathic villains.
We fell in love with The Punisher, Logan and Deadpool only after a decade and a half of cautiously easing into violence going from a small cut across Tony's nose to Cap having his face crushed in by Bucky to watching Thanos literally be decapitated.
Marvel eased into the violence over what, 16 years?
DC gave Batman some machine guns and said whatever happens, happens.
Today, the world would be willing and accepting of a DC Dark universe.
But back then? Absolutely not.
It was the departure of tone that put the final nail in the coffin for the DCU. And, unfortunately, that final nail... was laid first.
0:57 loosing to comics against marvel showing lucky luke
DC Universe rushed everything, they will have to retcon all their movies and start from scratch. A full reboot.
There was supposed to be a Man of Steel 2 before Batman v. Superman. But WB wanted to rush.
One major case for why DCEU fell was because they wanted to compete side by side with MCU even though the latter was already 5 years into existence when Man of Steel was released and was already at the start of in Phase 3 with 13 movies when DCEU released their only second movie yet decided to have Batman vs Superman be the main story to compete against Captain America: Civil War that ignores how the latter had a lot of build up to that film while the former had almost nothing to justify a story like that too quick.
And once that movie became a massive disappointment Warner execs outright destroyed the panic button with how hard they smashed it by making extreme changes to the Suicide Squad that was supposed to come out in 2016 which resulted in that movie being an utter mess. And then of course there was Justice League 2017, a movie that more or less destroyed any chance of DCEU recovering due to extensive rewrites and re-shoots under Joss Whedon that resulted in a flaccid film, one that saw Ben Affleck and Henry Cavil leave the DCEU afterwards and pretty much threw away any and all plans for future Justice League movies with everyone being back to where they were before.
By that point it was beyond saving and the whole thing being rebooted was the only sensible option.
This dude must not have seen Deadpool and Wolverine. The future of the MCU is bright. We'll see what Gunns DCU looks like.
Dc should have this characters in thier universe
1)Batman
2)Superman
3)Flash
4) Aquaman
5) Wonder woman
6) Death stroke
7)Green lantern
8)Green Arrow
9) Shazam
10) Black Adam
11) They should introduce new black and shazham green lantern in second face.
Teen Titans would be a better teen movie hero now...
first film will be Batman will assign Robin to recruit young heroes for minor missions (Street Level) so the Justice League can focus on big missions
then Robin recruits Cyborg and Beastboy where they ended up fighting a major villain (Slade) and the H.I.V.E. academy.
second film will be Raven joining them where his dad is the villain then Nightwing and Kid Flash will join them
third film will introduce Starfire where her sister as the big bad and also introduce Terra
fourth film will be the titans will discover the brotherhood of evil and the return of H.I.V.E. academy also the titans will gain some allies like Red star or the Doom patrol
final film will be the return of Slade and Robin has to face him together with Nightwing and Batman (Also Terra's betrayal)
Yes, we do know what's canon for the new DCU. James Gunn has specifically said that _Creature Commandos_ and _Superman_ are the beginning. Nothing before them counts.
You didn't mention the Green Lanterns at 1:52.. I take offense here.. It's amazing that people keep forgetting the massive potential of Lanterns.
For me:
Man of Steel
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Batman V Superman
Justice League Snyder Cut
And that's it cause I don't know wtf they were thinking with everything else
BvS was a critical failure. Garbage. Man of Steel had some issues but was definitely a decent Sci-Fi film. ZSJL was marginally better than the theatrical cut, I’d say it was ok.
people love batman character, but the direction is not stable as marvel
Dceu needs more depth in their character
More character development
Contradiction in Philosophy of heroes and villians
For gruesome fighting scenes they sacrificed character developement
Depth in their ideologies.
Action scenes are top no doubt but for elder audience they need a perfect mental duel between heroes and villians .
Last but not the least their one of the biggest villians darkseid can't even talk.
0:16 i googled "they fired superman", results i got: "they didn't fire superman" not a great start
He was referring to Ray Fisher (Cyborg) & Ezra Miller (Flash) being fired but showing a picture of Henry Cavill would confuse anyone 🤦🏾♂️
Martha!!!!
that one line killed DCEU
Warner Should just have given snyder the creative freedom he needed, The DCEU could have been a very big success.
It still wouldn’t have been that successful Snyders movies weren’t that good.
Snyder’s ideas were terrible
@@lilboke4645except that’s false🤷🏽♂️ majority of audience liked the take. It was only the small dc cult purist that hated it
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Snyder's characters were amazing except batman
@@Doggo_is_sus “Amazing” is a stretch, ironically Batman was the most aesthetically appealing despite being a terrible iteration of the character. Barry was trash and weird. Superman had some issues. Wonder Woman and Cyborg were brilliant
Okay but Batman vs Superman was really good movie I loved it . I never liked Batman before but after this movie Batman became my one of the favourite character, challenging God like entity.
I feel that honestly. Zack synder played a huge part in this failure. Gosh when i went in to watch BvS it was literally the first movie where i legit fell asleep
Meanwhile Godzilla Minus One cost $15 million & won an Academy Award for Best Visual Effects.