Lets be honest the only reason we even got that John Krasinski cameo was so Marvel could say “We put him in a movie now stop telling us to make him the official Mr Fantastic”
@@robloxfellow people said this about Robert Pattinson when he was reveled as a Batman in the Batman Movie. That he dosen't suit the role , that they should cast someone else and at the end we got a really a really great Batman Let Pedro cook and wait for the movie.
@@mrplushkingI think he’s talking about the post credits scene. It made his cameo all the more funnier and a lot of people got to talking about him again.
Johnny was made to be the reckless and kinda stupid character, even tho it's Deadpool's fault, it's okay for him to die for a stupid reason reed is the SMARTEST GUY ALIVE and died in ridiculous way
@@poodie3887 Not say who is their strongest member and how he will kill her if she try something ? Like, how the fuck did he think it was a good idea ?
@@poodie3887Not attack her head on. Xavier wasn’t charging her head on either, because that would be stupid. Something that someone smart shouldn’t be doing.
@@poodie3887 Reed Richards is one of the greatest minds in Marvel. He would've thought of something. Not to mention the fact that he thought only 5 people could beat the most powerful sorceress and plus what the other two said. Tell me bringing only 4 people to an actual fight and leaving one telepath to mess with the most powerful sorceresses' head is a good idea. Reed Richards would've known to bring a lot more, y'know like a sorcerer supreme or every sorcerer or literally an entire army of heroes to beat someone who can alter all of reality just by saying what she want to happen. Maybe even the Infinity Watch to reunite the stones and snap her out of existence since she is in their universe which means their stones can work on her, maybe even bring out some villains to help. Now that would be a true Multiverse of Madness
Another reason is that John Krasinski's cameo served no purpose. He didn't give us any relevant plot exposition or gave crucial information to move the plot forward. He was just another body to be thrown into the gutter. Meanwhile Chris Evans human torch moved the plot forward. He told Deadpool and Wolverine as well as the audience about Cassandra Nova, the main villain of the movie. His death also showcased Cassandra's power and how brutal and powerful she is. Reed's death in MoM didn't. We already knew who the main villain is, we already knew how powerful she is. Reed's death in MoM was pointless and contributed nothing to the movie while Johnny's death in DP3 contributed to the movie by introducing the main villain, showcasing said main villain's powers, as well as being used to motivate the resistance to avenge Johnny and finally take the fight to Cassandra
@@toyanthaog5109 that's for longterm, in the movie even credit scene we still don't know the visual of the incursion. His point is still valid, Reed's death serves no purpose in the film. We already saw how powerful Wanda is when she attacks Kamar-taj. Strange warns them about Scarlet Witch, so why do they still want to talk it out? In serious scene they made it like a joke.
I think you forgot the real reason why the post-credits scene in D&W is so funny. The way the film is set up, the audience is led to believe that Torch respected Cassandra's power if not outright feared her, and Deadpool was lying about what he said (and lying through his teeth when he said that it was how Johnny wanted to go out). It turns out, everything he said was true, Johnny did say the single crudest lines in the whole movie and explicitly say he wouldn't mind his fate. It's funny as an alleged insult that Deadpool uses to get Johnny killed, but even funnier as an actual insult that he used.
It's even better the second time you watch the movie for this exact reason! All the times DP talks about Johnny, and says Gambit and he must have gotten along because of their weirdly specific profane comments. It's completely woven into the story and hilarious
I think the joke flew over our heads. I think deadpool literally pulls an alternate universe where Johnny says those things as if you notice he stares straight at the camera before he does the speech
@@jamesjoyce5421 Lol come on, that theory is painfully unfunny. There are no alternative universes within the void and also its way way way more funny if Johnny actually said those things.
Put it simply, they killed Johnny/Evans as a joke, and they always wrote him to be unimportant. Whereas they had us thinking Reed Richards would have been a key player for the future, only to get killed in like five minutes in the stupidest way possible.
I'd say this is way more true. I didn't care about the actor what so ever and his death still annoyed me. Honestly so did almost all of them. It just felt disrespectful to the other characters to kill them quickly in various grotesque ways. Could have been that Deadpool and Wolverine was also a much better movie than Dr Strange in the multiverse of madness (Which I personally though was just a waste of the time it took me to watch the movie.)
@@HyattHyatt3179 I watched the fantastic four when I was a kid and actually enjoyed a lot, I'd expect to get mad at johnny's death since it kept the original actor and not care that much about Reed since it's not like I'm into the comics while saw the character in the previous actor. But no, deadpool even keeping the character just for the flame on gag would already be enough even if he died like the x-force since I got the chance of seeing Chris like that, reed felt empty, no iconic trait just a "hey I exist on the MCU" and then died pathetically
6:49 "Comicbook Johnny should've been able to defeat Pyro easily." Is what I thought too, but in an actual comic it's shown that Pyro has control over Johnny. Johnny only creates flames and projects them, he cannot control fire as a whole unlike Pyro. Although he can't create or project fire, Pyro has complete control over it. So the more Johnny burns, and the hotter he burns, is literally making Pyro stronger too.
@Standby_JRB Yes and no... Pyro has defeated Johnny Storm a few times, but the comics also have Johnny learning how to counter Pyro over time. Eventually, Pyro has very little chance of besting Johnny in a fight. Johnny can heat himself up to supernova levels, which would fry Pyro. He can project heat without flame, which would also fry Pyro. He can also burn so hot that he becomes plasma, which Pyro has very little control over. Some decent counter options. But... this is the first time that this particular Johnny has ever straight-up fought Pyro... so it makes sense that he'd lose. Also, it was done for comedic effect. Made me sad to see him die, but at least the film treats him with respect later on. Wolverine is angry at Deadpool for getting Johnny killed, and the refugee heroes clearly care about him... so much so that his death motivates them to join Deadpool and attack Cassandra.
In a nutshell: Deadpool and Wolverine is a parody of everything wrong with Marvel as a late and finally giving endings to characters in comedic ways For Dr Strange MoM, its literally 75% of America Chavez screaming, 20% of unnecessary BS, and 5% of bad cameos
@@ShadowSonic2 Deadpool is just Deadpool, it works. The character, the game made around it, the comics, and the movies. Not a single one has ever flopped, bec it's just Deadpool. You can't say the same thing about a movie with lackluster cameos (the only two good ones being snuffed out in minutes) and completely circulated around the Scarlet Witch. The movie is called Doctor Strange 2, not Scarlet Witch, WandaVision already gave us a healthy dose of Wanda and what happened to her post-Infinity War.
Krasinski not being Reed in future films was so soul crushing. He was the perfect casting choice. I like Pedro, I’m just kind of tired of seeing him in everything.
Yeah that's why I'm sad about Henry Cavil's Wolverine cameo cause I think he'd be a great actor for the MCU Wolverine but we know they not gonna do it.
No, the real difference is that Strange 2 gave us what we wanted: Krasinski as Reed, and I'm sure we were all hoping Marvel would keep him, but instead tossed aside Krasinski to give us Pascal, so ALL we have of Krasinski is him getting torn apart by Wanda. Meanwhile, we'd already had two movies of Evans as Torch, then had several years of him as Cap, so the reveal of him as Torch was a total surprise and nobody really cared that Cassandra killed him, since we had already had our fun with that character. We weren't missing out on a Chris Evans Torch because we already had it. We missed out on a John Krasinski Reed, though, because his cameo could have led to a starring role, but didn't.
No bro Krasinski simply refused to be Reed and only did the cameo as a favor because of how popular fancasting had gotten. Why do you guys never take into account if the actors even want to play the character or not? Samething with the guy everybody wanted to play Doom, like he just doesn’t want too. Because the F4 movie is taking place in a different dimension so Krasinski could have still played Reed if he wanted too anyway.
3:23 let's be real, hugh jackman coming back was already guaranteed to put butts in seats. Also, little fun fact, Marvel didn't want to include her in any of the trailers, but Kevin Feige approved it so that she could attend the premiere.
another fact is that captain carter defeated omnipotent god strange in what if and was instantly killed in the movie. like is she strong or weak wtf is the power scaling
If they wanted to kill him off, they should of made him stretch around Wanda and wrap himself around her, buying time for the others to escape. Everyone knows when you want to kill off a fan favorite character, it’s gotta go in a way of self sacrifice, killing of hundreds of minions/big bad, or as a plot point for introducing a new villain.
Real problem is because Reed died while being out of character (being stupid when he is supposed to be smart) Johnny died because Deadpool was being himself.
I feel like the main reason I lived Chris's cameo and not John's is how long they were in the movie for. John was in MoM for like 2-3 minutes, Chris was in DaW for like 10-15 minutes. It felt like they didnt care about Reed Richards at all, just had him in the movie for a lottle as just a wink and a nod before killing him in the most anti-climatic way possible. Human torch has a lot happen with him, and he is the catalyst for voth several jokes, as well as several plot points. He fakes us out with his reveal, he is the first instance of Cassandra showing us just how strong she is, his death motivates the resistance to fight, and the end credits scene was one of the funniest jokes in the entire movie. Human Torch has substance, Reed Richards did not
Honestly I'm more mad at how they killed prof X. Friendly reminder that he fought DARK PHOENIX telepathically and won, yet in MoM he's a wimp in the mind realm.
Even in Logan, even drastically declining as a result of the strongest mind, Professor X’s seizures had the ability to kill/torture everyone around him accidentally. Variant or not, the way he went out still pisses me off
Another point is the reference itself. For Krasinki the cameo required you to be an active part of the fandom to be aware of the reference On the other hand a majority of Deadpools fans have probably watched or were familiar with the fantastic four movies and the fact that Chris Evens played two mayor marvel characters. Therefore a bigger percentage of the audience would understand and enjoy the cameo
The point doesn't quite work out when you realise to understand Channing Tatum's Gambit cameo you had to be on the fandom to get it too. It was just as much anticipated as Krasinski, but the difference is it paid off.
It's mostly because of it being the most wanted fan casting and Marvel just killed him just for a checklist. I think if John was casted back as Mr Fantastic in the new Fantastic 4 I think more people would be accepting it. Just my take. Still hype for Pascal's take on Mr Fantastic.
I don’t care for Pedro Pescal as an actor after he got all political and compared half the country to nazis because they are different thinkers to him. I’d much rather have John and Emily as Reed and Sue (since they did in fact kill it in quite place) but Emily didn’t want to do superhero movies. So whatever, fuck the fantastic four, I hope that film flops hard.
Simple answer- John was given a very minimal screen time!! And his character didn't created any impact!! He just came and died Whearas chris was given a decent screent time(for a cameo) and his character created an impact!! Like everybody in my theatre people were thinking it's Captain America until he said "Flame on"!! And even had a great chat with Deadpool 😂!! Both the actors played the role well but it's always about writing!!
Wrong. Krasinski cameo did work, the entire premise of saying his cameo didn’t work is just a lie. His bit explaining incursions has been one of the most important and reused clips since Endgame. On top of his death just being amazing when you first watch the movie because you don’t think Wanda is about to go that hard, but she does.
@@Byronic19134she only goes hard on everyone except the character she is supposed to go hard at. If they make a movie of 2hrs about plot holes and ridiculous writing of doctor strange 2 it'll turn out way better than the movie itself
In fairness, Johnny is fire or engulfed in flames. Pyro, however, has control over all fire and flame. Him absorbing Johnny isn't absurd or inaccurate, in fact he's done it in the comic (Ultimate, if I recall right.)
I think the real question is: How strong is Pyro's ability to manipulate fire? Can he contain a nuclear explosion? Human Torch's fire is supposed to be so strong he can go supernova. That's why some fans believe Human Torch can overpower Pyro.
2:25 I don't know about that part. F4 movies may have had issues but Chris Evans was the perfect humans Torch along with Ben. The human torch, ben and Doom when the most memorable part of the F4. Reed Richards not that much
Chris Evans' cameo was comedic while John Krasinki's Reed ("Smartest man alive") just seriously revealed Black Bolt's power to Wanda, so she could block it. And then tried to attack the witch, who just had destroyed security and Black Bolt, by hand which, of course, failed
I’m just glad that Ioan Gruffudd wasn’t recasted. It would’ve been a spit in the face for long-time Marvel fans to see the original Mr. Fantastic get killed off as a gag. Not to mention, Johnny Storm wasn’t forgotten about immediately. Deadpool & Wolverine constantly reminded the audience that Johnny is dead
Correction: You're wrong. Human Tourch is not stronger than Pyro. Pyro can control and manipulate fire. He can easily absorb the fire from Human Torch. In the same way, Rogue used Pyro's power by touching his leg to absorb the fire in X2 when Pyro went nuts on the police at Bobby's parent's house.
No, Johnny high diffs Pyro. Even without his flame, Pyro’s fire can’t melt his skin off in his human form, because his fire is weaker. He may have more control over it, but not more output like Johnny or basically anybody whose fire is weaker than Johnny’s cannot melt or hurt him. Even so, Johnny always beat Pyro in hand-to-hand combat situations time and time again. Johnny clears, albeit high difficulty because Pyro has proven himself a powerful adversary. It’s just funny to see that the MCU nerfed Johnny to oblivion, but they did it for a good reason.
Dude when you consider their power they are not even in same rank,Human Torch should wipe the floor with Pyro every time,he is immune to heat and fire while Pyro is only immune to the flames he controls and he cant generate flames. All the Human Torch needs to do to win is just stand close by and raise his temperature to the point where Pyro just melts or suffocates.
mmiskarian2206 Krasinski apparently wasn’t interested in investing to the character long term. Playing a role like Reed Richards would’ve been a MASSIVE commitment long term. Given all the directing and producing Krasinski does now, I doubt he could’ve done that on top of playing one of Marvel’s most important characters
Human torch was locked up. Mr. Fantastic was fighting someone in a straight line. It would of been better if they actually tried to fight Wanda, but there was barely anything. Imagine Wanda using projections to avoid black bolt and have Mr. Fantastic punch a bunch of projection clones. They barely even got to show off their powers, even after being built up.
@shawngillespie3532 What? You're telling me you don't like the fact that the Smartest Man Alive told Wanda what Black Bolt's power was, thereby giving her an opportunity to counter it or stop him from using it? Get out of here. 😤
Unfortunately a character can only be as smart as the person who wrote them. Even if the writer can give them more "knowledge" and "reactive thinking speed", they can't really improve the character's intelligence above their own. It's kind of like sci-fi films in general. They don't take into account problems related to actual physics because the writers never realized certain things are problems. For example, Ironman falling from the wormhole should've died regardless of whether Hulk caught him or not. The only difference is that he should've snapped in half upon hitting Hulk's arm instead of being turned into canned mush when hitting the ground.
It's been fun seeing Johnny and Reed as canon fodder for multiverse movies, but I think it's time to take them seriously. I hope Fantastic Four: First Steps makes the team more respected in the MCU.
Please 😂, Doctor Strange 2 neg diffs Deadpool and Wolverine in terms of how well-written the plot is. I liked Deadpool and Wolverine, I really did, but the cameos were the cover up for how messy the plot really is.
@@misterflibble2931Wrong, the cameos were to cover up for the awful writing in Doctor Strange 2, Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness is such a terrible film.
@@misterflibble2931 such a good plot that the character motivations had to literally be presented via a “memory tv player” that makes no sense and a Wanda who’s entire goal makes no sense when she can just hop to a universe that doesn’t have a Wanda and play mommy there instead of trauma-genociding over her make-belief children.
7:54 excellent analysis but the death of the Human Torch is also a good joke, because Wade says that he broke the budget. So it’s even part of the joke. Tone is everything.
I still believe that the Johnny Storm cameo is a product of the late reshoots and he pretty much replaced the TVA agent that deadpool sent into the void in the opening scene. He also appeared in the trailers getting killed by Alioth. Both could have served the same purpose of introducing Cassandra Nova
John krasinskis didnt work because they made his mr fantastic a dumbass. Mfer revealed black bolts weakness to the girl who has reality warping powers 😂
I totally agree with your explanation. Also I want to see Chris Evans's human torch and John krasinski's mr fantastic and emily blunt's mrs fantastic as one single team of fantastic 4, which will be awesome.
Really like how you point out the difference between killing the human torch and Captain American. The aftermatch and curveball that Deadpool managed her is cool
Here’s why John’s appearance really didn’t work, people had been begging for him to play Mr Fantastic, then when we finally get him the writing was dog shat and his character was just dumb and then he’s killed and then almost immediately the company decides to replace him with a casting no one asked for. Where for Chris Evans appearance the character was already established and beloved by most and his story was already finished so his appearance in dp&w it’s just to show us what happened to those characters after their story was finished and it was pretty funny
*Correction* This Johnny Storm isn't from the 616 Universe. He might be from the same Fantastic Four Movie Universe or even from a different universe but with the same face as the one from the movie, because being in the void doesn't mean everything or everyone in there is from the 616 Universe
I was hyped for John to play Reed Richards but when I saw it, even before the spaghetti death, it didn’t feel as right as I thought it would. It’s not just the bad death that makes it not work. I’m glad they did the cameo so we could see if it worked or not.
I'm still mad that Marvel went with Pedro Pascal instead of giving John Krasinski another chance, they gave him the most important line in the multiverse saga explaining the incursions and then kill him off two minutes later. Michael Waldron said that he originally wrote a scene were 838 Mister Fantastic regenerates himself and is seen recording the rest of the events of the film at the Baxter Foundation, but that scene was never filmed. So, as someone who really enjoyed seeing John Krasinski as Reed, in hindsight, his appearance does feel wasted.
Not gonna lie, I was upset Chris Evens' Human Torch died. I grew up on those films, and I liked the characters. Now I wasn't even a teenager, but I enjoyed watching the movies still, even watcjed it on repeat with the DVD.
I didn't complain about Sabertooth's death because that was referenced in XMen: Origins, when Sabertooth asked: "Jimmy, do you even know how to kill me?" Wolverine: "I'm gonna cut your fuckin head off, see if that works." That was literally the best part of that shit show.
John's Reed being called the smartest man before being killed like a goon... They probably just didn't like him in the role and were like, "Here you go. You can shut up now." And about Johnny. I would've preferred keeping him alive, but at that point what can you even do with the character so I totally understand. Especially now that the new F4 is coming out.
My problem is easily summed up in two sentences >Supposed to be the smartest man >Explains his trump card to enemy That's on tope of the fact that black bolt trained to never make a sound by accident yet screamed because his mouth was sealed despite inhumans being able to do much more horrific things. On top of that, that is not how sound works. Closing your mouth doesn't reflect your soundwave s back in, it just dampens it a little. His powers should have worked anyway
Chris Evans really surprised me in Deadpool. He managed to convey that he was that stupid Human Torch from 20 years ago but was still hardened by the void. I always thought he was likeable, but that's the first time I was impressed by the duality of a performance.
That is exactly why I don’t watch movie trailers anymore. Because me having no idea i was going to see X23 all grown up again in Deadpool and Wolverine made it so much better.
I honestly wanted to see John Krasinski play him again and actually get a chance to play him right, because the dr strange just wasted him so fast and made him look so dumb, like yeah i can say he sucked in that, but i feel like the writing had everything to do with it and not the actor idk maybe its just me
We didn't remember? It was awesome to pull Chris Evan's character from F4 with DP initially thinking he was Cap. It reminded me of DP making fun of Ryan's original DP and Green Lantern or even the nod to the Blade 3 drama between Ryan and Wesley Snipes.
I watched Deadpool and Wolverine opening night and I'd forgotten about Chris Evans being the human torch. So I see Chris Evans and expect Captain America getting comedically flipped, a so-so outcome... but then after the buildup and he says 'FLAME ON!' and flies up in fire? There was an initial wave of people who immedietly understood... then a split second wave for the rest of us who'd unlocked an apparently forgotten memory. It was a glorious scene and it all fit the human torch to a perfect tee.
"but if we see a variant from the fox universe, they can do whatever they want with him, it's not if those movies were that good" it was literally peak super hero movie era
But gambit didn't die if your talking about 97 then your wrong as it was important to the story and he's coming back in season 2 as death Apacolypse horseman
when jim from the office showed up in the office i almost burst out laughing in the theater because i just thought of him doing his jim face at the camera
The fact he was put in to play in the fantastic 4 is a good thing because this teases that he will be playing in future fantastic 4 movies. Since this is a alternate universe, so dont forget that key detail. He may have died in that universe but this confirms he will be playing as Mr fantastic in the current universe for MCU
Why do you hate the fantastic four what did they do to you they are like one of the most famous super hero teams definitely more famous then the avengers was before there movies.
I like Deadpool and Wolverine and Professor X but I don't really like the X-Men in MCU. And I can't stand that they put the old Spider-Man into the MCU. Not a popular opinion but No Way Home was cheap crap fan service. Ruined the MCU.
I dont think theres any issues with characters dying, even in silly ways, so long as theyre in character. Johnny is a hot head, everything he did was true to the character Reed didnt form plans, didnt use future tech, didnt do anything except turn into shredded rubber bands...
To be honest, the Human Torch is one of my favorite superheroes, and seeing him nerfed and treated as a punching bag made me mad. Deadpool's excuse for his demise (inflating the budget) is bullshit, and I still hold it that both John Krasinski's Reed Richards and Chris Evans's Johnny Storm were killed off for the same reason. Marvel wants moviegoers to forget about those characters because they have another version of the Fantastic Four to make money and merchandising off of.
Kinda feels like it, although I do only have Johnny's out of context, spoiled through shorts😑, so I haven't seen all of his scenes, but I saw him get manhandled by pyro🙃
Lets be honest the only reason we even got that John Krasinski cameo was so Marvel could say “We put him in a movie now stop telling us to make him the official Mr Fantastic”
And unfortunately we're stuck with Pedro FAWK
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@@igg7865 I am sorry but Pedro doesn't suit Reed, he should have been given another role in Marvel
idk why, krasinski would have been good as reed, better than pedro
@@robloxfellow people said this about Robert Pattinson when he was reveled as a Batman in the Batman Movie. That he dosen't suit the role , that they should cast someone else and at the end we got a really a really great Batman
Let Pedro cook and wait for the movie.
I would argue that this cameo in fact MADE Chris Evans' Human Torch more loved with the audience because of this lol
Yeah, I don't know what this guy's on about.
@@mrplushkingI think he’s talking about the post credits scene. It made his cameo all the more funnier and a lot of people got to talking about him again.
I agree. I genuinely liked the old fantastic four movies only due to Johnny
It did
"Mr Headcannon" is full of it
Human Torch: 🥩
vs.
Mr. Fantastic: 🍝
Spaghetti and meatballs
@@redram6080 Fantastic!
@@redram6080 dammit, you beat me to it!
Human Torch: mortal kombat fatality
Mr. Fantastic: turned into spaghetti
The Thing: 🪑
7:37, to be fair, Wolverine takes it quite seriously and calls Deadpool out for it at several points in the film
But the seriousness of Wolverine vs the sassy Deadpool is a good comedic duo
@@Sir-Pleiades True
That’s exactly why it worked
@@Sir-Pleiades Deadpool could work with anybody . Especially considering he can break the 4th wall n his jokes never misses .
I’m not sure why he took it so seriously considering he’s probably killed 10x as many people lol
John became spaghetti, and Chris became bolognese.
NAURRR
He became lasagna bologna
Truly a fantastic delicacy
thats crazyyyy
@@bigalgames7963 so The Thing is destined to become lasagna.
1: Fulfilling a wish just to throw shit in the audiences faces.
2: A fun callback nobody asked for in a silly movie.
Johnny was made to be the reckless and kinda stupid character, even tho it's Deadpool's fault, it's okay for him to die for a stupid reason reed is the SMARTEST GUY ALIVE and died in ridiculous way
What was he supposed to do against magic?
@@poodie3887 Not say who is their strongest member and how he will kill her if she try something ? Like, how the fuck did he think it was a good idea ?
@@poodie3887Not attack her head on. Xavier wasn’t charging her head on either, because that would be stupid. Something that someone smart shouldn’t be doing.
It isn't Deadpool's fault
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Reed Richards is one of the greatest minds in Marvel. He would've thought of something. Not to mention the fact that he thought only 5 people could beat the most powerful sorceress and plus what the other two said.
Tell me bringing only 4 people to an actual fight and leaving one telepath to mess with the most powerful sorceresses' head is a good idea. Reed Richards would've known to bring a lot more, y'know like a sorcerer supreme or every sorcerer or literally an entire army of heroes to beat someone who can alter all of reality just by saying what she want to happen. Maybe even the Infinity Watch to reunite the stones and snap her out of existence since she is in their universe which means their stones can work on her, maybe even bring out some villains to help. Now that would be a true Multiverse of Madness
Another reason is that John Krasinski's cameo served no purpose. He didn't give us any relevant plot exposition or gave crucial information to move the plot forward. He was just another body to be thrown into the gutter. Meanwhile Chris Evans human torch moved the plot forward. He told Deadpool and Wolverine as well as the audience about Cassandra Nova, the main villain of the movie. His death also showcased Cassandra's power and how brutal and powerful she is. Reed's death in MoM didn't. We already knew who the main villain is, we already knew how powerful she is. Reed's death in MoM was pointless and contributed nothing to the movie while Johnny's death in DP3 contributed to the movie by introducing the main villain, showcasing said main villain's powers, as well as being used to motivate the resistance to avenge Johnny and finally take the fight to Cassandra
Bro become a pasta in a second
You missed the part where Reed is talking abour Incursions. Giving exposition and such. We are still dealing with it so no you are wrong
@@toyanthaog5109 that's for longterm, in the movie even credit scene we still don't know the visual of the incursion. His point is still valid, Reed's death serves no purpose in the film. We already saw how powerful Wanda is when she attacks Kamar-taj. Strange warns them about Scarlet Witch, so why do they still want to talk it out? In serious scene they made it like a joke.
@@toyanthaog5109name one timeline that we see destroyed by an incursion. Because i havent seen any go yet making his lore dump irrelavent.
This can be said about both characters they are the same trope
I think you forgot the real reason why the post-credits scene in D&W is so funny. The way the film is set up, the audience is led to believe that Torch respected Cassandra's power if not outright feared her, and Deadpool was lying about what he said (and lying through his teeth when he said that it was how Johnny wanted to go out).
It turns out, everything he said was true, Johnny did say the single crudest lines in the whole movie and explicitly say he wouldn't mind his fate. It's funny as an alleged insult that Deadpool uses to get Johnny killed, but even funnier as an actual insult that he used.
It's even better the second time you watch the movie for this exact reason! All the times DP talks about Johnny, and says Gambit and he must have gotten along because of their weirdly specific profane comments. It's completely woven into the story and hilarious
I think the joke flew over our heads. I think deadpool literally pulls an alternate universe where Johnny says those things as if you notice he stares straight at the camera before he does the speech
@@jamesjoyce5421 I don't think there's alternate universes within the void the same way the timelines work.
@@jamesjoyce5421 Lol come on, that theory is painfully unfunny. There are no alternative universes within the void and also its way way way more funny if Johnny actually said those things.
Even Wolwerine never acuses Wade of been liying.
Hell I'm still upset about The Age Of Ultron Quicksilver being unalived. 😩
I guess he was Kraven something else
I’m pretty sure the lawyers killed him
@@josukeuchiha 😂😂😂😂
@@josukeuchiha hahaha that's great. 😂
Unalived?
Put it simply, they killed Johnny/Evans as a joke, and they always wrote him to be unimportant. Whereas they had us thinking Reed Richards would have been a key player for the future, only to get killed in like five minutes in the stupidest way possible.
Johnny was pretty crucial for his two movies climaxes.
Because Johnny Storm actually acts like Johnny Storm while Reed Richard's acts like every mcu character.
But he was acting like comic reed richards.
@@hawks7111not when his talk about black powers to wanda, when he is smartest man alive.
@@dearself2726You are saying as if it was actor's fault.
I'd say this is way more true. I didn't care about the actor what so ever and his death still annoyed me. Honestly so did almost all of them. It just felt disrespectful to the other characters to kill them quickly in various grotesque ways. Could have been that Deadpool and Wolverine was also a much better movie than Dr Strange in the multiverse of madness (Which I personally though was just a waste of the time it took me to watch the movie.)
@@HyattHyatt3179 I watched the fantastic four when I was a kid and actually enjoyed a lot, I'd expect to get mad at johnny's death since it kept the original actor and not care that much about Reed since it's not like I'm into the comics while saw the character in the previous actor. But no, deadpool even keeping the character just for the flame on gag would already be enough even if he died like the x-force since I got the chance of seeing Chris like that, reed felt empty, no iconic trait just a "hey I exist on the MCU" and then died pathetically
6:49 "Comicbook Johnny should've been able to defeat Pyro easily." Is what I thought too, but in an actual comic it's shown that Pyro has control over Johnny. Johnny only creates flames and projects them, he cannot control fire as a whole unlike Pyro. Although he can't create or project fire, Pyro has complete control over it. So the more Johnny burns, and the hotter he burns, is literally making Pyro stronger too.
I was surprised to learn this after watching the movie a few weeks back.
Yeah, but it’s also shown that Pyro can’t beat Johnny in a fist fight though.
@Standby_JRB Yes and no... Pyro has defeated Johnny Storm a few times, but the comics also have Johnny learning how to counter Pyro over time. Eventually, Pyro has very little chance of besting Johnny in a fight. Johnny can heat himself up to supernova levels, which would fry Pyro. He can project heat without flame, which would also fry Pyro. He can also burn so hot that he becomes plasma, which Pyro has very little control over. Some decent counter options.
But... this is the first time that this particular Johnny has ever straight-up fought Pyro... so it makes sense that he'd lose. Also, it was done for comedic effect. Made me sad to see him die, but at least the film treats him with respect later on. Wolverine is angry at Deadpool for getting Johnny killed, and the refugee heroes clearly care about him... so much so that his death motivates them to join Deadpool and attack Cassandra.
@@JoseNolasco-sz1oxdid they fist fight…
@@Ingel_Riday6690 Also I assume Johnny storm would learn not to use said fire powers to fly around pyro.
In a nutshell:
Deadpool and Wolverine is a parody of everything wrong with Marvel as a late and finally giving endings to characters in comedic ways
For Dr Strange MoM, its literally 75% of America Chavez screaming, 20% of unnecessary BS, and 5% of bad cameos
So you're fine with Deadpool having no real plot and just being gutless fanservice and you get mad that Dr Strange 2 had a plot.
Okey-Dokey...
@@ShadowSonic2 Deadpool is just Deadpool, it works. The character, the game made around it, the comics, and the movies. Not a single one has ever flopped, bec it's just Deadpool.
You can't say the same thing about a movie with lackluster cameos (the only two good ones being snuffed out in minutes) and completely circulated around the Scarlet Witch. The movie is called Doctor Strange 2, not Scarlet Witch, WandaVision already gave us a healthy dose of Wanda and what happened to her post-Infinity War.
@@ShadowSonic2you call that(MoM) shit- plot? They fcuked Stephen Strange's character
Well said
@@ShadowSonic2cope harder bud 😂
Krasinski not being Reed in future films was so soul crushing. He was the perfect casting choice.
I like Pedro, I’m just kind of tired of seeing him in everything.
Seriously, that is what's called burnout. Pedro Pascal burnout.
He's the Nolan North of Disney at this point
When I saw MOM, I thought he was going to play Mr. Fantastic in other films, I was crushed to find out otherwise
Yeah that's why I'm sad about Henry Cavil's Wolverine cameo cause I think he'd be a great actor for the MCU Wolverine but we know they not gonna do it.
Pedro Pascal definitely not Reed Richards
No, the real difference is that Strange 2 gave us what we wanted: Krasinski as Reed, and I'm sure we were all hoping Marvel would keep him, but instead tossed aside Krasinski to give us Pascal, so ALL we have of Krasinski is him getting torn apart by Wanda. Meanwhile, we'd already had two movies of Evans as Torch, then had several years of him as Cap, so the reveal of him as Torch was a total surprise and nobody really cared that Cassandra killed him, since we had already had our fun with that character. We weren't missing out on a Chris Evans Torch because we already had it. We missed out on a John Krasinski Reed, though, because his cameo could have led to a starring role, but didn't.
Krasinski said he'd only do one appearance as Reed and not a continuing role, that's why they went with Pedro
No bro Krasinski simply refused to be Reed and only did the cameo as a favor because of how popular fancasting had gotten.
Why do you guys never take into account if the actors even want to play the character or not? Samething with the guy everybody wanted to play Doom, like he just doesn’t want too.
Because the F4 movie is taking place in a different dimension so Krasinski could have still played Reed if he wanted too anyway.
@@Byronic19134 I didn't know that. Thanks.
@@ShadowSonic2He never said that, Marvel never gave him the option to come back. Quote him saying he only wanted to play Reed once.
@@Byronic19134He never refused to play Reed again lmao, where do you guys get this stuff?
If you actually believe that then quote it.
3:23 let's be real, hugh jackman coming back was already guaranteed to put butts in seats.
Also, little fun fact, Marvel didn't want to include her in any of the trailers, but Kevin Feige approved it so that she could attend the premiere.
it was disney actually who forced marvel to let X-23 come to the premium
another fact is that captain carter defeated omnipotent god strange in what if and was instantly killed in the movie. like is she strong or weak wtf is the power scaling
Welcome to comics
She had a team supporting her. She didn't do it alone.
It's also not the what if version of captain carter so
If they wanted to kill him off, they should of made him stretch around Wanda and wrap himself around her, buying time for the others to escape. Everyone knows when you want to kill off a fan favorite character, it’s gotta go in a way of self sacrifice, killing of hundreds of minions/big bad, or as a plot point for introducing a new villain.
not to mention, this the first time she came on live-action with the suit
Real problem is because Reed died while being out of character (being stupid when he is supposed to be smart)
Johnny died because Deadpool was being himself.
Although in comics you have to admit, for a smart guy, he's made some pretty stupid decisions.
Yeah, let’s inform the enemy the name of the move my teammate is going to use, surely it won’t bite us back.
Exactly and johnny Storm is kinda hothead at the same time
I feel like the main reason I lived Chris's cameo and not John's is how long they were in the movie for. John was in MoM for like 2-3 minutes, Chris was in DaW for like 10-15 minutes. It felt like they didnt care about Reed Richards at all, just had him in the movie for a lottle as just a wink and a nod before killing him in the most anti-climatic way possible. Human torch has a lot happen with him, and he is the catalyst for voth several jokes, as well as several plot points. He fakes us out with his reveal, he is the first instance of Cassandra showing us just how strong she is, his death motivates the resistance to fight, and the end credits scene was one of the funniest jokes in the entire movie. Human Torch has substance, Reed Richards did not
Did you just call it deadpool vs wolverine DvW it's deadpool AND wolverine
@@Thebatmaniac-o7x Sorry, typing on phone is hard, I fixed it
Honestly I'm more mad at how they killed prof X. Friendly reminder that he fought DARK PHOENIX telepathically and won, yet in MoM he's a wimp in the mind realm.
Sadly, that ain't Xavier from the X-Men movies, that's an Xavier that LOOKS like the one from the Fox continuity, but nah, he ain't him
Even in Logan, even drastically declining as a result of the strongest mind, Professor X’s seizures had the ability to kill/torture everyone around him accidentally. Variant or not, the way he went out still pisses me off
@@CrabKFPstill, he shouldn’t have died that easily
Another point is the reference itself.
For Krasinki the cameo required you to be an active part of the fandom to be aware of the reference
On the other hand a majority of Deadpools fans have probably watched or were familiar with the fantastic four movies and the fact that Chris Evens played two mayor marvel characters. Therefore a bigger percentage of the audience would understand and enjoy the cameo
The point doesn't quite work out when you realise to understand Channing Tatum's Gambit cameo you had to be on the fandom to get it too. It was just as much anticipated as Krasinski, but the difference is it paid off.
Op is right. I think John as reed and didn't even know Tatum was a gambit, those casting choices make me retch. The fans have zero taste and sense.
It's mostly because of it being the most wanted fan casting and Marvel just killed him just for a checklist. I think if John was casted back as Mr Fantastic in the new Fantastic 4 I think more people would be accepting it. Just my take. Still hype for Pascal's take on Mr Fantastic.
I don’t care for Pedro Pescal as an actor after he got all political and compared half the country to nazis because they are different thinkers to him. I’d much rather have John and Emily as Reed and Sue (since they did in fact kill it in quite place) but Emily didn’t want to do superhero movies. So whatever, fuck the fantastic four, I hope that film flops hard.
@@geeebuttersnap2433Please go outside and become a normal human being
Simple answer- John was given a very minimal screen time!! And his character didn't created any impact!! He just came and died
Whearas chris was given a decent screent time(for a cameo) and his character created an impact!! Like everybody in my theatre people were thinking it's Captain America until he said "Flame on"!! And even had a great chat with Deadpool 😂!!
Both the actors played the role well but it's always about writing!!
Well said friend !!!👏👏
Wrong. Krasinski cameo did work, the entire premise of saying his cameo didn’t work is just a lie. His bit explaining incursions has been one of the most important and reused clips since Endgame. On top of his death just being amazing when you first watch the movie because you don’t think Wanda is about to go that hard, but she does.
@@Byronic19134 I would love to see John Again as Mr.Fantastic but as a main character!! He deserves a lot of screen time!!
@@Byronic19134she only goes hard on everyone except the character she is supposed to go hard at. If they make a movie of 2hrs about plot holes and ridiculous writing of doctor strange 2 it'll turn out way better than the movie itself
In fairness, Johnny is fire or engulfed in flames. Pyro, however, has control over all fire and flame. Him absorbing Johnny isn't absurd or inaccurate, in fact he's done it in the comic (Ultimate, if I recall right.)
I think the real question is: How strong is Pyro's ability to manipulate fire? Can he contain a nuclear explosion?
Human Torch's fire is supposed to be so strong he can go supernova. That's why some fans believe Human Torch can overpower Pyro.
@@LeedleLee457 simple, there are strong as the writers need to be.
2:25 I don't know about that part. F4 movies may have had issues but Chris Evans was the perfect humans Torch along with Ben. The human torch, ben and Doom when the most memorable part of the F4. Reed Richards not that much
Chris Evans' cameo was comedic while John Krasinki's Reed ("Smartest man alive") just seriously revealed Black Bolt's power to Wanda, so she could block it. And then tried to attack the witch, who just had destroyed security and Black Bolt, by hand which, of course, failed
Donald the Duck? 🤨 You mean, Howard the Duck?...
😂
Well it is the multiverse.
it is Disney..right?
One was a cameo of an old character and a super meta joke
The other was fan casting that immediately got killed off, which felt like a middle finger
I’m just glad that Ioan Gruffudd wasn’t recasted. It would’ve been a spit in the face for long-time Marvel fans to see the original Mr. Fantastic get killed off as a gag. Not to mention, Johnny Storm wasn’t forgotten about immediately. Deadpool & Wolverine constantly reminded the audience that Johnny is dead
2:16 I DO. HUMAN TORHC WAS GOATED TAKE IT BAKC
Correction: You're wrong. Human Tourch is not stronger than Pyro. Pyro can control and manipulate fire. He can easily absorb the fire from Human Torch. In the same way, Rogue used Pyro's power by touching his leg to absorb the fire in X2 when Pyro went nuts on the police at Bobby's parent's house.
No, Johnny high diffs Pyro. Even without his flame, Pyro’s fire can’t melt his skin off in his human form, because his fire is weaker. He may have more control over it, but not more output like Johnny or basically anybody whose fire is weaker than Johnny’s cannot melt or hurt him. Even so, Johnny always beat Pyro in hand-to-hand combat situations time and time again. Johnny clears, albeit high difficulty because Pyro has proven himself a powerful adversary. It’s just funny to see that the MCU nerfed Johnny to oblivion, but they did it for a good reason.
Dude when you consider their power they are not even in same rank,Human Torch should wipe the floor with Pyro every time,he is immune to heat and fire while Pyro is only immune to the flames he controls and he cant generate flames.
All the Human Torch needs to do to win is just stand close by and raise his temperature to the point where Pyro just melts or suffocates.
These are variants. They don't have to follow the cannon of the main universe.
@@Scarlet_moon. so true
I liked how they did Elektra justice. Also it kinda messed up that Rambeu, Carter didn’t try to save Reed as Wanda was making him Betty Spaghetti
I can’t believe they took John krasinski away and gave us f*****g Pedro pascal😭😭😭
Krasinski said he wouldn't do more than 1 appearance, that's why
RIGHT ?!?!?!?!
mmiskarian2206 Krasinski apparently wasn’t interested in investing to the character long term. Playing a role like Reed Richards would’ve been a MASSIVE commitment long term. Given all the directing and producing Krasinski does now, I doubt he could’ve done that on top of playing one of Marvel’s most important characters
I care. Chris Evans human torch is one of my all time favorite heroes 😢
Same
Human torch was locked up. Mr. Fantastic was fighting someone in a straight line.
It would of been better if they actually tried to fight Wanda, but there was barely anything. Imagine Wanda using projections to avoid black bolt and have Mr. Fantastic punch a bunch of projection clones. They barely even got to show off their powers, even after being built up.
"i am a fan of john Krasinski being Reed!"
* Kills him off seconds later *
Reed Richard's didn't act anywhere near intelligent when confronting Wanda was my only problem with that
@shawngillespie3532 What? You're telling me you don't like the fact that the Smartest Man Alive told Wanda what Black Bolt's power was, thereby giving her an opportunity to counter it or stop him from using it?
Get out of here. 😤
Unfortunately a character can only be as smart as the person who wrote them. Even if the writer can give them more "knowledge" and "reactive thinking speed", they can't really improve the character's intelligence above their own.
It's kind of like sci-fi films in general. They don't take into account problems related to actual physics because the writers never realized certain things are problems. For example, Ironman falling from the wormhole should've died regardless of whether Hulk caught him or not. The only difference is that he should've snapped in half upon hitting Hulk's arm instead of being turned into canned mush when hitting the ground.
It's been fun seeing Johnny and Reed as canon fodder for multiverse movies, but I think it's time to take them seriously. I hope Fantastic Four: First Steps makes the team more respected in the MCU.
Multiverse of Madness sucked and Deadpool & Wolverine didn't.
Please 😂, Doctor Strange 2 neg diffs Deadpool and Wolverine in terms of how well-written the plot is. I liked Deadpool and Wolverine, I really did, but the cameos were the cover up for how messy the plot really is.
@@misterflibble2931Wrong, the cameos were to cover up for the awful writing in Doctor Strange 2, Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness is such a terrible film.
I believe you're right, Sir.
@@misterflibble2931 such a good plot that the character motivations had to literally be presented via a “memory tv player” that makes no sense and a Wanda who’s entire goal makes no sense when she can just hop to a universe that doesn’t have a Wanda and play mommy there instead of trauma-genociding over her make-belief children.
@@YouMissed2025 No it's not. It's better written than most of Phases 1 and 2 were.
7:54 excellent analysis but the death of the Human Torch is also a good joke, because Wade says that he broke the budget. So it’s even part of the joke. Tone is everything.
3:22 that's kind of wrong, Marvel allowed her to be in the trailer because the actor wanted to go to the red carpet premier.
Tickets literally sold out the week they went on sale
I still believe that the Johnny Storm cameo is a product of the late reshoots and he pretty much replaced the TVA agent that deadpool sent into the void in the opening scene. He also appeared in the trailers getting killed by Alioth.
Both could have served the same purpose of introducing Cassandra Nova
Yeah, the making of this movie is kinda a mess, would explain why it's plot is kinda barebones
John krasinskis didnt work because they made his mr fantastic a dumbass. Mfer revealed black bolts weakness to the girl who has reality warping powers 😂
Reed Richards giving away key information due to his overconfidence? No that would never ever happen
I totally agree with your explanation. Also I want to see Chris Evans's human torch and John krasinski's mr fantastic and emily blunt's mrs fantastic as one single team of fantastic 4, which will be awesome.
Deadpool snitched on Johnny on purpose to get him killed just because he wanted Chris Evans as Captain America, not the Human Torch.
No bruv it was cus Chris Evans was taking a toll on movie's budget
@@BabaSmeone Deadpool is a hardcore fan of Captain America, so it's not surprising for him to snitch on Johnny because he subverted his expectations.
It was because Johnny said he could be quoted on what he had said.
even then the human torch WAS the main character in the fantastic 4 movie when Chris evens said “it’s clobbering time”
@@ChristHoon you didn’t see the post credit scene ?
0:19 who is that beauty in the background?
Psylocke.
@@Xavier.living.life. 👍
Chris Evans
Ayesha Hussain
A mirror
I agree, it still hurts to see that scene after having mentioned his wife and kids. I never felt like it was a properly handled, well delivered cameo.
Thing is Krasinski didn't want to commit to a Marvel multi picture contract.
Why ?
@@haiderraad468I guess he doesn't want to feel obligated to do it.
Really like how you point out the difference between killing the human torch and Captain American. The aftermatch and curveball that Deadpool managed her is cool
Here’s why John’s appearance really didn’t work, people had been begging for him to play Mr Fantastic, then when we finally get him the writing was dog shat and his character was just dumb and then he’s killed and then almost immediately the company decides to replace him with a casting no one asked for. Where for Chris Evans appearance the character was already established and beloved by most and his story was already finished so his appearance in dp&w it’s just to show us what happened to those characters after their story was finished and it was pretty funny
*Correction* This Johnny Storm isn't from the 616 Universe. He might be from the same Fantastic Four Movie Universe or even from a different universe but with the same face as the one from the movie, because being in the void doesn't mean everything or everyone in there is from the 616 Universe
4:18 human torch and Mr. Fantastic has become spaghetti and meat sauce
The worst part about John's cameo is that it was first time he played this character.
I was happy to see Jim Halpert and then they killed him off in the worst way possible.
Cuz Krasinski's was Disney spitting in the mouth of fans that wanted that for years.
I had completely forgotten that Chris Evans had played Johnny Storm.
How I hate when earth-199999 is called 616, such a moronic slap to a comic book fans
Lol
Exactly
Hey, nobody cares
Perhaps it's the cinematic version of 199999 since you know it's not completely identical to 616 anyway
@@Prolificx Well MCU was 199999 originaly, then idiots from Disney that heared smth about 616 decided that it would be fun to name it earth 616
Even Chaning Tatum's cameo was better than that
the most surprising thing about dr.stranger 2 is : dr.strange is actually just a cameo in the american chavez movie 😂 😂 😂
I was hyped for John to play Reed Richards but when I saw it, even before the spaghetti death, it didn’t feel as right as I thought it would. It’s not just the bad death that makes it not work. I’m glad they did the cameo so we could see if it worked or not.
I was dying laughing in theatres when deadpool started ayjng the most heinous crao and then put it on the human torch
I would like to see living tribunal in the upcoming projects..! 🎉🎉
I'm still mad that Marvel went with Pedro Pascal instead of giving John Krasinski another chance, they gave him the most important line in the multiverse saga explaining the incursions and then kill him off two minutes later. Michael Waldron said that he originally wrote a scene were 838 Mister Fantastic regenerates himself and is seen recording the rest of the events of the film at the Baxter Foundation, but that scene was never filmed. So, as someone who really enjoyed seeing John Krasinski as Reed, in hindsight, his appearance does feel wasted.
Krasinski said he wasn't interested in more than a cameo appearance
Not gonna lie, I was upset Chris Evens' Human Torch died. I grew up on those films, and I liked the characters. Now I wasn't even a teenager, but I enjoyed watching the movies still, even watcjed it on repeat with the DVD.
I didn't complain about Sabertooth's death because that was referenced in XMen: Origins, when Sabertooth asked: "Jimmy, do you even know how to kill me?"
Wolverine: "I'm gonna cut your fuckin head off, see if that works."
That was literally the best part of that shit show.
John's Reed being called the smartest man before being killed like a goon...
They probably just didn't like him in the role and were like, "Here you go. You can shut up now."
And about Johnny. I would've preferred keeping him alive, but at that point what can you even do with the character so I totally understand. Especially now that the new F4 is coming out.
My problem is easily summed up in two sentences
>Supposed to be the smartest man
>Explains his trump card to enemy
That's on tope of the fact that black bolt trained to never make a sound by accident yet screamed because his mouth was sealed despite inhumans being able to do much more horrific things. On top of that, that is not how sound works. Closing your mouth doesn't reflect your soundwave s back in, it just dampens it a little. His powers should have worked anyway
Chris Evans really surprised me in Deadpool. He managed to convey that he was that stupid Human Torch from 20 years ago but was still hardened by the void. I always thought he was likeable, but that's the first time I was impressed by the duality of a performance.
The tone of Dr. Strange 2 seems like Dr Strange is a side character in his own movie. That’s not a good thing sidelining your main character.
Still waiting on Doctor Strange 2. All we got was 1 and a spinoff movie 😢
Deadpool and Wolverine is Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness supposed to be.
Gutless fanservice with no plot?
@@ShadowSonic2nah MoM already was that
That is exactly why I don’t watch movie trailers anymore. Because me having no idea i was going to see X23 all grown up again in Deadpool and Wolverine made it so much better.
DrStrange 2 is a good movie?? Wanda works??? Strange has a great development???
It must be a deep satire
As an office fan how dare Disney insult the actor who plays Jim.
I just hope Krasinski comes back as Reed Richards
Probably not gonna be more than another cameo at this point since Pedro pascal is playing him in the new F4 movie.
@@aregularfanofmedia4184I swear to god if I see pedo pascal in one more thing bro
@@aregularfanofmedia4184pedro* that was not intentional…
If only chess had a time stone on a necklace to undo the loss of our most powerful pieces 🤔
The scene with Chris Evans was ACTUALLY a cameo. Recasting and treating them like a new character is in no way a cameo, so it doesn’t work like one.
I was more peeved at how Johnny got killed unceremoniously than Reed's death.
Making reed as the dumbest man alive doesnt help him
Honestly the ending credits scene bringing the bit to a full circle and understanding that DP was legit being honest was super hilarious.
I honestly wanted to see John Krasinski play him again and actually get a chance to play him right, because the dr strange just wasted him so fast and made him look so dumb, like yeah i can say he sucked in that, but i feel like the writing had everything to do with it and not the actor idk maybe its just me
I still think multiverse of madness is overhated. The horror element was new and refreshing for a marvel movie
We didn't remember? It was awesome to pull Chris Evan's character from F4 with DP initially thinking he was Cap. It reminded me of DP making fun of Ryan's original DP and Green Lantern or even the nod to the Blade 3 drama between Ryan and Wesley Snipes.
Radcliff for wolverine is some peoples fan pick, I'm not shouting for it
I watched Deadpool and Wolverine opening night and I'd forgotten about Chris Evans being the human torch. So I see Chris Evans and expect Captain America getting comedically flipped, a so-so outcome... but then after the buildup and he says 'FLAME ON!' and flies up in fire? There was an initial wave of people who immedietly understood... then a split second wave for the rest of us who'd unlocked an apparently forgotten memory. It was a glorious scene and it all fit the human torch to a perfect tee.
Both got turned into food, but at least Johnny had SOME meaning unlike Multiverse of Madness.
"but if we see a variant from the fox universe, they can do whatever they want with him, it's not if those movies were that good" it was literally peak super hero movie era
I think a more fair comparison is Gambit since he's a never seen before variant and was pulled off
Agreed
But gambit didn't die if your talking about 97 then your wrong as it was important to the story and he's coming back in season 2 as death Apacolypse horseman
Chris Evans was good as the Human Torch and I'm happy the FF 2000's movies are starting to get some appreciation.
Johns cameo was great what? He gave us a taste of his Mr Fantastic before telling us to Fuck Off lol.
How cool would it be if Daniel Radcliffe’s Wolverine fought the Hulk in Deadpool & Wolverine
8:30 Did you mean Howard?
No, it’s the Disney-vers
If they brought in Daniel Radcliffe as a Wolverine cameo and didn’t kill him off in a ridiculous way I would be immensely disappointed.
Still so sad we won't see John Krasinski as Reed. He was perfect 😭
when jim from the office showed up in the office i almost burst out laughing in the theater because i just thought of him doing his jim face at the camera
0:36 those random clips ☠️
The fact he was put in to play in the fantastic 4 is a good thing because this teases that he will be playing in future fantastic 4 movies. Since this is a alternate universe, so dont forget that key detail. He may have died in that universe but this confirms he will be playing as Mr fantastic in the current universe for MCU
I just love how the MCU seems to hate The Fantastic Four as much as I do 😂 (Reed Richard’s death was hilariously brutal)
Why do you hate the fantastic four what did they do to you they are like one of the most famous super hero teams definitely more famous then the avengers was before there movies.
The MCU actually like the fantastic 4 their putting more time on them with the movie they're doing, kevin said it himself, they we're the first family
I like Deadpool and Wolverine and Professor X but I don't really like the X-Men in MCU. And I can't stand that they put the old Spider-Man into the MCU. Not a popular opinion but No Way Home was cheap crap fan service. Ruined the MCU.
Ain’t no way bruh, I will not tolerate fantastic four hate😤
@@Bonesphwhat, how?
I dont think theres any issues with characters dying, even in silly ways, so long as theyre in character.
Johnny is a hot head, everything he did was true to the character
Reed didnt form plans, didnt use future tech, didnt do anything except turn into shredded rubber bands...
To be honest, the Human Torch is one of my favorite superheroes, and seeing him nerfed and treated as a punching bag made me mad. Deadpool's excuse for his demise (inflating the budget) is bullshit, and I still hold it that both John Krasinski's Reed Richards and Chris Evans's Johnny Storm were killed off for the same reason. Marvel wants moviegoers to forget about those characters because they have another version of the Fantastic Four to make money and merchandising off of.
Kinda feels like it, although I do only have Johnny's out of context, spoiled through shorts😑, so I haven't seen all of his scenes, but I saw him get manhandled by pyro🙃
Deadpool's excuse is a joke. He's in the movie for the joke, and it's not that serious. Deadpool and Wolverine is a comedy movie first and foremost.