Same here. The number of movies could even be kept the same by having a Thor movie in 2011 and Cap 1 in 2012 before Avengers, with no "epilogue" movie to the Phase. Also, Black Widow and Hawkeye could still be in the movie. They are SHIELD agents, no need to establish them prior. No twins, Spider-man could stay or go.
Workaround: in Avengers 1, Thor is introduced as "Dr. Donald Blake," having amnesia from his exile and being revealed to have powers and helping the Avengers before going off on a journey to find out more about who he really is in the Thor movies in Phase 2.
Then in this world, DC sold their rights to their heavy hitters so they had to base their cinematic universe around the Justice League International, with the main members being Ted Kord/Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Black Canary, Green Arrow, Firestorm, and Shazam.
He did a video on that, where DC sold the rights to their biggest characters Superman Batman and Wonder Woman. He should definitely remake that video but make some changes
@@joelsilva699I saw that video, but I think it would be better if they sold the main Justice League members to various studios and have DC have to make a JLI focused universe
That almost happened. In 1998, Sony had a choice to either buy the film rights to Spider-man for a $7M or nearly every Marvel character except Spider-man for $25M; they chose the former. Then Sony said: "Nobody gives a damn about the other Marvel characters."
@RARARASPUTIN1914 it was a good call for the time though. Spider-man was always a heavy hitter. I'm not sure if the modern state of comic book movies could've been achieved without already massive franchises like Spider-man or X-Men getting movies to pave the way for it.
@sheepylee12 The original comic book Avengers roster like in Earth's Mightiest Heroes should have happened here. What a GOATed show, though. It was Marvel's version of the Justice League cartoons.
Back in the days when Stan Lee would sell the rights to anyone, Howard the Duck came about because George Lucas found the comic while traveling. If Stan had all the rights for the characters and forethought to combine his and Lucas's merchandising, maybe he could've convinced Lucas there was a bigger market for the Superheroes and we would've got a Lucasfilm produced MCU in the 80's and 90's.
@@justice_productions_I mean, look at Star Wars. Not the best but Lucas was a smart guy, even the Star Wars prequels despite how much shit they get held up for years after compared to other CGI in Hollywood, I seriously doubt Lucas would do the effects poorly
I’ve seen many TH-camrs do this exact topic, wondering what the MCU would look like if they had the rights since the beginning but out of all of them, yours is easily one of the best executed universes I’ve ever seen. You were able to bring so many superheroes and teams and made it all work so well. Fantastic job.
I find it funny how even in a universe where marvel was allowed to use Cpt.Marvel, the plot-line where Rouge absorbs Carol’s powers still never happens and she presumably falls into the background of both the X-men films & the wider MCU.
You didn't need to take out Hawkeye.. considering the fact he was first introduced then, and Thor is part of the Avenger's trinity in the comics (Cap, Iron Man, Thor) and he should've gotten a movie before
Not having Thor in the 2012 Avengers movie in this world could be similar to how the Avengers didn’t debut with Cap, Iron Man, and Thor in the first issue in 1963 with Cap appearing in issue 4
@@joelsilva699 Yea but Cap's part made sense, he was frozen in ice, this just purposely chooses not to incorporate Thor as a founding member which is silly
I feel like this would have been a good opportunity to have the original comic book accurate Avengers roster with Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man and the Wasp with Captain America being there too since his movie already came out. This roster feels kinda weird for the very first Avengers movie in this universe. Maybe it could work in the sequel, but it's definitely not here.
@@SecretMagicianagreed. It’s odd to me how the guy in the video says that Ant-Man and the wasp won’t get a movie because they aren’t popular, but he still gives Iron Man a movie. Which makes sense in the context of the fact that he’s kinda the face of the Avengers, but if Marvel is purely playing it safe like he implied, would they even bother to introduce Iron Man at all?
i would have released iron man a bit early, though still after spiderman and xmen, and iron man 2 with war machine and black widow alongside thor before the avengers 2012
@ThisisHuzaifa this should have been the original comic book Avengers members, Iron Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Hulk, and Thor. It was the perfect opportunity to have them be in this version of the MCU, but he pulled a Snyderverse Justice League instead. Same thing with the X-Men. They should have been the First Class roster with Cyclops, Jean Grey, Angel, Beast, and Iceman, but he didn't do that either.
I would have keep Thor with this be his introduction movie. Loki would still be the main villain and the first Thor movie would be a mix of Thor and Thor the Dark World. I also don't think Spider-Man should be a founding member. I would probably make him an Avenger here but then leave because "save the world" type of missions aren't his thing. For the last two members i would either keep Black Widow and Hawkeye (with this movie as their official debut) or Ant-Man and Wasp. Even if using Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver didn't bother much to me.
2008: 2:34 Amazing Spider Man 3:09 X-Men 3:45 Hulk 2009: 4:11 Fantastic Four 2010: 4:49 Spectacular Spider Man 5:28 Iron Man 2011: 5:53 Incredible Hulk 6:10 Captain America The First Avenger 6:25 X-Men United 2012: 6:57 Avengers 9:08 Fantastic Four Into the Negative Zone 2013: 9:30 X-Men Apocalypse 9:57 Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man 10:34 Iron Man 2 2014: 10:51 Daredevil 11:40 Captain America Winter Soldier 11:55 Thor 2015: 12:15 Fantastic Four Rise Of the Silver Surfer 12:48 Avengers Age of Ultron 13:37 Blade 2016: 14:30 Planet Hulk 15:05 Avengers Vs. X-Men 16:12 Ghost Rider 2017: 16:47 Ultimate Spider Man 17:36 Daredevil And The Punisher 18:12 Captain America Brave New World 18:52 Iron Man Armor Wars 2018: 19:56 Thor Ragnarok 20:40 Doctor Strange 21:24 Avengers Infinity War 22:08 X-Men Dark Pheonix 2019: 23:05 Midnight Suns 24:00 Captain Marvel 24:10 Avengers Endgame 27:01 The Wolverine
It's my understanding that the Ed Nortan recast was actually a rights issue, but not in the traditional sense. What I remember hearing is that Marvel wanted Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk from the start, but Universal was adamant that Ed Nortan should have the role. And following the Incredible Hulk, Norton didn't like that he wouldn't have any writing power in future installments, and chose to step away, allowing Marvel to recast him to Mark Ruffalo like they wanted originally.
That's a shame. I understand being hesitant over letting an actor in in that department, but I feel like Ed could've done so much for the Hulk character, especially compared to what we actually got
I always thought that if The X-Men and Fantastic 4 were present during the snap, all the X-Men but Wolverine would be dusted and the Fantastic 4 but Johnny and Ben would be dusted.
yeah nah they wouldn't strip that amount of the x-men, just look at house of M in which still kept a couple mutants around and it was with the help of dr strange and emma frost to help prevent it affecting everyone
i would make deadpool the only tv show and have it be a way to recap all mcu projects. so people can go ''hmm i'm gonna watch the new movie and want to prepare. i can watch all 34 movies before this one or i can just watch this episode of deadpool.''
Deadpool could easily be a tv show. Most of what makes deadpool deadpool is that we see him to regular every day things. You could easily stretch out a story for deadpool through a multi season tv series
Yeah, I was about to say, the title & term "Ragnarok" isn't just used willy-nilly, as it has connections to Norse mythology. Asgard's destruction is kind of the whole point, as it's the realm of the Norse gods.
@@SecretMagician Oh yeah, no slight against him necessarily, as one can't know everything after all. And up until Love & Thunder ran the joke into the ground, non-hardcore Thor fans were more than content with him being turned into a surfer bro halfwit. Ah, the magic of Phase 3's pop culture dominance. 😜
@SlavaPalestineGaza What do you think of my MCU ideas? I posted this elsewhere but wanted to say it here, too. Personally, what I'd do is have the original Avengers members with Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Wasp, and Hulk in the first Avengers movie with all of them having solo movies beforehand, but have Hulk leave the team after stopping Loki and in a post-credits scene, show the Avengers accidentially finding Captain America while looking for Hulk. Black Widow, Hawkeye, Vision, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver can show up in either solo movies or in future Avengers films as members. Ultron would be a Hank Pym creation which takes all his worst qualities into one being and creates Vision, and also creates the Masters of Evil to be his henchmen who would be some villains left unresolved from previous films like Justin Hammer as Titanium Man, Amora the Enchantress, Abomination, etc. This act leads to Hank quitting the Avengers at the end, which leads to his downward spiral of becoming Yellowjacket in an Ant-Man and the Wasp sequel (he wouldn't abuse Janet though). The first Ant-Man and the Wasp movie would be about them dealing with M.O.D.O.K. and A.I.M., with the second one after Age of Ultron with Hank as Yellowjacket, be about Scott Lang stealing the Ant-Man suit. The events of that film would lead to Hank quitting active superheroics and being Scott's guy in the chair from now on with him also getting therapy. The X-Men would have the First Class roster with Cyclops, Beast, Jean Grey, Angel, and Iceman with Magneto and the Brotherhood being the villains (Toad, Mystique, Juggernaut, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch), basically adapting the TH-cam, SUPER FRAME's X-Men film ideas. The Fantastic Four can stay the same with Sue not being played by Jessica Alba (it's clear she was cast just for fanservice when you think about it) and Chris Evans not be Johnny since he'll be Captain America, and adapt that unused longer, more action packed and dramatic script from 1996 by Michael France, with Doom making a molecular alteration machine and a giant continent spanning hurricane in the last act. An Incredible Hulk sequel would have Hulk on the run with the Leader as the villain, but the secondary villains would be Weapon X soldiers which are Wolverine, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Deadpool and Lady Deathstrike tasked by Thunderbolt Ross to find Hulk. Wolverine would leave the team to help Hulk in stopping the Leader's gamma mutant plans in the third act while the other Weapon X members would get brainwashed, mutated, and eventually escape after stopping the Leader (this combines the Hulk vs. Wolverine animated movie and the Gamma World two-parter from Earth's Mightiest Heroes with Wolverine taking Hawkeye's place in that film). A post-credits scene would show Wolverine being recruited by the X-Men setting up the Giant-Size X-Men roster in that movie's sequel. The overarching villain of this version of the first three phases wouldn't be Thanos because it would feel a bit derivative of what we actually have, so it would either be Dr. Doom, Galactus, or Surtur instead. I've come to the conclusion that the replacement for Infinity War and Endgame that serves as the complete MCU crossover events would be a combination of Secret Invasion with Dark Reign. From Phase 2, we get various hints of other characters involved in this secretly being Skrulls having taken them hostage and replaced them and a Secret Invasion movie would be the resolution to this. With the world in shambles afterwards, Doctor Doom takes advantage of this and becomes a public hero, creating a new team called the Thunderbolts to replace the Avengers as they are split up while the X-Men and Fantastic Four (especially the X-Men) are disillusioned and divided as well. Meanwhile Thanos would be pushed into a Phase 5 or 6 villain. This would be where, just like in the comics (if I'm not wrong), barely anyone aside from space faring characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy, Nova Corps, Shi'ar, Kree and the Skrull know about him until he snaps the Infinity Gauntlet and half the universe disappears. This would do a lot, give us a proper comic book, accurate Avengers, Fantastic Four and X-Men roster and tone, build up all three teams and the characters involved in an interesting way, and finally give us that Wolverine vs. Hulk fight we've always wanted. The other characters I didn't talk about here, like Spider-Man, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, etc, can show up the same, like in this video, though.
@@SecretMagician In my MCU I also have the Avengers form with the original Avengers team + Captain America. They would fight Loki in Avengers 1. I also introduce Wolverine in his own solo movie to introduce the X-Men but he is not part of the Avengers. I think I would make it a multi-time period movie and show Logan as soldier before the modern-day. I would introduce Hawkeye & Black Widow in their own movie before Avengers 2. In Avengers 2 the main villain would be MODOK & AIM. I'd give Magneto a time period movie in WW2 and Scarlet Witch & Quiksilver their own movie before X-Men 2 which introduces the Brotherhood of Mutants. (In X-Men 1 they'd fight the Sentinels.) I would also make a horribly tragic arc about "The Fall of Ant-Man". In Avengers 3 (which involves the Inhumans & Fantastic 4), I would introduce Galactus as the main villain with Silver Surfer as well. I would need all three superhero teams just to show how much of a threat Galactus is. By the end of the movie, the Wasp, who is Janet van Dyne, would be in a coma. Janet's coma coupled with the threat of Galactus would give make Hank go crazy about building a suit of armor around the world (like MCU Iron Man). This leads to Ultron. Ultron destroys Oderstadt, which would the capital of my version of Latveria. Doctor Doom (who would have been introduced in the first Fantastic 4 as Reed Richard's academic rival) would have lost his family in this event. In the first Fantastic 4, Doom would be introduced as a troubled scientist trying to bring back his mother, but not necessarily a villain. I'd also touch on anti-Romani sentiments in Latveria after WW2 & how this also contributed to his mother's deal with Mephisto & then Doom's quest. After Doom found a family & became a Latverian diplomat & scientist, he would find some peace and forgive Reed. However, when Ultron kills Doom's family, Doom would be furious and would hate Hank Pym. Doom would also hate Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and Reed Richards for not stopping Pym. This leads to Doom overthrowing the U.S. backed Latverian monarchy & renaming the new capital city of New Oderstadt to Doomstadt. Eventually, the Fantastic 4 & Avengers are sent to Latveria (leading to the X-Men, Defenders, & Inhumans hating the Avengers & Fantastic 4). Using his popularity among the Latverian people & the Avengers & Fantastic 4's morals, Doom makes it harder to kill him, using his tech & magic as well. Eventually, Doom kills Hank Pym & tells the Avengers & Fantastic 4 to leave Latveria or face nuclear war (Latveria is located in modern day Silesia in my MCU). At the end of Avengers 5, Janet wakes up & learns of Hank's death. I'd also have Scott Lang become the second Ant-Man much later down the timeline. For the X-Men I'd give them a five movies where their villains would be the Sentinels, then the Brotherhood of Mutants, then Apocalypse, then Cassandra Nova, then the Dark Phoenix where Professor X would die & lead to Cyclops becoming leader of the X-Men & him defeating the Inhumans in Inhumans vs. X-Men & then the X-Men being defeated & dissolved in Avengers vs. X-Men. The Fantastic 4 would have a trilogy where their villains would be Mole Man, Super-Skrull, and Annihilus. The Hulk would have 9 movies, with Hulk 1, Hulk 2, Hulk 3, Hulk & She-Hulk, Hulk & the Thing, Hulk vs. Red Hulk, Hulk vs, Wolverine, Planet Hulk, & World War Hulk. Hulk 1 would have Abomination as the villain, Hulk 2 would have Absorbing Man as the villain & Hulk 3 would have The Leader as the villain with Zzzax as a secondary villain created by The Leader. Hulk & She-Hulk could face off against a She-Hulk villain or a new villain or an old Hulk villain. Hulk & the Thing would have a massively juiced up Juggernaut as the villain. Hulk vs. Wolverine would lead to the Hulk being launched into space & lead to Planet Hulk & then World War Hulk. I'd have Wolverine as a founding member or early member of the X-Men, but Wolverine would also connect to the Avengers in many ways. In my MCU I'd have six teams: the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the Defenders, the X-Men, Guardians of the Galaxy, and the Inhumans. I might include the Thunderbolts, but I don't see where I could fit them in in my MCU, maybe I could have a comedic film where the US sends the Thunderbolts in Latveria only to get absolutely massacred by Doom's army, or maybe I could have the Thunderbolts have a similar plot to The Suicide Squad. I would have 100+ movies & start with Iron Man & end with Scarlet Witch & Vision 2, a nice wholesome movie to cap off the cinematic universe/multiverse. Honestly, I like your MCU ideas and your more comic accurate Avengers. I also liked the way you envision Hank Pym's fall & redemption, I just wanted to make it more tragic and use it as set up to establish Doctor Doom's cunning and him not being a total villain as he is smarter than that. I also like your X-Men & Fantastic 4, although I personally would want to save Doom for an Avengers & Fantastic 4 film. I also like your Hulk but would want to use Wolverine as an X-Men member from the start, have Sabertooth be solely a Wolverine villain and also use Deadpool like in his movies and have him play as role in the MCU and have him also have movies with Gwenpool at the tail end of the MCU. I really like your ideas and wanting to give comic accurate tone & rosters.
@SlavaPalestineGaza your ideas sound really interesting, but could you please split it up into paragraphs? It was definitely a good read but a bit hard to follow because of how long it was, and splitting it up into segmented paragraphs could make it easier to read through.
Here’s my MCU so far. I don’t know where to put House of M or Thunderbolts tbh. Iron Man 1 Hulk 1 Wolverine 1 Thor 1 Captain America 1 (Red Skull & Madame HYDRA) Ant-Man & The Wasp 1 Avengers 1 (Loki) Spider Man 1 Wolverine 2 Fantastic 4 #1 (Mole-Man) Viktor Denikin is hurt & mutilated in an accident but, he recovers but is disfigured) Iron Man 2 Hulk 2 Gambit & Rogue Thor 2 Cyclops & Jean Grey Spider Man 2 Captain America 2 (Baron Zeno & Baron Strucker) X-Men 1 (Sentienels & rogue US general) Captain Marvel 1 Iron Man 3 Fantastic 4 #2 (Super Skrull) Spider Man 3 Blackbolt 1 Inhumans 1 Hulk 3 Colossus & Emma Frost Captain America 3 (Winter Soldier & neo-HYDRA) Hawkeye & Black Widow Avengers 2 (MODOK) Daredevil The Punisher Daredevil vs. The Punisher Spider Man 4 Magneto Scarlet Witch & Quiksilver Hawkeye & Black Widow 2 X-Men 2 (Magneto, Juggernaut & Evil Mutants) Iron Man 4 Hulk & She Hulk Luke Cage Elektra Iron Fist The Defenders Captain America 4 (Doctor Faustus, Batroc, Crossbones) Wolverine & the Beast The Hulk & the Thing (Juiced up Juggernaut) Spider Man 5 Black Widow vs. Elektra Medusa Inhumans 2 Armor Wars Wolverine 3 Rogue & Nightcrawler X-Men 3 (Apocalypse) Captain America 5 (Helmut Zemo & Arnim Zola) Thor 3 Spider Man & Daredevil Docto Strange 1 Captain Marvel 1 Avengers, Inhumans, & Fantastic 4 #1 (Galactus & Silver Surfer) (the Wasp put into a coma) Deadpool 1 Fantastic 4 #3 (Annhilius) Dr. Strange 2 Viktor Denikin 1 (Explains Dr. Doom’s origins & quest to free his mother’s soul from Mephisto, but how failed and was mutilated by his own technology, eventually putting his quest on hiatus after finding love and a family) Avengers 3: Age of Ultron occurs: Ultron gets created by Yellowjacket (Ant-Man who went crazy after the Wasp was put into a coma in a previous movie and after his hometown and parents were fatalities in a previous Avengers film. Yellowjacket is obsessed with protecting the world. Tony Stark & Bruce Banner agree to help, but even with their complexity and impulsivity, even they see that Ultron is not yet ready for use with tests showing Ultron comes to far too authoritarian solutions to problems. Ultron has secretly been learning from the Avengers database that humans are bad and starts resisting his pro-human programming. Yellowjacket doesn’t care and secretly releases Ultron without Avengers or US approval. He is desperate to defend the world. Ultron then turns on Yellowjacket and tries to kill him in secret. That fails, alerting the Avengers. Instead of pursuing, Ultron flees the scene and gets far enough away with enough robots to ensure his survival. Ultron eventually comes to the conclusion that humans are evil and must be destroyed. That only AI and machines were pure and and that they would have peace. Ultron creates Vision & Jocasta. Ultron enacts his plans launches massive cyberattacks absolutely destroying the world economy and distributing wealth at random, causing chaos all over the world. And causing massive accidents and failures in technology, leading to thousands dying. Ultron then enacts the final phase of his plan, using the capital of Latveria, Oderstadt, to destroy the world. Ultron does this, and the Avengers stop him. In the destruction of Oderstadt, the family of a certain Viktor Denikin are killed. Spider Man 6 Doctor Doom 2 - With the American Avengers causing the destruction of Oderstadt, the Latverian people call for the extradition of Yellowjacket. The US government, which has now put the neutral Latverian monarchy on life support, does not allow this. The people of Latveria are angry and are gunned down by the Latverian military. The genius weapons expert and Latverian diplomat, Viktor Denikin orchestrates the overthrow of the Latverian monarchy before the eruption of civil war in Latveria. He appeases the Latverian military and helps refugees from the destruction of Oderstadt. King Denikin changes his name to last name to Doom as anti-western propaganda. He names the new refugee city go Doomstadt and makes it the new Latverian capital. Avengers & Fantastic 4: War of Doom - Doom then calls for the extradition of Yellowjacket to Latveria. The US government tries to kill Doom and install a friendly leader, but this fails. Doom builds up the Latverian military and threatens to invade Germany, Poland & Czechia. With no resort other than sending in the Avengers, the US government does this and tell them to kill Doom. Yellowjacket was exposed by Doom to have released Ultron and exposed Stark for covering it up. A guilty Yellowjacket, now turned Ant-Man see the Wasp return from her coma. Stark tells Yellowjacket to stay back and not go to Latveria with the rest of the Avengers because Doom would target Ant-Man. The Avengers & Fantastic 4 go, souring relations with the X-Men & Inhumans. Doom & the Avengers are an equal match. The people of Doomstadt fight the Avengers, but because the Avengers don’t want to kill the people of Doomstadt, they struggle to defeat and get to Doom. This experience of the people of Doomstadt fighting the Avengers sows seeds for Civil War. Doom captures Ant-Man and kills him in front of the Wasp. The Wasp tries to kill Doom, and she is captured, but Doom decides to spare her. Doom tells the Avengers that they are free to go. The Avengers only facing the people of Doomstadt and Doom himself (with a reverse engineered successful Ultron system). The Avengers realize killing a figure as popular as Doom would both require more Avengers to die and turn Latveria against the Avengers. The Avnegers retreat and Doom wins. The government is angry and leave Latveria alone. After the Latveria scandal, the government officials involved with it are disgraced, with General Ross being fired (leading to Red Hulk). However, the Latverian Scandal does leave the US government skeptical about the loyalties of superheroes. And with the many crimes of the Avengers, a national debate forms around how much the government should control the Avengers. Hulk vs. Red Hulk Black Panther 1 Inhumans 3 Captain America 6 (Serpent Society) X-Men 4 (Cassandra Nova) Dr. Strange 3 Deadpool & Black Widow (Taskmaster) Hulk vs. Wolverine (Hulk launched into space by Professor X, Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, Blackbolt, and Doctor Strange.) Guardians of the Galaxy 1 Blade 1 Spider Man 7 X-Men Dark Phoenix (Death of Professor X) X-men vs. Inhumans (Cyborg becomes leader of the mutants & destroy the Terrigen Mists, the Mutants win) Avengers vs. X-Men, after it is revealed the Phoenix force is still on affecting the mutants and after the events of Dark Phoneix, the Avengers are sent in to round up the X-Men and strong arm them to move into a territory in the desert and become a government team. After the Death of Professor X (due to Phoenix Force Jean Grey) Cyborg becomes leader of the team and refuses to give into this demand, saying it would ruin the progress of Professor X. The Avengers and Captain America are given the order to attack the X-Men. Cyborg and the X-Men declare war on the U.S. The Phoenix Force arrives and splits into 4 X-Men and into Namor, leader of Atlantis. Namor takes his army and floods Wakanda, bringing Wakanda & Atlantis into the US-X-men war. Eventually, the Avengers win and the X-men are defeated. Namor is replaced and arrested with Wakandan & American navy keeping tabs on Atlantis and having them pay reparations to Wakanda. In prison, Magneto tells Cyborg that he was right, demoralizing Cyborg and showing the tragedy of Professor X being wrong about humanity in some ways. Many X-Men are on the run, like Wolverine, and many X-Men are in prison. The events of Avengers vs. X-Men lead to a civil war… (the Avengers won) Black Panther 2 Moonknight 1 Ghost Rider 1 Spider Man 8 Deadpool & Wolverine Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Ms. Marvel Planet Hulk Spider Man & Deadpool Avengers Civil War: with the crimes of the Avengers and the the X-Men fighting the US, the US & the UN call for the Superhero Registration Accord. With Captain America holding the government’s usage of the Avengers against Doom & against the X-Men as evidence of being against the Accord & Iron Man using the X-Men action & the Yellowjacket’s activation of Ultron as evidence of being for the Accord. Team Iron Man: Wasp, War Machine, Black Panther, Mr. Fantastic, Dr. Strange, Invisible Woman, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Spider-Man, Captain Britain, Ms. Marvel, Luke Cage, Punisher, Wong, Scott Lang Ant-Man Team Captain America: Thor, She-Hulk, Human Torch, The Thing, Blade, Ghost Rider, Black Widow, Quicksilver, Captain Marvel, Moonknight, Falcon, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Wolverine, Winter Solider Captain Marvel 2 World War Hulk Spider-Man & Venom Black Panther 3 Guardians of the Galaxy 3 Infinity War The Sentry The Eternals Endgame (Human Torch, Wasp & Iron Man, & Hulk die) Guardians of the Galaxy 4 She Hulk Thor 4 Dr. Strange & Scarlet Witch (Mephisto, Multiverse is introduced) Ant-Man 2 Shang-Chi Young Avengers: Reign of Grey Gargoyle Iron heart Spider Man vs. Sinister 6 (Mile Morales is introduced) Iron Lad Avengers, Inhumans & Fantastic 4: Kang the Conqueror (Death of Spider Man, Captain America, Thor, & Wolverine) Spider-Woman Mighty Thor & Lady Thor Falcon & the Winter Soldier Spider Man 9 Young Avengers 2: Return of Grey Gargoyle Deadpool & Gwenpool Doctor Strange 5 (Multiverse of Madness) Man-Thing Captain America 7 (Falcon in the New Captain America) Spider-Man 10: Across the Spiderverse Spider-Man 11: Beyond the Spiderverse X-Men 5 (Cyclops becomes leader of X-Men again) X-23 Scarlet Witch & Vision Kree-Skrull War Captain Marvel 3 Secret Invasion Deadpool & Gwenpool 2 Secret Wars Deadpool & Gwenpool 3 Scarlet Witch & Vision 2
@@SlavaPalestineGaza while this does sound interesting, I feel like certain characters and projects could be introduced in series instead of films with multiple seasons in order to make things less cluttered and certain films could be cut because they either sound too fanfic-y or are somewhat unnecessary.
Even before the MCU Thor was one of the big 3 of the Avengers, regardless they would’ve given him his own movie before the avengers and he would’ve been on the team, Loki was even their first villain in the comics so there would be no reason not to include him. Also Guardians and Ant-man would’ve still happened more of less when they did, Ant-man was still a known character and that movie was in developed during the early days of the MCU and Guardians was obscured even by MCU standards and was chosen to be given a movie as an experiment and to cash in on the Star Wars void, them having all the rights wouldn’t have changed that.
Pretty sure there’s a comic book with that premise where characters from each world were mixed with their counterparts from the other world (e.g. thanos and darkseid being thanseid)
@nopizza4you It was the Amalgam Comics that did that, yes. There was also other amalgamations such as Darkclaw (Batman + Wolverine), Super Soldier (Superman + Captain America), Iron Lantern (Green Lantern + Iron Man), and way more!
I feel like nor enough people understand that Avengers initially were created because the characters by themselves were never big enough to sell books by themselves, putting them together and adding Hulk who was by far the most popular one was just an attempt to save them as characters. But a lot of series later this obviously changed and if team was formed in the 10s it would have a completely different roster.
Imo this is kinda all over the place. I think Phase One should've kept the same, introduce the Avengers but include Spider-Man as well. Introducing three teams at once is kinda convoluted especially given that the MCU in the early days wasn't THAT confident. Making it more linear, tell an enclosed story about The Avengers formation. Then introduce the X-Men in the next phase and in place of GotG introduce the F4. Make the last Phase Two movie a team up between Avengers and X-Men so that we only have 2 storylines (Avengers and F4) instead of 3 totally disconnected team storylines
Yeah, it feels weird having a Mix of real world MCU movies kinda being dragged out of their context and put intanother universe. I feel like changing some of the real world movies to match the fake ones would have worked better. There are some cool ideas though such as Red Skull as an Avengers villain.
Bro, you’re not understanding. The MCU only actually starts happening because of iron man in this version. The Xmen and Spider-Man would without a doubt get a first movie, after Ironman and hinting at something more than their confidence would blow up. You’re underestimating the popularity of the Xmen and Spider-Man, and if Ironman blows up like in our universe too the floodgates would open even more
24:33 i respect your perspective, there’s no universe where The Avengers are more over than the X-Men had marvel had the film rights from the beginning
Another thing that could happen in Endgame is Spidey killing someone because of the Venom suit, and then the guilt he feels could be explored or expanded on in his next movie, allowing Miles to be introduced as a sort of recovery method for Peter. Just a thought though
You could make a video on "What if Marvel had an animated universe similar to the DCAMU and Tomorrowverse?" Like instead of Flashpoint Paradox, it could have Quicksilver change the timeline. Have Howard Stark be Iron Man, a war between the Atlanteans and Wakandans. Then have the first Avengers movie, be them fighting against the Shatari and Thanos. The counterpart for Apokolips War could be a messy mix between Infinity Guantlet, Infinity War, and Endgame. For Justice Society WW2, it could be Quicksilver encountering the Invaders. For the Long Halloween, it could be a mix between Demon in A Bottle and Armor Wars. And to end the universe would be a Secret Wars 3-Part finale!
Just like movies, the video makes it out that Phoenix is EVERYTHING for X-Men even though X-Men have so much lore. A The X-Men movie saga ending with with their own nation of Krakoa would be perfect imo
I hate How people act like the Avengers were never popular and only became popular bc of the MCU and act like the X-Men were always popular when that wasnt the case. infact their debut series was so bad that it got cancelled and for like 10 Years Spider-Man, FF4 and the Avengers were the Faces of Marvel and it wasnt until 1975 where the X-Men started to become more popular but they still werent massively well known. and it wasnt until the 90s and X-Men TAS where they started to become more mainstream and the Avengers while still popular were losing popularity. it wasnt until after Marvel had sold their films rights to their biggest characters where they started to push the Avengers more into the mainstream during the late 90s and 2000s and people were genuily excited for the Avengers Movie once EMH came out. most heroes/characters become popular bc of Movies and TV Shows so the argument that ''the Avengers were only popular bc of the MCU'' is stupid.
I feel like you're not getting the point, when people that the Avengers weren't popular while the X-MEN were, they don't mean that it was ALWAYS like that, since their birth, instead, we're looking at a specific time frame. People who got to follow the MCU as they grew up discovered it's characters along with it, but they already knew the X-MEN, Spidey and The Hulk
@@TreFKennedy spiderman being the sole success that along with a 90s show had prior shows that predated 90s x-men. spider-man is probably the most universally liked unlike all other avengers and x-men where it's clearly specific in timeframe
While i do like this pitch i feel like Thanos wouldn't be the big bad right away, i feel like someone like Galactus or whoever was more popular than Thanos pre 2012 would have been the main villain.
i don't think that the next saga should be the multiverse saga because the reason they did that was because they needed to bring in the xmen that way, but the xmen already exist in this world so
@kairaelstephen5788 maybe the next Saga could be the proper coming of Galactus since they drove him off instead of killing him in Rise of the Silver Surfer, and SS would also be dead, giving him another opportunity to have a new herald(s). But I feel like either Galactus or Doctor Doom should have been the overarching villains of this version of the MCU since it'd feel less disjointed and confusing in this universe TBH.
You should have added another Wolverine movie in 2019 where he goes through the events of the Wolverine but it’s a more R rated version as he deals with the grief of Jean, and at the end he gets his Hulk Vs Wolverine suit and is sucked into the events of Thor Ragnarok, finally giving us a face off of the two. That way the solo film after Endgame can be more about coming to peace with the death of Jean and not being apart of a team just being his own person while also becoming a father and finally having the perfect ending to his story.
At first, I was concerned it wouldn't be as popular in this universe even with an early Spider-Man being part of the Avengers...until you brought in Venom with the Black Suit. At that point, Venom alone would be dragging those butts to the seats.
This was a great video! Well done. There is a few things I disagree with and I would change, but yeah. But I hope you see this: Please make a part 2 for the next saga! Thank you!
This is really cool! I'd love to see a DC slate with this number of movies. Also, the only change I'd make is that Loki is still the villain of the first Avengers, and Thor is a member (he can be introduced there).
Great video man, but I believe there was a missed opportunity to do Hulk vs Wolverine which could have happened during the events of the earlier films or even during the events of Endgame.
@isthattc8413 I posted this elsewhere, but it still fits. Personally, what I'd do is have an Incredible Hulk sequel with Hulk on the run with the Leader as the villain, but the secondary villains would be Weapon X soldiers which are Wolverine, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Deadpool and Lady Deathstrike tasked by Thunderbolt Ross to find Hulk. Wolverine would leave the team to help Hulk in stopping the Leader's gamma mutant plans in the third act while the other Weapon X members would get brainwashed, mutated, and eventually escape after stopping the Leader (this combines the Hulk vs. Wolverine animated movie and the Gamma World two-parter from Earth's Mightiest Heroes with Wolverine taking Hawkeye's place in that film). A post-credits scene would show Wolvering being recruited by the X-Men setting up the Giant-Size X-Men roster in that movie's sequel.
I like this video, but I don't understand the reason for killing Angel (He literally appears in one movie, and in the comics the founder of the X-Men), Quiksilver and the Scarlet Witch. It was much more logical to give a solo film not to Captain Marvel, but to Wanda and make a film adaptation of House of M, where Quiksilver and Magneto died in the finale.
Just like how he didn't make this universe's Avengers the original roster with Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Ant-Man and the Wasp, he half-assed the X-Men too. They should have been the first class with Cyclops, Jean Grey, Iceman, Beast, and Angel. Wolverine could have been properly introduced (since he showed up in Captain America: The First Avenger) in the Hulk sequel with Thunderbolt Ross recruiting him and a bunch of other Weapon X characters like Sabretooth, Lady Deathstrike and Deadpool to hunt Hulk down. But Wolverine later chooses to team up with Hulk to stop the Leader's gamma mutant plans while the other Weapon X members escape, including Deadpool, while in a post-credits scene, Wolverine gets recruited for the X-Men setting up the Giant-Sized X-Men roster in the future.
@@SecretMagicianYes, it would really be better to introduce the original team in the first film, then the situation with the Archangel and his death would at least be sad. Otherwise, in this version, ordinary viewers would not care about him. Also, your ideas are very cool.
You should absolutely make a Part 2 to this! I absolutely enjoyed it! It made me feel like my dream as a 5-6 year old actually came true! It’s that good!
Your vision of the MCU is great and it's almost the closest to the actual 616 Universe but i would have the first Spider-Man movie have Doc Ock as the main villain then the second one have Vulture and Electro who are sent by the King Pin (yes this is where i would introduce Fisk and Matt could make a cameo here) and in the third one, have Green Goblin be the main villain. Also i wouldn't kill off Wolverine early.
I would’ve preferred if the og 6 roster of the avengers were to be Iron man Thor Hulk Ant-man Wasp Spider-Man Recruiting captain America at the end of the movie
Yeah and they are canon in the MCU so there is a chance that they could’ve met phineas and ferb because they are also canon to the MCU because of the crossover I think
I feel like it would be cool if there were movies that took place in between infinity war and endgame. A good idea for this is a movie where Hank Pym is depressed after the wasp vanishes, where he passes on the ant-man mantle to Scott Lang, while Pym himself becomes Yellowjacket
Good video and universe but I think you may have missed out one thing and that is where the mainstay villains of the X-men go after the sequel as it seems like Magneto and his brotherhood of mutants never show up again after Wanda and Quicksilver leave and join the Avengers. I know it’s too much to probably ask since this took a lot of time and planning but they are big characters at the end of the day. Also for Wanda’s no mutant spell, i’m pretty sure Dr. Strange and Emma Frost tried reversing that in the comics and it didn’t work however lets say at the beginning of the Dark Phoenix movie that Magneto and his brotherhood join up with the X-men after years of being M.I.A. to try and reverse Wanda’s spell after hearing about Jean unleashing the Phoenix and want to help and stop her but can’t do so without powers so they go to Dr. Strange who makes a cameo and with Emma Frost they actually succeed in the spell working and then that kicks starts the Dark Phoenix movie with the villains helping the X-men out til they too also get blipped away with only Magneto and like 1/3 of his brotherhood surviving the snap
maybe in next video include inhumans, or have the likes of the guardians forming in a thor movie , and maybe expand on some defenders stuff and then introduce the champions and maybe she hulk etc
I think Thor should’ve maybe been introduced a bit earlier and appeared in the first avengers movie. Also ghost rider would be Johnny Blaze and instead of being played as Nicholas cage he’d be played by Ryan gosling.
All these movies would have the MCU title names for the most part. Phase 1: Iron Man, Fantastic Four, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, Spider-Man, X-Men, Antman, The Avengers. Phase 2: Iron Man 3, Fantastic Four 2, Incredible Hulk 2, Thor 2, Captain America 2, Black Widow, Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Antman 2, The Avengers 2. Phase 3: Fantastic Four 3, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Black Widow and Hawkeye, Spider-Man 3, Captain America 3, X-Men 3, Dr Strange, Black Panther, Thor 3, Avengers 3, Captain Marvel, Antman and The Wasp, Avengers 4, Spider-Man 4. Phase 4: Wandavision, Falcon and The Winter Soldier, Loki, Hawkeye, Shang Chi, Incredible Hulk 3, Thor 4, Venom, Spider-Man 5, Dr.Strange 2, Black Panther 2, Ms.Marvel. Phase 5: Antman and The Wasp 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Secret Invasion, The Marvels, Loki S2, Deadpool and Wolverine, Captain America 4, Thunderbolts. Phase 6: Fantastic Four 4, Spiderman and Wolverine, Blade, Moon Knight, Daredevil, Luke Cage and Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, The Punisher, Agatha All Along, Armour Wars, Shang Chi 2, X-Men 4,Avengers 5, Dr.Strange 3, Avengers 6.
Maybe for future videos could show what a potential multiverse saga looks like for some of your videos like you did for your video on the DCU. The X men cinematic universe, Batman cinematic, if DC didn't have the rights to their biggest characters would all be great to see
Can you PLEASE do a video on what a Spider-Man cinematic universe could look like? I know you did something similar for just the MCU, but this is something I’ve always wanted to see you do as it’s own thing with the infinity saga structure
What the MCU had Had the OPPOSITE Rights to Their Characters? Imagine a world where Marvel sold the rights to characters like Iron, Captain America, Thor and other miscellaneous heroes instead of their heavy hitters. Imagine if at the start of the MCU they had the rights to Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Wolverine, Hulk, other characters whose rights they sold prior to 2008
I only didn't like that thor isn't a founder member, and could somehow put Ant-Man and wasp before avengers to make reference to the original formation from 60s. But anyway very nice
One change I wouls make to this universe is that since you had the first Spider-Man movie basically be Raimi's Spider-Man 1 but with the TASM cast, that means that Harry exists in this universe. So I would have him take the place of Doc Ock in his subsequent appearances since Ock should already be dead, with Harry becoming New Goblin and killing Gwen in the 3rd movie and ultimately redeeming and sacrificing himself in Ultimate to save Peter from the Sinister Six.
I had the idea that if Fox let Marvel use the Fantastic Four like Sony let them use Spider-Man, then Infinity War could have Sue tell Reed that she's pregnant and Reed is overjoyed. When Thanos snaps his fingers; Ben, Johnny, and Sue are turned to dust, with Reed being the only FF member left alive. Endgame would see him in a deep depression. More lonely and suicidal than Thor's mental and physical decline. He'd have grown a beard that he's sometimes shown with in the comics instead of his traditional clean-shaven look. He would be in Cap's group therapy session where we see how losing his family absolutely ruined him. He helps Tony figure out time travel (which would use the help of Wakandan Vibranium tech, leftover Pym Particles with Hank and Janet's shrink tech, Chitauri Energy Cores, and the imrpved Arc Reactor technology from Iron Man 2). He gets emotional seeing Tony's happy life with Pepper and Morgan and cries to himself after seeing what he almost had. Reed and Sue have a triumphant reunion in the final battle, similar to Hank finding Janet in the Quantum Realm in Ant-Man and the Wasp. Except this time it's more one-sided, as time seemingly never passed at all for Sue and she would comment on his new beard with confusion and he would just be so thankful to have her back. In the epilogue, we'd see the Four in a hospital room with a clean-shaven Reed holding his newborn son, Franklin, in his arms with tears of joy in his eyes. After so much pain in the past 5-6 years, he finally came out the other side a truly happy man.
I do think it would be interesting imagining how Spider-Man would confront the avengers about the Ultron situation. Obviously, they accidentally created a terminator, but even beyond that I don’t think would be fully cool with killing anyone. Maybe you could even plant the seeds of that in the first avengers movie where all the other avengers are perfectly fine turning the aliens into a pile of purple paste, but Spider-Man is the only one webbing them up and leaving them restrained but still alive. I could see Spider-Man saying something like “Look Ultron is nuts, but he has a point. We have been escalating things. We’ve been taking things too far. Are we really the heroes that we think we are?”
Ms. Marvel should have her TV series but give her proper origin that is why I would to see an Inhuman Movie or show as well, White Tiger should also be seen in this version of the MCU. I think Squirrel Girl deserves a spot in this MCU too, cause I feel like she is underused in the Marvel Stuff.
Great job man on making your version of the mcu with the movie rights it’s really good, especially with Spider-Man peter Parker and Mary Jane being married an having there daughter mayday Parker spider girl makes me so happy because I love that character she’s really awesome and badass in my opinion.
Dude this is good …too good wait a minute are you a multiverse traveler?! Have you been to these worlds and that’s how you able to make these videos so good 🤯
Not bad , it’s like a revitalized version of your original version. I’ve been brainstorming something similar, but in my version Hank Pym and Janet would be in the first avengers movie, the guardians & Thor would still have their movies. And Tom holland would still be Spider-Man but would mainly have his homemade suit ( and have a tie in tv series between films). Daredevil would still have a series but also two films and have a bigger role in the franchise ( same with the other defenders). And Tom hollands Spider-Man would have 3 trilogies ( home trilogy , college trilogy , and adult trilogy ( inspired by the insomniac games)).
I like to imagine how would be the cast of F4 and X-Men if they were in the MCU since 2010 probably: F4: Billy Crudup, Naomi Watts, Chace Crawford and Liev Chreiber X-Men: Prof X - Timothy Dalton Magneto - Jeremy Irons Wolverine - Jon Bernthal Cyclops - Robert Pattinson Jean Grey - Elizabeth Olsen (Lazy to do rest lol)
i have a question man (awesome vid as per usual btw), so until 2008 what marvel or even dc movies WOULD we have by then? i can't imagine every marvel movie pre 2008 not existing it's too surreal for me😢.
Really awesome timeline and great vid well done :). And also if I were to write the mcu in the exact same situation in this vid with all the characters and starting at the same year, I would have the avengers be set up as the government’s response to the x men. Non mutant hero team with the secret purpose of protecting America from a mutant rebellion.
I found this channel via your old videos and was getting bothered by how you always stick with the MCU’s formula. Great to see you doing something different for a change.
I’m sorry but to me it would be much thematically stronger if after Infinity War Sue Richards is left pregnant with their daughter and taking care of Franklin after the blip with Reed disappearing instead. Reed in the comics loves his family but has a hard time showing it explicitly because he is always thinking about too many things at once. Having a five year distance between him and his kids would be much more of a heavy loss and setup another film or even a mini series with them where he tries to rekindle the dynamics in a more family oriented adventure, also it could have introduced Namor trying to get with Sue and her questioning her own wants and needs but ultimately reaffirming her love for Reed.
As for changes, just drop known hero buildings in the background of all the movies. Then for the first battle VS Loki include more big names. Also silver surfer should have used more heroes. Maybe more in one of the xmen films. I would keep us with subtle back ground changes. Civil War would be a huge change up too.
This was a fun video! I really like seeing how people tweak these to include other heroes and characters. Some changes I would make, personally (nitpicks really but the concept is super fun): - I think Fantastic Four should be the first characters in the timeline. Now, in both Ultimate Universes this isn’t the case (in the new one they are dead), but I really think Marvel’s first family that started most of what we know of the Marvel timeline in 1961 I believe it was should be honored by starting our universe. I think Spider-Man should not introduced until the epilogue of Phase 1, as I really like homecoming being a reaction to the first pivotal event of our heroes. Also Vulture works as a first villain better than Green Goblin in my personal opinion but to each their own! I like the idea of you swapping out different heroes for Hawkeye and Black Widow, I would do that also! I remember as a kid thinking Black Widow and Hawkeye weren’t as cool in Avengers because they didn’t have their own solo projects, but as an adult I think that’s wrong. I think Iron Man, Captain America, and Hulk should be inducted to the Avengers but maybe Fury says he’s already been recruiting and we see Thor, Giant-Man, and Wasp. Giant-Man and Wasp are key founding members to the OG Avengers and Janet is leader of the Avengers for a while so I think that should be the case. Also if we are doing an accurate Ultron that isn’t funny and has Hank Pyms seriousness, he’s also important. But I think Wanda and Quicksilver should definitely appear as well. I was really surprised with Doom around that you didn’t shelve Thanos to do him first since he’s more grounded and needs less cosmic characters!
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The fact that spider-man is an entire corner of marvel being one guy with the other corners being whole teams proves how amazing he is
Some would say he's Spectacular
@awsomesauc193 some would say hes ultimate
@@thegreatacolyt1277Others would say he's Sensational.
@@rashedulhaqueshimulSome others would say he's incredible (oh wait that's hulk)
@@Roty24-f6s some say hes superior
Disagree completely leaving Thor out of the avengers lineup, even before the mcu he was part of the trinity of the avengers
Same here. The number of movies could even be kept the same by having a Thor movie in 2011 and Cap 1 in 2012 before Avengers, with no "epilogue" movie to the Phase.
Also, Black Widow and Hawkeye could still be in the movie. They are SHIELD agents, no need to establish them prior. No twins, Spider-man could stay or go.
@@ClaireWritesSometimes no Spider Man too
@@criticodememes2325 yeah, Spider-Man is never the most full-time Avengers member. He'd definitely not work as a founder.
@@SecretMagicianThey should give us Ant-Man and Wasp there...
Workaround: in Avengers 1, Thor is introduced as "Dr. Donald Blake," having amnesia from his exile and being revealed to have powers and helping the Avengers before going off on a journey to find out more about who he really is in the Thor movies in Phase 2.
“I think Peter’s life is going a bit too well at this point”
*Zeb Wells moment*
😅😅 exactly
Nah this is a Marvel Heads moment as a whole.
That’s just a Marvel Editorial Moment
Spoken like a true Spiderman Writer
*Kid Named Paul:*
Then in this world, DC sold their rights to their heavy hitters so they had to base their cinematic universe around the Justice League International, with the main members being Ted Kord/Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Black Canary, Green Arrow, Firestorm, and Shazam.
He did a video on that, where DC sold the rights to their biggest characters Superman Batman and Wonder Woman. He should definitely remake that video but make some changes
Interesting
@@joelsilva699I saw that video, but I think it would be better if they sold the main Justice League members to various studios and have DC have to make a JLI focused universe
and then in 2024 we got Batman and Deathstroke and are getting superman: First Steps in 2025.
I want to see a movie universe were it's centered around justice league dark how the MCU originally was
That almost happened. In 1998, Sony had a choice to either buy the film rights to Spider-man for a $7M or nearly every Marvel character except Spider-man for $25M; they chose the former. Then Sony said: "Nobody gives a damn about the other Marvel characters."
Massive fumble
@RARARASPUTIN1914 it was a good call for the time though.
Spider-man was always a heavy hitter. I'm not sure if the modern state of comic book movies could've been achieved without already massive franchises like Spider-man or X-Men getting movies to pave the way for it.
@@spoonybard2380 absolutely agree for the time it was a good call. could they not have bought both for 32 million though?
@@RARARASPUTIN1914 maybe marvel still wanted to retain some kind of movie rights just in case?
Wait, from what i know they sell all marvel characters including spiderman to sony (not except)
Dude, ant-man and wasp were founding members of the avengers. They should absolutely exist in this universe.
@sheepylee12 The original comic book Avengers roster like in Earth's Mightiest Heroes should have happened here. What a GOATed show, though. It was Marvel's version of the Justice League cartoons.
I would switch Thor and Captain America, and have Ant-Man and Wasp take Quicksilver and Wanda’s place.
Absolutely
They're literally there
@@Gaonkkk they aren't founding members like in the comics. They're basically an afterthought here, probably worse than the actual MCU.
Back in the days when Stan Lee would sell the rights to anyone, Howard the Duck came about because George Lucas found the comic while traveling. If Stan had all the rights for the characters and forethought to combine his and Lucas's merchandising, maybe he could've convinced Lucas there was a bigger market for the Superheroes and we would've got a Lucasfilm produced MCU in the 80's and 90's.
id love to see the fan castings for that universe
Like Classic Doctor Who, the effects wouldn’t be what they could do now, but some of the stories would rock!
“Peter, I am your father!”
@@justice_productions_I mean, look at Star Wars. Not the best but Lucas was a smart guy, even the Star Wars prequels despite how much shit they get held up for years after compared to other CGI in Hollywood, I seriously doubt Lucas would do the effects poorly
I’ve seen many TH-camrs do this exact topic, wondering what the MCU would look like if they had the rights since the beginning but out of all of them, yours is easily one of the best executed universes I’ve ever seen. You were able to bring so many superheroes and teams and made it all work so well. Fantastic job.
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Never
@@TheBlackLion001can I live in your basement?
There might be an opening in 2043
@@TheBlackLion001Can I destroy your basement?
@@TheBlackLion001can I eat your basement?
I find it funny how even in a universe where marvel was allowed to use Cpt.Marvel, the plot-line where Rouge absorbs Carol’s powers still never happens and she presumably falls into the background of both the X-men films & the wider MCU.
You didn't need to take out Hawkeye.. considering the fact he was first introduced then, and Thor is part of the Avenger's trinity in the comics (Cap, Iron Man, Thor) and he should've gotten a movie before
Not having Thor in the 2012 Avengers movie in this world could be similar to how the Avengers didn’t debut with Cap, Iron Man, and Thor in the first issue in 1963 with Cap appearing in issue 4
@@joelsilva699 Yea but Cap's part made sense, he was frozen in ice, this just purposely chooses not to incorporate Thor as a founding member which is silly
I feel like this would have been a good opportunity to have the original comic book accurate Avengers roster with Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man and the Wasp with Captain America being there too since his movie already came out.
This roster feels kinda weird for the very first Avengers movie in this universe. Maybe it could work in the sequel, but it's definitely not here.
@@SecretMagicianagreed. It’s odd to me how the guy in the video says that Ant-Man and the wasp won’t get a movie because they aren’t popular, but he still gives Iron Man a movie. Which makes sense in the context of the fact that he’s kinda the face of the Avengers, but if Marvel is purely playing it safe like he implied, would they even bother to introduce Iron Man at all?
Damn this is incredibly detailed. You’re secretly from the universe where these movies actually happened, aren’t you…? 🤨
He's Doctor Strange Trust Me
Messing up the OG six avengers was a Hate crime 😭
Ikr
i would have released iron man a bit early, though still after spiderman and xmen, and iron man 2 with war machine and black widow alongside thor before the avengers 2012
That hurt 😭
@ThisisHuzaifa this should have been the original comic book Avengers members, Iron Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Hulk, and Thor.
It was the perfect opportunity to have them be in this version of the MCU, but he pulled a Snyderverse Justice League instead.
Same thing with the X-Men. They should have been the First Class roster with Cyclops, Jean Grey, Angel, Beast, and Iceman, but he didn't do that either.
I would have keep Thor with this be his introduction movie. Loki would still be the main villain and the first Thor movie would be a mix of Thor and Thor the Dark World.
I also don't think Spider-Man should be a founding member. I would probably make him an Avenger here but then leave because "save the world" type of missions aren't his thing.
For the last two members i would either keep Black Widow and Hawkeye (with this movie as their official debut) or Ant-Man and Wasp. Even if using Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver didn't bother much to me.
I think rights wise, there would’ve been an ant-man and the wasp movie before avengers and they would follow the original avengers team
2008:
2:34 Amazing Spider Man
3:09 X-Men
3:45 Hulk
2009:
4:11 Fantastic Four
2010:
4:49 Spectacular Spider Man
5:28 Iron Man
2011:
5:53 Incredible Hulk
6:10 Captain America The First Avenger
6:25 X-Men United
2012:
6:57 Avengers
9:08 Fantastic Four Into the Negative Zone
2013:
9:30 X-Men Apocalypse
9:57 Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man
10:34 Iron Man 2
2014:
10:51 Daredevil
11:40 Captain America Winter Soldier
11:55 Thor
2015:
12:15 Fantastic Four Rise Of the Silver Surfer
12:48 Avengers Age of Ultron
13:37 Blade
2016:
14:30 Planet Hulk
15:05 Avengers Vs. X-Men
16:12 Ghost Rider
2017:
16:47 Ultimate Spider Man
17:36 Daredevil And The Punisher
18:12 Captain America Brave New World
18:52 Iron Man Armor Wars
2018:
19:56 Thor Ragnarok
20:40 Doctor Strange
21:24 Avengers Infinity War
22:08 X-Men Dark Pheonix
2019:
23:05 Midnight Suns
24:00 Captain Marvel
24:10 Avengers Endgame
27:01 The Wolverine
Thanks. 🎉
It's my understanding that the Ed Nortan recast was actually a rights issue, but not in the traditional sense.
What I remember hearing is that Marvel wanted Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk from the start, but Universal was adamant that Ed Nortan should have the role.
And following the Incredible Hulk, Norton didn't like that he wouldn't have any writing power in future installments, and chose to step away, allowing Marvel to recast him to Mark Ruffalo like they wanted originally.
I'm imagining Ed Norton but a little bit darker.
damn, if only universal didnt intervence, mark could have gotten a real hulk film
That's a shame. I understand being hesitant over letting an actor in in that department, but I feel like Ed could've done so much for the Hulk character, especially compared to what we actually got
@@robloxfellowmarks a bad actor, he influenced his role in ragnarok and that made him super out of character
I always thought that if The X-Men and Fantastic 4 were present during the snap, all the X-Men but Wolverine would be dusted and the Fantastic 4 but Johnny and Ben would be dusted.
Just johnny and ben sounds crazy thatd actually be super interesting to see and with wolverine too
I am sorry, but there is no f-ing way they decide to dust Cyclops
yeah nah they wouldn't strip that amount of the x-men, just look at house of M in which still kept a couple mutants around and it was with the help of dr strange and emma frost to help prevent it affecting everyone
Saying "the ff but johnny and Ben" is a convoluted way to say "reed and sue" 😊. 👍
@@The_Infamous_Boogymanbut then the sentence would be "[...] Reed and Sue wouldn't be dusted"
i would make deadpool the only tv show and have it be a way to recap all mcu projects. so people can go ''hmm i'm gonna watch the new movie and want to prepare. i can watch all 34 movies before this one or i can just watch this episode of deadpool.''
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That's actually good
Deadpool could easily be a tv show. Most of what makes deadpool deadpool is that we see him to regular every day things. You could easily stretch out a story for deadpool through a multi season tv series
24:26 bro Gambit just despawned 😭
Since we have so many franchises this time around, how about doing a part 2 going over what the Multiverse saga would be like
Wanna see part two
I think the destruction of Asgard is crucial to Thor’s story
Yeah, I was about to say, the title & term "Ragnarok" isn't just used willy-nilly, as it has connections to Norse mythology. Asgard's destruction is kind of the whole point, as it's the realm of the Norse gods.
@trevthomscultclassiccorner2037 Yeah, why title the movie Thor: Ragnarok if Surtr and the destruction of Asgard don't appear and don't happen at all?!
@@SecretMagician My guess would be ignorance on the part of the video creator.
@@trevthomscultclassiccorner2037 strange considering how good some of his previous alternate universe MCU or DCU's are.
@@SecretMagician Oh yeah, no slight against him necessarily, as one can't know everything after all.
And up until Love & Thunder ran the joke into the ground, non-hardcore Thor fans were more than content with him being turned into a surfer bro halfwit. Ah, the magic of Phase 3's pop culture dominance. 😜
I was thinking about this too, I even made my own 33 year long MCU movie line up lmfao.
@SlavaPalestineGaza What do you think of my MCU ideas? I posted this elsewhere but wanted to say it here, too.
Personally, what I'd do is have the original Avengers members with Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Wasp, and Hulk in the first Avengers movie with all of them having solo movies beforehand, but have Hulk leave the team after stopping Loki and in a post-credits scene, show the Avengers accidentially finding Captain America while looking for Hulk.
Black Widow, Hawkeye, Vision, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver can show up in either solo movies or in future Avengers films as members.
Ultron would be a Hank Pym creation which takes all his worst qualities into one being and creates Vision, and also creates the Masters of Evil to be his henchmen who would be some villains left unresolved from previous films like Justin Hammer as Titanium Man, Amora the Enchantress, Abomination, etc.
This act leads to Hank quitting the Avengers at the end, which leads to his downward spiral of becoming Yellowjacket in an Ant-Man and the Wasp sequel (he wouldn't abuse Janet though).
The first Ant-Man and the Wasp movie would be about them dealing with M.O.D.O.K. and A.I.M., with the second one after Age of Ultron with Hank as Yellowjacket, be about Scott Lang stealing the Ant-Man suit. The events of that film would lead to Hank quitting active superheroics and being Scott's guy in the chair from now on with him also getting therapy.
The X-Men would have the First Class roster with Cyclops, Beast, Jean Grey, Angel, and Iceman with Magneto and the Brotherhood being the villains (Toad, Mystique, Juggernaut, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch), basically adapting the TH-cam, SUPER FRAME's X-Men film ideas.
The Fantastic Four can stay the same with Sue not being played by Jessica Alba (it's clear she was cast just for fanservice when you think about it) and Chris Evans not be Johnny since he'll be Captain America, and adapt that unused longer, more action packed and dramatic script from 1996 by Michael France, with Doom making a molecular alteration machine and a giant continent spanning hurricane in the last act.
An Incredible Hulk sequel would have Hulk on the run with the Leader as the villain, but the secondary villains would be Weapon X soldiers which are Wolverine, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Deadpool and Lady Deathstrike tasked by Thunderbolt Ross to find Hulk.
Wolverine would leave the team to help Hulk in stopping the Leader's gamma mutant plans in the third act while the other Weapon X members would get brainwashed, mutated, and eventually escape after stopping the Leader (this combines the Hulk vs. Wolverine animated movie and the Gamma World two-parter from Earth's Mightiest Heroes with Wolverine taking Hawkeye's place in that film).
A post-credits scene would show Wolverine being recruited by the X-Men setting up the Giant-Size X-Men roster in that movie's sequel.
The overarching villain of this version of the first three phases wouldn't be Thanos because it would feel a bit derivative of what we actually have, so it would either be Dr. Doom, Galactus, or Surtur instead.
I've come to the conclusion that the replacement for Infinity War and Endgame that serves as the complete MCU crossover events would be a combination of Secret Invasion with Dark Reign. From Phase 2, we get various hints of other characters involved in this secretly being Skrulls having taken them hostage and replaced them and a Secret Invasion movie would be the resolution to this. With the world in shambles afterwards, Doctor Doom takes advantage of this and becomes a public hero, creating a new team called the Thunderbolts to replace the Avengers as they are split up while the X-Men and Fantastic Four (especially the X-Men) are disillusioned and divided as well.
Meanwhile Thanos would be pushed into a Phase 5 or 6 villain. This would be where, just like in the comics (if I'm not wrong), barely anyone aside from space faring characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy, Nova Corps, Shi'ar, Kree and the Skrull know about him until he snaps the Infinity Gauntlet and half the universe disappears.
This would do a lot, give us a proper comic book, accurate Avengers, Fantastic Four and X-Men roster and tone, build up all three teams and the characters involved in an interesting way, and finally give us that Wolverine vs. Hulk fight we've always wanted.
The other characters I didn't talk about here, like Spider-Man, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, etc, can show up the same, like in this video, though.
@@SecretMagician In my MCU I also have the Avengers form with the original Avengers team + Captain America. They would fight Loki in Avengers 1. I also introduce Wolverine in his own solo movie to introduce the X-Men but he is not part of the Avengers. I think I would make it a multi-time period movie and show Logan as soldier before the modern-day.
I would introduce Hawkeye & Black Widow in their own movie before Avengers 2. In Avengers 2 the main villain would be MODOK & AIM. I'd give Magneto a time period movie in WW2 and Scarlet Witch & Quiksilver their own movie before X-Men 2 which introduces the Brotherhood of Mutants. (In X-Men 1 they'd fight the Sentinels.)
I would also make a horribly tragic arc about "The Fall of Ant-Man". In Avengers 3 (which involves the Inhumans & Fantastic 4), I would introduce Galactus as the main villain with Silver Surfer as well. I would need all three superhero teams just to show how much of a threat Galactus is. By the end of the movie, the Wasp, who is Janet van Dyne, would be in a coma. Janet's coma coupled with the threat of Galactus would give make Hank go crazy about building a suit of armor around the world (like MCU Iron Man). This leads to Ultron. Ultron destroys Oderstadt, which would the capital of my version of Latveria. Doctor Doom (who would have been introduced in the first Fantastic 4 as Reed Richard's academic rival) would have lost his family in this event. In the first Fantastic 4, Doom would be introduced as a troubled scientist trying to bring back his mother, but not necessarily a villain. I'd also touch on anti-Romani sentiments in Latveria after WW2 & how this also contributed to his mother's deal with Mephisto & then Doom's quest.
After Doom found a family & became a Latverian diplomat & scientist, he would find some peace and forgive Reed. However, when Ultron kills Doom's family, Doom would be furious and would hate Hank Pym. Doom would also hate Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and Reed Richards for not stopping Pym. This leads to Doom overthrowing the U.S. backed Latverian monarchy & renaming the new capital city of New Oderstadt to Doomstadt. Eventually, the Fantastic 4 & Avengers are sent to Latveria (leading to the X-Men, Defenders, & Inhumans hating the Avengers & Fantastic 4). Using his popularity among the Latverian people & the Avengers & Fantastic 4's morals, Doom makes it harder to kill him, using his tech & magic as well. Eventually, Doom kills Hank Pym & tells the Avengers & Fantastic 4 to leave Latveria or face nuclear war (Latveria is located in modern day Silesia in my MCU). At the end of Avengers 5, Janet wakes up & learns of Hank's death. I'd also have Scott Lang become the second Ant-Man much later down the timeline.
For the X-Men I'd give them a five movies where their villains would be the Sentinels, then the Brotherhood of Mutants, then Apocalypse, then Cassandra Nova, then the Dark Phoenix where Professor X would die & lead to Cyclops becoming leader of the X-Men & him defeating the Inhumans in Inhumans vs. X-Men & then the X-Men being defeated & dissolved in Avengers vs. X-Men.
The Fantastic 4 would have a trilogy where their villains would be Mole Man, Super-Skrull, and Annihilus. The Hulk would have 9 movies, with Hulk 1, Hulk 2, Hulk 3, Hulk & She-Hulk, Hulk & the Thing, Hulk vs. Red Hulk, Hulk vs, Wolverine, Planet Hulk, & World War Hulk. Hulk 1 would have Abomination as the villain, Hulk 2 would have Absorbing Man as the villain & Hulk 3 would have The Leader as the villain with Zzzax as a secondary villain created by The Leader. Hulk & She-Hulk could face off against a She-Hulk villain or a new villain or an old Hulk villain. Hulk & the Thing would have a massively juiced up Juggernaut as the villain. Hulk vs. Wolverine would lead to the Hulk being launched into space & lead to Planet Hulk & then World War Hulk.
I'd have Wolverine as a founding member or early member of the X-Men, but Wolverine would also connect to the Avengers in many ways. In my MCU I'd have six teams: the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the Defenders, the X-Men, Guardians of the Galaxy, and the Inhumans. I might include the Thunderbolts, but I don't see where I could fit them in in my MCU, maybe I could have a comedic film where the US sends the Thunderbolts in Latveria only to get absolutely massacred by Doom's army, or maybe I could have the Thunderbolts have a similar plot to The Suicide Squad.
I would have 100+ movies & start with Iron Man & end with Scarlet Witch & Vision 2, a nice wholesome movie to cap off the cinematic universe/multiverse. Honestly, I like your MCU ideas and your more comic accurate Avengers. I also liked the way you envision Hank Pym's fall & redemption, I just wanted to make it more tragic and use it as set up to establish Doctor Doom's cunning and him not being a total villain as he is smarter than that. I also like your X-Men & Fantastic 4, although I personally would want to save Doom for an Avengers & Fantastic 4 film. I also like your Hulk but would want to use Wolverine as an X-Men member from the start, have Sabertooth be solely a Wolverine villain and also use Deadpool like in his movies and have him play as role in the MCU and have him also have movies with Gwenpool at the tail end of the MCU. I really like your ideas and wanting to give comic accurate tone & rosters.
@SlavaPalestineGaza your ideas sound really interesting, but could you please split it up into paragraphs? It was definitely a good read but a bit hard to follow because of how long it was, and splitting it up into segmented paragraphs could make it easier to read through.
Here’s my MCU so far. I don’t know where to put House of M or Thunderbolts tbh.
Iron Man 1
Hulk 1
Wolverine 1
Thor 1
Captain America 1 (Red Skull & Madame HYDRA)
Ant-Man & The Wasp 1
Avengers 1 (Loki)
Spider Man 1
Wolverine 2
Fantastic 4 #1 (Mole-Man) Viktor Denikin is hurt & mutilated in an accident but, he recovers but is disfigured)
Iron Man 2
Hulk 2
Gambit & Rogue
Thor 2
Cyclops & Jean Grey
Spider Man 2
Captain America 2 (Baron Zeno & Baron Strucker)
X-Men 1 (Sentienels & rogue US general)
Captain Marvel 1
Iron Man 3
Fantastic 4 #2 (Super Skrull)
Spider Man 3
Blackbolt 1
Inhumans 1
Hulk 3
Colossus & Emma Frost
Captain America 3 (Winter Soldier & neo-HYDRA)
Hawkeye & Black Widow
Avengers 2 (MODOK)
Daredevil
The Punisher
Daredevil vs. The Punisher
Spider Man 4
Magneto
Scarlet Witch & Quiksilver
Hawkeye & Black Widow 2
X-Men 2 (Magneto, Juggernaut & Evil Mutants)
Iron Man 4
Hulk & She Hulk
Luke Cage
Elektra
Iron Fist
The Defenders
Captain America 4 (Doctor Faustus, Batroc, Crossbones)
Wolverine & the Beast
The Hulk & the Thing (Juiced up Juggernaut)
Spider Man 5
Black Widow vs. Elektra
Medusa
Inhumans 2
Armor Wars
Wolverine 3
Rogue & Nightcrawler
X-Men 3 (Apocalypse)
Captain America 5 (Helmut Zemo & Arnim Zola)
Thor 3
Spider Man & Daredevil
Docto Strange 1
Captain Marvel 1
Avengers, Inhumans, & Fantastic 4 #1 (Galactus & Silver Surfer) (the Wasp put into a coma)
Deadpool 1
Fantastic 4 #3 (Annhilius)
Dr. Strange 2
Viktor Denikin 1 (Explains Dr. Doom’s origins & quest to free his mother’s soul from Mephisto, but how failed and was mutilated by his own technology, eventually putting his quest on hiatus after finding love and a family)
Avengers 3: Age of Ultron occurs: Ultron gets created by Yellowjacket (Ant-Man who went crazy after the Wasp was put into a coma in a previous movie and after his hometown and parents were fatalities in a previous Avengers film. Yellowjacket is obsessed with protecting the world. Tony Stark & Bruce Banner agree to help, but even with their complexity and impulsivity, even they see that Ultron is not yet ready for use with tests showing Ultron comes to far too authoritarian solutions to problems. Ultron has secretly been learning from the Avengers database that humans are bad and starts resisting his pro-human programming. Yellowjacket doesn’t care and secretly releases Ultron without Avengers or US approval. He is desperate to defend the world. Ultron then turns on Yellowjacket and tries to kill him in secret. That fails, alerting the Avengers. Instead of pursuing, Ultron flees the scene and gets far enough away with enough robots to ensure his survival. Ultron eventually comes to the conclusion that humans are evil and must be destroyed. That only AI and machines were pure and and that they would have peace. Ultron creates Vision & Jocasta. Ultron enacts his plans launches massive cyberattacks absolutely destroying the world economy and distributing wealth at random, causing chaos all over the world. And causing massive accidents and failures in technology, leading to thousands dying. Ultron then enacts the final phase of his plan, using the capital of Latveria, Oderstadt, to destroy the world. Ultron does this, and the Avengers stop him. In the destruction of Oderstadt, the family of a certain Viktor Denikin are killed.
Spider Man 6
Doctor Doom 2 - With the American Avengers causing the destruction of Oderstadt, the Latverian people call for the extradition of Yellowjacket. The US government, which has now put the neutral Latverian monarchy on life support, does not allow this. The people of Latveria are angry and are gunned down by the Latverian military. The genius weapons expert and Latverian diplomat, Viktor Denikin orchestrates the overthrow of the Latverian monarchy before the eruption of civil war in Latveria. He appeases the Latverian military and helps refugees from the destruction of Oderstadt. King Denikin changes his name to last name to Doom as anti-western propaganda. He names the new refugee city go Doomstadt and makes it the new Latverian capital.
Avengers & Fantastic 4: War of Doom - Doom then calls for the extradition of Yellowjacket to Latveria. The US government tries to kill Doom and install a friendly leader, but this fails. Doom builds up the Latverian military and threatens to invade Germany, Poland & Czechia. With no resort other than sending in the Avengers, the US government does this and tell them to kill Doom. Yellowjacket was exposed by Doom to have released Ultron and exposed Stark for covering it up. A guilty Yellowjacket, now turned Ant-Man see the Wasp return from her coma. Stark tells Yellowjacket to stay back and not go to Latveria with the rest of the Avengers because Doom would target Ant-Man. The Avengers & Fantastic 4 go, souring relations with the X-Men & Inhumans. Doom & the Avengers are an equal match. The people of Doomstadt fight the Avengers, but because the Avengers don’t want to kill the people of Doomstadt, they struggle to defeat and get to Doom. This experience of the people of Doomstadt fighting the Avengers sows seeds for Civil War. Doom captures Ant-Man and kills him in front of the Wasp. The Wasp tries to kill Doom, and she is captured, but Doom decides to spare her. Doom tells the Avengers that they are free to go. The Avengers only facing the people of Doomstadt and Doom himself (with a reverse engineered successful Ultron system). The Avengers realize killing a figure as popular as Doom would both require more Avengers to die and turn Latveria against the Avengers. The Avnegers retreat and Doom wins. The government is angry and leave Latveria alone. After the Latveria scandal, the government officials involved with it are disgraced, with General Ross being fired (leading to Red Hulk). However, the Latverian Scandal does leave the US government skeptical about the loyalties of superheroes. And with the many crimes of the Avengers, a national debate forms around how much the government should control the Avengers.
Hulk vs. Red Hulk
Black Panther 1
Inhumans 3
Captain America 6 (Serpent Society)
X-Men 4 (Cassandra Nova)
Dr. Strange 3
Deadpool & Black Widow (Taskmaster)
Hulk vs. Wolverine (Hulk launched into space by Professor X, Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, Blackbolt, and Doctor Strange.)
Guardians of the Galaxy 1
Blade 1
Spider Man 7
X-Men Dark Phoenix (Death of Professor X)
X-men vs. Inhumans (Cyborg becomes leader of the mutants & destroy the Terrigen Mists, the Mutants win)
Avengers vs. X-Men, after it is revealed the Phoenix force is still on affecting the mutants and after the events of Dark Phoneix, the Avengers are sent in to round up the X-Men and strong arm them to move into a territory in the desert and become a government team. After the Death of Professor X (due to Phoenix Force Jean Grey) Cyborg becomes leader of the team and refuses to give into this demand, saying it would ruin the progress of Professor X. The Avengers and Captain America are given the order to attack the X-Men. Cyborg and the X-Men declare war on the U.S. The Phoenix Force arrives and splits into 4 X-Men and into Namor, leader of Atlantis. Namor takes his army and floods Wakanda, bringing Wakanda & Atlantis into the US-X-men war. Eventually, the Avengers win and the X-men are defeated. Namor is replaced and arrested with Wakandan & American navy keeping tabs on Atlantis and having them pay reparations to Wakanda. In prison, Magneto tells Cyborg that he was right, demoralizing Cyborg and showing the tragedy of Professor X being wrong about humanity in some ways. Many X-Men are on the run, like Wolverine, and many X-Men are in prison. The events of Avengers vs. X-Men lead to a civil war… (the Avengers won)
Black Panther 2
Moonknight 1
Ghost Rider 1
Spider Man 8
Deadpool & Wolverine
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Ms. Marvel
Planet Hulk
Spider Man & Deadpool
Avengers Civil War: with the crimes of the Avengers and the the X-Men fighting the US, the US & the UN call for the Superhero Registration Accord. With Captain America holding the government’s usage of the Avengers against Doom & against the X-Men as evidence of being against the Accord & Iron Man using the X-Men action & the Yellowjacket’s activation of Ultron as evidence of being for the Accord.
Team Iron Man: Wasp, War Machine, Black Panther, Mr. Fantastic, Dr. Strange, Invisible Woman, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Spider-Man, Captain Britain, Ms. Marvel, Luke Cage, Punisher, Wong, Scott Lang Ant-Man
Team Captain America: Thor, She-Hulk, Human Torch, The Thing, Blade, Ghost Rider, Black Widow, Quicksilver, Captain Marvel, Moonknight, Falcon, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Wolverine, Winter Solider
Captain Marvel 2
World War Hulk
Spider-Man & Venom
Black Panther 3
Guardians of the Galaxy 3
Infinity War
The Sentry
The Eternals
Endgame (Human Torch, Wasp & Iron Man, & Hulk die)
Guardians of the Galaxy 4
She Hulk
Thor 4
Dr. Strange & Scarlet Witch (Mephisto, Multiverse is introduced)
Ant-Man 2
Shang-Chi
Young Avengers: Reign of Grey Gargoyle
Iron heart
Spider Man vs. Sinister 6 (Mile Morales is introduced)
Iron Lad
Avengers, Inhumans & Fantastic 4: Kang the Conqueror (Death of Spider Man, Captain America, Thor, & Wolverine)
Spider-Woman
Mighty Thor & Lady Thor
Falcon & the Winter Soldier
Spider Man 9
Young Avengers 2: Return of Grey Gargoyle
Deadpool & Gwenpool
Doctor Strange 5 (Multiverse of Madness)
Man-Thing
Captain America 7 (Falcon in the New Captain America)
Spider-Man 10: Across the Spiderverse
Spider-Man 11: Beyond the Spiderverse
X-Men 5 (Cyclops becomes leader of X-Men again)
X-23
Scarlet Witch & Vision
Kree-Skrull War
Captain Marvel 3
Secret Invasion
Deadpool & Gwenpool 2
Secret Wars
Deadpool & Gwenpool 3
Scarlet Witch & Vision 2
@@SlavaPalestineGaza while this does sound interesting, I feel like certain characters and projects could be introduced in series instead of films with multiple seasons in order to make things less cluttered and certain films could be cut because they either sound too fanfic-y or are somewhat unnecessary.
Even before the MCU Thor was one of the big 3 of the Avengers, regardless they would’ve given him his own movie before the avengers and he would’ve been on the team, Loki was even their first villain in the comics so there would be no reason not to include him. Also Guardians and Ant-man would’ve still happened more of less when they did, Ant-man was still a known character and that movie was in developed during the early days of the MCU and Guardians was obscured even by MCU standards and was chosen to be given a movie as an experiment and to cash in on the Star Wars void, them having all the rights wouldn’t have changed that.
WHAT IF…A Cinematic Amalgam Universe (basically dc x marvel)
Yes please!
Pretty sure there’s a comic book with that premise where characters from each world were mixed with their counterparts from the other world (e.g. thanos and darkseid being thanseid)
@nopizza4you It was the Amalgam Comics that did that, yes. There was also other amalgamations such as Darkclaw (Batman + Wolverine), Super Soldier (Superman + Captain America), Iron Lantern (Green Lantern + Iron Man), and way more!
Please make it happen, a DC × Marvel Universe existing in one universe
@@nopizza4you yea there is
I feel like nor enough people understand that Avengers initially were created because the characters by themselves were never big enough to sell books by themselves, putting them together and adding Hulk who was by far the most popular one was just an attempt to save them as characters. But a lot of series later this obviously changed and if team was formed in the 10s it would have a completely different roster.
Imo this is kinda all over the place. I think Phase One should've kept the same, introduce the Avengers but include Spider-Man as well. Introducing three teams at once is kinda convoluted especially given that the MCU in the early days wasn't THAT confident. Making it more linear, tell an enclosed story about The Avengers formation. Then introduce the X-Men in the next phase and in place of GotG introduce the F4. Make the last Phase Two movie a team up between Avengers and X-Men so that we only have 2 storylines (Avengers and F4) instead of 3 totally disconnected team storylines
Yeah, it feels weird having a Mix of real world MCU movies kinda being dragged out of their context and put intanother universe. I feel like changing some of the real world movies to match the fake ones would have worked better. There are some cool ideas though such as Red Skull as an Avengers villain.
IMO there’s no way Marvel wouldn’t make movies about the FF and X-Men in phase 1
Bro, you’re not understanding. The MCU only actually starts happening because of iron man in this version. The Xmen and Spider-Man would without a doubt get a first movie, after Ironman and hinting at something more than their confidence would blow up. You’re underestimating the popularity of the Xmen and Spider-Man, and if Ironman blows up like in our universe too the floodgates would open even more
24:33 i respect your perspective, there’s no universe where The Avengers are more over than the X-Men had marvel had the film rights from the beginning
Another thing that could happen in Endgame is Spidey killing someone because of the Venom suit, and then the guilt he feels could be explored or expanded on in his next movie, allowing Miles to be introduced as a sort of recovery method for Peter. Just a thought though
I much prefer this tbh, it adds another dark layer to a known character while also upping the ante for his Parker luck
You could make a video on "What if Marvel had an animated universe similar to the DCAMU and Tomorrowverse?" Like instead of Flashpoint Paradox, it could have Quicksilver change the timeline. Have Howard Stark be Iron Man, a war between the Atlanteans and Wakandans. Then have the first Avengers movie, be them fighting against the Shatari and Thanos. The counterpart for Apokolips War could be a messy mix between Infinity Guantlet, Infinity War, and Endgame. For Justice Society WW2, it could be Quicksilver encountering the Invaders. For the Long Halloween, it could be a mix between Demon in A Bottle and Armor Wars. And to end the universe would be a Secret Wars 3-Part finale!
Quicksilver is just not fast enough for that lol. His sister is right there also, you're describing an MCU version of House of M
@@GenusMusic Right lol
Right lol
Just like movies, the video makes it out that Phoenix is EVERYTHING for X-Men even though X-Men have so much lore. A The X-Men movie saga ending with with their own nation of Krakoa would be perfect imo
Spider-Man being a founding member of the avengers is kinda weird
We need a part 2, don’t care how just plz part 2 it’s so well done
5:47 the end credit scene wouldve hit harder if they went with this direction
I hate How people act like the Avengers were never popular and only became popular bc of the MCU and act like the X-Men were always popular when that wasnt the case. infact their debut series was so bad that it got cancelled and for like 10 Years Spider-Man, FF4 and the Avengers were the Faces of Marvel and it wasnt until 1975 where the X-Men started to become more popular but they still werent massively well known. and it wasnt until the 90s and X-Men TAS where they started to become more mainstream and the Avengers while still popular were losing popularity. it wasnt until after Marvel had sold their films rights to their biggest characters where they started to push the Avengers more into the mainstream during the late 90s and 2000s and people were genuily excited for the Avengers Movie once EMH came out. most heroes/characters become popular bc of Movies and TV Shows so the argument that ''the Avengers were only popular bc of the MCU'' is stupid.
I feel like you're not getting the point, when people that the Avengers weren't popular while the X-MEN were, they don't mean that it was ALWAYS like that, since their birth, instead, we're looking at a specific time frame. People who got to follow the MCU as they grew up discovered it's characters along with it, but they already knew the X-MEN, Spidey and The Hulk
But they didn’t get popular until the MCU, no one respected them , everyone knows the X-Men were Marvel
@@TreFKennedy not true I mean Iron-Man did but rest of the team didnt until EMH
@@TreFKennedy spiderman being the sole success that along with a 90s show had prior shows that predated 90s x-men. spider-man is probably the most universally liked unlike all other avengers and x-men where it's clearly specific in timeframe
@@nightwish1453
There's a reason Spider-Man, Superman, and Batman are the Big Three superheroes
While i do like this pitch i feel like Thanos wouldn't be the big bad right away, i feel like someone like Galactus or whoever was more popular than Thanos pre 2012 would have been the main villain.
@PredsjednikGustavo._ This does feel a bit disjointed when you watch it, too.
@@PredsjednikGustavo._ Doom should have been the overarching villain of this version of the MCU.
@@SecretMagician Yeah and i don't like how Wanda gets killed off at the end, in this and other one video
Dr. Doom and The Master of Evil could work as the first big bad.
i don't think that the next saga should be the multiverse saga because the reason they did that was because they needed to bring in the xmen that way, but the xmen already exist in this world so
@kairaelstephen5788 maybe the next Saga could be the proper coming of Galactus since they drove him off instead of killing him in Rise of the Silver Surfer, and SS would also be dead, giving him another opportunity to have a new herald(s).
But I feel like either Galactus or Doctor Doom should have been the overarching villains of this version of the MCU since it'd feel less disjointed and confusing in this universe TBH.
Multiverse saga exists because of the popularity of other multiverse stories in the comics, which had been happening to many characters.
Video Suggestion: What if Marvel and DC shared the same Cinematic Universe?
Yes! Having Man of Steel, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman be part of Phase 1 before a team between some of the Superheroes (Justice League and Avengers).
No
It would be a complete mess.
@@Randomachh79 Why?
Why?
You should have added another Wolverine movie in 2019 where he goes through the events of the Wolverine but it’s a more R rated version as he deals with the grief of Jean, and at the end he gets his Hulk Vs Wolverine suit and is sucked into the events of Thor Ragnarok, finally giving us a face off of the two. That way the solo film after Endgame can be more about coming to peace with the death of Jean and not being apart of a team just being his own person while also becoming a father and finally having the perfect ending to his story.
At first, I was concerned it wouldn't be as popular in this universe even with an early Spider-Man being part of the Avengers...until you brought in Venom with the Black Suit. At that point, Venom alone would be dragging those butts to the seats.
Basically spiderman hulk fantastic 4 and xmen would be the big hits at the beginning
This was a great video! Well done. There is a few things I disagree with and I would change, but yeah. But I hope you see this: Please make a part 2 for the next saga! Thank you!
20:02 I love the Iron Man Armour Wars Idea, great stuff there.
This is really cool! I'd love to see a DC slate with this number of movies.
Also, the only change I'd make is that Loki is still the villain of the first Avengers, and Thor is a member (he can be introduced there).
Great video! I'll be waiting for the next saga's video, whenever it arrives
Great video man, but I believe there was a missed opportunity to do Hulk vs Wolverine which could have happened during the events of the earlier films or even during the events of Endgame.
@isthattc8413
I posted this elsewhere, but it still fits. Personally, what I'd do is have an Incredible Hulk sequel with Hulk on the run with the Leader as the villain, but the secondary villains would be Weapon X soldiers which are Wolverine, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Deadpool and Lady Deathstrike tasked by Thunderbolt Ross to find Hulk.
Wolverine would leave the team to help Hulk in stopping the Leader's gamma mutant plans in the third act while the other Weapon X members would get brainwashed, mutated, and eventually escape after stopping the Leader (this combines the Hulk vs. Wolverine animated movie and the Gamma World two-parter from Earth's Mightiest Heroes with Wolverine taking Hawkeye's place in that film).
A post-credits scene would show Wolvering being recruited by the X-Men setting up the Giant-Size X-Men roster in that movie's sequel.
I like this video, but I don't understand the reason for killing Angel (He literally appears in one movie, and in the comics the founder of the X-Men), Quiksilver and the Scarlet Witch. It was much more logical to give a solo film not to Captain Marvel, but to Wanda and make a film adaptation of House of M, where Quiksilver and Magneto died in the finale.
Just like how he didn't make this universe's Avengers the original roster with Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Ant-Man and the Wasp, he half-assed the X-Men too. They should have been the first class with Cyclops, Jean Grey, Iceman, Beast, and Angel.
Wolverine could have been properly introduced (since he showed up in Captain America: The First Avenger) in the Hulk sequel with Thunderbolt Ross recruiting him and a bunch of other Weapon X characters like Sabretooth, Lady Deathstrike and Deadpool to hunt Hulk down.
But Wolverine later chooses to team up with Hulk to stop the Leader's gamma mutant plans while the other Weapon X members escape, including Deadpool, while in a post-credits scene, Wolverine gets recruited for the X-Men setting up the Giant-Sized X-Men roster in the future.
@@SecretMagicianYes, it would really be better to introduce the original team in the first film, then the situation with the Archangel and his death would at least be sad. Otherwise, in this version, ordinary viewers would not care about him.
Also, your ideas are very cool.
You should absolutely make a Part 2 to this! I absolutely enjoyed it! It made me feel like my dream as a 5-6 year old actually came true! It’s that good!
2:19 I will not have this Howard the duck slander.
Your vision of the MCU is great and it's almost the closest to the actual 616 Universe but i would have the first Spider-Man movie have Doc Ock as the main villain then the second one have Vulture and Electro who are sent by the King Pin (yes this is where i would introduce Fisk and Matt could make a cameo here) and in the third one, have Green Goblin be the main villain. Also i wouldn't kill off Wolverine early.
I would’ve preferred if the og 6 roster of the avengers were to be
Iron man
Thor
Hulk
Ant-man
Wasp
Spider-Man
Recruiting captain America at the end of the movie
How do you imagine The Fantastic Four: First Steps would go down?
Definitely gonna need a part 2 to this😂 I’ve seen a few videos with this same idea but none of them were nearly as good as this.
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Please make a part 2 to this video!
Wolverine having only one marvel movie is a crime and boii where did magneto go throughout all these events
1:27 why is big hero six there?
Idk
I think it's because it's very loosely based on a marvel comics run. Hence why Stan lee has a cameo
Yeah and they are canon in the MCU so there is a chance that they could’ve met phineas and ferb because they are also canon to the MCU because of the crossover I think
Never mind phineas and ferb is not canon just had a crossover
@@memeseller1156big hero 6 isn’t cannon
I feel like it would be cool if there were movies that took place in between infinity war and endgame. A good idea for this is a movie where Hank Pym is depressed after the wasp vanishes, where he passes on the ant-man mantle to Scott Lang, while Pym himself becomes Yellowjacket
wow! I absolutely want to see a second part, this is fantastic
Good video and universe but I think you may have missed out one thing and that is where the mainstay villains of the X-men go after the sequel as it seems like Magneto and his brotherhood of mutants never show up again after Wanda and Quicksilver leave and join the Avengers. I know it’s too much to probably ask since this took a lot of time and planning but they are big characters at the end of the day.
Also for Wanda’s no mutant spell, i’m pretty sure Dr. Strange and Emma Frost tried reversing that in the comics and it didn’t work however lets say at the beginning of the Dark Phoenix movie that Magneto and his brotherhood join up with the X-men after years of being M.I.A. to try and reverse Wanda’s spell after hearing about Jean unleashing the Phoenix and want to help and stop her but can’t do so without powers so they go to Dr. Strange who makes a cameo and with Emma Frost they actually succeed in the spell working and then that kicks starts the Dark Phoenix movie with the villains helping the X-men out til they too also get blipped away with only Magneto and like 1/3 of his brotherhood surviving the snap
You should do the next saga. I doubt it would remain multiverse centered, so I’d like to see your take on it
maybe in next video include inhumans, or have the likes of the guardians forming in a thor movie , and maybe expand on some defenders stuff and then introduce the champions and maybe she hulk etc
I think Thor should’ve maybe been introduced a bit earlier and appeared in the first avengers movie. Also ghost rider would be Johnny Blaze and instead of being played as Nicholas cage he’d be played by Ryan gosling.
All these movies would have the MCU title names for the most part.
Phase 1: Iron Man, Fantastic Four, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, Spider-Man, X-Men, Antman, The Avengers.
Phase 2: Iron Man 3, Fantastic Four 2, Incredible Hulk 2, Thor 2, Captain America 2, Black Widow, Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Antman 2, The Avengers 2.
Phase 3: Fantastic Four 3, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Black Widow and Hawkeye, Spider-Man 3, Captain America 3, X-Men 3, Dr Strange, Black Panther, Thor 3, Avengers 3, Captain Marvel, Antman and The Wasp, Avengers 4, Spider-Man 4.
Phase 4: Wandavision, Falcon and The Winter Soldier, Loki, Hawkeye, Shang Chi, Incredible Hulk 3, Thor 4, Venom, Spider-Man 5, Dr.Strange 2, Black Panther 2, Ms.Marvel.
Phase 5: Antman and The Wasp 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Secret Invasion, The Marvels, Loki S2, Deadpool and Wolverine, Captain America 4, Thunderbolts.
Phase 6: Fantastic Four 4, Spiderman and Wolverine, Blade, Moon Knight, Daredevil, Luke Cage and Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, The Punisher, Agatha All Along, Armour Wars, Shang Chi 2, X-Men 4,Avengers 5, Dr.Strange 3, Avengers 6.
This breakdown was fire bro 🔥🔥
Maybe for future videos could show what a potential multiverse saga looks like for some of your videos like you did for your video on the DCU. The X men cinematic universe, Batman cinematic, if DC didn't have the rights to their biggest characters would all be great to see
And continue Batman cinematic universe (BCU)
Can you PLEASE do a video on what a Spider-Man cinematic universe could look like? I know you did something similar for just the MCU, but this is something I’ve always wanted to see you do as it’s own thing with the infinity saga structure
What the MCU had Had the OPPOSITE Rights to Their Characters?
Imagine a world where Marvel sold the rights to characters like Iron, Captain America, Thor and other miscellaneous heroes instead of their heavy hitters. Imagine if at the start of the MCU they had the rights to Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Wolverine, Hulk, other characters whose rights they sold prior to 2008
Finally, a version of this idea on video, and not over explained it that it makes me feel exhausted in the first few minutes. Thank you. 😂
Please make a part 2 and expand this even more love the video
I only didn't like that thor isn't a founder member, and could somehow put Ant-Man and wasp before avengers to make reference to the original formation from 60s. But anyway very nice
WE SERIOUSLY NEED MORE OF THIS!!!
2:55 william is tough to replace he's hell of a goblin if he was in amazing spider man that movie would have amazing
One change I wouls make to this universe is that since you had the first Spider-Man movie basically be Raimi's Spider-Man 1 but with the TASM cast, that means that Harry exists in this universe.
So I would have him take the place of Doc Ock in his subsequent appearances since Ock should already be dead, with Harry becoming New Goblin and killing Gwen in the 3rd movie and ultimately redeeming and sacrificing himself in Ultimate to save Peter from the Sinister Six.
10:10 "I think Peter's life is going a bit to well at this point"
Marvel Studios should be proud of you now
I had the idea that if Fox let Marvel use the Fantastic Four like Sony let them use Spider-Man, then Infinity War could have Sue tell Reed that she's pregnant and Reed is overjoyed. When Thanos snaps his fingers; Ben, Johnny, and Sue are turned to dust, with Reed being the only FF member left alive. Endgame would see him in a deep depression. More lonely and suicidal than Thor's mental and physical decline. He'd have grown a beard that he's sometimes shown with in the comics instead of his traditional clean-shaven look. He would be in Cap's group therapy session where we see how losing his family absolutely ruined him. He helps Tony figure out time travel (which would use the help of Wakandan Vibranium tech, leftover Pym Particles with Hank and Janet's shrink tech, Chitauri Energy Cores, and the imrpved Arc Reactor technology from Iron Man 2). He gets emotional seeing Tony's happy life with Pepper and Morgan and cries to himself after seeing what he almost had. Reed and Sue have a triumphant reunion in the final battle, similar to Hank finding Janet in the Quantum Realm in Ant-Man and the Wasp. Except this time it's more one-sided, as time seemingly never passed at all for Sue and she would comment on his new beard with confusion and he would just be so thankful to have her back. In the epilogue, we'd see the Four in a hospital room with a clean-shaven Reed holding his newborn son, Franklin, in his arms with tears of joy in his eyes. After so much pain in the past 5-6 years, he finally came out the other side a truly happy man.
I do think it would be interesting imagining how Spider-Man would confront the avengers about the Ultron situation. Obviously, they accidentally created a terminator, but even beyond that I don’t think would be fully cool with killing anyone. Maybe you could even plant the seeds of that in the first avengers movie where all the other avengers are perfectly fine turning the aliens into a pile of purple paste, but Spider-Man is the only one webbing them up and leaving them restrained but still alive.
I could see Spider-Man saying something like “Look Ultron is nuts, but he has a point. We have been escalating things. We’ve been taking things too far. Are we really the heroes that we think we are?”
Ms. Marvel should have her TV series but give her proper origin that is why I would to see an Inhuman Movie or show as well, White Tiger should also be seen in this version of the MCU. I think Squirrel Girl deserves a spot in this MCU too, cause I feel like she is underused in the Marvel Stuff.
Red Skull as an Avengers villain…thank you for mentioning that. I’m loving this video🤘
Great job man on making your version of the mcu with the movie rights it’s really good, especially with Spider-Man peter Parker and Mary Jane being married an having there daughter mayday Parker spider girl makes me so happy because I love that character she’s really awesome and badass in my opinion.
can you pleale make a part 2 you are so underrated you are so good at photoshop and this is one of my fav vids on your channel
do another vid for the multiverse saga please
this is amazing
Dude this is good …too good wait a minute are you a multiverse traveler?! Have you been to these worlds and that’s how you able to make these videos so good 🤯
Not bad , it’s like a revitalized version of your original version.
I’ve been brainstorming something similar, but in my version Hank Pym and Janet would be in the first avengers movie, the guardians & Thor would still have their movies. And Tom holland would still be Spider-Man but would mainly have his homemade suit ( and have a tie in tv series between films). Daredevil would still have a series but also two films and have a bigger role in the franchise ( same with the other defenders).
And Tom hollands Spider-Man would have 3 trilogies ( home trilogy , college trilogy , and adult trilogy ( inspired by the insomniac games)).
would like the big team up movies to just be called ultimate alliance or something like that since there’s more teams than just the avengers idk
1:28 big hero 6 is crazy
I like to imagine how would be the cast of F4 and X-Men if they were in the MCU since 2010 probably:
F4: Billy Crudup, Naomi Watts, Chace Crawford and Liev Chreiber
X-Men: Prof X - Timothy Dalton
Magneto - Jeremy Irons
Wolverine - Jon Bernthal
Cyclops - Robert Pattinson
Jean Grey - Elizabeth Olsen
(Lazy to do rest lol)
At 24:27, gambit vanishing made me quadruple take 😂😂😂
I hope this gets a part 2 this time
Hey im first!!! Great vid as always! i love how youre updating your old vids. can you update youre x men cinematic universe please?
I love that u inclued big hero 6, I really wish Doomsday & secret wars inclueds big hero 6 in some way
i have a question man (awesome vid as per usual btw), so until 2008 what marvel or even dc movies WOULD we have by then? i can't imagine every marvel movie pre 2008 not existing it's too surreal for me😢.
Can you do if the mcu had the X-men universe structure
Really awesome timeline and great vid well done :). And also if I were to write the mcu in the exact same situation in this vid with all the characters and starting at the same year, I would have the avengers be set up as the government’s response to the x men. Non mutant hero team with the secret purpose of protecting America from a mutant rebellion.
I think we should add Ms. Marvel, Inhumans, Squirrel Girl and White Tiger (Ava Ayala) in the next saga
loved this re done version of the original video and I'd love to see a part 2 about phase 4-6 with all the rights
I found this channel via your old videos and was getting bothered by how you always stick with the MCU’s formula. Great to see you doing something different for a change.
I’m sorry but to me it would be much thematically stronger if after Infinity War Sue Richards is left pregnant with their daughter and taking care of Franklin after the blip with Reed disappearing instead. Reed in the comics loves his family but has a hard time showing it explicitly because he is always thinking about too many things at once. Having a five year distance between him and his kids would be much more of a heavy loss and setup another film or even a mini series with them where he tries to rekindle the dynamics in a more family oriented adventure, also it could have introduced Namor trying to get with Sue and her questioning her own wants and needs but ultimately reaffirming her love for Reed.
Please make a part two to this! I think in this alternate scenario, a multiverse saga seems unlikely. So what would they do instead for Phases 4-6?
Maybe a saga for Galactus, Dr doom, or the Masters of Evil
Cosmic saga would be good, and a doctor doom saga.
As for changes, just drop known hero buildings in the background of all the movies. Then for the first battle VS Loki include more big names. Also silver surfer should have used more heroes. Maybe more in one of the xmen films. I would keep us with subtle back ground changes. Civil War would be a huge change up too.
This was a fun video! I really like seeing how people tweak these to include other heroes and characters. Some changes I would make, personally (nitpicks really but the concept is super fun):
- I think Fantastic Four should be the first characters in the timeline. Now, in both Ultimate Universes this isn’t the case (in the new one they are dead), but I really think Marvel’s first family that started most of what we know of the Marvel timeline in 1961 I believe it was should be honored by starting our universe. I think Spider-Man should not introduced until the epilogue of Phase 1, as I really like homecoming being a reaction to the first pivotal event of our heroes. Also Vulture works as a first villain better than Green Goblin in my personal opinion but to each their own!
I like the idea of you swapping out different heroes for Hawkeye and Black Widow, I would do that also! I remember as a kid thinking Black Widow and Hawkeye weren’t as cool in Avengers because they didn’t have their own solo projects, but as an adult I think that’s wrong. I think Iron Man, Captain America, and Hulk should be inducted to the Avengers but maybe Fury says he’s already been recruiting and we see Thor, Giant-Man, and Wasp. Giant-Man and Wasp are key founding members to the OG Avengers and Janet is leader of the Avengers for a while so I think that should be the case. Also if we are doing an accurate Ultron that isn’t funny and has Hank Pyms seriousness, he’s also important. But I think Wanda and Quicksilver should definitely appear as well.
I was really surprised with Doom around that you didn’t shelve Thanos to do him first since he’s more grounded and needs less cosmic characters!